Lindy Li joins Dave Rubin to expose alleged Democratic cover-ups, claiming President Biden suffered ignored cognitive decline by 2023 while a "council" including Anita Dunn and Mike Donilon ran the country. She alleges White House threats forced her resignation from the DNC after warning about his fitness, noting Hunter Biden's influence in high-level meetings and Congressman James Clyburn's pivotal role in selecting Kamala Harris. Li criticizes Harris's public speaking, refuses to vote for her or Trump, and details her cancellation by major networks following her revelations, concluding with her mission to prevent the current party's return to power through her upcoming book. [Automatically generated summary]
Everywhere I go, actually, people mention your name and hold you up as an example of someone who's really gained the loyalty and admiration of the entire party, including, by the way, Sean Spicer.
He was just singing your praises the other day when I was on with his show.
And, you know, I said to you right before we started, this is the first time we've ever spoke, but we did chat for about 30 seconds before the cameras rolled, that I'm always interested in people who are evolving, who are thinking about things a little bit differently.
And yours, especially to the backdrop of an election that was, you know, only five or six months ago, barely, is particularly interesting.
But before we get into the evolution...
And how would that all happen?
For people that don't know you, can you just give a bit of your background?
What led you to becoming a Kamala advisor?
And then we'll get into the politics of everything.
Yeah. And just tell me a little bit about your history, even before you got involved in the Biden campaign and everything else, just so people have a little backdrop to the sort of pre-presidential politics, Lindy.
And then, actually, I've always wanted to run for Congress because, Dave, let me tell you, this is just the truth of it.
If Republicans were...
My one issue, one of my major issues is clean air and clean water.
I really care about that.
I grew up, I was born in an authoritarian regime where pollution was so incredibly intense where you could slide your finger down the window and then look at it and it's black.
So I saw firsthand the environment is a huge issue to me.
If the...
If Republicans were stronger on that issue, I would have been Republican like 15 years ago.
Throughout 2023, I raised concerns actually before, but it really, I really started redoubling my efforts about Biden's cognitive decline because it was so apparent to me.
That there's something wrong here.
And I've known Biden for a long time.
I've known him actually not because of politics, but because I raised money for cancer research.
Cancer research is something close to my heart.
And I sat on the board of the American Association for Cancer Research.
We met through that, through a non-political arena.
So I saw the marked decline in Biden.
He was not like this in 2017 or even 2019.
I think the stresses of the office really accelerated his decline.
I'm not a medical...
Doctor. That's just my guess because it was so obvious to me.
In July 2024, I went on Fox News Sunday and I said it on air.
Oh, before I did, they threatened me because they print the Fox News Sunday guests the night before Politico, as you probably know.
And so the White House called me the night before saying, we know that you're going to be loyal, you're President Biden's most loyal supporter, which is so reminiscent of something you'd hear from the Godfather.
So they threatened me and then I went on and said my piece anyway, that Biden should step aside.
I got two to three angry phone calls on July 21st after my appearance on Fox News Sunday saying that Biden was too old.
Yeah. So you think that the people that you were talking to that were gaslighting you or ignoring you or saying everything was fine, do you think that they genuinely felt that or was everyone just kind of in on the unsaid thing?
It sort of reminds me of the ridiculous right now, whereas I'm sure you know about a month ago, Jake Tapper.
Part. People that were manipulating him, part people just going along with the flow.
Do you think it's just like multiple layers of everything?
And Jake Tapper in particular pisses me off so much because he's the one who went on air and repeatedly attacked people for bringing it up.
Yeah, Larry Trump, yeah.
Like making me feel crazy.
But I will be, I do will say, his cognitive decline notwithstanding, he was always kind to me.
I do want to make that clear.
This is very hard for me to do.
Biden was always kind to me, but that doesn't negate the fact that he was wrong for America.
And I can only apologize because it took me a while to see it.
Because I knew him, you know, in a private capacity through the cancer research.
He treated me and my parents so well.
And I kind of like...
Please forgive me, but I judge people kind of according to how they treat my parents, whom I love.
Like, they were just so good.
And my parents are immigrants, so for them to meet the United States president was just such an overwhelming experience.
And I'm so glad that President Biden was gracious.
But he was just completely wrong.
He shouldn't have been there.
He shouldn't have run.
He certainly shouldn't have run a second time.
But with Jay Tapper, he wasn't in the room.
I'd never seen him at any event.
All the intel from his book is secondhand, and he was one of the foremost proponents of the lie.
Dave, let's be honest what it was.
It was an outright lie that he was cognitively flipped, that he was basically a genius behind closed doors.
His book basically is like a slap in the face to those of us who are punished for bringing it up.
And I mentioned the White House, but I also got booted off of MSNBC and CNN.
I used to be on it all the time.
I was a regular.
After I raised the age issue, I was only on MSNBC once.
that was it.
And every time somebody would book me, I would find out like five minutes before the hit that Ian Sams, the White House spokesperson, would be replacing me.
And the first time it happened, I was like, okay.
Yes, I got my hair red and everything.
That sucks.
But life happens.
But then it happened again and again and again.
I was like, okay, this is clearly something's up here.
So they replace him and basically you guys are all kind of sat down or pretty much told to get on board this thing.
Were you hearing, you kind of implied this before, but were you hearing grumblings about how it was going to go down or when it was going to go down?
Or were there different factions in the White House that, you know, there was, it sort of seemed like, okay, maybe...
Joe didn't know exactly what to do or wasn't aware, but Jill kind of wanted him to stay versus some of the people that just wanted him to just get into the office of the presidency so then he could step down because people kind of thought Kamala was no good.
Like, what level or what did you see in all of that?
Putting the money part aside, and everyone knows he was having huge fundraisers with George Clooney and Obama not too long before the debate, but putting the money part aside, do you have any insider info as to what...
The day or two before he stepped down was like, I mean, we keep hearing that Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, you know, basically got him behind closed doors.
There's that other story about how they would hide him from people that were trying to get in.
Yeah. And I want to say, I first hinted at this on the Sean Ryan show, and then suddenly that new book that's coming out, Fight, I hate even mentioning it.
I don't want to give them free advertising.
But they were repeating something that I already said two months ago, like it's some new intel.
I will expand on that.
The role of Congressman James Clyburn has been seriously underestimated in the public sphere.
He played such a huge role in so many instances of Biden's recent life.
Starting with his 2020 campaign.
If it hadn't been James Clyburn, there would have been no Biden presidency.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that Kamala Harris is picked also largely because of James Clyburn.
And James Clyburn, the reason why I'm bringing it up now is that Biden's original intention, which Biden's original intention was to not endorse Kamala that day at all.
But the fact that Biden endorsed her so quickly afterwards was because of James.
So what's the connection between Clyburn and what most people seem to think, or at least the people who are talking about this, which is that it was this Pelosi-Schumer game.
And I do want to get to the Kamala portion of this.
And you've really, I would say, uncovered a lot of the nonsense that we could all see was happening with the campaign and the ridiculousness of it.
And then some of your own political evolution.
But just to fully get there, so do you have any insight into what happened on the day that Biden stepped down?
I mean, was there a meeting?
It seems that there was likely a meeting.
I'm trying to word this totally correctly, that there was likely a meeting with Schumer, Pelosi, at least, and Joe and Jill Biden, and it seems that Joe Biden wanted to continue.
That's what he told the ladies of The View.
He did not continue.
So do you have any insight into what happened that day?
In some sense, you're saying you were probably relieved because you didn't think he had the mental capacity to be president, and in essence wasn't the president.
It was president by committee.
Now it's Kamala, just a couple days later.
Were your initial feelings like, okay, this will be better?
But with Kamala, I came here to be fully transparent and honest with you.
Kamala Harris has always been So I really wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt.
I've been to her holiday parties.
I've been to so many things at the Naval Observatory.
Every time there's a major event, I would be there.
I know Doug, too.
I really wanted to give my friends the benefit of the doubt.
And people ask me why I didn't leave sooner.
Do you know how hard it is to leave your entire world?
These people aren't just political figures to me.
They were my friends.
They were my entire universe.
I just quickly realized this is not someone who can lead the most powerful nation on the face of the earth.
I also didn't want to cause a mess by saying that I was leaving.
It's kind of like this is an airport.
You don't have to declare your departure.
I kind of just...
Stopped fundraising in the middle of September.
She had a good debate, frankly, but a lot of the things that were going on in the party, I just couldn't stand for it.
It completely shook me that they didn't respond to the gender-affirming surgery ad.
I'm very much against that.
I've always been against that.
I fought against the leftists in the party five years ago.
People think that I just jumped out of nowhere and I've been a conservative.
No, I've been fighting the left flank for like half of my life.
AOC called me out on Twitter saying that I would, at that time it was Twitter, because I hinted that I would rather vote for Trump than Bernie Sanders.
And so she crucified me over that.
And I remember crying so hard that I broke the blood vessels underneath my eyes.
At that time, I didn't have experience getting canceled.
Now I'm canceled every week, and I'm not cancelable.
But at that time, it was my first cancellation, so to speak.
And because I dared to question the leftist narrative, and because I said we need to move back to the center.
Actually, five years ago, Ben Shapiro provided me a home because I had no home.
And so for me, this is not overnight.
Frankly, I've been occupying the middle ground for all my life, and they've been lurching the left, and I've been moving, shifting to the right, because as you get older, you get wiser.
So I look back on those videos that so many people remind me of all the time, why I left the left on PragerU.
It's been seen like 40 million times or something.
And I look at the video and I'm like, it's hard for me to even look at myself.
So it's a weird...
Dichotomy between like success and then also that I was going through something that, and by the way, when you tell me that, that you've gone through some health things as it relates to all this, I've heard that a lot from people that go through this because suddenly your side hates you and that is so, that is such a slap in the face.
It is so at odds with everything that you want to believe as a liberal.
That the liberal side will be acting illiberal, that it puts you in this position.
Exactly. And suddenly, the party of DEI, actually some fringe actors on the right also, have, I don't even, you know the Streisand effect, you shouldn't really amplify lies.
You're going to have a whole bunch of new people finding you from this that have been through that journey.
So that's the beautiful thing, right?
Like you tell the truth and then new people find you.
That just is it.
But so as you were breaking now and you're starting to realize, boy, she is not ready to do this.
Did you feel that the subtext to that was that this was the final move of the Democrats going completely crazy to the left?
Like it wasn't just about that maybe she was incompetent, but that whatever you were She was, you bring up a really good point, Dave. Yeah, I just, she was pretending to be a moderate when I distinctly remember her praising woke on stage.
I just don't understand, because when I speak to her on a one-on-one basis, she's not an idiot, I don't think.
Unless my powers of discernment are completely off.
But when she talks on stage, she just...
Her brain completely melts.
And it occurred to me that we don't just have one leader in cognitive decline.
We had two.
And I just don't trust her to be handling our nuclear arsenal.
I mean, this is no joke here, okay?
This isn't some playground political thing.
This is our nation at stake.
So at the end of it...
Because the left had gotten so crazy and doubled down on identity politics, and the chair of the party who continues to attack me to this day for calling him out for lying about Biden's cotton decline, he called me a narcissist for pointing that out, by the way. I don't know what that has to do with me.
I was talking about him.
But these people who love identity politics were running the show.
I couldn't bring myself to vote for Kamala.
I left it blank.
And I'm going to be honest with you.
At that time, I couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump either.
I'm speaking out on immigration, which is something I really care about.
They call me a slut, chink, whore, cunt, whatever.
On a daily basis.
And all that is fine.
I mean, it's not fine, but I can survive it.
But when you attack my family, and you find their address, you find my, again, with my parents.
When you attack my parents, who have frankly had nothing at all to do with this, it just, it's not, it's like beyond crossing the line.
And then when you defame me to the point where a member of the Trump team has to offer me a lawyer, I now have Tim Palatori, who represents Pete Hegseth.
We share the same lawyer because you're defaming me on both the right and the left.
You can call me whatever, but you cannot defame my character and call me a traitor to this country.
I love my country.
I love America.
I would do everything for my country.
I would go to war.
I would fly a bomber jet and drop bombs on our enemies for this country.
I would do anything.
I've condemned our enemies, Communist China, more times than I can count throughout my life.
They killed my great-grandfather.
I hate that regime.
Xi Jinping is a piece of shit.
So you can call me whatever you want, but you cannot defame me.
Maliciously, you just can't.
And so that is what bothers me.
It's not the name-calling.
It's not the harassing.
It's when you maliciously make things up about me that you know not to be true.
And then there's one person who did, and I gave her an hour and a half to prove it.
This evolution, this wake up, all of these things.
Now it's post-election.
You're talking about some of the corruption that you've seen that you've laid out here.
And you've now gotten sort of welcomed into the more conservative world.
You've been on a lot of the shows.
You've talked to a lot of these people.
Has any of that been surprising to you?
I mean, if I go back 10 years, I remember when I started doing it, the thing that I really was surprised by was that...
Everyone was nice.
Conservatives were kind and decent and loved to agree to disagree and would break bread with you after and that they were fun and smiley and happy and generous of spirit and they weren't just concerned about money and war.
And as sort of ridiculous as that sounds, I think a lot of people go through that period and yours obviously not in the too distant future, if you agree that that's fair to say.
A former boss of mine screaming at me like a lunatic, so it didn't take much to push us together.
But tell me a little bit more about, do you feel that your politics have now evolved, let's say post-election?
So you get welcomed into this new world, you're with a lot of these conservatives now, these are people who you were about to vote against, you know, six months ago.
Do you feel that you've shifted in any way ideologically, or do you still think that you're kind of the same and the party's gone, which obviously a lot of people say that sort of thing?