Dave Rubin, Abigail Shrier, and Clay Travis dissect Governor Gavin Newsom's contradictory stance on transgender athletes, contrasting his initial agreement with Charlie Kirk against his pivot to mental health and climate change. They critique California's specific laws regarding sanctuary status and prison access while analyzing Democratic mayors' spending failures and Representative Al Green's censure. The discussion culminates in a call to prioritize family formation over social media distractions, framing Newsom's political maneuvering as a calculated PR strategy that alienates conservative voters despite his claims of empathy. [Automatically generated summary]
All right, since everyone knows my feelings about his inauthenticity, and it's just word salad, and I don't know, maybe be sympathetic to the girls who are having the shit kicked out of them by the boys in all of the sports and all that, Abigail, this is actually, like, this is your expertise.
This is what Irreversible Damage, well, this is what both of your books were about.
You are a great mother, and I know your kids, and it's like, man, this guy, come on!
After creating, making California into a sanctuary state so LGBTQ minors could run away from home and run to LGBTQ youth centers where, yes, trafficking has occurred.
They were liberating themselves from loving parents in this way, thanks to Gavin Newsom.
We had men self-IDing into women's prisons and abusing women.
That's still ongoing, thanks to Gavin Newsom.
He decriminalized loitering with the intent to engage in prostitution, so human trafficking has skyrocketed in the state.
He stopped, this is just last year, he stopped schools from informing parents when teachers had transitioned their daughters.
That was another bill from last year.
He amended our sex offender registry so that 24-year-olds could now engage in anal and oral sex with 14-year-olds without ending up on that registry, again, thanks to Gavin Newsom.
And he decriminalized intentionally exposing your sexual partner to HIV. That's decriminalized under Gavin Newsom.
So, you know, this guy is really as phony as they come, and unfortunately, he's done a great deal of damage.
Clay, I started with Abigail there because I knew she could do the bullet points of Gavin Newsom evil.
But can you just talk about the thing that he does with this fake empathy thing, the way he presents everything, that somehow he's just a nice man dealing with these difficult issues while he ushers in all of the things that Abigail just laid out?
I'm sure Abigail has been through it, whether it's soccer, basketball, baseball, flag football.
I have coached everything.
Let me tell you what happened just a couple years ago.
So one of the ways that you kind of graduate from boyhood to adolescence is there's a 12U baseball tournament.
It's awesome.
Cooperstown, New York, your team can go.
It's really extraordinary.
If you're a baseball fan, you can go to the Baseball Hall of Fame.
I had to bring, and this is a perfect dad screw-up, I had to bring an actual copy of my son's birth certificate because in Little League sports, once you start to get a mustache...
Those kids dominate, right?
Puberty makes a huge difference.
Anyone who has ever played, you look at a kid and you're like, there's no way that kid is 12. He's got a mustache.
He's driving a Mustang.
And to bring the actual birth certificate to Cooperstown, New York, I lost the actual birth certificate, as dads often do.
My wife was not happy with me.
But that's how much of competitive fairness is embedded in something as simple as, What's the difference between 12 and 13 and 14-year-old boys when it comes to their ability to dominate at that level?
And some dads and moms are willing to cheat historically, so you have to bring an actual physical copy of your child's birth certificate to be able to compete.
Every parent there, if a 14-year-old competed, would lose their mind and would say, this is completely unacceptable.
You know what's far more unacceptable?
A man being able to compete in women's athletics?
Everybody knows this.
Anyone, white, black, Asian, Hispanic, who has ever competed in athletics on any level knows that this is the reason why men's and women's athletics are separate.
This is not a shot at women's athletes.
I love all competition.
Best man or best woman can win.
But men are bigger, stronger, and faster than women.
And so, Dave, to me, I started off, as you know, As just a guy who loves sports and wanted to talk about how awesome it is, that's why I founded OutKick.
And this became the litmus test for crazy.
Were you willing to publicly say men who identify as women shouldn't be able to compete?
No Democrats were.
Almost no one in all of sports media.
I've gotten ripped to shreds by other sports media members for this.
And suddenly, out of nowhere, after only two Democrats in the House, after zero in the Senate, Gavin Newsom just decides to cannonball in on his first ever podcast and say, hey, you know what?
It is deeply unfair.
Yeah, no doubt.
But what is the play here?
I just don't trust Gavin Newsom at all.
But I do understand that he recognizes Democrats are on the wrong side of an 80-20 issue.
If you want to have empathy here, you would have empathy for the girls who are being beaten by the boys.
That's where the empathy should lie.
You can have empathy for a young child who's confused about their gender identity, and there can be discussions about that, but that doesn't mean you put them in with the girls or whatever.
But you're totally right.
What he's trying to do is now lead them back after he led them the other way.
Here's Gavin on transgenders.
This is from a couple months ago.
Just to show you the flip.
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I don't know if their kids are transitioning at school.
I mean, first off, the way he purposely conflates this with climate change, implying that you can only pick one thing to care about.
That's one thing.
But this other idea that he's constantly, constantly moving the ball, that he's out there promoting these bad ideas and then pretending he has nothing to do with them.
Let me give you another law that ought to scare every parent.
When your child hits the age of 12 in the state of California, thanks again to Gavin Newsom, you no longer have access to their medical records without their permission.
And if a child decides to seek inpatient treatment in a mental health care, including an LGBTQ facility, you've lost her.
You have no shot of intervening.
I know parents who have lost their kids to this.
It's extremely hard to get your kids.
Back out of one of these youth shelters once they have liberated themselves from you.
So the problem here is that I think a lot of Democrats are going to do what Gavin Newsom just did, try to rehabilitate their image.
And it's effective.
The problem is if they don't change their policies, they're going to be just as damaging.
And look, the entire purpose of having my age of majority and age of minority laws is because we recognize That kids who are under 18 often make awful choices and awful decisions.
That's why on my programs, I've been talking about this a lot.
You know what my wife would do?
Spring break is next week.
I'm going to be out with my kids in California and in Colorado.
If I took one of my kids to go get a tattoo, my wife wouldn't murder me.
If I did it in Tennessee for my 14-year-old, I would actually be criminally prosecuted because we say, like, hey, you know, that barbed wire tattoo that you got when you were 14 around your bicep, which was super cool when Pamela Anderson used to do it back in the day, right?
It may not age that well.
So we at least are asking that you wait to get permanent tattoos, which can exist on your body for a long time, until you're after the age of 18. And if you're a parent who facilitates that in any way...
You're allowed in some states now to, and I can't believe this is real, but I do think it's important for parents to realize it, to have surgeries given to your kid, which could permanently sterilize them when they are 14 or 15 years old.
And in many of those same states, you're not allowed to go take them to get a tattoo.
The entire point of parenting is, hey, let's try to keep our kids from making disastrous, life-altering decisions when they are too young to understand and comprehend the full consequences of those.
Also tonight, one of the biggest names in the Democratic Party is making a surprising break with the rest of Dems tonight on one of the country's most hot-button issues.
California Governor Gavin Newsom criticizing transgender athletes who participate in women's sports during the debut episode of his new podcast.
I revere sports, and so the issue of fairness is completely legit.
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And back here in California, new at noon, Governor Gavin Newsom facing backlash over comments made on his new podcast.
The debut episode featured Charlie Kirk, who leads a conservative organization called Turning Point USA. During the 75-minute conversation, the governor suggested Democrats were in the wrong by allowing transgender athletes to participate in female sports.
Well, California's legislative LGBTQ caucus blasted the governor's comments, writing in a statement, quote, sometimes Gavin Newsom goes for the profile and courage, sometimes not.
He woke up, or we woke up, profoundly sickened and frustrated by these remarks.
It felt to me like Gavin Newsom's people sent this to the New York Times and NBC and CNN, their PR team, because they wanted it covered.
I was stunned by how quickly this spread.
And it reminds me, guys, I'm going to go old school on you.
Do you remember Sister Soulja, I think was how you pronounced her name, back in 1992 after Democrats had lost, gotten whipped in 80, 84, 88?
Bill Clinton kind of repudiated gangster rap and the idea that police should be victims.
And I went back and read all about it May of 1992. And it was the sign that Bill Clinton was the new Democrat.
And Clinton basically today would be considered a conservative Republican, frankly, with much of what he said and did in office.
And it felt to me like, whatever the math is, 40 some odd years later.
Gavin Newsom is trying to do a version of that, right?
That we've got a pivot underway and he's recognized how crazy Democrats have gone and that repudiating the far left wing of his party on a sports-related issue that is 80-20 nationwide is actually very calculated and he wanted all the attention and all the blowback that he got because it felt like to me this was in his first ever podcast.
Broadcast largely by him and his team to get a lot of attention.
And immediately, nobody else thought about you, who's just 24-7 flooding the zone, owning this space, every day getting a convert, every day picking up 1, 2, 10,000 folks, continuing the momentum, coming out of this damn election.
And then I'm thinking about, we're going to stand back and watch you?
Run circles around us for six months, the next two or three years, waiting for the moment to finally strike?
Struck me as not necessarily the best advice, and it's not a knock on Carville, who I have deep respect for.
You have to fight your way against all media to create an audience when you're competing on the internet.
Back in the day, these people were just gifted.
Hey, you're one of the three shows that's on in cable news, and you're only competing against three people.
And I think what the Democrats got used to was their ideas were automatically given credence because of the New York Times, the Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN. And they didn't have to actually compete in the marketplace of ideas.
Whereas you, me, Abigail, we don't have the benefit of a huge PR. And I thought he got exposed by Ron DeSantis in that Sean Hannity argument.
We all know the arguments of the left.
We are well-versed in them.
We could probably make them better than Gavin Newsom could.
A lot of them don't understand our arguments because they've never had to compete in the marketplace of ideas.
And it's made them flabby.
It's made them unable to realize what actually connects.
And frankly...
I think it's made them huge dorks.
We don't talk enough about just what losers they look like.
This is not the table of kids you want to sit with in a high school cafeteria, right?
They're boring.
They're lecturing.
They're hectoring you.
They're the schoolmorms.
And it doesn't surprise me that they fail on the internet because they don't know how to be normal.
Abigail, I mean, again, you're in L.A. where I fled because of what they were doing with all the lockdowns and school closures and all of those things.
But that, even that right there, he was like, my kid couldn't come see you, Charlie, because he was basically saying, oh, my son's a fan of yours.
But he couldn't come today because he has to go to school.
Same guy who kept kids out of school for literally two years.
Yeah, I mean, this man, what he has done to families, what he has done to kids is really something that should disqualify him from ever being part of public life again as a representative.
Unfortunately, a lot of things are won on PR battles.
And right now, he's figuring out how to sell himself to the American public.
Well, I will end this segment on Lizardman with some breaking news, which is that my team is now in touch with his team.
Communication has gone both ways.
And I am more than happy to do the podcast as long as it is 100% unedited.
I would prefer it be live, but we will see what happens.
So stay tuned on that.
And in honor of your dorks and dweebs, we've got a couple of clips for you coming up in a second, Clay.
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Clay, I believe you said the word cringe, Here is example 32B. You know,
Well, they're not allowed to have facial hair, the two oldest, but I kid them a lot about the mustache growing in.
I mean, the first time when it happens.
But all of their friends and everybody that is around them, all races.
They overwhelmingly support Trump, and they see—this is one thing where I do think Gavin Newsom is right, and I think Charlie Kirk has been skilled, and I think the Trump digital team has.
I think a site like OutKick has made a difference.
I think Barstool has made a difference.
They just see the Democrat Party as profoundly feminine in nature, and even that Choose Your Fighter video— I'm sure you saw Tim Walls freeze when he was asked, hey, who is the face of the Democrat Party right now?
Dave, I don't know if you saw me tweet this, but Tim Walls is the man that a middle-aged lesbian would pick to try to appeal to other men, right?
You look at this and they've just lost the ability to have a normal conversation with young men and men in general.
And they're hemorrhaging white, black, Asian, Hispanic.
This is overwhelmingly.
And Dave, what I saw that I thought was so great about Tuesday's address for Trump, Trump showed a great deal of empathy.
I think if you're a suburban mom and you just happened to watch that and you had heard from MSNBC and the New York Times for 10 years that Donald Trump was Hitler and then he's...
Shouting out Lakin Riley's mom and sister and Peyton McNabb, who had the injury during the volleyball match, and the 95-year-old mom's getting her Russian captive son back.
All of these things are incredibly empathetic and normal, and Democrats have lost the ability to just be human.
And it comes back to their inability to connect on the Internet.
I think, again...
Because they had all of these media outlets that artificially inflated them for so long, they don't know how to actually compete in a true open marketplace, and it shows.
So, you know, Piers does these big panel shows, and what's interesting about them, and I've talked to him about this privately, it's like...
And this is not out of school to say.
The problem is that you're right, Clay.
We know their arguments better than them, so they can't get lefties other than sort of hysterical.
Kind of old socialists or children.
So to that point, this video is making the rounds.
This is Harry Sisson, who is this, you know, 18-year-old or so kid, and Chris Mowry, another one of them, who are sort of the faces of the young Democrats.
And tell me how authentic and thoughtful this is.
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Trump's like State of the Union speeches tonight.
It's not a real State of the Union, but we're opposing him, Elon Musk, and all their insanity.
Hanging out.
It's a good time.
Fighting for the country, which is good.
I have two Jordan 4s on right now, looking, I can't lie, looking fresh as fuck.
But Harry...
I got some normal dress shoes on, man.
This guy's like...
No, you look fresh, man.
You look fresh.
Thanks, man.
I appreciate it.
But we're not really doing anything right now.
We're just gonna post it up.
Honestly, I've been looking at these hauls and it makes me really sad because I realized January 6th insurrectionists were rating this stuff.
Look, for the first time in a very long time, the right is cool, okay?
This is an unbelievable moment in history.
It won't last on its own very long, I don't think.
I mean, it's true.
They're never tested because they're never in the Wild West of the podcast world, which is what I had to go on when I wrote my first book because no one else would take me.
And so you get tested in a way that they have not been.
But I do think, remember, they have the worst policies.
They have the worst values.
And I do think they'll figure out the PR piece real quick.
So I don't...
I don't think the advantage that the right currently enjoys is so big that we think that they can't figure out how to do a podcast and appear authentic in relatively short time.
I'll just say one last thing, and that is I do believe conservatives to some extent were protected because they were so uncool.
And here's what I mean.
They didn't have people like Russell Brand glomming onto them and becoming exponents for the right because Because they were so uncool.
So you had people actually with conservative values speaking for the right.
Right now, we don't have that.
We have everyone trying to glom on to and speak for this MAGA movement.
And I think that that ultimately could be a problem.
And I'll just offer one quick stat.
Overwhelmingly, that's exactly right.
They had a lot more enthusiasm for Trump.
But if you look at their values in response to surveys, they very often had values of Democrats.
So the question is, yes, they voted for Trump, but will that continue?
2020. So that was 2020. And I remember you even saying to me before we sat down, which was the first time that we met, that you could not get on any left-leaning or mainstream media shows.
And Clay, you've been through that.
I've been through that.
That's what unites us.
Let me throw to one other video of this kid.
So this is Chris Mallory, who was one of the kids we just showed you, with Cory Booker.
And I don't even know what's going on here.
I'm pretty sure this video is gonna have to be deleted from the internet.
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People feel angry and they feel angry into the void.
Everybody competes in an open marketplace, and you have to be smart, original, funny, or authentic, and oftentimes these guys are none of those things.
When you're 18 years old, I'm going to be honest, if you are super obsessed with a joint address to Congress, you're kind of a loser.
I mean, seriously, there should be way more fun things for you to be focused on.
I'm not saying you can't and shouldn't care about the larger context of the country, but if you're in the halls of Congress saying, I just feel so sad to be here right now because it reminds me of January 6th.
Aren't there pretty girls, or if you're gay, good-looking boys for you to be chasing around?
As you age, yes, okay, get involved in the political space.
But I think one reason Democrats have a hard time, think about this.
To your point on the Big Ten, it's like most of the so-called manosphere is actually comedians making jokes and occasionally Trump comes up.
It's like Jake Paul and Logan Paul wanting to get in boxing matches and occasionally politics might come up.
It's a UFC fight where everybody cheers when Trump walks in, but then they're like, okay, let's go back and watch these guys beat the crap out of each other in the octagon.
The politics isn't the central tenet of what they're doing.
It's just a part of the larger ecosystem.
Democrats seem to think that what people want is the hardcore politics.
It's just kind of common sense.
And Trump has parachuted into the conversation as common sense.
Then he leaves and the conversation continues.
It's the difference between frosting on the cake and it being the cake itself.
And Democrats, again, because they haven't had to compete on the Internet, don't really understand that.
This is a fun show.
You do a fun show, Dave.
We don't always win, right?
We try to do fun shows and be entertaining.
If I'm walking around like, this is the hall where January 6th occurred, it just utterly devastates me.
There's no 18-year-old who's like, oh, this kid speaks to me so perfectly.
That's what I'm thinking about in my free time.
They're Snapchatting nudes to each other and trying to pick up girls or guys or whatever else.
That's the reality, whether you agree or disagree with it.
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So, you know, another thing that lines the three of us from kind of different walks of life, something that lines us up together is post-COVID and what happened to the world and how crazy everyone went.
And Abigail, I keep saying it, not to insult you, you do live in Los Angeles.
If you're referring to the 2022 up to 2024 of the buses coming from Texas, roughly the same percentage of the state of Texas, about 1% of our overall budget.
So to the city of Boston, just understand that your mayor does not care how much of your resources she has spent on people who are not citizens of the city of Boston.
That's probably why Brandon Johnson has a 6, S-I-X. 6% approval rating in Chicago.
They went from Lori Lightfoot to Brandon Johnson and somehow got worse on their mayoral select.
And I do think, as you watch all of those individuals, this is the downside of not having competition, right?
Democrats have basically decided inside of cities, we won't even consider Republican arguments.
And as a result, I think every city resident gets a worse outcome.
The entire purpose of competition is, in theory, it makes everybody stronger.
But when you don't allow it to occur, you actually end up with far worse outcomes, right?
And so I think the Democrat brand delivers such awfulness that a part of me wonders, when is the Rudy Giuliani of Chicago or L.A. or Boston or New York City going to rise up again?
And when it gets to that point, it might actually be too late.
And then the other problem is so many people have fled that finding that Rudy Giuliani, he probably lives in Nashville or Miami now.
So that's a bit of an issue.
Abigail, you know, my friend Gad Sad is writing a new book on suicidal empathy.
And when I was watching that clip, that's what was ringing in my head.
Because it's like the four of them, if you took them, they all really still, despite all the crime, all the drugs, They still think they're the good guys.
And that's similar to what we started with with Gavin.
Look, I think the challenge with people like Mayor Wu is they don't ever get pressed on a question that I think is a very valid one.
Now, thankfully, the southern border is shut down, but how many people does Mayor Wu think we should welcome in the United States?
I mean, there are 7 billion-ish people around the world.
The vast majority of them would do whatever it takes to be Americans.
We are incredibly fortunate to have been born in this country or to have become a citizen of this country.
Poor people from around the world.
What is the number that Mayor Wu?
And I also think this is emblematic.
Remember, it didn't take very long for Martha's Vineyard to say, oh, the number is too high, right?
It was like 50 people landed at Martha's Vineyard and they called the state of emergency and they had to bring in the state guard and everything else.
I think Boston is a little bit protected because it's so far from the southern border.
Because, frankly, the winter is so cold that they don't get the influx of illegal immigrants that other states and other cities do.
And so, as a result, they can sit up there and they can lecture the rest of the country.
But I would ask Mayor Wu, OK, you believe that America should be the shining city on a hill and that every immigrant should see that light illegally and come into this country.
What would be too many?
When would the number 2U reach a level where it is contributing in a significant way to a decline in quality of life for American citizens?
I've never heard her ask that question.
I would love to know at what point would she say, okay, enough's enough.
So this is Anna Polina Luna, who is now, to your point earlier about how Republicans fix things, then Democrats make, you know, Democrats screwed up, Republicans fix, and then we end up in this cycle.
Well, now she's referring the four people we just showed, those mayors, to the Department of Justice.
So you don't believe that banning the transfer of individuals into ICE custody for the purpose of civil immigration enforcement encourages illegal immigration into Chicago?
To me, after this line of questioning, it's very clear that these policies that you have all implicated are active and alive and well in your cities are in direct violation with U.S. Title VIII Code Subsection 1324 and is a federal offense.
But you all speak about a broken immigration system, and yet here you guys are aiding and abetting in that entire process.
I want to be very clear about something.
Open border policies, which is something that you guys are talking about, Hurts people on both sides, meaning the people that are coming here illegally and then American citizens as well.
I do not think you guys are bad people, but I think that you are ideologically misled, which is why, unfortunately, based on your responses, I'm all going to be criminally referring you to the Department of Justice for investigation.
And as soon as I leave here, these will be going over to Pam Bondi.
I'm not doing that in an effort to bully you guys, but I do believe that your policies are hurting the American people, and you can make that known with the evidence that you can present to the Department of Justice.
But if you guys continue doing what you're doing, you're not going to help anyone.
You're going to hurt more people, and that's exactly why I'm tired of it, the American people are tired of it, and Chairman, I yield my time.
Well, I mean, certainly my wife doesn't trust me to dress myself.
So we're about to go on spring break and she's telling me what I should pack.
I do think that the quality of life aspects, I thought Anna Paulina Luna handled that great.
Look, I don't hate you.
I just think you're misguided and I think your philosophy of governance is wrong.
And I think you can build on what Abigail pointed out.
I'm stunned when I go to a blue city and a blue state and...
You can't even buy toothpaste now, even in nice neighborhoods, without having somebody unlock it.
Like, ultimately what you're doing is destroying people's ability to work, right?
Because the overall revenue is going down in addition to the thievery that requires it.
And we all know how to fix this.
We all know that if you arrest people and if you prosecute them, that criminal people who are choosing to make voluntary choices will adjust their behavior as a result.
The entire purpose of having the criminal justice system in the first place is that people are predominantly rational and they understand that there will be consequences when they break the law.
And for our immigration system, everyone By and large, who is coming into this country is breaking the law.
My favorite, you mentioned COVID earlier, Dave.
You could walk across the southern border without a COVID shot, right?
And come right into the country and start living.
And they wouldn't let Novak Djokovic in the country to play tennis because he hadn't gotten the COVID shot.
And I always wanted him to just kind of put his tennis rackets on his backpack.
And walk across the southern border just to make the case like, hey, I'm here for the U.S. Open.
But instead of coming in on an airplane flight, not having the COVID shot, I just decided to walk across the southern border.
And now I'm here and I don't have any restrictions at all.
But this is just emblematic of different standards that we applied based on the way that people arrive.
And all we're asking for is some semblance of basic reality.
Like, I have to wait for somebody to, oh, who's stealing deodorant?
Like, it's $3, $4, right?
Like, who's buying it?
The fact that we have this mass thievery has destroyed many of these businesses because the entire purpose of them is the convenience of buying a product easily.
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And of course, the low light was Representative Al Green, who I just thought was a homeless pimp who got in there and started protesting with the cane and the screaming and the very poorly shaven face here.
He was now censured by the Democrats because they do seem a certain portion of them are doing this sort of weird pivot to the center.
And they sang for him, the ones that were less pleased than that.
and that Representative Al Green be censured with public reading of this resolution by the speaker. - Just to be clear, so Mike Johnson, obviously the Republicans censured him I think some of the Democrats went along with it and it's just, Clay, it's just more of that.
Well, remember, it wasn't very long ago, I think 2009, when a Republican congressman was censured for merely saying you lie during the Obama address, and everybody was in disbelief that it would ever happen.
And now you got a guy with a cane.
Literally standing in the well of the House trying to stop the President of the United States from addressing the nation.
And somehow that's a direct attack on American representative democracy such that you have to sing a civil rights anthem afterwards.
I think, again, the average American is just aware that this is all BS and that really the Democrats have...
No real ideas and their failure to stand for American heroism and just the honoring of people who have dealt with incredibly awful circumstances in the gallery, I think is emblematic of their inability to address some things on a basic human level.
And it's why their party is collapsing right now and doesn't seem to have any true opposition to Trump.
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I think that every American, whether they acknowledge it or not, feels that when they see this list of mumbo jumbo and phony garbage and leftist causes that our money was being sent to.
It really is.
It was it really has been a masterstroke watching him go through and expose that.
And I think it's really good politics.
And I think that there's very little response to it.
So I really hope, you know, the administration can stay on message about that and not get, you know, to show many because the actual what's being done is very, very good.
Clay, my main question there is, why is it that every time I go to Costco, I see people walk into Costco using their legs and suddenly they have to get in those little devices to walk around Costco?
I actually understand it at Disney because it lets you cut to the front of the line.
I don't know if you get an advantage at Costco and you don't have to wait in line, which can actually get pretty long.
I don't know if they're outsmarting me or not.
I will say that Congressman Steve Cohen...
It is interesting that he was asked that question because he's the only Democrat congressman from the state of Tennessee.
And do you know what district he represents, by and large?
The city of Memphis.
And it is overwhelmingly made up of actually black voters.
You know who definitely doesn't think that men should be playing into women's courts?
Black dudes.
Black dudes are not in agreement with the white guy in the rolling cart there about whether this should happen.
And by the way, on Elon's front, You know, he voted for Joe Biden and he voted for Hillary Clinton.
He didn't endorse Donald Trump until July after the Butler assassination attempt.
The attempt to try and make Elon Musk into some far-right-wing South African apartheid-supporting racist Hitlerite is one of the craziest moves of all time that they have attempted to put in place.
To me, Elon seems...
Eminently rational.
And he views everything through the prism of, we gotta make humans a multi-planetary species.
What makes it more likely for us to get to Mars?
And right now he thinks a strong United States with a balanced budget, which doesn't seem crazy to me.
- That was a big evening. - So there was that hug in the White House, The big hug moment really to me was during the speech when he got the award and he hugged.
I mean, if you didn't get chills during that, if you didn't feel something during that, as opposed to Nicole Wallace over on MSNBC who went on a crazy tirade about it, it's like...
At the end of the day, Clay, he just likes people, right?
The analogy I've made, and he reminds me of actually the parent that used to, that you would be in the house of.
You know, Buck and I interviewed him at Mar-a-Lago.
We finished and he wouldn't let us leave.
And he said, you have to have the milkshakes here for your drive back to Miami.
We have the best milkshakes at Mar-a-Lago.
And it just reminded me of like the dad.
When I was a little leaguer, that's like, we got to go to Dairy Queen.
You guys had a great game.
Everybody's got to go get ice cream, right?
I think what the American public has come to see is that the characterization of him as evil, you can disagree with him on some policy issues.
That's normal in America.
But the idea that this guy is Hitlerian in nature is just so fundamentally different than his actual persona that finally, at long last, it's blown up on Democrats and just doesn't work.