Dave Rubin, Carol Markowitz, and Dana Loesch dissect the fallout from the Charlie Kirk memorial, debating James Comey's potential perjury indictment and accusing the FBI of ideological revenge via Fusion GPS. They contrast Trump's authentic humor about enemies with Jake Tapper's narrative of vindictiveness while refuting Hillary Clinton's calls to end demonization by citing her own "vast right-wing conspiracy" rhetoric. The trio further analyzes campus radicalization asymmetries, Trump's controversial Tylenol-autism claims, and his allegations that UN staff sabotaged his teleprompter at the General Assembly, ultimately framing these events as evidence of systemic political bias rather than isolated incidents. [Automatically generated summary]
I have to say, before we start, we're just going to catch up on all the week's news.
And of course, everything, as I said to you right before we started, everything, even the stories that aren't about Charlie still feel like they are about Charlie.
But I guess maybe before we start, Dana, I saw you at the memorial on Sunday and I was trying to figure out who I wanted on the show this week.
And I just wanted people that are feeling what I'm feeling right now.
And I think it's, I almost think it's everybody, but you and I just had a moment and I was like, I've got to get Dana on the show this week.
And so since you haven't been on for a while, how are you doing with this whole thing before we get into all the political part?
Like the gangs, all most of the gangs all here for Charlie.
And it was just sort of that, I think that shared moment.
And both of us were trying to keep the tears from our eyes from spilling all over our faces because I don't know about you, but I'm a really ugly crier.
It's just so gross.
So I just try not to.
So I probably gave you one of those.
But I feel like it's, you know, it seems real now, obviously, whereas a week ago it didn't.
It seems real.
And I don't know if the anger has subsided.
I think now the anger over what immediately happened has now transformed into, I can't believe that you're denying that people are denying the contributing factors as to why these, why this happened, this horrific tragedy.
And that's still, I think that's still kind of powering the rage, if that makes sense.
In the days right afterwards, I was trying to hold on to Charlie as a person being gone, Charlie, our friend, Charlie, the guy that would say a funny comment or something really meaningful when you saw him.
And he was really good at that kind of thing.
So I was very sad about the loss of Charlie, the person, Charlie, the friend.
And now it's like Charlie the movement leader and Charlie the icon and all of that.
It feels like we're moving into that stage where we really lost a giant and we lost a leader.
And it's really hard to kind of recover from that.
But about the news cycle moving quickly, I think we need to hold on as we remember Charlie and as we talk about him and as we move forward, that this violence that he died a part of this leftist violence, it's ongoing.
We had the news story that I was referring to that disappeared was the shooting at the ICE facility in Texas.
And I think stuff like that, it's getting scary and people need to be more aware of what's going on because the news media really doesn't want to talk about it.
So we're going to have to keep talking about it ourselves.
So the second we start making some sense, it all gets mixed up again.
So we will dive into the Dallas shooting and a bunch more.
But let's start with something else altogether.
Although, again, I think we'll be able to connect everything we're doing to Charlie one way or another.
It looks like James Comey might be indicted here.
Listen to this from Fox.
The Justice Department is seeking to indict former FBI director James Comey for perjury.
As the deadline to bring charges looms, Fox News has learned.
The probe into Comey centers on whether he lied to Congress during his September 30th, 2020 testimony about his handling of the investigation into Russia interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
Under federal law, prosecutors have five years to bring a charge with the five-year mark occurring next Tuesday.
So actually, Dana, before I have you chime in, here's the line that Comey said under oath that they seemingly think they can get him on.
Yeah, he was very, he was savvy enough to qualify his response there to sort of give him a little buffer.
But I'm glad to see this happening.
You know, I know some people were saying, oh, we have to have caution with this caution.
That caution went out the window when the FBI, when you had the FBI, and everybody knows this whole sordid tale, when they were working with Fusion GPS and they were laundering this OPPO research through all of these different journalists.
I mean, it's Kremlin OPPO.
They're all laundering it through.
They bypassed the regular standard operating procedure to go and get this surveillance warrant to go after people who were with the campaign leading up to 2016, all because of ideological revenge.
That's what it was all about.
And there's no way that somebody like Comey didn't know this.
I mean, the buck stops with James Comey.
So, you know, he gave himself kind of an out there.
And I'm inclined to agree with you on that, that that's probably the way that that will go because that's sort of the way it always goes with these individuals.
They're just slimy enough.
They give themselves just enough breathing space to get out of these situations they've created for themselves.
But we all know the truth on this.
We all know.
I mean, you had a FISA judge who left her position because of the fallout from this scandal.
The Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC had to pay fines for FEC violations for not disclosing that they were the ones that were subsidizing all of the OPO, all of Fusion GPS, and ultimately the information presented to the FISA judge to get that surveillance warrant in the first place.
Everything you laid out there, we know is factually true.
But your broader point of like everyone kind of skates through, it reminds me of James Clapper testifying under oath.
They asked him, you know, are we spying on the American people?
And like an episode of Seinfeld, he scratches his head on the top of his head because he's lying.
And Seinfeld says, you touch your head, the higher up is the bigger the lie.
And he says, not wittingly.
It's like, okay, Carol, so I guess the broader point here is that, is this ultimately what the swamp is?
When people talk about the swamp, is the swamp just that there's a system in place so people can do horrible things and pretty much always get away with it?
I've known him for a long time before he even ran for office, and he was always very kind and very amiable.
He's got a quality.
It's an old school quality that you don't really see in a lot of these younger politicians either, where he just cuts through the BS and just says it like it is.
And you know that he's from a different generation.
So he gets a pass for it.
Right.
And I think that that all works in his favor.
He's always in the suit, even when he's driving a garbage truck and it works in his favor.
He's in a suit at McDonald's.
That's just how he is.
He's old school.
So he's able to do some things as a result of the timing of his birth that a lot of other people wouldn't get a pass at.
But he's also, he's just funny.
I mean, he's funny about it.
He's very disarming.
And I think even for the people that really dislike him, if you actually watched him for any length of time or gotten to know him, he's kind of a hard guy to dislike.
And, you know, since you were in the room, I'll ask you, and then Carol, I'm sure you were watching it.
But during the memorial, when Trump went up there and he started talking about how Charlie did not hate his enemies and he goes, but I hate my enemies.
And then he goes, Charlie's probably mad at me looking down.
I thought, man, he just captured what it's all about.
He captured the best of this guy who was this deeply Christian spiritual person, right?
Who did not want to judge, whose wife just, you know, forgave the murderer of her husband.
And then Trump also said, but this is who I am.
And I am the president of the United States and did it with a did it with humor.
And in some ways, that was like the, I know that Erica's moment really was the best moment, but there was something about that moment where he got us to laugh and then also said something really, really deep within that.
Yeah, it was the perfect denouement to the whole thing because when she came out and said what she said, when Charlie's widow said, I forgive him, I mean, everybody was shocked.
And let's be honest, all of us go, would we do that?
We all kind of took, like, everybody thought in that split second, oh, that's a big one.
I mean, she's so mature and powerful in her faith.
And when Trump said what he said, it was a perfect moment of levity.
He wasn't making some sort of, he wasn't trying to make a pronouncement on biblical doctrine, but he was like, ah, you know, I hate my enemies.
He was joking about it, but we all laughed.
It was sort of like, here's your permission to laugh your backside off about this because it was so funny.
That's the thing because nobody there, and I thought Junior did it quite well too.
Nobody there thinks they're the perfect Christians or are going to church every Sunday or anything else.
So they were doing both.
And I really thought it's a very delicate thing to balance.
And I thought they did it really nicely.
But speaking of pandering, let's jump to CNN for a second because Jake Tapper, a man who has lied about everything basically for the last decade or so, well, listen to his thoughts on why Trump or the administration might be going after Comey.
And just to be clear here, President Trump wanting a prosecution of James Comey, does it matter what the charge is or he just wants his political enemies charged with something?
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Well, I think to prosecutors, it matters.
I mean, I don't think that the president is necessarily the closest observer of the criminal law, but I do think that for prosecutors, they realize there has to be a case that they can argue.
And you know, actually, Maggie Haberman is right in that clip that prosecutors wouldn't bring the case if they didn't think there was a case there.
It doesn't matter what Trump thinks.
The prosecutors will have to say, there's no case here.
Sorry, there's nothing we could do with this.
So she's absolutely right there.
But Tapper trying to put words in her mouth, trying to send the story in one direction when we all know it's going in another direction.
It's very partisan.
It's very blatant.
And it's why nobody trusts these people at all.
Nobody trusts the media, the mainstream media.
And there's a reason for that because we know that in two years, Tapper can write a book about what happened now and pretend he didn't know anything and tell a completely different story just like he did during the Biden years.
Dana, I suspect since that insane town hall that you were part of on CNN after the Parkland shooting, I suspect nothing that happens on CNN surprises you at this point.
Let me show you one other thing because here's a guy that actually does make sense, Stephen Miller talking about why the Department of Justice may go, well, why they are going after him.
To make on that subject or question, but I'm always happy to talk about former FBI, disgraced former FBI director James Comey, who, of course, is corrupt, who of course has been engaged in vast amounts of illicit and unlawful conduct, who, of course, was at the center of the Russia Gate attack and assault on American democracy.
There are so many people, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Monaco, all across the government under previous administrations who have worked tirelessly to try to disseminate our democracy.
And it has to lead somewhere to accountability level.
Carol Miller did just lay out several of the names of, I don't know, 51 former intelligence officials who were on the front page of the New York Post after they all claimed that the Hunter Biden laptop was fake Russian misinformation.
That's what she called all of the people that were coming after her husband in the wake of Whitewater with the Paula Jones and the Jennifer Flowers and all of this other stuff.
Juanita Broderick, who's very vocal on X. That's what she called everybody who was criticizing her husband.
Then, remember, she called the women that had been victimized by her husband, quote unquote, bimbos.
Then it went from there.
So, this is that is my earliest memory of the demonization that began.
And it didn't begin on the right.
It's always coming from one way.
We disagree and we might, you know, be upset with someone's facts, but we don't react the way that the left does.
And we don't call people that we disagree with bigots or Hitler or Nazis or diminish anything by adopting it and accusing our opponents of the worst moral failings of the modern era.
One of the things I've been trying to explain to people for the last two weeks is to that point that there's a fundamental difference when you call people Nazis and fascists versus when we call them socialists because they call themselves socialists.
Bernie calls himself a socialist now.
Mom Donnie calls himself a socialist.
It's a fundamentally different piece of the equation that never seems to be lost on these people, or that I guess suppose is always lost on these people.
But Carol, if we were trying to really like give Hillary every benefit of the doubt there, if we really were trying, is there anything there?
This is a really crazy thing that happened this week, especially to the backdrop of Charlie.
There's a group of young kids, they're Trump supporters, basically, that are trying to replicate, it seems like, a bit of what Turning Point was doing on college campuses.
They put on MAGA hats and they set up a table.
This is kind of like a Steven Crowder thing.
And they just, they're there to chat.
As far as I can tell, they're there just to chat with some other students.
So they went to Tennessee State University.
Their group name is Fearless Debate.
And, well, take a look.
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Oh, my God.
Well, I think the Fearless Torah definitely made an impact.
And this is on the heels of these reports that have been released that showed a pretty significant portion of these younger generations, especially on these college campuses, they actually think that violence is an acceptable substitute for dissent if the means justify the ends.
That's a really alarming thing, especially all throughout history.
All of the worst things began on college campuses, whether it's in communist China, whether it was in Germany, whether it's in Russia.
Go back to the college campuses where these worst ideologies are radicalized.
And then they threw that filter and they go out into the streets.
And it seems like, you know, that's still happening here, but it's, it's somehow it's accelerated and it's harsher than I've ever seen it.
I mean, the fact that from what I saw, they just, as you said, put on a red hat and they sat there.
That was the reaction to that.
That's rabid.
That is a wild, rabid mob.
What are they being taught if that's their reaction to a different idea that they just can't calmly refute it?
The numbers you're referencing about young people being radicalized.
I mean, according to the YouGov poll that is not particularly favorable to conservatives, it was 25% of young people who identify as very liberal, I mean, basically progressive, think that political violence is excused.
So it's like, Carol, if you were one of those kids and somebody shows up in the MAGA hat and you've been taught by your professor at school that that means Nazi and you watched, I don't know, Gavin Newsom on Colbert two days ago call him a fascist and say he's going to cancel the elections and then Kimmel saying that the killer was MAGA.
But the thing is that Charlie was the person bridging that.
For so long, when conservatives have come onto campus, this would be the response every single time.
Every single time they would need full-on security in order to be able to leave peacefully.
And Charlie brought the conversation to these students and said, I'm going to listen to you.
I'm going to listen to the other side.
And they killed him anyway.
And I know we're not supposed to say they, but it did feel like the left was supportive of that killer.
And I don't, you know, I don't think there's a real problem in saying that the ideology led to that murder.
Charlie was the best of it.
And these people don't understand that so many other people will have no time to hear their opinion or no patience for their radicalism or want to talk to them about anything.
And it's really unfortunate that this is what college kids have become and that this is acceptable.
You know, I'm really glad you said that because I've been thinking about it a lot.
I think maybe I said it a couple of days ago on Eric, but he really was the best of us in this space.
He really was doing the thing.
It sounds cliche, but like he was doing the thing that everyone says you're supposed to do.
And that is why they.
I don't have a problem saying they in this context.
Listen to this statement about what we just showed you from Tennessee State University.
Today, a group of individuals unaffiliated with Tennessee State University appeared on campus without prior notice.
In accordance with university policy, any demonstration or protest activity requires advance approval and permitting.
Campus police and staff responded promptly and individuals were escorted from the university grounds without incident.
At all times, TSU students conducted themselves in a professional and respectful manner.
The safety and well-being being of our students, faculty, and staff remains our highest priority.
TSU will continue to uphold university policies and ensure that campus remains a safe, welcoming, and orderly environment for all members of our staff or all members of our community.
Look, first I'll give the devil his due here.
I mean, I do believe campuses have a right to have groups on or not on campus.
And if your policy is that you have to get a pass or, you know, you have to fill out some application or something, that is one thing.
Dana, I think it's a little odd that they kind of defend the behavior of the students because, I mean, a couple people showed up in red hats and you're literally chasing them off campus and security has to be called.
I don't know enough about Tennessee State to say this for sure, but I wonder if a bunch of people in Kefias and Palestinian flags were there, if they would have been treated that poorly, let's say, by the student body.
I mean, that was the, it's mostly peaceful protest.
Oh, they were respectful.
They weren't respectful.
If I was the university, if I was, you know, the head of the university, I would have said, what is wrong with these students that this is how they reacted to a difference of opinion?
Are you so undereducated?
And are you so without confidence that this is how you comport yourselves?
That would have been my response for the university.
So, Carol, is that the point that maybe had the university said just that, like, okay, they shouldn't have been here because we do have an application process and they weren't granted access or whatever.
However, we do expect a little bit more out of our students.
But the point is, with all of these institutions at this point, whether it's the Democrat Party or these colleges, the inmates are running the asylum and every adult is afraid to show up.
He is, he's sort of like the Bill Paxton, Bill Pullman, Democrats, because him and John Ossuff and Beto Orwork, they're the same guy.
They came from the same place.
And they push him out.
And he seems like he's very innocuous, but I think that that's kind of like the danger of it because he's just a vessel for all of these horrible ideas.
One of the most underaccomplished people in terms of policy, domestic, et cetera, that I've seen.
I mean, he couldn't even get the potholes covered in South Bend.
He leaves Indiana and goes up north so he can actually kind of vie for a seat.
If they really push this guy, especially as like Newsome Second Banana going into 2028, I think that that's great for us because he's such an empty bag.
He's just, he's just such a completely flavorless chip.
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So, the other big thing this week, of course, that Trump announced at the memorial was they were going to make a big announcement related to autism and the causes, and then make some new guidelines as it pertains to what women should be doing while pregnant.
Here's President Trump: Tylenol during pregnancy can be associated with a very increased risk of autism.
So, taking Tylenol is not good.
All right, I'll say it.
It's not good for this reason.
They are strongly recommending that women limit Tylenol use during pregnancy unless medically necessary.
Don't let them pump your baby up with the largest pile of stuff you've ever seen in your life going into the delicate little body of a baby.
Even if it's two years, three years, four years, you just break it up into, I would say, five, but let's say four, four visits to the doctor instead of one.
And then now you have a rash of people out there just chugging Tylenol.
I'm pretty sure that the Tide Pod warning was specifically for those people, too.
So now that makes sense now, going back and looking at it.
And they admitted.
They're like, yeah, maybe, you know, none of our products are great for if you're pregnant.
And then, I mean, there's always a tweet, right?
That's been, and they've said that repeatedly over the years.
So I don't know why people are getting so mad at Trump for talking about Tylenol in that context.
I know that there were questions.
I have a piece up on my sub stack about a lot of the studies and things that they were citing, which is kind of different from the specific Tylenol issue.
But these were also the people that said he that claimed he said to inject bleach, which he didn't.
And now they're out there chugging Tylenol as like in protest.
Don't hate any politician enough that you might want to harm your baby.
I think that that's an easy call for most people to make.
And yet, here we are having to say those words out loud.
I don't know that the studies show that Tylenol has a direct connection to autism, but there might be other issues anyway.
And Tylenol themselves say don't take it when pregnant.
So, hey, how about don't take it when pregnant?
It's really not that hard.
And I think we can see what happens.
There's been such a break of public trust, especially where health agencies are concerned because of the COVID years.
I like to see this kind of transparency where people that I trust, Jay Bettacharya, Marty Macquarie, they're out there and they're having the conversation and they're showing us the studies and they're telling us what it might mean.
Nothing is 100%, but listen, you have to have somebody that you trust.
And those are people I trust.
And I would follow their direction.
You don't have to love Donald Trump.
Don't try to hurt your child because he said not to.
And by the way, as opposed to the previous administration, which was literally forcing people to be injected with something that did not do what they claimed it did, or you would potentially lose your job, these are guidelines that they're offering.
They're not banning it or anything else.
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All right, so the other big story we will finish on this this week is that the UN General Assembly, which for those of you that used to watch the Super Friends in the 80s, it's basically like the Legion of Dumont steroids.
They gave their usual talks and it's a bunch of managerial nutbags telling us all how terrible the West is and all that stuff, except for one guy.
I mean, basically, just trashing the UN, going off on the Western leaders, you know, mocking this absurd Australian, British, French recognition of Palestine, which is a state that never existed and still doesn't exist, even if they want to pretend it does.
It's just that to me, it's the best of him.
And we should have just leveled that entire building and built a monument to him.
And on top of all of that, they also, I have no doubt it was intentional.
They screwed up his teleprompter, which would have knocked any other world leader completely off the podium.
He was able to continue and ad-lib, which was incredible.
And when he and the first lady got on the escalator, it magically broke, which we're going to find out more about because Caroline Levitt ain't going to stand for it.
UN globalist staffers were basically plotting to set up the president of the United States.
And first it was the escalator, then it was the teleprompter.
And then Katie Pavlich from Town Hall, who we offered a seat in the press pool to cover the president's historic speech today, noticed that the audio inside of the room was much lower and different for the president of the United States than the previous speaker.
So when you put all of this together, it doesn't look like a coincidence to me.
And I know that we have people, including the United States Secret Service, who are looking into this to try to get to the bottom of it.
And if we find that these were UN staffers who were purposefully trying to trip up, literally trip up the president and the first lady of the United States, well, there better be accountability for those people.
Dana, I know it kind of seems like a funny story in a way or silly or whatever.
Okay, the prompter didn't work and the escalator didn't work, but it's not actually.
We fund the freaking thing, as Carol just pointed out.
It's a deeply corrupt organization, and they are quite literally doing everything possible to silence the president of the United States, the leader of the free world, the only guy who matters there.
I mean, everybody saw the way that that escalator stopped.
I mean, heaven forbid.
I mean, Melania Trump could have fallen.
The first lady could have fallen.
The president could have fallen.
But what's more is the week before, it was widely reported that there were UN staffers that were openly joking about sabotaging Trump's visit, literally exactly as it was just described with the escalator, with the microphone, with the teleprompter, because once is an incident, twice might be a coincidence, but third is a pattern.
So there's really, I mean, there's no explaining it.
There's really no excuse for it.
And especially when they were just so openly joking about it.
But I agree.
I mean, the UN is a long-expired vanity exercise for all of these other nations to come on the United States' time and dime in real estate and pretend that they're actually doing anything about world peace, which they're not.
It's all the United States that's exercising.
And for some reason, we allow, even with the command of NATO, we allow other countries to take command of our resources to play house, and it needs to stop.
With that in mind, I thought we would end this week with a brilliant, it's about a minute long, the great Thomas Soule on the managerial class who never pay the price for the policies that they instituted.
All people owe their lives to the sorrowing society and that they cannot simply demolish it because it is unjust, because everything human has always been On, Josh.
My tendency is to want more freedom for the individual.
I don't want people making decisions who don't pay the price of their decisions.
And that's what politics is all about.
You don't pay the price of a decision.
One of the reasons we had a Jim Crow era in this country was because the politicians didn't pay the price of that.
That was enormously costly to the white as well as the black population.
But the politicians who put that in didn't pay any cost for that.
They drew their full salary, irrespective of all that.
And I want someone who discriminates to have to lose money discriminating because people tend to back off when they start losing big money.
And I think people in the civil rights area have missed a bet by not trying to promote more free markets because that makes discrimination the most costly it can be.
Well, Carol, to tie this all together, he wasn't talking about the UN, obviously, but it's a perfect descriptor of the UN.
A bunch of people who not on their dime are making decisions about things that don't affect them in any way while they create a situation that allows the rest of the world to burn.
I think the greatest thing ever is for Gen X to raise up the next generation of caustic, cynical question askers and to kind of take them to task through voting and just overtaking the government.
So I'm kind of excited to see what Gen Z can do in that regard.
So I'm going to be back at the range to shoot that some more and figure out the best grain of ammo to run through that and then have dinner with my friends for my birthday.