The Stone Zone dissects Canada’s chaotic election, where Liberal Mark Carney ousted Conservative Pierre Polyev—who lost his own seat (46.1% to 50.6%)—amid media narratives favoring Carney over U.S. trade tensions and CBC bias, while Trump’s Treasury pushes China on tariffs and negotiates with Iran in Oman. Roger Stone debunks Virginia Jaffrey’s suspicious death, demands Epstein’s client list, and slams DOJ censorship, then targets Wisconsin’s Judge Isham’s ICE defiance and Michigan’s failed Trump impeachment. He exposes AI-driven Reddit manipulation, Letitia James’ alleged fraud, and ActBlue’s role in campaign finance shenanigans, ending with a dare to her: prove your case on air. [Automatically generated summary]
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Well, the Canadian federal election has been called for Liberal leader Mark Carney, who will be re-elected as Prime Minister of Canada, securing another term for the Liberal Party after their campaign against Conservative leader Pierre Covert.
It's not clear whether the Liberals will form a minority or a majority government.
The election comes at a critical moment for Canada, with voters weighing issues such as a stagnant economy, out-of-control immigration, and national security.
Carney's victory bring the Liberals back from the dead.
And I expect we will see the continuation of Liberal policies.
Here to help us analyze and break it down.
Stockwell Day joins me.
He has been on the forefront of public policy development at the federal, provincial, and municipal levels of government in Canada.
He has served as a member of the Alberta legislature, a member of the parliament, a high-profile provincial and federal cabinet minister, and Canada's leader of Her Majesty's official opposition.
Stockwell, welcome on this very sad day.
Good to be with you, Roger and your listeners.
So the Conservatives had a strong lead in early polling.
A lot of it had to do with the deep unpopularity of Justin Trudeau.
This comes as a little bit of a surprise to some.
How do you think, how did this happen?
Well, it's a great question, and it's been a whirlwind of polling and ups and downs.
Up until about two or three months ago, Justin Trudeau as prime minister was declining in popularity, mainly because of the very effective opposition leading of Pierre Polyev, who was leader of the opposition at the time.
And everybody was assuming that this was going to be, even up to a couple months ago, a big majority conservative win.
Unfortunately, Polyev's was so effective as opposition leader that Trudeau kept going down on the polls to the place where his party basically punted him out.
They brought in a new person who is known internationally, an international banker.
And with the combination of that and the tariff wars and also President Trump seeing Canada as a 51st state, that threw panic mode into everybody, including the national media.
And national media ran stories for a couple of months suggesting that Mr. Carney would be a better fit as prime minister to fight the tariffs than Pierre Polyev, which was wrong in my estimation.
But that caused the polls to radically turn around.
Actually, up until about a week ago, all the polls were then saying it was going to be a liberal majority, but Pierre Polyev and the Conservatives started clawing their way back, but not enough to stop the Liberals getting what we call a minority government.
I mean, this election went so poorly for the Conservatives that the Canadian Conservative Party leader, Pierre Polyev, lost his own seat in Monday's elections.
He received only 46.1% of the vote for his own seat, was defeated by Liberal Bruce Fanjoy, who won with 50.6% of the vote.
I actually thought he was an excellent candidate, an excellent communicator.
You may recall, last time you were with us, we played that great audio of him answering questions while chomping on an apple from a smartass reporter.
I was very surprised at this turn of events.
Do you think that President Trump's trolling of Pierre Trudeau, talking about Canada being the 51st state, which was always a joke, and talking about Trudeau being governor of Canada, which was also always a joke?
Do you think that was detrimental to the Conservatives?
It was probably the, it's a great question.
It was probably the single most detrimental hit because Canadians, quite rightly, are quite sensitive about being seen as a 51st state.
We've always been a key ally of the U.S. and ally being our closest friend as far as miles go.
And to be suddenly caricatured as a 51st state, most Canadians found that offensive.
And they saw in Mr. Carney the ability because he sort of sold the message that because he'd been a globalist banker and head of the Bank of Canada at one point, head of the Bank of England at another point, that he would be better suited.
That's obviously not a view that a lot of people share.
But yeah, that portraying Canada as a 51st state became a rally cry for the Liberals.
Now, Pierre Polyev was also very much against that thought also.
But mainstream media, which generally tracks to the left, saw an opportunity here to get behind Mr. Carney, and that's what happened.
I also think that the kind of censorship that we had here prior to the 2020 election, and that has changed dramatically between 20 and 24, largely because Elon Musk purchased Twitter, renaming it X, and ultimately you had more of a balance, not completely,
because Facebook and Instagram are still very, very heavily censored.
But I think you have a much greater degree of censorship, both of the mainstream media, but also virtually no alternative media other than rebel media.
Hard for me to name a center-right alternative outlet in the entire country.
Yeah, that's true.
Those have been ascending.
I don't like to use the word alternate media, but let's say free and independent media.
There's the Western Standard, there's Juno News.
There are some upcoming ones.
Interestingly, some of the previous reporters from those particular news organizations actually wound up getting elected this time as members of parliament.
But there is a little different type of censorship in Canada.
If you speak out of the collective narrative, your chance of being even canceled in terms of things you're involved in or portrayed as somebody who's way off to the right somewhere, that occurs in a different way in Canada.
But it's very clear.
It's very pronounced.
And I do think now, I mean, one of the election items was, would the CBC, that's the Canada Broadcasting Corporation, continue to receive hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer dollars.
That was very much at stake.
And so there's a strong feeling that the CBC, of course, and other so-called mainstream media, if the Conservatives won, that those mainstream media would lose those valuable taxpayer dollars.
And so the media definitely had a stake in this particular election.
And to many of us, that was obvious in how they did their reporting, which always presented a somewhat soft picture of Mr. Carney and a somewhat harsh picture of Mr. Polyev.
Interesting that Mr. Carney did not seem to suffer from his very public relationship with Grizelne Maxwell, who assists right now in a federal prison, having served essentially as the pimp for Jeffrey Epstein.
Also interesting to me that many Americans do not understand how much more authoritarian society in Canada is compared to the United States.
An effort, for example, if you own a firearm, the government wants you to register its existence with the government.
Why could they possibly want to know that?
And then many of my friends who took part in the convoy, the truck convoy, to protest the demands of the government that they take the COVID-19 vaccination found their bank accounts frozen.
Some of them were charged in what I think were politically motivated prosecutions.
Justin Trudeau was moving very swiftly in an authoritarian direction, no?
Well, that's correct.
Canada's history, the DNA of Canada is one that is much more, what should we say, accepting, going back 150 years or more, of the crown, the king, the queen from England.
And there's a large group, a large influence in Canada called the United Empire Loyalists that when the opportunity, they were living among the colonies at the time, when the opportunity came to take on the king and fight the king, as happened in the colonies, hundreds, if not thousands and thousands, moved to the north to what became Canada.
So there is that strong DNA within Canadian thinking and culture that is much more deferential to authority.
We can argue whether that's good or bad, and not quite as offended about things like higher taxation.
My own family roots go deep, and though my ancestors were part of the original colonies, my mother's side of the family moved north.
She was one of the United Empire loyalists.
My father's side of the family stayed in the U.S. to fight the king, to fight authoritarian control, and to fight high taxation.
So I myself, you know, I'm a product of that bi-partisan nature, you could say, or binary nature of Canada.
And when you have a media, mainstream media, which is, again, more deferential to certain elements of authority, then that gets exacerbated at times like this.
And you'll see that side of Canadian character kind of rising to the fore a little more than the revolutionary side.
All right, we're going to leave it there.
I want to thank our guest, Stockwell Day, a distinguished public servant in his home country of Canada, actually served as the not only in Alberta's cabinet, but also held a series of senior roles, including chief whip, government house leader, minister of labor, and minister of social services.
I thank you very much for joining us today with this excellent analysis of the Canadian elections.
We are disappointed, but Canada will survive.
Thank you, Roger.
Good to do with you.
Meanwhile, folks, Scott Besson, who I think could be the single greatest Secretary of the Treasury since Alexander Hamilton, had a terrific press conference yesterday.
Let's listen to Scott Besson.
The goal here is to bring back the high quality industrial jobs to the U.S. President Trump is interested in the jobs of the future, not the jobs of the past.
We don't need to necessarily have a booming textile industry like where I grew up again, but we do want to have precision manufacturing and bring that back.
And another important, very important function of this that does not get talked about enough is national security.
President Trump, his overriding the concern and belief is that economic security is national security, national security is economic security.
And we saw during COVID that our supply chains got cut off.
And we need to bring back a lot of those supply chains, whether it's in semiconductors, medicines, the steel.
And we have to onshore those.
So it's a combination of making trade free and fair and remedying this gaping national security hole that he was left with.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Besson said today that the onus is on China to bring down its tariffs as he outlined how many jobs the world's second largest economy stands to lose in a trade war.
If the U.S. keeps tariffs in place at the current level of 145%, China could lose up to 10 million jobs very quickly, Bessett said during a press conference at the White House, citing outside statistics.
Even if the U.S. were to lower tariffs somewhat, China still stands to lose almost 5 million jobs, Bessett said.
So remember that we are the deficit country.
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They sell almost five times more goods to us than we sell to them.
So the onus is on them to take off these tariffs because for them, they are unsustainable.
Bessett said the White House's goal is a combination of imposing long-term tariffs and making deals with the essential trade partners, allowing the tax revenue levy to work as an income tax relief.
President Trump, in the meantime, says that he believes that there is a peace deal coming with Iran.
This past Sunday, the president announced that he believes a peace deal with Iran will be reached soon.
On the Iranian situation, I think we're doing very well, said the president.
I think a deal is going to be made there.
It's going to happen.
Pretty soon, it's going to happen.
We have something going on without starting to drop bombs all over the place.
One thing Donald Trump does know is that you don't negotiate in public, particularly this sensitive.
The U.S. and Iran concluded on Saturday the third round of nuclear talks and agreed to meet again on May 3rd.
U.S. President Donald Trump's special envoy, Steve Witkoff, has been leading the nuclear deal negotiations with Iran in Oman, the Gulf nation, which is acting as a mediator during these negotiations.
On Saturday, the parties broached the technical details of a possible nuclear deal for the first time, especially the limitations the U.S. wants to impose on Iran's nuclear program and the sanctions Iran wants the United States to lift.
The talks in Oman were positive and productive, according to one senior U.S. official.
There is still much to do, but further progress was made on getting to a deal.
Donald Trump ran as the peace candidate, and I believe he will deliver peace.
I was also deeply disturbed by the news that Virginia Jaffrey, who was one of the victims of Jeffrey Epstein, one of those who refused to settle between the time that Epstein was charged in Florida with sex crimes and the time years later when he was charged federally, had committed suicide, or at least reportedly.
Interestingly, I interviewed Jaffrey extensively for my book, The Clinton's War on Women.
I have almost 12 hours of audio tape, and I read every single word of her sworn testimony.
What's interesting to me as I go back and look at those records and listen to the tapes is that Virginia Jaffrey was the single most damning witness when it came to Bill Clinton.
She specifically testified that she saw Clinton chatting up two 16-year-olds when she, Jaffrey, was led from the room.
This was on Epstein's Island, in order to have sex with Epstein.
So she couldn't say definitively that Bill Clinton had sex with the two 16-year-olds, but on the other hand, it's Bill Clinton that we're talking about.
I, for one, having met the woman and having seen the incredible fight that she put on for the truth, refuse to believe that she was a victim of suicide.
Interestingly enough, she was hit by a bus only weeks ago.
So I'm not buying the official narrative.
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A Wisconsin judge is threatening not to hold court in protest of federal authorities arresting her fellow judge, Hannah Dugan, last week.
It's amazing how many on the left have tried to say that Dugan was arrested because the Trump administration disagreed with one of her rulings.
False.
Judge Dugan was arrested because she had tried to assist an illegal immigrant from escaping to the courtroom without being arrested by ICE for deportation.
But now, Judge Monica Isham made the announcement in an email to judges across the state of Wisconsin.
Her email, titled, Guidance Requested for I Refuse to Hold Court, made clear that she had no intention of working with the Immigrations and Custom Enforcement, also known as ICE, run by my good friend Tom, who is Tom Holman is one tough customer, believe me.
If there's no guidance for us and no support for us, I will refuse to hold court in Branch 2 of Sawyer County.
I will not put myself or my staff who feel compelled to help me or my community in harm's way, Isham, the liberal judge, wrote, according to a copy of this email, which was retained by Wisconsin Right Now News.
I have no intention of allowing anyone to be taken out of my courtroom by ICE and sent to a concentration camp, especially without due process, as both of the constitutions we swore to support require.
Should I start raising bail money?
I'd say the judge is being a bit mellow-dramatic.
Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights Harmeet Dylan reacted to Judge Isham's ultimatum on social media, saying the threat was problematic.
Judge Dugan was arrested and charged with obstruction of an official proceeding on Friday, as I say, after evidence came alight to light that she had shielded the migrant from the ICE agents according to a criminal complaint.
She was also charged with concealing an individual to prevent discovery and arrest.
Federal agents attempted to arrest the illegal alien, Eduardo Flores-Ruz, following his criminal court appearance before Dugan on April 18th to face three battery charges for beating two people.
It's amazing how the left has continued to insist that the president has no authority to deport these illegals when, of course, he has every authority to do that.
Michigan Democrat Sri Thanadar has filed articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump.
This guy is kind of the Indian Al Green.
You remember him?
Al Green was the congressman from Texas who filed articles of impeachment against Donald Trump within hours of him being sworn into his first term.
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There's zero chance that impeachment will pass the House, but the Democrats do this, I think, to lay down a marker.
It is amazing that they never quite give up in this enormous psyop.
So it's interesting to me that now, suddenly, the very same polls, specifically the New York Times, among others, the very same polls that said that Kamala Harris was going to defeat Donald Trump are now showing that the president is unpopular with the American people.
Pardon me if I don't believe it.
Here's the thing about polls.
Anyone can rig a poll who understands them.
You do it several different ways.
One way is by having bias in the way the questions are worded.
Another way to do it is by the order of the questions.
A third way to do it, of course, is having an inaccurate sample size.
That seems to be the case in the two leading polls that show Trump's disapproval rating rising.
According to the New York Times, only 37% of the people in their polling sample voted for Donald Trump.
So there you have the absolute proof that these polls are part of a psyop.
We saw this before the run-up to the 2024 election, where the polls didn't match the results at all.
It was funny at the White House correspondents dinner to see the collection of quote-unquote reporters.
The funniest joke I thought was the fact that Axios journalist Alex Thompson, who suggested that the media didn't report on Joe Biden's obvious cognitive decline because his handlers had covered it up, was celebrated.
Thompson claimed that Biden's decline and its cover-up by the people around him is a reminder that every White House, regardless of party, is capable of deception.
But being truth-tellers also means telling the truth about ourselves.
We, myself included, Thompson said, missed a lot of the story, and some people trust us less because of it.
Talk about understatement.
Here you had the entire White House press corps who insisted virtually to a man and a woman that Joe Biden was sharp as a tack behind closed doors.
Remember that one?
It's what they're saying about Pope Francis right now.
Anyone with eyes and ears could see Biden's mental decline, but now the media is trying to rewrite history, something they're great at, by pretending that they hadn't actively covered it up.
It's truly remarkable.
Thompson said, we bear some responsibility for faith in the media being at such lows.
I say this because acknowledging errors builds trust and being defense about it further erodes it.
We should have done better.
Now, no, Thompson was being given an award by his colleagues because he actually reported that Joe Biden was in a steep cognitive decline.
Something all of them knew, but virtually none of them wrote.
Yes, Thompson now says he regrets that he and the rest of the establishment media have lost the credibility they needed in order to trick the American people into believing their lies.
It's too late now for Thompson and the establishment media.
They are forever branded by our president as fake news.
The University of Zurich has admitted to using AI bots to secretly manipulate users of the liberal website Reddit since November of 2024.
Reddit is yet another one of those social media platforms where I have been banned since 2017.
I once had 980,000 followers on Twitter.
I had about 158,000 on Instagram.
I had about 85,000 on YouTube.
And then on one day, with each of those companies insisting they never spoke to each other, I was banned without reason.
By the way, they don't even send you an email or a text message to tell you why you have banned or that you have banned.
You just wake up one day and your page is gone.
Anybody who thinks that the problem of censorship is behind us is really not paying attention.
Yes, there is no question that Elon Musk has made enormous strides towards solving the problem.
And although it is not perfect, X, which used to be known as Twitter, is still the leading free speech site in the country.
I had the great honor of meeting Elon Musk about a week ago at Mar-Lago, and I told him that I thought he was probably the most important figure in the history of the First Amendment and free speech in this country.
I have to admit that when I was admitted back onto Twitter, I just went online and I filled out a form seeking reinstatement.
I figured that I would never hear anything, and that would be the end of it, since, well, I'm still banned on Facebook, still banned on Instagram.
To my surprise and delight, the company reviewed my form and I was restored.
But instead of 980,000 followers, now I had about 25,000.
I have slowly built that back up to somewhere around 830,000.
You can follow me, by the way, on X at Roger J. Stone Jr., Roger J. Stone JR.
The other problem, of course, is there's a bunch of Roger Stones on Twitter who are not me.
They use the same avatar, they use the same artwork, but they list themselves, for example, as Roger Z. Stone Jr.
It's a constant fight.
I constantly have to report them and ask that they be removed.
And as soon as they are, a new one drops back up.
The problem is even worse on Facebook.
On Facebook, where I have no profile at all, there are at least five Roger Stones, and they're doing a very healthy business in cryptocurrency and other products.
I was in a restaurant about a month ago.
A guy came up to me and said, hey, Stone, where is that cryptocurrency, that Bitcoin I bought from you?
I had no idea what the guy was talking about.
I don't sell cryptocurrency and I don't sell Bitcoin.
But it's amazing how many Roger Stones there are on Facebook.
I go to my lawyer.
My lawyer registers a complaint.
We hear nothing.
Then after a long period of time and several follow-up letters, they remove these profiles and then they literally pop up a few days later with slight deviations.
It is a gigantic problem.
And the scariest part we see here in this University of Zurich study is that the bots they used were six times more likely to change minds of those Redditors than the baseline, often leveraging misinformation.
I see this every day where there are individuals, presumably bots, who continue to repeat things on X that aren't true.
Let me give you an example.
Oh, Roger Stone was seen on Epstein's Island.
He was wearing a bull mask, and we knew it was him.
We could tell from his Nixon tattoo because he wasn't wearing a shirt.
Now, no one ever puts their name on that claim because they knew that I would sue them in a New York second.
I actually am the first second author in the country to expose Jeffrey Epstein, going back to my book, The Clinton's War on Women, back in 2015.
I acknowledge the work of Nick Bryant, who was really the first investigative journalist in the country to expose Epstein.
But I expanded on that substantially.
That book is still in publication.
That book probably got me indicted, actually.
It's a compendium of the crimes of Bill and Hillary Clinton.
But the longest chapter in the book makes many references to the information given to me by Virginia Jaffray, the woman who I reported earlier has reportedly died by suicide.
Once again, she was hit by a bus only weeks ago, and she actually left a message in which she said, I am not in any way suicidal, a paraphrasing.
If you hear that I have committed suicide, be skeptical.
There's very little doubt in my mind that the Epstein victims who have refused to settle, because when they settled, they signed non-disclosure agreements, are being bumped off.
Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna of Florida actually said on X, I guess it was the day before yesterday, two Epstein victims are now dead.
Every day the DOJ delays releasing the Epstein client list, public trust erodes and more lives are put at risk.
I'm calling on the DOJ and AG Pambondi to act immediately to release the files.
The American people deserve to know the truth.
Could not agree more.
She also said in a separate posting, on February 11th and February 19th, House Oversight sent a letter to the DOJ asking for the status of the release of the Epstein files as well as additional information on JFK.
To date, the DOJ has not responded.
Reaching out now here on X because we can't seem to get a response from the Attorney General.
I do think that Anna Paulina Luna, Congresswoman from Florida, has done an excellent job in heading the committee looking into the release of the documents pertaining to the murder of President John F. Kennedy and the murder of Senator Robert Kennedy.
But Congresswoman Luna knows what I know, which is to say those documents are completely and totally incomplete.
There are videos, audios, and documents that the Assassination Records Review Board looked at in the 90s when they investigated the Kennedy assassination that have not popped up in this release.
The House Select Committee on Assassinations told us that their investigation concluded that organized crime was deeply involved in the Kennedy assassination, yet we have not seen a single document pertaining to that.
I hope the president will go back and broaden his order for release.
And while he's at it, I have urged President Trump, both in writing and in person, to declassify all of the documents pertaining to the attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan and ultimately to declassify all the documents pertaining to the two attempts on President Trump's own life.
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Controversy continues to rage over the mortgage records of New York Attorney General Letitia James.
I have interviewed both Sam Antar, very interesting character.
Sam Antar went to prison in one of the largest security frauds in American history, paid his debt to society, did some serious jail time.
But when he came out, he turned his life around using his forensic skills and his knowledge to help governments and law firms ferret out corruption and fraud.
His website, whitecollarfraud.com, has documented using the actual filed documents of Letitia James, a daisy chain of fraud that goes back almost 40 years.
The documentary filmmaker and author Joel Gilbert has done the same in a series at the Gateway Pundit.
But it was interesting to see Errol Lewis of New York One.
He shouts out to Sam Antar saying, Sam, what Donald Trump wanted was a headline saying that the New York Attorney General is accused of fraud and you helped make that happen.
The facts are not terribly interesting in my opinion.
And we'll let the Justice Department see how this works out, see what they find.
The last politician that Errol Lewis assured us had done nothing wrong was Elliot Spitzer.
This is a very serious issue.
There is more to come.
As Sam Antar reported yesterday in 2022, a female employee of the Attorney General's office filed a sexual harassment complaint against the Attorney General's chief of staff.
More recently, the appeals court let that case go forward, but it dismissed the charges against Letitia James, the Attorney General.
The lawyer representing the state employee, Sophia Quintara, tells me that that will be appealed.
This is going to be a very interesting case, and we're going to be following it.
I also continue to say that when you examine the multi-million dollar fraud perpetrated by Act Blue, which is the Democrat payment processing app that is being used to launder millions and millions and millions of dollars into the campaigns of Democrats, well, the campaign of Letitia James is one of the greatest offenders.
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This is very clever.
People can give by credit card, but they turn off the function which checks the address against the card.
Interestingly enough, in most cases, the donors or alleged donors give a very large number of small and medium-sized contributions as opposed to one large contribution.
When you go locate these so-called donors on their front doorstep, you show them a spreadsheet of their donations, in this case to Letitia James, seven out of ten who are willing to be interviewed say they made no such contribution.
19 state attorney generals have opened an investigation into Act Blue, and I think Act Blue will yet be the New York Attorney General's next headache.
We're going to be following this story very closely.
I reiterate, however, that Attorney General James has an open invitation to come on the Stone Zone anytime and confront these charges against her.
She wants to come out with Sam Antar.
Well, that would be extremely entertaining.
I guess I won't hold my breath.
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I've been a little lax on that.
I'm starting to get complaints about it.
But we try to do it on a bipartisan basis.
I criticize Republicans and Democrats in any event.
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