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unidentified
The other thing that's important is that when you talk about guidelines from the CDC, which are not...
...the other thing that you can do is to make sure that you're not able to do it.
dave rubin
All right, guys, I'm Dave Rubin.
This is The Rubin Report, and it is Friday.
However, we are not giving you a Friday roundtable extravaganza.
I'm one-upping myself.
I'm giving you the black face of white supremacy himself, the host of The Larry Elder Show, and the new star of the documentary out right now, Electric Vehicles, the Good, Bad, and the Ugly, my old friend,
Larry Elder.
Larry, how are you?
larry elder
The blackface of white supremacy in the House.
Thank you so much for inviting me to co-host this show with you.
I'm really looking forward to it.
Did that sound sincere at all?
dave rubin
You're still pissed that I left you in Cali.
You're still pissed.
We tried to save the place.
You campaigned for governor.
I was out there with you.
We fought.
We lost.
I got the hell out of Dodge.
And you're holding it against me still.
larry elder
Well, you know, when the campaign for governor was over, Nina and I, you know Nina, my girlfriend, we went to Key West in Florida.
I'd never been to Key West.
I consider myself to be a writer more than anything else.
I wanted to see where Hemingway wrote all of his stuff.
The size of the bugs you guys have in Florida.
dave rubin
Don't know.
Larry, listen.
larry elder
And they speak Spanish.
They're bilingual.
I mean, those are the most incredible bugs I've ever seen.
And they sit on your skin and they suck blood.
That's the only downside I can think of.
dave rubin
Yeah, you have zombie-like meth freaks who do that.
I would prefer the Spanish-speaking bugs you see.
larry elder
That's an interesting point.
I never looked at it that way.
dave rubin
All right, we're going to recap a lot of the nonsense of the week.
But real quick before we do that, tell me about this documentary because I'm a Tesla guy.
I've got two Teslas.
That does not mean I am a Nazi.
It's just a guy that enjoys a cool car.
But how do you get involved in this?
What do we need to know?
larry elder
I think you're called a recovering Nazi.
Well, the reason I got involved in it, you're an ex-Californian, is because Gavin Newsom issued an edict that by the year 2035, no more sale of new gas-powered cars in California.
Premise is, of course, that EVs are better for the planet than gasoline-powered cars.
So I spent a year exploring whether or not that is true.
I didn't really have an idea one way or the other.
My gut told me they were probably better for the planet than gas-powered cars, but I'd never driven one before, so I thought I would just start from scratch.
Interviewed a bunch of physicists, engineers, climate people, miners, because the minerals that go into the battery have to be mine.
Car shows, car freaks, car enthusiasts.
There's a guy named Leon Kaplan.
I know you know him.
He's at a show for about 40 years.
He's a motor man.
And his opinion.
And we just explored all of that.
And my conclusion is that there are a lot of things that a lot of people are not considering.
The most important one, frankly, is this.
The stuff that goes into the batteries, the lithium, the cobalt, the nickel, has to be mined, produced, and manufactured somewhere, and most of it is either done in China or places controlled by China, like the Congo and Africa.
And kids, using their bare hands, are sticking their hands in the ground to mine this cobalt, which is toxic.
They make about a dollar or two dollars a day.
So people knew that children were being exploited.
And the conditions under which they were working, that alone would probably cause them to rethink buying a Tesla or buying an EV.
dave rubin
We will leave that there.
I'm not returning my Tesla.
We will continue the discussion.
about that, and people absolutely should check out the doc, and we will put the link to it down below.
But let's dive in.
You already mentioned my favorite human being on Earth, the evil lizard man himself, Gavin Newsom.
So let's start in California.
This is from The Hill.
California Governor Gavin Newsom is accusing the Democrat Party of not yet performing a thorough autopsy on what went wrong in its devastating loss of the White House and Senate majority in November.
In an exclusive sit-down interview, With The Hill on Monday, Newsom said that if the party wants to find its way back from the wilderness, it has to be willing to look inward to what led to the losses and the failure to win back the House majority.
Later in the interview, Newsom said he wasn't sure what the Democrat Party truly represents, who is leading it or where it wants to go.
I don't know what the party is, he said.
I am still struggling with that.
Larry!
larry elder
You know...
Dave, I'm not comparing him to Adolf Hitler.
I repeat, I'm not comparing him to Adolf Hitler.
Adolf Hitler said, you know what?
We ought to figure out what's wrong with fascism.
We ought to rethink fascism.
This is the poster boy of why the Democrats lost.
Remember that interview he did with Charlie Kirk where he said, you know, it's unfair for men to compete against women.
He had...
I don't know how many opportunities he had to oppose laws here in California, one of which was introduced by the Republicans because, as you know, the Democrats have supermajorities in the state assembly and the supermajority in the state senate.
The bill didn't even get out of committee and it would have banned men from competing against women.
All he had to do was just say, I support the bill.
He was asked whether or not he supported it and he goes, well, you know...
Right now, I have a lot of things on my plate.
We have to talk about the fires.
We have to talk about cost of living.
Right now, I guess...
Worthy of Joe Biden, worthy of Kamala Harris' word salad, he wouldn't say whether or not he supported that bill.
And then, of course, you got him saying he's never used the term Latinx.
And somebody put together a montage.
I think you guys did.
dave rubin
Yeah.
larry elder
Where he said Latinx.
No one's ever used that.
Never used it in my office.
We don't use that term.
He's used it over and over again and essentially accused people of being sexist for not using, or racist, rather, for not using the term Latinx.
This guy is slicker than, he's the slickest liar I've ever seen.
dave rubin
Larry, next time you come visit me in Miami, I'm going to take you down to Calle 8, and we'll walk in and say, Buenos Dios, amigos!
Latinx amigos!
Yeah, it doesn't work that way.
I'm not sure what accent that was.
Can you just, real quick on Gav, we'll have a little more about California in a moment, but in the three years since I have left, and since you ran for governor and the whole thing, Has there been any wake-up?
Like, I get it, he's trying to moderate in some sense, and he's trying to talk to Charlie Kirk and some of these other guys.
But has there been any change whatsoever that you can see?
larry elder
The answer is yes.
First of all, the governor of Oakland was recalled.
I'm sorry, the mayor of Oakland was recalled.
The mayor of San Francisco lost her re-election.
Proposition 38 passed, which essentially gutted Proposition 47. There was another proposition that would have reinstated race-based preferences.
Californians voted against that in the 90s, and it lost.
There was a ballot initiative recently to increase the minimum wage to $20 an hour for everybody other than fast food workers whose minimum wage has already been increased at $20 an hour, effective last April 1st.
I told Gavin Newsom, if you sign this, you're going to have wholesale layoffs and firings among fast food workers.
He did it anyway.
16,000 fast food workers since that bill has been enacted have lost their jobs.
And so voters in California saw that and voted against doing the same thing for non-fast food workers.
The new owner of the Los Angeles Times essentially sacked Or changed his editorial page.
And now you know the guy on CNN named Scott Johnson, who does yeoman work, often five against one on CNN every night?
dave rubin
Oh, Scott Jennings.
Scott Jennings.
larry elder
He is now a member of the LA Times editorial board, I kid you not.
So some things are in fact changing here in California.
dave rubin
All right.
Well, as I always say to you, good luck with all of that.
Let's jump to another crazy place.
I'm talking about Minnesota, and they've got this guy, Tim Walls.
And if the Democrats are good at one thing, it's taking the wrong side of every obvious issue.
Here you go.
unidentified
Now, in this land of the free and home of the brave, we have university students being swept up, shoved into unmarked vans, and fathers being tossed into Salvadorian gulags without a hint of due process.
So I want to be real clear about this.
If you say you love freedom, but you don't believe freedom is for everybody, then the thing you love isn't freedom.
It's privilege.
dave rubin
It's privilege.
I mean, it's just such meaningless drivel.
what he of course doesn't say is that the university students are not legal American citizens.
Some of them are on student visas.
Some of them may be on green cards.
That's one thing.
And of course, what he's not telling you about the fathers from Maryland is that they're MS-13 gang members.
I mean, Larry, nothing surprises me anymore with the Democrats, but the fact they're going so all in on something that I just think the average apolitical person, they're just like, you
We've had it with the fentanyl on the streets.
We've had it with the gangs and the crime.
And yet they're still going all in on this.
It's actually extraordinary.
larry elder
And for Walls to say there's no due process, the students, the whole thing is hung up right now in court because it's being litigated.
And Albrego Garcia did have due process.
A deportation judge in order said he couldn't be deported to El Salvador, which might have been a mistake, but he could be deported elsewhere.
So it's just not true.
He was busted, Albrego Garcia, in Tennessee.
I think it was 2022.
Driving erratically an SUV.
A cop pulls him over.
He's got seven or eight people in the car.
He says, I was taking them from Maryland to Texas for a job.
They had no luggage in the car.
It seemed a little suspicious.
They contacted the feds.
The feds contacted the FBI in D.C. And the FBI in D.C. said, let them go.
So all of them were let go.
Then we found out that the owner of the van...
He was an illegal alien who was convicted of human smuggling and was deported.
And so Albrego Garcia, when he was busted, said, I don't own the van.
This is my boss's van.
Gave the name of the guy, and the guy was the one that I mentioned, had been busted and deported for human trafficking.
So clearly, Albrego Garcia was engaged in human trafficking.
For whatever reason, we still don't know the reason, the Biden FBI said cut him loose, and the Tennessee Highway Patrol did, in fact, cut him loose.
dave rubin
There are also court documents that show that his wife repeatedly said she was being beaten by him and hit her with a boot and she had marks, which now she sort of has retracted or something, which seems very weird.
Let me just ask you, Larry, philosophically, there seems to be a little debate right now, putting aside the legal part of it, which you already addressed.
But philosophically, how do you feel about someone that's here on a green card, let's say, or someone that's on a student visa?
What do you think actually their right-to-do process should be?
If they are not a legal citizen.
I'm talking about philosophically, not purely legally.
larry elder
Yeah.
Citizens, of course, deserve 100% due process.
Illegal aliens at the border, when they're caught at the border, deserve zero due process.
Something in the middle, some sort of hearing relatively quickly is what they should get.
I played yesterday on my radio show a montage of Democrats like Bill Clinton.
Harry Reid, like Chuck Schumer, like Dianne Feinstein, all talking about the problem with illegal aliens.
They even used the term illegal alien back then.
And I think it was Schumer who said they should be subject to, quote, imminent deportation, close quote.
Not one word, or I guess two words, of due process in that whole five, seven-minute montage.
Now, all of a sudden, it's about due process.
These guys embrace Luigi Mangione.
They've embraced George Floyd.
They've embraced Obringo Garcia.
The only difference is, as far as I know, Abreu Garcia has never been accused of killing anybody.
But these are their heroes.
dave rubin
How about instead of due process?
We came up with the word yesterday on the show, deportation.
What do you think?
What do you think?
larry elder
That's fine with me.
You know, they deserve some sort of hearing, but that's about it.
And then you're done and you're out of here.
dave rubin
This is the privilege.
larry elder
You're here on a student visa.
You're here on, you know...
You've requested to be here because you want to be on vacation or whatever it is, and you should be abiding by our laws.
If you don't do it, you're out of here.
dave rubin
I think the other version of that, if an American student was at some other university in another country screaming about how evil that country is and not allowing their students of that university to come to camp, all of those things, like everyone knows they would be kicked out immediately,
obviously, etc.
larry elder
Especially a country in the Middle East, especially Gaza.
dave rubin
Well, I don't know if you'd be deported.
You'd be deheaded, perhaps.
Larry, I thought you'd dig this one.
Check out this new commercial from the National Republican Senatorial Committee.
unidentified
Welcome to El Salvador, home to breathtaking sunsets, world-class surf breaks, and gangbanger Kilmer Abrego Garcia.
El Salvador is the destination for Democrats seeking the thrill of bringing violent criminal illegal aliens back to America.
Come witness Trump derangement syndrome in its purest form, from Chris Van Hollen to Cory Booker.
You may even see John Ossoff.
So what are you waiting for, Senate Democrats?
dave rubin
Larry, to me, this is just, it's perfect, right?
Because it's just an 80-20 issue.
People just have had enough of this, and they voted Trump in to fix it, and that's what he's doing.
larry elder
I saw a montage of Marylanders.
Fox News played it.
Unfortunately, all of them were black, and they wanted the guy out.
They wanted him gone.
They were ticked off.
He was still there.
Did you notice the way Albrego Garcia was dressed?
He looked like Ward Cleaver.
I mean, like he'd just come off from the green on the 18th hole, sipping a couple of margaritas with Chris Van Hollen.
And they claimed that the El Salvadoran authorities put the margaritas there, but they really weren't drinking them.
So Trump tentacles somehow infiltrated the El Salvadoran and they set him up.
dave rubin
The guy who has become the center of this thing outside of Abrego Garcia himself, of course, is Senator from Maryland, Chris Van Hollen, who's just all in on this, just all in on it, did not seem to care when a 37-year-old mother was killed by an illegal and left five children without a mother in his state,
but all about this guy.
Here he is begrudgingly admitting that, yes, the taxpayer dollars did pay to send him to El Salvador.
Who did pay for this trip?
robert f kennedy-jr
This was an officially cleared...
dave rubin
You know, congressional trip.
So taxpayer dollars.
robert f kennedy-jr
Yes, like every other...
dave rubin
Body language, man.
His head's going every which way because the tax...
I mean, would you want your tax dollars?
I'm sure some of your guys from Cali are going to head down there.
I don't think we're going to send any...
Well, we did send a guy from Orlando, but I barely consider that part of Florida at this point.
But it's just crazy.
Yes, our tax dollars to save the guy who's going back to the country that he's actually a citizen of.
larry elder
Who picked up the tab for the margaritas?
And get this, you have all these courts, all these judges stopping Donald Trump from reversing the last four years of open borders.
And where were these courts during those four years?
dave rubin
Right, exactly.
larry elder
They were filed by state attorneys general, and routinely the courts did not stop Joe Biden from keeping the border open.
But now all of a sudden they're stopping Donald Trump from closing the border and from getting rid of the people that were allowed in illegally by design for the last four years.
Where were the courts when we needed them?
dave rubin
Not only that, you could argue that the courts were beyond not just where they were, where were they when they were needed, but in Texas when they tried to actually start doing something about the border, the courts overrode the governor.
So it's endless.
It's endless.
Here's Ayanna Pressley, another one of these wizards, and they just always take the wrong side of the issue.
unidentified
I'm just here to conduct oversight, to see it for myself in real time, exactly what the hell is going on here, and exactly why Romesa Osterk and Mahmoud Khalil and others are here.
And just know that this is an issue of consequence for everyone, because their constitutional rights were violated, due process was violated.
And there are already some 300 people that we're aware of who have had their student visas revoked.
dave rubin
Larry, again, we've hit the due process issue already.
Constitutional rights, well, constitutional rights actually are for citizens of the United States.
That's not to say someone on a green card doesn't have some of the due process stuff that we discussed before.
But again, there is an American citizen from New Jersey who is somewhere underneath Gaza right now.
They haven't gone there.
But they seem to deeply care about people who will stop Jewish students from getting to class at Columbia, Harvard, etc.
larry elder
In fact, when was the last time anybody on the left said anything at all about the hostages that are being held in Gaza, including the Americans?
And they don't seem to be concerned at all, as you mentioned, about the rights of the Jewish students, some of whom are prevented from going to class, going to the library because of these...
Because of these activists.
Can you imagine if this were at a historically black college and a bunch of white people there were down there yelling and screaming and stopping black kids from going to school, going to the library?
They'd be marching on Washington.
But with Jews, who cares?
dave rubin
Yeah.
Do you think that these deportations will just continue, that Trump's just going to keep rolling through this and things will get hung up in the courts, obviously, but he's just not going to stop?
larry elder
Well, you know Trump.
You know Tom Homan.
I've talked to him.
You've talked to him.
These guys are all in.
They really are angry at what happened in the last four years.
They're angry at the number of people that have been criminalized by illegal aliens, killed by illegal aliens, angel moms.
They're going to keep going, and they should keep going.
There's no reason.
Joe Biden did this by design.
He allowed in a minimum of 12 million.
It might have been as high as 15 million, some of whom were on the terror watch list, some of whom have been convicted of homicide in their home countries and homicide since they've been here.
It is absolutely outrageous.
It was done by design, presumably to change the electorate in the country, to change the Census Bureau, and hopefully to put pressure on Republicans down the road for amnesty.
That's why they did it.
And frankly, it's succeeding.
When you look at the rate at which people are being kicked out of the country, it's going to take decades to get rid of all of it.
And that assumes you still have Republicans in charge.
dave rubin
So the argument there that I think a lot Homan's been making in other people is basically, okay, so if we have court cases for...
Every single one of these 12 to 15 plus million people, the whole point is that they'll just run out the clock and then maybe they'll be a Democrat president and then everyone will stay forever.
But I want to introduce the audience.
I like, you know, we show the same videos of the same crazy Democrats all the time, but here we're introducing a new crazy Democrat.
She is a congresswoman from Michigan.
Her name is Haley Stevens.
And she is running for Senate.
So this will be another star that they can send to El Salvador.
And if you want to know how crazy these people are, well, here's a video of her in 2020 talking about COVID.
unidentified
You will see darkness.
You will be pushed.
And our society needs you to stand together at this time.
Our country loves you.
you.
dave rubin
That's what we need more of, right, Larry?
That's the Democrat Party energy that we need more of these days.
larry elder
Was that a Michael Jackson thing?
Why'd you have one glove?
One pink glove, the other hand?
dave rubin
What do you mean why'd you have one glove?
It was COVID.
We all were wearing one.
larry elder
But COVID doesn't get your left hand, just your right hand?
What's that all about?
dave rubin
It's just, again, though, it's just, there's just like an endless clown car in these people.
It's never going to stop, right?
larry elder
Well, you have the mayor of Oakland now demanding a $50 minimum wage.
I mentioned earlier, they jacked up the minimum wage for fast food workers to $20.
$16,500 lost their jobs.
Now she wants $50 minimum wage.
How many people are going to lose their jobs after that?
dave rubin
They closed In-N-Out.
The one thing that I miss from California, the only time an In-N-Out has ever closed was in Oakland because it was so out of control with crime.
If only they had artificially boosted the prices of the employees.
Like, it's just...
It's so dumb.
All right.
You could get wrinkles just listening to this.
larry elder
In-N-Out used to be headquartered here.
They're not headquartered here anymore.
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So, Larry, I want to just jump over.
We'll do a serious one here first, because, you know, it's easy to be glib about some of these things, of course, because the Democrats are so ridiculous.
But when you see what actually is happening in this country, it's rather extraordinary.
This is from the Daily Mail.
A twice-deported criminal jailed for a decade for killing two teenagers in a drunken car crash will be released almost seven years early.
Oscar Eduardo Ortega-Anguiano was drunk, high, and speeding at 100 miles per hour when he hit another car on the I-405 in Seal Beach, California on November 19, 2021.
Teen sweethearts Anya Farvomea and Nicole Osokin, both 19, were killed when their car burst into flames after Ortega-Anguiano plowed into them.
Ortega Anguiano, 43, was sentenced to two 10-year jail terms to be served concurrently for gross vehicular manslaughter while intoxicated.
But their parents were horrified to discover in February that he will be released on parole on July 19th.
Larry, before I have you chime in, here's a video of the parents of the deceased boy talking about the car crash.
unidentified
The pain written all over the face of Pavel Osokin, as he recalls being told his son Nikolai and his 19-year-old girlfriend Anya Varfalomiev, friends since they were kids, were gone.
They told me there was a horrible incident.
My son and his girlfriend Anya basically were burned alive in their car.
She was my daughter.
Anya's father, Anatoly, got a similar knock on the door that night.
He said, I just named him.
I said, yes, it's my daughter.
My wife came downstairs and she was screaming and crying.
She said, no, no, no, no.
dave rubin
Larry, I mean, it's really hard to watch these things.
I mentioned, you know, the mother, the 37-year-old mother who was killed by an MS-13 gang member in Maryland that nobody talked to.
Finally, Donald Trump did bring the mother of the deceased woman, the murdered woman, to the White House.
The senators from Maryland don't seem to care about her.
We should know these people's names.
I guess that's the point of me showing you this.
Why don't we talk about these people?
We're only concerned about the people that are committing the crimes are here illegally, and we seem to all know their names.
larry elder
Well, for the obvious reason that it would add fuel to the idea that Joe Biden has made this country far less safe by opening the borders for the last four years and doing nothing about these illegal aliens.
The good news is that Tom Homan said, The moment they set foot outside of prison, they're going to be deported.
The other thing is that Gavin Newsom has even said something about this.
Gavin Newsom wants to run for president.
He doesn't want to be perceived as a California crazy, assault on crime, allowing somebody who drove 100 miles an hour and wasted two Americans and served three years.
He doesn't want to be responsible for people blaming him for that.
So I think that somehow, someway, Gavin Newsom is going to figure out a way of making sure they stay behind bars, but we'll see.
dave rubin
Well, whether Gavin does something or not, and of course, yes, for political expediency, you could see him doing it.
This administration is just not putting up with this nonsense.
And Caroline Levitt, I think, has just done an absolutely bang-up job as spokesperson.
unidentified
Take a look.
And our hearts just break for these families that are affected by these horrific crimes.
And now to think that that twice-deported, now-convicted criminal, someone who was...
Here illegally, was able to kill two teenagers and will walk free.
What does the White House say about that?
Caroline, welcome.
karoline leavitt
Well, first of all, listening to the heartache from those two parents is truly heartbreaking, and our hearts are with them.
unidentified
And not only are we praying for them, but this administration is taking action.
The Department of Homeland Security and ICE have already said that a detainer has been put on this individual if he is to be released, and he will immediately be transferred into ICE custody, we hope, if the state of California complies.
And if not, the Department of Justice will be seeking a conviction against this man.
He will spend time in federal prison for taking the lives of those two young Americans.
So these results speak for themselves.
President Trump is not going to tolerate illegal immigrant crime.
And this individual case represents everything that is wrong with our immigration system.
dave rubin
Larry, one of the things I've been saying a lot on the show lately is that it's just so refreshing to have competent people.
Whether you agree with all of the...
Policies of Trump or not, to just have people who can communicate these things properly, etc.
But they brought up the point that you just sort of referenced, which is that Newsom may try to do something here to run cover on how ridiculous this is, but either way, it sounds like Trump's going to send ICE to get this guy.
Like, he will not be wandering around America one way or another.
larry elder
Either way, we shouldn't be talking about somebody during three years when they've mowed down two people and they've given two 10-year consecutive sentences.
By the way, regarding the team, I haven't seen this much talent on one team since the 1927 Yankees.
That's how old I am.
dave rubin
I thought you were going to go Showtime Lakers, man.
Come on, you're an L.A. guy.
larry elder
And I met Caroline Levitt when I was briefly running for president, and she was running for Congress in New Hampshire.
And I went to one of her rallies and she was able to get me an interview on radio in New Hampshire.
I thought she was so incredibly talented.
And the people just embraced her, loved her.
She was quick.
She was funny.
She was articulate.
Donald Trump knows how to find talent.
And it's just amazing the people that he has in his administration.
You know, from Stephen Miller.
I've known Stephen Miller since he was 14 years old.
dave rubin
Oh, wow.
larry elder
He first came on my radio show when he was a high school student and he was angry about something that was going on.
I thought he was so bright for the next several years I had him on my show.
69 times.
The reason I know the number is because Stephen Miller counted the number.
And so over the years, he goes from Santa Monica High, he goes to Duke, where he graduates.
Then he starts working for Jeff Sessions as a low-level staffer, works his way up to the top.
Sessions loans him to Donald Trump, never got him back.
And the people he has around him are just absolutely amazing.
You've got Marco Rubio, extremely talented.
You've got Tammy Bruce now, part of the administration.
Leo Terrell is part of the administration.
It's amazing.
Pete Hexer.
It's stunning.
And they're all communicators.
I know Donald Trump understands how important it is for people to communicate his policies, and that's why virtually every single one of his staffers and cabinet members are extraordinarily good communicators.
dave rubin
Yeah, it's unbelievable.
It's like they're talented in the first place and qualified, and they can communicate.
That's the big thing I've been saying about Hegseth, because it's like, man, he knows how to deal with the BS as they throw it at him, on top of some of the other people you mentioned.
Tom Homan, who you brought up once or twice.
I keep saying about Tom Homan that Tom Homan will play Tom Homan in the movie about Tom Homan because he's just so freaking perfect for this gig.
Here he is on what Biden basically was trying to do with the border.
unidentified
The Biden administration overwhelmed the system.
5 million people came to the border.
They know it's going to take years to get through the court docket.
By then, they're hoping there's another Democratic administration in it.
They'll have U.S. citizen children.
Then all of a sudden, nobody wants them removed.
We're spoiling their plans to have future Democratic voters, and through a census, have control of the House.
tom homan
Through a census vote, Democratic sanctuary cities get more seats in the House.
unidentified
This is their plan.
That's why they overwhelmed the system.
That's why they didn't detain them.
When they detain them, they get a hearing in 35 days.
they released them, now it's gonna take five to seven years.
They're gonna keep playing this game through the immigration courts, through appeal after appeal after appeal, district judge, district judge, to slow us down because their hopes is they'll gain power again,
dave rubin
Larry, that was the point I was making earlier, and I just think he's absolutely right.
Like, that...
That actually is the plan.
Just get this to midterms, basically.
Get the Democrats to take over the House again, and then just slow roll lame duck Trump, and then all of the progress will be gone.
larry elder
You know, and when I met Tom Holman, I said, Tom, you are scary.
I mean, you are just scary.
In fact, I thought I was going to be deported.
I said, wait a minute.
I'm a citizen.
He said, no, you're good to go.
dave rubin
Wait, hold on.
Let me get this clear.
We're not just deporting random black people because that's what they're trying to convince you on The View.
larry elder
No.
And there hasn't been an American who was deported.
Although Donald Trump did say something about, we should get rid of our homegrown criminals, and the left went crazy because, oh my God, he's going to get rid of citizens.
And obviously, he's not going to do that.
There's not going to be any citizen deported, even if you're a criminal.
Where are they going to go?
How are you going to do that legally?
There isn't anybody on our side, any of the lawyers on our side, who says that's okay.
So he's not going to do that.
dave rubin
No.
If you are a citizen and you are doing some of these illegal things, you might end up in jail, but you're not going to end up in El Salvador.
larry elder
Or you can leave of your own volition.
No problem.
But no, no one's going to deport you when you're a citizen.
dave rubin
Speaking of leaving, do you kind of admire the fact that Rosie left?
Everyone says they're going to leave and nobody leaves.
She actually did leave.
I kind of give her credit for that.
larry elder
Well, breaking satire, I heard a rumor that she's unhappy and she may want to come back, and that the Trump administration hastily drafted a new executive order banning her from coming back.
So, just a rumor I've heard.
I read it, I saw it on the internet.
dave rubin
Oh, it was on the, well then, it has to be at least half true.
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So, Larry, I showed this headline from the New York Times yesterday.
I thought this was rather telling of where we're at with all of this from the New York Times.
What is dark woke?
Democrats are trying out a new attitude.
It's provocative, edgy, and perilously towing the line of not being too offensive.
There's probably a skin color joke we could make there.
But, Larry, they're going to start being meaner.
They're going to say the F-bomb every now and again.
I don't think it makes their ideas any better.
larry elder
It's the Jasmine Crockett effect on the party.
It's the Joy Reid effect on the party.
It's all of a sudden using slang, saying y 'all, and cursing, and just being in your face.
I guess that's the new attitude.
And it's interesting, as you know, I believe that America has never been less racist than right now.
We elected and re-elected Barack Obama.
They ran a woman of color for president.
And two people, black, ran for senator in Georgia, my dad's home state.
My dad was there.
Of course, it was Jim Crow.
So America has gone a long, long way, but you have young people like Jasmine Crockett, like Joy Reid, like Ayanna Pressley, like Sonny Hostin, who are so incredibly angry.
You have to wonder, what's going on?
Is it just opposed, or do you really believe that America is this racist?
We've had black CEOs of Fortune 500 companies, for crying out loud.
Black governors, black senators, black presidents, as I said before.
In 1966, I think it was, two years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, Martin Luther King was on British television.
And he said, you know, in about 40 years' time, given the progress of the last two years that has surprised me it's been so good, we could have a president elected almost by cue, do the math.
Barack Obama, 2008.
And the important thing is, Dave, he didn't say in 40 years' time we'll have a black CEO of Fortune 500 companies.
We had several.
He didn't say in 40 years we'll have a black head of the American Bar Association, and we have black head of the American Medical Association, and we have black president of Harvard University, and we have all these things.
He said president, meaning when that happens, we can stop the nonsense, and we can now believe that Americans are evaluating people based on content of character rather than color of skin.
It's as if Barack Obama...
Never got elected.
It's as if nothing's ever happened.
We're still Jim Crow America.
Donald Trump is a racist.
Donald Trump wants to round up black people and put them back into slavery, which is what Jasmine Crockett even implied.
dave rubin
Well, that was one of the things, you know, when you were running for governor and I was out there with you and fighting and going to events and all that stuff, it was like there were no racists there.
It didn't matter what color anyone's skin was.
Everyone had American flags.
Actually, the only racism that was involved in your campaign was coming from the left about you or the blackface of white supremacy.
And how you're a Trump stooge and a traitor.
It's so disgusting.
We've killed race except for the people who keep putting it back on life support.
Democratic pollster Douglas Schoen has officially coronated AOC as the future of the Dems.
unidentified
Clinton advisor and pollster Doug Schoen joins us right now.
robert f kennedy-jr
Hey, Doug, good morning.
unidentified
Morning.
We got a poll.
dave rubin
We're going to put it up.
unidentified
AOC is much more popular.
steve doocy
Then Chuck Schumer, why is it that the Democrats want somebody who's a little further left than the guy that you're all reliable?
unidentified
Well, because the party, my party, has moved so far to the left, both in reaction to Donald Trump's first term and now the second term, that there's anger.
There's a desire also for a new generation of leadership, which AOC reflects.
dave rubin
Larry, everybody watching this knows that we're not Democrats, so we're not hiding anything here.
But my position at this point is I kind of want them to go that way.
Go as radical as you can.
Purge as many decent people out.
And I, for one, will always sit on, let's say, the slightly more liberal side of a wide-tent Republican Party.
Is that what you see the future as at the moment, that there's just going to be a widening of MAGA and just a slimming down of a Democrat Party because it's just they're handing it to the crazies?
larry elder
Well, I think the crazies are On the ascension in the Democrat Party.
But remember, they kneecapped Bernie Sanders twice, right before the 2020 election.
He won the Nevada caucuses.
And for one brief shining moment, a self-described Democrat socialist was the frontrunner.
That's why James Clyburn embraced Joe Biden.
Joe Biden became the party nominee because they knew they couldn't win with a self-described Democrat socialist.
And he and AOC don't have any differences of opinion.
So I don't believe the party is that stupid.
But I hope they do.
Remember the ending of Thelma and Louise?
That would be what happened to the Democratic Party if they go that route.
By the way, Doug Schoen...
dave rubin
It does not end well for Thelma or Louise.
larry elder
By the way, they were talking about doing a remake, I mean, part two of that, and one of the stars says, don't you know how this thing ended?
Part two.
dave rubin
What's her name?
What's her name?
She's a complete lefty whack job.
She's like a pro-Hamas, you know, what's her name?
The actress.
larry elder
Yeah.
dave rubin
Who was it?
larry elder
It was Susan Sarandon.
dave rubin
Susan Sarandon.
larry elder
Yeah, she's like, don't you know how this movie ended?
But Doug Schoen is one of the most reasonable Democrats on the planet.
And I told him one time, you and my brother Kirk are the most reasonable Democrats I know.
And if you guys ran the party, this country could be united.
dave rubin
Yeah, well, I hate to tell you, Doug Schoen is not going to be running the Democrat Party because it has drastically, drastically shifted.
And you mentioned Scott Jennings before from CNN.
He is the one sane guy on these panels.
It's usually five crazy people in him, and he just kind of smacks them around.
And here he is explaining how the moderate Dem of, say, 25 years ago, a Bill Clinton Democrat, is now a Trump supporter.
unidentified
You know, my dad, working class guy, worked in a factory, was a garbage man for a while, was the biggest Clinton guy I knew in the 90s.
He was the first guy to tell me Donald Trump was going to be the next president of the United States.
And of course I told him he was full of it.
And I was wrong and he was right.
And I think about that all the time because all those Clinton guys that you're talking about, those working class guys from the 90s, they're all Trump guys now.
And that's also explained some of the evolution of the Republican platform.
But that base of the party is gone.
dave rubin
I think it's a beautiful thing.
I think he's right.
And anyone that was...
I think Bill Clinton actually from 25 years ago would be a Trump supporter now.
larry elder
You think Bill Clinton probably voted for Trump?
You know, I had a similar experience.
When Trump came down the escalator, I'm in an area of L.A. called Summon.
I know you know the area.
It's a working-class area of Los Angeles.
And I'm sitting at a bar, restaurant.
It's called Cocos.
It's like a Denny's, having my all-American vegetarian breakfast, ham and eggs, hash browns.
dave rubin
I was going to say, you are not a vegetarian.
I have fed you too many times to know you are not a vegetarian.
larry elder
He said, did you see our guy last night?
He said, our guy?
He said, yeah, Donald Trump.
He said, about time somebody spoke for me.
He walked away.
Another guy comes up.
He was a painter.
He had paint all over his clothes.
He said, did you see our guy?
I said, yeah.
He goes, about time.
About 30 people over the course of maybe the next hour came up to me and said the same thing.
And I went on the air and I told that story.
And I said, I've never seen a Republican connect with regular people like that.
This guy is going to win the nomination.
He's going to win the presidency.
And for the next three hours, people told me I was insane.
That's how people talk at the time.
dave rubin
It wasn't the first time you heard that you were insane.
larry elder
People, yeah.
dave rubin
Let's talk about one other Democrat who actually is sane because he's no longer a Democrat.
Yeah, I'm talking about Bobby Kennedy.
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All right, so the other thing we've been talking a lot about this week is that Bobby Kennedy, who is now the head of HHS, one of that long list of people you were talking about before, who is just competent and ready to do the job that Trump has surrounded himself with this time, here he is talking about how we are going to revolutionize the American food system.
robert f kennedy-jr
I'm interested in revolution.
Yesterday I hired a billionaire, four men to come work for my agency, and it's one of many.
These people, these tech entrepreneurs are flocking to our agency.
People of the highest caliber.
People like Jay Bhattacharya, like Marty McCary, like Dr. Oz and many others.
They're not coming in because they want prestige, or they want position, or they want power, or they want a salary.
They're coming only to do one thing, which is to revolutionize the system.
unidentified
So, I would encourage all of you...
robert f kennedy-jr
The system in four years is going to be completely different.
I'm not going to be satisfied in this.
What I told the food company was the first time I met them.
I said, within two years, all dies would be out of food.
I told them a lot of other things, too, and I'm going to keep my word.
We're going to change things for real this time.
This is my legacy.
It's President Trump's legacy.
It's the legacy of all these people who have walked away from fortunes and going concerns, and we are disrupting this agency.
We're taking it out of the hands of industry and we're putting it back in the hands of the American people.
dave rubin
Larry, there's kind of two interesting things about what he said right there.
I love this idea, and I've heard him say this many times.
I've heard him talk about it privately as well, that he was getting, his phone was basically ringing off the hook of people like billionaires and tech leaders that were like, hey, I don't want any money.
I just want to help.
That is a very different thing than we've been dealing with in government for a long, long time, that they don't want prestige.
They just want to figure out how to fix.
Let me ask you, on the fixing side of things, you know, that we're getting dyes out of food and pesticides out of things and seed oils and all the Bobby Kennedy stuff.
You're more of a libertarian in some sense.
What role do you think the government has in this stuff?
I mean, if people want to eat stuff that's just bad for them and killing them and everything else, is it their God-given right to do it, or does the government have some kind of role here?
larry elder
I think at the very least, you ought to know what you're ingesting.
And just as the government can mandate that tobacco makers put warnings on cigarettes and alcohol people put warning on labels, there's no reason why you can't at least mandate that when you're putting something like red dye, Europeans claim cause cancer.
At least you're alerted to that, so then you can make a decision.
But the idea of telling food companies you can't use this, you can't use this, you can't use that, because I think it's harmful, I think goes a little too far.
By the way, I know I'm name-dropping a lot this last hour, but I also had dinner with Bobby Kennedy Jr., and I was struck by how thoughtful he was.
This was a long time ago.
I said, this guy, I'm not even sure, is still a Democrat.
By the way, has he renounced his party?
Has he re-registered as a Republican?
dave rubin
I don't know that he's officially said he's a Republican.
I mean, Tulsi officially left the Democrat Party, but I don't know that she's got the laminated Republican card.
But he's definitely not a Democrat anymore.
You know, the first time I had him on the show, my audience knows this, I had him on the show right when, you know, two weeks after he announced he was running as a Democrat.
And I said to him, I said, Bobby, I don't know if you're going to be a Republican by the end of this thing, but I know you won't be a Democrat.
And you can see his eyes light up like he knew.
He knew what was coming.
But let me show you one more video and then we got a special finish for you of another one of these competent people that Trump has brought on board.
This is incoming or new FDA commissioner, Dr. Marty McCary, talking to Dana Bash about this situation with food dyes.
unidentified
Why are these petroleum-based dyes in our food and in our medication in the first place?
Well, good question, Dana.
I don't think we appreciated the potential risks to human health and child health when they were first introduced.
Yellow dye number five, for example, was noted to be a bright, vibrant yellow color as the byproduct of coal tar in the coal ash, and then people decided to put it in fabric, and then they thought, well, we can put it in food.
The studies have caught up with the introduction of these petroleum-based chemical food dyes, and the data doesn't look good.
Studies have shown it's Isn't it nice?
dave rubin
That not only do you have competent people suddenly, but you feel like they're actually competent.
Like, it's very the reverse of Fauci, who would get up there and basically be a politician as he was forcing you to do things.
These people are basically like, well, maybe having yellow dye from tar isn't the best thing, and we'd like to help you be healthier.
It's just a huge contrast.
larry elder
Yeah, McCary is another one of those guys who stuck his neck out and began to criticize people for accepting...
And I saw it on Fox News for several years.
And that, I'm sure, is where Donald Trump saw him and decided to invite him to be part of the administration.
Again, choosing superstars who are committed people, who've taken risks.
And it turns out that Marty McCary and others who criticized the lockdowns and the mandates were right.
dave rubin
Larry, the big finish for you is that I know you love this chick just as much as me, and we have been missing her on the Rubin Report program.
Corinne Jean-Pierre has a new gig.
It's at least a one-day gig.
Listen to this from the New York Post.
She can finally have some pride in her job.
Former President Joe Biden's press secretary, Corinne Jean-Pierre, has landed a new gig out of the White House as a grand marshal of the New York City Pride Parade.
Jean-Pierre, who became the first openly gay spokesperson to hold press briefings for a U.S. president, will be among those to head the Big Apple's famed annual parade in June, CBS reported.
It goes back to that trailblazing career that she's had in politics and representing the community at the highest microphone that exists, New York City Pride spokesperson Chris Piedmont said of Jean-Pierre, Larry, I don't care that she's a woman who enjoys the company of other women.
She was just not very good at her job, and now she will lead a parade, so hooray.
larry elder
Well, in her defense, it's hard to be good at your job when you're the press secretary for Joe Biden, lying to us about inflation, lying to us about the borders, lying to us about all sorts of things.
She's got to go out there with a straight face and try to defend him.
But I couldn't give a rip that she's the first this, first that.
She, at a town, at a forum, talked about how much pressure she felt being the first black gay person, first this.
Really?
After the first black president, isn't everything else kind of secondary?
dave rubin
And wasn't the first black president also our first gay president?
larry elder
The first black left-handed.
First black right-handed.
I think Barack Obama was left-handed, wasn't he?
So maybe a first black right-handed president would create a new barrier.
I don't know.
Break a new glass ceiling.
Who cares?
dave rubin
What are you doing in L.A. this weekend, my friend?
larry elder
I couldn't get over her hair, though.
How did she do those little curly things?
How did that happen?
Who does that?
dave rubin
I don't know.
That's black hair, man.
You should have more.
larry elder
You know more about black hair than I do, Larry.
I don't know.
dave rubin
What are you doing this weekend in Communist California?
larry elder
I'm going to Columbus.
I'm having a town hall for Salem, so I won't be in town this weekend.
dave rubin
That's the perfect answer.
What are you doing in California?
I'm getting the hell out of here.
larry elder
I'm back on Sunday, which is my birthday.
dave rubin
Oh, excellent.
larry elder
I will be 73 years old.
I know I look great.
Black don't crack.
The elder, the elder, the berry, the sweet of the juice.
Oh, he went there.
dave rubin
Black don't crack.
Look at you, man.
You're reverse aging.
That's incredible.
Incredible.
Well, happy early birthday to you, my friend.
You are welcome back at any time, obviously.
Guys, it's Friday, so no postgame show.
Thank you for watching.
Have a great weekend, everybody.
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