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The Stone Zone with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times best-selling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone!
Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.
This would be what my good friend Alex Jones would call an emergency broadcast.
That's because my co-host Troy Smith and I have uncovered the plot to take control of the House of Representatives from the Republicans and hand it to the Democrats in order to pass legislation invited by the Supreme Court in their Colorado decision that would have the effect of barring Donald Trump from being elected president or actually being on the ballot.
You might have heard the Republicans are close to losing their lead in the House.
This worry gets much bigger with news that Congressman Mike Gallagher is stepping down on April 19th.
After he leaves, Republicans will barely have more members than Democrats.
Let us explain why this is important.
There's 435 seats in the House of Representatives.
The Republicans need at least 218 members to control the House.
If there's a tie with each party having 217 and one person is theoretically an independent, that person has a lot of power.
So, what is the situation today?
Well, Republicans currently have 219 seats.
Democrats have 213 seats.
When Ken Buck, a Republican, leaves his job on Friday, the Colorado Republican has resigned, that will leave the Republicans at 218 members.
After Gallagher leaves, that will leave the Republicans at 217.
Now, there's going to be an election in one of the Democrats' seats, which is empty, on April 30th.
That will add another Democrat to the House.
By the end of April, Republicans will have 217 members and Democrats will have 214.
It seems like Republicans have a slight edge with three more members than Democrats, but 217 plus 214 is 431, not a total of 435.
That means that 217 votes are needed to get anything done, showing how important it is and also unlikely that all Republicans will stick together.
A few Republicans obviously are not copacetic with the America First agenda.
The bad news for Republicans is that Gallagher is leaving when it's too late to have a quick vote to replace him.
That means his seat will be empty, a loss for the Republicans.
According to Wisconsin law, if he resigns before the second Tuesday in April, a special election would be held to replace him and bring in likely another Republican from this heavily red district.
But if he resigns as planned, his seat will remain vacant until after the November election.
If there is any good news, it is that there will be three special elections in May and June to fill some empty Republican seats, which would be good if the Republicans can manage to win them.
But this helps only until June, if Republicans do not stay united, or if Uh, even one or two members break away, Democrats could take over control of the House, uh, and pass the resolution put forward by Jamie Raskin that would bar Donald Trump from being on the ballot this November.
The Senate, controlled by Democrats, 51-49, would simply pass, uh, this killer, uh, piece of legislation.
Now the Supreme Court actually invited this in their Colorado ballot access decision when they said that the Congress could pass legislation barring Trump from the ballot on the basis of the claim that he had participated in an insurrection.
My co-host Troy Smith and I dug into this all weekend.
Troy, welcome on to the Stone Zone.
Tell us what you found out about who's behind this nefarious plot to ban Donald Trump from the ballot.
Roger, thank you.
As always, it's an honor to be here in the Stone Zone, and we released the definitive piece on this on Slingshot News.
I just want to thank everybody out there for sharing the piece.
It's got tremendous pickup nationwide.
Different people are picking it up and talking about it, and I think it's super important.
Now, that article, Roger, as we were talking this weekend and we were kind of going over what's happening in the house as you just laid out there, I immediately said to myself, I guarantee you that those people are funded by Paul Singer, the people that are retiring early, the people that are leaving, that have left office already.
So I started going down the list of names.
Now, Roger, there's 14 Republicans in total that have decided that they're not going to run for re-election in 2024.
Now, those include Patrick McHenry and others who have kind of said, well, you know, we're not running.
Greg Pence is another one.
We're not running for re-election.
So I did some research on those 14 and I found that six of them have taken donations and many over several years from billionaire hedge fund manager Paul Singer.
Now, Paul Singer is somebody that I've covered in the past, Roger, because he has Been an anti-Trump influence since the very beginning of Donald Trump's candidacy.
As you can see on the screen right now, in 2016 Paul Singer dumped two and a half million dollars into a PAC called Our Principals that then turned around and handed the money to Marco Rubio.
Now whatever you think about Marco Rubio, at the time he was one of the most formidable challengers to President Trump.
So funding his campaign Made it seem like, okay, well, we can challenge Trump.
We can make sure he never gets the RNC nomination.
That's Paul Singer.
Then we move on to 2024, Roger, and he's donating extensive amounts of money to Nikki Haley, as you can see on the screen.
He gave $5 million to the SFA fund PAC, which is a Nikki Haley creation, which is basically Nikki Haley's right-hand financial bank.
That's exactly what it is.
And so as you see here on the screen, Roger, the plot by Singer to get Trump has been going for many, many years.
And when you look at what was going on between those elections, you find that Singer was actually responsible for the creation of the research that led to the FISA warrants that were used to spy on President Trump.
Now, I say that because through the Washington Free Beacon, Singer funded the creation of the research used in the Steele dossier that was eventually picked up by Fusion GPS.
So I think the main point here is, Roger, that we have a thread, a long thread of Paul Singer funding efforts to stop Trump.
And it hasn't relented at all.
It didn't stop after 2016.
It didn't stop after 2020.
And it hasn't stopped now.
And as I was kind of examining all of these people's records and looking at the donations, I started to realize that all, basically all of the Republicans minus one that have resigned their position early have also taken donations from Paul Singer.
And I think This is something, as you see on the screen, Kay Granger, Greg Pence, all these people have taken donations from Paul Singer.
And it cannot be understated the level of the insidious nature of Paul Singer and what he's done to cities, countries.
When we talk about gutting the middle America, Roger, when we talk about these companies leaving the United States, Paul Singer is the guy that orchestrates that.
I, as I've stated before, I've always been a big fan of Tucker Carlson.
And one segment that he ran on Singer really actually opened my eyes to this.
I think it was all the way back in 2017.
And I went back and I actually, we found a clip of that.
So I want to ask if we could play that now.
Tucker Carlson digging in to who Paul Singer really is and the damage this guy has done to America.
...has amassed a personal fortune of more than $3 billion.
How has Singer made that money?
We made a lot of it by purchasing sovereign debt from financially distressed countries, countries that were in trouble, usually at a massive discount.
Once a country's economy regained some stability, Singer would bombard his government with lawsuits, a massive public relations campaign originating here in Washington, sometimes, until he made his money back with interest.
The practice is called vulture capitalism, feeding off the carcass of a dying nation.
In some ways, it's not so different from what Singer and his firm, Elliott Management, have done in this country and to this country.
Over the past couple of decades, Elliott Management has made billions by buying large stakes in American companies, then firing workers, driving up short-term share prices, and in some cases taking government bailouts.
Insult to injury.
Bloomberg News once described Singer as, quote, the world's most feared investor.
And that tells you a lot.
No one's even pretending Paul Singer's tactics are good for anyone but Paul Singer and his fund.
Consider the case of Delphi, the automotive parts supplier.
During the last financial crisis, a consortium of hedge funds, including Singer's Elliott Management, purchased Delphi.
With Singer and the other funds at the helm, the company took billions of dollars in government bailouts paid for by you.
Obama's auto czar compared those tactics to extortion.
But they continued anyway.
Once they had the bailout money, the funds moved most of Delphi's jobs overseas and then either cut retiree pensions entirely or shifted the cost to taxpayers.
With later financial commitments at home and cheap factories abroad, Delphi's stock soared.
According to investigative reporter Greg Palast, of the 29 Delphi plants in operation when the hedge fund started buying Delphi's debt, only four were still operating in the United States by 2012.
That means tens of thousands of unionized and white-collar workers lost their jobs.
Paul Singer's hedge fund cashed out for more than a billion dollars.
See how that works?
Well, some countries, including the United Kingdom, have banned this kind of behavior.
It bears no resemblance whatsoever to the capitalism we were promised in school.
It creates nothing.
It destroys entire cities.
It couldn't be uglier or more destructive.
So why is it still allowed in the United States?
The short answer?
Because people like Paul Singer have tremendous influence over our political process.
Singer himself was the second largest donor to the Republican Party in 2016.
He's given millions to a super PAC that supports Republican senators.
You may never have heard of Paul Singer, which tells you a lot in itself, but in Washington, he is rock star famous.
And that may be why he's almost certainly paying a lower effective tax rate than your average fireman.
Just in case you're still wondering if our system is rigged.
Oh yeah, it is.
Tonight we want to tell you a little more about how Paul Singer does business.
The story begins in a small town called Sydney, Nebraska, population 6,282.
Two hours outside Denver, Sydney is the longtime home of the sporting goods retailer Cabela's, which sells fishing and hunting gear.
In October of 2015, Singer's hedge fund disclosed an 11% stake in Cabela's and set about pushing the board to sell the company.
Cabela's management, apparently fearing a long and costly fight with Singer, announced it would look for a buyer.
Now, at the time, Cabela's was a relatively healthy company.
It was posting nearly $2 billion a year in gross profits off $4 billion in revenue.
There didn't seem to be any immediate need to sell, but Cabela's sold anyway after being pushed.
So one year after Singer entered the equation, Bass Pro Shops announced the purchase of Cabela's.
The company's stock price surged.
Within a week, literally a week, Paul Singer cashed out.
He bought the stock for $38 a share.
He sold it for $63 a share.
His hedge fund made at least $90 million up front, and likely more over time.
But in Sydney, Nebraska, it was a very different story.
The residents of Sydney did not get rich.
Oh no, just the opposite.
Their community was devastated, destroyed.
The town lost nearly 2,000 jobs.
A heartbreakingly familiar cascade began.
People left, property values collapsed, and then people couldn't leave.
They were trapped there.
One of the last thriving small towns in this country went under.
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Today we are exposing the plot by a group of rhinos to turn over control of the U.S. House of Representatives to the Democrats before November so that they can pass a resolution sponsored by Congressman Jamie Raskin that declares Trump to be an insurrectionist and thus, if also passed by the Senate, which the Democrats control, bar Trump from the ballot.
The mathematics of this are not good as the Republican margin has continued to dwindle.
There are a number of empty seats, as my co-host Troy Smith has outlined.
Troy, this goes a little further now.
So we've identified the financier of this effort.
It is Paul Singer.
It just happens that he is a major donor to all of these Republicans who have quit.
In the meantime, you've also identified another perp in this action, and it's none other than Kevin McCarthy.
Absolutely, Roger.
And if you examine the donations, there's nobody that Paul Singer has donated more to than Kevin McCarthy in the last few years.
He's given him over $1.8 million, dating back to 2020.
million dollars dating back to 2020.
If you go back to 2019, Roger, it's over 2 million.
Kevin McCarthy has received hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars from Paul Singer in recent months.
And And now he's doing a media tour, Roger, where he is saying, oh, well, the Republicans lost the majority.
He told Jesse Waters of Fox News this.
The Republicans lost the majority when they removed me as speaker.
If that doesn't sound like a vindictive statement, I don't know what does, and I think it points towards what McCarthy's role in all of this is.
The singer-funded Republicans are leaving the House, Roger.
They're retiring, or they're not running for re-election, because if the Democrats are able to regain control of the House of Representatives before the November election, they can pass a law, as you stated, that's already been put on the floor by Jamie Raskin, the swamp rat from Maryland,
Jamie Raskin's bill would prevent Donald Trump from being on the ballot in all 50 states because the Supreme Court ruling, as many have misstated, Roger, it says the states don't have the power to remove somebody from a federal election ballot, but Congress does.
They can actually pass a law that bans somebody from being on the ballot.
Now, Kevin McCarthy is leading a rhino coalition to Get people to leave the House of Representatives to soft kill President Trump's campaign here.
And I think the ultimate goal, Roger, is to make it look like it's the Democrats who are the ones that are trying to remove Trump from the ballot, when really, it's the Republicans simply quitting that will allow it to happen.
The House Republicans are also undermining the President in another way.
They have put forward a proposal that would extend the age of retirement for an individual to get their Social Security benefits.
This is completely and totally at variance and diametrically opposed to the position of Donald J. Trump, who has always said and continues to say that he would not touch anything regarding social security.
That is a death wish.
Remember going into election, which the Democrats and Joe Biden presumably will have unlimited money.
And with unlimited money, you can prop up paid advertising to claim anything you want.
It doesn't have to be true.
So they will say, for example, Donald Trump made abortion illegal in America.
Well, in some states, abortion is banned, but that's not a true statement.
Yes, under Roe v. Wade, the decisions regarding abortion were referred back to the states.
That's not the banning of abortion.
But you wouldn't know that if you listen to any of the rhetoric of Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or any of the Democrats.
Now they will conflate this unless Trump strongly denounces it and the House Republicans drop this stupid idea as a cut to Social Security.
This is a death wish.
This is suicidal.
Somebody here is not thinking.
Well, Roger, and the worst part about this is that it's the American people that get left in the lurch.
It's the American people that get left without a representative.
It's the American people that will suffer under a Hakeem Jeffries house.
And yet, these Republicans that hate Donald Trump, and I have to call them out, Roger, because these people, they pretend like they are supporters of the President, when in actuality, everything they do is a stab in his back.
Everything they do is a knife twisting in the back.
Whether it's the Social Security thing, whether it's this mass retirement sponsored by Paul Singer and led by Kevin McCarthy, every aspect of what the House Republicans are doing right now is the antithesis of what their voter base wants.
The antithesis of what President Donald Trump, the Republican nominee for president, the leader of this party, wants.
And I think, you know, it's just an unbelievable situation.
And the twist, Roger, that will come from the mainstream media is that, oh, what the House Republicans are doing, that's the Trump Republicans.
And I think we need to call that out and say, no, that's a lie.
That's a lie.
And that's why I think also the president needs to come out and condemn what the House Republicans are doing in terms of the mass retirement sponsored by Paul Singer and also with the Social Security aspect, which I think is a brilliant point you raise.
The real tip-off here is to examine the resignation of Mike Gallagher.
Why would Gallagher essentially post-date or predate his resignation specifically at a time that he knows there can be no special election to fill his seat?
He has a solidly red district.
Republicans would definitely win it.
We would not be in this precarious position.
But for some reason, someone has persuaded Gallagher not to resign until April 19th, which under state law makes it too late for an immediate special election.
That's the tip off that this whole thing is nefarious.
That's the tip off that Gallagher is doing this to try to hand over control of the House to Democrats.
Who could have persuaded Congressman Gallagher to do this other than perhaps Kevin McCarthy and Paul Singer?
You heard it here on The Stone Zone.
Troy?
Absolutely, Roger.
And we need to get ahead of this.
We need to get ahead of this right now because there's a couple fronts right now, Roger, where they're closing in on us, the American people.
Congress is closing in on us.
One is with this effort funded by Paul Singer, led by Kevin McCarthy, to ban Donald Trump from the ballot.
Their plan is to cede control of the House to the Democrats so that the Democrats can take Trump off the ballot using the Supreme Court ruling.
Two, the TikTok ban passed by the House of Representatives, which we must add was objected to by Donald Trump.
Trump said, I don't support this bill.
It was passed by the House Republicans and we need our people to go out there and we need them to call their senators and we need them to say no TikTok bill.
You cannot, you cannot ban websites because what that, what that bill really is, Roger, is it's a dark horse that allows the White House to ban sites that they disagree with.
So the Congress has gotten completely out of control and the illusion, you know, they're passing things, Roger, that aren't popular with the Republican base.
They're doing things that aren't popular with the Republican base.
I think we need everybody to call out Mike Gallagher.
He needs to be expelled from the House.
I agree with Marjorie Taylor Greene, who's been calling for that in recent days.
Mike Gallagher should not be allowed to hamstring the entirety of the Republican Party and to interfere in a presidential election by doing what he is doing.
It It is simply criminal and it's robbing 80 plus million Americans of their vote in the next coming election.
It's disgusting, it's a disgrace, and it's completely anti-American.
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The most important of those, of course, would be paper ballots.
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About the nefarious Rhino plot to get enough Republican members to leave the House caucus that we turn control of the House over to Democrats who will then pass a resolution sponsored and written by Congressman Jamie Raskin, the most odious member of Congress that would bar Donald Trump from being on the ballot this November.
If the Senate, controlled by Democrats, 51-49, passed that same resolution, It would be lights out for America.
By the way, this particular move, if you're thinking, well, the courts will never allow that, actually the Supreme Court specifically recommended this course in their Colorado decision that some in Trump world celebrated.
All right, I'm back here with my co-host Troy Smith.
Troy, paper ballots are the answer to America's electoral problems.
Clint Curtis is joining us now.
Introduce our guest.
Absolutely, Roger.
Clint Curtis is a legend as far as election integrity is concerned and paper ballots.
His work has actually led to several countries adapting paper ballots, and he's gone before Congress to testify on this matter.
He's an exceptional person when it comes to election integrity, and it's our honor to bring him in here on The Stone Zone.
Clint Curtis, welcome to The Stone Zone.
Glad to be here, sir.
Well, and it's a fantastic honor to have you here, sir.
So I'd like to, we want to start off here with a short clip that I actually sent to our producers before the show here.
Now this clip, it talks about you being a whistleblower as far as election integrity is concerned in the state of Florida.
And I think it's important that people see this before we have this interview here.
Who did you say you were asked to prepare?
I was asked by Tom Feeney.
That time he was Speaker of the House of Florida.
And he asked you to design a car to Rick and Morty?
Yes.
While he was Speaker of the Florida House?
was asked by Tom Feeney.
At that time, he was speaker of the House of Florida.
And he asked you to design a code to recognize him?
Yes.
While he was speaker of the Florida House?
Yes.
He wanted the source code so that when the manipulation happened, you couldn't see it even if you saw the source code.
This is to control the vote in South Florida.
So I told Reena, you can't do that.
You shouldn't do that.
You know, that'll get you in trouble.
And so, you know, with the bulk of finding out how dishonest Feeney and this company was, it was time for me to leave.
So I quit and moved on.
I've been told that people who assume that a large fraction of the election result may have been affected by a deliberate fraud in the computer are paranoid because in order to do that, you have to have access to thousands of machines.
To understand, is that true?
It depends on the technology you use.
If you did a central tabulation machine and fed in, all you'd have to do is set a flag.
So one person putting in bad code in a central tabulation machine could affect thousands and thousands or tens of thousands of votes?
Right.
And your testimony is under oath?
Yes, sir.
And the testimony you've given is true?
Yes, sir.
Soon after he testified, Clint Curtis passed a lie detector test administered by the retired chief polygraph operator for the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
Curtis, welcome to the Stone Zone.
Governor Ron DeSantis has said that when it comes to elections and their integrity, Florida Well, if you're going to use computers and the gold standard is to cheat, then it might be.
But computers can never be trusted because the way it's set up, the people are blocked out of the election.
You're not allowed to see it, you're not allowed to track it, and now you're not even allowed to complain about it or you're some sort of insurrectionist.
That testimony that I did was 20 years ago, and nothing's been done to make it any better.
Even though everyone knows that computers are hackable and that the systems are very vulnerable, all of our Internals to those machines are actually made in China, and China's been caught a dozen times inserting things into their machines in order to track.
In fact, there was just a recent one where they were actually tracking cranes that they had built so that they knew how much cargo was being offloaded.
And so it's so simple to do, and it's easy to hook up, and they confuse you by trying to Tell you, basically, truths that are lies.
Like, well, the machine's not hooked to the internet.
Well, the internet is not necessary.
All you need is a network.
And if you plug it into a wall, you have a network.
Because that's how we used to network back 20 years ago.
We could network right through the house wiring.
There's also multiple protocols.
You can use Bluetooth.
Bluetooths are good for half a mile now.
They're going to be up to a mile and a half shortly.
Radio waves, 30 miles.
Microwaves, 50 miles, so different ways of making them make that communication, that connection.
And you have to remember that if you set flags, the connection is so small and so tight that you'd never catch it even trying to monitor.
So the only thing you can do if you want a fair election is to get rid of the machines and actually do a hand count that every person is able to watch the ballot Troy?
Well, in that video, sir, you talked about someone actually trying to get you to rig an election, and that was Tom Feeney.
Could you talk about that a little bit?
Because that's just an unbelievable thing, and it's just unbelievable.
Back in 2000, I was working for this company in Oviedo, Florida.
Tom Feeney was Speaker of the Florida House.
Jeb Bush was running mate.
This was the Bush election, if you remember.
And he wanted me to write code, basically the prototype for the electronic voting machines.
But as part of that prototype for the electronic voting machines, he also wanted, so that someone could come up, hit a few invisible buttons, set a flag, and cascade down, and essentially it would influence the whole election.
Which any computer programmer could tell you is very, very easy to do because you are the god of that machine.
You control everything that happens.
You know, some people say, well, we can check the logs.
Well, logs don't exist unless I write them.
We can check ballad images.
There's no such thing as a ballad image.
It's something I have to write as the programmer that takes that, puts it in kind of like a, I don't know, a battleship grid.
You call it an array, and then reproduces it somewhere else.
I can reproduce it as it is, or I can reproduce it any way I want to.
It doesn't make any difference because I own that game.
And he requested that, and I handed it in and said, here it is, and here's why you can never trust computers and what you have to do.
And the head of the company said, no, we're actually going to try and use this, and specifically they named West Palm Beach as an area they were going to use.
Because you don't, in a presidential election, You don't have to win an election.
You just have to reduce the numbers down to where you want them to be.
So let's take the DeSantis election.
He won South Florida.
Do you know the odds of that actually really happening?
It's almost impossible.
It's impossible.
It's, you know, 70% Democrats.
So 70% of Democrats voted for DeSantis.
That none of the Democrats like.
It just doesn't happen that way.
But does that mean he had the influence?
I'm not sure that's true.
Because people doing the selection don't necessarily have to coordinate with the candidate.
They just select the ones they think will give them what they want.
And so our elections in the United States are not a nickel better than the elections they have in the Soviet Union.
They're exactly the same.
The government controls it, they tell you who wins, and if you try to investigate it, they basically lock you out.
Most people do not know that Florida Republicans and Governor Ron DeSantis supported a package of election reforms that in fact make the system far more opaque, actually make it a felony if you harass, that means ask a question, if you harass a board of elections members.
There's a state association of election board heads that they try to imply is some formal official governmental group.
It's a trade association, it's a private organization, although our tax dollars are paying for it because each one of these board of elections heads kicks in Taxpayer money.
They are very, very suspicious of any effort to examine the actual vote count.
I had one supervisor say, you're not going to audit my elections.
His elections?
Hmm.
Lake County.
Very, very strange.
We've had Chris Gleason on the show a number of times who has demonstrated the many flaws In the Florida system and we're going to talk more about it.
Clint, let's talk for a moment.
Let's say just overnight you could move Florida or any of these states where you have mail-in ballots to paper ballots for election day voting.
How would this address or can this address in any way the fraud that is inherent in mail-in balloting?
Absolutely.
You can at least address the fact that you can count the vote.
You also need to make sure that those mail-in ballots are only counted in the precinct and that the supervisor elections ring doesn't get to pre-open them because what we had down in Broward County is we had a whistleblower come forward and they basically said that Broward County had a little room where they were sitting and marking the ballots the way they wanted to and then when a mail-in ballot came in they would simply throw it away and put in their own ballot.
Which is very efficient.
You don't have to worry about getting it right if you've already made sure you're going to get it wrong.
So, just throw them away and use it.
And we saw that also in Montana.
We saw, there's a video online somewhere where we actually talked to the person.
And essentially the supervisor elections was inserting ballots in and shredding the originals in a shredder that got caught on camera.
What happened to them?
Nothing, which is what always happens to them.
We could actually go to a better system almost instantly.
It's not that hard.
It's actually very easy.
Most countries, like Germany, count all of their ballots by hand, do it in one night.
We need to do a little more than that.
We need to actually have it on camera.
So, he'll show you a video later.
We did this down in Texas, where you can see the ballot, see the count.
It's very fast.
It doesn't take that many people, although people are not a problem, because like in Germany, basically you just use the, uh, basically like a jury duty role, and you get to count votes as opposed to being on jury duty.
Which means in Germany, because I talked to them in 2004, and they almost immediately got rid of their ballots and went to a paper ballot and said it's unconstitutional to use these machines, because you can't really ever monitor them, even if you wanted to.
Essentially you go to that and you just do a jury system, they come.
So in Germany people volunteer for the elections because that way they get off of jury duty.
And I don't know if you've ever been on jury duty, but I'd count elections all night long for that.
Last week we had Mark Fincham on the show talking to us about the lawsuit that Kerry Lake and he and Abe Hamada have put before the U.S.
Supreme Court pertaining to corruption within the machines.
Have you had a chance to read that updated suit and what is your opinion of it?
I have not read it.
I don't know if they have a chance to really get anywhere, because most laws are written to keep you from checking elections, not to allow you to check them.
So, like Trump.
Trump was running for president and saying, I don't trust these machines, and he was still not able to examine the machines or to look at the source code.
So, All the rules are kind of written against it.
But with mail-in ballots, if you enforced a certain level of protection as far as signatures, and in Arizona that didn't happen.
In Arizona, they'd draw a smiley face and they'd accept it as a signature.
You have to be able to make it so that doesn't happen.
Otherwise, you get fake ballots coming in, and then if the fake ballots come in, counting them is a problem as well.
So you're going to count a fake ballot, because even if you count them so everybody can see them and everybody knows it's the correct count, it doesn't mean it's the correct ballots unless you also correct for that.
Clint, tell us about your efforts to get other countries to move to paper ballots.
Well, after 2000, after I basically told everybody what was going on, we got calls from all over the world, you know, Mexico and You know, Germany was one of the first ones which were very interested.
The Italians called, they just had one, and everything was really kooky.
And it has been ever since I wrote that thing in 2000.
The ballots have never matched the polling.
It always used to match the polling.
But now it doesn't.
Why doesn't it?
Because you just need to switch a few things.
In 2018, The Netherlands called, and essentially they had an intrusion, and they caught the Russians coming in, and they asked me how they could get rid of that.
You know, how could they save their machines?
And I basically, being a bit of a smart aleck, said, you take them, you put them in a really tight cardboard box, and then you throw them in the ocean, because people want in there, they're in there.
And the Russians are the ones you caught, but it's the 27 other countries that are also trying to poke in there that you didn't catch.
Because everybody does this cyber stuff whenever they have a chance to do so.
So if you have computers and they can put their thumb on the scale, they're going to try and do that.
And so they had, I think it was six months prior to the election, and they actually converted over and counted it by hand and counted every vote.
And so everybody knew it was correct and did it one night and haven't gone back.
And it's very simple to do.
In fact.
Well, and Clint, I wanted to ask you real quickly, you know, right before the show, we were talking about the picture behind you.
People can't see it now, but it's actually a picture of President John F. Kennedy.
And I wanted to ask you, what are your opinions on how this election integrity thing has been framed as a partisan thing?
It seems that the media has framed election integrity as a strictly Republican issue.
How do you feel about that?
Well, it used to be a Democratic issue.
I don't know if you remember this or not.
Have you ever seen any of Mike Lindell's stuff?
He had a whole montage of all the Democrats saying, we need to fix this.
And that was the issue.
In fact, John Kerry complained about it in 2004.
He complained probably about two months.
And then you had Hillary Clinton, even in 2016, said, this isn't right, we need to fix this.
She complained about two weeks.
And then she gave up.
Which is pretty impressive that Donald Trump has not given up.
And now, you know, I think Republicans have finally come on board.
They weren't the ones on board, it was the Democrats before.
I can speak to that because in 2016 I wrote an op-ed for The Hill in which I expressed my view that these machines were easily hacked and could be manipulated through a central server.
And I was viciously attacked by David Brock and the Media Matters people and Hillary Clinton because I was undermining the integrity of our elections.
Then after Trump won and Hillary Clinton filed specific objections in Michigan, Pennsylvania, I believe it was Wisconsin, her specific objection was it mirrored what I'd said in my Hill op-ed.
She basically pointed at discrepancies in the machines.
So the Democrats are extraordinary hypocrites on this issue.
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Okay, let's go back to Troy.
Troy, we have about, let's see, we have about four minutes left with Curtis.
Why don't you wrap this up?
Tremendous honor to have Mr. Curtis here because he's been dedicated to this for so long.
And seeing you testify in front of Nadler there, sir, was so interesting because he really hasn't changed his tune on this.
He's still kind of denying it.
And it has to be, you have to run into this a lot.
Do you run into these people that are in elected positions that really view you with disdain because of the work that you do?
Essentially, the people who are elected don't want to Stir the boat, because they figure if they're the ones selected now, they won't be selected later.
An interesting thing on that committee is that every one of those people on that committee from 20 years ago, if they're not dead, they're still in office.
What's that tell you?
Absolutely.
And it tells you just about everything.
And your work on this, it's such a simple thing.
Paper ballots work.
Machines don't.
And I think your message is simple.
It's something that's resonated in other countries.
It's something that we need to push here.
So we've been putting up handcountusa.com where people can find your information and what's going on.
Can you tell the people where else can they find your work and where can they follow you?
Just go there.
Don't give them a lot of addresses, you know, one at a time.
HandCountUSA, you can remember.
So just go there.
It's got basically the quickie facts of it.
And essentially you need to do it quickly because if we don't do it for this election, further dissent may be completely outlawed like it is in Russia because that's where we're headed, you know.
You want to examine my machine?
No, you get to go to jail.
Tina Peters, you want to make a backup that you can look at to see if anything was changed?
No, we're going to prosecute you.
That's pretty old school Soviet Union Stalin stuff there, so that's where we're headed.
We won't be able to change it much longer.
Trump will have a tough time winning if you don't change it quickly.
I think that's a very shrewd observation.
We have recent evidence of one of Patrick Burns' attorneys, Stephanie Lambert, being arrested because she saw evidence of foreign interference in the machines.
She turned it over to law enforcement and of course they as you know, they tried to kill the whistleblower in It's a horrific problem.
Also, I make reference to my great friend Charlita Bassett.
She ran for the U.S.
Senate in California.
Now, it was always a grassroots, long-shot campaign, but little did she know that her name wouldn't even be on the ballot in as many as 15 counties.
That the information that she sent to the Secretary of State to be included in the state's published voter guide would pretend that they'd never gotten her filings.
And lastly, if you went on the actual ballot, in English it says that she's a Republican, but in Chinese it says she's a Democrat.
So, Charlita Bassett has an extraordinary lawsuit coming against the Secretary of State in California, one of the most corrupt states in the nation.
When it comes to election integrity.
The number also, we're starting to look at Troy's on this, he's been looking at Adam Schiff's donors and it's amazing how many of them don't really seem to exist or have given thousands of dollars despite the fact that they're retired.
He'll be contacting some of those donors to ask them why they sent multiple contributions to Adam Schiff or if they even did.
Anyway, this has been a great segment.
I thank you, Curtis, for continuing to stand up for the truth.
Your story is a compelling one.
If America doesn't make these reforms, then I don't think the country can be saved.
So, thank you so much for joining us, and God bless you.
Thank you, sir.
Alright folks, David Schoen, the criminal defense attorney who represented Donald Trump in one of the two impeachments, one of the smartest guys I know, was on with Judge Jeanine Pirro the other night.
This is so good, I just had to share it.
If Trump does not postpone by Monday, Letitia James could start the process of seizing his properties.
Joining me now is David Schoen, former Trump impeachment lawyer.
You know, David, I have to ask you this.
Where does the attorney general get off saying that it's not accurate that he can't get a bond?
First of all, are you familiar with any private company in a state case like this being able to get a bond for a half a billion dollars?
Because even though it was $454 million, it's 120% of the judgment, which is a half a billion dollars.
I mean, the Attorney General is divorced from reality here.
You can be sure President Trump is trying to get a bond.
You can be sure he has the contacts that could get one if it were possible.
These insurance companies just won't do it.
There's too much at risk.
But it's outrageous that one is required in this case.
Understand this, under, you know, CPLR 5519, as you know, Judge, if this were the state appealing, they wouldn't need to put up any bond at all.
So it's an outrageous situation.
Well, look, this is I mean, time is of the essence.
You know that.
Do you think that the can the federal court step in on the cons on the Eighth Amendment excessive fines?
I think it would be difficult for the federal court to do based on younger abstention.
They're not going to probably interfere with a state court proceeding.
Right.
But he still got the New York Court of Appeals and so on.
And I have to think, look, the public certainly wants the issues in this case to be heard.
Remember, besides the excessive fines issues, he was denied the right to a jury trial.
And the case that says you don't get a jury trial comes out of that county.
And it says that's because there's not punitive damages.
It's a regulatory statute.
In this case, it's punitive.
He should have had the right to a jury trial.
Well, it's not only punitive.
I mean, they got numbers out of the air.
I mean, there is nothing that connects it to reality.
A no-victim, I mean, you've got a fraud case with no fraud, no victim, and everybody made money.
But in the end, if she were to go to court and start the mechanism to seize the properties, you know, she's not limited to New York.
We know she can go to Florida, as well.
How does that work?
I mean, she just goes in and says, I'm the new landlord.
How does it work?
No, she's going to have to use proper court procedures, and that's going to drag on for a while also.
Who needs that kind of subsidiary litigation?
It's absurd.
The issues in this case are matters of public interest.
The court should waive a bond altogether, find that they're likely to succeed on the merits, there's irreparable harm, and the equities balanced together say let's go forward with the appeal and hear the case on the merits.
What's the harm?
All right, let me ask you this, because I love this case in Georgia.
Now, Fannie, the judge in the Fannie Willis case, where they got rid of the lover but not Fannie, basically the judge says, I'm going to allow an interlocutory appeal.
You could take this appeal up normally to the Georgia appellate court.
It normally takes 45 days.
The judge signaling that before it goes to trial suggests to me that maybe he wasn't too sure about his own decision.
What say you?
Well, this judge has done a terrific job so far, I think.
He's a real straight arrow.
And what he said is the issues in this case, especially regarding Ms.
Willis, are so important that it's appropriate for the court to hear it by way of interlocutory appeal.
However, he said, he's going to go forward and consider other pretrial motions and so on.
He's not going to wait for a decision with respect to that.
But listen, from what we saw in Ms.
Willis and her testimony, they might well be better off keeping her on the case.
Well, you know, I think they should have kept white on the case the way that guy was sweating bullets when he was on the stand.
You can tell he's never been in a courtroom before.
But, you know, one of the problems is you've got the Georgia Senate investigating her and another agency investigating her.
I was a prosecutor for a long time.
You cannot take forfeiture money and give it to your lover.
You just can't do that.
Yeah.
No, listen, she's completely smeared the integrity of this process.
She's up for election, so she's probably not going to step down voluntarily, but she should have.
She should have withdrawn from this case for the good of the case and for the integrity of the system.
But, you know, that's not what she decided to do.
Well, we'll see what the appellate court does.
I have my hopes on that one.
Anyway, David, thanks so much.
That's a great, great clip.
One more point I want to make before we have to end the show, there's been a lot of public speculation This last several days about Senator Marco Rubio potentially being a running mate for President Trump.
Senator Rubio says no one has asked him about this.
He's not had any conversations with the president about it.
Now, I believe, despite the fact that Rubio was very loyal to Trump as president, and they worked very closely together to hold the regimes in Cuba and Venezuela, particularly the communists at bay.
And I like Senator Rubio, who's been very, I think, effective as a senator for Florida.
I still believe that the 12th Amendment of the Constitution would prohibit two people from Florida.
It specifically reads, the electors, that's the electors in the Electoral College, shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for president and vice president, one of whom at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves.
Well, that would seem to prohibit anyone or two people from being nominated who are both legal residents of the state of Florida.
When Dick Cheney was the head of the Vice Presidential Search Committee for George W. Bush, essentially he selected himself, he was a Texas resident, as was the governor of Texas, George W. Bush.
He very quietly moved his legal residence to the state of Wyoming, where he had property and where he had represented the state in Congress.
But I think it is problematic, if not unlikely.
Marco Rubio is a senator from Florida.
He cannot change his state residency.
Donald Trump is comfortable and he loves Florida.
Why would he go back to being a resident of the state that is trying to prosecute him I don't think this is a real legal possibility, but I have now addressed it.
No disrespect to Senator Rubio, who I've actually come to like.
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