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March 29, 2023 - The StoneZONE - Roger Stone
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JAN 6 NARRATIVE CRUMBLING - with Cara Castronuova of The Gateway Pundit
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And now, Lindell TV brings you The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon, and pundit, Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times bestselling author, and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone!
Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and you are about to enter the Stone Zone.
Almost two weeks ago, Speaker Kevin McCarthy announced that he would release video footage from January 6th taken by government cameras To Fox journalist and pundit, Tucker Carlson.
I applauded this decision.
Well, because I believe in the words of the Washington Post, democracy dies in darkness.
What could possibly be wrong with full disclosure?
And I have enormous confidence in the integrity and the honesty, as well as the hard work of Tucker Carlson, who is dedicated to the truth.
Last night on his show, Tucker Carlson began dropping bombs.
As today's New York Post indicates, he aired footage that showed that Jacob Chansley, the odd-looking shaman who was wearing a buffalo headdress and full makeup, was essentially escorted into the Capitol, escorted onto the Senate floor, walked by seven officers unimpeded, and it put a real hole in the narrative that has been woven by the January 6th Committee.
A committee comprised completely of partisan Democrats, hyper-partisan Democrats, and two Trump-hating Republicans.
And to quote Carlson directly, taken as a whole, the video records do not support the claim that January 6th was an insurrection.
In fact, it demolishes that claim and that's exactly why the Democratic Party and its allies in the media stopped you from seeing these videos.
By controlling the images that you were allowed to view from January 6th, they control how the public misunderstood that day.
They could lie about what happened and you would never know the difference.
Those lies had a purpose.
They created a pretext For a federal crackdown on opponents of the Uniparty in Washington, D.C.
Now, I've had a direct experience with the January 6th committee.
A witness, Cassidy Hutchison, perjured herself twice before the committee claiming that President Trump directed his chief of staff, Mark Meadows to call me and General Flynn on the evening of January 5th to quote, find out what was going to happen on January 6th.
No phone call of any kind of that kind ever took place.
In fact, I have never spoken to Mark Matthews on the telephone or communicated with him by text or email or any other mode of communications.
I did meet him once when he was a Congressman.
In the green room at Fox News.
Hutchison went on to say, perjuring herself, that she persuaded Meadows not to attend a briefing in a war room at the Willard Hotel, but that Meadows later called Stone and Flynn for a briefing as to what had happened at said meeting.
If there was a war room at the Willard Hotel, I am unaware of it.
I was never in any such war room.
And I never had any such conversation with General Flynn, Mark Meadows, or anyone else.
Sad that I have to say this, but any claim that I knew in advance about, participated in any way in, or condoned any illegal act on January 6th, or any other date for that matter, is categorically false.
The January 6th Committee went so far as to use wildly edited and manipulated video to cast false aspersions against me.
But that has been addressed.
Sadly, guilt by association is the technique that the media uses to try to associate me and others with events that we had nothing whatsoever to do with and no foreknowledge of.
It is the decision to give this video data solely to Tucker Carlson is somewhat controversial.
But here to discuss the entire issue is Kara Castronova, who is a hardworking investigative journalist for both the Gateway Pundit and Newsmax.
She is also an American champion boxer, a professional sports announcer, a political activist, and celebrity fitness trainer.
Kara Costanova has won two Golden Globe Championships in Madison Square Garden.
She's ranked number two nationally by the U.S.
Boxing Commission, and she joins us now.
Hey, Roger.
Thank you so much for joining us.
No problem.
You're reporting for The Gateway Pundit and at Newsmax on the entire January 6th issue Has really been among the most revelatory and the best.
Why don't we start with the big picture and then we can talk about some of the more recent things that you have reported.
As I said in the opening, I have the highest possible regard and trust for Tucker Carlson as an individual of enormous integrity, honesty, and courage.
But he is one man and he has one staff.
And we're told that there are 14,000 hours of video footage.
So upon reflection, thinking about this, it occurred to me that perhaps the best thing that would happen would be for Speaker McCarthy to put all of this unedited video on a website where any reporter, any researcher, any interested citizen, and particularly Lawyers for the January 6th defendants would have access.
What say you?
Well, I totally agree.
I mean, I am a fan of Tucker Carlson.
I do.
He's pretty much one of the only people that I watch on Fox.
And I think he's doing a good job with the footage.
But right from the beginning, you know, I work at Gateway Pundit and we've been writing these stories on January 6 prisoners and uncovering so much for two years now.
And we, you know, felt like slighted it that we we and anybody in the media, any independent journalist, any media organization should be able to access that footage.
It's a tremendous amount of footage.
From what I know, it's 44,000 hours of footage.
And Tucker's producers are only able to go down to D.C. and view it from a kiosk.
That's the same kiosk, I believe, that has been given access.
They've given access to January 6 attorneys.
So I had spoken to some of these attorneys attorneys and they said it would take 50 years for them to be able to go through all this footage waiting online.
All of these attorneys, many of them don't even live in Washington, D.C.
The defendant should be able to see it.
The guys who were in jail should be able to see it.
The American public should be able to see it.
And I think really crowdsourcing it and spreading it out and having, you know, citizen journalists, people who have time after work to just go home and go through the footage, people that maybe were there on January 6th.
And journalists like myself that, you know, look for information.
It would be only fair to give us access to it as well.
So I was really upset when that happened.
I am happy with the way Tucker put out the footage last night.
I think there's so much more in there.
I hope he doesn't miss out on it, like, you know, the death of Roseanne Boylan and what happened to her after police dragged her off, for example.
And so many other things that I've seen that lawyers have shown me, but I've been unable to release because it's under protective seal.
So I've seen so much footage that I didn't see last night when Tucker put his piece out that I hope In the coming days, he will be able to find, locate, and show.
Congressman Jamie Raskin, who has smeared me in his public comments, said, quote, there are thousands of hours footage that are already out there.
He said this to MSNBC.
But the reason all of it wasn't released is precisely because it lays out floor design.
It lays out evacuation routes.
It lays out where the vice president went.
It lays out where senior members of Congress were evacuated and so on.
Tucker Carlson responded saying that the footage that they released last night had been vetted by congressional authorities to ensure that it does not pose a future security risk.
They further pointed out that the January 6th committee already aired footage of the evacuation of Vice President Mike Pence and Senator Hawley.
What do you think of that?
I mean, it's like you said, the January 6th committee already aired what they wanted.
They cherry picked it.
But I mean, what they aired showed a lot of if you're if he's going to use that argument, it's ridiculous.
You know, I just think Jamie Raskin's a liar, obviously, and anything he says I don't take seriously.
Obviously, I guess you could say that there would be security concerns, but at this point I think just release all the footage.
If there's some footage that I guess poses some sort of threat where there's a door that's leading to some sort of bunker, maybe they could take that out, but they should still release that to the attorneys.
I really believe that because the attorneys should be able to look for any type of exculpatory evidence.
When it comes to their clients who are still in pre-trial detention after two years.
So there could be exculpatory evidence in there.
And constitutionally, I think that even protecting the layout of the Capitol does not supersede the due process rights of a lot of these January 6th defendants that still remain in solitary confinement.
To this day, after two years, are facing decades in prison.
I think their constitutional rights to be able to see footage of that day so that they can have a fair trial Is more important than the security of the Capitol.
To be honest, that's how I feel.
You make a very good point.
The Constitution, by the way, guarantees them a speedy trial, which many of them have not received.
Look, I think anybody who entered the Capitol did so very foolishly, and I recognize that some people who are guilty of non-violent crimes should pay some penalty for that.
But you have written extensively about the case of Sarah Carpenter, which I find extraordinarily interesting.
Her crime seems to be entering the Capitol and banging on a tambourine, not exactly a violent crime.
Perhaps she could be charged with trespassing, but no, she's charged with obstruction of an official proceeding and a second felony charge of civil disorder.
Tell us about her case. - Well, she actually has become a friend of mine.
So as many of the January 6th prisoners have, She's a former NYPD policewoman from Queens, decorated policewoman.
She was the spokeswoman for the force during 9-11.
And she's just an overall good person.
A single mother, was there on January 6th.
And, you know, what she relayed to me in our conversations was what she was so upset about that day was really how the police were conducting themselves.
She just didn't understand why they were letting people into the building.
It kind of made her mad.
She has this kind of like motherly way of, I guess, getting angry at these cops because I guess she was in some sort of supervisor role when she was a cop.
And she was more or less yelling at the cops, like, what are you doing?
Why are you letting people into the building?
What the hell is going on started shaking her tambourine?
Which isn't illegal obviously and I'm just shaking her tambourine down the halls of Congress as quote-unquote the federal government said Trump supporters run amok as she shucked her tambourine And this gave them reason to raid her home her house.
I'm sorry her apartment in Queens, New York from what I understand there were helicopters battering rams armored vehicles into her home with her teenage son and And obviously has terrified her and traumatized her in many ways.
Her trial is this week.
And what's interesting about her trial is that she really wanted to see that footage that Speaker McCarthy promised.
So there's this 44,000 hours of footage that defendants haven't seen, their attorneys have not seen.
Supposedly it's going to get released to the lawyers, but that's still being sorted out.
So her lawyer put in a motion to say, please just give us 60 days to see if there's anything exculpatory in there.
And the judge denied it.
Which is typical with these judges.
They're completely politicized and just dishonorable, I call them.
And denied the motion.
And she started her trial today with a public defender.
In my opinion, not the greatest idea, but that's what she went with.
And her jury selection was picked within two hours, which is always alarming when you pick a D.C.
jury in two hours.
That means her attorney was not vetting these jurors.
A lot of them are BLM activists, Antifa types, federal government workers, which obviously they would be biased.
So her trial is going on right now as we speak.
And I pray for her.
I pray to God for her that she comes out on top and that, you know, she's exonerated.
But from the pattern that I've seen from following these cases and being there in person is that, you know, the track record of it has been guilty across the board for all defendants.
One case that is interesting to me, what can you tell us about the case of January 6th detainee Jake Lang?
Jake Lang, and again, a friend of mine.
It's crazy how you become friends with people.
He's now in Brooklyn, actually.
He's in a jail in Brooklyn, New York.
They've moved him around more than anybody.
So Jake Lang was one of the gentlemen who was, and he's a very interesting character.
He was at the Capitol.
He was by the entrance of the tunnel where Roseanne Boylan, for anybody who doesn't know, was the second woman who was killed that day, allegedly by police.
And a lot of people still don't know about her.
But she was being beaten by police.
And a lot of people were being violated by police by that tunnel entrance.
So that's where all that mayhem comes from.
The January 6th footage that you see where there was the most, quote unquote, violence or just, you know, fights with police was around the West Capitol entrance where Roseanne Boylan was beaten, where Victoria White was beaten.
Multiple other women were beaten by police.
So it caused a lot of ruckus, a lot of chaos.
Men started getting mad.
People started throwing things.
And he was in that area at that time.
And he's being accused, obviously, of attacking police officers, of obstruction of justice, of civil disorder, of all the felonies that they could slap on.
I mean, I guess you could, whatever.
I think he's done his time.
He's been in solitary confinement for two years.
That's just my opinion.
At worst, I'd say maybe he threw something towards police, from what I remember, which, you know, obviously that's a crime, but he's been in jail for two years now, pre-trial.
I don't think he was trying to overturn the election certification.
I don't think he obstructed justice.
And I don't think that he is a seditious conspirator in any way.
I just think he was a guy that got caught up in the moment, witnessed police beating fellow Trump supporters, and reacted at that time and had a human reaction.
It was a mistake, but I think he's paid for his mistakes.
And from prison, he's been doing a lot of things like fundraising to fundraise for documentaries.
and rallies.
So he's been active, I guess you could say.
That's why I think he's an ambitious guy that when he does come out of this, I think he's going to come out of this on top because he's been able to actually produce a documentary from prison that we released on the Gateway Pundit.
And it raised over $150,000 towards J6 legal funds, just that documentary.
So he's a good kid, I think, and his trial is coming up.
And I really look forward to going down there and covering that trial.
One really has to wonder how any investigation into the events of January 6, as conducted in the Kabuki Theater of the January 6 Committee, cannot include any focus or video on the murder of Ashley Babbitt, cannot include any focus or video on the murder of Ashley Babbitt, who was an unarmed Air Force, decorated Air Force veteran, threatening no one, shot and killed without warning, but uncovered by the January
shot and killed without warning, but uncovered by the January 6th committee, or the bludgeoning and smothering death of Roseanne Boylan, which you just made reference to, or the actual role of Ray Epps, who we have had confirmation in the or the actual role of Ray Epps, who we have had confirmation in the media, was interviewed by the January 6th committee, but was not called to testify for the public hearings and whose role was
So, it's very hard to understand how a complete inquiry could move forward.
Without any coverage of those most agreeable matters.
If you had to touch on other specific detainee cases that you think are problematic in terms of due process, what cases would you mention?
I would mention right now the Proud Boys trial, the big one, is going on with Enrique Tarrio and Joseph Biggs, who is on InfoWars, and three of their friends.
And that's a trial that I've been driving up and down here and there.
I've caught pieces of it in the courtroom.
It's fascinating.
To me, this stuff is fascinating, and I think that if only the American public, I say it a million times, could see what I'm seeing.
I'm literally probably the only person in the courtroom sometimes.
The news has abandoned this.
The only people there are a couple of fake news outlets who will just, you know, completely botch up the story and write a fake narrative, and they'll stay for five minutes.
But the only one who's really there observing are Gateway Pundit reporters, and I've been down there, and Alicia Poe has been down there as well.
Observing this and witnessing in real time how unjust the judiciary branch has become, how corrupt the judges are, and how demonic the Department of Justice is.
What is so egregious about, and it's coming out this week, and I'm writing an article on it about the Proud Boys thing is, that is one of the arguments that the prosecution is trying to use, which they call the tools.
And I know you taught the tools argument.
And Roger, I know you'll appreciate this because you're always talking about guilt by association.
So they're basically saying that anybody that, everybody that did something there violent that day was a quote unquote tool of the Proud Boys by association because they were there.
And they're using evidence such as a guy fist bumped one of the Proud Boys in the crowd three hours before this other guy, I guess, did something violent.
So that Proud Boy that fist-bumped him is therefore responsible for his actions and the five guys that were with him.
And when they passed by somebody and they're yelling in a megaphone like, whose house, our house, or 1776 or whatever, people that they passed by that heard that, that might have gone on to talk to somebody else that might have urinated in the Capitol or whatever, that's the fault of the Proud Boys, because they were a quote-unquote tool of the Proud Boys.
It's a crazy thing that is happening right now, and nobody's paying attention to it.
And I think that people should be afraid because of the guilt by association, and because it's such a violation of the First Amendment, because it's going to make people terrified to assemble, terrified to petition the government for grievances, terrified to organize rallies, because they're going to fear that if they say something in a megaphone and somebody goes because they're going to fear that if they say something in a megaphone and somebody goes and breaks something, they're going to So that's going on right now in the courtroom this week.
They have an FBI agent on the stand who's trying to, you know, nail them to the cross with this ridiculous tools theory and the judge is letting it happen.
And I think it's ridiculous and it's completely unconstitutional.
You're absolutely right about the fact that the trial has received very little coverage.
What little coverage I have read, I've read it in the Gateway Pundit, including a story that claimed that a memo which outlined how to How would you put it?
Occupy a government building that was sent by email to Enrique Tarrio came from some woman who was a government informant.
Did I read correctly?
You did.
I wrote that story, actually, and I was there, and the 1776 papers, or whatever they called them, you know and everybody knows it has Telegram, that people could send you stuff on Telegram, add you to groups, you have no control over it.
And somebody sent Enrique Tarria, which was this woman, Erica Flores, who was some sort of informant, This document, and there's no proof he even opened it.
Like, I have stuff people send me on Telegram that I never opened.
There's literally no proof that he opened it, no proof that he read it, and it turns out that the original author of the 1776 papers was an employee of the federal government who was quote-unquote groomed to be in the CIA.
Samuel Arms, I believe his name was.
You could go read that article on The Gateway Pundit, but he was the original author of the 1776 papers, which was A war game, I believe is what they call it, when they write out these scenarios, supposedly, in the CIA and in the government, where suppose the election was stolen, and this was all part of a big government-funded project, that coincidentally, before the election, they said, what if Trump thinks the election is stolen and doesn't react in a good way?
What would we do if that scenario happens?
And then they write out this whole plan, and they'll say, well, what if people invade the Capitol?
And it was almost like, They predicted what was going to happen, to a certain extent, with these 1776 papers, with this scenario, this quote-unquote war game scenario that this federal government employee, possibly CIA agent, has ties to the CIA, wrote It's just insane.
Like, you can't make this stuff up.
He wrote this paper.
He asked Erika Flores to give it to Enrique Tarrio because he knew that Enrique was, she was sort of honeypotting him.
And she sent it to him via telegram.
They present this evidence in court as if Enrique Tarrio actually wrote this himself, as if this was some sort of plan to overtake the Capitol.
The guy never even saw it.
Well, as I have said previously, I did not go to the Ellipse to hear the President's speech.
They know where the originations of this 1776 papers are from, and they don't care.
So they implied to the jury that Enrique had something to do with writing these papers, which he absolutely did not.
And that could be proven, and was proven.
And hopefully the jury is reasonable in this case.
Well, as I have said previously, I did not go to the Ellipse to hear the president's speech.
I did not march to the Capitol.
I was not at the Capitol.
I watched the President's speech from my hotel room, and then almost immediately after the President's speech, the house phone in my hotel room rang, and there were two Secret Service agents downstairs who said that they had been sent, although they didn't say by whom, to escort me to the Capitol.
I documented this, but I declined their kind offer.
It is vexing, to say the least.
Carl, if someone wants to help the January 6th detainees, and they want to be absolutely sure that their contribution goes to pay for good legal advice or family support, legitimate purposes, where can they go?
Go to the, I would say start with the Gateway Pundit.
Go through our articles and look at who jumps out to you the most.
Because then we have links to the direct, very direct gives and goes.
There's no intermediary.
We don't want to collect money and disperse it.
We will only put up people's direct, for the most part, people's direct emails.
I'm sorry, gives and goes, so that people, they get the funds directly.
There's a number of good organizations out there like Condemned USA, Citizens Against Political Persecution, which I run.
But I would say, start with the Gateway Pundit and just read through the articles and see who jumps out to you and who you would like to help.
Or if you really want, you could also contact me on my website or on Twitter at CaraCastronova.com or on Twitter and let me know and I can tell you where the most help is needed at the current time because there's a couple people right now that are really desperate, really need some help.
I think it's absolutely essential that anyone accused of a crime have competent, honest, legal representation.
And many of these detainees cannot afford that.
When I was targeted in the Mueller investigation, after I lost my home, my car, my savings, my ability to make a living because I was gagged, also most of my insurance, I had to rely on the support of tens of thousands of individual Americans to raise the money for my own legal defense in a trial that, at the end of the day, was not Winnable.
So I would urge folks to go to the Gateway Pundit and read the coverage of the January 6th detainees.
Find the give, send, go addresses for those whose stories call out to you, are most compelling to you.
Bakar, tell us about the organization that you started.
Well, I started Citizens Against Political Persecution over two years ago, right after January 6th, and believe it or not, that's how I started writing for Gateway Pundit.
I read an article by Jim Hoft on the Gateway Pundit.
It was one of the very first talking about the political prisoners, and I just couldn't believe it.
Like, I couldn't believe it.
So that's when I started doing my own investigations and started this advocacy group where we started the first rallies to bring attention to the fact that there was political prisoners in America.
And this was two years ago.
Never in my wildest dreams that I think that I would think in two years time it has actually gotten worse.
They're still arresting people every single day.
I get the emails from the Department of Justice.
I'm subscribed.
There's on average four people arrested a week pertaining to January 6th.
The Department of Justice has said they were going to arrest at least 3,000 more people minimum this year, and they have the budget to do so from the last omnibus spending bill.
But I started the organization just because I saw the danger in political persecution, and just to bring it to the awareness of the American public.
And I thought at the time very idealistically that I could reach the left, and maybe they would care, and that maybe they would say to themselves, if this is happening to these people on the right, what makes it What makes us think it can't happen to us?
And the power pendulum may swing and these same laws and this judicial precedent and this legislation they're trying to write based on January 6th might affect us one day.
So maybe we should be concerned.
And it's been really hard, I gotta say, for two years to get anybody in the liberal media to be sympathetic in any way.
I do think that's changing slightly.
But at the very beginning, my goal was to try to get the American public to really care.
And I think I was successful in a lot of ways.
Especially when it comes to the right and to the moderates.
But the left is still yet to be reached.
And I still hope to do that.
I'm idealistic to think that maybe one day they'll say, wow, these are our fellow Americans.
Political persecution is wrong, even if we don't agree with you.
And we'll fight for you just the same way we would fight for someone, say that's in Black Lives Matter.
Well, Cara, we have your Twitter link up on the screen.
But if people want to contact you, tell us the best way to do that again.
The best way would be on Twitter and also at my website, CaraCastronova.com, and you could contact me through the contact form there with any questions or any suggestions, or if you have any tips, I always say, send them my way.
Great.
Cara Castronova, a hardworking investigative journalist, a great friend of the show, joins us on The Stone Zone today.
Thank you so much, Cara, for being with us.
Thank you, Roger.
Have a great one.
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We here at the Stone Zone have extensively covered the case of Salvatore Greco, a proud son of Staten Island, who is a 14-year veteran of the New York City Police Department with an unblemished record of public service to the people of New York.
Officer Greco has often been posted to some of the most dangerous and undesirable precincts of New York.
He actually holds a record for arrests of those who are intoxicated.
And he was terminated by the New York City Police Department.
And he also lost his pension because of his association with me.
Based on a regulation of the New York City Police Department, which says that officers cannot associate with or have contact with convicted felons.
So despite my presidential pardon, this regulation was used to justify the termination of Officer Greco.
But recently, today, in the New York Daily News, a story has broken that rapper Cardi B, who is also a convicted felon as well as an admitted gang member, was invited to come to the New York City Police Academy where she hobnobbed with New York City police brass.
How can this be?
In other words, if the regulation is valid for Officer Greco, Why is it not valid for all those other police officers and officials who came in direct contact with a convicted felon?
A federal judge accepted an amended lawsuit by Officer Greco, who is represented by Eric Sanders, who joins us now to discuss this development in the case.
Yes.
Counselor, thank you so much for joining us at The Stone Zone.
Yeah, I'm frozen.
I see that.
But we can hear you and you look handsome, so let's go forward.
Okay.
So explain to us, give us the background on this case kind of quickly and then talk to us about your recent amendments that were accepted by the judge in the case.
Well, essentially what happened is You know this case about a police officer in New York City police officer have a regulation in place essentially that people members of the service which is uniform and civilian members of the NYPD are not supposed to associate with people with likely to engage in criminal activity whatever that means.
It's been on the books for a long time.
It's been on the book even when I was a police officer and this is the regulation that's using a patrol guy to now apply to Salvatore Greco, due to his association with you.
During the course of the investigation, first there was an anonymous letter that suggested that somehow he was going to engage in this civil unrest and overthrow of government in the United States.
The Internal Affairs Bureau of the NYPD engaged in this investigation using administrative subpoenas, and lo and behold, after they go through a significant amount of research regarding his conduct, They determined that he didn't engage in such conduct.
Matter of fact, he hasn't engaged in any conduct related to overthrowing the government.
But they did say, well, but he did associate himself with Roger Stone and Kristen Davis.
And since they have past records, therefore, he violated the patrol guide section related to that offense.
He goes to administrative trial.
He gives information to defend himself.
And the unfortunate part of what happened during administrative trial is the assistant commissioner made an assessment that he violated rule, didn't even give consideration to whether or not a person can have political and or familiar relationships with a person within the meaning of the First Amendment.
And how do I know this area?
Well, because I brought a case, one of the very first case I brought in the police department, Howard Henderson, And he was not convicted based upon the fact that the person that he was accused of associating with was a family member.
So it should have come out the same way.
Unfortunately, in the trial room, they kind of apply things as they feel.
And then the decision was given to the police commission.
Well, let me back up.
They also accused Salvatore Greco of associating with the Proud Boys and all the rest of the stuff.
But anyway, he was found not guilty of that.
So anyway, it goes forward to the police commission, who's now Sean Sewell, and she agrees with the trial commissioner, saying that his conduct would essentially bring shame upon the police department and his association would further deteriorate the image of the NYP.
I don't know what that means.
But anyway, then he turns around and Sewell agrees to terminate him.
Fast forward, we bring the lawsuit, ironically, in front of the same judges I had with the Howard Henderson case.
So we go To a point where the city says, well, we're going to make a motion to dismiss.
And lo and behold, the Cardi B incident comes up.
And I look at it, and I gave it some thought, and I had a discussion with Sal.
And I said, listen, I think I'm going to amend this complaint.
So I amended the complaint to include this rule.
And said, well, this is pretty interesting.
This is classic First Amendment stuff, because this case is premised on what you're really doing is you're engaging in content And affiliation, moderation, violative of the First Amendment.
So what the police department decided to do was, well, we'll have Cardi B. She was going to be a mentor to the youth, whatever that means.
I said, OK, fine.
So I said, well, if that's true, then if Cardi B can associate herself with the NYPD performance and community service, although I think it has nothing to do with the community, that's another story.
So then why is it that she can do that?
I said, well, in this complaint, I said, well, if she can do it, well, I guess that means that their engagement is direct evidence of content and affiliation association, because she's an admitted gang member.
She's admitted engaging in sexual contact with males just for the sole purposes of drugging them and robbing them.
She was involved in an incident in a strip club and other uncharged crimes, which is fine.
For our purpose, though, we don't care about Cardi B. We don't care about her background, only as it relates to this case.
So now, we say to the police department, well, if we go by your logic, then that means then, uh, Keyshawn Sewell should be terminated by Mayor Eric L. Adams because she works for him, and all the other police officers and civilian employees who associate themselves with Cardi B. If you have one rule, it's supposed to be applied in an equal manner.
So, who determines who's good and bad?
Cardi B is good, Roger Stone is bad.
Well, Mr. Stone, he had a record and it was vacated.
And well, we can argue that that was all political, but that's a whole nother story of the politics.
So then why can't Mr. Stone speak at the Academy?
He can talk about why police officers are important in society to protect people's First Amendment right to freedom of speech.
But that's bad.
And that's why we're here.
As you know, Mayor Eric Adams, a former New York City police captain, says in his own book that he provided security for Mike Tyson, a convicted felon, Reverend Louis Farrakhan, a convicted felon.
I believe that he was brought up on similar regulatory charges.
And after an investigation, the NYPD docked his vacation period by 15 days.
But this case, the case of Cardi B, is obviously, I think, far more recent and far more egregious.
I agree with what you just said.
There has to be one standard.
There can only be one standard.
And quite obviously, Sal Greco is being held to a very, very different standard.
Now I noticed that the many photos of Cardi B, the famous rapper, that were on the NYPD's Community Affairs website have been taken down.
Counselor Sanders, when you filed your amendment with the federal court, did the city respond?
Actually it was interesting because Judge Block, who's a senior judge in this case in the Eastern District of New York in Brooklyn, actually I filed an amendment on a Saturday.
I filed a request for an amendment on Saturday.
He didn't even wait for the city to respond.
By 10 o'clock that next morning on Monday, he already approved the amendment.
And then a few days later, the magistrate judge, who's the administrative judge, she says, well, you know, in light of the second amendment of the lawsuit, your ability to file a motion to dismiss is now moot.
Let's go forward with discovery.
So we have a date at the end of May to now.
Proceed through discovery.
So now we could get to the bottom of the arbitrary use of subpoenas, which is, that's a whole nother question.
And they've been doing that for a long time.
So we're going to get to the bottom of that.
Who made the decision?
How was it approved?
Because it's self-certified.
As well as, who invited Cardi B?
And people like Cardi B. And show how all these cases are treated differently, depending on either political association or biases.
Just like they found in their own investigation under O'Neill in the trial room.
The rules are applied in arbitrary matters according to biases and it's been documented in their own investigation.
I was somewhat surprised when the, I guess you would call him the prosecutor, in this administrative process, He himself filed a lawsuit against the NYPD charging some discrimination or bias.
What was that all about?
Well, that's interesting because Samuel Yee and I, we actually start out around the same time.
And it's interesting that he brought a case against the police department because he's essentially saying that people of color, in particular him and a handful of others, are being mistreated and they're failing to promote Okay, that's not his family.
within the department and bringing in outsiders and from the outside, which is fascinating because if that's true and you believe the logic of that and his allegation, then there would stand a reason that if they're mishandling cases on their own employees, they're applying that same bystanders to these cases. then there would stand a reason that if they're mishandling For example, Sal Greco.
Yeah, okay, that's not his family.
Well, according to the courts, Sal Greco determines who's the family relationship, not the courts.
And all the courts have to do is believe it's valid.
And that's it.
And for the most part, the courts have been very clear about this.
It's not a bright line test.
It's how the person determines the family.
As we know, people call their cousins, family, friends, etc.
And that's all it boils down to.
He never should have been convicted of violating rules because he violated no rules.
All they're doing is applying this rule in an arbitrary manner.
in ways that affects people because of what they like and they dislike, which is classic First Amendment violation.
This goes back to the history of when the First Amendment was first enacted in 1776.
No difference.
A very good, I think, fair and straightforward story in today's New York Daily News covers this, I think, quite well, with the exception of a false claim by the New York City Police Department that Greco had ties to the Oath Keepers, with the exception of a false claim by the New York City Police Department Had ties to the Oath Keepers, which is categorically false.
He may have come in contact with members of the Oath Keepers, but no such contacts were improper or illegal.
He was not, like me, at the Capitol on January 6th.
He took part and had no knowledge of those activities.
This is essentially a smear.
On the other hand, Cardi B is associated with the Bloods, a violent gang.
That is beyond dispute.
So what we're asking for here is one standard, that we don't have a two-tiered justice system.
One system of justice for those with a certain political belief and another standard of justice for other people.
Elementary fairness is at the bottom line of your case.
We will show once again your email address there on the site.
Eric Sanders is with the SandersFirmPC.com.
He is a most able attorney who has done, I think, an excellent job of representing the interests of Salvatore Greco.
Again, if you're just tuning in, Sal Greco is a 14-year veteran of the New York City Police Department, a proud son of Staten Island.
He's not accused of any wrongdoing on January 5th or 6th.
He essentially was terminated, lost his pension, and his ability, by the way, to work as a police officer in another jurisdiction outside of New York because the manner in which he was terminated.
So what he seeks here is to get his good name back, to get his pension restored, and perhaps even damages because he has lost his life savings fighting this case.
And therefore, folks who want to help him can go to helpthisnycop.com.
Helplessnycop.com.
It's right up there on the screen because this is a case that the future is unknown.
Mr. Sanders, what do you expect the time frame is?
What happens next?
Well, the next thing that happens, as I said a little bit earlier, we go to a discovery meeting or Rule 16 meeting, which is where I, myself, and the city, we sit in front of a magistrate judge and we talk about what discovery is going to be needed to try to investigate this case.
Now, one of the first things they're going to do is start talking about settlement.
Actually, the senior judge Block already talked about this.
He says, hey, are you sure that you don't want to settle this case?
And this is before the Cardi B addition, which is more direct evidence.
So they'll try to encourage the parties to settle.
And other than that, we're going to start going through the discovery process.
And then that's where we're going to get to see these connections on who approved Cardi B, what happened in San Greco, why did they say it was a criminal investigation against him, yet there was no grand jury, there was no conference with the district attorney, and why did they use the What I call the gratuitous use of administrative subpoenas for a criminal case, which the police department has warned not to do that before.
So all these things are now going to start to come to the surface.
So the city has to determine how far this is going to go, whether they're going to let this go throughout the whole discovery and risk going in front of a trial, or they're going to try to resolve it in Sal Greco's favor.
All right.
Thank you very much, Eric Sanders, attorney at law, for joining us here on The Stone Zone.
Again, I ask folks, if you are so moved by this case of injustice, please go to HelpThisNYCop.com.
HelpThisNYCop.com to help pay the legal expenses of this case moving forward.
Again, I think Officer Greco is very ably represented by Mr. Sanders, and we'll be watching this case Very carefully.
Mr. Sanders, thank you so much for joining us on The Stone Zone.
Okay, thank you very much.
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