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March 29, 2023 - The StoneZONE - Roger Stone
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EPIC CORRUPTION IN ARIZONA - With Guest Pete Santilli
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Stone is served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times best-selling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone!
And welcome!
I'm Roger Stone and you are about to enter the Stone Zone.
I've been a participant in the front row seats of American politics For over 40 years.
I've had a close-up view at the corroded rectum of the two-party system and seen how the sausage is made.
I can tell you that I have never seen more egregious, solid evidence, documented evidence of election fraud than that which took place in the most recent Arizona gubernatorial election.
I looked with great interest at the case filed by Terry Lake and her very able and credible attorneys in the lower courts in Arizona and thought that despite the fact that the judge gave them a very compressed
A period of time and space to make their case that they made an extraordinary, compelling case that the election of Katie Hobbs in the state of Arizona was flawed.
It also matches the anecdotal evidence of the fact that Hobbs ran very little campaign, rarely emerged from her basement in the campaign style of Joe Biden.
Had nothing compelling to say in terms of a vision for the state of Arizona and actually had oversight of the election machinery in her role as Secretary of State, an issue Arizona Republicans should have raised in court prior to the election, not after the election.
Nonetheless, I'm convinced that the pattern in which we could see that some 68, almost 70 percent of the precincts in Maricopa County were supplied ballots that were purposely too large to fit into the pretested vote tabulators
And that these ballots were sent specifically from a central location to overwhelmingly Republican districts is evidence in itself of massive disenfranchisement, which I think eliminated the trajectory in the short term of one of the great potential conservative stars.
When it comes to just political talent, Carrie Lake is actually up there with Ronald Reagan in terms of her compelling conduct as a candidate and as a master communicator.
On a side note, I do not think Carrie Lake should talk openly or even plan to pursue a U.S.
Senate race until she has clearly exhausted all potential legal remedies to overturn the last gubernatorial election.
To do so would make Carrie Lake appear to be just another politician looking for her next race.
That is not to say That if she exhausts her legal remedies and the people of Arizona continue to believe, as I believe a majority of them do today, that her election was stolen from her, she still has plenty of time to be a compelling candidate for the U.S.
Senate.
Today, however, I want to focus on something far more complicated, something that has come in the heels, or I should say on the heels, of the contentions of election fraud.
And that are, that specifically are allegations by a gentleman, John Taylor, who is an attorney, who came before an Arizona, pardon me, who had an investigator who worked for him and an attorney come before a House committee with broad allegations of public corruption involving mortgage fraud and other financial crimes.
This is a spectacular set of accusations, but I want to be very clear that our purpose here at the Stone Zone is to try to parse what has been said, what documentation exists to prove it, and whether this is the bombshell that some have claimed that it is.
To help us do that is one of the most intrepid investigative journalists in the country.
It's my old friend, Pete Santilli.
When Pete Santilli seizes on any issue, he is like a dog with a bone.
He is indefatigable.
He also has a deep experience in the mortgage lending business, as well as understanding public titles and the real estate industry.
So, I think he was the right person to ask to help us unpack all of this and to address some of the many questions in what has become, on the right, An extraordinary potential scandal.
Joining me now, Pete Santilli of The Pete Santilli Show.
Roger, it's great to be back with you again.
A lot to cover, a lot to unpack.
I don't know where you want to start.
You know, I think your listening audience would want to know, like, when you refer that I have experience in mortgage lending, maybe we can lay the groundwork there.
So these issues that I know about, it'll probably open up the gates for what we're dealing with, with Attorney Thaler.
That's a great, great place to start.
First of all, Pete, let me compliment you on that excellent necktie.
Oh, thank you.
I wouldn't do it any other way.
Mr. Roger Stone, the man of style.
I almost want to write bow tie, but I didn't want to go too far over.
But thank you.
Okay, so... I think you did very well.
So let's kind of start from the beginning, full disclosure.
Pete Santilli and I have been friends for a number of years.
I was really unaware of Pete Santilli's work until I learned that he had been scooped up while covering the Bundy Ranch controversy.
And despite the fact that he was there and his involvement was that of journalist, That he was falsely charged with crimes he did not commit, and that before I even was certain of his name, I became a champion of his cause.
And many years later, when I was falsely charged in the Mueller investigation, because as you know Pete, The Department of Justice nor Special Counsel Mueller ever produced any evidence whatsoever that I was involved with Russian collusion or WikiLeaks collaboration or the phishing and publication of John Podesta's incredibly embarrassing emails.
I was in for the fight of my life and I had no stronger supporter than Pete Santilli and his on-air partner and a great woman, Uh, Deb Jordan.
So, I wanted that out there in full disclosure, because I don't want people to come back and say, oh, Santilli and Stone, those guys are like thick as thieves.
No, Pete Santilli is a fact-based investigator, researcher, and now let's go to your expertise in the matter at hand.
OK, so before Alex Jones inspired me, it's the truth.
In November of 2011, he said, I can't do this by myself.
Get a microphone and a camera.
And I need you to contribute in independent media.
And December of 2011, I got into the fray.
But at that time, I was a consumer advocate.
After leaving the corporate realm, I was an executive at Bell South Telecommunications, and then went to Coca-Cola, and then after I left Coca-Cola, because they were sued for $200 million, which by the way, I brought five class-action lawsuits, worked as a paralegal in the law office of the attorney that brought that.
Erin Brockovich, she's a leftist, but she was involved in a whistleblower case because I blew the whistle on Coca-Cola.
So I had legal experience dating all the way back then.
I became a consumer advocate right in the middle of the mortgage meltdown in Southern California.
So I was helping people save their homes, and it was just the wild, wild west.
It was absolutely incredible.
So I learned a lot about what was going on with the mortgage lending industry.
And then I figured out a way to help people keep their homes and staying in their homes through bankruptcy court.
It was the only mechanism to help people stay in their homes.
Through the bankruptcy court, You can actually force a lender to come forward with all their documentation if they did everything right.
I don't want to get too complex in it because people's eyes will roll back in their head.
Let's say taking a look at through an audit, a forensic audit, if there was any transactions throughout the entire process electronically through a system called MERS, well, the transaction falls apart.
They don't have a leg to stand on.
So I would call them with their documents to bankruptcy court.
I was literally authorized as a non-attorney because it's very expensive to do that process.
And through bankruptcies, the attorneys are limited as to how much they can make.
So I was a consumer advocate.
I'm working with my clients.
I helped the attorneys and was authorized to do that in four separate bankruptcy courts.
And I even showed a lot of the attorneys that were unaware of that loophole.
So I became a forensic auditor of mortgages by accident.
I know a lot about the mortgage lending industry and a lot of the fraud that takes place for that matter.
And we'll talk about how I'm going to be able to establish which one of these politicians have been cheating the system.
It's very easy to detect and we'll go through that.
So, here I am in an independent media.
Dating back to 2012-2013.
Long story short, I'm looking at Barack Obama's rise to power out of Chicago, Chicago Mafia.
We know Barack, we don't need to belabor Barack Obama's shady past, but one of the things that happened that I detected was that he had a lot of mortgage fraud in his name.
And I dug into that.
You can pull public records.
He had a ton of properties moving the same exact allegations that Mr. Taylor is now making about how to funnel money through bribery, through mortgage lending and mortgage fraud.
It's exactly what he was alleging.
We're talking about dating back to the 80s and 90s.
This is this is an old trick.
Just revisited here and of course now Mr. Thaler having come forward most recently They're anchoring him to the election fraud thing But it's only one spoke of many spokes that he's well aware of so I looked at this thing and I heard about the testimony last week by Jacqueline It's Jacqueline Breger And my jaw hit the floor Now, of course, I knew about the mortgage lending fraud.
I didn't know about all of these other elements of the scheme.
It was shocking to me.
Brandon House reached out to her.
I reached out to her right about the same time.
It was actually the two of us, and I was able to secure an interview with Jacqueline Brager.
She came on the show on Friday night.
Brandon House had interviewed her on Monday, and then I was to follow up with Mr. Thaler yesterday, on Tuesday.
Now, between Friday, my appointment with Jacqueline Breger, and Tuesday, I spent hours basically combing through the case, the allegations, the schemes, and getting to know Mr. Thaler.
And I'm here to tell you right now that there's buzz on the internet, obviously because of the hullabaloo that was created by this thing.
The sensational allegations, of course, that politicians should ever be involved in bribery schemes and mortgage fraud.
Ladies and gentlemen, it's been going on a long, long time.
It's just been overlooked.
Certainly, but when the names came up on that list of individuals where you could literally pull open source data, you could pull the mortgages, you could see the transactions, anybody could do that.
But one thing that Mr. Thaler adds to the mix, and here's the critical thing, so I'm actually going to add Mr. Thaler and then I'm going to extract Mr. Thaler in the minds of your viewing audience.
Mr. Thaler had come across in the legal profession as an investigator, come across somebody who was a great paralegal, was in the business, and absolutely, you know, a brilliant person in that regard.
A beautiful woman, in fact, and her name was Brittany Chavez.
And through their relationship, she basically exposed, and they had a baby together, but she exposed Uh, the fact that she was working for the cartel.
She was working for the Sinaloa cartel.
And she was doing all of these things.
We're going to break down the elements of the schemes that she was involved in.
She said, this is what I've been doing.
I want out of this thing.
Can you get me like witness protection or whatever it is?
And that's how he was introduced to all of this evidence of how they were perpetrating these crimes and how she was doing it on behalf of the cartel.
And I'll tell you what, if you are bowled over by the thought of bribery and mortgage fraud and politicians being involved in that, wait till you hear just how deeply entrenched these cartel members and the criminal crime syndicates are.
If we ever wondered, Roger Stone.
Why nothing quote-unquote ever gets done?
Well, this right here is the crown jewel answer to that question because of how they have every single institution stacked.
They've got their operatives.
The Sinaloa cartel is no longer You know, the tattooed gang member out in the street.
That is one part of their operation.
But they're now wearing suits and ties.
El Chapo Guzman himself at the top of the Sinaloa cartel has been trying to get messaging out from his ADX bunker.
He's under communications management.
He's not allowed to speak with anybody outside of pre-approved people within his family.
It's very Very carefully monitored, of course, but he cannot speak with the outside world.
Why?
Because it's been reported that he said some things, even in open court, and they want to silence him because El Chapo Guzman, through his attorney most recently, said that he would have never become successful without all of the politicians here in the United States on the payroll.
And he said that he wanted to name names.
So, here we are with Mr. Thaler, and Over the past several hours, because it became the biggest national news story, there was an effort to go after Mr. Thaler.
And I'm here to tell everybody, Mr. Thaler, along with any other attorney and a human being, they've got personal cases and stuff like that, but we all do.
Certainly not affecting his professional competence.
Him as an attorney, is he a trial attorney?
No.
He's a good investigator.
Is he a great, you know, pleadings writer?
I'm going to say no.
All I've seen is, you know, a couple of cases in the federal court system.
Certainly not with the decorum of the federal court, but then again, they're so corrupt, they've got their decorum, but they've got their unconstitutionality.
So they're criticizing him for his administrative procedures.
They're criticizing him for some of the questions that exist.
Set Mr. Thaler aside altogether.
And you cannot deny, each and every one of these spokes that's involved in this scheme, one of which is 10% of the entire scheme, and that is election fraud.
Now, Roger, let's combine that with another thing that I've been investigating about Arizona corruption and the technocracy that was used that wasn't fixed, by the way.
By this entire cabal of legislators, they're all big names, you know, uh, Senator Borrelli, Wendy Rogers, I mean, all of them, and I, you know, and, and Roger, I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to say whether or not you're friends with any of them, I was friends with all of them.
And unfortunately, I have to stick with the truth.
They have failed.
And as a result of their failures to correct some of the technical issues in Arizona, Kerry Lake is not the governor of Arizona.
And I addressed that with Sonny Borelli himself.
So where do we go?
Where do you want to begin?
Because I can concisely tell you some of the technical issues that caused the election fraud in the 2022 midterm elections very clearly.
I can identify that.
Do we talk about the various elements of the scheme that has been used across the country?
We're talking about a widespread conspiracy, the biggest one in U.S.
history, involving 20-plus states.
Where would you like to begin?
Well, first of all, I think people need to understand the context of what has happened and what has been alleged.
Because, based on my reading of the story, the allegations pertaining to the most recent election are kind of the tail of the dog.
Jacqueline Breger, who you had a great interview with, and whose interview I watched, and I also saw an interview Mr. Thaler with Brandon Howes were very compelling.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Thaler is suspended from the practice of law.
Is that correct?
That's not correct.
As a matter of fact, I will tell you precisely what happened.
It was, as you know, some attorneys, they'll get a complaint from their clients filed with State Bar.
California in particular, there was a complaint that was filed.
I don't have the dates in front of me.
But the complaint was reviewed by the California State Bar and he was issued as a result that they found, you know, whether it be, they call it misconduct, but he was not suspended, but he was essentially admonished and given the penalty of making that finding public.
He is an active member of the California State Bar.
He's not been disbarred.
Suspension is the term that's used in Arizona where he's inactive.
In Arizona, he was, he was not, as far as I know, I haven't been able to find any disciplinary action in Arizona, but because he's not active in Arizona, that license is essentially temporarily suspended, but no record of discipline as far as I've been able to say.
All right, so just a reading out loud here.
In a joint legislative session on February 23rd, Representative Liz Harris, Republican of Chandler, invited Scottsdale insurance agent Jacqueline Breger to present information regarding activities impacting Arizona's election integrity.
Breger proceeded to accuse officials of the state of Arizona of taking bribes using false mortgages as well as election rigging and money laundering.
Breger said she was hired as the principal investigator for John Thaler, the man we just discussed, who was with the Harris-Thaler law firm.
Taylor is, according to this, suspended from the practice of law according to the State Bar of Arizona and Breger was speaking on behalf of Breger's, pardon me, of Taylor's findings.
According to both of their Facebook pages, the two are also in a relationship.
You want to start there?
That's kind of, I'm trying to set the table so people can understand what has been alleged and what has been questioned.
Okay, as to his... I'm going to state unequivocally.
And Roger, by the way, I told... I mentioned to you before we came on that although we know each other, and you know when I sink my teeth into something, I mean, you've even... I've sought your counsel before, you know, where I thought we were going to do something at the Supreme Court.
You've called it every single time.
Talk me off the ledge and say, it's a political thing.
Nothing's going to happen there.
You've been very frank with me and talked me off the ledge.
And I said going into this interview, let's address the hard question.
So I'm going to address something with Attorney Taylor right now.
Whether or not he is licensed or not licensed, he is not active in the state of Arizona.
I haven't seen any record of discipline.
And by the way, I was a consumer advocate.
So I actually used to pursue state bar complaints against attorneys that had defrauded my clients.
So I know the process.
I know how serious it is to have a public admonishment.
He had that in California.
I was not able to find anything in Arizona.
He was inactive in the state of Arizona.
So therefore, his license is, you know, because it's not active, he's not using it.
Therefore, it's in a suspended state.
But guess what?
In this entire thing, Attorney Thaler As a licensed attorney or unlicensed attorney or an organ grinder monkey.
Doesn't even matter because of the information he has.
And he came from Britney Chavez.
Now it just so happens that he was an investigator.
He was investigating all kinds of things on behalf of his clients.
Insurance fraud and things of the sort.
She was in the legal business.
She knew these inner workings and she was actually perpetrating crimes on behalf of the Sinaloa cartel.
So if Attorney Thaler was bull of the clown.
And Britney Chavez says, I have a disc, I have all of this information, and I want out of this thing.
And she handed it to him.
Doesn't matter what his licensure is, or whether or not he's successful or not, or whether or not he's a competent attorney.
I've been able to establish that that man has, as I spoke to him, he's told me and addressed every single one of these issues right here.
that he was on the record about all of the schemes that we're going to lay out in 20 and 21, in the year 2020 and 2021, through his case against the Chavez's.
Donna Chavez, who is Brittany Chavez's mom, She is the kind of like the ringleader of the family and Brittany Chavez was brought up into this thing even at a very, very young age.
So he brought a case.
And all of these allegations that were brought forward to the podium the other day were literally lined out in his entire complaint.
83 page complaint that I read from top to bottom that was filed in the federal court system.
And he alleged the same exact things except at the time he wasn't totally aware of where the election fraud element came in.
So it was an afterthought.
He's always said that it's been an afterthought.
His entire investigation only is comprised of one-tenth Election fraud, the remaining balance of it, is stuff that we have to talk about.
So...
Sir, with all due respect to those people out there that are concerned about his credibility, I am, I've already said the messenger, I do believe that he's received this information.
He has clients and here's the key thing, is that man went to the Federal Bureau of Investigations with these very serious allegations of crimes.
You go to the FBI and you lie to them.
What happens when you lie to the FBI?
Roger Stone, we know through the experience like with General Flynn, if you don't So you cannot lie.
You can't misrepresent the truth.
He's been to federal agencies.
He said that.
And he's got documentation of such.
He's gone to attorneys general.
He's gone to law enforcement.
And let me tell you what else he knows about.
not recite exactly what he spoke of in the transcript they had in the file.
So you cannot lie.
You can't misrepresent the truth.
He's been to federal agencies.
He said that.
And he's got documentation of such.
He's gone to attorneys general.
He's gone to law enforcement.
And let me tell you what else he knows about.
Brittany Chavez has admitted to murdering somebody and told And he actually recited that in his complaint in 2021 in California in a case that was transferred to Arizona.
In that case, he cites that Brittany Chavez had told him that she murdered somebody and exactly where she placed the body.
Now you cannot do that and put it on the court record.
Roger, I think if you said that you knew that somebody had committed murder, they knew where the body was placed, and you didn't go to law enforcement, we all have an obligation to report such a crime.
So he would be arrested just from that one statement if he was not working with law enforcement.
So I believe that his Legal experience and his reputation, all that stuff is secondary to the facts here that are contained in his presentation, and it's been on the record for many, many years, and it outlines a 20-plus state massive conspiracy that from top to bottom is very real.
And to tell you the truth, we don't even need Attorney Thaler to start uncovering this.
He's tipped us off as to where to go look, and we're going to be doing so.
The question as to the status of Mr. Thaler's standing at the bar was not meant to cast dispersions on what may or may not be accurate claims by Mr. Thaler.
He says that Dorna and Brittany Chavez's participation in racketeering activities Also includes facilitation of bribes to public officials, tax evasion, payroll theft, bankruptcy fraud, insurance fraud, and extortion.
Pete, have you yourself seen documentation of those allegations?
I have.
As a matter of fact, in one of his filings, there's, I think, 590 pages.
As a matter of fact, you can go to the case.
I have the legal cases right here in front of me.
I'll give you the case number.
I pulled, you know, in his docket, in the U.S.
District Court, Central District of California, Case 221-CV-02892.
We can provide this to the public.
Attached to those cases Is a sampling of exhibits because there are thousands and thousands of pages that outline how these frauds or these crimes are perpetrated.
And, you know, I'd like to to say the specific documentation pertaining to let's pick on Arizona.
Let's say that Kyrsten Sinema has a track record that's Publicly available.
Whether or not he attached it in his, you know, whether or not we see the documentation in his exhibits dating all the way back to 2020-21, it's publicly available.
We're pulling title, actually, on a lot of these suspicious politicians that have risen to power that have a lot of mortgage transactions.
So you can identify through these refilings and refinancings, you can identify where there's an issue.
When you have a mortgage, as Sonny Borrelli does on his property, and he has recently, as of today, as a matter of fact, admitted that he's refinanced his house several times over.
Well, as an investigator myself, I can go in there to find out if there was any funny business as to extracting more cash.
Then what the property is actually worth.
So we take the publicly available information and then you can take a look at the notarizations, the people that were authorizing it.
Roger, you know what I'd like to do?
And I don't know when you're going to go to a break.
You're going to have to tell me when you when you need to break away if you do.
But let me let me tell you the extent.
And this is what I learned through this whole process.
The payroll theft.
OK, that's one example.
Payroll theft is one example where they create Fake employees?
They literally manufacture social security numbers, names.
They've got all these names in the hoppers, just like they have potential voters, dead voters.
They've got that same pool available to them where they can create these employees.
And they can extract cash, you know, through that payroll.
Large corporations are participating in this, and they don't know exactly how many employees they have that are on the payroll.
Maybe it's a remote worker, and they're cutting checks.
But here's the kicker.
They're not only creating these fake employees, they're actually putting life insurance policies on fake employees.
Then that employee gets their premium increased.
They've got a 1.2 million dollar life insurance policy on them.
And guess what happens to that fake employee?
They die.
And they're filing false claims.
So, Mr. Thaler, as an investigator, had clients where he's working for insurance companies.
And he has this evidence.
And he went back to them and helped them with their investigations.
These mortgage... I'm sorry, not mortgage.
The life insurance companies You may or may not know this, but these are very serious investigations that go on that involve regulatory agencies that control that.
Of course, you've got the state investigative bodies that do that.
He's worked with all of those.
He's testified, you know, and spoken to law enforcement officials about these anomalies as to how they perpetrate these crimes.
To get to the point to where you can do a fraudulent mortgage involves all of these mechanisms that the all-encompassing scheme includes.
Payroll theft.
Bankruptcy fraud.
Life insurance fraud.
Roger, have you ever heard of how they perpetrate insurance fraud?
And money laundering through an auto... I'm sorry, auto insurance fraud?
Cannot say that I have.
They will stage accidents.
They'll have people around that accident.
All stage, they'll all file claims.
They'll create, as a matter of fact, they even take sometimes junk cars and file a claim on a totaled vehicle and filing claims.
And these are cartel members where they've got people participating in this stuff.
So narcotics trafficking and sales is a small part.
I mean, it's on its face.
It's something you would expect the Sinaloa cartel to be doing.
But this is a very sophisticated Corruption system that involves multiple layers.
Private parties are also involved in this.
Let me tell you who they are.
We all wonder, ladies and gentlemen, why are these judges issuing dismissals on cases like in Arizona?
There's obvious fraud.
This is just one example that everybody is aware of.
Why would a judge just dismiss the case?
Well, guess what?
In some cases, and not the case in Arizona, some of these judges are on the payroll themselves.
They've received benefits through this mechanism.
They've received bribes and cash in kind, we'll say.
Some of them have.
We don't know that.
I'm not going to accuse any particular judge in Arizona.
But this is how the system is stacked.
They have judges assistants who are literally, in the system, operatives.
For this network, this criminal cabal, this criminal conspiracy cabal that will literally intercept on a case and issue rulings and rubber stamp on behalf of the judges.
Mr. Thaler has also provided evidence of that and has pursued his investigations speaking to judges where judges weren't even aware.
Some of the judges aren't even aware that their JAs are issuing rulings that don't make any sense at all and you have to take it up on appeal.
So this is so pervasive and so widespread that they're even creating now imagine this you have to have a last name like Santilli to understand how the organized criminal mind works but let's use Joan Ravers she goes in for a
Plastic surgery, minor thing, she goes in under anesthesia and that anesthesiologist isn't even an anesthesiologist.
They were actually given a fake license and a fake degree and they're there to intercept and of course perpetrate the crimes on behalf of the people that want to get rid of their victims.
They're issuing licenses They're creating attorneys, CPAs, and medical professionals, and in some cases medical professionals, to perform assassinations.
And there's plenty of evidence of just that up and down the chain of command.
Now, one other leg is something brand new, and that is the CARES Act fraud.
The medical-industrial complex is so corrupt right now.
Nancy Pelosi's trillions have matriculated down to the counties across America.
And there's a widespread multi- Billion, and I mean multi-billion, that they've already been able to establish, and convictions.
And I've been involved in these investigations out in the eastern, the southeastern portion of the United States.
I have spoken with investigators.
They said that this, just the CARES Act, fraud violations alone, by organized criminal activity, organized criminals operating across the country, that the Department of Justice Does not have the bandwidth to handle it.
They're picking low-hanging fruit.
They're going after the top organizers.
But it's happening in every single rural community right now across the country.
And it's a multi-billion dollar scheme.
And I've been right in the middle of this investigation.
So that's why, Roger, I'm very, very passionate.
When I speak to an attorney like Thaler, I don't care about his... I mean, the internet is talking about his license, his credibility, and all that stuff.
I gotta be very frank.
I like Mr. Thaler.
I believe him, to be very honest.
He has never, ever lied to me.
He's got some stuff, I guess we all do.
I mean, you know, I've had real estate transactions where I've got, you know, on the court record, I've had disputes with, you know, a developer in Southern California had one thing on the record.
It was a nasty battle.
And that's on the public record, but that has nothing to do with my experience.
It was actually a friend, and it was not a polite way to resolve things in the court.
We should have resolved it outside of the court.
But I'm very, very passionate about the things that Mr. Thaler is passionate in pursuing, and that's why I brought up the fact that I was a consumer advocate.
I was a consumer advocate then, before I got into media, and I'm still a consumer advocate now.
I know how to do forensic mortgage audits.
He's been doing this.
It's easy to determine.
I'll give you an example.
I should give an example.
Because it's on the record.
It's not like they can go hide it.
One of the biggest frauds, Roger, and people are going to find out about this.
When they refinance the houses, you know what the biggest way, the most egregious way to increase the value of the property?
They pay off their appraisers.
And the appraiser goes out there, and he pretends like there's a room addition on the house.
They increased the square footage.
So, you refinance your house, 18 months down the road, the appraiser comes out and says, oh look it, they've added an additional 1,800 square feet.
And it just blows the property value up.
So I can go pull Sonny Varelli's Property records on the record.
He's not going to be able to undo this.
It's already in the system.
Title.
Pull title, take a look at it, and see if there's any anomalies related to the size of the properties that relates to square footage.
And when you see that money being extracted through a refinance, taking out a second, That's where the fraud exists.
And I have suggested, as of today, and if you want to hear his outrageous response, I can certainly address the issue, but I've called upon every legislator in the state of Arizona to voluntarily submit to a forensic audit.
Set aside, Thaler.
I'll do the inspection.
Pete, you're absolutely right, we do need to go to a quick commercial break because we have to keep the lights on, so please stay right there.
The ever bombastic and combative Pete Santilli brings it, as he always does.
I do want to remind you, we are not taking sides in this dispute.
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I've read extensively some of the commentary of Tracy Beans, for whom I also have a very high regard, and my role here today is to ask questions and also to find out exactly how this relates to two things.
Katie Hobbs, who I believe is an illegitimate governor, and voter fraud.
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And now we're going to return to Pete Santilli of The Pete Santilli Show.
For those of you who don't know, this is going to be kind of seamless.
At the end of this show, I'm going to go over and be a guest on The Pete Santilli Show, and I urge you to join us there.
Let's return to Pete Santilli again.
So, Pete, let me, I'm going to read this, just to be clear, because of course many of my viewers want to know, how does this relate Allegedly, to Katie Hobbs.
Specifically, reading from yesterday or from the hearing, there are nine deeds of trust in the name of Kathleen M. Hobbs and Patrick T. Goodman, husband and wife, from 1997 to 2021, which essentially means that they either purchased or refinanced a home on average of every two to three years.
The statistical likelihood of this is most improbable, but even more so when six of the nine Deeds of Trust were recorded within the 10 years between 1997 and 2007, the concentration of which between 2001 and 2005 was during Ms.
Hobbs' tenure at Emerge Arizona, the grassroots organization built to lay the groundwork for her gubernatorial campaign.
When researching the documents filed with the Corporation Commission for Emerge Arizona, we found that these documents evidence hand-signing and hand-printing that belonged to Brittany and or Dorna Chavez.
How coincidental!
If one were to guess, Emerge Arizona seems to have been formed as a medium to attract women interested in politics and bribe them through the property schemes to adopt positions of power and further the goals and objectives of the paying cartel.
Do you agree with that statement?
Sorry, I do.
And I want to tell you that the investigators that have all the evidence, any evidence on Katie Hobbs, Because Liz Harris has come forward.
Katie Hobbs was obviously a center focus as to that part of the investigation and the evidence that exists.
And I have told Mr. Thaler and his team to just do a complete and total document dump.
Make everything publicly available.
And I'm going to say again, everybody needs to look into because this is where the fraud is perpetrated.
And Roger, you'd never see how they're moving money through these mortgages.
The one indicator that anybody hearing my voice right now could see if there's an anomaly related to the square footage of the property as these transactions take place.
When you see the square footage increase, that's where the value increases.
They extract money.
And how do they get that?
By paying off a corrupt appraiser.
Fraud rampant in Southern California drove up the prices of the houses.
Guess where else it happened?
In the name of Barack Obama!
The Chicago Mafia did it out there and his campaign and his rise to power was fueled by that.
So that's a number one indication.
But as to Katie Hobbs, now how does it work?
How does all this relate to Katie Hobbs?
And you know of all the names we're not going to single out or attack or as far as taking sides is concerned.
I take this side.
I do take a side.
I take a side of the truth.
I've called Wendy Rogers and I said and left her messages and sent her a formal letter as well as Sonny Borelli.
I said going forward all legislators should agree to a full Transparent public disclosure of all of their mortgage transactions, if that's the heart of where a lot of this money laundering is going.
So I call upon all legislators to do that.
So everybody focused on the credibility of Thaler.
Set that aside, folks.
We already know that he's, as a patriot, come forward as long ago as 2020 and 2021 because of what he knows through Britney.
And has outlined how they perpetrate the scheme.
Set Thaler aside.
I mean, all due respect to everybody out there that wants to do the investigation and question the credibility of anybody.
Thaler doesn't even matter at this point.
I called Sonny Borelli and he started regurgitating internet stuff today.
There's one undeniable fact.
You want to hear what it is?
That the Speaker of the House in Arizona His brothers, and everybody, he's connected to RUNBECK.
He's connected to RUNBECK.
It was also admitted by Sonny Morelli today.
He dismisses it.
Those are his brothers that are over there working for Precision Aero and Black Mountain Property Investment and RUNBECK themselves.
Now, how does this relate to Katie Hobbs?
Because I'm going to tell you what I do know about what's been going on in Arizona, sir.
And we're going to hit this hard.
On your show, I'm probably going to steamroll you with something you don't know about.
The Fusion Center, okay, there through Department of Homeland Security, they've got fusion centers everywhere strategically placed.
The Fusion Center in Phoenix, Arizona feeds data To all the law enforcement servers.
Do you remember when they tried to get access to the law enforcement server and PenZone stopped them?
And wouldn't because there was law enforcement sensitive data that was also co-mingled with voter data.
Do you remember that whole debacle?
I do.
Well guess why PenZone stopped that process from taking place?
And of course Q Karen The buffoon fan coming out saying, we did our audit, guess what?
The ballot count matches up with the machine count!
Idiot.
Absolute idiot.
Okay, because like I said, my name is Santilli.
I got a, you know, unfortunately family members with a very corrupt mind.
Of course it's gonna match up.
How many of those ballots were actually counterfeit or pre-printed by Brunback themselves?
We don't know the answer to that question because Karen Phan, obviously she's, you know, got questionable receivings in her family, a large contract.
But anyways, we'll set that aside.
This is what they would not allow to happen because this is the crown jewel of exactly how everything takes place across the country.
Especially going into 2022.
People like Borelli, Wendy Rogers, all of these people that have been collecting millions and millions of dollars to get re-elected.
Say, we're gonna fight election fraud!
Please donate to me!
And they knew.
...that end the server in the law enforcement server.
They have the most sophisticated technology, and we'll probably end up covering this more into my show.
We're going to talk about this, and I want everybody to know this, because Borelli knows this, Wendy Rogers knows this, Mark Fincham knows this.
There's a company called Ericsson Corporation.
Large, multinational, foreign corporation that has a subsidiary called iConnective.
And that's their storefront here in the United States, but still a subsidiary of a foreign corporation.
iConnective was in May or March, it's an M, May or March of 2018, they were given by the FCC full control of every single telephone number and text message going through the telecom system.
Now what does that mean, as it relates to these servers?
I'm going to fast forward to the midterm election.
That server that PenZone has, and the data that gets fed by the Fusion Centers, they know, they can predict, you know, how many people are going to, you know, vote.
They can predict who's going to win based on the early voting, but they don't know how many people are going to show up on election day.
They just don't know that.
How many people are going to come out of their houses?
They do.
The technology that was employed, and I have FOIA documents, I have this document that they can do this, they have real-time data.
On election day, all of the MAGA, America's First Patriots, that left their homes with their cell phone, they had an instantaneous reading of exactly how many people were on the move and where they were.
They could actually calculate where you were within two centimeters.
Real time, profiling you.
There's probably 10 different databases they use to merge.
So, they know when you walk out your door that you have a red MAGA hat on, and you got a Trump flag, and you're going to such and such precinct.
They knew exactly how many ballots to be printing.
They knew how many people were on the move that day.
And they call down to run back, and they have run back try to outpace the voters on election day.
Now, this can be absolutely positively proven because of FOIA documents that were submitted by the government that say that they have this on these servers, on law enforcement servers.
They say it's for the purposes of, you know, protecting us from 9-11 hijackers that John Brennan led into the country through Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
I digress.
Yes, they want to save us from 9-11 hijackers.
Now, they need to know real-time.
When they show up on a scene, the first responders need to know who everybody is on the scene.
They provide all that data real-time.
They know who the felons are, who has guns, who's got a social media profile, where they're predisposed to be angry, you know, at an event.
So, this technology?
Sonny Borelli knew about this going into 2022.
He failed to correct the problem.
Mike Lindell said, get rid of the machines, obviously get rid of the machines, because of the fact that the machine hacking is one layer.
There's multiple layers of potential failure.
They've got them all covered.
But the crown jewel in Arizona was in that Maricopa County server.
Now, Sonny Borelli tells me, and Runbeck is part of this conspiracy, they're printing fake ballots, folks.
They knew exactly how many to print.
You saw how long it took to come up with the count?
And by golly, it was a close race, Roger.
And there's about 280,000 ballots that didn't have chain of custody.
I wonder why.
Because Ben Toma's little familial connection, all the way to run back, Sonny Borelli doesn't seem to have a problem with, is directly related, and that's how Katie Hobbs was put into the governorship.
Mortgage fraud?
The least of our concerns.
Was she a beneficiary of a lot of these schemes?
We're going to have to say that we're going to go by El Chapo, probably the most credible person in this scheme, that he would have never risen to power and had that much money if he didn't have so many politicians on the payroll.
And Sonny Borelli himself said to me, he had the audacity, to tell me that, A, Bentonma being connected to Rundbeck, the place that's going to print all these ballots that they know about when they get the call, That there's no notion of impropriety there.
And then later on in the conversation, sir, if you can hear this, tell me if you cannot hear it.
I'm going to play it.
I'm going to push play.
So we have very limited authority.
And even that, if this is a criminal case, this is separation of powers.
We have no authority here whatsoever.
Now, this, it shouldn't ever go in front of the committee anyway.
Out of professional courtesy, we allowed her to, uh, Liz to bring her person forward, even though we asked for any kind of information, handouts, which is what you're supposed to do prior to a committee.
Right.
But because everybody's busy with caucus and all kinds of stuff.
And I'm gonna have to fast forward, because there's not enough time.
We'll play more of it.
And just give her some latitude, because she's new.
Yeah.
And like, come on, nobody, If anybody's going to remove her, it's only the House of Representatives can remove her.
Well, I have it on good authority and have pretty good sources on the ground in Arizona that Sonny Borelli himself is, although he doesn't have the authority to do it, is making moves to have Liz Harris, who brought this information forward, removed.
And that's what prompted this telephone call.
Just let me pop to a couple things here.
Here we go.
You shoot straight.
You want to hear from me now?
You want to hear from me?
Yeah, because this is going to come out.
So, let's set Thaler aside.
I am setting Thaler aside for the following reasons, right?
Because attorneys are, to me, I call them a bunch of chimps.
And most of them, they suck at doing trials and presenting to a jury.
They're not good trial attorneys, right?
So, so this guy presenting his case, you know, and a lot of them, maybe he can't write a complaint and he's got this nasty thing going on with a divorce case.
Now set all that aside.
You ready?
Um, I know a couple of things and I'm pulling title records.
Okay.
on everybody because I'm now honed in on where the fraud is taking place and where the bribes are taking place.
Now, I'm not accusing anybody, but we're gonna do, I'm certified to do forensic audits and I'm going to do them.
A, so, and I've been told that his, you know, this divorce case, believe it or not, the person that he's divorcing is very critical.
You know why?
Because she was working for the Sinaloa cartel, and she has evidence of what she was doing internally.
So, set Thaler aside, and let me ask you this, Gunny.
What is Ben Thoma doing when I did a traceroute?
What's he doing connected to Runback?
And I have this myself verified.
I don't even need Thaler.
His brother.
Yeah.
I'd be doing business with these people.
It doesn't necessarily mean that he's connected.
I mean, come on, that's like... I mean, that's such a dispersion.
Is that my association?
Pete, I've got to... unfortunately, we're running out of time there.
I have a second part in.
That was pretty breathtaking.
I do want to say that Sonny Borelli, the Senator, Wendy Rogers, the Senator, they're welcome here on the Stone Zone at any time if they want to respond to anything that Pete Santilli has said or played today.
I'm interested in getting to the bottom of what seems to be just an enormous story because this is far beyond the allegations.
Specifically, Mr. Thaler has alleged that boxes of ballots And boxes of cash exceeding $3 million were located at a particular Arizona address linked to Ms.
Chavez, his ex-wife, and that these boxes of both ballots and cash were driven to a Rhinebeck Elections Services facility.
I'm interested to know how we know that, if we've seen proof of that.
Yes.
That's precisely what I would like to know, to see whether we can make the link to actual election fraud.
This is a massive, massive story.
We're going to have to pick it up on the other side.
If you go to PeteTV.live... PeteLive.TV, sorry.
Live dot TV.
I apologize.
You'll be able to catch it on the other side.
In the meanwhile, the guys at the control room are giving me the signal.
So I want to thank Pete Santilli for coming here today to make the case.
We're going to consider this, continue this on the Pete Santilli show.
I also, Pete, I want to ask you about the people in Ohio and how they're reacting to the Horrific, toxic environmental catastrophe in East Palestine, Ohio.
As a proud son of Ohio, I want to talk to you about that as well.
So folks, we'll see you on the Pete Santilli Show, just over on the other side.
All right.
Thank you.
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