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April 21, 2025 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin

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Bill Maher Shocked by Charlie Kirk’s Honest Admission

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jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		So what's this civilizational moment?
		This civilizational moment is the opportunity that we have in front of us to wake up and to realize consciously and explicitly the nature of the dream that has enveloped us for the thousands of years of Judeo-Christian civilization.
		That dream is the celebration, the worship, the Deification of the principle of reciprocal, voluntary, self-sacrifice,
		the sacrifice of self to the future, the sacrifice of self to the community as the necessary, inevitable, and revolutionary foundation of the civilization that makes us free and abundant.
unidentified		you you
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Why, hello there.
		I'm your trusty host, Dave Rubin.
		This is The Rubin Report.
		It's April 21st, 2025.
		We're live streaming on The Rumble, on the YouTube, on the Locals.
		We've got a post-game show, rubinreport.locals.com.
		And what you saw right there for the cold open was a little teaser.
		...for our London 2025 documentary.
		Mostly it took place at Jordan Peterson's ARC conference.
		We also included a bit from my Oxford Union debate defending free speech, which I'm very proud to say we did win.
		Hopefully you've seen that already.
		But if you have not seen the full 40-minute documentary, which we recapped the entire week, and there were dozens of interviews and appearances and TV stuff and went on Piers Morgan and a whole bunch more.
		If you haven't seen that, it is up right now, and I have just instructed the team to put...
		Put the link in the description below because this is an internet program and we have a jam-packed show for you.
		We will be returning to Mondays with Maher because Bill Maher post having dinner with Donald Trump.
		He had Charlie Kirk.
		You know Charlie.
		He's been on the show many times.
		And I used to tour with Charlie at college campuses for a couple years.
		He had Charlie Kirk on his Club Random podcast and they got into what's going on with this new alliance.
		And then we're going to spend a chunk of the show talking about How you can really see right now, I mean, it's something that obviously we've been talking about here for a while, how the left has been fraying, but now you're sort of seeing the machine try to recalibrate.
		They're bringing in George Clooney to kind of get the crazy people back into the asylum.
		We'll see if that works.
		We'll connect this.
		To some of those crazy people, much like a particular senator out of Maryland who seems way more concerned with an illegal El Salvadorian immigrant who has been sent back to El Salvador than people who are being murdered on his streets.
		We'll connect that to why I don't watch the NBA anymore because of people like Golden State Warriors head coach Steve Kerr and a whole bunch more.
		But before we do anything else, in a somewhat...
		I would say bizarre or maybe even fitting twist.
		Obviously yesterday was Easter Sunday and happy Easter to everybody and happy final day of Passover.
		It's nice when they coincide with each other.
		But Pope Francis died just hours after Easter Sunday.
		We've got a bit here from CNN.
		Pope Francis, a voice for the poor who overcame fierce resistance to reshape the Catholic Church, died on Easter Monday at the age of 88, the Vatican announced.
		Until a new pope is chosen, Cardinal Kevin Farrell acts Francis suffered a severe health crisis earlier this year and was hospitalized for five weeks with double pneumonia.
		His doctors said later that the Pope was so critically ill, the staff considered stopping his treatment so he could die.
		But the Pope recovered from the worst illness and was discharged last month and was convalescing at his residence in Casa Santa Marta at the Vatican.
		While he did not lead any major services during the holiday period, the Pope continued to hold engagements up to Easter Sunday when he met briefly with U.S. President J.D. Vance, and yes, literally on Easter Sunday, I mean, he died just hours later, there are a couple pictures of him meeting with the Vice President.
		J.D. tweeted this, I just learned of the passing of Pope Francis.
		My heart goes out to the tens of millions of Christians all over the world who loved him.
		I was happy to see him yesterday, though he obviously was very ill, but I'll always remember him for the below homily he gave in the very early days of COVID.
		It was really quite beautiful.
		May God rest his soul.
		So obviously a new pope will be chosen.
		You know, I don't think this particular moment is the time to talk about all the politics.
		I saw a lot of, you know, a lot of people obviously offering condolences and everything else.
		And then there's a certain set of people that immediately make everything political.
		And obviously this pope had taken certain positions that were thought of as more woke or lefty or whatever that a certain set of Catholic people were not happy with.
		But we'll see what happens.
		From there, but now let's dive into the show.
		I believe we have our Mondays with Mar Bumper that will kick us into, and I'm just telling you guys, there's something so interesting happening in this realignment right now because you know we don't have to do the whole thing about Bill Maher and evolving and okay talking to Trump and trying to get the liberals to be more liberal and everything else,
		but it's not just that.
		It's that suddenly, five years ago.
		Seven years ago, if you would have said that Bill Maher and Charlie Kirk would be talking, you'd basically be crazy.
		People would say you were crazy, right?
		When I was touring with Charlie Kirk, this is around 2016, 17, maybe into a little bit of 18, and we go to tons of college campuses and do these things, I was the liberal, he was the conservative.
		It would have never been Bill Maher.
		Here they are sitting down.
		Charlie did not have alcohol nor weed.
		Bill did.
		That was one of several differences.
		But here they are talking about what's going on on the left and how it puts two guys like them sitting in a room together talking it out.
unidentified		��
		We're on different planets, obviously, on the spiritual religious stuff.
		But when you spoke against the woke, that for me was...
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		A proving moment.
bill maher ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
unidentified		And I have to say something, and this is 100% true.
charlie kirk ▲ ● ▼		You had more moral courage than pastors that I know that went along with the woke crazy train.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		And you deserve credit for that because it was of high cost.
bill maher ▲ ● ▼		Until we get rid of that, they're never going to win another election.
unidentified		I agree.
unidentified		They're not going to take political advice from me.
bill maher ▲ ● ▼		No, but they might from me.
		They could.
		And they should.
		Not the 10%, but that's 10%.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		But they're very loud.
bill maher ▲ ● ▼		They're very loud, but that's it.
bill maher ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, as FDR once said, I welcome their hatred.
unidentified		Good on you for being a liberal that acknowledges male-female distinctions.
unidentified		What a concept, right?
bill maher ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
unidentified		I mean...
bill maher ▲ ● ▼		Of all the low-lying fruit that the Democrats just, like, hand the Republicans to win elections, that's the one.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so the, like, easy version of this.
		First of all, I just want to say, personally, having known both of these guys pretty well, it's great to see them talking.
		Like, this is what we need more of in America.
		They disagree deeply on clearly the philosophical, let's say religious points, like Charlie's an evangelical Christian, Bill is a well-known atheist.
		So Charlie kind of punted that right from the beginning, although they did get into some of that stuff, especially to the backdrop of that it was Easter just a few days after they...
		Tape that.
		But putting that stuff aside, the fact that these guys are sitting there, and Bill is, and Charlie's giving him credit, you pushed against the book.
		Now, what I would say to Bill, as you know, is, Bill, okay, so then why wouldn't you sort of align yourself more with someone like Charlie?
		Like, what are the major hangups there?
		And I think with the major hangups there, there's still the abortion thing.
		For the, you know, quote-unquote good liberal or the old-school liberal, they're still more into abortion.
		So for someone like Charlie Kirk, who, as far as I understand it, wants no abortion, Maybe has some exceptions for health of the mother or something like that.
		That's a bridge too far for Bill.
		But... Because post-reversal of Roe v.
		Wade has been kicked back to the states, the states are now making the decisions.
		In Cali, where Bill lives, you can basically have eight-month abortions.
		Florida, where I live, we have the heartbeat bill six weeks.
		That's a little too much for me, but everyone has to make their decision, their hierarchy of importance.
		And if abortion is the highest thing for you and you live in a place where it has a very quick cutoff, well, then you're allowed to move somewhere else.
		That's the beauty of America.
		But beyond abortion, I know, I'm sure.
		I don't know if Bill has fully said it, but he's happy about what's going on with the border right now.
		He's happy that the states are cleaning up immigration, that the federal government's doing it first, and then it's leaking down to the states, etc., etc.
		So I would still encourage Bill to just be more of the moderate liberal wing of the Conservative Party, but be that as it may, I think what really has happened here is that the more people talk to each other, the more they will realize that they have more in common than apart,
		and that's exactly what happened to Bill when he I voted for Obama.
bill maher ▲ ● ▼		I voted for Clinton.
		But the idea that I could talk to them as freely as I felt this conversation was going is emblematic to me of why the Democrats lose the elections.
		Because they just don't feel that this is like a real person.
		And I know it's so weird to say that about Donald Trump.
		Who I've said a jillion times is, you know, a whiny little bitch.
		I mean, I could go through my greatest hits of, like, insults.
		But this was about getting past that and maybe seeing that if we met in person, we don't hate each other as much, and we don't.
		And I'm sorry, I'm not going to, like, pretend that's a bad thing.
unidentified		No, it's how you heal.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is how you heal.
		It is what the country needs.
		I think Bill needed, he said it in the clip we showed you last week, he needed that face-to-face moment.
		Like, that moment to actually look him in the eye, to, like, score up, basically, where he is, where Trump is, and where he is.
		And what he found was there's a guy who invited him to dinner, that walked him around the Oval Office, that talked about history, they joked about stuff, they talked about January 6th, all of that stuff.
		Let's not forget that for years, Barack Obama, who Bill Maher supported and voted for twice, would not...
		Be interviewed by him.
		Finally, they had begged and begged and begged and begged and they finally made it happen.
		And it's fairly clear the subtext of what Bill is saying is that Obama didn't give him that kind of personal approach.
		And Bill Clinton, who was overly personal with a lot of people, let's say, I think Bill is basically saying that he wouldn't have done that either.
		So that leaves, again, someone like Bill on the outs from his own party.
		But it's not just Bill Maher.
		Now New York City Mayor Eric Adams.
		And as I always tell you, I'm very conflicted about this guy because he's saying a lot of the right things, right?
		But he's still in some sense governing the wrong way.
		But at least you gotta start somewhere, right?
		So this is where I wanna give a lot of these guys a leash and a little bit of a runway to escape the crazy Dems and move over to the wide tent sanity side, let's say.
		So Mayor Eric Adams went on Laura Trump's show on Fox talking about...
		Well, a phrase you've heard often from people like David Horowitz, from people like Ronald Reagan, from people like Bobby Kennedy Jr., from people like Kelsey Gabbard, from people like Dave Rubin, etc., etc., that he didn't leave the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party left him.
lara trump ▲ ● ▼		You've been willing to work with the Trump administration officials, with Sean Duffy, with Tom Homan, and you caught a lot of flack for that from a lot of your former party, the Democrat Party.
unidentified		Why do you think that is?
eric adams ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's about a partisan.
		I think it's just common sense.
		You know, what does everyday New Yorkers want?
		And, you know, I use the terminology all the time.
		People say, well, you know, you left the Democratic Party.
		You know, the party left me.
unidentified		So you think the city council is upset because somehow they think that you are collaborating with the Trump administration?
		And I would say...
		You are because you want the best for the city, right?
		Who's upset about that?
eric adams ▲ ● ▼		Even more than that, what people don't realize, we send billions of dollars in tax dollars to Washington, D.C., and the mindset that we're not going to collaborate with this president administration is foolish to even think.
eric adams ▲ ● ▼		I've never made it a secret I'm going to collaborate with this administration.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		All right, so Eric Adams, if you're watching today, I would say that is great.
		You should be, as the mayor of New York City, collaborating with the federal government when they clean up the border and they're trying to clean up the streets and everything else.
		What I would also say to you, and we have to get him on the show, we have to get him on the show and I will ask him this, is do you regret the fact that you...
		Called for New York City to be a sanctuary city.
		The reason that the Roosevelt Hotel was taken over by migrants and the reason that the crime went up and that people don't want to go in the subway has an awful lot to do with the things you've done.
		So it's great right now, right?
		You're going through your wake-up.
		You're realizing these crazy people.
		And in a weird way, it's Trump that's rescuing you.
		I think you could probably make the same argument for Bill Maher, right?
		And all these guys, as the Democrats go completely crazy and then the moderates try to moderate them.
		It doesn't really work.
		There's Trump with his handout, basically.
		And his hand is like, I'll clean up the streets.
		I'll clean up the border.
		That'll make your city better.
		So do you want to join me over here?
		Oh, you don't want boys and girls sports?
		I'll take care of that via federal executive action, and that'll help someone.
		That lives in crazy California-like, Bill.
		So Trump, in essence, is the one that is widening the entire thing constantly.
		So Eric, again, it's great that you're saying it.
		Now we'd like to show it a little bit more because here you are talking about how you want to keep New Yorkers safe, but we still do know what's going on in the city.
eric adams ▲ ● ▼		But areas where we can go after dangerous gang members that are incarcerated and the danger that they are producing on Rikers Island can also spill into our community.
eric adams ▲ ● ▼		I'm not apologizing for that, and I'm not going to ever relinquish my authority to keep New Yorkers safe.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so again, you're saying something great, and that's nice to hear.
		And I lived in New York City for about 20 years when it was run by competent Governors, right?
		Competent mayors.
		That's what we used to have there.
		We had Rudy Giuliani, and we had Mike Bloomberg, who was a moderate at the time.
		I'd say he's more of a Democrat lefty at this point, but he basically replicated a lot of the Giuliani stuff.
		But there's a reason people don't want to go on the subways anymore, right?
		There's a reason that there's certain streets you don't want to walk on.
		There's a reason that, I don't know, UnitedHealthcare CEO could get shot at 10 p.m. in the middle of Times Square, and it wasn't really surprising to anybody.
		So Eric Adams, do something about it.
		When you have people that take over your streets and are marching down calling for genocide and literally wearing fake suicide vests.
		We'll have more on that in a little bit.
		Maybe you should do something about it.
		Don't just talk about it.
		That would be my, let's say, soft encouragement to you.
		We'll have more on this brewing Democrat civil war because it is a coming.
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		All right, so let's talk about George Clooney for a moment, because as there is a Democrat civil war happening, there will be generals and soldiers on each side of it.
		Because the Democrats now don't seem to have a leader.
		Like, who is the leader of the party?
		Well, they had a guy with dementia, and they pushed him out, and then they put a woman in.
		They installed a woman who nobody liked.
		She's obviously—Kamala is obviously not the head of the party.
		They're trying to now, like, morph Bernie Sanders and AOC into something that'll be the head of the party, but that would be the head of an extremely radical party.
		So then there are the Hollywood celebs, like George Clooney.
		George Clooney, who has run a— So I have no love.
		You know, the Ocean's Eleven movies were pretty decent.
		At least the first one was pretty good.
		I'm sort of indifferent to George Clooney overall.
		But I would say what he's done politically with his money has been pretty terrible because he's been part of the problem.
		But they're bringing him back.
		CNN's bringing him back.
		Here he is sitting down with Jake Tapper because they need someone that at least seems sane to try to grab the reins of the party again.
		Otherwise, they are going to hand it to the...
		To the AOCs, to the Bernies, or even worse, the Ilhans and Rashidas.
		So here's George Clooney talking about why he eventually turned on Biden.
		And of course, it's because he's a good man.
		He's a very good man.
unidentified		You yourself did something that a lot of people would call brave when you wrote your op-ed.
		Well, I don't know if it was brave.
		It was a civic duty.
		Because I found that people on my side of the street...
		You know, I'm a Democrat.
		I was a Democrat in Kentucky, so I get it.
		When I saw people on my side of the street not telling the truth, I thought that was time to...
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Are people still mad at you for that?
unidentified		Some people, sure.
		It's okay.
		I have to take that.
		That's fair.
		I'm okay with that.
		I'm okay with criticism for where I stand.
		I defend their right to criticize me as much as I defend my right to criticize them.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		All right, so look, I don't think George Clooney is like an absolutely horrible person.
		I think he's mistaken politically.
		Also, I don't know what's going on with his hair dye.
		Like, did he ask for the Rudy Giuliani special?
		Love you, Rudy.
		But like, he used to have cool salt and pepper hair.
		That's what everyone loved about George Clooney.
		Also, it looks like maybe some of his epic situation.
		He doesn't look very good.
		But all of that aside, I like how Jake framed it.
		It's very brave that you...
		So you have a celebrity who is hiding Biden's dementia or whatever it was, and a quote-unquote journalist who's now writing a book who was also hiding it, talking about this stuff.
		But the reason that they're trotting him out again is they need somebody, and they don't know what to do.
		There is no leader on the Democrat side.
		Who has put aside what you might think about Bill Clinton, who has like the magic of a Bill Clinton or the magic that a Barack Obama once had.
		They just don't have anybody.
		Again, that has nothing to do with their political beliefs, but there was something about Bill Clinton, obviously.
		There was something about Barack Obama, obviously.
		And now it's, so there's two problems with the party.
		The party doesn't know what it believes, right?
		Does it want to be a genuinely old school liberal party that it was for many, many decades that would welcome, say, a Bill Maher and maybe even someone like me to some extent?
		Does it want to be that, or does it want to be the hysterical, woke, progressive, authoritarian thing?
		And clearly all the energy is there, but you've got to then try to...
		Bring a guy that can kind of moderate it, and that's what they're doing with this guy.
		But if you want to see how out of control the party got and how deeply it was connected to the machine that I'm always talking about, this is absolutely wild.
		This is from the Washington Free Beacon broke this weekend.
		New, LeBron James said endorsing Kamala Harris in a viral Trump-bashing video was a personal decision for my kids.
		But, here we go.
		New disclosures show Harris' campaign quietly paid his production company $50,000 after the post.
		That was just one check.
		Here are the other celebs who got paid as part of Kamala's $1.5 billion campaign before she went on to suffer the Democrat Party's worst presidential defeat in decades.
		$1 million to Oprah's company for a sit-down interview.
		$165 to Beyonce's team for a four-minute rally speech.
		$58K to Cardi B, who claimed she wasn't paid.
		$500 to MSNBC host Al Sharpton's nonprofit weeks before she appeared on its network.
		$35K to Jennifer.
		Do you guys realize how profoundly corrupt all of this is?
		These people were all paid.
		Like, let's say you really, really cared.
		Let's say LeBron really, really cared about his kid's future.
		He felt that Kamala Harris becoming president and stopping Donald Trump was the best thing for his kid's future.
		He had to take an extra 50 grand for it.
		I'm fairly certain.
		Can we check on this?
		He's worth over a billion dollars.
		Isn't LeBron James?
		He's a billionaire at this point with all of his properties.
		But he needed another 50K from Kamala to defend his children.
		Like, it's crazy.
		Or Beyonce or any of these people.
		I can tell you, as someone that did this, when DeSantis was running, and you know that I fought really hard for that guy.
		Maybe I even fought harder than him in some sense in the primary.
		When he was doing the primary thing, they asked me, one of the PACs asked me to speak before him during a thing, and I went out of my way not to take money.
		I did not want to take money because I wanted to do the right thing, but I also didn't want under the guise of, oh, I take money for endorsements.
		I would never do that.
		It's just completely insane, but yet this is what the entire Democrat media machine did.
		You gotta pay Oprah a million dollars for that?
		Or what was the, what's that podcast?
		Call Me Girl, Call Me Slut.
		What is it?
		Call Me Who?
		Call Me Daddy, Call Me Daddy podcast.
		And that, they gave her a million dollars for like a, to build a set.
		Like we built, I think the nicest set of the entire biz.
	This whole room costs maybe 150 grand.
	Like it's completely, completely insane.
	But I know.
	Not surprising.
	So anyway, again, they bring in Clooney because what they're trying to do right now is they have to figure this out.
	They are about to witness the utter destruction of their party.
	Like, if you think Trump winning last time and then the Republicans getting the House and the Senate was bad for them, this thing is veering off to a point where it may not exist as a party anymore.
	You can't be polling at what they're showing on CNN every week, like 28% as a party.
	That doesn't work.
	That simply does not work.
	So maybe it splinters off into two parties or something.
	So they've got to pick a new leader.
	So Jake asked Clooney, who, again, he's just being put up there to try to put some patina of sanity around this clown show.
	Who does he like for 2028?
unidentified		Who do you have your eyes on?
		I really, there's one person in particular I think is spectacular.
		There are a few.
		I like Andy Beshear.
		I like...
		Oh, you're Kentucky.
		I'm a Kentucky guy.
		I like him.
		He's a good guy.
		And they're smart.
		And he's won in a red state.
		He's a Democrat.
		I like Gretchen.
		I think he's very good.
		But who I think is levitating above that is Wes Moore.
		I think he is the guy that's handled this tragedy in Baltimore beautifully.
		He's two tours of duty in Afghanistan, active duty.
		He speaks sort of beautifully.
		He's smart.
		He ran a hedge fund.
		He ran the Robin Hood Foundation.
		He's a proper leader.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		All right, there's a couple of things there.
		First off, he likes Gretchen Whitmer.
		So again, this is where it's like even the moderates are still confused about things, right?
		So Gretchen Whitmer, who...
		As we've talked about a million times, like literally stopped people in Michigan from planting their own seeds in their own gardens during COVID.
		I mailed seeds from California to fans in Michigan because of that crazy woman while she was partying on her boat for her husband's birthday.
		Like she's, you like her?
		And it's like, okay, so who, you know, Wes Moore?
unidentified		I don't know.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		He's fine.
		The tragedy in Baltimore is a little unclear to me, although Connor said that the Orioles were playing pretty terribly, so maybe that's it.
		Or I guess it's because the boat hit the bridge, and I guess he's done okay with that.
		But, like, go into the Baltimore City schools and find that I think it's something like 6% of kids are reading at grade level.
		Like, I don't know how great this guy is.
		But again...
		It's just, they've just got to do something while the rest of everything burns down.
		And if you want to see how the rest of everything is burning down, here is Timu Obama.
		I love this guy, Hakeem Jeffries.
		So he's sort of the congressional leader of the party.
		And then you've got David Hogg.
		You know David Hogg.
		He was one of the kids who fortunately was a survivor of the Parkland shooting, although it was a little unclear, was he actually at the school that day?
		I think there's been some mis...
		Communication on that, whether he was even there that day, but he's become a big anti-gun and really, I would say, kind of on the wrong side of everything issue person.
		He's now like one of the real de facto leaders of the Democrat Party, a kid who's accomplished absolutely nothing.
		And Hakeem, trying to be a little bit of a non-crazy moderate, and David Hogg, young, energy, lunatic, they're up for a fight.
		Here we go.
unidentified		David Hogg, who I know you know, a vice chair of the Democratic National Committee, he's going to be joining us on the roundtable.
		And he is pursuing this effort to unseat some Democrats in safe seats.
		Through primary challenges.
		He's talked about a culture of seniority politics that is not working for the party.
		He said, What's your response to this idea of targeting some of your Democratic incumbents?
		I look forward to standing behind every single Democratic incumbent, from the most progressive to the most centrist, and all points in between.
		They're working hard in their communities, rising to the occasion this past year.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		All right, so we did a quick check there.
		Apparently, Hogg was, he was at the Parkland School.
		He was in a different building than the shooting was in.
		That's sort of an aside there.
		But you can really see what the issue is at the moment.
		So why, to go to the previous clip for a moment, why are you throwing George Clooney out right now to talk about the future of the Dems?
		Because what the Dems are dealing with right in this very moment is that you have a guy, the Timo Obama, Hakeem Jeffries guy, a guy with no...
		Political skills or anything else.
		He comes off very robotic and boring.
		And he's defending the status quo of the party that just kind of stands for nothing and everyone sees it.
		And then you have this radical kid who is now the vice chair of the party saying, I'm going to primary all of your people because they're not radical enough.
		And then you have Timu Obama saying, I'm going to stand with all of them.
		So this is the Godzilla scene at the end of every Godzilla when the Asian man stands there on a boat and the city's been destroyed and there's Mothra and Godzilla and they're destroying everything left and he has a little tear in slow motion coming down his eye and he goes, let them fight.
		Like, that's basically where we are at with these people.
		And David Hogg is just going at it with everybody.
		So you know James Carville.
		I debated James Carville on real time with Bill Maher and I told him that very fine people on both sides was, He's being paid to run against other Democrats.
		I think it's an outrage.
unidentified		I don't know if I have standing, but I might give the DMC $10.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		And sue him.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		He's a contemptible little twerp.
unidentified		The well-known Democratic strategist James Carville said in response to this announcement of this plan that you have to primary Democrats, he said that the DNC should sue you and called you, quote, a contemptible little twerp.
		What is your reaction to that?
		Try it.
		That is my reaction.
		I would also say James Carville has not won an election since before I was born.
david hogg ▲ ● ▼		I think it's time to have new leaders in our party that are ready to meet this moment because a lot of the people that are most critical of this plan are the same ones that had $2 billion to win an election and still lost.
unidentified		So I think the experts can save it because it's time for some new ideas.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'd say you're both right in this case.
		You don't hear me say that about Democrats often, but is he a contemptible little twerp?
		Absolutely. And is it true that they wasted $2 billion on horrible candidates?
		It is.
		So, have at it, guys.
		It's great.
		Also, when you look at the two of them juxtaposed to each other on the screen, it's like, that's Hogg looking into his future, right?
		Keep losing weight, man.
		You're going to lose your hair.
		And then it's, hello, darkness, my old friend.
		You're going to see yourself in that man because one day you will be him.
		You're a political creature now, and that's what he is.
		Someday you will be defending the status quo.
		But the Democrats, again, congratulations, Dems.
		You've got Carville, who can't win elections, who's kind of half right, half wrong, little crazy, Louisiana accent, okay, fine, so you put him on TV because he talks like this, and then it seems that kind of entertaining, and he talks real fast, and nobody knows what he's saying, and then he's talking, talking, talking, and then people are going, oh my God,
		he must have said something important because he was talking so fast.
		So you got that, and then you got Hogg, who's a...
		Basically, a Marxist now running your party saying, I'm going to burn all you people down.
		Is it Christmas already?
		It's pretty great.
		It's pretty great.
		And then, of course, there is this other guy who I may start referring to as Milhouse Van Houten on the show.
		Milhouse, of course, was Bart's good friend on The Simpsons, which is still on 35 years later.
		It's insane.
		But his name is Chris Van Hollen.
		He is the Senate.
		Senator from Maryland, and he does not care about the people of Maryland.
		He's really obsessed with an illegal immigrant MS-13 gang member from El Salvador.
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		All right, so as you know, an illegal immigrant from El Salvador who was in MS-13, whose wife once signed an affidavit saying that she was beating him.
		Was deported and sent back to his home country of El Salvador.
		I said that quietly and calmly for everybody.
		Senator Chris Van Hollen from Maryland is very upset about this and took a trip paid for by the taxpayers of Maryland to go visit this guy.
		Here is a tweet from Senator Van Hollen.
		I said my main goal of this trip was to meet with Kilmar.
		Tonight I had that chance.
		I have called his wife Jennifer to pass along his message of love.
		I look forward to providing a full update upon my return.
		Now let's jump back to David Hogg for a moment because he retweeted that statement and wrote this.
		We have a lot of work to do to build back a better Democratic Party, but this is just what we need more of.
		I'm proud to be a member of Senator Van Hollen's party.
		Thank you for having the courage to fight for those more directly harmed by Donald Trump.
		I'm not going to curse.
		I'm not going to curse.
		It's a Monday.
		It's the day after Easter.
		The Pope just died.
		I'm just going to try to do it calmly.
		That's what you guys had now.
		You have a senator defending a non-citizen who beat his wife who is in a gang.
		And then you have this kid who, by his own friend's words or his own co-party's words, is a little twerp, defending that.
		Defending that.
		It is completely insane.
		You guys all deserve each other.
	You will never step up or talk about the people that the gang members murder or the rapes or the fentanyl that they bring across or anything else.
	And here is Van Hollen.
	Again, here he is getting emotional, because if there's one thing Democrats are good at, it's fake crying and getting very emotional about things.
	And here he is because Abrego Garcia, that is the MS-13 gang member from El Salvador, who's now in El Salvador, who beat his wife, according to her own affidavit.
	Here he is, well, he misses his wife, and that's very upsetting to Van Hollen.
chris van hollen ▲ ● ▼		I called Jennifer to tell her that I had met with Kilmar.
		And I told her what he...
		said to me, which was first and foremost, that he missed her and his family.
		And as he said that, you could see it here.
		Go down as she.
unidentified		Okay.
chris van hollen ▲ ● ▼		Now, getting a meeting with Kilmar was not easy.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		I said I wasn't gonna curse, but I want to.
		I want to.
		Here, can I just write saying down, maybe?
		I'll just scribble saying down.
		It'll just make me feel better, and then I'll be able to.
		Okay, that's fine.
		The fake crying.
		I like how he's like, a tear.
		Went down his face.
		And then he turns to everybody.
		Guys, look, I'm pointing at my eye.
		That's where a tear comes from.
		Do you know that?
		Do you know that's where?
		And tears come from this part of the eye, not this part of the eye.
		That's one of the things.
		A tear comes from an actual tear.
		It's kind of a tear.
		And they were all like, oh my god, a tear?
		Was it a tear?
		And then he hugs her and then he has to choke back in.
		Ah, this is a great...
		Just because I love these juxtapositions of things.
		This is from Johnny Mag on Twitter.
		Taken 24 hours apart, and what you have right there is the illegal El Salvadorian gang member in El Salvador shaking hands with the senator who went to El Salvador to visit an illegal alien who was in our country who was a gang member.
		And there, of course, you have Donald Trump, who last week met with Patty Moran.
		And Patty Moran is the mother of the woman, the mother of five, 37-year-old mother of five.
		Who was murdered by an MS-13 gang member.
		And somehow Van Hollen hasn't mentioned her.
		And somehow the Democrats haven't mentioned her.
		And somehow this is the strange position that this party is in.
		But Van Hollen finally, finally, because it was so obvious how ridiculous this was, that he's visiting the MS-13 gang member in El Salvador while Trump is meeting with the mother.
		of the woman who was killed, who now has five orphaned children, well, they have a father still, but five children without a mother, finally somebody asked Manholland about Rachel Morin's family.
unidentified		The response from Republicans to your visit is that you care more to meet with Abrego Garcia than you do with Rachel Moore, who is the mother of a Maryland woman who died in your state.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		What is your response to that criticism specifically?
chris van hollen ▲ ● ▼		Well, my response is that my heart goes out.
		To the family of Rachel Warren.
		As I said at the time, my heart breaks for what happened to them.
		That should not happen to any family in America.
		And I am very glad that a court of law convicted her killer and is going to punish her killer in a court of law.
		The reason we have courts of law are to punish the guilty.
		But also to make sure that those who have not committed crimes are not found guilty and arbitrarily detained.
		In other words, everybody has due process.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		You see what that evil MFR did right there, there, I didn't curse?
		What he twisted at the end.
		To imply that the guy he's visiting didn't do anything wrong.
		He was an illegal immigrant.
		That alone is enough that you've got to leave the country if they catch you.
		On top of the beating of the wife, we'll get to that in a second, at MSNBC 13. You get it.
		And it's just like, you know what?
		Oh, my heart goes out to her.
		No, it doesn't, because you never visited Patty Moran, the mother.
		You know who did visit her?
		Donald Trump.
		Like, you people are not, you're not good people.
		You're awful people who just pretend to be good people.
		And that's not a good thing.
		He then did get questioned also as to whether Abrego Garcia is in MS-13, and note his answer here.
unidentified		Now, President Trump says that some of Abrego Garcia's tattoos signify that he's a member of...
		MS-13.
		In 2019, police alleged a confidential informant claimed that Abrego Garcia was an active MS-13 member.
		His wife and his attorney deny that, of course.
		Can you say with absolute certainty that he is not, nor has he ever been a member of the MS-13 gang?
		And did you ask him point blank?
chris van hollen ▲ ● ▼		Well, Dana, what Donald Trump is trying to do here is change the subject.
chris van hollen ▲ ● ▼		The subject at hand is that he and his administration are defying a court order to give Abrego Garcia his due process rights.
unidentified		Did you ask him if he has any association with MS-13?
chris van hollen ▲ ● ▼		I did not ask him directly because he's answered that question repeatedly as his lawyers have.
chris van hollen ▲ ● ▼		I think at some point the president of El Salvador realized it was looking really bad to have this person who had been absconded from America, from the streets of Maryland, in one of their...
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Did you catch what happened there?
		He almost called him an American.
		But as the end started coming out of his mouth, he realized he's not an American.
		This man is a horrible, horrible human being.
		I don't know what the rest of his politics are.
		I don't know if he's like a complete woke, wackadoodle Marxist progressive like the AOC crew.
		But in some sense, he's worse because he gives it the air of decency by being just like a 60-year-old white guy that can speak.
		Normally. Like, he gives it this air of he's a decent guy.
		And he is absolutely not.
		He almost lied right there.
		He got as damn well close as he could.
		And then he refused repeatedly to answer whether he's an MS-13 gang member.
		Also, by the way, the tattoos do mean something.
		Because that is one of the ways that you know what gang you are in.
		Watch the fucking...
		I shouldn't have said that either.
		Watch any gang movie.
		Most of the gang members have tattoos because they don't get a laminated...
		Oh, can I get in the gang?
		Bob! Bob, would you bust out the lamination machine?
		We're going to give him his card.
		We're going to laminate his card and then he'll be in the gang.
		Oh, give him the...
		You didn't give him the gift basket?
		It has the chocolates and all the stuff.
		You didn't...
		Bob? Where's Bob?
		No, you get tattooed and it's painful.
		That's part of the thing.
		And then you go out and you punch a grandmother and knock her down the stairs to prove to the guys that you're in the gang.
		That's how it...
		Bob! Oh, sorry.
		Well, you can't get in the gang today.
		The lamination machine's not working, Bob.
		Now watch this.
		Here's Abrego Garcia's wife, a woman who signed a court document saying that he repeatedly beat her, now being asked if he ever beat her.
		And somehow she doesn't remember the very document that she signed.
unidentified		And I know this is a sensitive question, but I have to ask it.
		You did take out a temporary order of protection against your husband in 2021.
		were you in fear of your husband?
		My husband is alive.
		That's all I can say.
		Okay. And you know I'm not going to push on that.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Well, you could have pushed him.
		You could have pushed her on that a little bit.
		You repeatedly said your husband beat the crap out of you and you were afraid of him and he beat you with a boot and a bunch of other stuff.
		My husband is alive.
		Wait, what?
		What? So what is going on there?
		This is another way you know now the system somehow has gotten to this woman.
		The lawyers are now telling, like, she now realizes there's a bigger issue here that she can be part of, and there's probably some money in it for her, and a book, and a little movie on Lifetime, and all of that stuff.
		Like, what are you people talking about?
		Bob! Bob!
		He wants to get in the gang!
		Get him the lamination machine!
		It's tattoos!
		It's tattoos, you idiots!
		Speaking of idiots, on MSNBC 13, there's a clown show of people, again, defending an illegal El Salvadorian immigrant who beat his wife, who's never been an American citizen, who blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
		And I think we even have the bumper.
unidentified		Brought to you by MSNBC 13. If there's an illegal alien criminal out there, we have their back.
		I mean, as you say, this is racist defamation coming from the most powerful office in the country or in the world.
		He's not a violent person.
		He's a loving father.
elizabeth warren ▲ ● ▼		We do not disappear people in the United States.
unidentified		Because here's the thing.
elizabeth warren ▲ ● ▼		If they can disappear, Mr. Abrego Garcia, then they can disappear you.
unidentified		That you believe that the federal courts, maybe a district court, I'm not sure you can tell me if the Supreme Court could even do this, should hold key administration officials.
		in contempt if they continue to defy the Supreme Court, which I'm guessing you see...
		Yes. Yes, yes, they should.
		That's the way our law works.
		This issue about the Maryland manned is not about border security or immigration.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		It's about freedom.
		Yes. I mean, no.
		I mean, yes.
		I mean, no.
		No, it is about border security.
		You guys let in about 15 million illegals.
		You seem to not care at all about that, about our Constitution or anything else.
		Suddenly, you guys are really into the Constitution, and you're really into separation of powers and everything else, right?
		So when people were breaking the laws and coming into our country illegally, you had no problem with it.
		Actually, you called us all racist for saying something about it.
		Now we're doing a little something about it, and you guys are up in arms.
		The first, I don't even know who that first clown was with the Muppet.
		Chris Hayes.
		But he says he's not a violent person.
		He's a loving father.
		His freaking wife signed a court document saying she was being beaten with a boot.
		That seems like a type of violence to me.
		Then Elizabeth Warren, fake Indian Elizabeth Warren.
		If they can disappear him, they can disappear you.
		He's not a citizen of the United States.
		If he was a legal citizen of the United States and he was beating his wife with a boot, I would be defending his right to stay in America and be in one of our prisons.
		If Donald Trump...
		Picked up an illegal citizen who beat his wife with a boot and put him in El Salvador.
		I promise you guys, I would defend that guy's right to be back in America where some guy named Bubba could drop the soap in the shower and take care of him.
		You get it?
		You get it?
		And then, yeah, and then I'm not even gonna deal with Klobuchar.
		It's just all nonsense.
		So we need a break.
		We need a little break from the nonsense.
		I can feel my heart beating a little bit faster and everything else.
		So here's Tom Homan just kind of telling the truth.
unidentified		Senator Van Hollen has obviously got a chance to meet with him, but he had to travel to El Salvador to get any information.
		Does that concern you at all?
		I mean, these are people sent by the United States and not even a U.S. senator could get any information about his...
		About his whereabouts or the condition of his incarceration without actually going down and making the trip to El Salvador himself?
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he obviously knew his whereabouts because he went there to see him.
		But, you know, what bothers me more than that is the U.S. senator traveled El Salvador on a taxpayer dime to meet with the MS-13.
		Gang member, public safety threat, terrorist.
		In the meantime, the day before he traveled, an illegal alien was arrested for murder, released to the streets rather than honoring an ICE detainer in his very own state.
		What concerns me is Van Halen never went to the border the last four years on Joe Biden when he had a 600% increase in sex trafficking in women and children.
		You have a record number of non-inspected terrorists crossing that border.
		You had a quarter million Americans die, in fact, in an overdose because of the open border.
		You had over 4,000 illegal aliens die.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. And that's why Tom Homan will play Tom Homan in the movie about Tom Homan called the Tom Homan story.
		He's right about all of those things.
		They don't care.
		They don't care when people are illegally entering the country.
		They don't care when their own citizens get killed.
		They use everything through this, what Gad said, calls suicidal empathy as a crudule to basically destroy the country.
		Did Van Howland go down to the border once?
		Now, why didn't he visit Moran's mother once?
		Like, what really is going on here with these people?
		And it's not just this story.
		There also is the story from two weeks ago where a young man was stabbed in the heart and murdered because someone tapped him on the shoulder and told him he was sitting in the wrong section during a football game.
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		All right, so let's just do a little recap of today's show.
		What we illustrated up top is that there are some liberals out there who are, like Bill Maher, talking to people like Charlie Kirk and realizing, okay, we shouldn't all hate each other.
		Then you've got the internal fight of the Democrat Party, and that's...
		Basically, what's going on between Hogg and the current people that are in power, like Timu Obama and the rest of them.
		And there's a fight going on there.
		And then you have, I would say, the ideological radicalness of the party, which has burst forth, which is exactly what's going on with this MS-13 gang member and a senator from Maryland who's more concerned about him than his own people.
		Now, I want to get to the story about the young man who was stabbed in the heart because he was asked to move sections at a football game in just a second.
		I want to set this up with two quotes, and first from John F. Kennedy.
		Tolerance implies no lack of commitment to one's own beliefs.
		Rather, it condemns the oppression or persecution of others.
		Okay, put that in your brain for a second.
		And now a quote that I use often on this show from Andrew Breitbart, politics is downstream from culture.
		Okay, so as you know, about two weeks ago, A young man by the name of Carmelo Anthony stabbed another young man who was a twin football star.
		I'm sorry, I'm blanking on his name.
		Austin Metcalf, thank you.
		And killed him, and he died in his brother's arms.
		He was sitting in the wrong section.
		It doesn't matter if he tapped him a little too hard.
		It doesn't matter if he said a bad word or anything else, which no one is accusing him of, as far as I've heard.
		You can't just stab someone.
		You can't just murder someone right there.
		I suppose what now is happening that we're going to illustrate for the next few minutes is that what you get in a culture like ours, if you don't defend the right ideals, is a culture of rot, right?
		And then our politicians just reflect that.
		That's why politics is downstream from culture.
		So there is this guy, he goes by Minister Dominique Alexander.
		Now, from what...
		Anyone has figured out so far, as far as I've seen, he's not an actual minister.
		He calls himself a social justice minister.
		That's not a real thing.
		He is apparently an attorney.
		He is now an attorney for Carmelo Anthony.
		Carmelo Anthony is the young man who stabbed Austin Metcalf in the heart and killed him.
		Died in his twin brother's arms.
		It's just unimaginable.
		We've showed you this tweet, so let me read this.
		It'll set us up here.
		This is from last week.
		Carmelo Anthony is safe at home.
		This moment is a reminder that a community united can never be divided.
	The journey ahead is long, but today we celebrate a victory for justice.
	For family and for the power of people coming together to protect our youth.
	Thank you for everyone who stood with us.
	The fight continues.
	But tonight, Camarillo is at home.
	Leave that up for just a second.
	I just don't even know what to say about this.
	Look, everyone has the right to a fair trial.
	Every citizen of America.
	I know that confuses certain senators from Maryland.
	Everyone has the right to a fair trial.
	Everyone has the right to defend themselves.
	Everyone has the right to a lawyer and all of those things.
	But with this line, the journey ahead is long, but today we celebrate a victory for justice.
	He killed a kid.
	Nobody's debating that.
	For family and for the power of people coming together to protect our youth.
	Well, our youth weren't protected because Carmelo Anthony, right there, murdered Austin.
	Metcalf in cold blood.
	So then this video, I saw this, I think on Friday, there was a press conference that this social justice minister, Dominique Alexander, held for Carmelo Anthony.
	And Jeff Metcalf, who is the father of Austin Metcalf, who within 24 hours of his son being murdered in cold blood, he said that he basically exonerates this kid.
	He was just like, I'm not going to be angry at this kid.
	It's unimaginable.
	It's actually unimaginable that he could do that within 24 hours of his son being murdered, like forgave this murderer named Carmelo Anthony.
	Well then, on Friday, there was a press conference that this social justice warrior had, this Dominique Alexander guy had with Carmelo Anthony, and Jeff Metcalf, the father who forgave his son's murder, showed up to the press conference.
	And then listen to what this guy said about him.
	This is actually, this is beyond the pale.
	There's almost nothing that I can say about this.
unidentified		And all I'm going to say, so it don't be asked later, is that was disrespectful and just shows you all the character who was not invited.
		He knows that it's inappropriate to be near this family.
		But he did it.
		And so I say to people, actions speak louder than words.
		Okay? What he has failed into is the political operatives that want to make this thing a political thing of hate, yet bigotry, and yet racism.
		We have conservative operatives that have been posting nonstop.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		I'm actually almost speechless.
		I don't even know how to analyze that properly.
		That is one of the most evil backwards things I have ever heard.
		The father shows up to the press conference.
		He wasn't attacking anybody.
		He wasn't screaming or anything else.
		He forgave that.
		This man has the gall to say it was disrespectful that he showed up to impugn his character.
		He says that tells you everything you need to know about his character.
		It's inappropriate to be near the family.
		The man who forgave the kid for killing his son.
		Actions speak louder than words.
		Well, you're right.
		You got that one, right?
		An action.
		You know what was an action?
		An action was stabbing his son in the heart.
		A word was saying, hey, you're actually sitting in the wrong section.
		An action was murdering the guy.
		And then, of course, he links it to bigotry and racism.
		I mean, this is, I'm telling you guys, this feels to me like the thing that they're gonna do for the midterms.
		This case is going to just be running throughout the system and people are gonna take all sorts of crazy positions on this.
		And just remember this, they're gonna make this like America's white supremacist state and blah, blah, blah.
		They're gonna make this kid into a hero.
		They're gonna somehow try to make the kid who is dead and the family, the bad guys, which is exactly what that guy did right there.
		And actually there's more on that, again, from this fake minister
unidentified		I asked, because these racist bigots, Try to prevent us from standing up for our baby, our boy.
		He should be afforded the same rights that Cal Rittenhouse had.
		Daniel Pena and all of the people who have claimed whatever their defense was, he should be afforded the same right.
		Nobody in the public media has one video camera, but we got the video of Cal Rittenhouse with an AK-47 shooting three people in the back.
		We got that.
		And he raised more than $2 million
		What do you mean nobody said anything?
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		People were calling Kyle Rittenhouse a racist and a white supremacist and all of these crazy things.
		As a matter of fact, he sued CNN, didn't he?
		And he won millions of dollars from CNN for calling him those things.
		But you're right, actually, in some sense, you lunatic.
		Carmelo Anthony, the murderer in this case, he is.
		Deserving of the same exact rights as Kyle Rittenhouse and literally anyone who's accused of a crime.
		He is completely deserving of a free and fair trial and everything else.
		But it's not racist and bigoted to call out what happened.
		And by the way, if it happened the other way, you guys would be saying exactly the same thing.
		A guy on X, Chris Ball, and we did a double check on this.
		It actually is true.
		He wrote this.
		This is Carmelo Anthony.
		His lawyer is convicted felon child abuser in Texas, of all places.
		They think they can beat the system.
		Can they beat the people is the question.
		There's some pictures of Carmelo Anthony.
		Look, I'm not, I don't even need to know what was going on with this kid before any of this.
		In some sense, it doesn't really matter, although there he is with a gun and giving the finger.
		In some sense, that doesn't matter.
		But the fact that this social justice warrior minister, who's not really a minister, yes, what was it in 2019, you said?
		2009 was convicted of child abuse.
		Like, I just don't even know what to do with this.
		And here's Virtus, another ex-user posted this, which is super interesting.
		They went onto CNN and into the search page.
		And if you search Carmelo, spelled the way that he spells it, K-A-R-M-E-L-O, there are zero.
		Stories about it right there.
		So you're gonna get a story about Putin, something else about Russia.
		Yeah. So again, this is one of those things where we're all gonna, there's gonna be reality.
		Some of us will be talking about a story.
		A certain type of fake news is when they ignore a story.
		A story doesn't fit the narrative, right?
		So let's do it the other way.
		If it had been a white kid.
		Who stabbed a young black man.
		And that young black man died in his twin brother's arms.
		This would be all over CNN.
		There would be riots in the streets and everything else.
		But what they're going to do now is hide the story.
		And the hatred and the lies and everything else, that will keep bubbling up.
		And it'll sort of be seen online.
		And eventually it'll burst forth into another BLM type thing.
		And again, my guess is it's probably...
		I have a pretty good track record on predicting things.
		It probably bubbles up enough, I don't know, maybe a little bit for this summer, but really before the midterm, something like that, and that will be the new race riots because they're hiding the truth from their people, right?
		It's important.
		People think fake news is, oh, it's just a made-up story or they misquoted somebody or the headline doesn't match the story.
		But in some sense, the most nefarious type of fake news is when they hide things from you.
		That is a type of fake news.
		Democrat James Clyburn, this is ancillarily related to what we're talking about, here he is saying that the Democrats are struggling because the media is just not left-wing enough.
		They just don't do enough to run cover for the Dems enough.
		And if they would just do that, then the Dems would be in better shape.
unidentified		Well, I think the message that comes from the Democratic Party is a good message.
		The problem we've got, Alex, is that we have to depend upon The media to deliver it.
		If we have the Washington Post, for instance, caving to this wannabe dictator, and we've got other media entities that seem to rather push a narrative that will bring eyes to their newspapers or to their television sets and not really give a fair hearing.
		But when you've got people saying we're not going to fact check, we're not going to worry about whether or not you're telling the truth, and just let the reports go out there, that's what's killing us as Democrats, because we don't have a stomach.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		I love Ali Velshi nodding along.
		Ali Velshi, wasn't he the one, not very fine people, Ali Velshi was the one with the explosions in the background, and like, oh no, everything's fine.
		It's mostly peaceful protest.
		Yes, okay, Clyburn.
		Yes, you don't have enough media.
		You're upset that the Washington Post has finally decided to be a little less partisan.
		When they were partisan on your side, it was completely fine.
		You guys don't have enough.
		You don't have MSNBC.
		You don't have CNN.
		You don't have Washington Post.
		You don't have New York Times, et cetera, et cetera.
		Maybe it's that people are getting their news from other things, and that doesn't mean that the other places are perfect, but people are getting their news from other things, and they're going, oh, your policies are bad.
		You people are liars.
		You are not for the people.
		You're radically against.
		Now let's contrast all of that with what Donald Trump is doing, because as I've been saying, the golden age could get here.
		It really could.
		But we have to keep our eye on the ball and make sure that when Donald Trump does good things, people know about it because everyone's always focused on the idiots, the grifters, the morons, the bad things, etc., etc.
		Check this out from Fox News.
		President Donald Trump is reportedly planning to pull an additional $1 billion in federal funding from Harvard University amid his public battle with the institution, according to a report published Sunday.
		The Wall Street Journal reported that the $1 billion is related to the elite Massachusetts Ivy League schools health research funding, according to sources familiar with the matter.
		"The latest report comes just days after the White House "asked the IRS to revoke Harvard's tax-exempt status "over its alleged failure "to address antisemitism on campus.
		"Harvard has been hiring almost all woke, "radical-left idiots and bird brains "who are only capable of teaching failure to students "and so-called future leaders," Trump wrote.
		"Look to just the recent past "at their plagiarizing president "who so greatly embarrassed Harvard "before the United States Congress.
		"Harvard is a joke, teaches hate and stupidity,
		Okay, there's a couple things here, guys.
		First off, why are these schools getting any federal funds?
		Why? Tell me why.
		How much is the endowment?
		$50 billion?
		$40 billion?
		They have about a $50 billion endowment at Harvard.
		They're basically a giant hedge fund.
		Why is $1, even if they were doing everything right, even if they weren't letting mass jihadis overrun the campus and stop kids from going to school and everything else, why should $1 of your money go to Harvard when they have a $50 billion endowment?
		It is a hedge fund more than it is a university.
		To teach young people things at this point.
		So that's one thing.
		The other part is, at the very least, you would expect a university, if it's going to get public funds, to not discriminate.
		But Harvard, we know, has gone out of its way to discriminate against Asians, whites, and Jews because they wanted more brown people in.
		And you might think, oh, it would be nice if more brown people are in.
		But you cannot solve past discrimination with current discrimination unless you'd like to create a generation of young people who will discriminate.
		Because they've been discriminated against.
		I know that generally, this is not lefties thinking these things through all the way, but that's where we're at with all this stuff.
		So they have created a situation where they are literally going against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
		They are literally going against the Supreme Court decision from two years ago that said you can't discriminate based on skin color when it comes to college admissions.
		And on top of the fact that they're letting their campus be overrun, and on top of the fact that Trump is right, that they've been teaching all of the worst things forever, which is why so many of the bad Ideas that then leak into our society are generated first at Harvard.
		Another place that they're generated, which is very depressing for me, is the NBA.
		It's why I don't watch professional basketball anymore.
		I watch old 1980s, early 90s basketball games because the NBA went woke.
		It went woke with BLM.
		It went woke with COVID.
		It went woke with the gender nonsense.
		And it's just unbearable to turn on a sport, which is usually your way of escaping reality and having them lecture you about what a racist you are and everything else.
		Here's Golden State Warriors head coach Steve Kerr.
		I would say he's the second worst when it comes to all of this nonsense in the WNBA.
		It's the same difference at this point in the NBA.
		Greg Popovich, Spurs coach, is probably the worst when it comes to all of this.
		Both white guys, probably in their 60s, who for some reason refuse to step down and give a young black man a chance.
		So I don't know why that is.
		You guys have all the money in the world.
		You've been doing these jobs forever.
		It's like, give a young black man a chance.
		There has got to be a young...
	It's got to be a young black man out there or a lesbian with a limp or something or one of these people who would like to somehow coach the San Antonio Spurs.
	But for some reason, you guys want your job while you lecture everybody.
	It's mostly because you want the job to lecture everybody.
	I think the coffee worked this morning.
	Here is Golden State Warriors head coach Steve Kerr defending Harvard.
unidentified		Oh, something going on?
		Tommy Amaker is a friend of mine, Harvard coach, and he sent me the shirt.
		Actually, we practiced there in Boston in November.
		He gave me the shirt and it felt like a great day to wear it.
		I believe in academic freedom.
		I think it's crucial for all of our institutions to be able to...
		Handle their own business the way they want to, and they should not be shaken down and told what to teach, what to say by our government.
		That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but it's kind of par for the course right now.
		So, yes, this is me supporting Harvard.
		Way to go.
		Way to stand up to the bully.
		Thank you.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		You know what sucks when I watch some of those late 80s, early 90s games?
		That's when he was a player.
		He was on the Bulls with Jordan some of those years, so I have to watch that schmuck then.
		Of course, everything he's saying is complete.
		Let's just try the reverse.
		Imagine if Harvard had created a situation where they were discriminating against black students.
		If they were getting white students and black students and they were coming in with the exact same grades and then Harvard had a policy to say, no, we want more white students over black students.
		He'd be telling you the complete reverse thing.
		Imagine if Harvard had a situation where for a year there were protests on campus so that black students couldn't safely get...
		He would be telling you the exact reverse thing.
		No one is telling Harvard, you have to teach these specific things.
		They're saying it needs to be a place of academic freedom.
		He's just an utter, utter fraud.
		But again, Steve Kerr, let me give you a little advice here.
		It's what they say with screenwriting 101.
		Right? Show it.
		Don't tell us.
		Show it.
		So show us how important social justice is for you.
		Step down, rich white man.
		How much is Steve Kerr worth?
		He's got to be worth at least 20 mil.
		Step down.
unidentified		Let a young black man take the helm.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		65 mil.
		He's worth 60. He'll be able to do some stuff.
		65 mil, Steve Kerr.
		Step down and let a young black man.
		Run the Golden State Warriors.
		I know we can find one.
		I'm gonna get out there today.
		I'm gonna go to some of the local courts here in Miami and find a young black man.
		I'm gonna say, would you like to be coach of the Golden State Warriors?
		Because there's this elderly white man who is in your way.
		Chamath Palapatiya, who's one of the hosts of All In Podcast Tech Legend.
		We've talked about him a bunch on the show.
		And former owner, by the way, former part owner of the Golden State Warriors.
		He saw the clip we just showed you and he said this.
		Steve Kerr is a hapless rube.
		He is blind.
		Finally defending an institution that, one, is a corporation with a $53 billion balance sheet, that's the endowment that I was talking about, masquerading as a nonprofit.
		Two, Phoenix, roll with me here, has the absolute worst scores for freedom of speech amongst all colleges in America.
		Three, was admonished and defeated by the Supreme Court because they were discriminating in their admissions process and violated the Constitution.
		Four, has allowed antisemitism to fester unchecked on campus to such a degree that it led to the ouster of their president because of her incompetence in dealing with it.
		Normally, when an executive at a company where I own equity speaks on topics beyond their knowledge and reveals themselves to be an idiot, I usually just fire them or sell my equity.
		Fortunately, I already sold my equity in the Warriors last year at the then all-time high, so this isn't my problem, but the total ignorance of these comments still stands.
		And that...
		Is the point.
		It's just fact after fact after fact and a ridiculous buffoon like Steve Kerr who is ruining professional basketball so that someone like me...
		Who loves basketball now does not watch your thing because of people like you.
		You are now just extrapolating that.
		Even years after so much of the woke stuff has been destroyed.
		Now let's connect this to some of what has been happening because it's not just happening, of course, on the campuses.
		It's happening in our city streets.
		So remember the clip earlier where Eric Adams, mayor of New York, was talking about how he'll work with...
		The president and, you know, he's against the woke stuff and he wants to clean up the streets and everything else.
		Well, this video is rather, I would say this is on a level of 10 out of 10. Shocking.
		We're getting a 10.5 here.
		Here is a pro, well, it's not pro-Palestinian.
		It's a pro-Hamas activist wandering around New York City with a fake, well, we think it's a fake, suicide vest.
unidentified		Enjoy. Beheaded Donald Trump.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so we're gonna show you the second part in just a second.
		So that guy is wandering around New York City with what appears to, we'll assume it's a fake suicide vest.
		I talked to a couple of people that I know in the NYPD over the weekend that saw that clip.
		The police basically would be within their full right to just shoot that guy.
		How would you know if that is a real or fake suicide vest?
		And what is this guy saying?
		What is he saying?
		I am four people blowing themselves up and maiming and murdering innocent men, women, and children.
		In the name of liberation of my people or something like that.
		So Eric Adams, just show it again for 10 seconds.
		Just show it for 10 seconds, this guy.
		Who is this guy?
		And Eric Adams, are you going to do something about it?
		Do you want this on your street, guys?
		Is this what we want to be allowed on the street?
		So we have these masked people and they wear the Hamas outfit and all of the stuff, but he literally has a suicide vest on.
		The Palestinians have not created a lot of things.
		You know, the Israelis...
		I've created endless amounts of technology and agricultural advancement and all sorts of stuff.
		The Palestinians, the only thing they've ever exported is terror.
		Suicide bombings, blowing up planes, hostage situations on ships, things of that nature.
		And now there's a guy that, imagine being a citizen of the United States, let's assume he's a citizen, and thinking, boy, you should be able to do that.
		You should be able to wander around.
		Absolutely insane.
		And if you think that's not insane, so Eric Adams, sorry, so Eric Adams, it's like, Get on it, man.
		Get on it, man.
		Don't just tell me that you're one of the good guys now.
		Get on it.
		I don't know what the law is supposed to do in a case like this.
		Do I believe in free speech?
		Absolutely. Should this idiot be allowed to be on the street and say whatever he wants?
		Yeah. Is he allowed to stop traffic and stop ambulances?
		No, but they let them do that already.
		But if you literally are going to replicate a suicide...
		How could someone...
		Imagine you're walking your kids to school.
		Oh, there's a guy.
		Well, I think it's a fake suicide vest.
		A society cannot operate like this much longer because eventually it's going to be real suicide vests.
		And I don't think we should be letting the police have to get too close to be like, oh, it turns out that was a toy.
		But here's more from one of the AOC rallies.
		I mean, the threats of violence will only be threats until they are not threats anymore.
unidentified		Headed Donald Trump.
		Are you calling for his death?
		I am.
		Yes, I believe it's time that the people straight cut his hat off.
		I believe that the minute that Donald Trump decided to start ignoring judicial orders, he gave up the right to be the rightful president of the United States.
		He's an enemy of the nation, and yes, I'd like to see him hung by his feet by a lamppost.
		You wouldn't necessarily call for violence, would you?
chris van hollen ▲ ● ▼		Are you supporting violence?
unidentified		Um... I think there's the people in power, that's all they're gonna listen to at this point.
		I feel like we've done the rallies, we've done all these things, and they don't listen, and that was something that finally got people to listen.
		Only way we're getting Donald Trump or J.D. Vance or his ilk out of power is having tens of millions of people in the streets, and probably, we're gonna probably have to have a few thousand people die at the hands of cops and soldiers before people get outraged enough to actually force the government to resist.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		I don't take my word for any of these guys.
		Take their words for it.
		That girl right there, she had Luigi Mangione on her shirt.
		So he's a hero.
		A man who just shot a healthcare executive in Times Square.
		Cold blood.
		Killed him right there.
		They're a hero now.
		They're telling you that they're going to have to kill people.
		So what do we do about this?
		And the problem is...
		That as a society, we really don't know what to do with this.
		We really don't.
		Whether it's the jihadis running around in the street or these brain-broken, woke weirdos, we don't know what to do with this because we want to defend free speech to every ability we can.
		And they're basically saying, we're going to have to kill people.
		Now, is that protected under the First Amendment?
		Yeah. If you started saying, okay, but we have to kill those people that are standing right there, now that's not protected, but they are whittling away and we don't have enough adults.
		We don't have enough adults to figure out how to deal with this stuff properly.
		But if we can't fix it, then the West has literally no chance, and I do mean that literally, because 20 years ago in the UK, when they had the jihadists taking over, they should have done something, and they all realize that now.
		And now we have, we just have a subset of people that exist, that their brains are broken through social media, through the lies of the left, everything, you know, being taught.
		For years and years and years, from junior high, all through going to Harvard, that America's evil and systemically racist and all those things.
		And now they're basically like, yeah, we have to kill Donald Trump.
		We're going to have to kill some of the billionaires, et cetera, et cetera.
		So, oh yeah, and we killed a healthcare executive, and now this guy, I'm going to wear a shirt of the murderer, and I'm the good guy.
		Oh, and by the way, if some young black kid kills a white kid who's a football player, he's a hero too.
		We better figure this out.
		I want to connect this to one other thing to bring us home today.
		And we're going to go back to Bill Maher for just a moment, but this was Friday night.
		He had my good friend, and I would say one of the most brilliant people I have ever met in all my years of doing this, who has a way of explaining deeply profound, often complex and controversial topics in a really clean way.
		And you can already guess I'm talking about Douglas Murray.
		Douglas Murray was on Bill Maher.
		Bill asked him about his appearance on Joe Rogan last week.
		So he was on Joe Rogan, and he was on with a comedian, and they got into it about sort of what is the responsibility of podcasters and people that talk for a living to either tell the truth or push back against lies and propaganda and everything else.
		And here's Mar and Murray on that.
bill maher ▲ ● ▼		Like us two, who recognize this as a big problem on the left, but also recognize...
		The horrible stuff that's going on on the right.
		You were on Joe Rogan a couple of days ago, a week ago, something like that.
		You got a lot of press.
		And I'm glad you said what you said, which is, I mean, I like Joe, but he has on people who entertain these crazy conspiracy theories and doesn't really push back on them.
		It's okay to have, I mean, I'm a free speech absolutist pretty much, but there seems to be no pushback on this.
		And, of course, what's going on in this country, what we're going to probably be talking about here on the panel in a minute, This kind of encroaching fascism.
		I mean, I was using the term slow-moving coup before he got elected the first time.
douglas murray ▲ ● ▼		Well, the right clearly...
		I mean, it's always interesting to see what happens at the point of victory.
		What do you do with your victory?
		And if those people on the American right who are now in the ascendant, if they decide that they want to use their point of victory to, for instance, lie about the origins of the Russia-Ukraine war...
		Or lie about the nature of Hamas, or lie about the state of Israel, or lie about history.
		I mean, the reason I did this pushback is, I mean, you just have to.
		I mean, you just have to, in my view.
		It's basic social hygiene.
		If you've got somebody who's coming along, who pretends to be a historian, who then can always do the thing of saying, oh, I actually don't call myself a historian, it's just other people I allow to call me a historian.
		I'm not a car mechanic, but if I kept on being introduced as a car mechanic, I would say, oh, no, you've got the wrong guy.
		So they don't mind it.
		They don't mind it.
		They have this slip-out.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so I'm going to show you another clip in a moment.
		But basically, what started this kind of catching fire online is that there now seems to be a question as to, A, who should be considered an expert?
		Should we care about what experts think?
		Clearly, the expert class failed us largely during COVID.
		We found out we have been lied to about so many things.
		I don't know that there's anyone...
		Literally in media, that talks more about the media's lies than I do, right?
		I mean, what have I done just on this very program itself?
		But I think the real question at the moment is what responsibility, now that the alt-media, which I am a part of, the alt-media is ascendant.
		Obviously, right?
		We now have the culture.
		And the mainstream media is descended.
		And they've lost control.
		And they'll always try to figure out ways to regain control.
		And you've got to give the devil his due.
		The machine always finds a way to recalibrate and all of those things.
		But as the alt media grows and the mainstream media falls, what responsibility do we have?
		Bill said it perfectly.
		He's a free speech absolutist, basically, is what he said.
		But everyone has some level of gatekeeping.
		This is just true.
		Bill doesn't put every single person on his show.
		Certain people get on his show.
		Joe puts certain people on his show.
		Not everyone gets on his show.
		I do that.
		Like, that's just reality, right?
		You have a finite amount of time, a finite amount of resources, and everything else.
		So the question is, as we are now ascendant, what responsibility do all of us that talk about the news have to do something that is true, to not just put people on who lie or anything else?
		And I'm not even making a commentary on anyone.
		I actually think that we have a pretty significant responsibility to do something that is true, because we are ascendant now.
		Maybe we had a lesser responsibility while these guys still had so much power, but as it has flipped, I think the responsibility has changed.
		Douglas kind of continued on that.
douglas murray ▲ ● ▼		These people I was trying to call out on Joe's show, they are doing things like Hitler wasn't that much of an anti-Semite.
		Main problem in the 20th century was Winston Churchill.
		Winston Churchill was the warmonger.
		Adolf Hitler wanted peace.
		And I just, look, it's a matter of social hygiene.
		Don't feed me this s**t.
unidentified		And this is all...
douglas murray ▲ ● ▼		And you know, there's obviously this crossover between the people who are just trolls.
		They say this because they think it's really fun to do the Jewish question, to do like a bit of Holocaust denial, a bit of Hitler praise, a bit of Churchill degradation.
		They think it's kind of funny.
		What they're watering and what's going to come up underneath them are going to be people who believe this rod.
		And a lot of people, you can clearly see on the right at the moment, are very happy.
		If you can denigrate the tradition of Winston Churchill and pretend that Adolf Hitler wasn't so bad, because then you can do things like Christian nationalism.
		You can do really, really tough nationalist stuff.
unidentified		You can buy Kanye albums.
douglas murray ▲ ● ▼		That's the last stage.
		That's like the ultimate.
		After they've absolved Adolf Hitler, they want to absolve Kanye, and then they're going to get to the point of hair.
bill maher ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a great book.
bill maher ▲ ● ▼		Everybody should read it.
unidentified		Thank you.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, nobody says it better than Bill.
		So, just to be clear, Joe can put anyone on your show he wants.
		I can put anyone on my show I want.
		That's the nature of gatekeeping, right?
		People email me every day, Dave, can I come on your show?
		I have to make some decisions about who we can put on the show, how we're going to do it, et cetera, et cetera.
		But I do think that there is some level of truth that is incumbent on people that are influential to do something truthful.
		And then you have to figure out what to do with that.
		I don't think we should listen to the experts on everything.
		Again, I don't know, especially if you were to take COVID.
		Like, who are you watching that was more critical of all of these people almost from the beginning than me?
		But we do have to figure...
		Because if we all just fall into this thing where we're just all going to be internet trolls, we're just going to destroy everything.
		For the sake of destroying it, because it's kind of fun, and it's cool to be like an anonymous nihilist frog person on Twitter and all those things, okay, we will literally upend all of the goodness in the world.
		And by the way, doing it just at the very moment where we have Trump, all these people on the right, they got the guy they want in office.
		Things are getting better.
		We're doing better with the border.
		We're doing better with trade deals.
		Like, we're scaling back the wars, et cetera, et cetera.
		So you got the guy you wanted.
		How about focus?
		It's what I've tried to do relentlessly.
		Focus on the positive instead of just burning down the store.
		How about that?
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		Jordan Peterson has said many times that he doesn't know if God exists, but he behaves as if he does.
		Or he'll also say something to the effect of that when he was in his early 20s, he started saying the truth for the truth's sake, meaning that if you said the truth, that it does not mean that good things are going to happen all the time.
		Of course they don't.
		But that if you tell the truth for the truth's sake, that that will be the best of all outcomes one way or another.
		Because otherwise, you're just adding more lies to the equation.
		And we've all been participating in insane lies constantly.
		As Douglas Murray talks about, we've decided to unearth things that we had settled a long time ago.
		The barbarians are going to be at the gate.
		They're at the gate right here, right now.
		And we're debating what gender pronouns they have, right?
		So I think that if you don't believe in something
		Well, in essence, you will fall for anything.
		And that is enough.
		That is a leap of faith, I would say.
		That if you say the truth for the purpose of it is true, whether good or bad is going to happen, it is a leap of faith to believe that that will lead to a better outcome.
		But I believe that is true, and that is a leap of faith.

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