Mateusz Morawiecki details Poland's successful resistance to EU "leftist liberal" policies, citing the construction of a border wall that halted 99% of migrant flows from Belarus. He argues the Green Deal subsidizes Chinese industries while enforcing an ideological agenda that threatens sovereignty, exemplified by his refusal to pay a fine for a coal plant serving 6.5% of households. Blaming US-funded NGOs for his 2023 election loss, Morawiecki predicts the EU will implode within 15 years due to federalization, asserting Poland remains a vital transatlantic keystone against China and Russia despite internal political shifts. [Automatically generated summary]
All right, so former Prime Minister, current member of parliament of Poland, I mentioned to you right before we sat down that I, Americans generally, and I'll make sure we don't talk about Poland that flex, but I often, in the context of talking about Hungary, the next sentence out of my mouth is usually, and Poland's doing it pretty well too.
So let's start there.
Is that a fair estimation coming from an American that Poland right now is doing it pretty well?
Depending what aspect you have in mind, because we have a parliamentary system in Poland, and my political camp won the last election, but we were unable to form a coalition government.
This is why the leftist liberal government was formed by my successor, but we were able to won a presidential election.
And president has a veto power over almost all of the legislation in Poland, so we still keep some power in Poland.
And the next election is in one and a half years.
But in terms of the critically important aspects of life of Poles, like stopping illegal migration, stopping that context.
Exactly, like our Green Deal madness, which is devastating industry all around Europe.
We were able to fend off some of this.
Like together with Viktor Orban, when we were both prime ministers a couple of years time, on the European Council meeting, we were able to fight virtually vis-à-vis all the rest of the members of the European Union members, and we were blocking the illegal migration pact.
Through this pact, Angela Merkel brought millions, if not tens of millions, of illegal migrants and changed culture of France to some extent, of course, not completely yet, but you know, this madness is going on there in Western European countries.
In Poland, we were able to stop it, not only the migration pact, but also this was my decision to build a wall between Poland and Belarus.
As Victor here in Hungary is receiving lots of pushes and hits from the European Commission, from the liberal leftist governments like the German one, like President Macron from France, who is left and liberal, basically.
They were attacking us through many different channels.
Unfortunate also that money from the Biden administration came to our NGOs and those NGOs were able to Produce hundreds of videos and promote them through the internet, which was very bad for the result of our election.
If not this, I'm absolutely certain we would be better by a couple of percentage points, which could make a difference in 2023, last elections, last parliamentary elections.
So, you know, it's very important that all the Republican parties, like I'm now president of the European Republican Party in the European Parliament, are also patriots of Europe with Santiago, Bascal, my Spanish friend, with Viktor Orban, with Andrei Babis from Czech Republic.
We should unite as much as possible to fend off all this leftist, liberal, politically correct, mad agenda.
And most people think he will, but that the relationship with America remains strong, that America shifts a little bit away from Western Europe, which is what Trump seems to be doing.
I mean, what do you think actually breaks the European push to control all your countries?
You know, it is happening as we speak because this terrible policy by the European Commission is permeating down to the social fabric, to the industrial zone, to the industrial workers, and so on.
And unemployment is on the rise.
Industry is being pushed out of Europe to China, basically, because the most stupid thing you can imagine is that through the European taxes, we were actually building four or five new industries, but not in Europe.
In China.
The electric vehicles sponsored by the European Commission.
So if Central Europe has some protections and has been a little bit better on much of this stuff than Western Europe, what do you see as the future of Western Europe?
Well, I hope that the common sense is going to prevail eventually.
But the process is relatively slow because that bureaucratic inertia in Brussels is very, very strong.
So even if most of the ordinary people understand that lots of things have to change, that things change very slowly in Brussels, in the European Commission, the European Parliament, in the European Court of Justice, which is usurping power more and more from sovereign states.
This is why I was on a collision course with the European Commission, because I said, you know, our prerogatives, the sovereign state prerogatives, are not going to be taken away from Poland.
They didn't like it.
We were the first or the second with Viktor Orban, with Hungary, to say no to this federalization or centralization of the whole continent, which is a mad theory, because we are 27 different countries.
So it's better trying to find a common denominator, talk to each other and find out the solution rather than being forced to a solution which is not working any longer.
But up to a moment, it was a very good experiment.
And I tell you what was the moment?
Changing the European economic community into the European Union.
The European Union, expanding its powers, its competencies, was invading the member states of the European Union and taking away the prerogatives of independent states, prerogatives of sovereign states.
And when the European economy community was dealing with economic issues, you know, which is the freedom to provide services, freedom of movement of goods, capital, and people, it was good.
It was okay because it did eliminate lots of barriers between member states.
But then it started to be ideological.
The woke agenda, gender agenda, migration agenda, the Green Deal agenda, you know, forcing the member states, forcing sovereign states to accept the power and the will coming from Grasses.
And this is a very wrong direction.
So either the European Union stops on this way to nowhere, or in a decade or next 10 to 15 years, it can really be imploding with its mistakes.
They came to my country and one judge from Luxembourg ordered my country to stop a coal power plant in southwestern part of Poland, delivering electricity to six and a half percent of the households in Poland.
So I said, no, go away with this idea.
Absolutely.
I disagree with this.
So they have imposed a fine on me.
So I said, you can impose a fine on me, but I'm not going to make the Polish population suffer because of your stupid decision.
But this is just a real example which happened four or five years ago.
And this is what is really jeopardizing many sovereign states across Europe.
You should know that Poland is a very transatlantic community type of country.
It's pro-American, but at the same time, it's pro-European.
And we would want to be a keystone of integration of a transatlantic world, vis-à-vis all those who are threatening us, like the Chinese-Russian tandem or the Islamic world.
You know, all the third countries which want to change our culture, invade us with their products.
And, you know, they want to change the way of our life.
And Poland wants to preserve the way of life.
Of course, now there is a leftist and liberal government in power.
My successor is very much pro-German, pro-liberal European Commission.
But the majority of the population, it's not so.
This is why President Navrovsky, our candidate, won the recent presidential election.
So come to Poland.
Poland is one of the safest countries in the world.
Ladies and my sisters, my wife, my daughters, you know, no problem going to the city center and no terrorist attacks and no attacks by illegal migrants because there is very little illegal migration.