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April 3, 2023 - The StoneZONE - Roger Stone
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RON PAUL Joins Roger Stone in the StoneZONE
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And now, Lindell TV brings you The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times best-selling author, and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone!
Welcome.
I'm Roger Stone, and you are about to enter the Stone Zone.
In the second half of the program, we're going to give you an update on the historic indictment against President Donald Trump in Manhattan and the political ramifications thereof.
But before that, we are honored to have one of my political heroes join us on the Stone Zone.
Dr. and former Congressman Ron Paul, a candidate for president, a staunch libertarian, a man of deep principle, and a man of great wisdom, joins us now on the Stone Zone.
Dr. Paul, welcome to the Stone Zone.
Roger, it's a delight to be with you today.
Full disclosure, so everybody should know this.
In 1974, when Ron Paul was running in a special election for the House, I was 22 years old.
I left Washington, D.C.
to go down to the Houston suburbs and volunteer in that campaign.
And I remember election night extraordinarily well.
It was a great victory.
Then I can also say the last Republican I voted for in a presidential primary was Dr. Ron Paul in the 2012 Florida Republican primary for President of the United States.
In fact, when the party did not nominate Dr. Paul and nominated Mitt Romney, I changed my registration from the party of Lincoln to the Libertarian Party.
Returning only after Donald Trump became president.
So I am, if anybody wants to ask me, I am a Ron Paul Republican.
So nice to hear.
Thank you.
So, in many ways, Dr. Paul, you have been a sage, you have been a prophet.
So much of what we see happening in America today, you have been talking about for many years.
When you said it originally, people doubted it, but virtually everything you have said has come to pass.
Given the breaking news, let me ask you, what do you think of these Politically targeted attacks on from various political enemies including federal law enforcement in left-wing jurisdictions like the Manhattan District Attorney or the persecution of Douglas McKay, the guy who seems to be ready to go to prison for exercising his free speech rights.
The persecution of Julian Assange or now the indictment of Donald Trump.
What say you sir?
Well, the most important thing, it's a sad story, and I've never claimed that I can see into the future.
People give me a lot of credit.
But I look at things from an Austrian free market perspective and a libertarian perspective, and also our Constitution, and looking at if A and B is that, C must come.
It's sort of, to me, that how can anybody think differently?
It wasn't so much that I've created it.
For instance, the simple example of this, you know, if you run up a lot of debt and you want to satisfy everybody, you print a lot of money, it's going to bring on problems.
It's not going to accomplish what they want, and there's going to be inflation.
So when the inflation and the bubbles come, it doesn't take, you know, a PhD.
Matter of fact, a PhD might hinder you for figuring this stuff out.
But no, I think what's going to happen today is I've been thinking a lot lately about what has already happened and how did this come about.
And in my mind, I work with the idea that there actually has been a coup, slightly different than the coups that we've run, you know, over the many, many years, where we go in and use the CIA, and we take over and establish this, and it always seems to end badly, which is a typical example of what's going on in Ukraine.
So that, right now, I think there has been a coup.
But it's been insidious.
It's taken a long time.
And I remember so clearly the 1960s, and I believe it was a big decade where there was a lot of transition.
When you think of the many assassinations going on and the riots that we had and the problems.
And right now, though, I think it's clear cut that this coup has gone far enough that there is no justice system whatsoever.
And so What materializes here in the next few months, few days, or few years, or whatever, there's going to be a lot of pushback.
The pushback was very healthy on COVID.
When people finally got sick and tired of that, they did get some, you know, a little bit of guts and stand up against it.
That's still a problem.
But right now, I think if they keep pushing this, people are going to get very, very upset.
And I think we may be facing it in a short period of time.
But exactly how that comes out about it will have a lot to do with exactly what happens.
Maybe there'll be an accident and there'll be a court judgment that will say, hey, this is crazy.
This is idiotic.
It's just rid of this.
So many judges have refused to see it.
Already!
So if that happened, things could settle down.
If not, there's going to be probably more violence in the country.
Speaking of the war in Ukraine, I saw your remarks at the Rage Against the War Machine rally in Washington, D.C.
I thought they were excellent.
Here's what I don't understand.
When the Congress decides to give literally tens of billions of dollars to the war effort in Ukraine, Where does that money come from?
Do they just print it and send it?
I mean, is it in a budget someplace, or is it just created out of thin air to send over there and edge us towards World War III?
No, this would be the more open appropriation.
They do vote for it, and they appropriate the money, but it's endless.
But the big thing is you have to terrorize the people and scare them to death that they're coming, they're coming for us.
And if you don't vote for it, you're unpatriotic and you're part of the problem.
But the big stuff, you know, comes from the Federal Reserve.
Take when COVID hit and there was a lot of panic and they had to bail out to the tune of trillions of dollars is created to pump it into the system in order to save this bank and the other bank.
Probably this last week, you know, with the Bank of California.
That doesn't get appropriated.
Money isn't appropriated.
The Federal Reserve is probably the biggest spender and taxer there is because when they create credit, they dilute the value of the money and they pass the tax on to the middle class and the poor, which is something that the progressives seem to not understand on purpose because they like the idea of just making government bigger and bigger.
No, it's over a hundred billion now that we've sent to run this war in Ukraine.
And the pretense is that it's been in the budget, but those budgets are outlandish, you know.
Defense, fine.
We're for defense.
Even most libertarians are for defense.
But not to go out and just, and I'm sure at the rally I mentioned about the 2014 coup that we participated in and overthrew an elected government in Ukraine.
Imperfect, of course, but throwing them out has led to all this.
So as far as I'm concerned, I see that that war there is NATO versus Russia and the people don't hear the whole story.
But right now, the military industrial complex is very, very powerful.
You know, they can know they control this justice system and they control the The media, the Main Street media, as well as we figured out, or they figured out, and it's been revealed to us, that the FBI actually maneuvers and does, they do deals with social media.
So that's why I think the coup has already occurred, and there's not much left to our republic, but I still fight for it.
It is shocking.
As you may know, my political mentor was former President Richard Nixon.
I have written, and I believe, that the closing of the gold window was his single largest domestic mistake.
By the way, he told me that former Texas Governor John Connolly talked him into that.
I know you have been a huge critic of our leaving the gold standard.
Is it too late?
Could we return to the gold standard?
And make our money hard again.
Sure.
You could do it very shortly, but it's a medicine that people aren't ready for.
And the power structure, the people who control the foreign policy and the domestic policy and all these things, they're not ready for it.
No, you could.
And the best example, I think, in our history is the Resumption Act of 1875.
They suspended You know, the gold standard during the Civil War and they had inflation and the price of gold was way up.
And there was a sentiment there.
We weren't running the world and we didn't have a welfare state.
So they announced that in three years, we're returning to the gold standard.
And people worried a little bit, but they withdrew, you know, greenbacks and the budget wasn't totally out of control.
Maybe we even had balanced budgets back then.
But the sentiment was such that The big one was when the government said, this is what we're going to do, they were credible and the people believed it.
Can you imagine us going out there now and having a group get together?
Well, Ron Paul was right.
We're going to the gold standard and tomorrow we're going to balance the budget and we're going to quit fighting these senseless wars and we're going to get rid of all the welfare spending and we're going to watch our borders.
Nobody's going to believe that.
So that's why you can't do it.
But economically speaking, you could.
But it's not going to happen.
So I think the debt has to be liquidated.
It's being liquidated now steadily with inflation.
And you liquidate the debt and the malinvestment before you can go back.
And you could do that in a market phenomenon because people have to, if it's an individual, they declare bankruptcy.
Maybe they get another job and pay off the bills.
And go back and start all over again.
But a country doesn't do that.
Because that's why countries always eventually have sort of monopoly control of the financial system.
And they do liquidate the debt.
And that is by, if you owe $100, you print enough money that it comes down.
you print enough money that it comes down oh this is like $10 or 20 years ago they liquidate the value of the money and we're in the process of this So the real debt is actually going down.
I've always suspected that, you know, for 10 years, the Fed continued to really not know exactly what they were doing.
But, you know, maybe this is maybe this zero minus interest rate isn't a good idea.
It was dumb because you want the market to dictate interest rate.
So they said, what our goal is, the Federal Reserve, 2% interest rate.
We'll steal the money from the people at a rate of 2% a year and destroy the value of their money.
It was the craziest thing ever.
Guess what?
I said, you know, when it hits 2%, it's going to hit 10%.
You will hardly ever notice it.
Nobody remembers when it was 2%.
But guess what?
They want 2% now.
They're up to 8% to 10%.
Which is really true.
They're going, well, we got to get back down to what we said we want, 2% inflation rate.
And that's to destroy the money at a certain rate.
But the market is more powerful.
And that August 15 1971 was a big deal because that was that was the time when government finally the market overruled the government because we pretended and that's how we build our empire with fake money and and we still have a lingering Confidence in the dollar as a reserve currency of the world, but that will disappear.
So when they did that, then the confidence, you know, was lost and it was a major, major event.
Matter of fact, it was on that precise date, which I remember so clearly that, you know, I was still very much involved in my medical practice, you know, and I was fascinated with monetary policy and Austrian economics.
I think I just need to talk about it because it fascinates me.
And that's when I announced for Congress and decided to speak out when my wife said, what are you going to do that for?
Just to speak out and get it off my chest.
And she says, yeah, but it's so dangerous.
And I said, what do you mean dangerous?
She says, you're probably going to get elected.
And I said, no way.
It's impossible because they only want patsies that promises things for free.
And let me tell you, I was wrong about that.
She was right.
And I think that's a big thing going on now, Roger, is what the people really think.
I think the people are on our side of most of these issues.
But I think that we have lost control.
There's been a coup.
The special things that need to go on, you know, the control of government, really, when you have a Nancy Pelosi telling us about, you know, what laws that we should have and what the Constitution means.
We're in big trouble.
The foreign policy is a disaster, and the borders are a disaster, and it's going to end, and that to me is an opportunity, but it's going to be painful, but there's no reason in the world not to concentrate on, well, is it a big deal?
And not if you do the right thing.
I was always very pleased when I was campaigning In 2012 for the presidency, I talked to a lot of college kids and even on the liberal campuses, they were open to these ideas and the corruptions of big corporations and banks.
And I said that, you know, that is wonderful that they're open to this.
But what amazed me was I was pretty harsh.
Or at least I want to be accurate as I'm trying to be now.
Is there's a problem out there and young people like you are going to suffer.
You better do something.
But then I always concluded there was something they could do.
And it wasn't that tough.
It isn't complicated.
Just like the monetary issue and liquidation.
It's not complicated because the Constitution isn't complicated.
So I said the first thing, if you ever get enough people to understand it and want to do something, I said, why don't you just start by reading the Constitution?
It's imperfect, but considering what we have, it's a real blessing.
This morning I told a guy how excited I was that you were going to be on my show and he said, oh, you're going to have that isolationist?
And I said, no, he's not an isolationist.
He's a non-interventionist.
There's a big, big difference.
At this juncture, what is the greatest threat to America's future?
Is it a domestic threat?
Is it an international threat?
Is it both?
I know that's a big picture question, but tackle it.
I think it's domestic, but it includes everything.
I think we've entered a period of time where those in charge are really nihilists, and they accept it as a philosophy, which means that they do not know right or wrong.
They don't even have the biggest idea what a higher law means.
And there was a time when the majority of the people do.
I still think a lot of people don't understand the higher law.
You know, you're not, you're not supposed to be on a personal level, lie, cheat, steal or kill.
That's pretty good.
It's been around for many, many years.
It's been, it's very fundamental, but we don't have it anymore.
So I would say that we'd have to get the majority of people to understand the need to understand and follow, you know, a higher law.
At the same time, except the fact that nihilism is very, very bad, because nihilism teaches, and it's precise, it's what produces Marxism and the cultural Marxism, rather the old Marxism, is that you don't know truth.
Why do you guys worry about this?
You don't know truth, and I'll admit, you know, I have to struggle and read and And try to figure out and search for truth.
But it's the searching for truth that it exists that makes a big difference.
But Annihilists, you know, when I think of some of the clowns that I had to work with in Washington, they were difficult to work with because they weren't open to that.
And just like the friend you just talked to about, you know, me being an isolationist.
You know, if you want to find an isolationist, You know, look to the interventionists and look at all this stuff that we have done.
We're the biggest intervening overseas.
But, you know, our side believes in free markets, free trade and travel and all these things.
But now they're intimidated.
They want to close our borders and regulate and put on sanctions on everybody.
So I think the free market libertarian group are not Far from isolationism.
Because it's isolationism that we're working toward.
Just think of how it's happened in these last few years.
But I think it's not following the one rule that the founders said, don't get involved in these international groups.
Because once you do that, you lose your sovereignty.
And that's what we do.
So this war, I was reading something today and they had the right title on.
This is a war between NATO And Russia.
And I agree with that.
And I don't we think we need it.
And if we were if we were a little more isolationist, what the guys call it.
We wouldn't be over there losing another war.
Wouldn't it have been great if all the killings since World War II that occurred without a declaration of war, if they had not done that, how many millions of people would be living?
Americans as well as foreigners that we bombed and killed.
No, it's This whole notion is really pretty silly that the people who were over there, we were, you know, why were we caught?
He called me an isolationist because I worked diligently to try to stop us going into Afghanistan and into Iraq and Iran and all this stuff, and you know, What did it come from?
After 20 or 40 years we've been doing this and it's all building up to that bankruptcy that they're trying to deal with and right now they don't have the courage to do what they have to do and it would mean you'd have to cut spending.
I agree with you by the way when you say you think a majority of Americans agree with us.
And that, despite the extraordinary censorship across the board in all medium, including social media.
That's why I think platforms like Rumble, for example, are so important.
If you had to ask me, what's the number one problem in the country, I think it's censorship because the people can't learn the truth.
And if the people can't learn the truth, they can't be galvanized into action.
They can't be galvanized to take part in the democratic process to protect our freedoms.
Where do you think we stand today in terms of the censorship of the American people?
And I applaud the efforts of Elon Musk.
He is exposed so very much.
But today on Facebook, I'm still banned for life.
Why?
Yeah, no, that is a big feature.
When the Internet broke out, I wasn't and still I'm not really a technical person with computers and all, but I thought, boy, this is wonderful.
This is really going to help us, you know, get our message out.
And I still happen to believe it.
We were on YouTube for a while and we were mistreated.
So we're on Rumble now and they're treating us differently.
And my people who are coming to the program are getting up.
We hit a 300,000 mark the other day.
And so it's available to me.
And I feel like just one guy now is sort of retired and like to read and like to study.
I think it's wonderful that I have this outlet because I feel good about it because I'm interested in it.
But it's available.
But I think that, you know, it just, It just takes some leadership to push it forward.
Think of how badly the media was able to stuff that nonsense down our throats dealing with COVID.
They were very, very successful.
But when they finally had enough and a few people did speak out, I saw the tragedy through the eyes of a physician and thinking doctors who were speaking the truth and said, Why don't you talk about natural immunity?
Well, we did and he got canned, he got kicked off his staff, he got kicked off the boards and all that.
That is censorship and it's evil.
But still, I don't think they can silence truth.
I just am so optimistic about that, that, you know, it's out there.
People get lackadaisical.
And they don't seek it on their own as much as they should.
But you will see people coming out.
You know, how many university professors that study their economics and all from the university, they're brainwashing all our kids.
But there are some very good ones.
And there are some good people who are civil libertarians of the attorneys and that are, you know, in the public eye.
And we really promote it.
One of the saddest things, and we mentioned that at the anti-war rally, It is the fact that when I was in Congress, it was much easier to build a coalition between a Democrat, who used to be an honest, progressive, you know, civil liberties, and an anti-war person, followed the Constitution on war.
And that was easier.
Today, though, that is more difficult.
But I think it's still available.
I think when finally some people stood up and went to these school board meetings, I just loved it.
And I loved the one time when it was early on and a football fan may know what I'm talking about.
But early on, when the ice was starting to break and they decided where we're going to the football game or else and the stadium was overflowing, it was sort of the ice was broken.
But they needed somebody.
And there was another time, there was this magnificent video of a woman that finally stood up at a school board meeting and gave her piece.
And I think they got together after and fired the whole school board.
No, you need it.
The sentiment is out there.
And I think most people are good.
It's just that we allow the one shortcoming that so many of us do.
We allow people, you know, to get in the important places.
I chide conservatives and constitutional libertarians.
I say we have the most magnificent message you could think of.
You know, it's a moral lesson.
It's a constitutional message.
It's a humanity message of great prosperity and peace.
And we're not winning those arguments, you know, when it comes to who gets elected to the boards.
No, the sorrows of people are getting in, you know.
So we have a long way to go.
But it's out there, and I think momentum is good.
Besides, I think if you say, I'm not going to do it, it doesn't do any good, you're drifting over to being a nihilist and saying, throw your hands up, I can't bother with it.
But it is a tough battle.
And one thing that people have to do is be comfortable in their skin About defending personal liberty and saying, oh, you libertarians, you don't care about the poor people.
That's the problem with you.
You don't care about defending our country because you won't send war over to Afghanistan because we could do a lot of good over there.
No, it's it's it's it's one of those things that people will will wake up.
But you also need people to say and work.
Roger, and that's the reason I'm delighted you have a program.
I appreciate that.
The journalist Julian Assange languishes in Belmarch Prison.
They approved his extradition to the United States.
I've never seen any proof whatsoever that he was a Sir, do you think Julian Assange should be pardoned and released?
former Secretary of State and deep stater Mike Pompeo said.
To me, he's a journalist.
It's interesting to me that nothing he ever published has been questioned in terms of its authenticity.
Seems to me his biggest crime is embarrassing the deep state, both Republicans and Democrats.
Sir, do you think Julian Assange should be pardoned and released?
Immediately.
Yeah, they're so sad what they've done.
Many years ago, when I started looking at that case, I said, where's he from?
They said, oh, he's an Australian.
He's not even an American.
He's being tried under our Espionage Act.
It's just so crazy.
But it's to silence people.
It's part of that.
That is what they have to do.
Well, when truth is breaking out, that they cannot stand.
And I think that is one of the reasons why they go after Trump.
But he's not 100 percenter.
But I'll tell you what, many, many times he's 100 percent right.
And they can't stand that.
You know, they say, he's going to blurt out the truth.
We can't have that.
And that's why right now they're talking about, you know, gagging him and not allowing him to say that.
I would wish that would stir up a lot more interest in the principles that we're talking about.
But that is just so outrageous.
Silence a person.
And this is what they have been doing to a large degree.
But they can't do it.
They can't do it.
They can't kill truth.
It's available.
And we have to just look for the moment of at least a A temporary or a significant change in attitude about COVID.
But I think in a way people are starting to say maybe we shouldn't have been in the Middle East for 20 years or in Afghanistan for 20 years.
Maybe we shouldn't have done that.
Yeah.
Why didn't you just look at history?
Why are we in Ukraine?
We participated in the coup that started this whole thing off in 2014.
You know, we were the ones that were over there and threw out, at that time, an elected leader.
And it was NATO forces putting their weapons right against the borders of Russia.
But no, you can't say that even in an academic sense.
Well, these are just the facts I want to repeat.
Oh, no, you're a Russian patsy and remember what they did to Trump?
They declared he was a henchman of the Russians and all that nonsense.
So people have to work real hard.
And sometimes it's pretty easy.
Who's telling the truth and who's telling a lie?
I'll tell you, it isn't that difficult.
They have to be motivated for it.
And when it's in their interest, maybe they'll do more of it because it's the truth that's going to set us free and also provide the prosperity that we all want.
But right now, we're floundering and we're all over the place.
And to me, it's so unnecessary because if we did the right things, we had a depression in 1921.
Back then, they didn't have Keynesian economics.
Bail them out, bail them out and get the Fed in there and do this thing.
They had hands off, didn't do a thing.
And the depression was very bad for one year.
I think the GDP went down 15% in one year.
But they just hands off, debt was liquidated, and there was still enough freedom left for people to go back to work and keep what they earned.
And it didn't last.
So we'd need that.
But the conditions aren't right.
We're going to have the real crash liquidate the debt.
And then I believe that at that time, we'll have to have monetary reform, which will be necessary and cancel out that Date you mentioned earlier, August 15, 1971.
And that will not be difficult.
But I do definitely believe that we are on the verge of seeing the disintegration of the dollar as the reserve currency of the world.
But I wrote something just the other day and I said, but nobody knows.
We know it's going to happen, but we don't know what day it's going to happen.
But it will come because it's not viable.
It doesn't make any sense.
All right, there you have it.
Dr. Ron Paul, one of the greatest living Americans who I'm proud to say that I voted for, and I worked in his winning congressional campaign as a mere volunteer.
It has been a great honor to have you here on The Stone Zone.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you, Roger.
There you have it, Dr. Ron Paul.
I truly admire his courage.
Not an isolationist, a non-interventionist, a man who has stood up
For the libertarian spirit focused largely on free market economics, a radical reduction in the size and cost of government, increased privacy protections for individuals, as well as the reduction of the US participation in the endless foreign wars in which our inherent national interests are not and have never been clear.
It's a great honor To have him here at the Stone Zone today.
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Now let me speak to the biggest story in the country.
As I predicted last week on the Alex Jones Show, reports that the Manhattan grand jury under the control of Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg was going to take a 30-day hiatus was a head fake.
And then Friday, as I think every person who isn't living under a rock knows, it was leaked to the New York Times that the grand jury had voted a criminal indictment against President Donald Trump.
The reason this is essentially unthinkable is because they appear to have taken a business records misdemeanor case and whipped it into a felony.
With the specific purpose of destroying Donald Trump's chances to be the 2024 Republican presidential nominee.
This is a political hit job.
I would point out that at least five previous federal prosecutors, none of them fans of Donald Trump, Had reviewed this evidence and elected to bring charges because they thought that the charges were too thin or because they believed that the witnesses are unreliable.
I was asked about this coming out of church on Sunday.
Here's a quick video for you.
Yeah, my great concern now is that the judge in New York, in the county court where Trump has been indicted, will now put a gag order, issue a gag order on Donald Trump, and by the way, potentially even members of his family, so that they cannot comment Now how is it legal for them to say you can't talk about a case?
It's not.
exactly what was done to me.
For 16 months, I was not allowed to defend myself in any public forum.
It's unconstitutional.
It would clearly be election interference since he is a candidate for the Republican nomination for president, but it's a New York judge.
So don't be surprised when it happens.
Now, how is it legal for them to say you can't talk about a case?
It's not.
So you would appeal it and then the appeals court will sit on your appeal as they did in my case, for 16 months.
For 16 months, it sat there and they made no decision.
Then a week before I went to trial, the appeals court rejected my appeal saying, oh, this isn't right for a decision.
You had to ask the trial court judge So will he be able to post at all?
Or he just won't be able to talk about the case if they do this to him?
It's an interesting question.
It depends on how broad the gag order is.
In my case, I was not allowed to publicly comment on anything.
So if I went to some place and I had a terrific hamburger and I want to take a picture of it and put it online, The judge would have been able to throw me in jail.
This is the America we live in today.
What can we expect to see this week?
I know that there's supposed to be a surrender or something on Tuesday.
Is Donald Trump going to be in handcuffs?
Is he going to get mud shot?
How's that going to work out?
I don't know and I'm not going to speculate on anything.
Look, we haven't even read the indictment.
This is the irony here.
Which is right now you and I are discussing a leak in the New York Times and CNN.
CNN says there's 34 counts.
How could they possibly know that unless they're the recipient of an illegal leak?
This is today's America.
Thanks, Chris.
All right.
Thanks, Roger.
Interview with Reopen Chris.
You see my friend, Officer Salvatore Greco, with me.
We attended church together.
This weekend heard a great sermon by Dr. Erwin Lutzer.
Very, very inspiring.
But I spoke very specifically there about the gag order that has now been openly speculated about.
appears to have been leaked to The Guardian and others.
I would argue that as long as Donald Trump is a legal candidate for president of the United States, that a gag order would constitute election interference.
Not only that, but I think it is unconstitutional.
No place does it say that if one is charged with a crime at the state or federal level, that one gives up one's First Amendment free speech rights.
Um, I think the reason, uh, that prosecutors, uh, may ask for, or the judge may just unilaterally decide to gag Donald Trump.
And we, again, we don't know how narrow or broad such a gag might be is because they see in real time the way these charges are backfiring badly.
on them and how they are merely turbocharging the candidacy of Donald Trump.
Elon Musk is absolutely right.
This indictment probably guaranteed President Donald Trump the Republican nomination for president and may have guaranteed him the next election.
But I have, I guess it was Casey Stengel, who said, this is deja vu all over again.
I was subjected to an unconstitutional gag order when I was prosecuted maliciously in the Mueller witch hunt, a prosecution in which I must point out The government never produced any evidence whatsoever of Russian collusion or WikiLeaks collaboration or any other crime.
So I was charged and they tried to send me to jail for seven to nine years for making false statements under oath to Congress in my voluntary testimony before the House Intelligence Committee.
On the other hand, no misstatement I made hid any other underlying crime.
It's sentencing.
The judge said to me, you have been convicted of lying to cover up for Donald Trump.
Today, I can ask you, cover up what?
There was nothing to cover up.
No, I was prosecuted to pressure me into testifying falsely against Donald Trump, which of course I refuse to do.
And it is only because of my prayers to Jesus Christ, my faith in the Lord, and the courage and strength of President Donald Trump that I received a full unconditional pardon in an election year.
By the way, if you go online, you will read that my sentence was commuted.
We'll have a hard time finding the record that shows, in fact, I got a full unconditional presidential pardon on December 23rd of 2020.
Once again, an example of the fake news, legacy media, the jackals in the media trying to rewrite history.
And in my case, not only was I not allowed to defend myself in any forum, social media, or interview, radio, television, internet, but all the members of my family were also gagged.
Very Clearly unconstitutional.
They weren't even accused of any crime, yet their free speech rights were destroyed.
Now, the process here is an interesting one.
I have to presume that if there is a gag order, as has been leaked to various media outlets, the terms of it are unknown.
President Donald Trump has scheduled A press event to address all of these events tomorrow night at Mar-a-Lago.
I will be there for that.
But we have to assume right now that the president may have to calibrate his remarks to fit within the confines of a gag order, even if the judge issues such a gag order tomorrow.
against the president at arraignment, and his lawyers presumably will appeal that order, there's no way that that appeal will be heard and adjudicated before tomorrow night.
So it puts the president in an extraordinary position in terms of deciding what it is that he wants to say.
For those, and there are many on Twitter who say, no, the gag order is appropriate because it would only limit him to discussing the facts of this specific case, Well, this case is entirely politically motivated and therefore within the larger context, barring him from talking about this case is barring him for talking about his campaign because these efforts are part of the effort to destroy his presidential campaign.
I would also say that you can expect, which I fully believe, that there will be equally bogus and fabricated charges against him filed by Fannie Willis, who's also a Soros-funded prosecutor in Georgia.
Don't be shocked to see a Georgia judge levy a gag order on President Trump regarding those charges.
We also learned today that special counsel Jack Smith has now ordered multiple secret service agents to testify to the grand jury in his investigation of the events of January 6th.
Roughly a week ago, the DC Circuit Court ruled that there was no executive privilege in the question of Vice President Mike Pence, White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, National Security Advisor John Ratcliffe, or his deputy Robert O'Brien, as well as multiple other White House staffers.
I think that is wrongly decided.
But then again, it's the D.C.
Circuit Court.
In my case, I appealed the gag order to the Circuit Court in D.C.
and I waited 16 long months while I was taking incoming every day from the Washington Post and the New York Times.
But speaking, the justification for the gag order on me was that my meager social media following, I had been banned on Twitter since 2017, might somehow affect or taint the jury pool?
Well, there was no need to taint the jury pool.
There was not a single Republican on my jury.
But secondarily, why would the reporting of the Washington Post or CNN or MSNBC not taint the jury pool?
It was really because in discovery and the pretrial motions and interrogatories in my case that we learned for the first time ever that the FBI admitted that they had never examined the computer servers at the Democratic National Committee.
And therefore, the government had and has no proof whatsoever that there was an online hack by Russian intelligence or anyone else for that matter on the Democratic National Committee.
The judge did not allow us access to the so-called
Crowdstrikes report at trial, but we now know that the man who was the head of Crowdstrikes, Sean Henry, who just happened, just totally coincidentally, to be a former deputy of Robert Mueller's at the FBI, testified to the House Intelligence Committee that his report, in fact, contained no proof whatsoever that the DNC had been hacked by the Russians.
Of course, we didn't know that at the time of trial.
But if I was gagged, lest I poison or taint the jury pool, why then did the judge leave the gag in place after the verdict and right up to the time that I would have been incarcerated?
They never wanted to let me tell my side of the story.
They never wanted to allow me to defend myself.
Which is why even today there are people on Twitter, this afternoon you can bet on it, who will call me a Russian traitor.
Something of which the government never produced any evidence whatsoever.
And wasn't what I was charged with, in fact.
Uh, but, uh, this is exactly what Donald Trump has to look forward to.
Also in my case, uh, shockingly, the judge not only gagged me, but the judge also gagged my wife, uh, and my adult children, uh, as well as my supporters, uh, if they were acting at my direction completely and totally, uh, unconstitutional.
In my case, the circuit court sat on my appeal for almost 16 months while I was taking in incoming, as I say, from the mainstream media, deciding only about a week before I went to trial that I first had to go to the trial judge and respectfully ask her to remove the gag order, which she, in fact, had put in place.
Something, realistically, the judge was never really going to do.
This is the same kind of treatment Donald Trump can look forward to, in my opinion, and therefore this gag order really is designed to harm his presidential campaign.
Why is that?
Well, I've been in American politics for over 40 years.
I've really never seen anything like the rebound of Donald Trump in the face of this adversity.
His poll numbers haven't just marginally improved, they are literally off the charts.
It is not that the president's position in the polls has improved.
They have improved dramatically, but also there's been a precipitous drop in the support of the most likely challenger to President Trump.
That would be Governor Ron DeSantis.
Speaking of bad timing, when he was first asked about the charges against Donald Trump, Governor DeSantis basically said, I'm not getting involved in that.
But then he used the occasion to recycle the false left narrative that Donald Trump paid hush money to a porn star to buy her silence, something both he and said porn star have categorically denied.
Not something that the government's chief witness in this case, Michael Cohn, has also denied in previous under oath testimony in a defamation suit and in other cases, as well as in assertions to the Federal Election Commission.
Now, in an effort to recoup, Governor DeSantis announced that He would not assist in the extradition of President Donald Trump to New York from Florida.
This was a hollow and empty gesture because the president's lawyers had already announced that he would cooperate and that he would voluntarily surrender for arraignment in New York.
So Governor DeSantis, his claims were an attempt to recoup an egregious mistake.
Then, in the second worst piece of political timing I've ever seen, on the very day that President Trump was charged by the Manhattan Grand Jury, Governor DeSantis's allies in the State Senate introduced the legislation that would repeal the law that currently would require that he resign as governor before running for federal office.
When I predicted this some months ago, I was assailed by many in the MAGA movement saying, he's not running.
Why are you dividing us?
This isn't true.
There isn't such a law.
If it's true, one person said to me, how come Governor Rick Scott was able to run for the United States Senate without resigning as governor?
Well, here's why.
Because the law specifically says that the resignation is only required when the state term and the federal term overlap.
And therefore, Governor Rick Scott's term as governor ended before the new term of the US Senator began.
And thus there was no requirement for him to resign.
In this case, Governor DeSantis doesn't want to resign as governor because the governorship is an extraordinary fulcrum for the purposes of raising millions and millions of dollars.
For example, Florida Power and Light and a number of other utilities gave Governor DeSantis and his political committees as much as $9 million.
What did the people of Florida get?
They got the highest hike, a 20% increase in their electric bills in modern Florida history.
Or there's the insurance industry.
They spent at least $2 million in contributions to Governor Ron DeSantis and his political committees.
And now those whose homes have been destroyed by Hurricane Ida, Who are being offered pennies on the dollar to repair their homes or replace their roofs have no place to go because Governor Sanchez's insurance regulators will not step in and protect those homeowners.
This is not very populist gambling interests in the state.
Specifically, the Seminole tribe gave the governor two million dollars.
He in turn gave them a monopoly on sports betting in the state of Florida that unfortunately for the tribe was later knocked down by the Florida Supreme Court.
So those who say that he stands up for the average Floridian really don't know the record.
I really hope that nobody here gets too tied up in the giant back and forth on social media in which paid influencers for Governor DeSantis attack President Trump and President Trump's supporters answer with great relish.
It's a sideshow, folks.
It doesn't really affect what the American people think.
What the American people think is reflected in the polls.
And the key point that I would make there is don't look at any one poll.
So if one poll suddenly, for example, and I doubt this, shows that Governor DeSantis is leading President Donald Trump in a hypothetical Georgia Republican primary, while he is trailing in every state around Georgia and every other national and respectable state poll, well, that poll looks to me like a fraud, like a fugazi.
Therefore, when looking at polling, one needs to look at the same pollster over a longer period of time and see the trajectory and direction of their polls.
As we've said here on The Stone Zone many times, not all polls are equal.
But whether it is COVID-19 or whether it is Disney, where the Disney Board of Directors seems to have taken Governor Ron DeSantis
To the cleaners or whether it is taking more than two and a half million dollars in advance from Harper Collins, the book publisher owned by Rupert Murdoch, which is the same exact book publisher publishing the children's pornographic books that Governor DeSantis is trying to keep out of the public schools.
Ron DeSantis is the Florida Fugazi, folks.
He is not an America First Republican.
And you can tell a man by those that he surrounds himself with.
The support of Jeb Bush, the support of Pauline Ryan, the support of Meghan McCain, the support of Ken Griffin, his globalist funders.
This really tells you who Ron DeSantis is.
This is why I'm proud to say I'm for President Donald Trump in 2024.
I think the events of the last and next 24 hours will only strengthen him.
And I'm proud to be with him tomorrow night at Mar-a-Lago.
In the meantime, tomorrow, Mel K.
Who's very popular here on Rumble, is going to go to the public events tomorrow to cover them firsthand.
And she will join us on the Stone Zone at five o'clock Eastern, four o'clock Central, to tell you exactly what she sees and hears at the arraignment of President Donald Trump.
Until then, God bless you and Godspeed.
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