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Oct. 9, 2025 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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Donald Trump Reveals How He Pulled Off Impossible Israel-Hamas Peace Deal
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dave rubin
I don't know if the glue that they are putting your eyelashes on is seeping into your brain, but you are an idiot.
You just beheaded that guy?
You're supposed to give head, not behead.
Remember January 6th.
That was the day that I had just switched over.
I'd been doing eggs with olive oil.
And I switched back to real butter that morning.
And then I was watching TV and people were freaking out because a few people with a Lego set or something showed up at the Capitol.
unidentified
Uh anyway, let's talk about boner pills for a minute, and then we'll move on the other time.
Sydney Sweeney's bath water here.
dave rubin
That's pretty good.
unidentified
you All righty, I'm Dave Rubin.
dave rubin
This is the Rubin Report.
It is October 9th, 2025.
And yes, in just days from now, we are taking the team.
We are packing our bags.
We're going down under.
That's right, Australia.
As I mentioned the last couple days, uh, we have released a few extra meet and greet tickets because they sold out so quickly.
So if you want to get on those VIP tickets, Dave Rubin.com slash events, and we will see you in Australia soon enough.
Uh obviously, I would say today you know what the theme of the show is if you've been paying attention for the last uh 12 hours or so.
It looks like we have well, it's hard to say peace.
It looks like we have an agreement in the Middle East that at the very least can end the current two-year war and potentially lead to a peace in the future.
I am not Pollyanish on these things.
I am not uh I'm not a dreamer.
I would consider myself a sort of real world.
I'm an optimist, but a real world optimist, and it looks as if finally, after almost two years to the day of October 7th, uh, that Israel and Hamas have now signed this deal, that Donald Trump has done basically the unthinkable here, uh, and there is an incredible opportunity, maybe not for joyous end of phantom menace Star Wars, you know, holding up the thing, peace.
But at least, hey, we're not gonna kill each other for a little while.
Uh so let's just recap what's happened over the last 24 hours here.
First off, Secretary of State Marco Rubio went up to President Trump during a meeting and told him that they were about to sign the ceasefire.
unidentified
With all these different departments to find the criminal conspiracy.
donald j trump
Okay.
I'm just giving a note by the Secretary of State saying that we're very close to a deal in the Middle East, and they'll gonna need me uh pretty quickly.
So uh I will take a couple of more questions.
dave rubin
Okay, and let's just continue before I editorialize this from Donald Trump on truth.
I am very proud to announce that Israel and Havam and Hamas have both signed off on the first phase of our peace plan.
This means that all of the hostages will be released very soon, and Israel will withdraw their troops to an agreed-upon line as the first steps towards a strong, durable, and everlasting peace.
All parties will be treated fairly.
This is a great day for the Arab and Muslim world.
Israel, all surrounding nations, and the United States of America, and we thank mediators from Qatar, Egypt, and Turkey who worked with us to make this historic and unprecedented event happen.
Blessed are the peacemakers, Donald J. Trump, President of the United States.
So, okay, the agreement has been signed.
The hostages will be coming out.
And there is still, it's still a little bit unclear, I think, as to how many of them.
It sounds like 20 of them are probably alive and remains, I think, of 48.
I mean, it's going to be messy and sort of grotesque and everything else, some of the images that we are going to see.
But then Israel, at the same time, will move their troops back.
They're not going back to the original border with Gaza.
There is definitely going to be some sort of either demilitarized zone or buffer or something.
But things are actually in the works, and one hundred percent of the credit here goes to Donald Trump.
Whether you hate Trump, whether you love Trump, whether you don't care about the Middle East, whether you deeply care about the Middle East, this is the guy who is making the unthinkable, intractable thing come to an end.
Bit more from the Daily War and what may happen over the next couple days.
Trump will be traveling to Israel in the coming days, he told Axios reporter Barack Rabid.
The president says he may give a speech in the Knesset as well.
Negotiators for Israel and terror group Hamas have huddled in Sharm al-Shik, Egypt for days with mediators to hammer out an agreement on the first phase of the U.S. backed framework for peace in Gaza and a pathway to Palestinian state.
The first phase of the deal will be presented to the Israeli cabinet uh on Thursday for approval.
As part of the first phase, Hamas plans to release the 20 living hostages this weekend, according to the Associated Press.
Hamas is responsible for the bodies of 28 dead hostages, though it is unclear whether the terror group can locate and retrieve them.
Once the Israeli cabinet approves the agreement, the terror group has 72 hours to return the hostages.
A senior White House official told CBS News that the Israeli cabinet would vote on the deal tomorrow.
Once they vote yes, Israel has to withdraw to the line, which should take under 24 hours.
So the next move here is on Hamas.
Release the hostages that are living, release the hostage, the remains of the hostages who are dead, and then Israel will move back.
Again, not to the original border with Gaza, but some sort of agreed new, at least temporary buffer zone or something like that.
Let me show you two videos here that really dive into all of the specific points, and then we can kind of whittle away at each one.
This is Brian Kilmead on Fox, uh going through each.
There's about 20 points.
We'll do a few less of them, but here's the main stuff.
brian kilmeade
Let's go over it so you have an understanding of what they perhaps we framed out over in uh Cairo, Egypt.
Uh war will end immediately.
So the fighting that's still continuing, we saw smoke coming out of Gaza will cease.
I don't think that'll be much of a problem.
All hostages alive at deceased to be returned within 24 uh 72 hours.
We don't know when the clock actually starts ticking, but let's say Monday, at which time you'll have 20 plus alive and over 50 bodies collected right now.
Uh right now, that's taking place, we understand, between all the different factions.
There are groups that are holding hostages that are not members of Hamas but have the same militant mindset.
Israel released 250 people with life sentences.
That means more than likely they have killed before.
Think about how difficult that is.
1700 uh Gazans, some people have been captured during this fighting.
Keep in mind, uh Yahya Sinwar was one of the people that was exchanged for one hostage last time.
He ends up being the architect of the October 7th attack.
Thankfully, him and his brother are dead.
Hamas members could be given amnesty if they decommission their weapons and agree to give up their rockets.
That was the sticking point yesterday.
We believe it somehow they overcame it.
dave rubin
Okay, so you can see there's a there's a lot of layers here, and that's why I said up top.
It's like we we none of us should be like over the top.
Oh my god, this is true peace, this is all gonna be perfect, blah, blah, blah.
But you should be sort of, you should be sober in your positivity.
I think that's what it is.
It's like this really is it.
Like if Hamas keeps up its end of the bargain, Israel is going to withdraw, the hostages will come back.
Like, sorry to all of the Arab countries and and Muslim countries that wanted to destroy Israel, you didn't get what you wanted.
Gaza was destroyed.
This all could have ended two years ago.
But now at least there's the opportunity for new people to come in and think about everything differently.
Maybe that's really what it is more than anything else.
Donald Trump, by thinking about the Middle East differently, is able to change things.
Remember, when he did the Abraham Abraham Accords years ago, everyone was like, you gotta deal with the Palestinians first.
And he was like, let Israel sign deals with these other countries first, and then there was commerce and there was peace with these countries.
So the guy who did, again, the thing that was unthinkable, he moved the embassy to Jerusalem, all these things.
It's like he deserves a lot of the credit here.
Just real quick to recap what he said.
So the war, in essence, the hardcore fighting is coming to an end.
That's good.
Hostage return, that's obviously good.
Now Israel has to give up 250 prisoners with life sentences.
These are people who have murdered Jews.
They're giving up 250 of them to get their 20 living people back.
So that tells you a bit about who values life more.
Also 1700 Gazans who've been arrested as part of during the last two years.
Uh Hamas amnesty, this is going to be a weird one because what does that actually mean?
Do they get to continue to live in Gaza?
Do they get exiled elsewhere, probably to Qatar or Turkey?
You know, what happened?
Okay, you get some sort of amnesty, but then what if you start killing people again or planning or digging tunnels?
So that one sort of, I think you can punt a little bit.
And also that Hamas will have no role in the future governance.
That seems legit, but the question, and this is always the question with these guys is who is going to run Gaza?
Who's going to run it?
Is there, you know, there's a couple clans there?
Who's going to run it?
Is Tony Blair coming in to run it?
Because they'll really love him.
And can you really make sure that nobody from Hamas is part of it?
That that seems kind of tricky.
Because also Hamas, it's a little bit like Antifa.
Like you don't get the laminated card and everything else.
So we'll see about that.
Anyway, here's Kilmeade with a bit more.
brian kilmeade
Hamas will not have any role in the governance of Gaza, we should hope.
Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza.
That's not going to be an issue.
The issue was really more the West Bank area where the Palestinian authority mostly has the authority, but I don't think they're looking to take any Gaza.
And I don't think that was much of a something to be sh to hurled.
Gaza will be governed by a temporary transition government.
This is going to be key.
And that government's going to be chaired by a peace council by President Trump.
And then there's going to be people like Tony Blair, who's given basically his post-prime minister career to trying to find some way forward on a two-state solution or whatever's possible in the area.
The question is if you see Westerners in that region, we know they were targets when the Iraqi transition was taking place.
Will they be targets again?
And the possible path to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, it's all going to be performance-based.
dave rubin
All right.
So first on the Israel will not occupy or annex.
Remember, on October 6th, 2023, there was not Jew, not one Jew, not one Israeli in Gaza.
They wanted nothing to do with the place.
They left in 2005.
They called it a disengagement because they realized there's no one to negotiate peace with.
How about you guys just leave us alone?
And then for 20 years, unfortunately, Hamas dug tunnels, built a war machine, planned October 7th, all of those things.
So the fact that Israel is not going to annex or occupy it, well, that just takes you back to October 6th.
I think the thing that has fundamentally changed is that they will realize in Gaza, whoever's in charge, you can't be doing the tunnels anymore.
You can't be breaking through the fence anymore.
You have your territory, stay there, stay out of Israeli territory, stop shooting rockets, and then you will have peace.
So I think that that's basically just fine.
The Gaza transitional government, as I said, like you got to figure out what does that really mean.
There's a couple clans there and there's kind of warring factions, which gets you to the board of peace that Trump is gonna head and Tony Blair.
Like all of that, you have to see if it works, right?
And I think the main thing on the ground in Gaza is those people have to, and the problem, the problem here is that they have too many Western supporters who will not support them in doing this, but they have to just come to the realization that Israel exists, it's not going anywhere.
You 100% can make the argument Israel's actually stronger than ever because it's external enemies like Hezbollah and Iran and even the Houthis have been largely destroyed.
Hamas is basically destroyed, like Israel is still there, banged up, slightly annoyed, uh happy to get their hostages back.
But if the people on the ground are just like, oh, we have America behind us now, we're gonna have all of this money poured in, we're on the same beach as I always say the same beach, just miles south of the Tel Aviv beach, which is one of the most beautiful beaches on the face of the earth, like and you will have all of the focus of the world.
If you want to build a truly civil, decent, non-radical Islamist society, you will have every opportunity.
There is every reason to think if you guys actually make that decision, and again, I it's hard to imagine that they will.
But if you guys actually make that decision, you could have one of the most prosperous places in all of the world.
And I actually literally mean that because there will be so much money, so much focus, so many people that will want to travel there and be part of this new thing, so many business opportunities and all those things.
So that will be their chance.
Uh, here's an image of the hostages.
Now it's again 20 supposedly are living, and they definitely do not look like they are in the condition that they were in those pictures, and probably 48 that uh that there are they're gonna get remains back.
I mean, it's it's pretty, it's pretty crazy.
Uh but again, all of the all of the credit, all of the credit, it cannot be overstated, belongs to Donald Trump.
Donald Trump, a master negotiator.
Donald Trump who believes in peace through strength.
Donald Trump, who, unlike Joe Biden, although not that Joe Biden was in charge, but Joe Biden was hampering Israel along the way.
Donald Trump said peace through strength.
You exert maximum leverage.
You're dealing with crazy jihadists.
They kind of only respond to one thing.
And over the last couple of months, how many times did Donald Trump basically say, Hamas, enough snuff, all of the hostages now?
And then finally we got there.
But it was also because of what Donald Trump did, what was that, about six, seven months ago when he went to Saudi Arabia, and he said to all of these countries, we're not going to tell you how to live.
But if you want to be part of America, meaning if you want to be a partner with us where we can share in success and you'll get security guarantees and all sorts of stuff, then get on board.
And that, I think, by America leading has created the conditions that the Arab countries are now getting on board Trump's vision for the world.
Take a look.
sean hannity
A lot of the Arab nations that have formed coalitions with you were reluctant and resistant for decades to ever be a part of the solution.
That was a big part of what happened here today.
Explain, can you explain that part of it?
donald j trump
Well, I develop relationships with people, and sometimes those relationships lead to great things.
And in the case of many of the Arab nations, the wealthiest nations in the world, if you look.
dave rubin
Although with what we've done in the United States, I think we tough everybody by a Andrump went to Saudi Arabia and there were so many people like he shouldn't be talking to these guys, or even Qatar, who's funded a lot of this and they fund Al Jazeera and all of these things.
I was kind of like, yeah, you've got to reach out to these guys because you can start creating conditions with where they're like, you know what?
We don't want to be in perpetual war.
This does even Qatar, right?
Like, what was it, two, three weeks ago, Israel tried to take out the Hamas leadership in Qatar.
It partially worked, partly didn't.
But then suddenly the Qataris were like, boy, the Israelis could bomb us too because we're housing these guys.
Maybe we shouldn't be doing this.
So everyone just has to realize all you've got to do, it ain't rocket science.
I know it's it's probably tougher because there's religious connotations around it.
But all you've got to do is just say, hey, the Jews have the little sliver.
It's okay.
We don't have to love them, but let's not try to constantly exterminate them.
Uh here's Ari Fleischer, who of course worked in the George W. Bush administration, uh, which did a lot of strange things, let's say, in the Middle East.
And here he is explaining how this is way bigger than just Israel and Gaza, but it gets to all of these Arab Muslim nations, and it's again thankful, it's thanks to American leadership.
ari fleischer
Well, what's truly remarkable about this is previous breakthroughs existed between Israel and unique nations, Israel and Egypt, Israel and Jordan.
Then you have the Abraham Accords expanding it to a wider group of nations, Bahrain, the UAE.
But never before have you had an agreement with Hamas, eight Arab, eight Muslim nations, seven Arab, one nation Turkey, Muslim nation, Israel, and the United States.
That is the breakthrough here.
From a humane point of view, it is wonderful and joyous that the hostages will come home.
Families can finally at long last be reunited.
But there are two big steps that remain.
And those steps are the disarmament of Hamas and Hamas relinquishing control and power.
Those two are going to be the trickiest ones yet.
dave rubin
I like Ari Fletcher.
I've always liked him.
And that sort of sobering answer, right?
He's not like, oh my God, this is the greatest thing ever.
It's automatically going to work, everything's wonderful, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Like I get the inclination why people want to want to fully feel that right now.
And again, I think this is unbelievably positive.
But what he's saying there, it's sobering.
Like there, and there's also like, think about the levels of emotions that are going to be happening on the ground there over the next little bit, you know, people that are going to get their family members back, husbands, children, all of these things that, you know, fathers that are going to come home looking like Holocaust survivors, the people who are going to have to identify rotting carcasses.
Like it's it's actually unimaginable, like in some sense, Holocaust level stuff.
And of course, yes, there is also devastation because of what Hamas did.
There's devastation in Gaza that they're going to have to deal with, and there's going to be a massive cleanup job and everything else.
And then the real work of the Trump Peace Board gets going.
Because can the people there, will they be willing to have Donald Trump as the head of a peace commission with Tony Blair and everybody else, and abide by uh a new way of looking at the world?
I don't know, that remains to be seen.
But the point is everyone should be positive right now.
You've got to be positive.
Like I know it's so much easier to be negative all the time, but you've got to be positive right now.
Unlike Jake Tap.
jake tapper
Obviously, blessed are the peacemakers indeed, but it is worth pointing out.
This is a ceasefire deal, right?
This is not a larger peace deal about a Palestinian state of any sort and who gets to rule a Palestinian state and Israel gets security guarantees, how and all that.
That is still TBD, right?
kaitlan collins
I mean, uh yes, yes, but because the yes but part of that is that yes, this is the first phase of this deal where the two key parts of that was a ceasefire and the release of the hostages, and also the release of Palestinian prisoners that are being held in Israel.
dave rubin
Jake, how about a little imagination?
How about a little positivity right now?
First off, the deal does address some of those things, including statehood, which sounds completely insane to me, but put but putting that aside, like how about a little imagination?
How about yes, but oh, I'm sorry, it didn't all we're not getting everything on day one.
You mean we're not getting the hostages, hostages back and the the like ultimate prize that most people seem to want.
We're not getting every single thing at once.
We're getting things are done incrementally, right?
That's how it works.
So I put up a tweet that went pretty viral this morning that I think explains where everyone should be at quite well.
If I pat myself on the back for just a moment, if you can bear with me.
Uh today in the c and in the coming days, we'll offer a rare glimpse into who people really are.
Everyone, and I mean literally everyone, should be happy and hopeful right now.
If you're pro-Israel, the hostages are coming home and you can get your troops out of Gaza.
Your external enemies, Hezbollah, Iran, et cetera, found out the hard way that Israel's here to stay.
If you're pro-Palestinian, the genocide, use of quotes, is over and you can begin rebuilding.
You should be passing out candy on the streets in celebration.
If you're for a strong America that leads the world, look what American leadership can still accomplish.
If you're libertarian or anti-war, another war is coming to a close.
Some people are a combination of these things and thus will have many reasons to be happy.
Some people just don't care at all about any of this, and they can just continue with blissful ignorance.
While we obviously have all have to wait and see if the next few days work out as planned, there is reason for hope, and we should all be aiming towards that.
Everyone should take note about the reactions from politicians, influencers, your friends and family today.
This is a unique moment to see fully what has been driving people and what they really want.
While I have little to no hope for the progressive jihadist wing to be reeled in, I do have some hope for those on the right who have gone off the deep end and can come back.
Donald Trump is on the verge of doing the unthinkable, and we should be all amazed and thankful for that.
If you can't see that, or you don't want to give it a chance, you aren't America first or even just pro-America.
So let's see how many people are truly awake today, and if they can get a little closer to peace in the Middle East, maybe we can heal some old wounds right here at home, too.
Blessed are the peacemakers.
And again, dare I say, like that gets it basically that that's got a little something for everybody.
If you are 100% pro-Israel, you're getting your citizens back.
You're gonna they've lost 900 young soldiers, right?
These are basically all 25-year-old men in these two years.
You're not gonna have to do that anymore.
And and then you can work on healing, right?
If you're pro-Palestinian and you were screaming about a genocide, even though it wasn't a genocide, you should be thrilled today.
It is ending, it is ending, right?
You could have ended it a lot earlier, but it is ending.
If you're anti-war, we're gonna have less war.
If you're if you're pro-America in that you want America to be lead a strong world, like then it's a win.
So the strange part is that a certain set of people are not going to be for this.
Now, one of them, who's actually sane uh is John Fetterman.
This is from Ian Yeager on X, breaking Senator John Fetterman becomes the first Democrat to congratulate President Trump on the first stage of his peace plan with Hamas and Israel.
I congratulate President Trump on this historic peace Plan that releases all hostages, now enduring peace in the region is possible.
So that is great.
And as I have said many times, it's kind of funny that a guy with brain damage has turned out to be the most sane Democrat, but we checked right before the show.
There are no tweets right now about this from Rashida Talib.
Now, Rashida Talib, who is Palestinian, who's running her little Palestine in Dearborn, Michigan.
The genocide, her purported genocide is coming to a close.
Shouldn't she be in all caps saying, hallelujah, this has gone on too long, thank God.
Shouldn't she be thanking Donald Trump, saying, my God, this is incredible that this is finally ending, but nothing from Rashida Talib, nothing from AOC.
Joseph, just check this before we start the show.
Nothing from Chuck Schumer, nothing from Corey Booker, nothing from Hakeem Jeffries, nothing from Rokana, nothing from Bernie Sanders.
And then on the right, and this is where I think things can be healed now.
If people are willing to just dial back some of the craziest craziness, but at the moment it doesn't look like it.
Nothing from Tucker Carlson, nothing from Candace Owens, and then on the left, nothing from Jenk Huger.
So this is the strange position we are in.
People, there's a real moment here.
There's a moment of clarity if you're willing to see it.
Because it doesn't matter what side you're on on this, right?
What do I always say?
Like you can't put ideology over truth.
Well, the truth is the war is ending.
Both sides are going to get back something they wanted.
Nobody's getting sort of everything they wanted, let's say.
But if if you can't be happy about this, then there's something fundamentally wrong with you, and it should be exposed.
Now, ironically, I did not mention Ilhan Omar's name there because she did tweet out something, although it was classic Ilhan Omar.
For the sake of humanity, let's hope this will be a lasting and permanent ceasefire.
While this is a hopeful step, we must demand accountability for every war crime committed during this genocide and continue to call for an end to the occupation.
All right, you jihadist bitch, there was no genocide, and there is no occupation because on October 6th, 2023, there were no Jews there.
Also, if you're talking about an occupation, as you probably know but never would tweet out, um Egypt controlled Gaza before 1967, blah, blah, blah.
So what do so what do we have to do right now?
If if enough of us are going to wake up and if good people are going to be seeing things on both sides, and if we can just try to slog through what has again been an unbelievably intractable problem that has been fueled also by bots and caused such chaos domestically and all of these things, what we have to stop doing is excusing the endless violence.
So one thing that the Gazans are going to have to stop doing is you just got to get over it.
You're not going to be allowed to kill all the Jews.
So this video came out.
Uh, this is right after the peace deal was announced.
This is in Gaza.
and well they're still chanting kill all the jews Yahoo, Jew, kill all the Jews.
Now, look, if you look at all those guys and you can rewind it later or whatever, like they're all young, they're all healthy, nobody looks starving, they all look like they had braces, like everybody looks pretty good, like this whole the whole claim of genocide was crazy.
But this is why, this is why I think you have to be sort of a world-weary optimist when it comes to this.
Can you make peace with those?
Is it will it be really peace with those guys who are still screaming, kill all the Jews two years post-October 7th, post the destruction of Gaza and all of those things?
Like, can you really make peace with them?
Probably not.
Could some power structure come to exist that can kind of control it a little bit, maybe over time teach them something about coexistence?
Maybe, maybe.
So we have to, that's where the positivity comes in.
Like that's where the human spirit and showing people what freedom is all about, uh, possibly could do some healing, possibly.
But we shouldn't, but we have to acknowledge that that really still exists.
There's not going to be any protests in Israel today where they're going kill all the Gazans, kill all the Gazans.
There just won't be.
Um, but the other thing from a Western perspective is now is the time.
The war is wrapping up, hostages will be out.
The purported genocide will be over.
Now is the time for us here in the West to say No more.
No more to these crazy psychotic jihad rallies that we are having, where they are calling for genocide, where they are taking over streets, where they vandalize things, they burn things, they attack police officers and everything else.
And where they actually tell you that they are part of Hamas, which is literally what happened two days ago in New York City on the actual second anniversary of October 7th.
unidentified
We did not act enough.
We did not act enough.
We're being after me.
We did not act enough.
If we acted enough, the headline behind me would read us has been liberated.
So our work is not done!
We must show up!
Wronger than we did the 1st October 7th!
Louder than we did the first October 7th.
dave rubin
So louder than we did on the first October 7th.
That's a guy saying he is part of Hamas.
By the way, it turns out he was uh he was found out because the internet figures out who people are pretty quickly.
Shocking he didn't wear the terrorist mask.
Um he's a student at Harvard.
Surprise, surprise.
Can you like can you believe it?
Of course.
And from and I've heard from some insiders that the FBI is looking into him right now.
Um, but just enough of that.
No more tolerating this bullshit.
What he was doing there was calling for genocide.
What he was doing there was and with the drones, the clones that are just repeating what he says.
I mean, it's all so brain-numbing and everything else, but everyone should step back right now.
Like I'll give I'll try to give you a little advice, Rashida Talib AOC Bernie, you pathetic sellout who would have been killed if you had stepped into Gaza, but you have spent a career trying to sell out Israel.
It's like all of you, just take a moment right now.
Is it so hard to just send out a tweet?
I think like you don't have to say anything nice about Israel.
I think it's nice that this war is coming to a close.
Hopefully things can be rebuilt, but you can't do that.
And what that shows you actually is that most of these people didn't want peace.
And they never really cared about the Gazans.
What they wanted was the destruction of Israel, and they're just not gonna get it.
So for everyone else, and I think it is way it is probably 80% of Americans, if not even more.
Those of us who want coexistence, who understand things are can be a little tricky and da-da-da-da-do, it's like we just have to expose these people right now.
But if in a week from now there's more of these rallies out there, everyone, everyone must be speaking out against it.
Of course, the problem, and this now will get us to our next segment.
The problem is that there are no good leaders on the left anymore.
Like, congratulations to John Fetterman for congratulating Donald Trump and and good luck in your own party.
But the but the Democrat Party has been so rotted out from the inside that they're basically crazy people.
So this will get us to uh the next story I wanted to cover, which is that there is a former California Congresswoman by the name of Katie Porter, and she is running for governor in California.
That's right, Gavin Newsom will not be perpetual governor of California forever.
Um and she's a far-left progressive and all the usual stuff.
And there were two things that happened to her over the last couple days that went mega viral, and it just shows you the sort of emotional maturity of these people and their sort of uh what do I always say with the progressives?
It's the fake niceness, the fake tolerance, the thin veneer and under underneath is something very nasty.
So here's Katie Porter being asked by a CBS reporter a couple basic questions, and watch what happens.
julie watts
What do you say to the 40% of California voters who you'll need in order to win?
Um, who voted for Trump?
katie porter
How would I need them in order to win, man?
julie watts
Well, unless you think you're gonna get 60% of the vote.
You think you'll get 60% all everybody who did not vote for Trump will vote for you.
That's what you're saying.
katie porter
In a general election, yes.
If it is me versus a Republican, I think that I will win the people who did not vote for Trump.
julie watts
What if it's you versus another Democrat?
katie porter
I don't intend that to be the case.
julie watts
So how do you not intend that to be the case?
Do you do you are you gonna ask them not to run?
katie porter
No, no, I'm saying I'm gonna build the support.
I have the support already in terms of name recognition.
julie watts
We've also asked the other candidates, do you think you need any of those 40% of California voters to win?
And you're saying no, you don't.
katie porter
No, I'm saying I'm gonna try to win every vote I can.
And what I'm saying to you is that Well, to those voters.
Okay, so so you I don't want to keep doing this.
I'm gonna call it.
Thank you.
julie watts
You're not gonna do the interview with us.
katie porter
Nope, not like this, I'm not.
Not with seven follow-ups to every single question you ask.
julie watts
Every other candidate has answered.
katie porter
I don't care.
I don't care.
I I want to have a pleasant, positive conversation which you ask me about every issue on this list.
And if every question you're gonna make up a follow-up question, then we're never gonna get there.
And we're just gonna circle around.
I am in a never had to do this before, ever.
unidentified
You've never had to have a conversation with it.
julie watts
Okay, but every other candidate has done this.
katie porter
I what part of I'm me?
I'm running for governor because I'm a leader.
unidentified
So I am going to make so you're not gonna answer questions from the It's kind of funny.
dave rubin
Like they're gonna David Newsom's gonna step away and they could end up with someone like that.
But again, it just gets to what's going on with the left.
They are emotionally immature.
They don't know what they think.
The question was so simple.
The question was so simple.
It was basically, will you reach out to Trump people?
They live in your state.
There's a huge amount of Trump supporters there because Cali is so huge.
There are millions and millions of them.
Like, can you can you offer anything?
And and the dismissiveness, and then to say, I'm not gonna sit there, I'm ending this thing, I don't have to take follow-up questions.
I'm running to be the leader.
It's like this is what you guys have left.
But then this is the one that was really going viral of this lady.
She's on a call, a Zoom call, and then one of her staffers bear dared to go into the kitchen behind her.
Take a look.
katie porter
Half a million Californians dying prematurely to air pollution and other problems, and the state could lose four get out of my fing shot.
unidentified
I wanted to tell you that that's actually incorrect.
It's not that it's electric vehicles, it's that if we don't need the commitments under the Paris climate report.
katie porter
Okay.
It does okay.
unidentified
You also were in my shop before that.
katie porter
Stay out of my shot.
Okay.
I'm gonna start again with um electric vehicle saving us money.
dave rubin
Perfect.
Does that seem like the type of person that you would want being the chief executive of the biggest state in the country?
Like, what is first off the fact that the girl's wearing a mask there, and all she did was come in to explain to Katie Porter that she was getting something wrong.
Get the fuck out of my shot.
Like, yes, is it true that at the end of the day I hit one of my employees?
And it's a but it's on a complete rotation, and it's and it's completely uh, you know, I just spin a wheel.
So it's not like I'm not gonna hit the chances that I would hit one person four days in a row, although it did happen once, it's like pretty much not gonna happen.
Yes, you have to keep these people online, of course, but it's just you guys get it.
Here's one uh we got two more of her.
I mean, this woman is just how is this happening to California?
Uh here she is saying that her 12-year-old is worried that she can't get an abortion.
katie porter
So on election night, I was with I went to pick up my daughter from water polar practice, and she's 12, and she got in the car and she was crying.
And I said, Did someone punch you?
Like water polo is a rough sport.
I was like, did someone hit you?
Did the coach yell at you?
unidentified
What happened?
And she said, Mom, Trump won.
Trump's gonna win.
And what if I get raped and I need to have an abortion?
katie porter
This is from a 12-year-old, my 12-year-old daughter.
And so it was really a reminder of how scary this time is for people and how important it is for Democrats to have strategies, both at the state level and the federal level, to make sure that we can continue to protect people's rights.
rights.
The allegation of groomer and pedophile, it is alleging that a person is criminal Somehow, and engaged in criminal acts merely because of their identity.
Um, their sexual orientation, their gender identity.
So I think the fact that we're seeing this jump in expenses, um, that we're seeing people having to pay more in the grocery store, pay more at the pump, pay more for housing, is a reason that people are saying I need to be able to make my own decisions about when and if to start a family.
dave rubin
God, I love how starting a family involves killing a baby for these people.
Also, yes, your daughter got in the car and was crying that she got raped and she wouldn't be able to get an abortion.
Like, it's just nonsense.
And by the way, if you were concerned about your daughter being raped or or whatever, you might be wanna want to be a little harder on crime and illegal immigration in California.
She's she sort of looks like Mrs. Trunchbull from uh Matilda, doesn't she?
That woman freaked me out.
Somehow I saw that in the theater.
What year did that come out?
I think maybe I was a camp counselor or something.
And I and it was a rainy day, and we had to take the kids to the 96th.
So I was I was 19.
Yeah, I was a summer camp counselor, and it was a rainy day.
We took the kids to see him until it's pretty good.
It still stands to the test of time.
All right, here's one more of Katie Porter.
She was on Bill Maher a while back with Piers Morgan, and she went after Riley Gaines because Riley, you know Riley.
She she's a girl, and she was swimming and wanted to swim with girls, and then there was a guy with a wang who pretended he was a girl to use the penis as a propeller, beat her, and then she was a little annoyed about that, so she became outspoken when it came to guys with wangs beating girls and swimming.
katie porter
Nobody, including Riley Gaines, who I disagree with strongly, should be a good thing.
piers morgan
What do you disagree with out of interest?
katie porter
Um I I think that it should be up to sporting bodies to make the decisions about who would be able to do it.
piers morgan
And what if she said that she's wrong?
katie porter
I think that what she has done is try to turn this.
We talked about people, you know, becoming using things to kind of get likes and get clicks.
piers morgan
That's not what she's doing.
I mean I've got no chuck for brought against personally, but all I've seen her do is stand up for women's rights defenders and equality.
But she has to be.
She competed against Leah Thomas, and it was obviously unfair.
Leah Thomas won one of the races in the NCAA championships by 50 seconds against a bunch of biological females who simply couldn't keep up.
That cannot be right.
It cannot be fair.
katie porter
That is something that I trust, I think our sporting bodies should be dealing with.
And by the way, Riley is speaking up for herself, and that is her prerogative, and I respect her free speech.
piers morgan
I think she's speaking up for pretty much every female athlete in the world.
dave rubin
I why, Katie Porter, can you not just step up for women?
You have a 12-year-old daughter who's afraid she's going to be raped and not be able to get an abortion.
Do you want her to be beaten in swimming too after having lived through all of that?
Anyway, that story all feels a little bit small relative to the backdrop of the Middle East.
But the point, the really point connecting there, but connecting those two things is that there's going to be a certain set of people that, with everything happening in the Middle East, all the goodness out of the Middle East, are not going to stop.
And that is because they put ideology over truth.
And until we really reckon with that, a lot of the craziness is going to continue, whether it's I'm being genocided and I'm also calling for genocide, or I want boys to swim with girls, or the rest of the nonsense.
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Okay, so I want to do one other story before we get to the locals' community QA.
And it's it's an extension of what we just did there with Katie Porter, because this is someone who is a leader of the progressive movement who wants to be governor of California and you know would I don't know, I guess you could say would either keep it as bad as it is or make it worse or whatever, but clearly doesn't have the emotional temperament to be in public office or anything else.
And and it it shouldn't surprise us that this is what the political leadership of the Democrats is.
When like it's not surprising at all.
When I asked Joseph this morning, could you just quickly check and see if AOC and Ilhan and Rashida and all and Bernie and all them had tweeted, like I knew they hadn't.
But credit where credit is due, even though Ilhan's statement was insane.
She did tweet something, so I read it.
But we shouldn't be surprised that they don't know how to say, oh my God, something good is happening, right?
They've been screaming genocide and they don't know how to say, oh, the genocide is coming to an end, because then they'd have to credit Trump.
They'd have to sort of acknowledge that actually they never believed there was a genocide in the first, like there's all the stuff.
And and where much of the confusion comes from is where young people are getting their news from these Days.
One of the places is Twitch, which is crazy.
Twitch was designed basically to be a place where kids were coming to play video games together.
And now people have become hugely famous and made major bank on being political there and all sorts of other stuff.
So I've mentioned this guy, Hassan Piker a couple times on the show.
He is the nephew of Jank Ugar at the Young Turks.
And I used to work with him.
He is, he's really just a terrible person.
He's in a lot of hot water right now.
Yes, he calls for the death of, I think he called for the assassination of Rick Scott.
He called for blood in the streets of Republicans and all these things.
And he breaks the terms of service on Twitch all the time.
And he makes about 200 grand a month on there from from what people say.
But now he's in hot water because it's one thing to call for death of Republicans.
But he's also been shocking his dog.
He is using a shock collar on his dog on his live streams.
And it's, you know, sure you call for death of Republicans, but shocking a dog's a bit much.
hasan piker
Such a first world problem.
But it is emblematic of all of America's much more consequential violence.
Okay.
It's the same reason as to why America.
Kaya, please just fing go back.
unidentified
Stop.
hasan piker
Jesus Christ, what are you doing?
You're being such a baby.
It's just you're making her stressed.
I uh I she just literally is so incredibly spoiled from my mom.
dave rubin
All right, so you have a LARPing socialist.
He is pro-Jihad, he's 100% pro Hamas.
Um, I used to play basketball with him.
It's not surprising that he uh is shocking the dog there.
He used to have a different dog, it was a pit bull, and he would come when we were playing basketball, and he would tie the dog up on a tree with about two foot, you know, two foot of rope to it, and the dog would go bananas and destroy the ground at the school that we were at.
So everyone that's at Young Turks, you know I'm telling the truth because you know what school it was too.
And he would destroy the ground.
And in retrospect, I don't know why we didn't.
I think we must have, I must have said something, but like there's none of this surprises me.
Um, but here he is, he was also confronted by a guest about the tightness of the dog's collar.
julie watts
And now it's mainstream.
I love her.
I think her collar is too tight.
unidentified
Well, it's uh we can take it off.
It's you have to you have to be able to get two fingers, and I can even get one.
julie watts
I think you're choking her.
hasan piker
She's like it's it's because she has a lot of neck meat.
Just such a lib-ass, like, oh, dude, please don't get a Frenchie.
I just wrote a Vox article talking about how problematic they are.
Like, I don't give a f.
I know they have breathing problems.
I know they're incredibly fing inbred.
I don't give a sh.
I know.
I know.
I don't care.
Like, I don't give a sh.
This is a dog.
dave rubin
Okay, so look, I I don't care about this guy.
He's a terrible human being, but your children, if you are watching this, might be watching him.
And you might want to think about that when you see these broken brains, because whether it's abusing her dog or being pro-Hamas or calling for the death of a Republican senator, like this guy is massive, massive on Twitch.
But because I don't want to, before we get to the QA, I don't want to end with him.
There are young people out there that are doing pretty freaking awesome things.
And just as I said, we should all at the top of the show, we should be aiming towards peace right now.
Like it doesn't mean you're gonna get exactly that.
What we should all be doing on our own lives is aim towards something good, aim towards building something great, whether that's a business or a family or a little bit of both, or whatever it is that you want in your life, and then you can do amazing things.
So this is this is just a great story.
Listen to this from Coin Deck, uh Coindesk.
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Uh, and here is a tweet from Shane Copeland himself, who you can see he's just a young kid, you know, he's in his 20s somewhere.
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It just takes someone crazy enough to spend their life willing it into existence.
That's on entrepreneurship, willing things into existence.
At the onset of the pandemic, I quite literally had nothing to lose.
21, running out of money, two and a half years Since I dropped out, nothing to show for it.
But I knew we were entering an era where ways to find truth would matter more than ever, and polymarket could play a critical role in that.
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I'm getting to live my wildest dreams, seemingly against all odds.
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The best is yet to come.
And then I thought this was just great.
Look at this tweet.
This is just fantastic.
This is from uh look at him, 2020, running out of money, solo founder, HQ in my makeshift bathroom office.
Little did I know polymarket was going to change the world.
I mean, he's literally, that is his bathroom, that is where he was doing work from.
Absolutely.
Aim at something, and you might get it.
When we moved to LA in 2013, we had about two, maybe two thousand bucks combined.
I had about 10,000 worth of debt.
I think we were making when I started at the Young Turks, I think I was making 40,000 a year.
You can do things.
You can build great production company, a great show.
Then that then I saw a tech problem.
I built locals.
Like you can do it too.
And that building something, going for something is so different than sitting there and abusing a dog and feeding all of the wrong ideas to young people while you become uh while you become a millionaire.
So just one more for you right now before the QA.
Here's Pete Heggseth delivering, I would say a spectacular message, post-game locker room, uh, to Navy after their win over Air Force.
unidentified
You pounded through the game.
When you needed a stop at the end, you got the big stop.
When you needed a first down, you got the first down.
That's gonna be your life, not just in this game, but for the rest of your life when you're wearing a different kind of uniform.
There's gonna be shitty days, there's gonna be tough days, there's gonna be frustrations, you're gonna have bad leaders, you're gonna have good leaders, clear missions, and missions with no clarity at all.
And what you do in those moments is what's gonna be the difference between life and death for the men, for the Americans, for the sailors, for the SEALs, for the Marines that you lead in the future.
You are their compass.
They will look to you, just like you look to your quarterback or your linebackers or your own line to say, hey, I'm on you, I'm on your back.
We're going north.
You did that today.
I love the Air Force.
They don't have it on you today.
dave rubin
That's right.
And look at the way all of those young people were looking at him and listening.
And if there's just no doubt that almost all of them will go on to do great things, whether it's in business or with their families or those other things, because there's a certain reality to the world.
And if you stop being bitter and angry and narcissistic and navel gazing, you can do great things too.
And that also is a perfect illustration of what I've been saying about Pete from day one.
It wasn't just that he was qualified, it was that he could communicate it and look the part, and that's why they hate him so much.
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Colorose says, what is stopping President Trump and the Republicans from declaring the Democrat leadership specifically as sponsors of terror at this point?
Do you think they ought to?
I don't.
I don't.
Look, is it true for sure that the Democrats coordinate with the NGOs and these other nonprofit groups to get the little LARPing jihadists out on the street?
And did they do it during BLM?
And do they work somehow with Antifa?
And how do they all have the same placards?
And why is it that every time they do a rally, it's thousands?
You never see a small rally of like 12 people, because it isn't spontaneous.
It is coordinated, and there's and there absolutely is something there, and it should be looked at.
Do we want a situation where the party in power looks at the other party?
And even if they're up to a lot of nefarious stuff and if they have all sorts of bad intentions.
And as I said, why is it that Bernie and AOC and Schumer and everybody else?
Why haven't they tweeted today?
Because they'd have to give Trump credit.
Or is it because they actually never thought there was a genocide and that's going to kind of be exposed, or what their real goal was to destroy Israel, and that's not going to happen.
Like, yeah, are they rotten to the core across the board?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But should we start jailing political opponents?
Look, we're they're going after Comey and some other things who people who seemingly did very specific things like lying under oath and fabricating the steel dossier, which led to Trump and Russia, Russia.
Like there are specific ones.
But to just say, oh, this party or the leadership or whatever, that's probably a bridge too far.
And again, you just always have to be leery of when you start when you start doing some of these things because of course one day you will not be in power and you don't want those things done to you.
Elizabeth says, Did Justin and Luke have fun birthdays?
Happy birthday to them from Izzy and me.
They had great birthdays.
It was Luke's birthday this weekend.
And we went down in Homestead down here in Florida.
Homestead is our southern Florida.
That's our farmland down here in Southern Florida.
You can go shooting down there.
They've got farms and animals and a monkey jungle and all this stuff.
We went down to this place, Berry Farm, which is just fantastic.
They've got cows and animals.
I mean, it's a fully functioning farm, uh, but they've got great barbecue and food, and we the kids we went into the cornfield and we got corn, and then we were able to feed the cows, and we were driving on the tractor, and they've got all sorts of jungle gyms, and you could jump in a thing of uh of corn, you know, just like the corn kernels and jump around in that and all kinds of fun stuff.
So yeah, we had a great day.
Ate what we all ate way too much ice cream, I would say, particularly me.
Uh Tony says, Democrats in California only registered 190 new voters in eight months, while Republicans registered 48,000.
I know we both fled uh Cali for Florida, but those numbers are shocking in a good way.
Any thoughts?
Yeah, I mean, 40,000, unfortunately, in California is just like uh the tiniest drop in the bucket.
I I would say Cali is sort of the way I feel about New York at this point.
I I just don't see much hope.
There are good people in both places, there will be pockets that are a little bit better and all of those things.
Um, but Cali particularly, it has just gone so the wrong way for so long.
You know, we cut a segment.
We were actually going to do an extra segment on the show today about some of the fallout from the California fires.
Maybe we'll get to it last week.
But even the reconstruction there, it's going so poorly, they're so overregulated.
Uh, if you if you're more interested in that, Adam Carroll is doing a ton on it because I think he lost his Malibu house.
Um, yeah, so 40,000 people and the Democrats only got a couple.
I I don't see much changing, unfortunately.
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Nimbus says, Do you plan on shaving the beard after Pete Heggseth's announcement?
So I don't know that the announcement said specifically that they can't have beards, right?
But there's a certain conduct code.
This is like George Steinbrenner and the Yankees fighting with Don Mattingley over the uh side burns in 1992 or something.
Um I don't know that you're not allowed to have beards at all.
We can confirm that.
But no, the beard, I'm as I keep saying, I'm more beard than man at this point.
It has taken over.
It's like, it's like uh what's his name?
Venom and the guy, the symbiote, it's on me.
Uh yeah, I don't, I I just look better with the beard.
I'm yeah.
God, I was fat.
Why didn't people tell me?
That's I mean, that's that's about 2000.
That was right when we moved into the new studio.
That's 2016, so that's nine years ago.
Yeah.
Carnivore diet and a beard, man.
That's what you got to do.
And a little sundial.
Why was I so pale?
Why didn't what kind of lighting were we using?
That was before you, I don't blame you.
Um says, how are the queers for Palestine going to cope with orange Hitler giving them what they want?
They can't celebrate this without giving Trump praise.
And I think that will break their brains more than it is now.
Well, that's part of the genius of Trump.
So many people take positions on things just because they hate Trump, that then when he does good, they don't know what to do.
And then that's why they're so hysterical in essence.
But I would say, look, if if uh, I mean, this will be the great test, right?
Like they're not going to give him credit, obviously.
And it's why AOC can't tweet about this or any of those things.
Um, but you know, let's give it six months.
Israel will have withdrawn further, there'll be some reconstruction, hostages out, things will be calm, there won't be rockets going in in and out and all that stuff.
And then why don't we uh I'll here, I'm willing to do it.
I I will throw in 20,000, let's say, uh, to get a bunch of the queer, and you gotta have real nails and you gotta have the crazy hair, all the stuff, but the queers for Palestine, let's send them over there and see, you know, with the new leadership that's going to be less extreme, let's see how the average person in Gaza treats you.
And we all know the answer to that.
So yeah.
Sally says, if you could be governor of Florida for one day, what would you do?
Ooh, that's a good one.
Well, look, the main thing, scary scary.
Uh, the main thing that our uh current governor is working on before he wraps up his second term, obviously DeSantis, is that he's trying to get rid of property taxes for people that have a homestead.
I mentioned the town of Homestead in Florida earlier, but a homestead with we have something called homesteading here in Florida, which is your your personal home, gets certain tax benefits.
And if you were ever, uh, if you were ever uh in a lawsuit and they were coming for your assets, they can't come for your home.
There's certain protections around that.
But what he wants to do is make sure that if you have a homestead in Florida, your primary residence, that you will not pay property taxes, because as the market has gone up so much here because of the success of Florida, property taxes have increased because property values have increased.
And then that pushes certain people out.
OG Floridians who've been here for a long time, all the properties around them are going up, so their property taxes are going up.
It's actually it's not fair.
And even putting that aside, you know, if you buy a house outright, why are you paying taxes on that house every year?
There are all sorts of what we all pay sales tax, we pay, we don't have state income tax here, but there are all sorts of other taxes that you're paying.
And because we have such good tourism here, we don't overspend here and all of these things.
He's worked it out.
I mean, he's pushing this through the legislature that we can maybe maybe we'd increase a little bit of sales tax for all the people that enjoy all the beauty and wonder and success and safety of Florida that come on vacation here.
Maybe they'll pay a little bit more to be part of this wonderful place, and the actual Floridians will pay a little bit less.
So I would be all for doing that if DeSantis isn't able to get it through.
But I think he would.
You know what?
Beyond that, maybe this will sound cliche, but if I ever, and I I have been asked if I ever was to run for governor of Florida or anything else.
I mean, I think what I would do is I would just have DeSantis on speed dial.
And every time there was a real problem, I would say, hey, Gov, can you give me a little advice here?
Like, what do we do?
How do I follow in your footsteps?
I mean, I I just don't know a public leader across the board who has been more of a man of his word, who has accomplished more, who has righted a ship that could have gone the other way.
Let's not forget that when DeSantis came in the first time, not only did only win by I think like a point and a half, the guy, the Democrat that he almost uh lost to turned out to be a meth addict.
Like that's how close Florida was to the precipice after everything that was going on with COVID and everything else, so so pretty nuts.
Uh, you know, I thought an interesting way to end the show today would be in light of what's happened here with the let's say dawn of Middle East peace, or at last, let's say less killing.
Um, tomorrow is the one-year anniversary of the death, the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Uh, and this video was going around that it's really to honor Charlie.
And the point more than anything else is Be your best self.
Be brave.
That's what we all could do right now.
I really believe it, guys.
There is a unique opportunity right this moment.
That all of us, even for the fighting on the right, like we could put it aside right now and be like, Trump's pretty good.
America's pretty good.
The Middle East thing's gonna wrap up.
Let's stop with all the bickering and all of those things.
And that's so much of what Charlie represented.
So we will end with Charlie, postgame show right after, Rubenreport.locals.com.
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What advice do you have for me as I move into adulthood in order to become a more informed and involved citizen?
hasan piker
Well, first of all, thank you for being here.
unidentified
And I have hope thanks to people like you.
hasan piker
How old are you again?
unidentified
13.
hasan piker
13.
Here's a couple things I want to encourage you to do.
Learn something new every single day.
unidentified
And focus on what it means to be a good person and a person of strong character.
hasan piker
Aristotle said that courage is the ultimate virtue.
Without it, there are no other virtues.
If people aren't courageous, you don't have honesty.
unidentified
You don't have justice.
You don't have beauty.
You don't have wonder.
And so at age 13, I want you to commit yourself to a life of courage.
Courage is doing the right thing when you don't know how it's going to work out.
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