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Dr. Drew: Latest Evidence Points to a Cover-Up of Biden’s Cancer
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dave rubin
All right, people, I'm Dave Rubin.
This is The Rubin Report.
And using the latest internet technology, we are live streaming on YouTube, Rumble, and Locals.
And it's Friday, which means it's time for a roundtable extravaganza, which generally would mean that I'd have two guests.
But this guest has such a proven track record on this program, I said we can split him into two and just bring him on alone.
I don't know if that exactly makes sense, but it sounded right when I was thinking about it right before we started the show.
You know who he is.
He needs no introduction.
The host of Ask Dr. Drew, Dr. Drew Pinsky from Los Angeles, California.
How are you, my friend?
dr drew pinsky
Great, Dave.
Good to see you.
But the way you framed that, this can't go well.
This can't.
This guy has to disappoint.
But here we go.
dave rubin
Let's do it.
Well, actually, the reason I wanted to have you, we normally do the roundtables on Friday, but I thought we would just do this with you today because the whole show today really is just like a health update.
You know, there's so much between Biden's cognitive stuff, the cancer stuff.
There's a lot going on in the Maha world and a bunch more.
I thought that you could probably handle the heavy load that normally two guests would handle.
And also you have certain not only medical expertise, but also some personal expertise as it comes to the prostate cancer stuff.
We'll get into.
So let's just dive right in.
dr drew pinsky
Go ahead.
I'm a domestic terrorist.
dave rubin
Oh, well, yes.
You also are a domestic terrorist, which I think I am, too.
We're still trying to go through the paperwork that just came out.
Yes, the government apparently was calling a bunch of us who are anti-mandate, not just anti-vax or whatever you want to call that, but anti-mandate.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
dave rubin
Yes, that we are somehow domestic terrorists.
So we will get to...
So yes, I...
A possible domestic terrorist and also a doctor, Drew Pinsky.
dr drew pinsky
Thank you, sir.
dave rubin
There you go.
And also from L.A., which is pretty questionable in and of itself.
All right.
Let's dive in.
And I referenced you a couple of times on the show this week because I was watching your show and I saw you on...
So we'll clean up some of this.
Here's video from CNN.
Biden's team saying that the last time he was tested for prostate cancer, believe it or not.
arlette saenz
A Biden spokesperson tells me that former President Joe Biden, his last known PSA, which is a screening that could be used for prostate cancer, was conducted in 2014 and that he was never diagnosed with cancer before the Friday diagnosis that was handed from his doctors.
Now, to give you a bit of a background, the PSA test checks the blood for levels of a protein called prostate-specific antigen that might indicate Many medical associations say that whether to have this test is something that's usually determined between a patient and their doctor.
And independent experts who have reviewed some screening studies for the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force recommend against screening for prostate cancer for men 70 and older.
So in 2014, Biden would have been in that 71, 72 age range.
Now, this new disclosure from Biden's spokesperson comes as a form as President Donald Trump and some of his allies have questioned why Biden's cancer diagnosis was not revealed Okay, Drew, so I want you to clean up a bunch here because we basically find out that he has what I guess they would call late stage.
dave rubin
Prostate cancer.
Gleason score nine.
It has moved to his bones.
And that generally speaking, as I understand it, but clean this up if I'm wrong, generally speaking, you would know about this for years.
This is not something that magically appears just like that.
The argument, I suppose, that the administration or the Biden officials or doctor or team around him is making is that if you're over 70, that perhaps you don't do this yearly test Giving them every benefit of the doubt, there is some controversy on this.
dr drew pinsky
However, experts in prostate cancer, people I'm around all the time, are very clear the screening should continue.
And the proof, everybody, is in the pudding.
david drew pinsky
Look at how this played out.
dr drew pinsky
It didn't have to happen like this.
david drew pinsky
If he had been properly screened, if indeed, and by the way, this falls into what Adam Carolla always calls stupid or liar.
He's stupid and not doing the screening in this man, who's, by the way, deteriorating.
If an old man is deteriorating, you look for an explanation for that.
The cancer itself could be the explanation for the deterioration over the last two years.
People with Parkinsonism, people with dementias of various types, even minimal cognitive change, get worse when they have any medical problems.
So it's all under the category of stupid or liar.
And the reality is because we have no confidence in what comes out of that group, the Biden administration that we immediately assume it's lying or obfuscating or distorting or somehow we're not getting the whole story because it doesn't make sense that the president of the United States wouldn't be screened at the highest level of what's available for any individual.
dr drew pinsky
And the fact that he carted around this osteopath with him to run, I guess, cover for him for his medical process.
david drew pinsky
I don't know why that guy was there.
He apparently got in between the president and the Walter Reed physicians, clearly, because had it been up to the highest standards, he would have been screened regularly.
This would have been picked up early.
dr drew pinsky
There would have been no problem with it.
dave rubin
So I love that you just referenced Adam's stupid or liar thing, because I think that perfectly frames what's going on here, because either it was a bunch of people that did not know what they were doing, and I think we could say that relative to the entire administration, not just this specifically, or they've been lying about it.
But just to try to really give the devil his due here, can you explain why is it that a doctor would say, hey, at 70 now, we should not test for this?
Just if we're just really trying to play this out in the most clear way possible.
dr drew pinsky
So although the U.S. Preventative Task Force has not caught up with this yet, if you actually are talking to experts, they would continue to screen for this.
david drew pinsky
The thinking the last time that they evaluated this was by over screening men are getting treatments they don't need that haven't been shown to actually improve longevity.
That is not the current available wisdom.
Now, I would argue we have that data, but the task force hasn't caught up with it.
dave rubin
So what do you think, again, you're not his doctor, so I'm just asking you in the broad sense, what do you think, if we are to believe that his doctor decided not to test him for the past 10 years, and then you see the note that comes out a few days ago that it's Gleason score 9, metastasized to the bone.
I think I heard you talk about this with Dana, but it almost is impossible that it could have spread in basically the 100 days post-presidency, right?
david drew pinsky
Oh, yeah.
dr drew pinsky
No, no, no.
That's impossible.
david drew pinsky
And the fact that he said they found a nodule suggests they were doing digital rectal exams on the poor guy.
dr drew pinsky
We don't really do that anymore.
david drew pinsky
We follow the PSAs.
And so that's why this notion of, hey, we found a nodule, it's metastatic disease.
dr drew pinsky
That doesn't happen in sophisticated medical practice.
david drew pinsky
Yes, you can present, about 2% of prostate cancers will present with advanced disease at the time in which the PSA elevates.
dr drew pinsky
But that isn't the President of the United States.
That's somebody who's maybe getting good care, but maybe even substandard care.
david drew pinsky
We see that kind of thing.
dr drew pinsky
But somebody for whom everyone is on top of the patient, that really shouldn't happen.
dave rubin
You also just referenced the cognitive stuff.
So if you were the president's doctor or you were the doctor of an 80-some-odd-year-old man that clearly was having some cognitive stuff and that, let's say, had a roughly important job, just wasn't heading out to pasture.
Clearly, you would have been doing this test, but do you think that the cognitive stuff would have given you, I think this is what you just implied, basically, the cognitive stuff would have given you just like a little extra feather in the cap to say we should look at some other stuff, too, because it doesn't necessarily mean Parkinson's or something else.
david drew pinsky
Right.
dr drew pinsky
So when an elderly patient comes in and complains of extreme fatigue or depression or sleep disturbances or the family brings them in saying, hey, they lost a step here.
They seem to be forgetting things.
If you're really working for the President of the United States, you're going to do an extensive screen for some underlying medical problem triggering that decline and or some primary illness that is afoot that you weren't aware of, perhaps.
david drew pinsky
So all of that has been obfuscated.
dr drew pinsky
We don't know what was going on.
david drew pinsky
Or, again, stupid or liar.
dr drew pinsky
Could have been substandard care at the time.
But something sort of rang in my head this morning when I woke up, which was this notion that the You aren't an expert.
david drew pinsky
You can't.
dr drew pinsky
Well, when doctors did ring in, they, of course, attacked us.
We were domestic terrorists, don't forget.
david drew pinsky
But the fact of the matter is, when patients develop cognitive client, it is the family and friends that bring them in because you can't.
You exactly can tell when there's a problem, and then we render a diagnosis for why that's happening.
But it's apparent to lay people when somebody has a cognitive decline.
dave rubin
Right.
Well, also, I was thinking this, what's funny, you mentioned you woke up with something in your head this morning.
I was, the first thing that I thought of this morning, because I knew we were covering this today, was like, well, wait a minute.
So now we have definitive evidence that he does have prostate cancer, which no one suspected, really.
There was no reason to suspect prostate cancer.
But we still don't have any definitive idea of what happened cognitively.
dr drew pinsky
Correct.
dave rubin
You're saying it might be connected to this, but they still haven't released that.
So there's still, it's like we have one at least semi-scandal here, again, stupid or liar scandal.
But then there's a whole other one.
But look, you know, before I get to the next clip, can you just mention a little bit of your story around some of this?
Because this is very personal to you, obviously.
dr drew pinsky
I just want to finish what you were bringing up here, though, about what might be going on.
There's a lot more to be told.
david drew pinsky
I mean, it gets a little complicated because he was on a medication to suppress.
He did have prostate symptoms and he was on a medicine to suppress.
dr drew pinsky
to suppress prostatic hypertrophy, which can alter the PSA, which is, by the way, why you look at the PSA even more with greater scrutiny, which they did not.
david drew pinsky
But there's a lot of stuff going on here.
But the big thing here, Dave, is that they claim he refused the cognitive testing and the cognitive inventories.
I'm here to tell you, I think somebody who's appraised the United States ought to take the Montreal inventory that Mr. Trump takes every year publicly and just go, here's the score, here it is.
It takes a while to fill out that test.
dr drew pinsky
It's not a mini- It's a formal cognitive assessment.
And President Biden never had that.
david drew pinsky
And I bet you they're going to hide behind that as the reason, oh, we didn't know what was going on.
dr drew pinsky
So let me tell you my personal story.
david drew pinsky
I diagnosed at age 50 with prostate cancer.
dr drew pinsky
There's a whole story there.
david drew pinsky
I was not a good patient.
dr drew pinsky
I was very resistant.
I thought, oh, no, come back.
Don't worry about it.
david drew pinsky
It'll be fine.
I had some very fine people with great judgment going, hmm, we've got to look a little further.
Because my PSA went from one to four.
It was still normal.
dr drew pinsky
Normal.
dave rubin
Did you have any symptoms or you were just going for an annual test?
dr drew pinsky
And my dad had prostate cancer.
My uncle had prostate cancer.
And so I figured I'd get it in my 70s.
But at 50, I was really angry about it.
But then I needed a prostatectomy because that's what we do with young men with prostate cancer that's localized.
david drew pinsky
It evidently got outside the capsule locally a little bit.
dr drew pinsky
I ended up having something called SBRT radiation about three years ago at UCLA, which is an amazing advancement in the radiation therapies for prostate cancer of all type and probably many other tumors soon.
david drew pinsky
And it's been fun.
dr drew pinsky
And I follow carefully, and I'm at UCLA, and that's that.
david drew pinsky
This is, you know, it's not fun, but if you're going to get a cancer, prostate cancer is the one you want.
dr drew pinsky
And lo and behold, by the way, it's one of the most common cancers on Earth, and yet people are aware of breast cancer, nobody's aware of prostate cancer.
david drew pinsky
One quick thing.
Black men in particular, we do a terrible time screening them, and they usually present with more advanced disease and higher grade disease.
dr drew pinsky
We've got to get on that.
david drew pinsky
And by the way, if the Biden family administration was so concerned with African-American citizens, that should have been their message out of this experience.
Black men particularly were doing poorly.
Get your screening.
dave rubin
Do you think there's also just, there's like a stigma because of the way they had to do the test that you mentioned a moment ago, like literally digitally versus now a blood test.
At least take the guy out for a drink, you know what I'm saying?
dr drew pinsky
Much more so.
dave rubin
I stole that from Richard Lewis, 1982.
Go.
dr drew pinsky
I'm glad that was somebody else's joke.
david drew pinsky
I think there's another layer to it, which is men are fearful they're going to lose their erectile function, they're going to have urinary problems, which indeed can happen with prostate treatment, but it's not common.
dr drew pinsky
We do such a good job with this now.
david drew pinsky
I have zero symptoms.
Complete perfect.
dr drew pinsky
And I had a giant surgery to take out that whole organ was removed.
My prostate was removed.
david drew pinsky
And I was back at work in a week.
dr drew pinsky
I had no urinary symptoms, no erectile dysfunction, nothing like that.
So please, gentlemen.
Look at what happened to President Biden if you don't do the proper screening.
dave rubin
Can we put under Dr. Drew's name, not on Bluetooth?
Can we just get that up real?
We can't do that on the fly.
But I saw what you were doing there, and we're very proud of you.
And I can hear Susan in the back.
She's smiling right now.
It's very exciting.
Well, you know, we might actually get some answers here as to whether this was stupid.
Or liar, because check this out from a leading report breaking, Biden's longtime physician, Dr. Kevin O 'Connor, has been called to testify regarding an alleged cover-up of the former president's cognitive decline, which may have led to the potentially unauthorized use of Autopen to sign the executive action.
So look, Drew, my audience, and I say this all the time, I am not that hopeful that anyone ever gets like pinned against a wall, right?
Like Fauci is still out there getting his 400 grand a year for the rest of his life.
All of the people who do the bad things seem to skate away if they do it for the government.
This one seems like someone might pay the price because, and maybe it is the doctor, because it's so profoundly scandalous and it's connected directly to health.
And so that means there's other, it's not just like a government scandal.
There are ethics scandals and medical scandals and all sorts of other things.
Do you have any hope we'll uncover something here?
dr drew pinsky
Well, they have their fall guy.
david drew pinsky
We will learn something and we will certainly be able to kind of ascertain stupid.
dr drew pinsky
Liar, both.
We will get that sense.
Whether or not we'll come away with a real understanding of what's going on here, I'm not that hopeful.
Generally, I don't like the saber-rattling for civil and criminal action against all the excesses of COVID and the administration and whatnot, because I feel like as we move down that path, people get fancy attorneys, people get defensive.
We never get the truth.
We must get to the truth so that this never freaking happens again.
dave rubin
All right, last part on this.
If you were Biden's doctor now, You and I were talking offline right before we started that our friend Scott Adams also announced just the same day, I guess he found it was the opportune time to mention that he has a very similar cancer, thinks he only has a few months to live.
President Trump called him.
He will also have access to every experimental medication out there.
I mean, do you see a kind of window?
Again, I know you're not either one of their doctors, but do you see a kind of window here for people that have this?
david drew pinsky
Oh, absolutely.
dr drew pinsky
We have a lot of things we can do.
We can slow it down.
david drew pinsky
And there's even radio-labeled PSMA, it's called, where you can actually, much the way the PSA you've now heard about is a protein on the surface of the prostate cancer cells.
PSMA is even more specific.
and we can direct specific radio-labeled isotope to each individual cell and wipe it all out.
dr drew pinsky
The traditional therapy is...
Obviously, lots of problems, side effects associated with that.
Number one, by the way, is cognitive slowing and muscle wasting and falling, all the things that President Biden manifested, which made me think maybe he'd been on treatment for a couple years.
I still have a question about that.
And then there are fancier treatments, enzalutamide, these sorts of medications that are out there.
And then finally, as I said, they're radiolabeled.
And that's not a cure, but they're finding ways to use that that create some longer-term sort of slowing of the tumor.
david drew pinsky
So eventually, the elderly men die of something else sometimes before the cancer actually takes them.
So there's a lot to be done.
dr drew pinsky
But men don't like the side effects from these medications, and I don't blame them.
dave rubin
Dr. Drew ain't got no problems down there.
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All right, let's continue with the health theme right now.
Drew, I know you're going to love this story.
Listen to this from CBS.
The White House Make America Healthy Again, or Maha Commission, led by Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., has published its first report on what it says are four leading drivers of childhood chronic disease.
What does the Maha report say is causing childhood chronic disease?
Poor diet, driven primarily by ultra-processed foods.
Cumulative exposure to chemicals like food additives and pesticide.
Lack of physical activity and chronic stress.
Over-medicalization with too many prescriptions and vaccines.
I mean, I'm really just handing you Dr. Drew 101 here.
I mean, I know none of that is going to surprise you, but you must be elated that we are talking about these things.
dr drew pinsky
I'm delighted.
I'm delighted.
Also, they were talking in the presentation at the Maha Group, the notion that they're going to reduce drug prices.
I don't know if you're going to get into that at all, but that was a really interesting conversation, too.
They are going to do that.
But as it pertains to childhood illness, you see the obvious things that I think we all know are contributing to at least something like 60% of kids have at least one chronic illness.
That is anathema.
david drew pinsky
That is not okay.
dr drew pinsky
We have to do something about that.
But you see in there the over-medicalization and the chronic stress.
The code for those two things are mental health problems.
We are going to have to, what's going to be uncovered as they begin to look for solutions for all of this, they're going to have to deal with health of our families, health of our child rearing, the mental health.
The mental health consequences of what we did during COVID, all of that is certainly contributing to the other chronic illness.
david drew pinsky
And as it pertains to over-medicalization, that I absolutely agree with.
dr drew pinsky
between 19 and 7, 2014, there's a 1400% in prescribing to kids and it's continued to grow from there.
david drew pinsky
And the fact is we have begun, Life is supposed to be always happy, and that also is anathema.
The fact is, the way we build self-efficacy and resiliency and meaning is through engagement, through leaning in, through ordinary misery.
dr drew pinsky
I think you and I have talked about this before.
Ordinary misery is good.
And it doesn't require a medication.
david drew pinsky
The notion that we send kids into safe spaces, disgusting.
dr drew pinsky
Lean in.
That's how you get resiliency and self-efficacy.
dave rubin
Yeah.
You know, I was a camp counselor for a couple of years at Sleepaway and at day camp.
And I remember there would always be a few parents every summer that would have their kids on all of these medications throughout the year and then would give them like a little vacation from it during the summer.
and then the kids would be going, what the parents thought would be going crazy at camp, and I were like, oh, I was always like, you know, But I was like, oh, these kids just have energy.
That's it.
They have more energy and they're active and they want to run around and do all these crazy things because they're young humans.
dr drew pinsky
Two things.
david drew pinsky
We have pathologized the male because you just described a young male there.
That's all we do.
dr drew pinsky
Run around like that.
And the other thing is it pertains to all you were prescribing for ADHD.
david drew pinsky
One of the dirty little secrets on ADHD is childhood trauma also causes ADHD.
dr drew pinsky
And I'm here to posit.
It's the predominant contributor in that diagnostic category.
dave rubin
Right, which then probably opens up a giant can of worms because parents don't want to think about whatever it might be, too much fighting in the household or God knows what that's leading to that.
david drew pinsky
Or it might be divorce.
We've sort of, we've depatholicized divorce.
Divorce is an adverse childhood experience.
dr drew pinsky
And a parent with a substance problem is an adverse childhood experience.
david drew pinsky
Things that we just go, oh, no big deal.
It is a big deal in childhood.
And we have to address that.
dave rubin
Right.
You have two parents, one of whom might be on drugs or an alcoholic.
They're fighting.
They get divorced.
And then you wonder why the five-year-old's going crazy.
Let me jump back to the first one for a second, because one of the things that I'm most amazed by in the, you know, three months of this administration is how quickly they've moved on the food stuff and how the conversation around Maha has shifted things.
You know, when it comes to over-processed foods and all of these things, the seed oil, you know, there's like a joke around seed oils with Bobby always, seed oils are going to kill you.
I went into my local grocery store last week, and just out of sheer curiosity, I was looking at the salad dressings because I saw something on Instagram.
I saw this thing on Instagram about how they make Hidden Valley Ranch salad dressing and that it's basically, I'm not giving the exact numbers here, but they show it and it's like 70% canola oil, which is highly processed.
Anyway, I started looking at pretty much all of the salad dressings that we all know and virtually every single one, except for Bragg's, which is what I ended up buying.
It has either canola oil or vegetable oil or all of these processed oils.
And then you can get a few that have olive oil or avocado oil.
Were you thinking about this a couple of years ago?
Like when you started seeing all of the health stuff and everything that you referenced, like Bobby's really brought it to the forefront, but we should have realized this, right?
dr drew pinsky
Oh, yes.
david drew pinsky
There's a woman named Kate Shanahan who was actually the doctor for the Lakers for a while.
dr drew pinsky
She's written a book called Deep Nutrition.
david drew pinsky
She was a PhD in biochemistry before she became a family practitioner.
When I first met her probably 10 years ago, I thought, oh, man, this woman knows what she's talking about.
She alerted me to the seed oil story.
dr drew pinsky
I started looking at things back then.
david drew pinsky
Here are two things that, and she, by the way, felt that a lot of the I don't have an opinion about that, but she was very adamant that this is having pervasive effects on our health.
I'll tell you one thing we know for sure.
Seed oils in a fryer, heated seed oils, carcinogenic.
We know that.
Seed oils adversely affect inflammatory state of our body.
dr drew pinsky
We know that.
david drew pinsky
Seed oils are in everything.
Look, do you remember when you were growing up?
dr drew pinsky
Margarine was the great advancement.
Of no butter, margarine.
That's not enough.
david drew pinsky
It's oil.
Butter, tallow, olive oil.
That's it.
That's what you should just reach for every single time.
And if you are not accustomed to reading labels, just it's oil and vinegar, which is what I've gone to these days for salad dressings.
dave rubin
A little balsamic, too.
You're going to be just fine.
You're going to be just fine.
Well, let's throw to this, because this is really, this is like Dr. Drew 101 stuff.
This is Dr. James Thorpe testifying, saying that the COVID vax, I mean, this is unbelievable.
I can't believe we're still getting through this stuff, saying that the COVID vax mirrored the effects of abortion drugs on women.
dr james thorp
This deception was institutionalized in the now infamous Shima Bakuro study published on April 21st, 2021, in the digital version of the New England Journal of Medicine.
21 authors claimed the miscarriage rate was 12.6%, but the raw data revealed an 82% miscarriage rate in women vaccinated during the first trimester.
This figure mirrors the effects of chemical abortion drugs such as RU486.
Yep.
dave rubin
I don't even know what to say about that.
I mean, I guess I'm not surprised by anything at this point.
Does this shock you?
dr drew pinsky
Jim is one of the few thousand high-risk obstetricians in our country.
He has been ringing this bell for quite some time.
He is seeing it in his practice, and that's just undeniable.
david drew pinsky
He's just seeing it as it was, which is he, by the way, you know, he – The slow red pilling, yes.
It's not even red pilling, it's like a conversion experience.
dr drew pinsky
I think Jake Tapper is underway right now.
dave rubin
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Give Jake another like six months, yeah.
david drew pinsky
Yeah, you don't have to go full red pill, but you have to convert your point of view.
And he was, you know, extremely passionate about getting people vaccinated, started seeing things in his clinical practice.
And now you see he's testifying before Congress.
He he and I actually co-authored a paper on some of the VAERS data that's out there.
And it's all.
There's still a bias against it.
And I understand.
People are afraid because, guess what?
As soon as you raise, it's clear to us, it's now established that prior to this current administration, the previous administration would label you a domestic terrorist if you dared to publish anything that called into question the efficacy or safety of a vaccine.
dave rubin
Well, we're going to get to that in just a second because there's some breaking news on the—you're looking at two domestic terrorists right now if you're watching this.
But, Drew, you're going to love this.
I don't know if you heard, but about four months ago—no, three months ago, basically, end of February, I crushed my knee playing basketball.
I heard every pop and tear, and it was like glass and popcorn, and it turned out that I had 15 tears in my knee, meniscus and ACL, MCL, the whole thing.
And I got stem cells and I ended up doing, I did adipose stem cells.
So it was from my own fat, not from placentas or anything.
But when I was speaking to a couple of the stem cell doctors, several of them, and part of the reason I ended up using my own fat, were saying that you don't want stem cells from vaxxed placentas.
Oh, yeah.
And so it has literally leaked into everything.
Meanwhile, six weeks, I did the stem cells on April 10th, and I'm already playing five-on-five again, which is absolutely incredible.
That's a little bit of a sidebar, but let's get to the domestic terror stuff.
This is from Dr. Drew this morning.
Public.
Well, Newly released documents show, and this is what you tweeted.
Wow, that's a professional milestone which I did not know I had achieved nor intend, but it explains a lot.
I mean, Drew, I know for a fact Jim Jordan has shown it in congressional documents.
I was banned from Twitter.
In July of 21 for saying that the vaccines were not working as promised and mandates were coming.
They colluded with big tech.
But congratulations, my friend.
We are both domestic terrorists.
I kind of always had a feeling about you.
dr drew pinsky
I know.
I tried to hide it, but it was hard to hide.
But I always wanted to join you in something intimate.
Here we are.
We're domestic terrorists together.
unidentified
We did it.
We did it.
dave rubin
Two casual, well-dressed guys.
Nice haircuts.
Terrorism being what it used to be.
david drew pinsky
Her mandate, though, is the most egregious part of the COVID story.
dr drew pinsky
Now, I don't know if you heard the myocarditis.
Part of that hearing that you just show where Dr. Thorpe was testifying about the effect on pregnant women was also about myocarditis.
david drew pinsky
And Ron Johnson presented the data on that from FOIA documents that shows the systematic suppression of the uncovering of the severe incidents.
Of a life-threatening illness in young men.
I've said since the beginning, there will be, and by the way, what did happen to Lamar Odom?
Did he, not Odom, what was his name?
Yeah, did he?
We need to revisit that, because when he was asked some pointed questions, he was like, well, I'm not going to talk about that.
I think somebody got to him.
I think if that was comitial cortis, it was comitial cortis and myocarditis, or post-myocarditis, because guess what?
Ron Johnson uncovered that there were explicit recommendations for no physical activity after having had anything that was a hint of myocarditis, and they suppressed even that.
So that is what led to a lot of the deaths that occurred, for sure.
And people need to be held accountable.
And I would argue that any institution that required a We were talking about it back then.
Since the Israeli study first raised the flag, we started talking about it.
dr drew pinsky
That's when we became domestic terrorists, by the way.
david drew pinsky
But that any institution that mandated it should be sued.
Absolutely.
It should be sued for wrongful deaths.
It should be sued for whatever the consequences were.
they were out of line.
Aaron Cariotti raised the flag on this early and said, we don't There's not an ethical ground for a mandate.
We don't have it.
And he was fired from his position as, guess what, the chairman of the bioethics department at University of California, Irvine, where he had always championed walking the walk when it gets tough.
Not just talking the talk, but make sure you walk the walk when you see an ethical transgression.
dr drew pinsky
He was fired for it, and he was a lead plaintiff in the Missouri v.
Biden case.
dave rubin
I'm guessing I know the answer to this, but when you see Dr. Marty McCary and Jay Bhattacharya and Bobby Kennedy up there in front of the mics, you must feel like this was the only way out of this.
Like there literally probably was no way out other than it might be actually these three guys.
Maybe it could have been you.
david drew pinsky
What does Scott Adam call it?
dr drew pinsky
We're in a video game or something.
He has a name for it.
dave rubin
The simulation.
dr drew pinsky
It's proof of the simulation to me.
When Jay told me he was being considered for NIH, it took, I swear to you, it took my breath away.
david drew pinsky
I thought, this...
This is justice.
Now, I want you to know, though, that both Jay and Marty and also Mehmet Oz were threatening their justice.
dr drew pinsky
You see the presentation yesterday on Maha with President Trump in the middle of the group, where he threatened all three of them and said, hey, if you don't get this done in four months, I'm firing all of you.
Please get it done.
david drew pinsky
I want you guys to stay in there.
That is getting, what he was talking about was getting drug prices to the lowest available cost of any country in the world, that we should be paying the lowest.
I didn't realize we had been subsidizing other countries' drug expenses and research.
And that has to stop.
dr drew pinsky
It's the same thing as tariffs.
david drew pinsky
It's the same problem.
dave rubin
Imagine a government employee getting fired for not doing something that they were brought in to do.
Trump truly is a radical.
It's really rather extraordinary.
We're going to shift gears and talk about this horrific shooting in D.C. and some of the fallout from that in just a second.
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The End All right, so there was obviously this horrific shooting outside the Jewish Museum in D.C. a couple days ago.
dr drew pinsky
Before you switch gears.
Let's get Morgan& Morgan into the vaccine business of vaccine injuries.
It's time.
dave rubin
For real.
That could be a commercial for them right there.
But all right, so let's get everybody caught up on the shooting.
And then some of the fallout and reaction has just been beyond imagination.
This is from ABC News.
Yaron Lashinsky and Sarah Lynn Milgram, two staff members at the Israeli embassy, were killed outside an event at the Capitol Jewish Museum in Washington, D.C. on Wednesday night, according to Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Saar.
The young couple were not diplomats, but instead Lishinsky was a researcher in the political department of the Israeli embassy and Milgram organized U.S. missions to Israel.
The couple that was gunned down tonight were about to be engaged.
Yechil Leiter, Israeli ambassador to the United States, said during the press conference, the young man purchased a ring this week with the intention Not that that even matters, but I think it adds a little extra context to all of this.
And Drew, before I have you chime in, let's just get a little more on the shooter himself.
This is from my friend Ari Hoffman.
New, Elias Rodriguez, the 30-year-old suspect in the shooting tonight in D.C. of two staff members of the Israeli embassy, is allegedly an active member of the Party for Socialism and Liberation, who marched with BLM, the People's Congress of Resistance, and Answer Chicago.
Drew, they've been saying globalize the Intifada.
I'm pretty sure this is exactly what it means.
unidentified
Yeah.
dr drew pinsky
If they hadn't been so explicit and so explicit to our young people, you might doubt it.
And I, you know, throughout my life, I would look at behavior like this and go, oh, when there are excesses in the media, the sort of most vulnerable amongst us are taken advantage of because they are swept into their delusions and they might, you know, have otherwise just been harmlessly not well.
david drew pinsky
I don't think that about this case.
dr drew pinsky
I feel like we've moved into new territory here that you're sort of tilting at, which is there is such a thing as political violent extremism, and we must put it up.
This is a death penalty for this guy.
david drew pinsky
Did you hear the way he leaned in and shot and shot and shot to make sure they were dead?
dave rubin
Yeah, so after he hit her, she was then crawling away and he went back for it.
Yeah, and then once he was arrested, he was still yelling free, free Palestine.
I mean, there's no contrition or...
dr drew pinsky
There have been political moments like this before.
Swift and sure justice.
That's it.
Look, it's not different than McVeigh and the things that happened back 30 years ago.
It has to be swift and sure or it will continue.
dave rubin
So where do you think we're at with the sort of mental and political and media moment with this?
Because we've talked about sort of the mental stuff that our young people are going through and the social anxiety and everything else.
Then a media that has lied to them about so many things, including, I would say, largely the Middle East and everything else.
And then a political situation right now that feels very crazy, that young people are basically being brainwashed.
Like, he's obviously not the only one.
And we're going to get to some of the people excusing this violence.
But we just have no idea how many people have now been so brainbroken that they would be willing to kill about a conflict happening halfway across the world, of which likely they know very little or probably the reverse of the truth.
dr drew pinsky
So we are going to have to navigate this difficult course between free speech and our categorical desire for free speech and speech that is harmful and dangerous.
It's hard.
That is a hard navigation.
I'm sort of a free speech literalist.
I think that absolute free speech is necessary.
But when that free speech leads to That's no longer about the free speech.
That is about inciting riot.
That's about inciting violence.
david drew pinsky
That's something different.
dr drew pinsky
And there is such a thing as treason.
david drew pinsky
And you can express, because you have free speech, we can see the treason in the light of day.
dr drew pinsky
That's why I think free speech needs to be protected in absolute cases.
david drew pinsky
And you can take, it is okay to take action.
For speech that results in horror.
dave rubin
Right.
So that's the important distinction that I've been trying to make with people.
Of course, you and I, we've been on the front of the free speech thing forever.
What you cannot do as it pertains to free speech is gin up a group of people and say, go kill them.
So when they say things like globalize the intifada, they're purposely trying to have it both ways.
it's, oh, it's just an amorphous phrase and whatever.
But if you ask people, And by the way, it's not just in Israel.
It's in London and it's in France and elsewhere.
If you ask them what intifada means, so they're trying to use our freedoms against us.
And that's the part where those of us that are thoughtful and really trying to solve some of the problems are going to have to think about this.
We're not trying to silence people.
But if you're telling a whole group of people, globalize the intifada, wink, wink.
Then these things happened.
This was an incredible, and this proves your point right here.
Check out this headline yesterday from the New York Times about what happened.
This is the New York Times, and then I'm going to read an old tweet by a legendary comedian who unfortunately is no longer with us, Norm MacDonald.
This is the New York Times yesterday.
Pro-Palestinian movement faces an uncertain path after embassy attack.
The slaying of two Israeli embassy workers cast a harsh spotlight on pro-Palestinian groups in the United States.
Activists who were already being scrutinized could face further pushback.
Oh no, an activist who killed somebody and a group of people calling to globalize the indifada.
And listen to this classic Norm Macdonald line from 2016.
What terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans, imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims.
I mean, it's the perfect, it's the perfect blend of these two ideas, really.
Like, how about...
dr drew pinsky
Yeah, for some reason what's ringing in my head is when we had that horrible shooting here in San Bernardino.
And the then Attorney General under the Obama, the last closing hours of the Obama administration, got up to address this.
And she goes, first and foremost, I don't want to hear one thing about extremism or about what motivated this.
You remember that?
unidentified
Yep.
dr drew pinsky
That was a breathtaking moment.
And you can't have a society that only focuses on the way I don't know.
I'm not an expert in this area.
I don't know how we navigate out of this.
david drew pinsky
But I do feel like media is duplicitous.
dr drew pinsky
One of the reasons that Elon Musk left Washington, he was sort of asked by a reporter or somebody he was interviewing with a couple of days ago.
david drew pinsky
He said, what did you learn in Washington?
dr drew pinsky
He goes, I learned how effective media propaganda is.
And the guy's like, oh, come on.
Like what?
david drew pinsky
He goes, like I'm a Nazi.
dr drew pinsky
Like I'm a Nazi.
People think I'm a Nazi because of a random hand gesture.
That was propaganda and was effective.
david drew pinsky
And that is disgusting.
And that we have to solve that problem.
dr drew pinsky
Because we give them the public airways.
And they have to manage them responsibly in such a way that the rest of us are not harmed by what they do.
dave rubin
And by the way, we know damn well that if a Jewish person, or certainly an Israeli, had shot two pro-Palestinian activists outside of an embassy or a museum in D.C., the headline in the New York Times would say, Israel now has to grip with an ever-escalating violence that they have started or something to that effect.
And just to be completely clear, if that had happened, I would absolutely condemn those people, of course, as I know you would, of course, Drew, too.
And it only falls But now check this out, because there's another layer of problems here.
It's not just the people that are committing these horrible things and calling for it.
It's the layer of people that are softly, subtly injecting it into our society.
This tweet is rather extraordinary.
This is a tweet from University of Pennsylvania's Palestinian Literature Festival organizer.
Her name is Susan Abdelawa.
And this is unbelievable.
Listen to this.
Natural logic.
When governments fail to hold Israel accountable for an actual Holocaust being committed before our very eyes, no genocidal Zionist should be safe anywhere in the world.
What Mr. Rodriguez did should come as no surprise.
In fact, I'm surprised it has not happened sooner.
Human beings with a conscience literally cannot bear to witness such evil every day out being inflicted upon the bodies, minds and futures of an utterly defenseless people by such a hateful, racist colonial state.
Okay, so I'm gonna ignore the calls for the genocide, the Holocaust stuff.
It's all bullshit.
They're defending themselves.
Release the fucking hostages.
You actual genocidal maniacs.
Let's put that aside for a second.
But she basically said, go out there and kill.
It's not that she's saying go out there and kill Jews.
That's the obvious part.
She's saying go out there and kill hundreds of millions of Christians that are Zionists.
It just means that you believe that the Jews should have a tiny little state in the Middle East.
There's a lot of Christian nations.
But she's saying kill people.
This is someone at UPenn.
Again, what do we do?
Defenders of free speech.
What should be done?
She's saying go kill these people.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah, I think the market needs to handle a lot of this.
And I think that's what the current administration is trying to do, is to withdraw artificial financial support from these institutions that breathe rarefied air and aren't under the influence of gravity.
They live in a world that's not real, where they can say anything, do anything, and they still make their money and they still have their freedoms to do whatever they want, say whatever they want.
And there needs to be consequence for that.
And that consequence easily should be market forces.
And they can be brought to bear rather easily, and these people will not be maintained in their job.
That's the way it goes.
There will be consequences for this.
And look, most people, I think most people are sort of, you know, the way mass formation works, 20% of people get radicalized, 10% like you and me go stop it, and then 70% don't care.
They want to be protected alone.
And we need to protect the vast majority of people in this country and not subject them to the radicals on any side.
dave rubin
Right.
And it's just the use of language and the duplicitousness, you know, genocidal Zionists.
So if you said to this woman, okay, well, what if someone's just a Zionist, but they're not genocidal?
She would say that doesn't exist.
So the implication is, okay, well, Jerry Seinfeld believes that the state of Israel should exist.
So should you go kill him?
Dr. Drew Pinsky, Dave Rubin, I mean, plenty of Donald Trump.
Should we kill Donald Trump?
Like, I mean, it's just unbelievably absurd.
david drew pinsky
Dave, that's what, when you call somebody Hitler enough times, then somebody's going to try to kill him because you'd do anything to stop Hitler.
dr drew pinsky
That's the one thing that Jake Tapper said recently at that thought was, oh, he is coming around, where he said, he goes, well, the entire Democratic Party, not me, of course, the entire Democratic Party decided that Trump is Hitler, then you can justify anything.
david drew pinsky
This is the same nasty logic that you're talking about here, where if this is what she is saying it is, you're entitled to do anything.
We have to undo that delusional thinking.
That is delusionality.
dr drew pinsky
We need to be back in reality here.
dave rubin
You know, Drew, you know my whole freaking political evolution.
Everyone knows the story.
But I remember being back on The Young Turks around 2014, 2015, and debating with them because they believed, many of the hosts, believed that political violence was okay, that you have to move things forward through violence.
And once you say, okay, so you can shoot an embassy worker, well, someone might want to shoot you for your beliefs.
Once you open that Pandora's box, all bets are off.
I want to show you one more clip on this.
And it gets, again, it gets to the point of the ridiculous way the media covers for this, that we should be concerned not about the victims, but about the people who are in cahoots with the murderer.
This is CNN.
I don't even know this host's name.
She does not deserve this job.
Take a look.
unidentified
As you go forward with what you have seen, Because you said you looked the shooter in the eyes.
Can you give us any sense of what you saw in him as he was sort of getting help and people were tending to him as if he, too, was a victim of seeing this?
Yeah, to be clear, I heard about that part because we were in a secure room when he initially walked in.
dave rubin
I just saw him screaming and then being handcuffed.
But what I saw in his eyes, I mean...
Nothing different between him and them.
unidentified
But they did not create this horrific shooting.
They did not, you know, sort of.
Um.
Mm.
dave rubin
They gave the permission.
And they have called for this.
unidentified
They have called for Intifada revolution, which is the same thing he yelled last night.
dave rubin
She almost had it right at the beginning, but they didn't create this except they did.
And Drew, I want to ask you a question about the eyes thing because I've been to a lot of college events over the years and I know what that look is.
I actually know what it is.
I have been to many events where I've had things thrown at me and fire alarms pulled and police escorts and all of those things.
And there genuinely is a look in their eye like if they could kill you, they would.
And now we have an example of it.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
So there's two things I would expect to see.
Could you see sort of the white above their iris?
Like they're kind of like that?
dave rubin
Yes.
Yes.
I mean, I know this sounds cliche.
It is almost demonic.
They don't look like they're there.
It looks like they're possessed.
dr drew pinsky
Either mania, which a lot of these situations are hypomanic or mania, but narcissistic rage.
Full-out narcissistic rage.
That's what it is.
It's been triggered.
It has been cultivated.
And again, the media is the one place we can go to turn the heat down and not allow these people to keep dismissing it.
And I would argue that to the extent that we have representatives, people in the government who are co-signing this in any way, treason is a real thing.
david drew pinsky
We haven't talked enough about treason these days.
dr drew pinsky
And I would argue that it needs to be It's sort of brought back into the consciousness of people who are making the deliberative choices in this country.
dave rubin
Drew, did you see the clip?
We don't have it for today, but we had it for yesterday.
It's a 10-second clip of Ilhan Omar walking outside the Capitol, being asked if she has a commentary on the shooting, and she refuses.
All she had to do was, you can't shoot people.
That's it.
Oh, we do have it.
Here we go.
Give us one second.
unidentified
Can I get your reaction to the shooting that happened in D.C. last night?
I'm going to go for now.
I'm going to go for now, Mark.
Couldn't even say condolences for the family.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
dave rubin
Treason?
dr drew pinsky
It's not treason, but I'd certainly scrutinize that person.
Like, what's going on here?
What else might she be supporting?
And could she be involved in something?
I mean, we should be looking at people very carefully who are manifesting points of view that could have their foundation in treason.
The word treason has sort of been...
It's like we don't look at it anymore as that.
david drew pinsky
It's a real thing.
dr drew pinsky
And people that work to undermine this country, by the way, I mean, it was treason to do anything to prevent President Trump, which was the will of the people, to get into office.
david drew pinsky
That's treason.
And we should call it out for what it is.
dave rubin
Indeed we should.
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All right, one more story for you.
This is connected to the mass brainwashing or you mentioned mass formation psychosis that I think it was Dr. Robert Malone on Rogan that really got that phrase to kind of popularize.
But listen to this from Charlie Kirk.
unidentified
Wow.
dave rubin
Listen to this from Charlie Kirk.
Wow, this DHS letter from Kirstie Noem to Harvard is pretty extraordinary.
Not only does it prohibit Harvard from enrolling foreign students moving forward, any currently enrolled foreigners will have to transfer to other universities to maintain their status.
The decertification, this decertification also means that existing aliens on F or J non-immigrant status must transfer to another university in order to maintain their non-immigrant status.
Noem's letter claims that Harvard has refused.
To comply with multiple DHS requests for information about its foreign student populations, harassment of Jewish students, as well as its DEI initiatives.
They have 72 hours to comply or the prohibition will remain.
this would basically be a death penalty for Harvard as a top global academic institution.
Drew, broadly on this, before we get to the specifics, I don't know, locking Hispanic janitors in the building, which is what they did at Columbia, that they would be kicked out immediately.
So I have literally zero problem with any of this.
dr drew pinsky
That's exactly what I was talking about a few minutes ago, which is that these institutions that live in a world of zero gravity need to join the rest of us in the marketplace.
And these will help market forces come to bear.
Bill Ackman, I just noticed while we were on, put a thread up about Harvard's financial situation, and it sounds rather grim, so they will quickly have to come to terms with this.
And they should.
They should be forced to join the rest of us and not be at their liberty to exist in a world that...
They need to be in the world with the rest of us.
You know, I was just thinking before we addressed this topic was this notion of treason.
I guess we're treasonous as domestic terrorists, right?
So treason could get spread around.
dave rubin
Treason ain't what it used to be.
Our treason is telling people, make some choices for yourself.
dr drew pinsky
It's crazy, but it really does bring into focus how important it is that we understand.
I understand what happened in the White House during the Biden administration, because if we're going to start looking at things like treason, if we're going to start looking at things like consequences of free speech, we've got to be sure that people making these decisions are not holding their finger on the scale in some sort of egregious way as they did in the Biden administration.
dave rubin
Drew, as always, you are the best.
And I should note, I mention it every now and again, but the first television show that I ever did was Dr. Drew on HLN back in, first network television, probably back in, could be 2013.
Were you still on HLN at that time?
david drew pinsky
Yeah, it's so funny.
dr drew pinsky
I'd forgotten about that.
david drew pinsky
But a lot of, we invented a lot of people.
dr drew pinsky
Katie McEnany, Tommy Lehrman.
david drew pinsky
These were all people we were putting on the air because we thought they were interesting.
dr drew pinsky
Ben Shapiro, he came on with a transgender woman.
dave rubin
Oh, right, and she choked him, or he choked him.
david drew pinsky
I don't know who Ben Shapiro was, and she still accused me of setting her up and being a bad person.
dr drew pinsky
I didn't know what was going to happen.
dave rubin
You know what?
Next week I'm going to play that clip, because there's this incredible clip.
Maybe we can find it real quick.
Can we find it real quick?
We're going to drag this out for a moment, Drew.
But basically you have, it was a man who had transitioned to woman?
david drew pinsky
We were trying to be sort of evaluative and sympathetic to the transgender experience.
We were trying to understand it.
dr drew pinsky
And Zoe was somebody who contributed regularly for us.
She was originally Bob Tourer, the helicopter pilot of both the Bronco chase and the...
And the Reginald Denny beating during the riots.
He was the helicopter pilot then who then transitioned to Zoe.
david drew pinsky
And we valued her.
dr drew pinsky
We appreciated her.
david drew pinsky
And this was a large panel.
dr drew pinsky
There was about four or five people on the panel.
david drew pinsky
This guy named Ben Shapiro was in the panel.
And he was obnoxious to Zoe.
I don't know if you have the footage.
dave rubin
We're trying to grab it right now.
But it's a rather extraordinary moment because it was also very early on in all of this.
And then he, in essence, grabs Ben while Ben's talking, regardless of whether Ben was being rude or not.
It was early on.
So we'll get to that in one second.
But in any event, yeah, you were the first guy that ever put me on television.
And what I always tell you that I always found so funny is we all exist in these little digital boxes right now.
But on your show back then, you'd all show up to the studio in L.A. and you'd be in the same room.
And then they'd say, OK, we're going to do the show.
And then you'd go into different rooms and they'd put you in the boxes, which was.
david drew pinsky
We invented that.
We discovered.
No, no, we discovered and CNN followed us because my producer at the time, Bert Dubrow, who also, by the way, invented Sally Jesse.
But we realized that there's something very powerful about people having a conversation looking out towards the audience.
That's a very powerful position.
And so whenever people doing podcasts go, oh, we need you in the studio, I go, you don't.
You can do it by Zoom.
dr drew pinsky
You can get more interesting people and it'll be a more powerful interview.
david drew pinsky
People don't have faith in that.
dave rubin
All of this is your fault.
We used to look at each other, shake each other's hands.
It's all Dr. Drew's fault.
They're in the process of downloading the clip.
Drew, what are you doing this weekend while we string out here for another minute?
dr drew pinsky
Going to see my granddaughter in Irvine, California, and that'll be fun.
And I want to tell you, I want to really quickly for me, the wellness company is something I'm very involved with.
I'm actually the chief patient officer there, and I had to miss their medical board meeting this morning to do the great Dave Rubin show, which I'm delighted to do.
And just the idea that I contributed to Dave Rubin.
david drew pinsky
And I'm very serious.
dr drew pinsky
We need to come up with a verb.
For the transition, the awakening.
Rubenized or something?
dave rubin
Rubenized.
Rubenized.
That's what they used to say about me in college.
All right, we have the video.
Here we go.
unidentified
You cut that out now, or you'll go home in an ambulance.
That seems mildly inappropriate for a political discussion.
dave rubin
And said if...
So basically...
Okay, so that was...
Sorry, that was a short version of it.
But he was basically...
dr drew pinsky
Ben was going, sir, sir, sir.
He kept interrupting her that way, and she goes, you stop that.
And Ben went to the Hollywood PD, which was right down the street, and filed an assault charge, which I thought was a little bit excessive.
dave rubin
We were all kids.
Look what we've lived through.
Look what we've lived through.
Drew, it's been a pleasure, as always.
A man who does not need blue chew nor wrinkle cream.
You are welcome back on the show anytime.
Good to see you, my man.
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