Col. Douglas MacGregor argues invoking the Insurrection Act could federalize L.A.’s anti-ICE riots, deploying troops to suppress property destruction and enforce mass deportations of 50M undocumented immigrants—30M arriving under Biden—citing Hoover’s 1929 Mexican deportations as precedent. He accuses elites like Soros-backed groups of funding nationwide insurrections, warns treason may apply to riot organizers, and blames Senate figures (Lindsey Graham, Richard Blumenthal) for violating the Logan Act by undermining Trump’s Ukraine peace deals while exposing CIA’s covert operations and FBI’s hidden "Russian collusion" files. MacGregor demands halting Ukraine aid, withdrawing U.S. forces, and ending the war to stop civilian deaths, framing it as the only solution to prevent further chaos. [Automatically generated summary]
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Welcome back to the Stone Zone.
Joining me now is a former U.S. Army Colonel retired, a combat veteran, former top advisor to the Secretary of Defense.
Douglas McGregor is a, as I say, a decorated combat veteran, an author of five books, a Ph.D., and an expert in both defense and foreign policy matters.
He is the geopolitical strategic thinker that I admire the most.
He's very famous within our military because in the Battle of 73 Easting, he led the U.S. Army's largest tank attack since World War II, and also for his groundbreaking books on military transformation.
We're honored to have Colonel Douglas McGregor with us today in the Stone Zone.
Colonel McGregor, welcome.
Thanks, Roger.
Glad to be with you.
So yesterday I noticed that you called on President Donald Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act in response to the anti-ICE riots in Los Angeles.
Can you tell us what additional police powers the president would gain by invoking the Insurrection Act and why you believe he should do so?
Hey, thanks for asking.
This is an important question, and I thought I should be urging the president to act because I was afraid that too many other people in his inner circle would urge him to do nothing.
I'm concerned, and I think the president needs to be concerned because the Insurrection Act gives him federal power that he otherwise doesn't have.
Nowhere in the Constitution of the United States will you find the words martial law.
The president does not have the authority to establish martial law.
Some governors do and local military commanders can, but the president does not.
But the Insurrection Act, it was passed in 1807 at Thomas Jefferson's urging, gives him the power to federalize local militia, National Guard, local police, as well as to bring in federal troops, that is, regular Army and Marines, in the event that certain conditions came to be met.
And those conditions involved outright contempt for authority, destruction of private property, threats to the bodily harm to not only the agents of the local government and police, but to federal officers and to the population at large.
And what we're seeing now in Los Angeles suggests that this is very, very serious, much more serious than most people realize.
If you're just tuning in, we're talking to Colonel Douglas McGregor, pardon me.
He's the CEO of Our Country, Our Choice.
You can find him at ourcountry, ourchoice.com.
He's also written a number of excellent books on military strategy and history.
Colonel McGregor Spent a year at VMI, four years at West Point, and retired with the rank of colonel.
He served in the Trump administration as a top advisor to the Secretary of Defense, and he has been outspoken in his opposition to a strike on Iran.
In fact, Colonel McGregor, your oration on that is so good.
We've played it several times here on the show.
You've called for the president to now bring back all U.S. ground troops from overseas and employ them inside America to restore the rule of law and to help execute these mass deportations.
It was on this show I recall you saying that the Army should be utilized in the deportation operation.
How do you see an operation of that size unfolding?
And how many million illegals do you think we actually need to deport?
Well, the true estimates, not necessarily the ones that are locally admitted to, and certainly not by people on the Hill, but the true estimates are that we have about 50 million people inside the United States who are illegally here.
In other words, they broke the laws in order to enter the country.
Of that number, almost 30 million came in under President Biden when he effectively opened the borders and essentially suspended the rule of law, letting these people in without any betting or any prior examination of any kind.
Now, historically, we have been through deportations before.
In 1929, after the stock market crash, President Herbert Hoover signed an executive order that resulted in the deportation of 9 million Mexicans.
Now, why did he do that?
Because he wisely concluded that they had jobs that Americans under normal circumstances might not do.
But with the onset of the Depression, Americans would be desperate for ways to make money.
And what he didn't want was a war inside the United States between American citizens and non-citizens doing jobs Americans needed.
Franklin Roosevelt deported another 3.5 million.
Harry Truman deported another 2.2 million.
And Eisenhower ultimately deported somewhere between 1.2 and 1.4 million.
Now, in every case, these people were deported because they were not legally in the country, but they were also deported because they held down jobs that Americans needed.
The United States Army was involved in all of those deportations to a greater or lesser extent.
Why would the United States Army, that is the regular Army, be involved?
Because they can mobilize the transportation assets.
They can ensure the professional conduct of the deportations.
And they can protect the citizens that are being deported from each other as well as from Americans and protect Americans from them.
So this is a natural thing for the Army to do.
And by the way, the Marines as a regular element of the ground force have also been involved in these things.
But when you look at the numbers that are involved, it's going to take a force the size of both the Marines and the Army to get the job done.
Brilliant thinking in which I completely agree.
What I see here, Colonel McGregor, and I think you agree with this, is this is the precursor to a rerun of what we saw in 2020, where these so-called riots, which are really planned, orchestrated insurrections, very well funded, very well planned, will break out across the country, Chicago being after Minneapolis, Chicago and Los Angeles being two of the worst examples.
In that instance, President Trump unfortunately listened to advisors who told him to let the governors decide about the use of the National Guard.
And I think it is a decision that he regrets.
It's also clearly a decision that he's not going to make again.
I wondered if you had seen the advertising for the so-called No Kings protests planned for this weekend.
The No Kings protest is backed by a number of radical left organizations, including one funded by George Soros.
Are we about to see a replay of 2020?
Yes, I think we're at the beginning of this process.
I think we're going to see this stretch to the balance of the summer and into the fall.
First of all, let's get something straight right up front.
So important that you brought this up.
We have discovered cell phones found in the possession of people that participated in the riots and the destruction of private property, the attacks on police officers in Los Angeles.
They've traced these cell phones back to people in Bel Air, Beverly Hills, and other wealthy neighborhoods, all the way back to Manhattan and New York City.
In other words, we know within a reasonable distance just who is ultimately funding all of this, because none of this would happen without copious amounts of money.
We've got people on film passing out extremely expensive biohazard masks to people, as well as cell phones.
And also, as we saw before, as you pointed out in 2020, large numbers of bricks and stones and other things showing up.
I think before long, we'll also see weapons confiscated.
The point is that you're 100% right.
These are well orchestrated, well-funded.
That man that Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, mentioned as having been found, who was throwing bricks at police cars, he's the tip of a proverbial iceberg.
Any number of people can be bought, put on the street, and told, hey, throw rocks at the police.
That's not problematic.
The people that we should be going after are the people funding these things.
And if you apply the Insurrection Act, then you can begin to prosecute people for treason, people who are rebelling against lawful, legitimate federal authority.
And that needs to happen.
We have to come down hard on this.
If we don't, it will metastasize and become much worse.
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That's an excellent point you make, that those who had the, if the Insurrection Act is enacted, could be charged with treason if they're involved in the planning and orchestration of this.
This is something I would have to believe the FBI under Cash Protection could very quickly get to the bottom of.
We've already seen substantial evidence just from watching the videos online.
This is the great thing about the internet.
You can have Corey Booker telling us that the protests in California are mostly peaceful.
And then in the very next minute, you can see protesters dropping concrete, chunks of concrete onto moving ICE vehicles in an overpass.
In one case, crashing through the windshield and injuring one of the officers.
This is an all-out insurrection.
Let me jump across the globe here for a moment, if I will, because it's another subject on which you have always been extraordinarily correct.
Russia and Ukraine have now met twice in Turkey.
The only thing that has emerged from those discussions was a large prisoner exchange.
Do you see us any closer to getting a peace deal pertaining to Russia and Ukraine?
Unfortunately, Roger, I don't.
And I think that President Trump has been sabotaged by people in the Senate and in the House, individuals who are desperate to keep this war going for any number of reasons.
A good example is this Representative McCall from Texas.
Other examples include Lindsey Graham and Richard Blumenthal.
The President of the United States has explicitly stated his desire to have peace in Ukraine, and these individuals have stepped forward and said, we want nothing to do with peace.
Our goal is to destroy Russia.
President Trump has made it very clear he's not interested in destroying Russia or harming Russia, nor should he be.
But I think the only solution at this point is one we've discussed before, and that's for the president to simply end any further aid.
He's the chief executive.
He has authority.
He can stop the aid, and then he can direct that all American citizens in or out of uniform, in intelligence capacities or any capacity whatsoever in Ukraine, leave Ukraine.
When he does that, the Ukrainian regime is finished because the Europeans can't provide the equipment, the cash, or anything else to keep this going.
And that's the quickest way to end the killing because the Russians are now stuck.
Since they're dealing with this madman, Zelensky, who's determined to fight to the last Ukrainian, they have to fight, even if it requires them to kill the last Ukrainian.
That's something they don't want to do.
It's something we shouldn't want anybody to do.
So the president needs to be the leader he is and simply say, that's it.
Everybody out.
This stops now.
I suggested that if, I said, if Senators Lindsey Graham and the Vietnam War hero Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut met privately with Zelensky and urged him not to make a peace deal with Donald Trump, they would be in violation of the Logan Act.
There is no immunity for U.S. senators on that law.
Now, I didn't say they did it.
I said if they did it.
We don't know if they did it, but they certainly undermined the United States.
It's also abundantly clear that President Trump was not informed of the Ukrainian attack on the Russian airfield in which a number of their bombers, their weapons were destroyed.
So the Iranian, pardon me, the Ukrainians are not operating in good faith.
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Let's see, our country.
Well, there we go.
Anyway, we'll be right back with more of Colonel McGregor.
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We were talking about the Russian and Ukrainian conflict.
I was reading these chilling stories about conscriptions in Ukraine, where 14-year-olds, 12-year-olds are being essentially kidnapped on the streets to be put into military service.
Are the Ukrainians running out of men?
I think they're running out of manpower because most of the manpower that would have otherwise been available has left the country.
And the other thing is that there are now gangs active inside Ukraine that are arming themselves to fight off these press gangs from the Ukrainian government.
The population of Ukraine has had it with this war.
It wants an end to it.
So we know the government is no longer legitimate.
When that sort of thing happens, it's over.
But you know, Roger, you said something that's very important that people need to know.
Every day, the president is inundated with huge quantities of information.
Neither you nor I were there.
Neither of us could be absolutely certain what President Trump was told.
But the Central Intelligence Agency provides him with a briefing whenever he wants it, and usually on a daily basis.
It's the obligation of the director of the CIA to make known to him the intention of a covert operation in a place like Russia as a result of that Ukraine-Russia war.
I don't know what Radcliffe is doing, but that's his job.
Obviously, he failed to tell the president, this is what's being planned.
If this happens, these are the implications.
That's his job, Roger.
Well, we know on two instances.
The president himself, in an interview, learns for the first time about an assassination attempt on Putin, that they had an attack on Putin's helicopter.
We heard it from his own mouth.
He didn't know that.
He wasn't aware of that, which means he was never told that.
And then the White House put out a statement in the wake of Senator Lindsey Graham and Senator Blumenthal's sit-down with Zelensky saying specifically that the president was not informed in advance of the unprecedented Ukrainian attack on the Russian airfields.
So those seem to me to be two failures of his own CIA.
You're absolutely right.
And you know from your own experience in Washington, every president since Harry Truman has had difficulties with the Central Intelligence Agency.
And you've got to have someone in the agency who reports to you, who keeps you informed.
You have to have someone looking out for your interests as president of the United States.
And that's obviously not being done.
Well, we see similar problems at the FBI.
We're now just learning that the FBI had an enormous tranche of Russian collusion hoax documents hidden within their computer system at an inaccessible location where neither Special Counsel John Durham nor the Inspector General of the Department of Justice could get them.
Perhaps that would explain why his report was, the report of John Durham, missed so many key things.
I have a very high regard for Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence.
Anytime you get attacked by John Brennan, that's a badge of honor.
He said he was appalled, appalled by the intelligence professionals that she was firing, that she was firing because they're not loyal to President Trump or to his agenda.
She also referred a number of them to the Department of Justice for Prosecution for leaking.
She's kept a relatively low profile, but I think she's endeavoring to fix the problem you describe.
And I frankly think she has the gumption and the experience to do so.
Leadership Thread with Dr. Peggy Polonis00:01:51
I'm afraid we have to wrap it up there.
I want to thank our guest, Colonel Douglas McGregor.
You can follow him by going to ourcountryourchoice.com, ourcountryourchoice.com.
He always brings it, so I wanted to have him on the show.
I completely agree with your assertion regarding what the president must do.
He must enact the Insurrection Act immediately to give him the power to deal with what is coming, a nationwide insurrection planned with the assistance, I think, of enemies both foreign and domestic.
Thank you for joining us today in the Stone Zone.
Thanks again to Colonel McGregor for joining us until tomorrow.
God bless you and Godspeed.
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