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The Stone Zone with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times best-selling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone!
Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.
Only days ago, the U.S.
Congress reauthorized the FISA program for an intelligence security court, which essentially Theoretically, it is designed to allow the government to surveil foreign terrorists.
But in the Russian collusion hoax, we saw the FISA court system abused to spy on President Donald Trump's campaign.
Specifically, a FISA warrant was applied for and approved on a man named Carter Page, was working on issues for Donald Trump's campaign.
Carter Page joins us today in the Stone Zone to talk about this and other things, but to join me in welcoming him is my everyday co-host, Troy Smith, the Editor-in-Chief of Slingshot.News.
Troy, welcome back in to the Zone.
Roger, it's a historical day here on the Stone Zone.
Proud to be here, as always.
We are really honored to have our guest today, and it could not be more timely.
Carter Page was gracious enough to be on my 77 WABC radio show last weekend.
It was the biggest show we've ever had, with one exception.
President Donald Trump had a larger audience, but Carter Page joins us now.
Roger, thank you so much for your kind introduction.
It's great to have our third conversation.
This week is the first time since, as we recently discussed, since 2016 that I've had the chance to join you.
And so it's great to be with you and great to meet Troy as well.
2016, Carter and I met at a book signing in the Upper East Side of Manhattan.
Little did we know that both of our names would ultimately go down in history in the greatest single dirty trick in American political history, the largest single abuse of power in which the Obama administration, with the full compliance and involvement of Vice President Joe Biden, used the full authority of the United States government and the
Incredible capabilities of our intelligence services utilizing what they knew was fraudulent evidence, the Steele dossier, and the false allegation that the DNC had been hacked by Russian intelligence to rationalize a completely illegitimate and illegal effort to remove a duly elected president.
Troy, did I get that about right?
I mean, this is the largest dirty trick in American history.
So, because the attention span of the American people is so short, I thought it would be useful at the top to just walk through, Carter, exactly what happened to you.
Troy has reviewed the application they made for the FISA warrant on you.
Then I'd like to talk about how you feel about the fact that the Congress has renewed the program without major revision, and we'll talk some politics.
So that's a good starting point.
Carter, tell folks how you hooked up with the Trump campaign and exactly what happened to you.
Well, Roger, it was really the greatest honor of my life that I was given the opportunity to just volunteer as a, you know, a junior person on a just an incredible foreign policy slash national security team.
I volunteered in late 2015 and then You know, not too long later, in March of 2016, President Trump, then candidate Trump, announced in a Washington Post editorial board meeting that myself and, you know, several others would be announced in a Washington Post editorial board meeting that myself and, you know, several others would be would have the opportunity to help
So it was it was really some of the most amazing people I've ever worked with in my life.
And, you know, again, I was just, you know, one one guy who had done many billions of dollars of international transactions and had served in the military for many years.
But, you know, by comparison to some of my colleagues who also had the opportunity to do so, such as General Keith Kellogg and several other generals and retired admirals, I I was you know, it was just an incredible working group, but little did we know as you're as you're also alluding to a lot of a lot of dirty tricks would start happening Very soon thereafter.
So, they decided to illegally surveil you.
I'm not really clear on what their probable cause was.
You were working with President Trump and his campaign, then candidate Trump and his campaign, on foreign policy issues, which is the area of your expertise.
Well, a lot of it is kind of a repeat of what you see on the news every day, Roger, which is one Russia hoax after another.
You know, these made-up stories by both, you know, operatives related to the U.S.
government on the one hand, And then driven by the fake news media, which is constantly rolling out one conspiracy theory after another about how anyone that does not support the party line is by definition a agent of a foreign power or a Russian agent.
So it's just It's just deja vu all over again, which goes directly to your point in terms of this most recent FISA renewal, which just happened only a few weeks ago.
So it's repeat after repeat, lie after lie, and dirty trick after dirty trick, and it only gets worse over time.
Troy, you have reviewed the application that was made to the FISA court.
Tell us about that.
Well, you know, Roger, it's a pretty astounding document.
I just want to say, you know, Mr. Page, it's an honor to be able to speak with you and ask you questions about this, because I view this, as Roger does, and I know so many people, as a pivotal moment in American history.
It's the moment, really, when government becomes weaponized against a candidate for really, not the first time, but I think in the most egregious sense.
And while I was reviewing this document, You know, they make some pretty hefty allegations about you, and you know this, you obviously read it yourself.
They claim in this that you were actually working on behalf of the Russian government, that you've been an unregistered agent of the Russian government for some time.
And they also allege, and this to me just seemed to be the most ridiculous claim in the whole thing, they claimed actually that you were going and talking to Russian government officials and actually getting them to commit and getting the Trump campaign to commit to allowing Russian aggression in Ukraine.
Now, that's just what the document says.
I'd like you to comment on that because they've actually made this allegation against you and in every sense where we actually get the facts of the document and we actually get the facts of the matter in this document, it's blurred out.
It's redacted and we don't get to see the full document.
Could you comment on them saying that you were actually meeting with the Russians and getting things and favors for the Russians with the Trump campaign?
Well, the funny part about it is, Troy, it's literally the opposite of the case.
And what's interesting about it is, while the Democrats were, at the same time, that same year, in 2016, were spending over a million dollars In terms of campaign finance violations and actually hiring foreign spies with ties to Russian intelligence, I was actually working for our government.
Again, I'm a U.S.
Naval Academy graduate.
I had worked I've been working closely with the intelligence community since my time in the Navy and in the years since, and have only been supporting the U.S.
government.
And most recently, since getting out of the Navy, I was never paid one cent.
Not a cent to support our government.
I was a, similar to trying to help the Trump campaign, I was just a volunteer trying to serve my country and help make America better.
But unfortunately, it was, you know, the dirty tricksters in Washington and in the political powers that be were just trying to interfere with US elections and to work against honorable, hardworking, proud citizens of the United States.
Well, it's – no, I was just going to say, and I think the most salacious part of this whole thing is that they've actually used this – and I've seen the media interviews with you, sir – They actually say that it's all about you.
It's not about the Trump campaign.
This was not a ploy to spy on the Trump campaign.
It was all about Carter Page.
What do you have to say about that?
Because it seems to me pretty ridiculous.
Well, the most ridiculous thing about it, Troy, is that it's not just then.
It's a repeat of what you see Time and time again, almost once a week or more, sometimes more frequently, as you and Roger were alluding to with the most recent renewal of the FISA statute in terms of the 702 program, which is part of it.
They just make up these lies and anyone that does not stick with the party line that we have to be a constant war with Russia or constant state of aggression, then you must by definition be compromised or working as a Russian agent or an agent of a foreign power.
So it's just...
It's so ridiculous on the face, particularly after we've learned this, the hard way, after all the abusive process, all the judicial abuses throughout the last eight plus years, it only continues and it only seems to get worse.
At least for the time being.
We'll see what happens come this November and beginning next January, but at least so far, it's just a complete and utter joke.
You know, the most amazing thing about this, and Troy, I think you looked at this, is not only did they grant the application for the FISA warrant, but they renewed it multiple times long after they knew that Carter Page was not an agent of the Russian government.
Carter Page was not having conversations about Trump policy in Ukraine.
Post election, this whole thing seemed to be an effort to, once you surveil Carter Page, you see, under the FISA law, you're allowed to surveil anybody Carter Page is talking to, which would include other U.S.
citizens, perhaps others involved in the campaign.
I did enjoy watching The interview in which Donald Trump asserted to Leslie Stahl of CBS that they spied on my campaign and they got caught, and she kept insisting, there's no proof of that.
We can't prove that.
No, we absolutely, positively can prove that.
That is an undisputed fact, but the media still doesn't want to talk about it.
We're going to go to a quick commercial break, but when we come back, The question I'm interested in is why none of the House Republicans invited Carter Page to testify in a hearing regarding their decision to renew the FISA warrant program.
We're going to talk about that when we get right back.
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Welcome back.
I'm Roger Stone.
If you're just tuning in, we're here with Carter Page.
Carter Page is a man whose name went down in history.
Because he became the focal point of the Russian collusion hoax.
We now know, based on the report that took five long years by special counsel John Durham, that there was no evidence whatsoever of Russian collusion with Donald Trump's campaign for president.
Sadly, Mr. Durham never addressed the question of the
Alleged hack of the Democratic National Committee by Russian intelligence, allegedly an online hack, but the FBI admitted in my trial in pre-discovery that they had never actually inspected the computer servers of the DNC and that they had relied entirely on the third-party claims of a company called CrowdStrike.
Who maintained that the DNC had been the target of an online hack by Russian actors.
Later, when he testified under oath before the House Intelligence Committee, Sean Henry, who just happens to be a former deputy to FBI Director Robert Mueller, but now is the head of CrowdStrikes, admitted that his report for the DNC
So, you have three things going on at once here.
You have the Steele dossier, which FBI General Counsel Andrew Weissman, later the de facto head of the Mueller investigation, knows is a fraud.
You have the allegations of a Trump Tower meeting with a Russian woman lawyer who is indeed actually working for Fusion GPS, who gives the Trump campaign no information of any value, no information on which they act.
It appears that just the meeting itself was a setup.
And then, of course, the false claim that they repeat over and over again.
that Paul Manafort gave proprietary poll information while he was Trump's campaign manager to a man named Konstantin Kalimnik to pass on to the Russians or Vladimir Putin or whatever.
There's two problems with this.
First of all, the Trump campaign had no proprietary polling information at this time.
They had not yet gone into the field to begin polling for the general election.
So therefore, any polling that Mr. Manafort and Mr. Kalimnik may have discussed would have been public information about But secondarily, as the investigative journalist Matt Taibbi has pretty much demonstrated, Konstantin Kalimnick is not a Russian intelligence asset.
If anything, he's more likely an American intelligence asset.
So all of these stools of the Russian collusion hoax are bogus.
The Steele dossier, which claimed falsely that Donald Trump had cavorted with prostitutes in Moscow when visiting in his pre-presidential days, is a complete fabrication.
The, uh, the idea that Carter Page was an active agent for the Russians and that he was negotiating post-election policy, uh, for, uh, for Ukraine and Russia, that's also a falsehood.
Uh, the claim that the Russians hacked the DNC, uh, which the intelligence agency still cling to, Never having to put up any proof or evidence whatsoever, and with all the forensic evidence disproving that, the Russian collusion hoax is in tatters.
But Carter, the problem is, wait a few days and they'll just come back and recycle it all again.
It doesn't matter how rebutted, how discredited, how disproved any of their nonsense is.
They're right back to it almost immediately.
Troy, your thoughts?
Well, Roger, you know, one of the things that I reviewed here in this document, which is, you know, I would encourage everybody to review this because it's so important.
One of the things that they make, and it's a shocking claim, and as you say, Roger, every aspect of this has been debunked, and I think this adds something to it, and I want to get Mr. Page's comments on this.
One of the connections that they claim in this, the first application to grant the FISA warrant to spy on him, the first application states that one of Mr. Page, your ties to Russia was through Gazprom, which is a Russian energy company.
Of course, you have an energy background, so that's just mentioned in there.
And I thought it was interesting that during Trump's presidency, he blocked Gazprom from being able to build the Nord Stream pipeline.
But then when Joe Biden took office, Gazprom was actually able to complete this pipeline in September of 2021.
So I wanted to get your comments on that, because it seems to me, on its face, they're making the argument that you assisted Trump Well, there's so much to unwrap, both with that, Troy, but also the great points that Roger mentioned as well.
Again, going back to what we were speaking about earlier, I had helped the U.S.
government, the intelligence agencies, both CIA and FBI, frankly speaking.
Uh, I can, I can reveal now, um, with providing insights about, you know, the inner workings of these organizations because, you know, I had served as an advisor kind of, you know, working on, uh, several billion dollars of, of deals with these, uh, publicly traded companies, which, uh, I actually attended a, uh, I'm actually not far from Wall Street right now and, you know, went to a event at the New York Stock Exchange.
You know, it was a, you know, the American depository receipts for Gazprom were, at least back then, traded on the New York Stock Exchange for U.S.
investors.
But you know, again, we are always trying to, you know, balance both sides.
And, you know, understanding what's going on internally, but balancing risks and having a serious assessment.
And that serious assessment is precisely the opposite of the one-sided Russia hoax-related lie upon lie upon lie that the US intelligence community has been pushing since the first term of the Obama-Biden administration.
Back, which ended, thank God, in early 2017.
But again, there's just so many elements to this and it's such a deep, complicated story.
But the more you look at it, exactly as you're alluding to, Troy, The worst it gets.
And let me just touch on briefly, you know, one of the points that, you know, Roger had been speaking about.
And, you know, it relates to the, you know, the technologies and spying and, you know, digging deeper into, you know, every aspect of a person's life.
It's like 1984.
But again, as I've been saying, It only gets worse and worse, because as we know from anyone who uses an iPhone or a computer like I'm speaking to you on now, you know that technology gets better and better.
And so as these technological capabilities get better, these big tech companies, which as you know, Unfortunately, it only gets worse.
the U.S. intelligence community and often working for political objectives in conjunction with the Democrats.
Unfortunately, it only gets worse.
And again, the level of extreme abuses that have been committed throughout this process, we could go on for days talking about that.
And I did want to just very briefly, there's, again, a lot to discuss, but with respect to the great commercial during the last commercial break with the Flynn movie.
Again, he's just another, I know Roger was at that premiere down in Florida not too long ago.
And it's another perfect example of someone whose life was turned upside down by these extreme abuses, by elements of the U.S. government.
government.
Carter, I'm curious.
Were you surprised that no one among the House Republicans asked you to come testify when they were considering renewing the FISA program?
Roger, that was another point.
Again, there's so much to talk about.
This is the first time I've ever spoken about this, and I have to admit, Again, it was a very great disappointment with the result of that FISA reauthorization, unfortunately, just a couple of weeks ago.
And I've never talked about this before, but frankly speaking, again, I've always tried to be a behind the scenes, you know, helping out, serving my country where I can, but not looking to be in the spotlight.
And frankly speaking, I had been invited By the House Judiciary Committee to come speak about that.
But my thought, similar to what you're alluding to, is that this FISA bill and FISA reauthorization is definitely going to get reformed.
I mean, it's such a no-brainer.
It's obvious, given all the abuses against President Trump, myself, each of us with the FISA abuse.
All of the lessons learned, as has been brought out by the U.S.
Department of Justice Inspector General, reports related to the ongoing FISA abuse, not just for the handful of us like President Trump, myself, you, Roger, and a handful of others, but literally over 270,000 innocent Americans just over the last couple of years who have Have also been negatively impacted by the FISA abuse.
So I never thought it was going to be necessary.
I always try to keep a low profile, particularly after all the death threats I faced.
And so I assumed that it was going to go forward.
But in retrospect, frankly speaking, and again, I've never spoken with anyone about this before,
But I definitely wish that I had made the trip back to the Washington swamp and gone to testify and pushed harder on this because it's just a crying shame, all of the continued abuses which have been allowed to move forward as this terrible legislation from the Carter administration is once again reauthorized.
All right, we have about a little less than two minutes, so this will be our final question.
I'm interested, Carter, in the personal impact on you.
I can tell you in my case, being the target of the witch hunt, my wife and I lost everything.
We lost our home, our savings, most of our insurance, my ability to make a living.
I was gagged for almost two years, was unable to defend myself in public.
I made my living writing and speaking.
I wasn't allowed to do that.
My travel was restricted.
It was really turned our lives upside down.
How did this affect you personally?
I would say in short, Roger, I know we're short on time, but essentially exactly the same.
And again, as we've been talking about, it only seems to get worse and worse.
And watching President Trump in the courtroom yesterday here in Lower Manhattan, With him and his family, including Eric Trump, they are sitting right behind him.
It's just entirely reminiscent, and it's such a crying shame that it has only gotten worse and worse as the Obama-Biden regime continues to roll out these terrible election interference campaigns against both President Trump and literally millions of Americans.
All right, I'm afraid we have to leave it there.
I want to thank our guest, Carter Page, a man whose name will go down in history.
I am among those who is deeply disappointed in Speaker Johnson, who cast the tie-breaking vote to renew the FISA program without at least substantial amendment to protect the civil liberties of Americans.
Carter Page, thank you so much for joining us today on The Stone Zone.
Thank you, Roger, and thank you, Troy.
It's a real pleasure to be with you.
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We have a few more minutes left here today.
President Donald Trump goes yet again to another day in trial.
Late yesterday, the judge fined Trump $9,000 for Nine individual violations of his unconstitutional gag order, and then the judge set a deadline by which Trump was required to remove certain posts from his Truth Social page.
I was watching intently to see whether he would do so by the deadline, and he did.
Interestingly, among those things that he was ordered to take down was a letter signed by Stormy Daniels several years ago in which she said that they had never had a relationship and that all of the allegations regarding the two of them were false.
Trump was ordered to take the copy of that letter which he had posted at Truth Social Down.
This entire trial Is it travesty?
I mean, it seems to get worse by the day.
What's the latest that you have seen out of New York?
Well, I've been monitoring this case pretty closely, Roger, and what I see is a judge that's just gone rogue.
I mean, these people have gone literally berserk, and you, as somebody who's been a veteran of, I believe, 13 different presidential campaigns throughout the years, you can speak to this, Roger, better than anybody.
The idea that we have a presidential candidate, the nominee for a major party, heading into a general election being gagged, Not being allowed to talk about things that I believe are truthfully relevant.
I mean, and this is the bait and switch, Roger.
This is the Pelosi smear that we hear so much about that we've talked about here.
The media gets to go out there and say whatever they want about President Trump.
They can make any allegation.
They've accused him of rape.
They've accused him of all kinds of crazy things that there's no evidence of or to support that he committed any of these crimes that they accused him of.
And yet he's not allowed to post a letter in which Stormy Daniels admits that there was no relationship between the two of them.
So I'd like you to comment just as a veteran of all these presidential campaigns, Roger, how out of the ordinary is it that you have a gag order in place for a candidate for president And on top of that, the idea that they're tying Trump's hands behind his back and not allowing him to speak while the media does whatever they want and paints him however they want in this case, it seems eerily similar to the situation you were put into.
Troy, exactly.
I mean, the point, of course, is that Michael Cohen or Stormy Daniels can attack Trump at will, and they're doing so.
I think Michael Cohen is actually doing it for money online.
The prosecutors can leak Which they do incessantly against Trump, but Trump is not allowed to defend himself.
It seems un-American to me.
It seems completely unfair.
The good news is, well, the American people see through it.
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If you're just tuning in, I'm Roger Stone, and you're here yet again in the Stone Zone.
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We've come a very, very long way in a short period of time.
Yes, yes we have, Roger.
And I remember when we first started doing these or first came on board here.
You know, I look back at those days and I look at the viewers we have now.
It's just astounding.
And the level of guests, you know, to be able to talk to a Carter Page, Roger, I mean, there's no understating how unbelievable that is and the importance of that man and what he's been through in U.S.
history and how this all ties in to President Donald Trump, who I believe is probably the most important historical figure in the last 100 years, at least, maybe in American political history.
So to go through this entire thing, to watch the guests come in here and to be hitting things across the country, it's an honor.
And it's just another reason why people out there need to be subscribed to the show, need to watch the show every day, because I don't think – I've watched a lot of the other shows, Roger.
subscribe to the show, need to watch the show every day because I don't think – I've watched a lot of the other shows, Roger.
I've watched a lot of the other interviews because we obviously have to cross-reference things and obviously have to research before we have guests on.
I've watched a lot of the other interviews because we obviously have to cross-reference things and obviously have to research before we have guests on.
And I don't think – and there's any place else on the web or on television or radio for that matter where they can get the kind of content they get here at the Stone Zone.
I think it's very important.
And as we were touching on really before we went to the break there, Roger, President Trump is being put through the ringer in New York City.
And he's being put through – he's really having his hands tied behind his back.
He's not allowed to respond to what's being leaked out by the attorneys.
And Michael Cohen, who, by the way, is on TikTok, as you said, accepting money for putting out information about President Trump.
There's a huge problem there.
But I'd like to get your comment on on because you obviously are friends with the president and you speak to him from time to time.
How is he doing in the midst of all this?
He's not sitting back and kind of contemplating.
It looks to me like he's constantly on the attack.
He's constantly moving forward.
How do you perceive the president is handling this onslaught of legal trouble he's going through right now?
Well, Troy, I spoke to him a couple nights ago.
It has always been my policy for 45 years not to discuss the specifics of any conversation I have with Donald Trump.
So the actual specifics of those conversations remain confidential.
But I can tell you that he's stoic.
He is determined.
He's resolute.
He's a little angry, but I think he has every right to be angry because No other previous president has been treated this way.
He's well aware of the fact that as the judge in the documents case unredacts more and more that special counsel Jack Smith wants hidden, that that whole thing looks like a frame job.
It looks like the GSA and the National Archives shipped him a pallet of boxes of documents that he didn't ask for.
And then once they confirmed that they had arrived at Mar-a-Lago, reported that Trump was in illegal possession of the very documents they said.
This is a setup.
The president's lawyers argue that under the Presidential Documents Act, that he's entitled to do anything he wants with his documents, the documents of his presidency.
He can decide what goes back to the government, what he gets to keep.
Now, Judge Amy Berman Jackson, I just happen to have been the judge in my case.
She ruled for President Bill Clinton, saying that Bill Clinton could essentially do whatever he wants with his presidential documents, including keeping them in the sock drawer at his home.
So why that is not the governing law here is kind of a mystery to me.
Trump is not charged for some violation of the Presidential Records Act.
And the government claims that that's not the governing law.
They have actually charged him under the Espionage Act, although the false claims of Trump has got the nuclear codes, he's keeping them at Mar-a-Lago, he's going to sell them to the Chinese, he's going to sell them to the Russians.
That's what they call the wrap-up smear that Nancy Pelosi is so very good at.
Make up a lie.
Get somebody in the mainstream media to write it as if it's a fact, then point to that story and say, ah, you see, it's true because USA Today reported it or Yahoo News reported it.
Therefore, it must be true.
And then as Nancy Pelosi says, merchandise it and continue to push it.
This is the exact format that they use.
And right now, I think what you've got is hysteria, actual apoplexy, because it's very unlikely, lawyers tell me, that either the Florida documents case or the D.C.
case involving election interference brought by Jack Smith, which is the election interference itself, they tell me is unlikely at this point, given the Supreme Court's Deliberate due process that they have afforded President Trump, that either one of those cases will get to trial before the election.
And that's the point.
In New York, they don't really care if a conviction that they win with a crooked judge and a rigged jury and by prohibiting Trump from defending himself and by limiting what defenses he can offer.
They don't care if they get a conviction and that conviction is later overturned on appeal because, you see, the election will be over by then.
All they care about is getting a conviction, any conviction in any jurisdiction, and this is the one they're down to.
Now, as you know, the U.S. attorney looked at this case in the Southern District of New York, rejected it as finding no violation of the law.
The Federal Election Commission investigated it.
So it is a lynching, is what it is.
It is an outrageous process.
And all that we can do right now, Troy, I do this every night, is pray that there is just one juror, just one reasonable, honest, non-political juror, We'll look at the facts presented by Trump's lawyers and refuse to convict, and then this nightmare will be over.
All right, I'm afraid we are out of time, and therefore we've got to move on down the road.
On behalf of myself, Roger Stone, and my co-host, Troy Smith, thank you for joining us today on The Stone Zone.
Until tomorrow, God bless you and Godspeed.
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