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Feb. 6, 2026 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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New Proof of Ilhan Omar’s $5M Winery Fraud Just Went Viral
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Ilhan's Security Concerns 00:12:10
dave rubin
Previously on the Rubin thing.
You would advise to engage in the middle of an active law enforcement matter?
unidentified
Yes.
dave rubin
Find another lawyer.
unidentified
They all need to answer about these allegations.
dave rubin
Whoopi Goldberg is mentioned in the Epstein files.
unidentified
The worst reporter.
dave rubin
Jim Crow 2.0.
Anywhere that white people are, I often see black people.
All right, guys, it's Friday, February 6th, 2026.
I'm Dave Rubin.
This is the Rubin Report.
It's time for another Friday Roundtable Extravaganza.
And joining me are two Rubin Report veterans, the host of After Hours with Alex Stein.
Alex Stein and the host of Recovering Former Litigator Exclamation Point from Law and Politics and Beyond, Viva Frey.
Guys, I sense that if people want a dry, boring political program, they should probably tune out now.
You are jazzed and ready to go.
And before I do anything else, Alex, I mostly want to congratulate you.
Last time you were on the show, you were completely unemployed.
You had no money.
You had nothing.
You had a cat.
You don't eat meat.
It was very depressing.
But apparently you have a job again, and I'm very happy for you.
alex stein
I do.
And, you know, I get to work for Turning Point as well.
You know, I represent Turning Point, and we're going on a big tour, 12 schools this semester, starting with Texas Tech.
We're going to University of Michigan.
We're going to all over the country.
So luckily, Turning Point's been there for me as well.
dave rubin
Wow.
And are you going to do that Charlie style, just get into it with Q ⁇ As with the kids and all that?
Are you doing something else?
alex stein
No, I mean, last semester, we did the Q ⁇ As all indoors, but this semester we're going back out there, like in the student union or wherever we set up the tent.
You know, it's always a different location.
And we're going to just, you know, pick up the mic.
Anybody that wants to debate is going to debate.
So we're going to try to honor Charlie's legacy.
I mean, I'm obviously not as good as Charlie.
I'm Charlie Kurt.
I'm the bad version of Charlie, but it's going to be fun.
It's going to be exciting.
And, you know, I'm not worried about my safety.
We're going to have plenty of security, but I do think it's going to be something weird could happen.
People are very desensitized to violence right now.
dave rubin
Well, speaking of safety, Viva, I saw you last week in El Salvador.
You were very concerned before we got there about our security, but then we got there.
And man, it was safe.
Not only was it safe, we went to dinner.
My wallet was on the floor.
Someone returned it to me at dinner.
viva frei
Look, everything's good when you get home safe.
It's, you know, it's still, I say, still a Central American country.
It's very disconcerting when you don't actually speak the language of the country.
And to my shock, nobody spoke French there.
So French wasn't going to get me out of not being able to communicate.
No, it was safe.
It was beautiful.
You know, I had a bit of a, not a hiccup, but a delay coming back where I almost missed the plane because of a miscommunication in terms of misreading my visa.
But I got home and no, it was beautiful.
And it was great seeing you and the food flipping delicious.
alex stein
Wait, both of you guys know, wait, Dave, both of you guys know that I love big booty Latinas.
Now I feel excluded.
I cannot believe that I didn't get invited to El Salvador.
And I mean, come on, guys.
unidentified
That's right.
dave rubin
There definitely were some of them down there.
And there were a lot of guys on corners with big guns keeping the city safe.
And it was nice to be in, even though, even though in some sense, you kind of don't, you know, you don't want to see guys with big, heavy, you know, machine guns on the streets.
On the other hand, I've been to a lot of Democrat cities now where you don't feel safe anywhere.
And truly, and then we'll move on.
I mean, Viva, did you feel unsafe at any given moment?
We were out late night.
We were wandering around during the day.
I mean, it was safe and clean and on the way up.
viva frei
For sure.
It had the lingering effects of the crime-ridden era where the chicken wire and all the stuff.
But no, look, you kind of feel better when it's, to say to some extent, it's under martial law.
Feel better when it's known government police enforcement agencies as opposed to rogue criminals.
But yeah, no, it was surprising and it was great to finally see what the transformation of El Salvador has been in real time.
I didn't have the before and after like you did.
I just had the after.
But before it was the murder capital of the world and now it's sort of the innovation capital of the world.
dave rubin
Yeah, it's wild.
I mean, I was there about 12 or 13 years ago and true third world had to have armed security with us everywhere.
I barely could walk around.
All right, but let's move on.
unidentified
There's a lot going on.
dave rubin
We're going to cover all sorts of stuff here.
But I thought this first story that I want to cover is perfect for you guys because citizen journalism, people walking around with this little device in their pocket, has completely, absolutely overtaken mainstream media at this point.
And I want to start with this.
This is a conservative commentator.
Her name is Angela Rose.
She went to visit Ilhan Omar's winery, and you're not going to believe what happened.
unidentified
So let's see.
This is Sweet B again.
dave rubin
That is the address where Ilhan Omar's winery is.
You can see that a different winery is here, Punch Down Cellars.
unidentified
What does this note say?
alex stein
E-Street Crew does not make wine here.
dave rubin
They were a client many years ago and have ceased operation.
unidentified
Their operating address is linked to this address, like all other client wineries, because of state and federal filings.
So I wonder what else they have to show for it.
What do you think about that?
I think they're just trying to keep as much distance between them and their business and Ilhan Omars as much as possible.
Yeah.
alex stein
You guys, just do a little more research before.
viva frei
Yeah, that's what we're kind of doing right now.
Would you be surprised?
unidentified
Do you know what this place is?
No, that's why we came up with this place.
It's a custom crush place.
Every bunch of people use it.
Okay.
Right.
alex stein
So it's like renting instead of owning.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dave rubin
Oh, I see.
Guys, let's put aside the fact that Ilhan married her brother to commit federal immigration fraud for just a moment.
Viva, I've been to a lot of wineries.
I've never seen one so humble in nature.
viva frei
Well, do a little research.
Even if the excuse is that they're sort of like the generic manufacturing center and you can license out your own branded bottles, then they still have something to do with Este Cru LLC, you know, the limited liability company.
What I wondered, did it say seized or ceased?
And it was sort of like the transcription error in that video.
Because it would be funny if they actually used the word seized because they all went to the Learing Center to get their winery education.
You know, when you discover one element of fraud in a person, and they say past is prologue, but if it's happened once, it's happened more than once.
And you have this winery that it was involved in a lawsuit that was reported on in 2024 where they took $300,000 from a guy and said, we're going to put it in a winery and you're going to get five times return on your money.
And the guy was lucky to get his money back after some lawsuits because they, you know, potentially fraudulently misrepresented what the business would be.
I mean, they seem to be totally defunct.
How it's worth millions of dollars on a spreadsheet, a balance sheet, boggles the mind.
dave rubin
Yeah, signed.
You can't buy this wine anywhere.
Now it's defunct or never existed or something, something, but you can't buy it anywhere.
No one that I know has seen a bottle of this wine anywhere.
She went from basically being worth under $100,000 when she came into Congress to now being worth over $30 million.
They're saying a lot of it has to do with the husband.
But to the backdrop of some of the Somali fraud in Minnesota, I'm going to say something stinks in Somaliland.
No, Somaliland's the good guys, in regular Somalia.
alex stein
Well, I mean, to be honest, I would think that a woman that is, you know, if she practices Islam, she's a practicing Muslim.
Selling alcohol is her arom.
So when she dies, she's not going to get her 72 virgin brothers in heaven.
So she needs to really check herself before she wrecks herself.
And to be honest, that guy looked guilty to me.
The way that he approached them out there, it seems like I think Viva's right.
Like it seems like there is still a connection there because what would he have to be so aggressive with people filming?
Like he knows that she's an influential person and people are interested in the story.
So he seems guilty to me.
viva frei
It's good advertising.
Like why would he not want people putting that custom place on on blast?
Now, if you want to get your own crushed grapes, you know where to go.
It's called, what was it called?
Punchdown, which is ironic.
dave rubin
In essence, right.
If the argument is, hey, we white label so anyone can make their own wine.
It's like, hey, come on down.
unidentified
Let's roll.
dave rubin
But he doesn't seem that enthused.
What do you guys broadly think about what's happening here?
You know, it really got put on steroids with Nick Shirley.
This idea, and Alex, you've been out there doing these things forever, but like that the guy with the camera, or in this case, the girl with the camera, is just doing way better stuff than mainstream media.
And they are so far behind at this point.
What do you think, Viva?
viva frei
It is amazing.
I mean, there's the risk of capturing the wrong thing or exposing people's money source from fraud and, you know, eventually getting punched or worse.
dave rubin
You know, I mean, Nick definitely has security things.
viva frei
Well, and, you know, Nick did great work.
And then you know what's going to happen.
And I called it with Nick Shirley is that they're going to nitpick and find one or two mistakes to try to discredit everything.
And then when that doesn't work, they're going to try to smear the individual.
There is something to be said about getting on your feet and going on location, going to the source documents.
And it is the real journalism that MSM used to do back in the day, but they're not doing it right now.
And the results that it yields are amazing.
And it's accessible to everybody because it's out there.
You just have to scratch a little bit to find it.
But if Alex, the fact that her husband is worth that much money, that's part and parcel of the corruption.
It doesn't go like Ilhan Omar are going to make the tens of millions.
They do the one step away so that there's plausible diviability.
That's how the influence game works.
dave rubin
Right.
Someone that's gone from under 100 grand to 30 million about five years.
It's like, you got to be on Instagram like Cardone showing up on my feed every minute telling people how to make some money.
But Stein, you've been doing these things forever.
You get out there.
We've played that video of you with the, where were you with the with the trans activist like gets in your face and goes flying out of the screen?
Like you, you've just gotten in these people's faces forever.
Why isn't mainstream media doing this?
Like, why didn't someone from CNN be like, you know, we've heard this story about Ilhan, maybe we should send somebody over there?
alex stein
Well, I mean, you're exactly right.
I mean, if you look at it, the power that we hold with just having a camera phone is more powerful than, you know, dare I say Fox News or any, you know, CBS or ABC, any, I'm just saying, thinking of any media company, they're probably a little too highfalutin to actually go out there and really expose these people because, you know, it's like a person that has nothing to lose, a citizen journalist, is the most dangerous person.
And because these people are worried about losing their jobs or, you know, covering the story wrong, it makes them have to really kind of hesitate when they actually have a lead or a big story.
So Nick Shirley is able to break a story because he's not owned by anybody and he has total freedom.
And that's what it really comes down to, I think, is people can just go out there and do it.
They don't have a boss telling them not to.
They don't have to fill out an expense report.
And it just makes the methodology of exposing these people a lot easier because look, you just said it best at that Dragon Queen story hour.
All I did was have a camera phone and that video got tens of millions of views.
So it really doesn't take much other than courage to go expose this stuff.
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Unhoused vs. Homeless 00:15:11
dave rubin
So I love this one.
So this is a guy by the name of Ben Leo.
He's with GB News, and he went to Billie Eilish's house.
And as you know, earlier in the week at the Grammys, Billie Eilish said that no human is illegal on stolen land.
She apparently is a property owner in Malibu, some of the primo real estate in the country.
Take a look.
unidentified
Billy reckons there's no such thing as an illegal human because we're all on stolen land.
So we're here in Billy's quite posh neighborhood in Los Angeles.
alex stein
Let's go and see if she practiced what she preaches.
unidentified
Hopefully, if she sticks by her merits, she'll have no problem with me waltzing in, maybe making a cup of coffee or a tea.
$3 million home.
She's got some paddocks out in the back with stables and horses.
Maybe we can go for a horse ride.
I'm sure she'd have no problem with it.
Well, according to the driveway, Billy does believe in borders.
She believes in massive gates keeping people out.
alex stein
A couple of cameras up there as well.
unidentified
The lights are on, so somebody must be home.
Let us in, please, Billy.
We are here because this is stolen land, Billy.
And we think we should be given access to your quite lovely $3 million mansion.
dave rubin
I mean, this is what they hate the most, right, guys?
Like, we've always exposed their hypocrisy, or at least Hollywood has always been hypocritical in some sense.
But to me, what happened at the Grammys on Sunday was, in some sense, the height of the absurdity, right?
You guys with your armed guards, and there you have your walls, and you've got your snipers at the red carpet and everything else.
Viva, she's not going to give up that house, is she?
viva frei
Well, from what I heard, there's a LA-based law firm, Sinai Law, that offered pro bono to help the native tribe that owns the unceded land take back that home that is built on stolen land, the sort of the stolen fruits of the tree.
But no, the hypocrisy is so in your face.
The only people who don't really appreciate it are probably still watching the Grammys.
You know, a ticket-only red carpet gala, the snootiest of the snooties, lecturing the rest of the world while they have their little ivory towers to say, let everybody in.
I don't believe in borders and, you know, ICE shouldn't be doing anything, but nobody's coming onto my property.
You've got cameras, guns, and you'll be arrested.
You know, it's just so obvious.
I don't understand why people are still giving these people any form of celebrity status, you know, weight in society.
But I think those days are coming to an end.
dave rubin
Stein, you've slimmed down a bit over the years.
Why don't you scale that fence?
What are you doing?
alex stein
You know, I don't want to go to jail.
I'm trying to stay out this time.
But I'll just say this when it comes to Billie Eilish, I don't think she has an independent thought in her head.
I think somebody told her to probably go and say that.
And when you look at the way that these people dress at the Grammys, I liked it when Katy Perry, I don't like her politics when she wore a hamburger at that award show.
Like, I think there is kind of this angle where you can dress funny and it's, you know, kind of entertaining.
But Billie Eilish is doing the opposite.
Like you hear about looks maxing.
They're doing weird maxing.
Like they want to be as weird as possible for some reason.
And I guess it's to get it, get attention.
And I like to get attention, but it's just the wrong way to get it.
So for her to go and virtue signal about stolen land, it just makes me want to puke.
And I don't even think she had that thought independently.
Like I said, I really think somebody probably told her to say that.
dave rubin
Well, let me show you a guy who maybe looks weird, but actually was probably the only counter voice to all of the lunacy at the Grammys.
This is Jelly Roll.
jelly roll
I know they're going to try to kick me off here, so just let me try to get this out.
First of all, Jesus, I hear you and I'm listening, Lord.
I am listening, Lord.
Second of all, I want to thank my beautiful wife.
I would have never changed my life without you.
I'd have ended up dead or in jail.
I'd have killed myself if it wasn't for you and Jesus.
I thank you for that.
I thank you for my label, Broken Bow.
unidentified
Country Radio, baby.
jelly roll
What's up, dog?
Oh, Republic, John Manely.
We did it, baby.
There was a time in my life, y'all, that I was broken.
That's why I wrote this album.
I didn't think I had a chance, y'all.
There were days that I thought the darkest things.
I was a horrible human.
There was a moment in my life that all I had was a Bible this big and a radio the same size and a six by eight foot cell, and I believed that those two things could change my life.
I believe that music had the power to change my life and God had the power to change my life and I want to tell y'all right now, Jesus is for everybody.
unidentified
Jesus is not owned by one political party.
Jesus is not owned by no music label.
jelly roll
Jesus is Jesus and anybody can have a relationship with him.
I love you, Lord.
dave rubin
I mean Viva, putting aside the tattoos and whatever, the guy's been through some stuff.
Obviously I the truth is Maya Copa.
I did not know who he was.
A week ago I kind of made a joke about it on my show and my guy said, oh, you got to check out this jelly roll guy.
I mean the passion that he has and the truth that he's the truth, or the um, the path that he's sharing.
At a place like that you, you have to kind of applaud it a thousand percent.
viva frei
I was just I'll make a joke I was surprised to not see the likes of Billie Eilish and you know Nick, I can't think of any other of these celebrities, you know, bursting into flames at the idea of an actual God setting a higher moral order that none of them are living by, or very few of them.
No, Jelly Roll's amazing, I mean.
I've known him for a couple of known of him for a couple years he's been on.
He's lost, by the way, 300 pounds over the last two years.
So if you, if you didn't know who he was, you know before you wouldn't recognize him.
But when I first heard that, I'm like oh, how do I interpret this?
Is it, is it someone on the left, you know, telling the right that you know it's not only conservatives that you know hold on Jesus?
Or is it someone on the right trying to invite people on the left?
Or is it someone just saying, left or right, you can find some form of unification, salvation in God?
The message was beautiful and you know that's why you have the audience cheering, even though I think half of them were probably rolling their eyes because of the idea of an actual God and actual morality and actual natural law blows their mind.
But the other half, you know, certainly appreciated what he had to say.
dave rubin
Alex is the irony here that, you know, in some sense, we don't want to hear these messages from people when they the messages go the other way.
But in this case he was actually directly connecting his personal journey to his music, so it actually was applicable to say that up there.
alex stein
Yeah, and on top of that like, obviously I liked how he brought up his faith.
He talks about Jesus, but I I like the point that he made that it's both sides.
You know, it doesn't matter about political parties, because I really do think, other than a few topics most of us agree on, on a lot of things, like really most of people are in the middle, like people aren't usually too far right or far left, so having a message like that, encouraging both sides, I think that that was.
You know, I thought that was special because in a place like that, his counter signal, you know, could have been great or it could have been really bad for him and in my opinion, it went really well and it's a super viral moment.
So, you know, good on Jelly Roll for speaking his mind and not being afraid.
dave rubin
So, of course, the main thing at the Grammys was the Anti-ice Rhetoric and Justin Bieber with the ice out thing, and Bad Bunny and Billy Eilish and all of these absolute clowns.
And Viva, you kind of alluded to this.
In some sense, it's like, why do we care about any of this stuff?
I always say the answer to that is because politics is downstream from culture, as Andrew Breitbart famously said.
And I want to show you two videos here.
They're muted so we can talk over them.
But this is just two videos out of hundreds that have been going across the country of kids at public schools who are rallying against ICE.
And the rallies are, let's say, less than, I don't know, thoughtful.
Take a look.
viva frei
Well, an excuse.
unidentified
An excuse for violence.
alex stein
That looks fun.
dave rubin
There's a big, beautiful butt for you, or whatever it is that you like there.
alex stein
That looks fun to me.
Guys, if I had any excuse to get out of class early, I would have put on a dress to get out of class early.
So I don't, I mean, I'm empathetic to these kids having a good time.
I would do anything to get the hell out of math class.
dave rubin
Alex, I think that's actually the perfect point there.
They have no idea what they are doing out there other than everyone's doing it.
And when you were in high school, if someone pulled a fire alarm, it was the best day you could possibly have.
So why not grab a bottle of what, well, Prime is in plastic.
Give me something in glass that the kids are drinking now.
Snapple.
Snapple, is that hot with the kids now?
The diet ice tea, and chuck it and see if you crack somebody's skull in the name of racial justice or something, Viva.
viva frei
Well, I would be weary about whether or not these videos are actually what they are represented as being.
But we do know that these public schools were letting kids tons of them.
No, no, there's tons.
There's tons.
The only thing is, you know, not getting something that, you know, sometimes they swap things in that weren't, you know, necessarily of that school on ICE protest.
dave rubin
For someone to go out on a limb and assume that he was throwing the laptop in the name of anti-ice rhetoric.
viva frei
Yeah, absolutely.
Down with ice and down with homework.
We took our third kid out of public school for a number of reasons, but this was sort of one of them.
Even in a good school in Florida, you can see the indoctrination starts early.
If I had had a kid that was holding up pan carts, whatever those things are, the banners, because the teachers were telling them to protest ICE, that kid would have been out of that school that afternoon.
This is how you understand.
They get to the indoctrination of kids when they're kids.
They take them from their parents and they teach them the lessons or a lesson that only the parents should have the moral authority of teaching a kid.
And, you know, this is the number one good reason why you should pull your kids out of public schools if this is the type of crap that's going on there.
dave rubin
Alex, is the scary part for as loony as the left has gone over the last 10 years and as wacky as the Democrat Party has gone, now you're like when you see kids like that, they have no memory of a pre-internet world.
Like they're just growing up in all of this craziness.
And what could they be in 10 years?
alex stein
You know, Dave, there's these viral videos where they ask people what year they were born.
And if it starts at the 19, they show like a dinosaur and it makes me feel really bad.
You see these videos.
Yeah, I'm saying you've probably seen it.
It's a new editing trend and it watches it.
It makes me sick.
But you're exactly right.
Like these kids have never lived where they had a landline phone.
And I think the world was a better place.
I'm not trying to sound like Ankh or grandpa, but the world was a better place and we didn't all have a computer in our pocket.
So these kids never got to experience that.
And on top of that, when it comes to like the violence, you see how crazy they're acting?
This younger generation, they're totally desensitized to it.
I feel like their only option right now is to almost be violent, whether it's violent towards each other or violence towards people who they think their enemy is.
So that's the kind of scary thing that I think about the future is these people are totally desensitized.
They've watched everything.
They can find everything on their phone.
And now it's not necessarily about morals.
It's that they think that violence is just acceptable in this day and age.
dave rubin
Right.
We didn't have laptops back in our day in high school.
If you wanted to go out and protest, you had to throw a rock at somebody.
You know what I mean?
Like that was better.
It was a better time.
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But also to illustrate how these bad ideas then leak into public policy.
So it's not just that the celebrities are saying stupid things and we're focusing on it too much.
It just leaks into everything.
I thought this was interesting.
From Pajaro Verde, this is school board vice president.
Her name is Joy Flynn, and she really does not like the word homeless.
unidentified
I'm personally offended by what was presented on so many different levels.
one thing i would like to see updated is the word homeless to unhoused i'm i'm not i'm not done can i I just don't want Mr. Berman to for this to be on him.
That's the way our state of California, that's the language that they use.
And that's their language we have to use.
Those are their entire statements.
dave rubin
And I just want to make sure that Joy Flynn there, the Pajaro Verde School Board Vice President, she sort of represents everything that's wrong with all of this stuff.
Not the quibble about the words, I'm talking, doesn't matter what they say.
It's a little bit of everything there for you, Alex.
Which again, you may watch that and go, okay, but that's just one little school board here.
But then when you see all these videos, the kids going crazy, it's not.
alex stein
You know, I mean, what's the term we always use, woke ideology?
But like, that is the wokest crap I've ever seen in my life.
And you know what, the sad part about it is the homeless community is made up of vets and made up of American citizens.
But if I'm an illegal immigrant, I'm going to get a free hotel room in Manhattan.
So, you know, if she really actually cared about this, she would see that this system is a two-tiered justice system or a two-tiered social justice system that really affects illegal immigrants more than it affects American citizens.
And, you know, I'll be, I'll say this.
I'm a little empathetic to her because I could tell that she was getting emotional, not just because of that word, but she probably struggled.
She might have been homeless at some point in her life, but that still doesn't give her an excuse to be retarded.
So that's why I think, you know, it's really sad to hear her say that.
viva frei
I've been sitting here thinking, do I get to call this woman retarded?
And I was going to say, well, I'll go with politically retarded or political retardation.
It's absolute political retardation because she literally doesn't understand what she's saying, but saying it because of how it makes her feel.
My initial response to everybody who says, I personally find it offensive, too effing bad, but I don't care.
Now let's go into find out why you think the word homeless has some sort of inherent intrinsic negative connotation to it.
unidentified
Right.
viva frei
And unhoused logically means you have a house, but you're not in it.
Homeless means you don't have a house.
And it's not an offensive term any more than illegal alien is, but you can weaponize any term.
And then in three years from now, you're going to say unhoused is offensive.
We need to call them housed, but they don't have a house.
So now we're going to find someone's house to give it to them.
It's political retardation.
dave rubin
were literally saying what I was writing down as as I was writing it.
It just makes no sense.
Like even if you grant her every bit of empathy and she's a great human and doing good stuff and everything else, that they've whittled words into meaning things that they don't mean just so that they can be offended by one phrase or another that inherently is not more offensive than any other phrase.
JD Vance's Opportunity 00:11:44
dave rubin
Alex, you got to show up at this board meeting and explain that to her.
What are you doing?
alex stein
I know you said Perhero Valley, California.
I need to go there right now.
I'll make her have an aneurysm if I get in there.
You know, I'm going to bring my tuck-friendly bathing suit.
I'll bring a cast of characters in there.
She would actually, I'm not even kidding.
I think she would have a brain aneurysm and pass out.
But I need to make him a visit.
Next time I'm in California.
dave rubin
I'm going to use crazy people.
Let's turn to a sane person.
I am talking about our president, Donald Trump, who's trying his damnedest year into this thing to right this country while everybody's going after him, but he will not be here forever.
And he did a sit-down with NBC News a couple of days ago and was asked what might come post-Trump.
tom llamas
You endorsed in the 2028 presidential primary.
donald j trump
I hadn't even thought of it, but probably, yeah, I mean, I'd be inclined to.
I have great people.
We have a great bench.
We have a lot of people.
But yeah, I think so.
tom llamas
You've suggested that JD Vance, Vice President JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio would be a tough ticket to beat.
unidentified
Who should be at the top of that ticket?
donald j trump
Well, I don't want to get into this.
We have three years to go.
I don't want to, you know, I have two people that are doing a great job.
I don't want to have an argument with or I don't want to use the word fight.
It wouldn't be a fight.
But look, JD is fantastic and Marco is fantastic.
I do think this, the combination of JD and Marco would be very hard to be beaten, I think.
But you never know in politics, right?
They say in the age of Trump, you never know.
dave rubin
Viva, I just don't think we're ever going to have a politician as honest as this guy ever again.
I think that for as much as many of us have come around on him, I just think we still don't realize like his ability to everything he said there, I actually believe to be true.
He likes them both.
He thinks they'd both be good.
I think he'd be happy either way with either one at the top of the ticket.
He doesn't want to instigate a fight.
He kind of tells the interviewer, sort of a stupid question because we're three years away.
It's just like, it's all good.
viva frei
Well, first of all, he's also right in terms of not wanting to undermine his credit VP, JD Vance.
Now, things can happen in the future.
And, you know, J.D. can make his own decision in the future.
I'll say one thing.
I get a little bit of flack online because I'm critical of the administration, but only in the sense of trying to make it better and make them make the right decision, the best decisions possible and let them know what the voice of the people are still thinking.
Donald Trump is the best president in my lifetime, hands down.
And top three in the history of these United States of America.
He's not perfect.
Administrations are never perfect.
You deal with massive amounts of people that you're working with.
But he is an individual, as a president, is the president at the time needed.
And he speaks directly.
He speaks honestly, sometimes too honestly, but there's no such thing as too much honesty.
And he's amazing.
He dealt with that question perfectly.
And he's right.
Between J.D. and Marco Rubio, I like JD.
I also like Marco, who has risen to the occasion in this second term.
You got two great people.
dave rubin
I want to know who else is in your top three right there.
I assume you have George Washington, the guy did, you know, put down the mantle of running the military and the government at the exact same time.
That's pretty good, first president.
I'll assume he's in there.
Am I right?
viva frei
George Washington, Abe Lincoln, but although Abe, you know, had his foibles as well.
And then contemporary presidents, Ronald Reagan, I think he also has his issues.
But in my lifetime, I'm only, I mean, 47, it's hands down, Trump, despite what did right there.
dave rubin
He's always been pissed that Lincoln freed the slaves, and that was his subtle way of saying it.
Alex, go.
unidentified
No, man, he was corpus.
alex stein
Well, you know, I think Trump did say something, though, that resonated with me that there's no guarantee, even though Marco Rubio and JD Vance would be a hard ticket to beat in McKinney, you know, right near me, just north of me, a district that was 98% Trump voters just elected in a fill-in race for state senator, a Democratic candidate.
And a lot of people are going to underestimate Gavin Newsome or AOC, but the people that are blaming this loss are saying that the base is not energized.
So it's very important that JD Vance and Marco Rubio start laying the groundwork because they need to energize the base.
And nobody energizes the base better than Donald Trump.
So, you know, that's what it comes down to.
You're exactly right.
He's not going to be here in 2028, or maybe he does run as vice president and, you know, gets to do a little, you know, loop and swoop and become the president again.
That would be kind of funny and cool.
But at the end of the day, we need to actually take this serious because I don't want President Gavin Newsom sleeping with his staffers' wives.
And I don't want President AOC either.
So we really need to take this as a serious wake-up call, especially with the midterms coming up and less right here.
dave rubin
And also, you look, as he pointed out, the bench is pretty deep.
I mean, these are competent people in his administration.
And I could, I, I, obviously, I would vote for it with either one of them at the top and either one of them VP.
But let's continue with J.D. for a moment because I thought this was interesting from CBS.
Trump anti-fraud task force targeting California and more states to be led by JD Vance sources say, Alex, it seems to me to, you know, as we're all talking about fraud kind of secondary to the to the immigration and deportation thing, it seems like he's giving JD a real opportunity here.
Like if you can go in and be the czar, right, Kamala is the borders are big failure there.
But if you can be the czar to root out some of this corruption, that's quite a gift to hand you if you're going to run in three years from now.
alex stein
Yeah, no, you're exactly right.
Like he's giving him the opportunity to basically be the quarterback of the team, you know, even though Trump's a real quarterback.
I guess Trump's the owner and he's given JD Vance the ability to be the quarterback.
But, you know, like I said, when it comes to the Trump administration, I love Donald Trump.
But I think if the midterms go south, then a lot of people are going to lose their jobs.
Not JD Vance, obviously, but it's just really important that JD Vance starts stacking up wins now so that the voters are energized to support him because it's his position to lose.
And I think he's on the fast track to be the president.
But what the real sad tragedy in all this is I think Charlie Kirk was a dark horse candidate to be involved somehow.
And I would have loved President Charlie Kirk or Vice President Charlie Kirk because he was young.
He has the base energized.
I think that would have been an unbeatable ticket with Charlie Kirk on it.
viva frei
I said it when it happened.
It was a preemptive presidential assassination.
And I don't think there's any way around it, which leads you to maybe ask a few more questions as to how it occurred because it wasn't just an assassination of someone with a mic who does debates.
It was a preemptive assassination of a future president of America.
dave rubin
You know, I think I've only said this once on camera, but since you brought it up, the last time I saw Charlie was about a year ago.
I was at a Prager U event at Mar-a-Lago, and I'm standing with Charlie, and you guys know how tall Charlie was.
So I'm kind of looking up at him and beyond us in the balcony up there, Trump walked by and was waving to everybody.
And I said to Charlie, I said, that could be you one day.
And he goes, God help us all.
And then he had that kind of funny smile that he always had.
And it's like, I meant it.
I meant it.
And maybe he meant that actually too.
So yeah, we're not going to get him back, which is unfortunate.
viva frei
But yeah.
Oh, I'll say something just to Alexon, you know, like where you say we have two very talented, very, you know, capable candidates.
And I'm not trying to be funny.
When it comes to the left and Democrats, you know, competence is almost a liability, not an asset.
What sells is the Zorhan Mamdani, which is why I think AOC is particularly politically potent.
She, you know, she can sell you something and to the low-level information voters, they'll buy it.
Like Zoran Mandani sold socialism and New Yorkers bought it and the competence of the alternatives almost as a liability where it's too complicated to understand what JD is going to say, what Rubio is going to say.
But my prediction for the winningest ticket of all time is JD Vance for the president and Tulsi Gabbard for VP.
That, in my view, is the winning ticket.
dave rubin
You know, it's weird.
It's like, I agree with your prescription on the Democrats.
And it's in a way, it's like, why we have to root for the failure of New York City because only the failure of New York City could do some damage to AOC or whoever it's going to be on that side.
It's crazy, crazy.
Let's jump to one other thing because my favorite political pundit these days is Nikki Minaj.
And here she is going after Gavin Newsom.
unidentified
And he's making a fool out of himself like when he went all the way to another country to speak ill of the country and the president.
We would never want someone like that to be our president.
Americans are so big on loyalty.
And that just showed us all you do not have a loyal bone in your body and no one is going to vote for you.
dave rubin
Stein, we can get to the substance for just a second, but that New York accent, I mean, my God, I've never heard anything better.
alex stein
No, I love Nikki Minaj, and she's probably going to get more canceled.
You saw the Grammys.
All they did was attack her.
But this is the problem, though.
Gavin Newsom is so full of shit.
People will buy it.
I mean, people will literally buy it.
And a ticket with him and AOC because I think Bernie's going to be too old to run.
I do think that that ticket would be formidable.
I hope that I'm wrong.
But this guy is evil.
He will do nothing.
You know, nothing will, he will literally go at every length to win.
Like he will lie, cheat, and steal like he did with his staffer's wife.
So he has no moral compass.
He'll break every law, every rule, whatever it takes to become president or vice president.
So I'm worried about Gavin Newsome because he's such a scumbag.
And in politics, believe it or not, being a scumbag can kind of help you sometimes.
dave rubin
To be clear, what you're alluding to is that he quite literally banged his chief of staff's wife, who was his best friend.
I mean, the guy when he was mayor of San Francisco.
But Viva, to the context of what she said, she's obviously talking about Newsom showing up at Davos talking crap about America.
And I was thinking about it, and this is why she's my favorite political pundit.
Do you think any other country had opposition there trashing their own country?
I bet you they didn't.
I bet you they didn't.
viva frei
Well, he'll say, I'm not trashing my country.
Gavin will say he says, I'm just trashing Trump, who himself is trashing the country.
dave rubin
Okay, well, even that version of it, I bet you they didn't.
viva frei
No, no, the fact that he goes there as though he's some form of political, meaningful international political representative, it just shows his aspirations to be president.
But Nikki's right and wrong on the one hand, like, yeah, he's a traitor, traitorist of sorts, disloyal to the country.
That sells with Democrats.
That sells with people who think that their country is inherently evil, and they have to go on some groveling pity tour to apologize for the evils that their country has, you know, committed nationally or domestically and internationally.
So, you know, she identifies his fault, but that's actually an asset among his demographic.
They want to shit on America and they want someone who's going to go abroad and do it proudly.
That's just in the nature of the party.
alex stein
Real quick, I have to cut in.
I thought that he went to Davos to have a speech and then they didn't let him speak.
So they ended up letting him speak because I thought his speech got canceled.
Am I not?
Am I wrong?
dave rubin
I think maybe his big speech got canceled, but then he did all these panels and obviously was doing press the entire time, you know, pretending to.
alex stein
He did a ton of press.
I saw that.
But yeah, his main speech got canceled from what I heard.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave rubin
And then when Trump was up there, he's in the back doing all his weird body motions and like something is not.
viva frei
But Dave, you don't want to be unfair to Gavin.
He apologized for having an extramarital affair with his intern there.
He came out and said, I let you down.
And can you imagine?
Like, it was an Eminem lyric, not to quote Minim.
It's like, oh, yeah, you talk of an affair like you slipped and fell into some woman's groin.
Like these are fundamental judgment errors.
And then you come out and apologize for it and expect everyone to forgive and forget.
And they do because the collective memory, especially of Democrats, is very short.
And they don't remember what he did.
I think it was about 15 years ago now.
dave rubin
I don't know.
He's kind of tall.
You know, he's always crossing his legs in those crazy ways.
Maybe he did fall right into her vagina.
I have no idea.
Gavin Newsom's Apology 00:04:08
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Let's change topics altogether because I thought this was just heartwarming.
Let me see if I can break some of the ice off both of your cold hearts here because this is just an absolutely incredible story.
No sarcasm right here.
This is from Colin Rugg on Twitter.
New 13-year-old Australian boy swims for four hours in cold and dangerous waters to save his mom and siblings who were swept into the ocean says God is who got him back to shore.
The family was on kayaks and paddleboards when they were swept out about two and a half miles out to sea.
After a conversation with his mother, Austin Appleby decided he would swim back to shore to find help.
unidentified
Everything goes through your head as a woman.
Did I make the wrong decision by sending him because I knew he was the strongest thing you could do?
I would have never went because I wouldn't have left kids at sea.
So I had to send somebody.
alex stein
There was no boats.
unidentified
There was nothing that we can get hold of.
And then as it got darker, yeah, I thought there's no one coming to save us.
austin appelbee
I was fighting rough seas because I thought I saw something in the water and I was really scared.
I was just thinking, I was just thinking in my head, like thinking I was going to make it through.
But I was also thinking about all my friends at school and friends of my Christian youth.
And yeah, I just said, all right, not today, not today, not today.
I have to keep on going.
I don't think it was actually me.
It was God the whole time.
I kept on praying.
I kept on praying.
And I said to God, I'll get baptized, I'll get baptized and all that.
And I went to church on Sunday.
dave rubin
According to the AP, the family drifted nine miles from Quindalo and spent 10 hours in the water.
When he reached the shore, Appleby alerted authorities who then sent out a helicopter to find his mom, 12-year-old brother, and eight-year-old sister.
Austin's mom, Joanne Appleby, said one of the hardest decisions of her life was sending her son to shore.
What a remarkable kid.
I mean, guys, it's just incredible.
Like the human spirit actually is just incredible, Alex.
alex stein
Well, I'll just say that he probably did have the power of God.
It's like when a grandmother's able to lift a wrecked car over her grandson or granddaughter.
But you know what I'm thinking?
Because I'm kind of a sick person.
We need to get him in the women's swimming league because that guy is the next.
Leah Thomas.
I mean, that's a champion.
That's a champion swimmer in the making.
viva frei
My not-so-funny joke is the kid doesn't need to get baptized.
He got baptized through that four-hour journey and finding God.
It reminds me, I think it's, I want to say Nietzsche or Kierkegaard who says, you know, the value in prayer is the change internally that it brings about in the person in terms of their connection to a God.
You know, it's amazing.
I don't know that as a parent, if I would ever let my kid do that.
I mean, A, I would think I would want to do it myself, but B, I would say take our chances in the kayaks and drift, but swimming through four hours of cold shark-infested water, swimming for four hours on ordinary circumstances is impossible.
It's a miracle.
Nothing shy of it.
And this kid for the rest of his life is going to have a very meaningful connection to God.
dave rubin
You know, that would be a really lovely way to end today's show.
But instead, we are going to launch a new segment right now.
Why Hair Transplants Matter 00:05:16
dave rubin
It's called This Week on the Internet, a little bit of television style comedy for you guys.
Just bear with me as we do this because, guys, a lot happens on the internet.
And we are an internet show here to cover it.
This week on the internet, guys, while Billie Eilish in her $14 million mansion lectures us about how no one's illegal on stolen land, the Tongva tribe says, hey, colonizer, how about you give us our land back?
The Tongva tribe literally wrote, as the first people of greater Los Angeles Basin, we do understand that her home is situated on ancestral land.
Eilish has not contacted our tribe directly regarding her property.
So the question is this, Billy, are you going to give the land back?
You could maybe open it up to Kilmora Brego Garcia.
Or are you just afraid to be hit hard and soft?
You get it, guys?
Because that was her album, and he hit his wife with a boot.
Speaking of getting hit hard, Trump may smack Trevor Noah with a lawsuit over his Epstein joke at the Grammys.
We're told his lawsuit could hit harder than this.
alex stein
That guy won, Dave.
dave rubin
The guy who had the toupee knocked off, he won?
alex stein
He won the fight.
Yeah, see, yeah, he won the fight.
Like, I've got he paid 600 bucks for it, and then he wouldn't try to get $650 back.
But yeah, he or whatever, you know, or $700.
But yeah, he won the fight.
dave rubin
Lost his toupee, won the fight.
Yes.
viva frei
No, but I say this is, you know, maybe as a man with hair that I would, I don't think I would care if I were bald.
Why wear a toupee?
And especially why wear one in a bald city.
unidentified
Timeout.
alex stein
No, I have to cut you off.
Being bald is the worst curse that a man can face, dude.
Being bald.
No, serious.
Are you serious?
Viva, I thought you were a smart attorney.
Being bald is a curse, dude.
Nobody wants to be bald.
Like that guy, if I was bald, I would glue so much hair on my head.
I mean, no way, Viva.
Don't ever say that.
Being bald is the worst possibility that we can get to that.
dave rubin
I love how Viva, you want to take your headphones off for a second?
Your hair is the most psychotic, overgrown, maniacal creature I've ever seen attached to someone's head to the point that we were in Ubers together and it was touching me at times.
viva frei
I was on a plane once.
dave rubin
It was like the symbiote.
It was like venom.
viva frei
I was doing this on a plane, you know, like putting my hair over the back of the chair.
And then the woman behind me is like, can you stop doing that?
You're shedding on me.
I was like, oh, my God.
Look, look, when I think bald, I think Bruce Willis and Ving Rains.
Those are the two people I think of when I think of shaved head.
They wear it well.
They're cool.
And I don't think there should be a stigma around being bald.
alex stein
Oh, really, Viva?
An A-list actor is cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex stein
No shit, Sherlock.
I mean, give me a break.
And let me tell you something.
I would cut off my pinky if it meant I got to keep my hair.
That's how serious I am.
And that's why you take it for granted.
Don't take it for granted because I'm starting to recede.
My dad's gotten two hair transplants.
I'm about to get one here.
And, you know, I'm still a young buck, but when I get a little older, I'm getting that hair transplant.
They're taking hair right from my butt because the hairs are this long, putting it right here.
That's what they do, Dave.
It goes from your butt and your lower back.
It's where the strongest hair is.
dave rubin
I did not know that.
As long as we're doing late night comedy.
All right, guys.
Remember the time when Hollywood Awards shows weren't always this way?
Celebrities used to be respected, revered, but it's now a place where they dress up like raw chicken.
What is going on there?
will get Selmonella just from looking at that picture.
But sticking with the Grammys for a minute, guys, Taylor Swift wasn't there this year, even after the huge success of her ERA's tour.
But it's interesting that she's not the only artist who's adopted this ERA's concept.
Apparently, Lady Gaga is doing it right now.
Although rumor is that's actually Marilyn Manson with less makeup.
I could be writing for Gutfeld.
Who's doing this?
It's incredible.
viva frei
Well, I guess that same joke.
Apparently, it's been a meme for a while that people say you've never seen them in the same room together.
dave rubin
Oh, and I have never seen Marilyn Manson and Lady Gaga in the same room.
And guys, if you thought that wokeness destroyed Hollywood, wait till you see what it's done to video games.
This is incredible.
Because on Minecraft, it's Black History Month.
And on Minecraft, they are now quoting Tim Walz' Make Good Trouble.
So if you're unfamiliar, I mean, this is real.
If you're unfamiliar with Minecraft, it's a game where young children can build houses with friends.
You can fight ender dragons.
Or apparently you can shove this lady into the back of the bus.
unidentified
Did you see this?
dave rubin
This is real.
viva frei
It's not real, Dave.
dave rubin
This is real.
Yes, it's real.
That's really from Minecraft.
Yes, but don't worry, guys.
The kids are going to be all right unless you're an illegal on Roblox, in which case they're doing this.
viva frei
This is politics ruins every politics is down ruined Roblox.
You can't even play a game anymore without politics rubbed in your face.
dave rubin
I literally don't know.
Are you the ice agent or are you the guy with the hat or what?
The point of all of this, guys, is that this week in the internet reminded us that celebrities' opinions do not matter.
You can never appease the woke mob.
And your parents were right when they told you video games were going to rot your brain.
Alex Stein, Viva Fry, thank you for playing along.
Have a great weekend.
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