Is This the Beginning of the Downfall of Nick Fuentes, Andrew Tate & the Toxic Right?
Dave Rubin and guests dissect the Miami club incident involving Andrew Tate, Nick Fuentes ("the douchey frog guy"), Myron Gaines (Holocaust-denying "cookie shirt" anti-Semite), and Sneeko, framing their fame-seeking antics as toxic exploitation of young men’s insecurities. Sosnick contrasts Fuentes’ online radicalism with Charlie Kirk’s physical discipline, while Tatum dismisses their lack of marriage or wealth as disqualifying leadership traits. The episode also debates Trump’s Greenland military push—$50M for U.S. infrastructure—as a strategic necessity against Russia/China, and the Gaza peace plan’s economic zones, questioning if economics can override Hamas’s entrenched terrorism. Ultimately, it warns that unchecked online provocateurs and half-measures risk normalizing extremism while failing to address deep-rooted conflicts. [Automatically generated summary]
This is the Rubin Report, and it's Friday, which means it's time for another roundtable extravaganza.
And joining me today are Rubin Report Veterans One, the co-host of the PBD podcast and now acclaimed Nazi hunter Adam Sosnik, as well as the host of the Officer Tatum show, my friend Brandon Tatum.
So, Sas, first off, you did a bang-up job there because everyone knows it's not that fun to confront this nonsense right there when they're on your show and you know all that stuff.
But I thought it was interesting because he kept saying they, they, implying that he has nothing to do with this when he tweets out all this Jews stuff or the Nazi stuff or whatever, that it's that it's not him that's doing it.
Brandon Tatum said that probably the most important thing, which is the biggest thing for me, is who's leading young men?
I look at Brendan Tatum as a leader amongst men.
I look at PBD as a leader amongst men.
That's the same way I look at Tate.
And he can go one way or another with this.
The challenge is this.
My North Star, and I think both of you agree with this, is what would Charlie Kirk feel about this?
Because Charlie's not here anymore.
And who's carrying on his legacy and defending what he feels?
And to me, Charlie's a man and Nick is a kid.
And Charlie is someone that goes outside and debates people while Nick stays inside and masturbates looking at whatever images of people.
So to me, it's completely different.
Now, we talk about the average man.
Tate talked about, well, the average man can't get a girl anymore.
The average man can't buy a home anymore.
The average man.
I said, why should average allow you to do anything amazing?
And in my opinion, it's not actually Nick's fault.
I mean, he's a generation of kids that grow up on the internet.
And my North Star, other than Charlie Kirk, is one question.
Have you ever been punched in the face?
Because there's a big difference between socializing and social media.
And there's a whole generation of kids who've never been punched in the face.
And if there's no ramifications of you saying the N-word, and if there's no ramifications of you being Jew hater, what do you think is going to happen?
So Charlie Kirk is somebody talking about him playing basketball.
He's outside socializing.
He's in real life.
There's a generation of kids that have grown up on the internet who have never been punched in the face.
Now, I'm not condoning that anyone gets punched in the face, but when you get punched in the face, you stop saying these things.
I dare Nick Fuentes to go out in the middle of Chicago and start saying the N-word.
His face may be rearranged a little bit.
So that's what I'm recommending.
Last point.
It was just MLK Day.
MLK talked about having content of character.
All these kids that are doing content forget the most important word, which is the second word, which is character.
You can do content all you want, young kids on the internet.
Yeah, I think Charlie was kind of like the, I don't know, the plug that held all this back.
Because now that he's gone, people are now trying to fill that gap and become the next Charlie Kirk.
And these men don't have the experience, exposure, maturity, wisdom, and godly mentality to actually do what Charlie did.
You know, I think that some people are giving, I forget, Andrew Tate a little bit too much credit.
I think to young guys, maybe Andrew Tate is cool, but to people like me, I'm not impressed by Andrew Tate.
I'm not impressed how he made his money, and I'm not impressed how he leads young men.
He's kind of almost, in my opinion, fear-mongering young men into having this mentality.
I mean, there's sometimes he does say things to motivate them, but he's creating this environment where young men are being tricked into thinking that it's cool and that means you're successful if you got a lot of women and you're very boastful and arrogant.
And I don't think that that should be the case.
When you talk about young men can't own a home, well, there's multiple ways in order to generate wealth as a young man.
Home ownership isn't the only thing.
Really, you should be worried about can I invest in property that pay me money, you know, and outside of my own residence?
So there's ways you can invest in the stock market.
You could create your own company.
I created multiple companies.
You know, acquiring companies and selling companies is the way I like to make money.
But I think that I would like to see these men be actual men and be leaders.
And I think they don't have a, I'll use the word North Star because I believe in God and there's principles in the Bible that adequately describe what a man should be and what a man should not be.
And also how a man should treat women and how a man should view women.
And immature men struggle with this.
They view women as the enemy.
And one reason because they don't have self-respect and they don't have self-confidence.
And then as the immature young man, you go after women for superficial things, like how good she looks, you know, how well she's dressed.
And those things are superficial and create animosity between young men that don't add value enough to get that woman.
And, you know, you turn into like a Nick Fuentez or you, you know, you're unmarried like Andrew Tate and some of these other young men.
You know, it's interesting because so much of this, I think, also circles around what you mentioned a moment ago, Adam, which is that, you know, the three of us are of a certain age.
Adam, I think you and I are, you're 49 too, or I got a year on you.
And it says on X, she wrote, when a brand new form of media was in its infancy seven years ago versus holy cow, what did we do to ourselves?
And it's a very famous picture on the left.
I happen to be in it, but it's Sam Harris, Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, Eric Weinstein, Jordan Peterson, and me at a dinner in LA.
And that was at the height of sort of the alt media and the intellectual dark web.
And what you have there is a group of people who, Brandon, you mentioned these guys don't have expertise in anything sort of.
Like you've got a physicist there.
You have a world-renowned psychologist.
You have the biggest podcaster in the world.
You've got Shapiro who built a media empire.
You had this interesting group of people who disagreed on a million things, but were all kind of adults and trying to slog through something real.
And as she's illustrating, now we've been left with this.
So my question to you, Brandon, is what is it about the conservative movement now that you have so many people interested in influencers who are not conservative at all?
None of those guys in their behaviors are conservative.
Yeah, I think what's happening is that the older generation is struggling to connect with the younger generation, and therefore there's a gap.
And these individuals that we see on the screen that is causing a lot of ruckus, they're filling the gap because the young people see them as being cool and they're speaking to their fears.
A lot of young people are fearful of what the dating aspect looks like today, especially for young men.
They're not confident.
So they can't, they don't know how to, they're on the internet trying to talk to women instead of meeting women in person.
So there's this gap and the people that are filling the void are the Andrew Tates and the Nick Fuentezes of the world.
And that is inherently problematic.
You know, it's kind of hard for a man that's not married to tell other men what it's like to be married or how to get married.
I'm not saying you can't add value at all, but I'm saying it's kind of hard.
If a man has never built wealth, I don't really want to listen to them about how to build wealth.
I'd rather listen to somebody who's wealthy and who's done it.
Not saying that I can't hear anything from them, but I'd rather listen to a person that has already done it.
And these, like, for instance, and I think we're sugarcoating it just, not we, but I think the society is sugarcoat on a bit.
Myron is an anti-Semite.
That guy, even if he's not and he's putting on that he is, that's even crazier.
I saw him the other day just flat out say he hate Jews and that Jewish people suck and all this old crazy rhetoric.
By the way, I don't mean to dismiss it in any way.
You're totally right.
I don't mean to dismiss a version of that.
I just think generally for, say, the three of us to have a conversation about it, like getting hung up on that is exactly what they want us to get hung up on.
We don't have to get hung up on it, but I think the realistic perspective is that a man is immature if that's the way that they're thinking.
Yeah, you go look at the religious perspective of all of these guys.
What do they actually believe?
You know, I think Myron is a Muslim, which I don't even think he, like, the Muslims that I know have a little more decorum and respectable, and they respect their religion and they respect people and they present themselves a little more, you know, like, I guess, mature.
Yeah, but there's a reason why he's trying to cover that up, in my personal opinion.
And then you look at Nick Fuente and say he's a Catholic.
I don't know a single Catholic that goes online and curses and uses that type of language and vulgar behavior than somebody like him.
So a lot of these guys are even confused in their own convictions.
And I wish that there would be more men that stand up.
And I got to give credit to PBD because I saw a little clip of PBD kind of chastising Andrew Tate about his involvement in that whole thing in the first place.
Because he had asked Andrew Tate, he said, would you invite me to that?
Andrew Tate said no.
And that's the same thing how I feel.
Like men of valor and respect, I would never even call them about certain things that I know that they would never be involved in.
And to me, PBD is an example of what a real mature man looks like.
And people like him and others like that are the men that I look up to.
I don't look up to somebody because they got money and they drive a Bugatti.
Like that's materialistic things that have a means to an end.
I look up to men that have a family and they understand the value of being a father and a value of changing the generation in a mature way and actually having a faith that they can realistically, you know, I guess back up their argument with and not these guys who are clickbaity and want to be cool.
Andrew Tate can't get away with saying, well, I walked out of the sprinter van when they started playing the music.
You shouldn't be in the sprinter van.
My wife would be ashamed of me if I went to a nightclub and got and getting bottle service.
I'm a Christian man.
Like I have standards that I live by.
And I'm not trying to judge anybody on the things that they want to do, but don't project to be this.
And then you caught out with these weirdos in a sprinter van singing the most ridiculous song that I've ever heard.
Adam, Adam, let me ask you one other thing on this, which is there was an interesting moment where Tate basically was like, you know what?
These guys don't really hate Jews.
It's just that, you know, we sort of showed this a little bit of it before, but there was an extended version.
It's just that, you know, things aren't great, basically.
So they're going to hate Jews.
And I thought, you know, there might actually be a grain of truth in that, that when things go bad in a society, you look for a scapegoat and Jews generally are the scapegoat.
So there's a grain of truth in that.
But you would think, again, he might then say, okay, let me look in the mirror.
Am I helping or hurting now?
And maybe, maybe you will be a gateway to getting this guy to come around a little bit because his implication wasn't it's not really the Jews.
He's going, oh, they're just the scapegoat and I'm in on the scapegoating.
And my dad looks at me and slaps me across the face.
And dude, my face is numb for a week because we don't use that word in this house.
I'm shaking like crazy.
He goes, I can buy you a new bike, but I can't buy you class and I can't buy you respect.
Never use that word.
I've never used that word again in my life.
It was the first and last time I've ever used that word.
So my question is this: Who's Nick Fuentes' dad?
Who's letting your son talk like this on the internet?
Who are these kids' parents?
Who's not saying, dude, you're embarrassing yourself, you're embarrassing the family, you're embarrassing every single member of our family because you want to rage bait on the internet?
No, And to me, that's what it comes down to.
Have you been punched in the face, either literally, physically, emotionally?
Has someone G-checked you and said, we don't play that game here.
So the last point is this.
This is why Miami is so important.
We see what's going on in New York with this Mamdani situation.
We see what's going on in LA and California with Karen Bass and Gavin Newsome.
We see this.
We see all these billions of wealth in.
We're out of here.
And they're all going where?
To Miami.
So, you know, I helped Stephen Minor kind of get elected the mayor of Miami Beach because I sent out a tweet in his behalf.
He ended up winning by 300 votes.
Thank you for your support.
And the whole culmination of that is you're not going to Mamdani our Miami.
Miami is a melting pot.
I grew up, especially on the basketball court, me, Jewish guys, black guys, Haitians, Jamaicans, Venezuelans, Cubans, half my friends are Cubans.
So we don't stand for racism, anti-Semitism, socialism, communism, wokeism.
What did Governor Ron DeSantis have to say?
Florida is where woke goes to die.
Well, let me add to that.
Miami, specifically Miami Beach, is where blatant racism goes to die.
So we're not playing that game in Miami because this is ultimately the last bastion of just normalcy in America today.
You talk about sane views in an insane world, right?
This is what it comes down to.
That's why Miami said, no, 24 hours later, they're all excommunicated from ever coming to a club again in Miami because we're just not playing this racist game.
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Okay, let's jump over to a couple pieces of international news and then we will leave you good people for the weekend.
Let's talk about Greenland for a little bit because it is going down.
As I said weeks ago, if Trump wants it, it's going to happen one way or another.
So, Brandon, as we're recording this, we're finding out a little more information about what the deal structure is going to look like.
But it was just fairly obvious to me from the beginning.
Trump said we're going to do it.
Denmark, yes, they planted a flag there a long time ago after the war, but they've basically done nothing there.
It's a massive landmass, 57,000 people who might like the protections of the United States.
And even Mark Carney in Canada, who's pretending that he can stop Trump, he will be happy when there is a missile defense from, say, Russia or some other bad countries a global way that he can't do anything about.
And by the way, I'll have my guys lay in a map and then you can really see why if you were worried, say, about Russia particularly, but China as well, that Greenland and the Arctic is going to be at least the buffer of the next battlefield.
Adam, part of my thing with this is that I think a certain set of people who would otherwise be all for this, they just think America can't do anything good anymore.
They just think, oh, we've done all these things, these screwy things in the past, and they're all hung up on Iraq usually.
And I'm not even, I'm not defending the Iraq war or I'm not defending Afghanistan war or anything else.
But that was not Trump.
And Trump does do things right and differently.
And it's to me, so it's almost like a lack of imagination is what I think.
But listen, nobody knows a thing about Greenland, but the problem with the internet and the problem with everyone having opinions, you know how that goes?
Everyone has opinions and they all of a sudden, yeah, I don't think we should do something about Greenland.
When's the last time you woke up and thought about Greenland?
When's the last time you walked up, woke up and thought about Green Day?
And in this case, Donald Trump is proving himself to know what he's doing.
We went to Venezuela in clean house.
I mean, if any of those reports are true, our military is so sophisticated, nobody want to F with us.
And I don't know why we can't boast in that as a country and be proud of that.
That little wussy from Canada, it's just when he was on stage in Davos and he was talking like that, it almost made me want to get gangster with these people.
Like, don't disrespect the United States of America like that.
You should be on your knees begging Donald Trump for support because if we don't get Greenland, Russia or China will get Greenland.
And then you guys will be crying at the end of the day because nobody's going to protect you but the United States of America.
It makes it much messier because then what happens is once Russia and China are there and they're making a move on Canada, then we have to get involved and they're much closer to the borders.
Also, Carney, when he was like, yeah, Russia's a threat, but we've got the boats.
Okay, but let's jump to something else that happened at Davos, which is that Trump and then Kushner really released the full set of plans on this.
They have released the Board of Peace Gaza plans.
Guys, my basic take on this, look, you can see the different zones there and that it's going to take a couple of years and that they're bringing in all of these major people who have built these futuristic cities in the Middle East and we'll see what happens and New Rafa.
And it's on the Mediterranean, the same coast that Tel Aviv is on, which is one of the most beautiful beaches in the world.
And the Gazans could have done this 20 years ago.
All of that being said, I think this is, I think there's a chance.
I don't know how you eliminate the hatred in the hearts of the people that are there, but maybe with some decades of economic success, maybe they're suddenly like, you know what?
I'll stop trying to kill the Jews over there because I have something valuable over here.
They could have had it 20 years ago, but there's no point in crying over spilled milk.
I mean, nobody knows what's going to happen here because if you go out and ask people in Gaza or in the West Bank who would they would vote for today, they would still vote for Hamas.
What are we doing?
That's the equivalent to my American friends out there that we have an election after the Civil War and they still in the South vote for the KKK.
It's like, what are we doing?
Why are we doubling down?
Why are we asking for any of their permission for the people of Gaza?
You lost the war.
So for me, this all comes down to Trump.
Trump's going to maneuver how he's going to maneuver.
You ever watch the movie Ali with Will Smith?
And he walks in.
He walks and goes, the champ is here.
The champ is here.
That's Trump, bro.
The boss is here.
Trump's going to dictate whatever he wants to do and he'll throw out something wild and bombastic and something you never thought could be done.
And then he waits and see what people say in the room.
And people are like, and then he just kind of filters it down from there.
I trust Jaron Kushner.
I trust Steve Witkoff.
I trust American leadership in that side of the world.
By the way, MBS, I trust what he's basically sort of coming around a little bit.
I trust P.B. Netanyahu, who's been elected democratically more than any other leader in the world today, possibly ever.
And we don't know what's going to happen here.
So Trump is the most important leader of the world, quote unquote, from Larry Fink of BlackRock.
Brandon, what do you think about the idea that maybe, okay, if you can't solve ancient hatreds overnight, that at least through economics, where then suddenly if they see, boy, we've got hotels here, we've got better restaurants, we have tourism, that suddenly they will go, oh, we better stop lobbing rockets and trying to break the border down because we have a lot more to lose.
At least there's sort of like a clean line of thinking there.
I mean, this is a religious battle that's been going on for thousands of years.
And it's also have a spiritual component to it.
I think that the people that come against Israel, God has a position on that.
And I think these people are giving over to a reprobate mind.
They cannot see the truth.
They cannot see peace.
They're going to always be like this.
Now, what's going to happen is that we're going to have to do it through blunt force and restrictions.
And that's the only path forward.
And I'll say this: when I look at what Donald Trump is proposing, it's kind of like distasteful a little bit to the general public, right?
But for me, I'm like, what's the alternative?
Why wouldn't we take advantage of that situation and build a utopia for people who really want access to wealth and an economy and that beautiful Mediterranean Sea?
When I went to Israel, I could, like, you got to think, I never traveled out of Fort Worth, Texas and stopped six before.
So when I finally went to Israel, I thought Israel was a third world country.
That's how not involved I am with any place outside of the United States of America.
When I went to Israel, I said, this is one of the most beautiful places I've been.
The Mediterranean Sea is absolutely stunning.
And that's me flying in.
And we stayed in Netanya, which is north of Tel Aviv.
And so I didn't go to Tel Aviv.
I just went to the religious sites.
I went to the Sea of Galilee and I'm like, this place is absolutely beautiful.
And then you think about what they've done in Gaza.
They had access to all of this.
They could have, instead of that ideological foolery of electing Hamas and letting them just spend all the money and resources to commit a terrorist attack against Israel, they should have been partnering with Israel.
They should have been partnering with the United States of America.
They would have had a utopia with an economy that's better than many places in the United States of America.
But instead, they chose hate and they will forever choose hate.
What we're going to have to do is partner with Israel and take over that land and make it into something better.
And we're going to have to guard against them lobbying missiles because they're going to forever do it.
These people are lost.
And if you think that the children that are growing up after the Gaza war are going to somehow love Israelis, they're going to somehow love Jews.
You got to be out of your mind.
I mean, to them, they're seeing their loved ones under buildings.
They're seeing their loved ones getting killed in a genocide.
They're going to forever learn it and they're going to forever see it that way.
They're not getting media coverage from Donald Trump or from Netanyahu, getting a balanced perspective.
They're being deeper and deeper indoctrinated, looking at buildings that are completely collapsed and rubble all over the ground.
And they're going to be told for generations that the big bad Jews in the United States of America is the one that hate us and they want to kill us.
And so it's really no change in them.
But I really hope that Donald Trump does what he says and let's see how it go.
And when I was 20, I went back for a wedding in 2014 and I went back for another wedding in 2023.
Ironically, the day after I interviewed Andrew Tate, flew back to Miami, grabbed my mom, took her back to Israel as my date for it was the first time in Israel in 30 years.
She couldn't believe what Israel was built up to 30 years later.
And, you know, there's a famous saying in Israel: there will be peace when the Palestinians love their children more than they hate Israel.
And I haven't seen anything happen that Gaza could be Dubai, could be Singapore, but instead they're singing poor because they're more focused on GDT, gross domestic terrorism than GDP.
So would we all love to see peace in the Middle East?
There was this kid in school that was an annoying kid, and he talked so much trash, kind of around the time when I got my bike stolen, 13 years old.
And you know, I had to punch him in the face, but he kept talking trash.
So I punched him in the face again.
And when I would go after him, he'd run around and he'd like hide, like almost like tunnels.
And then when I wasn't looking, he would like pour milk on my book bag.
He was a complete pest.
And he was a complete loser.
So my only response was to keep kicking his ass to the point where he finally had to just leave school because he was so embarrassed.
And he was such a loser.
And do I think about this kid at all?
Zero.
Does he probably still think of me and Adam having success?
He's like, I used to fight him and get my ass kicked by him in middle school.
That's the reality here.
Israel is focused on their GDP and wealth and growing and security and saving the world from this, the real problem, you know, radical Islam, where you have these pests who have been getting their ass kicked for years and still talking shit.
So for me, kick some ass, take some names, F-A-F-O.