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|---|---|---|
| I mean, we just left, for example, a classified briefing with Senator or now Secretary Rubio and Secretary Ed Seth and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs about what's going on with the narco-terrorists off the coast of Venezuela. | ||
| Trump's doing something. | ||
| I mean, it's working. | ||
| It's been highly effective. | ||
| It's legal, as was explained to us. | ||
| The intelligence is exquisitely good. | ||
| It's always been good. | ||
| But we're acting on it. | ||
| And for years, we've talked about a war on drugs. | ||
| This is literally a war on drugs. | ||
| These people that we are killing, we're killing them before they can kill our kids. | ||
| And it is working. | ||
| Many of the countries in South and Central America are becoming more cooperative. | ||
| Mexico is becoming more cooperative. | ||
| They're not where we want them, but, I mean, it's working. | ||
| All right, Senator John Kennedy. | ||
| You know, we had you on a couple weeks ago. | ||
| I'm pretty sure my audience likes you more than they like me. | ||
| So I don't know how I feel about this. | ||
| I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't believe that. | ||
| But thank you for saying it. | ||
| I am glad to finally meet you in person and chat a little bit before you get out of town. | ||
| Are you going to get out of here on time? | ||
| Are they going to leave too many things untied so they keep you? | ||
| Well, you know, this is our last week, of course, and I think we've got to do the National Defense Authorization Act. | ||
| There could be a few surprises there. | ||
| We've got some more confirmations. | ||
| The big issue is the budget. | ||
| And I don't know whether Thune's going to bring it to a vote on the floor or not. | ||
| We've got one Republican holdout. | ||
| You know, what he's asking for is frankly something that we can't do. | ||
| Who's the holdout right now? | ||
| I don't want to say we have a sort of courtesy. | ||
| Holes are supposed to be confidential. | ||
| I was suddenly trying to break some news there. | ||
| Let me just observe. | ||
| Some people would rather be hated than ignored. | ||
| And this person is kind of like that. | ||
| He wants the attention of that. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| So you've been through this rodeo before. | ||
| So what's it like in this week where you know you're coming up on a deadline? | ||
| Everyone wants to get out. | ||
| You've got to finish work. | ||
| I mean, is half of it just people that just are like, all right, just sign something so we can get the hell out of here. | ||
| No, actually, deadlines, deadlines help. | ||
| I mean, you know what Congress is like. | ||
| Well, let me speak about the Senate because I've never served in the House. | ||
| Sometimes in the Senate, it can take days, weeks, months to get nothing done. | ||
| I mean, it's just, but when we have a deadline and we know we have to do something, what's the old expression? | ||
| The sight of the gallows concentrates the mind. | ||
| You know, people get focused and go, okay, I got to make a decision here. | ||
| I got to stop dithering and pontificating and make a decision. | ||
| And that's, so that's good or bad. | ||
| Should we wait this long? | ||
| No. | ||
| If I were king for a day, I'm not, and I don't aspire to be. | ||
| I would do it differently, but that's just the way it works. | ||
| What do you make of the general state of politics right now? | ||
| Just the sort of, you know, Trump, we got midterms coming in. | ||
| From where I sit, I keep saying to everybody that's sitting in that chair today, I think Trump's just doing an absolute bang up job right now. | ||
| It seems like maybe there's an optics problem or something. | ||
| But what do you make of the general state of where things are at? | ||
| Well, good question, Dave. | ||
| I don't think it's a news flash that our country is divided. | ||
| But within the left and the right, I think you have a large group of people that predictably and accurately say, okay, we don't care what your politics are, just do something. | ||
| Because both sides and leadership on both sides has this propensity to talk and do nothing. | ||
| President Trump, whether you agree with him or not, he's done a lot. | ||
| I mean, we just left, for example, a classified briefing with Senator or now Secretary Rubio and Secretary Ed Seth and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs about what's going on with the narco-terrorists off the coast of Venezuela. | ||
| Trump's doing something. | ||
| I mean, it's working. | ||
| It's been highly effective. | ||
| It's legal, as was explained to us. | ||
| The intelligence is exquisitely good. | ||
| It's always been good. | ||
| But we're acting on it. | ||
| And for years, we've talked about a war on drugs. | ||
| This is literally a war on drugs. | ||
| These people that we are killing, we're killing them before they can kill our kids. | ||
| And it is working. | ||
| Many of the countries in South and Central America are becoming more cooperative. | ||
| Mexico is becoming more cooperative. | ||
| They're not where we want them, but I mean, it's working. | ||
| So did you see this, what is at least, as I understand it, still classified video of the double tap? | ||
| I'm completely with you on this. | ||
| I think a war goes two ways. | ||
| We've been getting hit with the bad side of getting our kids killed with drugs and not doing anything. | ||
| So I'm completely on board this. | ||
| But, you know, there was all this kerfuffle about a second strike and a double tap and all that. | ||
| Have you seen all that now? | ||
| And do you feel confident around everything they did and all that kind of thing? | ||
| Well, there is a very carefully defined set of rules in our military, unlike in some other countries. | ||
| When you take prisoners of war, when you help survivors, when you don't. | ||
| And let me just say, based on what I've seen, our military did it by the book. | ||
| They did it by the book. | ||
| Now, we have some people in Congress, in the Senate, mostly Democrats, some Republicans, who want to nitpick this. | ||
| They want to nitpick it. | ||
| They want to poke holes in it. | ||
| But you can't, and that's their right. | ||
| I mean, some people are just wrong on every issue. | ||
| It's like it's a gift, you know, but they have the right to their opinion. | ||
| Well, usually because they just take the opposite of what Trump's doing. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But it's been very effective. | ||
| And I think most Americans say, okay, well, finally, somebody's doing something. | ||
| What do you think the Republicans have to do so that the midterms either don't go as poorly as most people are predicting or go well? | ||
| I think we've got to address the cost of living issue. | ||
| Listen, elections have won or lost on the things that people, when moms and dads lie down to sleep at night and can't, what are they worrying about? | ||
| Elections are won and lost on which side addresses those issues. | ||
| And there's no question, no question, the cost of living is one of those. | ||
| Now, the President and Congress and frankly, the Federal Reserve have done a pretty good job on inflation. | ||
| Inflation was 9%. | ||
| Inflation, it didn't originate in a bat. | ||
| It was man-made, and that man's name was Joe Biden. | ||
| We've gotten it down. | ||
| President Trump and the Republicans in Congress and the Federal Reserve have gotten it down to 3%. | ||
| But what does that mean? | ||
| That means that prices, they're still going up, not as quickly as they were, but they're still going up 3%. | ||
| And we've got to address that. | ||
| There's only so much the president can do. | ||
| Congress has got to do its job. | ||
| Here's what I have urged, urged is probably the wrong word. | ||
| I'm being polite. | ||
| Senator Thune to do. | ||
| I have hit Senator Thune with everything but a chair. | ||
| I've been chasing him like he stole Christmas. | ||
| I'm saying, look, Senator Thune, bring another reconciliation bill to deal with the cost of living. | ||
| We don't have to have any Democratic votes. | ||
| We would welcome them, but we can do it with all Republican votes, just like we did the one big, beautiful bill. | ||
| We've got legislation already to lower the cost of housing. | ||
| We've got over 200 tax changes we can make to stimulate the economy and increase wages. | ||
| We can address the health care issue, the fiasco of Obamacare. | ||
| We can talk about PBMs. | ||
| Now, we have to do that within the confines of the Budget Control Act. | ||
| I don't want to get us off in the weeds. | ||
| And some people say, well, Budget Controlled Act won't let us do that. | ||
| Maybe, maybe not. | ||
| It depends on the parliamentarians ruling. | ||
| But the last time we passed meaningful legislation was One Big Beautiful Bill. | ||
| And when it takes effect this year, it's going to help. | ||
| But the American people want us to see us do more. | ||
| And for the life of me, I just don't understand. | ||
| Senator Thune is my friend, but I do not understand why he would not bring a bill and let us put together a bill. | ||
| He controls the floor. | ||
| I can put together a bill, but I can't bring it to the floor without his permission. | ||
| If Chuck Schumer had the authority right now to pass virtually anything he wants to within the confines of the Budget Control Act, with only Democratic votes, what do you think he's going to do? | ||
| Of course, of course. | ||
| He'd be on it like a hobo on a ham sandwich. | ||
| And so why aren't we doing it? | ||
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| So isn't he? | ||
| As frustrating as you can tell. | ||
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| I mean, do you view that simply that Democrats, as a general rule, believe in more government, so they're willing to do whatever it takes via government to get their goals accomplished, where Republicans generally don't. | ||
| So it's just an ideological thing. | ||
| I think Senator Cluthune's being cautious. | ||
| He's doing the job. | ||
| I think he's being cautious. | ||
| But sometimes you got to throw deep. | ||
| You know, you just got to throw deep. | ||
| And we wouldn't be passing bills that would necessarily grow government. | ||
| For example, our health care bill, I want to reduce the parameters of Obamacare so people can buy insurance in the private sector. | ||
| I want to pass bills if we have to without Democratic support that reduces rules and regulations. | ||
| Our business people spend probably two to three trillion dollars, not billion, trillion dollars a year, complying with rules and regulations. | ||
| Those costs are passed on. | ||
| If you get rid of 25% of them, you'll see goods and services go down in price. | ||
| That's less government. | ||
| That's what I would do. | ||
| But again, I can't bring the bill to the floor without John's permission. | ||
| Do you think some of this is just a speed issue in that Biden screwed up so much over the course of whether it was Biden or whoever was in charge, they screwed up so much that there's a certain impatience. | ||
| Trump's only been back in office for 11 months. | ||
| So many good things have happened, but people just kind of want everything like that. | ||
| Well, it could be. | ||
| I mean, you may be onto something, Dave. | ||
| And I don't mean to blame everything on Senator Thune. | ||
| He's my friend. | ||
| We just disagree on this. | ||
| There's some other senators that are encouraging him to be cautious. | ||
| But there's a whole group of us that are saying no. | ||
| You know, we were elected to do something. | ||
| And right now, the American people want us to do something on cost of living, among other things. | ||
| I mean, we were very bold in our actions on immigration. | ||
| It worked. | ||
| It worked. | ||
| We've been very bold in our actions on crime. | ||
| It's worked. | ||
| Crime is down. | ||
| We've been very bold in terms of standing up to China and to Putin and to Iran. | ||
| The president was very bold when he told Iran, you can't have a nuclear weapon. | ||
| They said, watch us. | ||
| The president said, watch me. | ||
| You know, he knocked them into a new zip code. | ||
| He should have done that. | ||
| But we've got to be bold on the cost of living, in my opinion. | ||
| How much of your job is the nuts and bolts political stuff and maneuvering and all that versus the messaging part? | ||
| Because you're obviously an all-star on the messaging side. | ||
| But is it a 50-50 thing of being out there trying to convey this stuff versus all the internal fights? | ||
| Or how do you decide when you wake up every day how much of each you have to do? | ||
| Well, every senator has his own style. | ||
| All I can do is describe mine. | ||
| I spend an enormous amount of time reading and studying, early in the morning, late at night, when I have time during the day, going to hearings. | ||
| Part of it is messaging. | ||
| Whoever wins the messaging war generally wins elections. | ||
| But a lot of it is doing. | ||
| And the role of a senator, I spend my time doing two things. | ||
| Number one is trying to advance good ideas. | ||
| I've passed a number of bills this Congress. | ||
| I'm very proud of that. | ||
| So part of my job is to advance good ideas. | ||
| But I see part of my job is to kill bad ideas. | ||
| Kill bad ideas. | ||
| I think that's necessary here. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And that's important. | ||
| When right now, I spend about 50, 50% of my time on that. | ||
| During the Biden administration, I spent 80% of my time killing bad ideas and killing bad nominees. | ||
| And it worked. | ||
| And people think that when you're a senator, all you do is advance good ideas. | ||
| That's only part of the job. | ||
| How worried are you that if the Democrats get control of the House and if the midterms go poorly, that it really, maybe for the first time in modern way, fundamentally changes the direction of the country? | ||
| Like we got so close to the end in some way with Biden. | ||
| We seem to have gotten it back with Trump. | ||
| But if the midterms go the wrong way, he ends up as lame duck. | ||
| It's like they can bring all the damage back that much quicker. | ||
| It's serious. | ||
| I mean, I'm very worried about it. | ||
| It's serious as an aneurysm, man. | ||
| Because I know what's going to happen. | ||
| We're more likely, I'm not saying we will, but we're more likely to lose the House than the Senate. | ||
| But the Senate is going to be difficult. | ||
| We're going to have to work. | ||
| But it must say we'll lose the House. | ||
| We will get nothing done in the last two years. | ||
| And President Trump is going to be in one impeachment proceeding after the other. | ||
| I mean, his presidency and our ability to respond to the needs of the American people will both grind to a halt. | ||
| And I don't want that. | ||
| I asked you this a couple weeks ago, but I'm curious if anything's changed. | ||
| When you're talking to your Democrat colleagues, and you mentioned Schumer before, and it seems to me that he's kind of lost control of the asylum over there. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Are any of them privately saying to you, man, we wish that it hadn't gone this far left, that maybe we should be listening a little more to the Fettermans and a little bit less to the Ilhan Omars, let's say? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But they're scared. | ||
| I mean, there are wings of the Democratic Party just like they're wings of the Republican Party. | ||
| The Democratic Party has a loon wing. | ||
| The problem is the size of the wing. | ||
| And it's in the ascendancy. | ||
| And it's gotten, I don't know that I wouldn't say they're, well, I don't know whether they're the majority of the party or not, but they're certainly the loudest. | ||
| And they're in control. | ||
| And every Democrat is scared of them. | ||
| Do you sympathize with Chuck ever? | ||
| I mean, do you ever go, man? | ||
| He lost control of these guys? | ||
| I saw Chuck this morning. | ||
| I rode in an elevator with him down to what we call our skiff where we have our classified briefings. | ||
| And we were just talking. | ||
| We talked about the horrible killings in Australia. | ||
| So I get along well with Chuck. | ||
| But Chuck is a political, a deeply political animal. | ||
| He's been in Washington a long time. | ||
| He sees everything, almost everything, through a political lens. | ||
| And right now, he knows what you know, what I know. | ||
| Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez is going to do one or two things, one of three things. | ||
| She's either going to run for Speaker of the House if the Democrats take control, she's going to run against Chuck Schumer for the Senate, or she's going to run for president. | ||
| And you say, well, you know, she's nutty as a fruitcake. | ||
| She can't win. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, look what just happened in New York City. | ||
| Yeah, look what happened in New York City. | ||
| Look at Congresswoman Crockett. | ||
| You just never know. | ||
| And so everything, in my opinion, almost everything, I don't want to be unfair, that Senator Schumer is doing is to try to get the left, the loony left, the Bolshevik wing of his party, to love him. | ||
| And they will never love him. | ||
| They'll never love him. | ||
| He's just better off doing what he thinks is right. | ||
| When he worked with us not to shut down government back in March, he did the right thing. | ||
| He got to live in the hell by the people on his side. | ||
| And since then, it's just clear by his, you got to watch what politicians do, not what they say. | ||
| And I regret that, but I'm a pragmatist. | ||
| I deal with the world as it is. | ||
| And that's the world we live in in the United States Senate. | ||
| Do you like the fact that your state, Louisiana, kind of flies under the radar? | ||
| I mean, obviously, when I see you on network television, you're talking about national issues. | ||
| So Louisiana, I would say, is in a kind of bucket with a few other states that we don't talk about that much. | ||
| And my suspicion is that's probably pretty good. | ||
| Well, sometimes out of sight. | ||
| It probably means it's working. | ||
| Sometimes out of sight, out of mind. | ||
| I sit on the appropriations committee. | ||
| I never ask for a penny more than we need, but I never accept a penny less than we deserve. | ||
| I take care of my state. | ||
| What are the types of things that you have to fight for? | ||
| Let me just say, I love Louisiana. | ||
| I mean, I do. | ||
| We are Texas is five and a half. | ||
| Texas gets a lot of great publicity. | ||
| We're right next door to Texas. | ||
| Texas is five and a half times bigger than Louisiana. | ||
| We are 10 and a half times more interested than they are. | ||
| I mean, Louisiana is just a unique place, and I love it. | ||
| But sometimes out of sight is out of mind. | ||
| Petrochemicals, very important to us. | ||
| Offshore drilling is very important to us. | ||
| Tourism in New Orleans is important. | ||
| Timber production, agriculture, aquaculture, shipbuilding, health care is important to us. | ||
| And I try to work on all things to help those things to help my state. | ||
| We're doing much better in terms of education, which I worked on a lot when I was back in state government. | ||
| So I'm gratified by that. | ||
| But Louisiana is, you know, people say, what's Louisiana like? | ||
| And I just tell them, you got to come experience it. | ||
| It's like trying to explain the Holy Spirit. | ||
| You know, you got to experience it. | ||
| And they say, well, is the food good? | ||
| And I say, well, sure. | ||
| You know, we eat things that you would call an exterminator for to get out of your backyard, but we know how to cook them. | ||
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| Believe it or not, I have only driven through Louisiana, so I'm going to make a commitment. | ||
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| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So I'm going to come. | ||
| And do you cook? | ||
| Does the wife, who's doing the cooking? | ||
| I am the worst cook God ever put breath in. | ||
| You see how I just invited myself to your house? | ||
| Fortunately, Becky, my spouse, my wife, loves to cook. | ||
| She has the patience for it. | ||
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| And she loves to it. | ||
| Loves it. | ||
| But I'll tell you a quick story. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not Cajun, but a big portion of southwest Louisiana and my state is Cajun. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And two famous Cajun names for a woman is Marie and a man is Boudreau. | ||
| And I tell this joke all the time. | ||
| If Adam and Eve had been named Boudreau and Marie, they would have ignored the apple and eaten the snake. | ||
| And the world would be without original sin. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| A little seasoning on that snake. | ||
| I'll do it. | ||
| I'll tell you a great New Orleans story, even though I haven't been there. | ||
| My last dog, who's no longer with us, was a rescue from Hurricane Katrina. | ||
| Oh, God bless you. | ||
| Gave birth during the hurricane. | ||
| They found her in a box with three puppies that were nursing. | ||
| The puppies were healthy. | ||
| She was deathly ill. | ||
| The hurricane, do you remember, was it August of 2005? | ||
| I think that's right. | ||
| She wasn't able to be adopted until June of 2006 because she was so ill. | ||
| They moved the dogs across the country. | ||
| I get her. | ||
| She ends up living to 16 years old. | ||
| We had to put her down right before COVID. | ||
| But about a year before her death, she had bladder cancer and I put a tweet up about her telling her story from New Orleans and everything. | ||
| And a girl reaches out to me and she says, I have her son Bernard. | ||
| And Bernard was at, they got saved at St. Bernard's Parish in New Orleans. | ||
| And it turned out she lived only a few miles away from me. | ||
| So Emma, my dog, at 16 years old, right before dying, was reunited with her son Bernard, who was an old-timer too, 14 or 15 at that time. | ||
| And right before we had to put her down, they got to meet up again in Los Angeles. | ||
| You break it in my heart. | ||
| Think about that life. | ||
| That is awesome. | ||
| Isn't that something? | ||
| I spent a lot of my time dear in Conserita, Katrina, not only rescuing people, but rescuing animals. | ||
| And look, I've got two pups at home. | ||
| They're both rescues. | ||
| I wouldn't ask Becky to choose between me and our pups. | ||
| You just don't want to see which way that. | ||
| I mean, look, I think God is great. | ||
| Dogs are good, and people are crazy. | ||
| That's kind of my philosophy. | ||
| What do you think when you wrap up your career that you want people to look back and say about you more than anything? | ||
| I'm not saying that. | ||
| I want people to look back and say, you know, Kennedy left something behind besides styrofoam. | ||
| That, you know, he didn't win every fight, but he refused to be beaten. | ||
| And that he did everything he could to, every now and then, not every day, not every week, not every month, because it's hard, change is hard. | ||
| But he did everything he could every now and then to hit it a hard lick and he budged it and turned the ship a little bit. | ||
| That's what I want. | ||
| And I like what I do. | ||
| I'm not one of these politicians that tries to convince people it's a sacrifice. | ||
| I'm having the time of my life, man. | ||
| It's pretty obvious. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| It's not for everybody. | ||
| You have good days, bad days. | ||
| You never have a boring day. | ||
| And I'll do this probably until I die or my people tell me it's time for you to come home. | ||
| Are there days that you're like, I can't take much more of this? | ||
| Because I remember vividly a few years ago interviewing. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I saw him at an event, actually. | ||
| I saw that time Senator Marco Ruby at an event, and he seemed just like kind of defeated by the machine. | ||
| And now you look at him as Secretary of State, and it's like, man, this guy was born for this job. | ||
| So it does ebb and flow like that, but do you have those moments when you lose a fight and you're just like... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's... | ||
| I mean, you know, we're all human. | ||
| Look, I don't hate anybody. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| When I pray, I ask God, don't let me hate because it's hard in Washington. | ||
| This is a Democratic town. | ||
| Not just the politicians, but the bureaucrats, the think tanks, the universities, the press. | ||
| And I told this story in the book. | ||
| I said, you know, I live in this overpriced little Capitol Hill apartment. | ||
| And some days when I'm going to work, I give myself a pep talk and I say, Kennedy, don't hate. | ||
| You know, today you're going to follow Jesus. | ||
| And I do. | ||
| By 10 o'clock, I still want to follow Jesus, but I want to slap somebody. | ||
| That's human nature. | ||
| So, yeah, you have days when you get discouraged, but I'm old enough and experienced enough that, you know, falling down is not the worst thing that can happen to you. | ||
| The worst thing that can happen to you is not getting up. | ||
| That seems like the right way to end the interview. | ||
| It was a pleasure. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| Let me move this. | ||
| Dave, you're a rock star, man. | ||
| I love your show. | ||
| Right on. | ||
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