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Anthony Fauci’s Brutal History Of Animal Torture Exposed! | The StoneZONE w/ Roger Stone
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The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone!
Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.
We have a great show for you today.
Justin Goodman joins us from the White Coast Waste Project.
They are waging war to stop the federal government.
From conducting inhumane, cruel experiments on cats and dogs and other animals.
We're going to talk about that.
And then my good friend Lance Migliaccio from The Big Mig Show joins us with a shocking national security story.
Here to help me break all of this down is my co-host, the editor-in-chief and publisher of Slingshot.News, Troy Smith.
Roger, as always, an honor to be back with you in the Stone Zone.
You're looking well, my friend.
It's good to be back.
Feel great.
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All right, Troy.
Let me bring in our next guest.
Justin Goodman is a senior vice president for advocacy and public policy at the White Coat Waste Project.
And he's someone I've enjoyed working with.
Justin Goodman joins us now.
Thanks for having me, guys.
Justin, it's great to be back with you.
You are on my 77 WABC radio show.
I must tell you, we got more comments and more good feedback from that show than perhaps any guest we've had since the inception of the show, with the exception of President Donald Trump himself.
I have to say off the top that I worked with the White Coast.
Coat Waste Project on a pro bono basis during the Trump presidency, the first Trump presidency.
And it was one of the most satisfying things that I've ever done in my career in American politics.
My family, my wife and I, we're dog lovers, we're cat lovers.
And I was shocked when I learned how much the federal government was spending on these inhumane, unscientific, useless...
Medical experiments on innocent dogs and cats.
And we, with the help of President Trump, your project was extraordinarily successful in stopping, for example, the DOD, the DOT, and other government agencies from conducting these inhumane experiments.
But then, unfortunately, Joe Biden became president.
Things went right back to the way they are.
Now, the white coat.
Waste Project is back in the fight.
You're going to be testifying before Congress next week.
You're already scoring victories.
This is the most exciting work I want to be involved in going forward.
I know Troy's a great animal lover as well.
Tell us what's going on and the victories you have already scored, not to mention what's coming up.
Yeah, thank you, Roger.
We're so grateful for your support over the years.
A lot of people don't realize that there was historic progress made under the first Trump administration to end wasteful taxpayer-funded animal experimentation.
And you were key in scoring some of those victories.
Two that come to mind immediately are, number one, we stopped dog and cat testing at the Department of Veterans Affairs, and you were an outspoken advocate on that from day one.
And as you mentioned, the Biden administration tried.
To resume cat testing after you helped us stop it and we were able to stop them.
The other big victory you helped us score during Trump 1.0 was shutting down the government's largest cat lab.
And this is a lab where they were going to China and buying dog and cat meat at these disgusting wet markets and then flying it back to the United States.
And force-feeding it to cats and cannibalism experiments.
And we shut those things down, which is great.
And of course, everyone remembers in April 2020 when White Coat Waste Project exposed Fauci's funding for the Wuhan lab.
President Trump went on TV a couple days later and cut those experiments.
He cut that grant.
And it's important to note that the experiments that likely caused COVID at the Wuhan laboratory, this gain-of-function research.
Those are animal experiments.
They were taking these bats from the wild, bringing them into the lab, taking coronaviruses from them, and then souping them up and putting them in humanized mice.
So that's kind of the worst-case scenario for this government-funded animal testing.
Obviously, it's incredibly wasteful.
It's incredibly cruel.
But it could cause a pandemic that kills millions of people.
And that's exactly what happened in Wuhan, thanks to funding from Fauci and USAID. But I'm thrilled, as you mentioned, this week on Thursday.
I'm going to be testifying in front of the House Oversight Committee, the Subcommittee on Government Innovation.
Our friend, Congresswoman Nancy Mace, the chairwoman of the committee, is holding the first hearing of this Congress for her subcommittee.
And I am one of the witnesses to discuss the wastefulness and cruelty of these experiments and give recommendations for how we can move forward and continue to make progress to cut this waste, fraud, and abuse in the federal government.
And we do have a plan for President Trump.
We have a four-point plan, obviously, Roger, you know, because you helped us roll it out a couple weeks ago.
It's defund all the dog and cat labs, cut funding for labs in China.
There's still dozens of labs in China getting taxpayer dollars, reinstate Trump's EPA animal testing phase-out plan, and abolish Fauci's division of NIH, which might fund more animal testing than any other division of the government.
So we're excited.
There's a lot of folks going into government.
RFK Jr. is a supporter of ours.
NIH nominee Jay Bhattacharya, FDA nominee Marnie McCurry.
The first family, obviously, have been some big supporters of ours.
Donald Trump Jr. helped us expose ongoing dog testing funded by taxpayers in China recently.
So we're very optimistic that we're going to continue the good work that we started under Trump 1.0 and make more progress for animals and taxpayers.
Folks, if you're just tuning in, we're talking to Justin Goodman.
For more than 15 years, Justin has run high-profile winning grassroots and lobbying campaigns to expose and end the wasteful and cruel taxpayer-funded experiments on dogs, cats, primates, and other animals.
We are honored to have him with us today, and we're honored to be great supporters of the important work of the White Coat.
Waste Project.
He's going to see a lot of him on our show.
In fact, I just asked him to come back on 77 WABC this coming weekend, where he's going to join Congresswoman Nicole Malliotakis, another strong supporter of this effort to end the cruelty against animals by the federal government.
Troy, I'm going to throw the ball to you.
Do you have questions for Justin?
Absolutely, sir.
Your work is so inspiring, and I think there's so many people out there that love animals and hate to see what's going on.
There's groups that traditionally are tasked with raising awareness about this kind of testing.
They've been silent on the Democrat advance of animal cruelty and a lot of the things you're talking about that have been spurred by the Democrats, attempted to be stopped by President Trump, and they resumed them.
What do you have to say about the silence of these groups in the face of Biden opening up a lot of these industries of torture that were stopped under President Trump?
Yeah, that's a great question, Troy.
Obviously, at its core, this is a nonpartisan issue.
Unfortunately, the big establishment groups that have been around for a long time, the PETAs of the world, they lean far left, and they criticize President Trump.
PETA, I mean, has been saying that President Trump did nothing to get animals out of laboratories.
I'd argue, and I think a lot of people would agree, that under the Trump administration, more progress is made.
To get animals out of laboratories, more historic progress was made to get animals out of laboratories than any other administration in this country's history.
But they're denying, you know, these groups are denying wins and they want to keep everything in a silo and, you know, only talk to the left.
And, you know, this country is full of animal lovers.
You know, I work at the Freedom Caucus and the squad and everyone in between and try to unite people around this issue because it really is something that...
Everyone should care about and take action to help a problem that everyone should help take action to solve.
But it has been unnecessarily politicized.
And, you know, I think there was some kind of impression people had that the Biden administration was going to be good on this issue.
And actually, they were terrible on this issue.
They were terrible on a lot of animal issues.
You know, you can look at their track record.
It wasn't just animal testing.
So we were incredibly disappointed by it, but not incredibly surprised during the Biden administration.
You know, one good example of what happened is in 2019, the Trump administration's EPA chief, Andrew Wheeler, who's a volunteer advisor of ours, he put a historic first ever plan into place at the EPA to completely phase out testing on dogs and other animals by 2035. 30% drawdown by 2025. This was historic.
It was hailed as this big victory.
All of the groups, you know, our group and some of the, you know, the left animal rights groups praised the decision.
Within months of taking over in office, Biden's EPA chief, despite telling Congress under oath during his confirmation hearing that he would continue the progress to reduce animal testing, killed the plan, the Trump EPA animal testing phase-out plan, completely gutted it.
Took out all the benchmarks and timelines.
And all the other groups who were there on the dais that day have been silent about this because they've all been completely captured by these government agencies.
And they're afraid to step out of line and say anything critical about them because they have access.
They get their name in press releases and they don't want to rock the boat.
But we called out the EPA. We called out the Biden EPA. And we're now one of our top priorities for this administration is getting that.
The reason the Biden EPA killed that plan is because environmental groups were pressuring them specifically to eliminate Trump's EPA animal testing phase out because they said in the interest of environmental justice, they not only wanted them to not reduce animal testing, they wanted them to do more of it.
And as a result, we saw them spending millions of dollars, wasting millions of dollars on things like forcing lab animals to breathe simulated wildfire smoke.
And even gun control experiments, where they're shooting off handguns and rifles and forcing animals to breed the emissions.
That's what the Biden EPA turned into after Trump tried to end animal testing there.
And they really did that out of spite and out of pressure from these radical environmental groups.
So we're hoping to bring things back, bring some sanity back to the EPA and these other agencies, eliminate some of this wasteful testing.
Again, it doesn't only waste billions of dollars a year.
It's incredibly cruel.
And worst case scenario, it's incredibly dangerous.
It amazes me when you look at some of the better known, some of the more famous organizations, nonprofits, theoretically, who are supposed to be working to protect defenseless animals.
First thing you find is they spend a huge amount of money on overhead, on staff, on consultants, on fancy offices, but you can't find them in the field actually fighting.
To save animals.
This is not true of the White Coat Project where you guys run a lean operation and the money goes into program.
It goes into the fight.
I think Americans across the board were shocked to see these photographs of experiments conducted by Dr. Fauci in which beagles Basically had their heads locked into like a box and they had these flesh-eating insects attacking the faces and heads of defenseless beagles.
Could you explain for our audience what possible scientific value these torturous experiments could possibly have?
Yeah, thanks, Roger.
It dates back to 2021. That was our first investigation after we exposed Fauci's funding for the Wuhan lab.
That was our first investigation exposing his funding for dog experiments, both in the U.S. and abroad.
And we found that Fauci's division of NIH shipped hundreds of thousands of dollars to a lab in Tunisia where they were drugging dogs and putting them in cages, these mesh cages, and then filling those cages with hundreds of biting sand flies.
And they put them in the...
Cages with their heads because it's easier to access blood on their faces and ears.
And actually what they wanted to see was that they were studying basically whether dogs who had been infected with a parasite were more delicious and desirable to the flies than the dogs who had not been infected with a parasite.
And that was just the tip of the iceberg when it came to Fauci's funding.
I mean, he as an individual has probably been responsible for more animal testing and the abuse of animals in labs than any other single individual.
In history, in terms of the length of time he spent at the NIH, almost 40 years, and the amount of money he was spending on animal testing.
His division of NIH has a $6.5 billion budget, and a majority of that money is being spent on animal experiments.
And we also exposed testing where beagle puppies were having their vocal cords cut out so they couldn't bark in the laboratory and being force-fed pesticides and drugs and other things.
We exposed some other fun...
Funding that he doled out with ongoing testing where they're infesting beagle puppies with biting ticks, mutant ticks, out of the Midwest at a laboratory infecting cats with COVID. That's a project that Rand Paul recently included in his year-end waste book.
So the mind reels, honestly, Roger, about why this stuff continues.
And it's really ultimately a lack of oversight and accountability.
I mean, these mad scientists have had a free pass.
Yeah, I mean, I think that Fauci's activities in this area are absolute further proofs of demand as a psychopath.
If you read my book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ, As a boy, the abuse of animals was a regular for Lyndon Johnson.
He would take a dog, he would take a cherry bomb, which is like an explosive firecracker, light it, and drop and shove it down the dog's throat to watch the dog explode, and blood would fly every place.
Abusing animals, he actually beat a donkey to death with a baseball bat as a 16-year-old.
This is the sign of a psychopath.
By the way, a person who would do that would also...
Orchestrate the assassination of an American president.
We talked about that on our radio show this weekend.
Troy, next question to you for Justin.
Well, Roger, that's a shocking Statement that you just made about the correlation, I think, between psychopathy and animal abuse.
And I think that's my question.
There seems to me to be an overlap here between authoritarian politics and animal abuse.
It seems that the people that are most interested in locking us down, telling us what we can and can't do, controlling our lives, they're also the people who are conducting these hard experiments.
What do you say about that as somebody who delves into this constantly?
There's a definite overlap there, isn't there?
Well, yeah.
I mean, who's more defenseless and vulnerable than lab animals, right?
Dogs, you know, cats and puppies and other bunnies and other animals who, you know, they can't fight back and no one listens if they try to and doesn't care.
You know, we just exposed a lab in China that's actively receiving funding from the U.S. National Institutes of Health and Department of Defense.
The approved contract, the taxpayer-funded contract for this project says they're choosing beagles because they are cute and docile.
So the same qualities that make dogs, you know, beagles in particular, great pets are the same reason why they're, the ghoulish reason why they're abusing them is because they're small and they're easy to abuse.
And if you look at Fauci's history, you know, I think people think of him in a lot of ways as just a...
A paper pusher, that he was a bureaucrat at the NIH who signed off on and promoted a lot of, you know, questionable programs, damaging programs.
But he was personally involved in animal experimentation for many decades, until the very day that he left the NIH. He was still receiving funding and was the lead experimenter on projects where they were infecting female monkeys with an HIV-like virus.
And back in the 80s, he was personally infecting chimpanzees with HIV, trying to give them AIDS. That ended up being a big failure.
Also, we still don't have an AIDS vaccine, you know, half a century later.
Yeah, but this guy's evil.
This guy tortured animals with his own hands and signed off on billions of tax dollars every single year to allow other people to do it also.
And then let's remember, he lied about it under oath repeatedly.
To Rand Paul, to other members of Congress in congressional hearings where he was asked whether he funded gain of function in Wuhan, which he repeatedly denied.
Obviously, he did.
We got the receipts for that.
And he said he never used his personal email for NIH business.
Again, this is a felony.
That's perjury.
And then we found emails where he was talking to a reporter at The Washington Post who was helping him cover up the Beagle abuse scandal in Tunisia.
And he writes to her.
Contact me on my personal Gmail to discuss this further.
So, yeah, this guy's a monster to animals.
He's a liar.
He's an unindicted felon.
Unfortunately, he has been pardoned, but there are other ways we can hold him accountable.
We can abolish the division that he built at the NIH and make sure that these sick programs that he signed off on and set into motion are ended also and leave the government with him.
And we can get him in front of congressional hearings and he won't be able to plead the fifth anymore.
And maybe we can get some answers for what really happened in Wuhan and elsewhere.
So, you know, I think that, you know, he's not going to get off scot-free.
Rand Paul and other people are already saying they're going to continue to hold him accountable.
We're working, urging the Trump administration to audit and dismantle the division he built at the NIH.
And, you know, I think there's a lot of other creative ways that Congress and the administration could take action to hold him accountable and make sure that that type of thing doesn't happen again.
Yeah, it particularly galls me that under current federal law, Fauci and his wife are allowed to make literally millions of dollars out of the vaccines that he promoted and tried to mandate on the American people.
So as far as his security detail is concerned, I was very happy to see the president cancel federal funding and supply of his security detail, and Fauci can pay for his own security.
One of the problems that Troy and I have talked about extensively here is that no one will be held accountable in the D.C. judicial system.
There are no non-biased, non-political, honest judges in D.C., and a fair, reasonable, unbiased jury cannot be had.
So there I suggest, since Dr. Fauci has been pardoned, that House Speaker Johnson...
Hold field hearings around the country.
Now, under the terms of the pardon, Fauci cannot refuse to testify.
He cannot plead the fifth.
And if he perjures himself, well, he can be prosecuted, not in DC. But in the jurisdiction in which he lies.
We are going to have to get creative here to hold these people accountable, but it absolutely must be done.
Folks, if you love animals, don't waste your money on the Humane Society and these other organizations who spend a fortune on overhead but don't actually fight for the animals.
Tell folks how they can support the important work you're doing at the White Coat Waste Project.
Thanks, Roger.
Yeah, we are a non-profit.
We rely on the generosity and support of just everyday Americans across the country.
We don't take federal funding.
We didn't take COVID bailouts.
We don't believe that's the government's role, and we walk the walk and talk the talk.
So yeah, we do rely on the generosity and compassion of people across the country.
So please visit whitecoatwaste.org and then at White Coat Waste on all the social media platforms, you can see What we're up to, get minute-to-minute updates on our campaign, see what's latest and greatest from the front lines of our effort to get the government out of the animal testing business.
Another significant milestone for White Coast Waste Project is that Elon Musk has begun following you.
This is really terrific.
And he actually had a post about this issue.
Tell us about that.
Yeah, so back in 2023, we've been following the money from the federal government to Wuhan since early 2020, before there was a pandemic declared.
We were looking at taxpayer funding from the NIH and other agencies going to the Wuhan laboratory.
And in 2023, we obtained documents showing that the suspected patient zero, a guy named Ben Hu, who's an animal experimenter at the Wuhan lab, We received contract documents through a FOIA lawsuit showing that Ben Hu, suspected patient zero for COVID, worked at the Wuhan lab.
And not only that, that he was being funded by USAID and Fauci's division of the NIH. So this draws a direct line from NIH and USAID to the Wuhan laboratory to patient zero.
He was specifically receiving money from USAID and the NIH. For gain-of-function experiments with bat coronaviruses, the very experiments that the CIA announced a couple weeks ago and the FBI and Department of Energy already believe caused COVID. We knew our taxpayer dollars were funding that.
And then we got the receipts showing that the suspected patient zero worked in that laboratory and that he was receiving cash from the USAID and National Institutes of Health.
So that's what...
Elon and others, our posts about that kind of went viral this weekend, got a second life, as it were, which was great.
A lot of people paying attention to our work to find, expose, and defund animal experiments around the world.
In this case, Wuhan.
But also shedding light on what USAID is up to around the world.
Obviously, they ended up under the microscope during the first few weeks of the Trump administration.
And I'd argue one of the worst things they did was sending money to the Wuhan lab for these experiments that likely caused COVID and killed 20 million people and cost trillions of dollars in economic damage to the US. But unfortunately, the government hasn't learned this lesson.
And we're still sending, NIH is still sending tax dollars to 26 different animal laboratories in China.
Including some that are controlled by the Communist Party and linked to China's People Liberation Army.
And we just got documents showing that they're using 300 dogs a week in these taxpayer-funded laboratories on U.S. taxpayer-funded contracts where they're injecting and force-feeding these beagle puppies, 300 of them a week, experimental drugs, and then restraining them.
In restraint devices so they can't move while they're being experimented on.
And, you know, this is low-hanging fruit as far as I'm concerned for the Trump administration.
Donald Trump set things in motion when he cut the funding for the Wuhan lab back in 2020, and he can finish what he started by defunding the rest of the animal labs in China that are still receiving our taxpayer dollars.
All right, I'm afraid we're going to have to leave it there.
Once again, tell folks where they can go to make a generous contribution to your vital work.
Thanks again, Roger.
Yes, WhiteCoatWaste.org is our website.
You can make a donation there, sign up for our mailing list, and also at WhiteCoatWaste on all the social media platforms, and I hope you'll follow.
All right, great.
So again, Justin, we want to get you back on 77 WABC this weekend because this is a vitally important fight.
On behalf of Troy and myself, we want to thank you for coming into the Stone Zone today, and God bless you.
And please let us know anything we can do to help further this vital fight to stop the cruel, inhumane experiments on helpless, defenseless animals by our federal government.
God bless you.
Thanks, guys.
So now I want to bring in one of the most high-powered guests we've ever had, Lance Migliaccio, not only a good friend, but is a seasoned broadcaster.
An investigative journalist.
If you don't watch his show, The Big Mig Show, well, then you're really missing out.
And he's going to introduce another gentleman who's going to, a fellow named Jordan Goudreau, who's going to expose one of the most shocking national security stories I have ever heard.
Lance Migliaccio, I hope you are ready to join the Stone Zone.
Thank you.
Roger Stone, thanks for having me.
Obviously, they don't want you and I talking or disclosing a story.
Troy, how are you this morning, man?
Good to see you, brother.
Yeah, you know how that is.
Of course, I hope you didn't oversell me, Roger.
I feel like I might be, I don't want to let anybody down here on the Stone Zone.
Hey, Jordan Gaudreau joins us.
And listen, man, thanks for joining us.
I know you had a little snafu this morning that your ProtonMail server was down.
And of course, the Internet at your house all of a sudden miraculously went out right before the Internet.
The entire neighborhood.
I'm going to be honest with you.
This was like the climax of some kind of Hollywood movie because Internet went down at the house.
ProtonMail server went down, so somebody doesn't want this conversation to take place.
Well, let me do a quick intro for you and just give you the cliff notes to get us started.
You know, Jordan Gaudreau, he's a former U.S. Army Green Beret and founder of Silvercorp USA, which is a private security firm that's his.
He gained a bunch of international attention in May of 2020 for his alleged involvement, of course, Operation Gideon, a failed attempt to overthrow, of course, the Venezuelan president, Nicolas Maduro.
Goudreau, who previously served in combat deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan, later transitioned into the private sector, offering services ranging from crisis response to VIP protection.
Of course, his role in the Venezuelan operation remains really controversial, that's why we're here today, with allegations of connections to the CIA, USAID, Mike Pence, John Bolton, Gina Haspel, Mike Pompeo, and many others.
You know, Jordan came onto my show.
We were just going to cover the, you know, of course, Operation Gideon.
I did a bunch of research prior to this, and as everybody knows, I was originally a government contractor, worked for Halliburton, Wackenhut, G4S, Sabre, Blackwater, and others.
And I started really looking at the details of what he provided me and the evidence, and it just seemed to me that what we're really looking at here is a weaponization of the federal government against Jordan Goudreau.
And I believe in operation to discredit, at that time, Donald Trump, the 45th president of the United States, and furthermore, to potentially use this story as a way to discredit his run for re-election.
Which, of course, he's 47 now.
So, Roger, that gets us started.
I think we can go right into some of the key takeaways.
Jordan, let's talk about, very briefly, how this started and who reached out to you and kind of the dialogue that got them interested in you performing this operation for them.
Right, right.
So, I mean, and let me just start with, my lawyer is incredibly pragmatic.
You know, I talked to her about this stuff months ago.
You know, tried to dismiss a lot of it, but the more it's revealed to her this morning, in fact, she wrote a letter to the court and basically said, you guys are hiding this evidence.
You have scoped the date range of this prosecution to eliminate world leaders, presidents, and it's highly suspicious.
And so let me take you back all the way to...
I guess what I would say was the recruitment.
I was recruited as a means to have a decisive involvement and decisive action in Venezuela that would bring about what the executive branch wanted.
As everybody knows, back then, the Trump administration was fragmented.
The president didn't know who to trust.
He was at odds with Gina Haspel.
She believed her way to liberate Venezuela was through infrastructure attacks.
Things of that nature.
Obviously, the president, I have to be careful about saying the executor, because that also is fragmented.
As you'll soon learn, I mean, Mike Pence was working against the president, and we've just learned this in the last month with access, really pushing for access to discovery.
I mean, this case is really a case study in geopolitical corruption and weaponization, utilizing several entities in the U.S. government and foreign entities like the Colombian Intelligence Service.
And this goes all the way to all the way up to, you know, the Colombian president using his powers to attack members of my team.
So this, you know, I'm not overselling it.
Lance didn't oversell it.
This is one of the craziest, I guess, espionage stories of the modern age.
But I digress.
I was recruited to bring about a decisive solution to a problem.
And I was brought into the room with several individuals who were, I believe for the most part, in some capacity, certainly Keith Schiller, who was Donald Trump's fixer at the time, was well-intentioned.
He believed that this was on the surface what it was supposed to be.
But neither Keith nor myself knew that the people in the room we were dealing with You know, CIA assets who are linked now, and I've seen it on paper, to Juan Cruz, which is obviously Gina Haspel's guy in South America.
Furthermore, one of the individuals, obviously, his education was supplied by USAID, just like Lopoldo Lopez and Juan Guido, the president of Venezuela, who ultimately signed a, you know, $500 million contract with me for this endeavor.
And so you had these individuals who were funded by USAID, which they're working with the CIA. So you can make those connections, but let's go back.
So I get recruited to do this.
I do my due diligence.
Obviously, Rowan Craft, the entity in Washington, D.C., global governments, can't get the contract signed because Lopoldo Lopez doesn't want to sign the contract.
He doesn't want to give away all the business contracts.
Great.
I come back.
I red hat.
I make sure that there's people in place, there's assets in place in Venezuela to make this happen.
I determined that, yes, this is possible.
Let me clarify, I'm not a mercenary.
There was another project that one of these individuals gave me to look at.
It was a prospectus.
It was for an invasion.
That is not what I do.
I use human intelligence solutions to try to bring about solutions.
So I was developing a network and I was trying to see if it was possible to develop a powerful network in Venezuela to use...
You know, Venezuelan military to do their own coup.
Obviously, the 30 April coup that was tried by Juan Guaido didn't work because he didn't have military support.
So the crux of my entire operation relied on one general, General Cliver Alcala.
And I built a lot of the operation around him.
Furthermore, I built contacts inside Venezuela who were in and around Maduro, who had access and placement.
And so as the project moved forward...
I needed assurances.
I needed authorizations, obviously, that I was able to do what I was doing.
And so the first round of authorizations came from that initial meeting in Miami early on.
That contract was not secured.
And so when I came back to...
Who was at that meeting in Miami the first time?
Because based on at least what I know of the story, you never had reason to believe that this wasn't a government-supported and sanctioned operation.
From the outset, this was, you know, promised to me that this was backed by the U.S. government.
So I wouldn't even, I would not have even taken a team to Colombia otherwise.
So in the room, most notably, is Lester Toledo.
And there's a clip of Lester Toledo.
He actually, so he was, most notably now, he was the strategist and still is a strategist for Nayib Bukele.
And he is responsible largely for his last election win.
Lester Toledo, in this capacity, was working for Juan Guido as a strategist.
Lester Toledo also owns a humanitarian company.
This humanitarian company was the beneficiary of a portion of the $1.6 billion of humanitarian aid from USAID. This organization, as you know, has recently been called out for a tremendous...
Tremendous corruption.
And this is no mistake, which begs the question, who is really policing it?
Because the FBI, the portions of my discovery that were limited, were limited by the DOJ for a reason, because they contained these individuals, these names.
And so it's obvious to my lawyer that these individuals are being protected.
Lester Toledo, George Betancourt, Yvonne Duque.
These individuals who have direct contact.
With this QSAID organization.
But I digress.
So this is the other individual in the room was Keith Schiller.
I believe Keith.
He was on the level.
He really wanted to do this.
And then Nestor Sains was obviously a conduit or the spokesperson for global governments.
And can you explain to the audience who Nestor Sains is?
Because I'm sure they haven't heard that name before, although I have.
So Global Governments is a think tank in D.C., which obviously they link people together.
They do lobbying and they have access to lawyers.
The lawyer they were using in this instance was a guy named Travis Lucas, which was Mike Pompeo's lawyer.
And it was reiterated to me several times that this was Mike Pompeo's lawyer.
You know, this lawyer had a chance to look at the contract.
Everything's fine.
When everything exploded...
You know, Travis Lucas, his lawyer, went to the media and said he had never met me.
But I had two invoices from Travis Lucas.
So at the very top of this thing, once it moved past the global government stage, which Nestor always stayed around, after the global government's meeting, they couldn't secure the contract.
Juan Guaido, the president, reached out to me through a cutout, which was his cousin.
So his cousin, essentially, he put me in contact with Guido's strategist, a guy named Rendon.
He is an election strategist also.
We ended up sitting down and signing a contract.
This is where the half-billion-dollar contract, this is where this came into place.
And they engaged me.
So I was now in a contract with the Venezuelan president, Juan Guido, to do this coup, this regime change.
It was never talked about how.
I think everybody assumed that it was going to be some kind of military special operation.
But the reality is when you saw the fallout of this, it was like you don't use special operations and you don't conduct an invasion with 60 guys in fishing boats.
So essentially the spin, which was spearheaded by J.J. Rendon and CIA, kind of, you know, a more nuanced version of Operation Mockingbird.
This kind of controlled the media flow.
I turned into this crazy lunatic who was just doing this on my own, despite the fact that there were several connections to the U.S. government.
Now, the big authorizations came from Mike Pence and his staff.
So, you know, Dirty Mike and the Boys, I guess, is what I call them.
And make that connection for the audience.
Would you explain how that actually, how that Pence is involved directly in this operation?
So Mike Pence, he had two guys working for him who denied knowing me.
One of these aides, he had an email that he had rewritten.
There were seven iterations.
In one email, it said that he had never met me.
The second one, he met me one time, you know, so on and so forth.
The other individual said they didn't know Mike.
These guys said they didn't know Mike Pence.
They never discussed him and Mike Pence, vice versa.
But when it comes to the paper trail and emails, it's all there.
And who were those individuals?
What were their names?
One was Jason Beardsley.
The other one was Drew Horn.
So they were working as aides for Mike Pence.
The strange thing is that Jason Beardsley, my lawyer pointed this out.
Jason Beardsley, he had a title, a different title, but oddly enough, he was being farmed out as an aide to Mike Pence in a separate capacity, which was very strange to me.
And he has a heavy human intelligence background.
You know, let me ask you this, Jordan.
There was a time, and of course, since you were on my show with the interview and the research I did, it seemed like they were starting to put pressure on you.
And smartly enough, you didn't comply with them.
But they wanted to arrange some kind of a meeting with Donald Trump, even though you'd never interacted with him.
You had no reason to believe that he was directly involved in this operation.
Give me your take on why you think, or what at least your perception was, of why they were so adamant about your meeting with Trump.
And the timeline on that, I think it's 2019. Am I right?
Right, exactly.
Okay, if you could just go into detail on how many times they pushed on you to try to make that meeting happen, and who pushed on you.
Sure.
So yeah, Mike Pence's aides both were, you know, largely drew horns.
So there was one combined meeting where both individuals were trying to get me to meet with Donald Trump in Mar-a-Lago, and I declined.
And to be honest, it was very strange to me because of the operational security knowledge that both of these guys have.
It's very strange.
I was using them in the capacity because they're cutouts.
Explain to the audience, because they might not understand what a cutout is.
I know what it is, and I'm sure Roger and Troy know what it is, but I'd like to hear your definition of it to the audience.
It's simply a go-between that provides deniability for the hire.
That's it.
This is exactly what I wanted to do.
I wanted to provide deniability for hire, which was a certain individual at the time.
Now, it became very clear to me in the aftermath that A lot that, you know, Mike Pence and Juan Cruz and Gina Haspel and the Americans were using this as a means to not give Donald Trump the victory in Venezuela.
Because to be perfectly honest, this was a very simple operation.
It was a link-up.
This was not invasion or incursion.
And when you read the media, it's a lot of smoke and mirrors because you can't understand.
Half of what's going on in the media, if you try to understand why I was landing boats, why I was doing it, they can't answer it.
Nobody understands why, except for a few people who, like, I guess that's why I'm going on the show.
Yeah, and so let's get back onto the photo op.
Explain that scenario.
Yeah, so ultimately I think those guys wanted a photo op with, you know, the president, with me shaking his hand.
They sabotaged the operation, and next thing you know, There's a picture of me shaking the hand of Donald Trump.
And they had enough linkage.
I had done some security for his, you know, obviously his rallies and, you know, with Keith Schiller.
How did that security for rallies come up?
How did they try to get you into that circle?
Who did that?
When did they do it?
The timing on that?
And what rally specifically are we talking about?
What part of the country?
Yeah, that was, it was in Texas.
And so I, to be honest, I... Somebody called me.
It was the same, you know, they reached out to me anonymously and got me on.
It was the same way I got access to the Venezuela Live Aid concert.
It was largely anonymous.
I don't remember too well the Trump rally, but it might have been a friend.
But to be perfectly honest, it was very strange, the Mike Pence of it all.
And, you know, I would send these guys RFIs, like requests for information.
You know, X, Y, and Z happened, or this individual's involved, or that individual.
And they would come back with answers.
And I met, you know, Drew Horn several times over the course of this.
You know, I'd say five to ten times in person.
So maybe I missed it, but who specifically, you know, asked you for those, that photo op?
Who specifically came at you?
How did it start?
Who did it?
And then what other people jumped in on that dialogue?
Yeah, so obviously, you know, Drew Horn wanted me to meet with the president.
And then the other individual, Jason Beardsley, same thing, which was strange.
I mean, I figured they would have wanted to meet with Mike Pence.
And they made several representations regarding, and it was told to me, look, all the doors were open.
We don't care how bloody it is.
You know, things of that nature.
You have full authorization to do whatever you need to do.
So, once again, they confirmed with you that there was total awareness by the U.S. government at different levels, which we don't know what levels those were specifically, because even in your case, it sounds like the DOJ is doing what normally the DOJ does, which what they like to do is curate the discovery.
They want to make sure that they go through it first, and then you get the watered-down version.
version.
Of course, they use state secret and national security in a situation like that to justify why they're redacting or pulling other items out.
But here they are.
You never had a reason to believe that the U.S. government had not sanctioned this operation in any form.
No.
During the entire period of time, even Rowan Craft, who was drafting the original contract, he referenced several times that he had met During the course of this,
there were several touches that had been represented to me that you had full authorization to do this.
Otherwise, I wouldn't have even looked at it.
Right.
And I can understand that.
Let's talk about...
You believe that the operation was infiltrated and sabotaged intentionally.
And what's odd about it is the timeline there.
They sabotage the event.
And then, of course, everything goes badly for you.
Let's talk about what makes you believe it was infiltrated and sabotaged.
And let's talk about that timeline quickly about when they took out the key elements that you needed in Venezuela and what they did to do that, where one minute they appeared to be an ally and the next minute they appear on the DEA list.
Go into that, would you?
Right.
So the big hit.
The big hit was, and this is what they're trying to prosecute for, is alleged arms trafficking.
But the deal is, from what I've seen in black and white, it seems more like other individuals are responsible for that.
And I can't really talk through it because my co-defendant is in a trial in Colombia.
But when my lawyer saw the discovery, it was incredibly suspicious.
She thinks that the weapons are planted.
Did you ever import any weapons at all yourself?
No.
Did your operation or any of the team members ever import weapons?
No.
Absolutely not.
So the weapons were supplied by who?
And who was involved in that weapon transfer?
Because, let's face it, to...
To import weapons into a country, you have to have a skirt and skill set when it comes to smuggling.
At the end of the day, you have to be able to pass whatever they use, whether it's backscatter, x-ray or anything else.
So smuggling operations, there's usually people that have a high level of skill creating the entities, especially when it comes to things that might have a military signature like comms or weapons.
So who actually brought those weapons into the country that ended up in all those?
Right.
So this is still up for debate.
I have a pretty good idea of who it is, but I'm pretty sure it's exact on who it is who actually planted the weapons.
The weapons would have been planted by the Colombian Intelligence Agency, probably working with elements of the CIA or CIA assets.
CIA assets that have humanitarian aid companies.
Who are able to get USAID funding and who have, you know, sea land containers that can ship anything they want to to Colombia and to Venezuela, who have made representations to me as such, who have talked about meeting CIA and working with individuals in the CIA by name.
Can you connect the involvement of Juan Cruz and Gina Haspel, maybe to that operation, or what parts of it do you think they were involved with this sabotage?
So it's not only the invitation of the weapons, it seems to go deeper than that.
The biggest, the weapons are whatever.
I think there were Venezuelans who were sending weapons.
But the reality is, for that phase of the operation, it was a link-up.
Weapons were irrelevant.
I mean, really, it was going to be a handful of guys shaking hands with some generals inside of Venezuela.
I mean, this whole notion that we were going to invade and do this, you know, insertion or take out Maduro with dudes, it's ridiculous.
But in terms of the large sabotage, that was when they pulled Cliver Alcala, and they put Cliver Alcala on the wanted poster next to Maduro.
And can you explain, that's the general that you were dealing with directly?
So general Cliver Alcala is a reason that I could develop all of these powerful contacts inside Venezuela next to Maduro.
Obviously, the CIA knew that, and the opposition government knew that.
They knew that this was not going to be that hard to A lift, because really it wasn't any forces of mine that were doing anything.
I didn't need weapons to do anything.
This was going to be a simple military coup.
Something that you've seen in Bolivia, I think it was in 2020. Same sort of thing that Chavez did to take Venezuela in the first place.
It was a very easy lift.
Essentially what happened was once they pulled my general, once whoever in the State Department, Mike Pompeo probably decides to pull General Alcala.
My men were already committed, right?
It's like Shakespeare.
I've waited in blood so deep that the turn back now would be the gravest of errors.
So now my men are embedded in Colombia, on the Colombian border in Venezuela, and the ELN are hunting them.
The ELN have been tipped off by Ivan Duque, or whoever, whoever they used to tip off the ELN, saying, these guys are here to attack you.
And now the ELN are hunting my men.
The U.S. government at that point, the State Department, puts...
Clever Alcala on a list next to Maduro.
Clever Alcala is the strongest opponent of Nicolas Maduro.
So to put him on a list and say that he's a narco-trafficker is insanity.
So the reality is they do this, so Guido and probably Haspel and Pence do this, and they okay it, to tank the operation and to cause confusion inside Venezuela.
So the operation, you know, it's really over before it starts.
And my guys are stuck there.
I know you sent us over quite a bit of media.
My question would be, is there any of that media that supports your allegations that you'd like to pull up now that might be really interesting for the audience?
I think the perfect piece of media is the secret.
There's a secret audio file that the government has had this whole time that they have not presented yet.
And they're not aware that you actually have this audio file.
It was on one of my drives that they seized, so they must...
I think that, I'm not sure.
I mean, they got it from a third party.
What is that media number, do you know, Jordan?
Yeah, it's media number five.
So this is an audio clip.
Give me the basis for what we're playing here.
What is this?
So this, in Bogota, Colombia, I had one of my guys do a secret audio recording of Lester Toledo and George Betancourt, another CIA asset.
And they're talking about meeting with the CIA, working with Juan Cruz, Gina Haskell's guy.
And they're talking about shipping guns.
They're talking about, you know, we don't trust Donald Trump.
We're not going to work with Donald Trump.
Now, is this in English or Spanish?
This is Spanish, but I've provided some loose subtitles.
Some subtitles, okay.
So some closed captioned subtitles, okay.
Let's go ahead and play the clip and then you can kind of give us the breakdown.
Gentlemen, we're unfortunately, we're almost out of time. we're unfortunately, we're almost out of time.
So I'm going to ask you guys to kind of summarize this shocking story for us.
I'm going to throw this back to you Lance and then Jordan for his final comments.
You know, my take is the timeline of when the DOJ actually brings charges against Jordan.
Of course, the operation was exposed and failed in 2020. We're talking about 2024 when all of a sudden here comes the DOJ with an indictment, even to the point that the judge in the hearing in court says, what is this?
Why is this four and a half years later?
Why are we even here?
And my take is, or four years later, my take is that since the operation and they couldn't get that photo op in the very beginning with Donald Trump, he clearly probably didn't have knowledge of this operation.
I believe that the players that are involved, Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, Gina Haspel, and Mike Pence, clearly we know that they have all along wanted to find an operation, including the Russian collusion hoax that they used against you yourself, Roger.
They have created and falsified narratives.
My take as being a guy that actually did some of the contracting work years ago, you know, this is classic.
Jordan Goudreau has been created to be the fall guy.
They even planned on using it, I believe, when the re-election came around.
That's why the DOJ went into overdrive with Jordan, hoping that they could somehow use this to discredit Donald Trump and try to tie him into it, even though I don't believe he had knowledge.
Although I do believe that the government had full knowledge of this event, at least in the darker circles around Donald Trump, the people that we never trust.
I never trust Mike Pompeo.
I didn't like Gina Haspel.
I didn't like Mike Pence from the very beginning.
And I think this reeks of their signature.
No, absolutely.
I mean, I have all the receipts.
I know we have limited time, but I've read it in black and white and all the names that keep coming up in all of this stuff.
It's just going to keep getting crazier and crazier the more discovery I get.
This was an obvious attempt to really stop the president from getting a win in Venezuela and to just keep raking in the USAID money.
Roger, I'd like to hear what you think.
Obviously, we need more time.
This is shocking material you brought to us, Lance.
Jordan, we thank you for your time.
Here is my suggestion.
Troy Smith has a very popular show on Rumble, also at WorldviewTube.
I think a longer explanation and layout of the show, perhaps Troy can host you over on his show, which is really taking off, getting huge number of views.
Unfortunately, we today have to head for the exits because we're limited on time.
So let me thank our guest today, Lance Migliaccio.
If you're not watching the Big Mig show, you're really missing out.
Lance, where can people see your show?
Yeah, of course, on Rumble, locals, those are my home base, as always.
I stream to other platforms, but my priority is always Rumble.
And Jordan, you are a patriot.
We know you're under fire.
We want to do anything we possibly can to help you as you reveal the continued misdeeds of the deep state.
I want to thank you for being with us today.
Thank you, Mr. Stone.
Appreciate it.
Thank you, guys.
I appreciate the time today.
All right, Troy, I think we have to wrap this up.
This is obviously a huge story, bigger than we can cover in the time that we have.
So I would encourage you to get Lance and Jordan over to your great show.
Troy, tell people where they can see your show.
Roger, thank you very much for the opportunity to plug here.
Any social media platform you can find, just type in Slingshot News, you'll see clips of the show.
If you want to catch the full show every day, you can see us on Rumble.
You can also see us on X every day.
I really appreciate it, Roger.
It's always an honor to be here.
All right.
We got to head for the exits here.
On behalf of Troy and myself, I want to thank you for joining us today in the Stone Zone.
Until tomorrow, God bless you and Godspeed.
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