Dave Rubin and Russell Brand analyze Donald Trump's first-day executive orders, including rescinding 78 Biden directives, withdrawing from the Paris Climate Treaty and WHO, pardoning 1,500 January 6th participants, and forming the Department of Governmental Efficiency with Elon Musk. They debate the ethics of Biden's preemptive pardons for Fauci and committee members while discussing potential Special Forces deployments to Mexico, 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico, and a TikTok deal involving a 50% U.S. stake. The conversation highlights a shifting media landscape and a new cultural coalition featuring Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Jordan Peterson, and Dr. Oz, signaling a profound departure from traditional partisan divides. [Automatically generated summary]
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Hello, I'm Dave Rubin.
This is The Rubin Report.
We are live on location at Rumble Studios here in Washington, D.C., which I'm told later today Trump will sign an executive order officially renaming it Trumplandia.
We'll see about that.
Maybe just a rumor.
I don't know.
And there is just an incredible amount of stuff going on in this city.
You know, this is a place that for the last four years has been pretty freaking miserable.
Every time I've come back here, I enjoy what I do.
In this studio and the people that I interview and that sort of thing, but the city itself with the amount of people who work from home and the homelessness and the crime and everything else, it's been a pretty terrible place.
But I can tell you, having been here for 72 hours, the energy in this city, the cast of characters, as I said yesterday, it just feels like the Muppet show.
Just everywhere you turn, there's someone else that you know, whether it's a media person or a tech bro or a politician, and everyone is excited for America.
Again, it's a really, really wonderful time.
My friend Russell Brand, I am told, is running here from his hotel right now.
He will join me as special co-host.
On the show in just a second.
But it really has been just a wonderful couple days.
I was at the Maha Ball last night with Bobby Kennedy and Jordan Peterson and Dr. Oz and Brett Weinstein.
It was just, again, this crew of people that you don't think are all supposed to be together, certainly under the MAGA or Trump brand.
And it's just working.
And as I tweeted out this morning, man, the left right now has just been...
Demolished.
Who is left?
Even the sane voices like a Bill Maher, let's say, or a Stephen A. Smith or that Lenny guy, you know, Charlemagne the God, I call him Lenny.
They're all basically saying, I'm not going to complain anymore.
So who is left?
It's a bunch of jihadists and socialists and let them have that because we're going to do great things.
And that's largely what today's show is all about.
So let's just dive right into it.
It's not just Donald Trump dancing with a sword.
Let's show you a video of him signing some of these executive actions because it's not just reversing a lot of the lunacy of the Biden presidency.
I don't even think I'm going to say Biden anymore, just the man.
It's the Biden presidency because it wasn't him.
I accept that it was a four-year presidency of him.
It wasn't Joe Biden.
But it was a reversal of a bunch of the executive actions and nonsensical things that the Biden administration did and then laying out some new stuff as well.
Oh, a tiny soap, a shampoo, as if it's a remnant of a fallen civilization.
Dave, you're so brilliant in your show.
It's so lovely to come in during the ad break and just to see that I actually, when I was watching, I was watching on the monitor and I was thinking, this guy really understands the deep ulterior currents of political movements because...
I've been so caught up in actually being in Washington and how cold it is and the bewildering spectacles of...
We were literally trapped in the barricades last night and Trump's going by us and we're outside for about 45 minutes in basically two degree weather and you didn't have a jacket and I think you still only had one by hand.
But what I've forgotten, because the sort of spectacle is so overwhelming, is actual, immediate, political executive orders are happening straight away.
I mean, even that, I said it yesterday, but it's like how bizarre.
If you would have told the founding fathers 250 years ago, That a president is going to have to get up there the day he's being sworn in and say, there's a difference between boys and girls.
The founders would quite literally flip their wigs.
I suppose what I reckon that indicates is that we don't want the...
Political realm to be ideologically oriented when it comes to cultural or even, in that instance, biological matters.
Imagine if you were watching this, and I suppose you probably wouldn't be, but you were a trans person or someone that was interested in identifying outside of the conventional order.
And I think that that's the bizarre thing is the only way you're going to get these people to feel loved is we have to acknowledge reality and then we can love people individually.
The first item that President Trump is signing is the rescission of 78 Biden-era executive actions, executive orders, presidential memoranda, and others.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you, sir.
The next item here is the withdrawal from the Paris Climate Treaty.
Yes, sir.
We're going to save over a trillion.
we're going to save over a trillion dollars by withdrawing from that treaty.
So just to give you guys a little context about the day.
So the reason they did that in Capital One was because all those thousands and thousands of people were supposed to be at the mall when it was going to be outside, but obviously it's been frigid.
They moved the swearing in into the Capitol.
But the fact that Trump even shows up just to be in front of those people, sign those executive actions there.
I was just saying to Russell, we were at the rumble party last night at about 11.30, midnight, something like that.
And Trump was still on TV live giving speeches and the ball and the dancing and everything else.
I mean, the guy...
We'll get to the substance in a sec.
But just, like, the show part of it and, like, the endless energy.
Like, I took a 15-minute nap yesterday.
The guy just doesn't do it, and he's fueled by McDonald's.
He's the epitomizing embodiment of modern America, and what his detractors didn't realize is that he is somehow the conduit of a spirit that people were not able to understand.
Of course, an American mystic would live on McDonald's and Diet Coke and fly around on an airplane with their name on it.
It's funny, you gave a speech last night at the Maha event, and you said that on stage, and everyone laughed, but it's like, these are the people who want the high fructose corn syrup out of the soda, and they want McDonald's to use beef tallow and all that stuff.
I don't know what the impact of human behavior is on the epochal shifts of climate and meteorology.
But I do know that the bureaucracies that have power in that area generally use that power.
To impact negatively the actions and freedoms of individuals rather than focusing on ideas that empower people and inhibit large organizations.
So I don't know what's real when it comes to ecological disaster.
I don't know how policy will be mandated around that.
But the reason people don't...
What I do recognize, Dave, tell me if you agree, is that the reason people don't...
Trust these various accords is because it always comes down to, and that's why you've got to live in a 15-minute city, and that's why you can't go anywhere anymore.
Right, and we're going to keep flying on our private jets with foie gras, but you're going to eat flop out of a bucket.
Well, actually, I think you basically just said exactly what Trump has said, a little more eloquently, because his position basically is he wants clean air, he wants clean water, just like everybody, but...
Because the point is, is the environment significantly better in these four years under Biden when we were in the Paris Accords as opposed to the four years we were out?
But let's jump backwards for a second and talk about the guy who left the office of the presidency.
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All right, so let's jump back to the Biden administration for just a second, and I promise you we'll get back to Trump and all the good stuff in the future is bright in the golden age, et cetera, But Biden did issue a couple of these pardons and executive actions in the last second that are unbelievably awful and I would say borderline criminal.
And we don't even know if he knows what he did.
Check this out from the Daily Wire.
President Joe Biden issued pardons on Monday morning to Dr. Anthony Fauci.
We discussed that yesterday, obviously, 4.
Former U.S. Army General Mark Milley and members of the Democrat-run January 6th committee just hours before President-elect Donald Trump's inauguration.
Both Fauci and Milley were vicious critics of Trump and previously reporting indicated that Biden would issue the pardons to stave off any potential criminal charges that might be brought against them during the second Trump administration.
The issuance of these pardons should not be mistaken as an acknowledgement that any individual engaged in any wrongdoing, nor should acceptance be misconstrued as an admission of guilt for any offense, Biden said in a statement.
Our nation owes these public servants a debt of gratitude for their tireless commitment to our country.
So, Russell, before I even get to pardoning family members and his brother and a whole bunch more, the Fauci thing to me...
There's two things happening here.
The Fauci thing is like, man, this guy did some really bad stuff.
We all know he's done some bad stuff.
And that one seems obviously evil to me.
The January 6th one actually seems worse than that.
Like, I'm going from obvious evil to like double obvious evil because the January 6th one took part in the people who were investigating.
They're not under investigation for anything, right?
We know that now Trump's in power, he's going to go on a mad Stalin-esque rampage of impugning, imprisoning and impaling all of his enemies.
So to make sure Trump doesn't do that, all of his likely victims are granted immunity.
That's what they all say they're doing.
But what it seems more like they're doing, if you look at the footage from the Capitol and the various controversies that have surrounded January 6th, is they're like, oh no, now we're not in power anymore.
It's going to be exposed that we use January 6th to legitimise a lot of regulation.
And possibly that the people on that committee participated to a deep degree.
Maybe were informed of, look, this whole thing, we need this to go this way.
So now they're being pardoned because they exposed themselves.
And probably they said, in the event that Trump wins, we will grant you a retroactive pardon.
So I suppose why the January 6th one is in particular...
Troubling is it's because what all of us have been through in the last few years is, oh no, the conspiracies are true.
Oh no, the COVID conspiracy, true.
Fauci, true.
Jan 6, true.
Twin Towers, true.
JFK, true.
So what you start to sense is the more that you unpeel power, the more we're going to be exposed to the fact that they were actually behaving in a deliberately malevolent manner.
And there actually is quite a lot of evidence that much of what he did was not based on science and six feet social distancing and closing schools and telling friends that they didn't have to wear masks while he was telling us to wear masks.
What's your general position on jailing people from previous administrations?
Because to me, it sets a very dangerous precedent.
Because we'll end up always doing it.
And that's how you end up in Banana Republic.
I'm not saying nobody deserves it.
Fauci, I actually think, does.
But what it starts setting in motion, I would always be a little worried about.
If we were trying to make a case for jailing Fauci, what is it?
You do feel like he deliberately misled people.
You feel that he was across DARPA. You feel that he misused the CIA. He manipulated the media.
lied under oath about mRNA research at the lab and where they got funding to health which is but the problem is that i tell you why it's difficult to jail them is because they just do actually they're doing their job that's what fauci was supposed to be doing at that time so it's the entire system itself that is corrupt and you'd be jailing everyone indeed i've said this about covid in my country and in yours
but the reason you can't have the inquiry that's needed is if you had that inquiry you'd have to dismantle the pharmaceutical industry you'd have to get rid of the fda you'd have to get rid of the nih you'd have to look at the HHS. And the reason I'm optimistic about this...
But with Bobby Kennedy, Jay Bacharia, Dr. Oz, Mike McCurry, you have people that are outspoken opponents of what happened in that.
So the jailing Fauci is kind of, it might be kind of fun.
Let me show you one other thing on the pardon side, because this also gets to just the absurdity of everything.
Again, from the Daily Wire here, Joe Biden issued more pardons for his family during the final minutes of the presidency as he took to shield them from potential future criminal prosecution.
He pardoned his brother James Biden, James Biden's wife, Sarah Jones Biden, his sister Valerie Biden Owens, Valerie Owens' husband John T. Owens, everyone in this room is shaking their heads, his brother Francis Biden.
I'm not even going to read, I don't even have to read the rest.
None of these people have been accused of any crime as far as I know.
The crime is the Biden crime syndicate that they were using influence or something like that.
But again, doesn't it say?
He did this 15 minutes before Donald Trump was sworn in.
And again, does he even know what he's signing?
They put the piece of paper.
Do you think he has the wherewithal to even, I think in this case he probably was excited to sign it, but it's just like the whole damn thing.
Hunter could have done a couple more days of pedophilia!
Oh no!
Like, I mean, it's a desperate mad thing, and I'm not suggesting that Hunter Biden is a paedophile, but even if I did it, Max has probably been pardoned for that already.
Yeah, he's good to go either way.
They're pardoned.
In fact, I'd like to take this opportunity to say that Jill Biden is a cannibal.
Pardoned.
Doesn't matter, does it?
Pardoned.
So, I suppose, but would it not be possible, like, if the, right, what they'll say this is, is to preemptively provide a prophylactic against Trump's presumed despotism, we're having to pardon everyone.
Well, if he was a...
Despot of that magnitude, he'd go, and by my new executive order, I have got the power to reverse pardons.
Because he's going to be getting on with pulling out of the WHO or coming out of the Paris Accord or just getting on with probably energy deals and geopolitical stuff.
Well, I guess what you said before is the right thing, which is that it's a Trump line, sort of, but in essence that success will be the ultimate retribution.
So it's not necessarily that you have to jail these people as much as you just bring in...
Jay Bhattacharya, and you bring in all of these other people, and Oz and everybody else, and Elon with Doge, and we just will succeed.
And congratulations, you guys did a lot of seriously evil shit, and you're going to probably skate away on it, but we're going to fix the country in the meantime.
I suppose so, because look, this is why, Dave, as you know, I have continual recourse to spiritual values, because otherwise everything seems sort of too desperate and awful.
I would say forgiveness and focusing on what you're supposed to be doing.
What will be fascinating is their ability to govern.
And in a way, I see it as the canary in the cage, Bobby Kennedy.
Once Bobby Kennedy is confirmed and is leading the HHS, then I'll feel like, well...
Then Trump cannot be a villain of the magnitude he's detractors claim because he has just empowered Bobby Kennedy over big pharma and big food and to a degree agriculture.
He's just put a radical anti-corporate figure into a position of significant power.
And if then Kennedy is surrounded by the coterie that we keep listing, Makari Bhattacharya et al., beloved Dr. Oz, who we love so much, then he...
Then surely, even, and I say this because you asked the question, are you still a person somewhat of the left?
I'm anti-establishment.
I'm pro-freedom.
That sort of, as you know better than anyone, used to sort of be the left.
And that's why I'm interested, you know, when you talk about 2016, when you were already in the Trump camp, you said that this is different, it's more genuine, it's more, not diverse, but more varied, and more sort of powerful in a variety of interesting ways.
We were also talking last night, real quick, about how interesting it was at the Maha Ball last night.
Because it doesn't make sense politically.
There's all these first-time Trump people there who have been lefties and liberals their whole life.
So you were saying how all these people now come up to you, and it's different than when people used to come up to you as an actor and, oh, I love your movies or I love your comedy.
Now they're like, oh my God, you helped wake me up.
You literally changed my life.
And that's what they say to me.
It's a very bizarre notion.
And I would say out of there were...
I don't know, two dozen balls last night, but I think there were two dozen balls last night.
And I see when people come up to you and go, oh, thank you that you told me this and you told me that and thank you, you helped me with my journey.
And there's a kind of sense of relief, but also bafflement that people that are interested in psilocybin research and people that are interested in yoga and wellness and health now suddenly recognize their best bet is this McDonald's consuming billionaire tycoon, but also bafflement that people that are interested in psilocybin research and people that are interested in yoga and wellness and health now suddenly recognize Yeah.
All right, so of course, of course he's right about that.
Russell, we're back on the internet.
We're live right now.
Of course he's right about that, that if Donald Trump the first time around had pardoned Junior for crimes that don't exist, or Eric, or Jared, or whatever, we know where we'd be at.
But since irony is dead, we're just going to show you a clip of Democrats, mostly MSNBC people, talking about preemptive pardons before yesterday.
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Have you ever heard of somebody getting a preemptive pardon who was innocent of all crime?
Who's just an innocent person?
Have you ever heard of that?
Just somebody getting a blanket pardon and they're an innocent person?
But no, it's the president's own family.
It's people that have been covering up for the president in addition to his own family.
Is there an innocent explanation for someone to seek preemptive pardons for family members?
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Would you do that?
If you knew you were innocent and just worried about outside forces?
The answer to that is going to be no.
If you haven't done anything wrong, you sit there and go, what do you need a preemptive pardon for?
If he pardons people preemptively, he's essentially telling the public that these...
People have committed crimes.
And we may not be aware of what they are, but the pardon is clear evidence that crimes have been committed.
First off, we should just take a deep breath and acknowledge the audacity of a president who's so clearly concerned about his own criminal culpability and that of his family members that pardons are a major obsession with him.
The idea of a kind of prospective pardon, this sort of Permanent federal get-out-of-jail-free card.
That seems to be what we're talking about in the case of this, right, with Giuliani and his three eldest children who, as far as we know, have not been convicted of a crime.
Maybe they've committed a lot, and they don't want to face action.
I don't know.
It's weird.
I wouldn't ask for a pardon.
I don't think I deserve one because I don't think I've done anything criminal.
But, like, where does that come from, that concept that you can just kind of wave your magic pardon wand?
I couldn't understand how they were talking about preemptive pardons in such a derisory manner when you and Phoenix explained Trump didn't preemptively pardon any of his acolytes or family members.
I would say the difference between guys like us and them, though, is that you can go back into my 10 years of video history and find things that I got wrong, for sure.
Predictions I made that were wrong, or I thought this was going to happen with the red wave, or whatever.
But you won't see me blatantly taking a position years ago that I can't explain why I evolved on.
Versus what they're doing has nothing to do with...
It has nothing to do with, like, a philosophical change.
They are amplifying control and power, and so they have to retrospectively get it to make sense.
Whereas there are sometimes journeys of, oh, I used to believe that this was okay, but now I can see that it's not good to retrospective.
But they should say, they should be saying now...
Retrospective pardons are unforgivable, whether it's Hunter Biden or Donald Trump or whoever it is, because the principle of retrospective pardons is wrong.
And if they're not saying that, then they don't have a principle.
They're just amplifying power.
And on your predictions, you did correctly predict that Biden wouldn't finish his term, that he would resign.
So when I saw that, I thought, I can trust Dave on predictions.
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But check out this clip from the televised mental institution known as MSNBC, where you can see a certain set of people see the worm turning and they're given a little hint on how they're going to operate.
This George Will column gets to a point the Democrats need to understand that for half of America, this embodies popular culture.
And he embodies what they want out of a president far different than what the other half of America has ever wanted from a president.
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Democrats, instead of at this point, if the Democrats brought me in, instead of saying what Donald Trump is doing wrong and all the things wrong, start to look at what he's doing right from a winning point of view.
From a winning point of view, once again, he is giving the people what they want.
But the reason I wanted to show that clip to you is because you can see how there will be a certain set of these people who are absolutely apoplectic and crazed and he's Hitler and all these things.
But a certain set of them will not go the completely bananas crazy route.
When he was up in court for one of the various charges, it would have been difficult to imagine an inauguration where Zuckerberg and Bezos were in attendance.
That's already happening.
And the media is starting to repo.
So what I think will...
Yeah, you're right.
There will be a bifurcation.
There'll be the kind of never-Trump media that will just continue.
But this is why I suppose what's so significant is the nature of these executive orders and the type of legislation that takes place, particularly initially.
Because what I'll be looking for, just as an individual and to have my own understanding, is to see the reassuring signs that, no, hold on a minute, he hasn't just...
He hasn't jailed a load of political opponents, or he hasn't just pardoned a load of his relatives.
It's hard, I think.
I'm very influenced by propaganda, so I have to stay close to facts.
And that's why I enjoy watching your show, because you'll be able to explain to me, this is MSNBC. Prior to Trump's departure, saying, if he pardons those people, that's terrible.
And then, what are MSNB saying now?
Maybe they're right now doing a show going, what?
Biden's evil?
Oh, no!
But I doubt it, because look at what they're actually doing.
But by actually saying that there's a state of emergency, we can start doing things like protecting the border and building the wall and making sure that...
I don't know, terrorists and jihadists and fentanyl dealers and MS-13 gang members, et cetera, are not coming in to the United States.
That would be pretty good.
Russell Brand has returned.
He's doing something on the floor.
He's got his glasses.
Oh, oh my God.
It's not that kind of show.
Rachel.
Rachel, I would remind you, Rachel, that the people that have been coming in, the 10 to say 15 million people, probably more who have come in in the last four years.
Many of them probably are not so into witty lesbians.
So you might want to rethink what's going on because actually it's scary Donald Trump who's going to protect the liberal world that you live in.
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All right, so yesterday obviously was an unbelievably positive day and a reset of America, and it really is just the beginning.
And as we've illustrated, you can see so many things changing for the better right now, and it's all emanating from really about a half mile away from here.
Pretty cool.
But of course, we weren't going to get through day one of the Donald Trump presidency without somebody being mislabeled a Nazi.
And in this case, it was not Donald Trump himself, but it was Elon Musk during this speech.
each take a look.
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Yes!
Yes!
This...
This is what victory feels like.
Yeah!
And this was no ordinary victory.
This was a fork in the road of human civilization.
Okay.
This...
You know, there are elections that come and go.
Some elections are, you know...
This one really matters.
And I just want to say thank you for making it happen.
Thank you.
My heart goes out to you.
It is thanks to you that the future of civilization is assured.
Alright, first off, lady, no, your viewers are not smart.
They are dumb by definition, and that's exactly why you like them.
He did not make a Nazi salute.
It's completely ridiculous.
First off...
The way he even comes out, the reason we wanted to show you the first video, the way he moves his body, everything, like, he talks about, like, this, like, sort of autistic cool thing, like, the way they've made, like, autism not cool exactly, but there are these people that they live more in their brain than their body, so their movements sometimes are a little bit weird if you see him jumping up and down and swinging his arms.
So he's touching, he's talking about his heart, and then he's basically like, you guys, like, did I just make the frickin' Nazi?
Absolutely.
It's so idiotic.
And, you know, the self-righteous nature...
You know, the same people, the same people who have been defending literal jihadists calling for the genocide of the Jews on our college campuses, on our streets, in our institutions, etc., are suddenly very upset because of an arm movement that Elon Musk made in a very stilted way.
It's completely ridiculous.
I'm only even showing you this just to quickly put it to bed so that if you're sitting at dinner tonight or you're with a friend and they're like, oh my god, he...
They already are out there with the Nazi symbols.
You can just debunk it yourself rather quickly.
And on that note, ladies and gentlemen, the Nazis are not here.
We're going to be fine.
The future is going to be bright.
There really, really are great things happening in this country right now.
I know you can feel it.
I've met so many people in the last 72 hours who are just so absolutely overjoyed.
And as I said...
To Russell before, particularly at the Maha Ball last night, none of, not none of these people, a huge percentage of these people were not Trump supporters four years ago.
They still don't consider themselves, say, true Republicans or conservatives in the most strict sense.
But they love America.
That is the thing that we have back.
So yes, will there be an over-the-top apoplectic media that will continue to lie?
Will you get the Muppets like Chris Hayes and the people like Rachel Maddow that will manipulate and all of that stuff?
Will you get the ridiculous nonsense on CNN, our audience isn't stupid, while they tell you that Elon Musk is a Nazi?
All of these things will continue.
But as it continues, their strength is waning.
It's not as important anymore.
It really isn't.
I mean, I can tell you, even being in this city for the last 72 hours, the amount of people that were at, you know, seeing the online influencers, right?
Like, you know, seeing Jordan Peterson or the Daily Wire guys out there, the media that's here is way more exciting to the average person to meet someone and take a selfie with someone.
Then it is like, oh my god, it's Wolf Blitzer.
Wolf, you've taught me so much about politics, Wolf Blitzer.
It's Dana Bash.
Oh my god, I love Dana Bash.
You'd have to be stupid to be feeling that.
So we've had a complete culture shift.
We've had a political shift.
We've had a media shift.
It's here.
It's just the beginning.
We always have to watch out for the bad guys, and they're there still, and we're going to have to deal with that.
But the future is bright for this country.
The golden age is coming.
I'm super psyched.
And I would even stay in D.C. for an extra day.
That's how positive it's been, despite the fact that it's 7 degrees.
However, I'm heading back to the free state of Florida, so we will be live in studio tomorrow at 11 a.m.
I thank you guys for watching, and I believe we've got a cold close of Trump and a guy you probably won't hear much more of in the future.