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Whaddup With Fani? The StoneZONE w/ Roger Stone
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The Stone Zone with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone!
Welcome!
I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.
Well, today is the Michigan Republican presidential primary, and President Donald Trump is expected, based on all polling, to rack up another historic victory over Nikki Haley yet again.
Yet there is no evidence that Nikki Haley is prepared to throw in the towel.
Yesterday here on The Stone Zone, we talked about the possibility of her bolting the Republican Party as Congressman John Anderson, a liberal Republican, did in 1980 to seek election as an independent, or perhaps even as the candidate of the so-called No Labels group.
Now, No Labels is a more serious political enterprise.
They have been in business for several years.
They have the funding, the knowledge, the experience, and the know-how to actually field a candidate for president and more importantly, get that candidate on the ballot.
However, so far, there have been no takers.
They clearly sought West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin as their candidate.
Last week, he announced that he would not be their candidate.
They clearly have sought Maryland Governor Larry Hogan as their candidate.
And now with news about Hogan's decision, my co-host Troy Smith of Slingshot.News joins us in the Stone Zone.
Roger, it's an honor to be here.
And we just saw this morning something that kind of confirms what we were talking about yesterday, where Hogan, running for Senate, has endorsed Nikki Haley for president.
And you pointed out that the end goal here may be that Haley tries to jump ship.
And I'd like you to speak more on the sore loser laws, because that's, I think, an important piece of this.
But Hogan, who is very wrapped up in no labels, has endorsed Nikki Haley for president.
So that's an important piece of this that I think we missed yesterday.
Yeah, I've been trying to figure this out.
A lot of speculation as to what Nikki Haley is up to.
It's very clear that she cannot beat Donald Trump for the Republican nomination.
It's very clear that there's no future contest for delegates that she can dominate.
She still has money in the bank, of course, from her big, essentially pro-Biden Democrat donors, and the idea of her running as the No Labels Party or as an independent party candidate is really difficult because, as you say, there are sore loser laws.
Now those are essentially state laws that say that if you run in a primary contest in a given state, Whether you win or whether you lose, you are prohibited from later being on the ballot in that state as an independent or third-party candidate.
By the time we get to Super Tuesday, it will really be too late if Nikki Haley, who's already filed in all of those states, runs in them and loses.
At this point, it's too late to even withdraw her name.
Theoretically, if she withdrew from the race tonight, which I do not expect, she would be essentially prohibited from more than half of the ballots.
Perhaps, however, this is what she has in mind.
Running for president in the Republican primary, leaving the party, and appearing on the ballot as a vice presidential candidate for another party or in an independent bid would not fall under these sore loser laws.
It's not actually spoken to.
It's never actually been contemplated.
Of course, that leaves the folks at No Labels with the need for a presidential candidate.
They still have a vice presidential candidate, if they could get Nikki Haley.
I really think that her goal here in the short term is to try to damage Donald Trump as much as she possibly can.
And her stance is very similar to that of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who rather than warmly endorsing Donald Trump after taking his drudging, has continued to snipe at the former president from the margins, continues to talk out on federal issues as if he were still running for president, actually visited South Carolina during the primary season to campaign for a congressional candidate
Talks about a balanced budget amendment, talks about term limits, all laudatory.
But here in Florida, we have an incredible insurance crisis.
We have a utility rate crisis.
Crime rates are slowly creeping up.
And while the governor said that he would sign an executive order to prohibit the teaching of critical race theory or other gender lies in the school, That executive order remains unenforced, meaning the seven largest school districts in the state, which comprise approximately 3.7 million school students, are still being indoctrinated with crazy left-wing dogma.
But the governor's done nothing about that.
Troy, I should also mention to you that the establishment Republicans recently put forward a piece of legislation which would restore the runoff in Republican primaries.
That's a device by which today in a Republican primary for any office, if there are multiple candidates, the candidate who wins a plurality wins the nomination.
In this case, we would go back to an old system that Florida abandoned some time ago, in which just the two top vote getters, even if one of them received 51% of the vote, would face off in a runoff.
Um, this is a bad idea.
It's designed to reassert Republican establishment control of the grassroots of the Republican primary.
Uh, it's really meant to dilute the strength of the America first Trump, uh, insurgent outsider Republican majority here in Florida.
Uh, we already defeated an effort to require the Republican nominee to take a loyalty pledge in the state committee.
And it now appears that Florida's legislative leadership has tabled this terrible idea, which was pushed by the RINOs, at least for the foreseeable future.
You know, Roger, I wanted to ask you real quickly about Nikki Haley, because, you know, we talked about the open primaries giving her such momentum, and I think, you know, in states where they don't have open primaries, she's gotten beaten badly.
I mean, even in Nevada, famously, she lost to no candidate.
So, I wanted to ask you, just in a percentage-wise, how much momentum is she receiving from Democrats, and how much of it is people within the Republican Party that want to, you know, they're more anti-Trump people?
We saw in the New Hampshire primary that Donald Trump actually got 70% of the vote among registered Republicans, meaning the great bulk of Nikki Haley's votes came from non-Republicans, people entering the Republican primary as an act of mischief.
I spoke to the folks in South Carolina last night.
It was also true there.
Trump won almost 75% of registered Republicans, but there was a concerted $3 million effort to move liberal Democrats who had not voted in the presidential primary earlier for Joe Biden, where turnout was extraordinarily anemic, largely because there is no contest and there's no intensity or enthusiasm.
For his candidacy and Nikki Haley got most of her votes from non-Republicans.
These people are general election Democrat voters.
So this narrative as put forward by Lawrence O'Donnell from MSNBC, we spoke about that character yesterday, that this is bad news for Trump.
No, it's actually very good news for Trump.
Look, the Republican Party has been transformed.
We are the party of the middle class.
We are the party of working families.
We are now the party of America First.
We are no longer the party of the neocons.
We are no longer the party of shipping billions of dollars abroad while there are hungry, homeless Americans here.
And that's not going to change at the grassroots.
So I think the Nikki Haley thing continues to be a mystery.
Will she be rewarded by a cabinet job?
And if there is a future Democratic nomination, is that what she seeks?
Or maybe she hopes to go back on the boards of some other large defense contractors?
as a reward for her efforts to destroy Donald Trump.
It's not clear what her game plan is, but I disagree with those who say she's going to bolt the party to run as an independent.
I still believe that to be unlikely.
Well, and I think it's important to point out, Roger, that if she has this Democrat momentum in the Republican primaries, that's going to slow tremendously if she does bolt and go for a third party in the general, because as you said, these people are Democrat voters when it comes to the general election.
So it just points out, it's really sleight of hand, Roger, and I think it's important to point out that Joe Biden has shared Nikki Haley ads and, and Reed Hoffman, as you always point out, is one of her, is one of her largest owners.
Now it's, it's, it's important to remember that because as we're going forward here and we're, we're, we're assessing the situation, we're looking at Nikki Haley.
She's going to continue to kind of stay in this thing as long as she can.
Because one, it takes a lot of heat off of Joe Biden.
I mean, Roger, if you watch the late news coverage, they're talking about Nikki Haley, and it becomes a Trump-Haley thing.
And the media tries to make that something, as you saw Lawrence O'Donnell and Saki and others saying yesterday, they're trying to make it a big story because they want to distract away from Biden.
And we have a clip I think we want to play here, Roger, of Joe Biden yesterday talking about a ceasefire with Israel and Gaza.
And while he's talking about it, he's actually eating ice cream and kind of mumbling to himself, kind of just wandering off.
in mind, folks, this is the guy that they say is completely mentally sound.
He was on Seth Myers last night joking about Trump, saying that Trump can't remember anybody's name, making jokes about Melania.
I want you to see President Joe Biden yesterday eating ice cream while talking about Israel and Hamas.
Can you give us a sense of what you think that this fire will start, sir?
Well, I hope by the beginning of the weekend, I mean the end of the weekend.
At least my national security advisor tells me that we're close.
We're close.
We're not done yet.
And my hope is by next Monday, we'll have a ceasefire.
Absolutely unbelievable.
Let's go to that Seth Meyers clip.
I thought that was very funny.
Concern for American voters.
How do you address that concern going forward as you come up to the 2024 election?
Well, a couple things.
Number one, you gotta take a look at the other guy.
He's about as old as I am, but he can't remember his wife's name.
Yeah.
Number one.
Number two!
It's about how old your ideas are.
Look, I mean, this is a guy who wants to take us back.
He wants to take us back on Roe v. Wade.
He wants to take us back on a whole range of issues that for 50, 60 years they've been solid American positions.
And I really mean this sincerely.
I think it's about the future.
And everything, every single thing we've done, I think we've gotten some good things done.
Everything, and they told us we couldn't get them done, because things were so divided.
And, uh, but I think everything, everything we've gotten done, he's, this friendly state he wants to do away with if he gets elected.
And I really think his views on where to take America are older than, anyway, I don't want to get in trouble.
You talked about bipartisanship, and you could actually work across the aisle when you ran in 2020.
Absolutely amazing.
By the way, just to remind folks, it was Joe Biden who mistook his wife for his sister at the podium.
It wasn't Donald Trump, who very clearly knows who his beautiful, charming, cultured, and extraordinary wife is.
But right there, you saw it yet again, Biden forgetting mid-sentence what he was talking about.
A new piece in today's New York Post, a former Biden speechwriter who worked in the Obama White House from 2019 to 2020, John Favreau, says that he fears that Biden is looking frail and mumbly says that he fears that Biden is looking frail and mumbly and that his age is a very real Now, this isn't Roger Stone saying it.
It isn't some conservative Republican saying it.
It is the Democrats themselves.
Joe Biden continues to entertain, but no practical political analyst can believe that he's in any condition.
To run for re-election.
All right, we've got a guest on deck.
We want to get to him.
Robert Bose served as a senior policy advisor in the Trump White House.
He's been with us on The Stone Zone before.
He's a very knowledgeable fellow regarding the legal proceedings in multiple states pertaining to the 2020 election and other issues.
I'm very pleased to bring Robert Bose back into The Stone Zone.
Hello, Roger.
Great to be with you.
So, look, I can't resist doing this because I enjoy it so much.
We have what is by far my favorite video by Brendan Dilley's famous Dilley 300 meme team.
I love this and I have to kick off this session by rolling it.
Let's roll it.
Let's roll it.
Let's roll it.
She get up on TV, and you all know her name.
If you play in Fulton County, then you better get paid.
You know why?
Because the D.A. corrupt.
Yo, from what I heard, Fatty got a baby by Mondo.
And Loomis said she got a trap house in a condo.
She don't care whatever's said, as long as she clopped up.
Now why you say is she a boat rigger?
But Fatty only make my lead bigger.
Now why you say is she a boat rigger?
But Fatty only make my lead bigger.
Get down, girl.
Go ahead, get down.
Get down.
Get down, girl.
Go ahead, get down.
Get down, girl.
Go ahead, get down.
Get down, girl.
Go ahead, get down.
Thirteen counts, thirteen counts.
You're getting paid to pounce.
It's like for thirteen counts.
I know somebody paying thoughts to charge whoever he says.
Another D.A.
in the pop, ahead of all of his biz.
He will see you at the courthouse, call her Fatty Willis.
Charge another rapper, cause you know she out to get us.
She even charged her president if you could pay the money.
Election interference, done, deal for the money.
She walk around looking like Chappo with the money.
She got a new week, got like Poe with the money, money.
If you ain't no punk, holla, we want D-Trump, we want D-Trump, yeah.
There's something that you need to have, cause when we get revenge, we gonna kick some ass.
Thirteen counts, thirteen counts, gotta pay for every count, straight into bank accounts.
Now why you saying she a boat rigger?
But fatty only make my lead bigger.
Now why you saying she a boat rigger?
But fatty only make my lead bigger.
Get down, girl.
Go ahead.
Get down.
Get down, girl.
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Get down.
Get down, girl.
Go ahead.
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Go ahead.
Get down.
Yes, you killed me, you killed me, man.
We have to start the day with a little levity.
Otherwise, we'd cry.
Okay.
So, Robert, take us back to the beginning, I guess, because people have followed some of these televised hearings, but I'm not sure that all of our viewers really understand what has transpired.
Fannie Wells is the Fulton County District Attorney.
That is an elected position.
She defeated an incumbent attacking him for having sex with Members of his own staff.
She subsequently indicted Donald Trump and another of others claiming that they knew that they had lost the Georgia election, the presidential election in Georgia, and that they had conspired to hold on to that state's electoral votes.
Now, I was not involved in any of this, contrary to what Lunatics like Ari Melber say.
I followed it from afar, but take us from that point forward because a number of the defendants, a couple have pled guilty, but those who have not are putting on a spirited defense.
Take us from that point forward.
Well sure, there are so many aspects to this case, but it's unfolding so poorly for the regime.
And there's no mistake that the regime is behind Bonnie Willis and this Get Trump case.
So she brings, they rush her to bring the charges against the 19 folks.
Five of them, they engineered these kind of bogus plea agreements where nobody's going to testify against Trump.
They were slaps on the wrist to get them out because Fulton County wasn't ready to go.
And this was the result of two grand juries, a special purpose grand jury and a regular grand jury.
So now we learned that those grand juries may not have been authorized.
Fulton County taxpayers are supposed to prove the money for different purposes.
We think that Fawnie Willis diverted the money that was supposed to go to COVID case backlog and to, you know, all the thousands of criminal cases.
You know, they haven't got a gulag down there with people that aren't charged.
They're still sitting in jail.
So she basically was told by the Biden regime Particularly Jeff DeSantis from the DNC and Charlie Bailey, who was running for Lieutenant Governor.
They were in the transition team.
She brought Nathan Wade in the transition team in November of 2020.
So you've got these DC operatives, you've got Fonny who's got this new gig.
She's got her boyfriend in there, Nathan Wade, who's trying to score a big contract.
Okay, so they get this thing going, but they didn't realize how many people were going to come out of the woodwork and start calling out their corruption.
They fired one quarter of the department.
And Nathan Wade was side-by-side with Fannie and Jeff DeSantis and Charlie Bailey, making all the hire and fire decisions in the transition team.
This is before Bonnie Willis has even been sworn in.
So Nathan Wade brings his buddy.
Talk about a trap house.
They're running the whole Fulton County as a trap house for every corrupt official.
Jeff DeSantis made $4 million.
Charlie Bailey, again, ran for Lieutenant Governor.
He worked in the DA.
He knew them.
So everybody's kind of jumping in on Fannie.
Maybe she's a little... Dilly goes after her pretty hard, and we've gone after her pretty hard, but maybe she was actually the one getting played by all these guys, too.
Everybody's in there playing the corrupt system.
So anyway, they're 19 defendants, and the personal corruption has created this great option to blow the case apart.
Normally, it would have the prosecution presents the evidence, and they argue the evidence.
But now the tables have totally turned because witnesses have come forward.
Mike Roman and his counsel, Ashley Merchant, have brought dismissal motions on the personal corruption.
There's three items of perjury that Fannie and Nathan Wade have brought before the court.
That have been now proven wrong.
There's going to be a hearing today at two o'clock to go through one of those where Nathan Wade's business partner, Terrence Bradley, is now able to talk about the personal arrangement relationship between Nathan and Fannie.
But it's not, it's bigger than personal.
I mean, that will show the lies.
But what we're seeing is that She was basically firing existing people to make room for her friends and to make room for her lover to give him sweet contracts.
That was all violations of Fulton policy.
It's certainly, you want your DA to be of the highest ethical standards, and she is really lower than low.
Based on my own research, I think Nathan Wade was previously a personal injury lawyer.
Which would not mean that he has the broad experience necessary to prosecute a complicated RICO case.
And I had also seen that he received as much as $645,000 in compensation.
This seems extraordinarily excessive, no?
He did receive that much.
His firm, he cobbled together some buddies, Terrence Bradley among them.
And they had a contract with Fulton County.
So there's more than the 600 plus thousand he earned.
There's probably more money that his firm earned.
So, and yes, he, he, he, Fannie Willis wanted this relationship.
We have heard friends that have indicated that she had this longing for him after, you know, meeting him in 2020.
And so she, she wanted to bring in some friends.
I'm not sure he was really contracted to be in there to run transition, but she brings him in, gives him a contract, gives her his law firm contract, and then lets him do the higher fire decisions.
So it's...
And yes, he hadn't had any experience.
He had no RICO case experience, no massive criminal case experience, which is really interesting because this will also prove that the regime is behind it.
They didn't really need it.
They just needed some mouthpieces to basically do the bidding of the puppet masters back in D.C.
You had Peter Heller, I'm sorry.
Yeah, I think it's Peter, Peter Harrell, actually, who was at NSC.
You had Jeff DeSantis, who was a liaison from the DNC.
So they were, they're connecting and making these meetings happen in, at the White House.
So the White House and DOJ and Brookings Institute is kind of running this show.
So you didn't, you didn't, who cares if you had a lackey like Nathan Wade out there doing the, doing the arguing.
So, But now it's all falling apart.
And the personal corruption, the contracting, the lies are coming.
And she's now on trial.
And the judge there, Scott McAfee, has got two hearings this week.
One today at 2 p.m.
That's going to talk about Terrence Bradley talking about the romance between the two of them.
And then a bigger one on Friday, which is going to be talking about their disqualification.
Several of the defendants have moved to disqualify Fannie and Nathan from the case and actually to toss out the entire case.
So we're not even going to get to hear evidence if the judge rules this way.
And we really don't know which way he's going to go.
But the ruling yesterday to allow Terrence Bradley to talk about the personal relationship he witnessed between Fannie and Nathan Wade, that is a that it bodes well for the for the Trump side that the truth will come out.
The judge is building his building his case here.
And and keep in mind, we're not even to the jury part.
This is just all the motions part.
They you know, I don't think they are going to get to a jury.
There's so many dismissal motions are going to be dumped and more information, more corruption is going to come out on this.
I had seen a report that Judge McAbee had given a campaign contribution to Fannie Wills when she was running the That gives me pause.
Troy, do you have a question for our knowledgeable guest today?
Can I say something about that?
Of course.
So, Fannie was running against the incumbent DA, Paul Howard, and he was the more liberal one of the two.
Fannie was characterizing herself as a tough law and order DA.
And if you had to pick in Fulton, you've got to just pick the worst of two evils there.
So I believe at the time, Scott McAfee gave to her because he perceived her to be the more conservative D.A.
Well, immediately as she she got close to winning, she convert.
She switched sides and basically became the more.
I think the Biden administration got to her, basically said, you're going to run this case to be a get.
You know, you're going to run this whole place to be a get Trump D.A. department.
And forget all those 12,000 criminal case backlog.
You know, let those guys rot in Fulton County Jail.
We're just going after Trump.
That's effectively what they're doing.
And the people of Georgia and Fulton County have suffered.
Victims and alleged perpetrators are just waiting and waiting and rotting in jail.
Extraordinary.
Troy, I do have a question for Robert.
Yes, is this case and getting a closer look at Fulton County and the way some of these justice systems are working around the country, as a policy advisor, does that play into what's going to be in the next Trump administration as far as reforming this system and the way it works?
Because it would seem to me that you guys are getting a really good look at how this system treats a lot of people in this country.
That's a great point.
A great opportunity.
And being on the front end of the law fair, President himself, Roger, you've been there, all the abuse of power.
This is, you know, this is SS tactics here.
And I think when you apply that to DOJ and justice reform, I think that's going to be an important factor going in.
Now, the At the local, at the trial level in Fulton County itself, it has other issues going on.
Fulton County is going to have an ethics hearing on March 7th against Fannie Willis.
So, she has, her problems are mushrooming beyond this court.
Also, there may be an investigation on some aspects of her performance by the legislature in Georgia.
I'm not sure Governor Kemp and AG Carr are going to do much about it.
They actually kind of want Trump to fail here because they want, you know, they want to, Carter wants to be governor and Kemp wants to be senator.
Georgia, don't fall for it, OK?
But anyway, there's there's a lot more things that are going to happen that emerge from all this.
There's civil cases going on, election fraud there, too.
There's, you know, in many ways, that hearing with Fannie Willis, which I think half the people in America were glued to their television and was Riveting television.
She evidently was wearing her dress backwards.
I'm not sure what that was about.
But it really reminded me of the famous Japanese movie Rashomon, meaning it was as perceived by the viewer.
I talked to people who I ran into who were Democrats who thought that she was incredible.
She was great, that she shoved it back in their face.
It was a triumphant moment for her.
I, of course, did not see it that way, but it now appears that within that testimony, she may have perjured herself yet again when she misstated the length of her and depth of her relationship with Nathan Wade.
Today I read, and it was yesterday, about new cell phone records that have been discovered, which really undercut her testimony.
What is the impact of that, Robert?
Oh wow, yes.
So the cell phone records are very damning.
Fawnie and Nathan each said they did not spend the night at South Fulton Condo at all.
And the cell phone records are tracking 12,000 texts and calls, like 2,000 calls and 10,000 texts, and the geofencing has positioned them under the same roof overnight, more than once, several times at least.
They may have made as many as 10 times when they each said they never spent the night at the same place.
So more perjury there.
And then the gifts kept on giving.
She even talked about all this cash she had And you know campaign finance, Roger.
She basically admits that she extracted a bunch of cash from her campaign.
So the timeline she's fouled up, she's trying to cover up This is a cover-up.
What she's trying to do is cover up flatly by lying about the timeline.
So now we have all these witnesses saying, well, it was a year or two before that Nathan Wade was in there.
He's in the transition team in 2020, not 2022, like they said.
So they got perjury there.
More things are coming out.
Terrence Bradley said they've got these four contracts that were given to Nathan Wade's firm starting in 2020.
Some for the taint team, some for normal Fulton business, and among them, those have conflicts.
So there's just conflicts falling all over this place.
So it's total cluster inside there.
Some of the people who are listening to the soundbites, they may think that she did a good job, but when you put it all together and compare it to a statement over here and a statement over here, clearly perjury, clearly a lot of corruption going on.
One of the things that we have learned, of course, is that both Fonny Wills and Nathan Wade and this fellow, Jeff DeSantis, all visited Biden's legal counsel in the White House, as did Alvin Bragg, the D.C., pardon me, the Manhattan prosecutor, as did Letitia James, the New York State Attorney General, as did Special Counsel Jack Smith and members of his staff.
So, it seems to me that there was indeed a RICO conspiracy, but that RICO conspiracy seems to be among government prosecutors.
Now, I'm not an attorney, but attorneys I respect tell me that Trump could bring such a civil action, but has not done so.
The fact that this fellow DeSantis, which is spelled differently than the governor of Florida, and they're not related, was embedded essentially in her office.
I find that really extraordinary.
That shows a conspiracy, no?
Yes.
You identified many of the strings on this puppetry we're seeing coming directly from the White House, from the Biden regime.
That's effectively his campaign.
Lawfare is his campaign.
And just from the rushed moment that The 1130 at night launching of the indictments, you know, ahead of schedule.
And that was basically by design of the Biden regime to, I think, offset something going on in a Hunter Biden case, maybe.
They're basically calling the shots.
This is, you know, directed right from the Penn-Biden Center or from the White House, whichever, you know, wherever the Chinese are.
That's what's going on.
All right, we're going to take a very quick commercial break, and then we're going to return with our guest, Robert Bose, who served with distinction in the Trump administration, as well as the Trump White House.
So, gentlemen, we will be right back.
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I'll Returning now to my co-host, Troy Smith of Slingshot.News, and also Robert Bowes, who served in the Trump administration, both in the administration and in the Trump White House.
Right now, we're focused on the situation in Georgia, specifically Fulton County.
Robert, are there not both federal and state lawsuits pertaining to the 2020 election that are still very much alive and in court?
Yes, there are.
There are going to be a few more.
More evidence is coming out on, it's taken a while to investigate the very complex election fraud that happened in 2020 and 2022.
And even in, like, recently elections in 2023 in New Jersey and Pennsylvania, we have corroborating evidence of machines fouling up.
By the way, part of the Georgia case, some of those defendants are good election workers who were doing their job to investigate voting computer foul-ups, where the number of people that came through the polls was much larger than what the machines were reporting.
So they are now indicted for looking at that.
They were looking at the malfunction after the votes were certified.
They wanted to figure out what the heck happened.
And they went back to investigate.
And now only the Republicans are under indictment, not the Democrats who had the same issues.
But they are a part of the Coffey County breach.
There's three or four people that were part of the 19 in that.
So that's still going on.
But yes, there's civil suits in Georgia with Garland Favarito, with Caroline Jeffords.
There's the 2020 litigation in Arizona.
Still in Michigan, Pennsylvania, there's some smaller cases there, but all very significant.
So those are going to continue.
But we, you know, much of the evidence has been blocked.
We're actually hoping that the Georgia cases do get through.
I mean, all the defendants want to get dismissed and, you know, their case is dismissed.
But some of the election researchers are like, no, we really want this stuff to come out in court because it's going to be exonerating.
And so we're, we have, I think we'll do well either way.
Well, gee, the Washington Post says that democracy dies in darkness.
Who could be against full disclosure?
I mean, for example, I remember Democrats demanding that Richard Nixon's White House tapes needed to be released so the American people could hear them.
So, why would we not release the tapes of Special Counsel Robert Herr's interview with President Joe Biden?
I mean, I'm for full disclosure, because after all, democracy dies in darkness.
We need to have full disclosure.
I continue to be intrigued by this federal case that is in front of Judge Totenberg, who is a liberal Democrat nominee, but appears to me to be a completely honest judge.
Full disclosure, I know her sister Nina Totenberg was one of my neighbors when I lived in DC.
He may still be a reporter with National Public Radio, was a great journalist, a nice person.
But last I heard, the Secretary of State was refusing to testify for that federal trial, which has been allowed to move forward.
How can a public servant refuse to testify under oath about a matter that pertains to his duties as a public servant?
It's a shame.
Brad Raffensperger has been one of the bad guys in this case, and that Curling v. Raffensperger case We've had, that was a Democrat case.
They brought that initially because Donald Trump snookered the cheat with Hillary Clinton.
See, he beat them there, so the Democrats were upset then.
So that was a 2017 case, and it's still been languishing around.
But Judge Amy Totenberg is about, we think she may rule, maybe after the Super Tuesday or the Georgia primary, but she may rule in favor of the, The good guys, I guess, where they said there was machine malfunction.
Three liberal professors, Halderman, Stark, and Appel, Princeton, Michigan, and MIT.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, MIT.
They all came in and said, wow, these machines are easily hackable.
And one of them demonstrated in court.
In five minutes, he basically had a pen, he'd open up the machine, and he created two elections.
It was George Washington versus Benedict Arnold.
And there was five votes.
And so basically, the first round, it was the organic results.
George Washington wins five to nothing over Benedict Arnold.
So then he quickly reprogrammed it.
Just a little calculation, changing some numbers around.
Openly, easily.
And and lo and behold, Benedict Arnold wins three to two in the in the rigged election that took about five minutes to fix right in open court.
So I think that was compelling evidence to the judge to say, holy cow, we got a problem.
Now, one thing about this case is that there are, you know, four main parts of the computer programming, the electronic poll book, the tabulator, and then the printers are in there, too.
So, the electronic poll book, tabulator, election management system, and then the reporting of it all.
So, there's several parts of the voting computers.
The Democrats only want the verdict to focus on the touchscreen ballot marking device, which is where you don't know what comes out of the QR code or the barcode.
You can't decipher what that means.
So they wanted only to the remedy of the case only be focused on the barcode and the ballot marking device.
Well, the professors have all said every part of it is hackable.
You know, they're all connected to the Internet.
They're connected to one another.
We, you know, the election integrity experts around the country want a comprehensive solution.
You can't, you don't just fix one part of the problem when you have vulnerabilities in several parts of the problem.
So that's the, that's the burden that Judge Totenberg has to face right now.
She's going to, she can't make the legislature, you know, she's going to, she may say you can't use the ballot marking devices, but she needs to go further.
And the legislature, including Brad Raffensperger, We need to go further and just, you cannot have a vulnerable election system.
We have to go back to paper ballots, hand-counted, at the precinct level, with strict voter ID on one day in-person voting.
That's the only solution around this.
I've also read extensively about, I think it's a Fulton County case, which involves 150,000 paper ballots that plaintiffs seek to examine.
But which the county refuses to hand over.
What's that about?
Yes, there are two cases there.
Garland-Fabrio v. Fulton and Caroline-Jeffords v. Fulton County.
And the $150,000 balance is just one part of that case.
There's an allegation that many of those are not legitimate.
They may have been snuck in at the end.
They were supposed to be absentee ballots, but they didn't have creases like you would mail them out.
They were sort of pristine.
That's one argument.
They're trying to hold those up.
That's stuck in this civil case where this Judge McBurney is basically sitting on a ruling.
He's at it for months and months.
So, the Carolyn Jeffords case is much broader.
It's going to go into all aspects of the fraud in Georgia.
The Ruby Freeman and her body cam admissions.
She admitted to improper use of the USBs.
She said that would blow your mind.
She talked about the cover-up by the DA and the Secretary of State, that they didn't want to investigate what she observed.
And then she talked about pulling the containers out from under the table.
Boom!
Cut the zip ties, she said, and scan them so the numbers go up.
So that's on a body cam in Cobb County.
And the FBI was in that state police station at the time.
They were so concerned about what she said that Six hours later, they went to her house and took her from her house for two months.
That's witness tampering.
They were very concerned about her.
They got her six lawyers from D.C., including Hunter Biden's lawyer and Seth Rich's lawyer, and she's now, you know, Presidential Medal of Freedom.
They've got her in the protective zone here.
But she had a contrite moment where she was so concerned about what was going on that she blew the whistle.
And again, some of those people are now, the people who are just listening to her, they're indicted.
So they're basically trying to, you know, they're tampering with the witnesses and people who are trying to help the whistleblower.
There are lots of aspects still going on in Georgia.
That is in itself amazing.
I presume that that body cam footage is ultimately going to be shown in a courtroom somewhere, no?
Yes, we put out clips of it.
There's several shorter ones where you have a police at her house and talking to a pastor and talking to some of the whistleblower helpers.
Yeah, there's an hour-long body cam with the police talking about it on tape.
The police say it's no crime, it's just a cover-up.
And then there's police reports about it that were doctored.
The police reports had a supplement that was put in later.
So there's so many intriguing parts about this that we hope to get out in court.
Like we talked about in the criminal case, those things may come out if we get past the DA dismissal.
But it's looking like she and the prosecutors might get blown out, and hopefully the case is dismissed altogether.
But then, you know, we'll have to wait for the civil cases to go through the body cam and the police reports and Ruby Freeman and the ballots.
You know, that's going to, you know, I think Democrats know they've got a problem.
Fulton is holding it up.
They're refusing to disclose.
And the judge is working collusively in there to prevent this evidence from coming out.
So real problem.
Robert McBurney is a big problem.
Robert, we've had Harrison Floyd on the show, a valiant young man.
A very promising young man with a great political future.
More recently, I believe he was gagged.
We pray for him.
He's on our growing list of people that we pray for.
The list seems to get longer every weekend.
How is Harrison Floyd doing?
I think he's holding up really well.
Excited that Fonny, the true corruption and moral weakness in Fulton County is coming to the light of day.
And people are seeing, he's happy that people in Georgia are waking up to the two-tier justice system we have, to the lawfare.
And he's holding well.
This guy's a machine gunner, tough guy, a great guest.
He's in our prayers, as are many of them.
Kathy Latham, David Schaefer, Mike Roman, all of them could use help.
They have Legal Defense Fund, electorsfund.org.
To help Harrison Floyd.
There's 15 of them that need help in the Georgia case.
Electors Fund.
Say it again for us, Robert.
Let's make sure we get that out there.
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We have about five minutes.
Let's try.
I do have a final question for Robert.
Well, Robert, what would you say to the American people out there who are watching this kind of unfold and they're really worried about what we're doing heading into 2024 and they're worried that that maybe Trump will be tried, you know, taken out of the election.
What would you say to those people right now?
Well, I would use a Go to the back end of any of Trump rallies where he plays the song, Hold On, I'm Coming.
And he will, I think, will be victorious here.
And it may take a little time at the trial level in New York and D.C.
They may have rigged corrupt judges and systems where they may get a trial level conviction in one of these cases.
But when you get it out to a circuit court or a Supreme Court, He will be totally exonerated in all these things.
Now, the Fulton case, the tables really have turned on the prosecution, and that's going to open up so many other problems.
We think that's probably going to get dismissed at the trial level.
Judge McAfee looks like he's doing a pretty decent job.
We'll see if he's conflicted or not, but no, I think the American people should It's very discouraging when you look at the legal system corruption.
Rogers experienced it firsthand, but it is very scary.
That part is very scary.
If they can do it to a billionaire, the President of the United States, the leader of the free world, they can do it to anybody and they have with hundreds and hundreds of people.
They're coming after pro-lifers praying to stop abortions.
It's really scary stuff.
I think the momentum is going really well for President Trump.
Polling is excellent.
And people are starting to get it.
Look at the Black and Hispanic vote and turnout in the primaries.
And D in independent, when you have a fair race.
It's really breaking President Trump's way.
So, his numbers are looking good.
Now, we just want to make sure that they don't have the cheating going on.
So, you have the offense and defense, and we're hoping that some changes at the RNC give us a little more firepower on the defense as well.
Excellent analysis.
All right.
Let me thank our guest, Robert Bose, who served in the Trump administration and the Trump White House, a good friend of the show.
Excellent analysis today, Robert.
Thank you so much.
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