Lawrence Schnapf’s episode exposes the JFK assassination cover-up, with Roger Stone and attorney Larry Schneff dissecting Lyndon Johnson’s early resistance to a full investigation—dismissing it as a "shoot and scrape"—while Biden’s 2025 executive order ignores critical files like George Joanides’ CIA-linked records and Carlos Marcello’s alleged confession. Missing evidence, including the lost Oliver Nix film and NBC’s unreleased Oswald footage, fuels skepticism of the Warren Commission’s single-bullet theory, as Parkland Hospital doctors reported conflicting head wounds. FBI intimidation, Specter’s coercive tactics, and Ruby’s mob ties deepen doubts, with Schneff arguing suppressed autopsy inconsistencies and paraffin test failures point to a broader conspiracy beyond Lee Harvey Oswald. Congresswoman Luna’s task force hearing aims to declassify the truth, but sealed tapes—like Manchester’s Jackie/O’Donnell interviews—remain locked until 2067. [Automatically generated summary]
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There was a hearing today on the U.S. House Task Force on declassification of the documents pertaining to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, ably chaired by Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna.
Shortly after JFK was murdered, the new president Lyndon Johnson actually resisted the idea of a national commission to investigate Kennedy's murder.
He initially wanted a Texas state commission.
He wanted Supreme Court Justice Tom Clark, who was a crony of his, to chair it.
Listen to LBJ's conversation with J. Edgar Hoover.
Here's President Johnson talking to Hoover on Monday the 25th about how to proceed with the investigation.
Two things.
Apparently, some lawyer injustice is lobbying with the Post because that's where the suggestion came from for this presidential commission, which we think would be very bad.
Looked right in the White House.
We can't be checking up on every shoot and scrape in the country.
But they've gone to the Post now to get them an editorial.
The Post is calling up and saying they're going to run it out of Joe if we don't do things.
President Johnson's plan was to have two simultaneous but coordinated investigations by Hoover's FBI and the Texas Attorney General, Wagoner Carr.
Johnson was absolutely against appointing a presidential committee.
It's hard to not be taken aback by Johnson referring to the assassination of his predecessor just three days earlier as a shooting scrape.
We can't be checking up on every shoot and scrape in the country.
Johnson's point was that he didn't want to involve the White House in the investigation, but the way he talks about it is perhaps a window into what he really thought about President Kennedy.
I find that shocking.
Larry Schnepp, welcome.
Larry Schneff is, as I say, an attorney, adjunct professor of New York Law School, one of the leading researchers and experts on the Kennedy assassination and the effort to learn more about it through greater transparency.
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Hi, Roger.
So, listen, it was your letter that first brought my attention to the fact that the president's order, while extremely well-intentioned, was probably actually too narrowly written.
It really suggests that the National Archives release everything in the John F. Kennedy assassination records collection, but the federal government has a lot more documents than that, and there are many important things missing.
Tell us about that, and then tell us about today's hearing.
Okay, well, the president's executive memo, I believe that they didn't realize what they were writing because it did say that he didn't say the president made a finding that it was in the public interest, which is the terminology used in the statute, the JFK records assassination statute, that it was the public interest that all of the records in the possession of the federal government be released.
Now, the way the order was then written, it looked like he was referring to the records that were in the collection that is maintained by the National Archives.
Back in the 90s, the Records Review Board basically got all the records from the agencies, and then they were transferred to the National Archives.
But when the Review Board went out of business in 1998, their work wasn't done.
Congress has just decided it wasn't going to fund them anymore.
And there were outstanding search requests.
So what I've been trying to do is to try to alert the people that were tasked by the executive order to comply with it, that we're not just talking about the records that are in the collection that are classified.
We're talking about the records that were never put in the collection.
So, for example, we have the Joe Anites files.
George Joanides was a covert agent for the CIA.
He was responsible for the Cuban exile group, the DRE.
They're the ones that their representatives came in contact with Oswald in August of 63 when they had the street fight.
And then they're the ones that came out with Oswald's biography within hours of the assassination.
So they knew all about him, but those files were never turned over to the review board.
The review board and the HSCA were misled.
In fact, George Joanedes, as we learn today, most people learn today for the first time, he was the one tasked by the CIA to work with the House Assassinations Committee.
And when he got involved, suddenly the amount of records that were being given to the HSCA was slowed down, slow-walked, redacted, and basically they did the same thing they did to the HSCA and to the review board that they did to the Warrant Commission, which was to run the clock out on them.
So there are other records that are also not in the collection.
For example, Carlos Marcelo allegedly confessed while in jail to his cellmate who had been an undercover agent for the FBI that he was behind the assassination, or at least maybe funded it.
Those tapes are sealed.
They've never been given the light of day.
They're not in the collection.
And we've asked the Attorney General Pam Bondi to get those because she can get them unsealed.
There are records that Robert Kennedy took from the White House in the hours after the assassination that were never turned over to the review board or the archives.
They are supposedly going through declassification review, but it's been going on forever.
The review board was trying to get them when they went on the business, and that process came to a halt.
And they may have some really important stuff because these are files from the White House and that Bobby Kennedy was involved.
There are also other records like William Manchester had tape recordings of interviews with Jackie Kennedy and Robert Kennedy that were supposedly very explosive, particularly with Jackie Kennedy allegedly saying things about Lyndon Johnson.
Those records, those tapes were sealed by a deed of gift from the Kennedy family, or at least a settlement, until 2067.
The ARB tried to, the review board tried to get them released in the 90s, and Carolyn Kennedy was on the verge of doing it, and then her uncle Ted said, I don't think your mother would want to do it.
And then they've been shut down.
And NBC has some films that could possibly show that Oswald was on the front steps of the depository building at the time of the shooting.
Not sure, but at least they could be studied.
And then Walter Sheridan, who was a right-hand man of Bobby Kennedy, did his own investigation for Bobby.
The review board asked for those records.
And once again, he basically sent them over to NBC.
And NBC has been with Holinem all these years.
The ARB actually sued to get them, but they went out of business.
So there's a bunch of records out there that haven't been given to the National Archives yet.
So we need not only just to release the records in the collection, but also those that are not in the collection yet.
And despite what the Democratic witness today said, a lot of interesting and important stuff came out today.
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That was a great compendium, and I learned almost everything you just said from you.
And I was pleased to pass that on to Chairwoman Anna Paulina Luna.
What do you make of the so-called Oliver Orville Nix film?
Nix was an air condition repairman filming with his own 8-millimeter camera.
There's some evidence that the Assassination Records Review Board viewed all or portions of his film.
That film seems to be missing, no?
Yeah, so apparently he gave it over to the government.
The HSCA supposedly had it.
The House Select Assassinations Committee supposedly had it.
They sent it out to get analyzed, and somewhere along the line, it disappeared.
And so the NICS family has tried to get it back.
They're actually in litigation right now.
They sued the government.
The government made a motion to dismiss, to dismiss the lawsuit.
And actually, the Nix family has survived the motion to dismiss.
Now, this is for, obviously, they would prefer to get the film back, but if they don't get the film back, they'll get damages for having lost it.
But this is a very important film because it's the flip side of the Zabruta film.
He was on the other side of Kennedy and closer.
Well, at least they had a close-up.
It was on a close-up.
But this film is equally as important as a Zabruta film because it's the flip side.
So, like, when Zabruta is blocked by the traffic sign, well, Nick's film isn't blocked by that because they're on the opposite side.
He's on the infield there.
So, and they just learned this past week, apparently, that when the Nix family negotiated some sort of release with the Sixth Floor, that the attorney representing the Nix family was also representing the Sixth Floor Museum.
So, there's a little conflict of interest there.
But that's definitely a film that is really important, and it famously, at least allegedly, disappeared while it was in the hands somewhere between the laboratory that was analyzing it and the House Look Assassinations Committee.
When I wrote my book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ, I actually got Arlen Spector, who was chief counsel to the Warren Commission, to admit that the Zaproter film was missing frames and that it was not as it appeared.
Nick's film seems to be because he was filming with a Zoom lens.
I think you're right, could answer the age-old question as to whether President Kennedy was shot from the front and the back.
It's interesting to me that Paramount has recently come out with a documentary called What the Parkland Doctors Saw.
Multiple doctors say in that stunning documentary that they saw wounds in JFK consistent with his being shot from the front and the back, but most importantly, two things: that several doctors say that the wound in his throat was not an exit wound, it was an entry wound from the front.
And secondarily, that they were all threatened by the FBI not to discuss anything they had seen in the room where the autopsy was performed.
To me, when you add that to the fact that we know definitively that Lee Harvey Oswald had been subject to a paraffin test by the Dallas Police Department, which did not indicate that he had any nitrep burns, no powder burns on his chest, his arms, his hands, or his cheeks indicating that he did not fire a weapon that day.
Perhaps this is why he says when he it's very unlikely they tried him out in public and he says, What?
I am a patsy.
I didn't shoot anyone.
That appears to be telling the truth.
The Warren Commission, of course, telling us that Jack Ruby had no known association with organized crime, which is another fallacy.
He was a button man for the mob in Chicago.
He worked for Carlos Marcelo in Cuba.
Yet another one of the many, many falsehoods put forward in this continuing effort.
Larry, have you seen anything in the disclosure so far that would indicate a larger conspiracy beyond Lee Harvey Oswald definitively?
Dr. Curtis at the Head00:05:39
Well, no one is going to be putting anything in writing that here's how we're going to kill the president.
But so, you know, but we're getting like the records are like mosaics or pieces in a puzzle.
And so as you get the puzzle together, it begins creating a picture.
But I want to go back to what you said about the doctors because today's testimony, Dr. Donald Teal Curtis, testified today.
He is a very important witness for two things.
Number one, he was the third person in the room when the president was brought into the trauma room.
And he did a cut down on the left leg, but he made some observations about what happened in the ER that demonstrates that when people see the Parkland movie or read the testimony of the Parkland doctors, the supporters of the Warren Commission say, well, they were too busy taking care of the president.
They didn't get a chance to look at his wound.
What Dr. Curtis said today, and he told me this a couple years ago, and I'm glad he was able to do it today, is that after Dr. Clark pronounced the president dead, Dr. Clark was the neurosurgeon.
He was at the head of the gurney.
He lifted up the president's head and then explained to the other senior doctors, the heads of the different departments who were there against the wall.
They weren't treating the doctor, but they weren't treating the president.
He wanted to explain to them why he was pronouncing, why he pronounced the president dead.
He showed them the wound and described the wound.
So the idea that the Parkland doctors made a mistake when they said that the rear of the head was a blowout wound is just not true.
So Dr. Curtis served that purpose today.
He also goes into great detail about how Arlen Specter intimidated him and the other doctors.
And if you have time, I can go through what they did.
When we come right back with Larry Schnapp, we're going to talk about that.
I knew Arlen Specter.
He could be very, very intimidating.
We'll be right back.
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And we're back in the Stone Zone.
We're talking to Lawrence Schnaff.
He's an attorney and one of the most prominent figures in the country in the ongoing efforts to declassify and release government documents relating to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
Larry has sued the Biden administration and the National Archives several times because he believes that full disclosure of these documents is vital to understanding the events surrounding the assassination and to address the learning questions and conspiracy theories.
We're very happy to have him today.
When we left off, you were talking about Arlen Specter, who I knew extremely well, actually ran his campaign for the U.S. Senate in Pennsylvania, had many vigorous arguments over his Kakamimi single-bullet theory, logistically impossible, by the way, over cocktails.
But you were talking about his intimidating the Parkland doctors.
Lay it on us.
Okay.
Well, first, before I get to that, one thing I want to mention, Dr. Curtis also said, was that his supervisor, Dr. Walker, when he saw him the Monday after the assassination, they talked about what they had seen in the ER.
And Dr. Walker had told Dr. Curtis that he had saw a temple wound in the right temple.
And that Dr. Ronald Jones had told him that another doctor, Dr. Leto Porto, had actually put his pinky into the wound.
So there were several doctors who saw evidence of a frontal head wound.
And that has been covered up and glossed over.
Anyway, going to the Art Inspector.
So the first thing, when Earl Warren decides how to conduct the investigation, he instructs all the lawyers that the preliminary interviews are to be not recorded.
This was a way that they can basically find out who the good witnesses were and the bad witnesses were.
And then once they do get, they find out, you know, they can select the good ones.
And then when they would go interview them, they would go off the record if the witness went off off the reservation.
And there are other tools and ways of intimidating the witnesses.
One of them also was a perjury trap where the FBI, for example, would take testimony down on the 302 forms, and then they would change, they would alter the testimony and ask the person to sign the form and say, well, if you, and they would object to the statement and say, well, you know, lying to a federal officer is a felony.
So if, you know, if you're, this is the statement you gave, if you're telling us now the statement that's on paper is wrong, you're potentially going to be liable for felony.
You know the drill, Roger.
Modern Medical Mystery00:02:23
Yes, indeed.
Yes, unfortunately, I certainly do.
Well, as you know, Warren, Earl Warren, the Chief Justice, did not want to chair this commission.
He was trying to get out of it until Lyndon Johnson implied to him that the Russians had been involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy and that it was Earl Warren's duty to chair the commission in order to avoid World War III.
Of course, we've seen no evidence whatsoever that the Russians or the Cubans, the Cuban government, was involved in the murder of John F. Kennedy.
This is a modern mystery, murder mystery in which the American people are still extraordinarily, I think, intrigued.
I give huge credit to Anna Paulina Lunda, the congresswoman from Florida, chairing this task force, and also to you, Larry.
You've been helpful to the committee with your knowledge.
I appreciate your joining us today in the Stone Zone.
Many, many thanks to you for joining us and for our listeners out there.
Until we meet again, and we're going to continue to cover this Kennedy assassination story because I think there are more twists and turns from the committee.
Until we meet again, God bless you and Godspeed.
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Each year, America's over 5,000 hospitals care for millions of patients, providing 24-7 emergency care, delivering babies, cancer treatments, and other life-saving care that patients rely on.
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They employ our neighbors and keep our families healthy.
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