Nov. 3, 2024 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| What's weird is when you're talking to people who you've known for years and they don't recognize you, and I'm trying to explain it, and the craziest thing is every single conversation is, I don't want to talk about it. | ||
| And it's almost as though I love you too much to talk about it with you. | ||
| It's fascinating. | ||
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I just did this with a friend last night, and she was sweating. | |
| And I was like, just tell me, let me try to explain. | ||
| I don't want to talk about it. | ||
| You're making me very uncomfortable. | ||
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It's a crazy world! | |
| Crazy world! | ||
| Somebody's gotta have the same views. | ||
| It's a crazy world. | ||
| It's a crazy world. | ||
| Somebody's gotta have the same views. | ||
| Joining me today is a world-renowned fitness expert and the host of the Keeping It Real podcast, Jillian Michaels. | ||
| Jillian, hello. | ||
| How are you? | ||
| This is my last interview. | ||
| I thought I did. | ||
| I interviewed Callie Means a couple days ago, thought that was my last one before the election. | ||
| You are officially the last one before the election. | ||
| No pressure. | ||
| Which means could be my last ever interview, depending on what day the world blows up. | ||
| No, we're not going to think like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I refuse to go down that rabbit hole until it's a reality we're faced with. | |
| So this is just, I'm just one of many more to come. | ||
| Well, it is a pleasure to see you first time in person. | ||
| I feel like our worlds have been getting closer and closer and our circles keep overlapping in some sort of... | ||
| Mala Harris, like Venn diagram kind of situation. | ||
| There's a ton that I want to talk about. | ||
| Some will be about some of the political stuff and fitness stuff and all that. | ||
| But why don't we just start real quick? | ||
| Give me like the one minute thing for the people, for my real hardcore political people that maybe don't know you. | ||
| I feel like everyone knows you or has seen some of the videos on YouTube or the old DVDs or the stuff or this or that. | ||
| But yeah, give me like the one minute. | ||
| One Minute is a lifelong career in fitness, wellness, health advocates, apps, DVDs, books, websites, all in that genre. | ||
| And I recently teamed up with Bill Maher's Club Random Studios. | ||
| To take my health podcast and bring it to video and expand it into other areas of wellness. | ||
| And our paths have crossed simply because health has become a bit of a political football, which has opened my eyes quite a bit. | ||
| You're like in the thick of that kind of wake-up thing right now, from what I can tell. | ||
| It is... | ||
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So hard to comprehend. | |
| And you know what's weird? | ||
| Is when you're talking to people who you've known for years and they don't recognize you. | ||
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And I'm trying to explain it. | |
| And the craziest thing is every single conversation is, I don't want to talk about it. | ||
| And it's almost as though I love you too much to talk about it with you. | ||
| It's It's fascinating. | ||
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I just did this with a friend last night and she was sweating. | |
| And I was like, just tell me, let me try to explain. | ||
| I don't want to talk about it. | ||
| You're making me very uncomfortable. | ||
| It's so interesting because from watching you and listening to you and the interview that I did with you, which is on your channel, we did it about a month and a half ago or so, it was really probably the most enjoyable interview I've done all year because it is so obvious that you are open, you are listening, you're on the path of learning, you're not judging, but I can also sense you're sensitive to having an audience that's kind of everywhere politically and you've been dragged into this in a bizarre way. | ||
| I definitely think that unintentionally people on the left have felt alienated. | ||
| And the part that's so unfortunate is those are the people I'm trying to speak to more than ever because it's like, hey, iceberg. | ||
| You know, you feel like you're on the front of the Titanic and you see the iceberg and you keep trying to tell everyone. | ||
| And they think you're the one that's brainwashed. | ||
| It's the craziest feeling. | ||
| It's interesting that you just said that the people on the left feel alienated because generally it's been the people on the right over the last couple of years culturally. | ||
| But I think maybe inadvertently you just said something pretty profound because it's like the people on the left now are starting to realize they might be losing the culture war now because they're losing people like you and they lost people like me. | ||
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That's it. | |
| That's interesting. | ||
| That's hopeful for right before the election. | ||
| I must be honest with you. | ||
| I do think that these massive defections Will inevitably have an impact. | ||
| No. | ||
| And that's what I keep saying is the more you expand your purge bubble, Every single person that I've had on my show has been a disaffected Democrat. | ||
| I had a kid on Tony Robbins asked me to cover a film that he executive produced about trafficking. | ||
| And it, of course, inevitably impacts or reflects upon our border policies. | ||
| But he's like, I want you to cover this. | ||
| I knew nothing about it. | ||
| Can you do a Tony Robbins impression if you can get that voice? | ||
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Do it! | |
| Jillian! | ||
| Jillian, how are you, Tony? | ||
| Hey, girl, you're looking good. | ||
| You're looking good, Jillian. | ||
| Honey, honey, honey! | ||
| The gravel in that voice. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| You can't even begin to embody him. | ||
| He's just so full of energy. | ||
| My gosh. | ||
| Nevertheless, the kid that made the film, it was completely locked out of media, shut out of all the film festivals, and he's like, I was a lifelong Democrat. | ||
| I don't even understand what happened. | ||
| My dad Was trafficked into a sweatshop. | ||
| I wanted to make a story about what my dad went through. | ||
| And now I've been labeled alt-right and nobody will cover the movie. | ||
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It's the same story, Dave. | |
| Somebody injured by the COVID vaccine. | ||
| Lifelong Democrat wanted to do my part and join the AstraZeneca trial. | ||
| Lifelong Democrat. | ||
| Lifelong Democrat. | ||
| And they just, they purge you when you don't comply. | ||
| You live in crazy Los Angeles, as we referred to it around here. | ||
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I don't. | |
| Really? | ||
| So there's a kind of a long story short here. | ||
| We moved out of LA. And then my family stuff that I had go on. | ||
| And Bill records there. | ||
| So now we did have to get a little place that we come and go from. | ||
| But we kept an apartment here in Miami and we're building our main home in Jackson Hole. | ||
| So it's close enough to LA that I can get there in like an hour and a half. | ||
| In and out, same day. | ||
| And go back and forth to Los Angeles because I just can't. | ||
| I refuse to go. | ||
| I mentioned Los Angeles. | ||
| Well, first off, the fact that someone like you in the entertainment biz and that's been involved in all of this forever would have that feeling towards LA, which now sort of everyone has. | ||
| But I mention it because during COVID, when I would go to the open up the state, open up the city protests... | ||
| I thought I was going to meet all these Trumpers and these right-wing people and MAGA hats and whatever. | ||
| Every single person there was a Democrat who just owned a restaurant that wanted to go to work or they wanted to wait tables again or they worked in the industry and they wanted to be able to hang lights or anything else. | ||
| So this thing that we're talking about has made, I would say, largely apolitical people become very political. | ||
| Totally apolitical. | ||
| Zero interest in this field. | ||
| Did you have no interest in politics? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| When you were selling all the DVDs and you're showing off your abs and that whole thing's blowing up, I guess it was just a completely different time. | ||
| Not only was it a completely different time, but it's the perfect way to alienate an audience. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, oh, let me label myself and then let me make sure that you don't intersect with my Venn diagram. | ||
| I'm this and I think you should do that. | ||
| The last thing I needed, know nothing about 90% of that world. | ||
| I have a vague understanding, vague, of economics and geopolitics. | ||
| It would take me years to get up to speed to really understand the nuances of all the things that go into politics. | ||
| But when you grab my line of work and you make it political, well, you forced me into the space. | ||
| So was it a COVID moment first for you or was it something before that? | ||
| It started as a COVID moment. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Because you could see the crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And one of my favorite ways to explain this was the Los Angeles restaurant policy. | ||
| I protested at that woman's house. | ||
| What was her name again? | ||
| We all went. | ||
| Sheila Kuhl was her name. | ||
| You remember her? | ||
| Remember Sheila? | ||
| All right, go ahead. | ||
| Sorry to interrupt. | ||
| But we literally went to her house, and that's where I signed the recall for Gavin Newsom. | ||
| I think I signed it. | ||
| Also, I got in a car accident on the way there and I pulled over on the 405 and my Tesla wing door hit me in the head and I was dripping blood. | ||
| So I had a big scar with blood down. | ||
| It was a hell of a day. | ||
| Anyway, go ahead. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's not Elon's fault. | ||
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It was fully my fault. | |
| Okay, fair, fair. | ||
| I turned around and walked right into the thing. | ||
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Okay. | |
| We didn't sue Tesla, clearly. | ||
| This is my favorite COVID rule. | ||
| They finally reopened the restaurants. | ||
| And you had to wear a mask when you walked in. | ||
| And you had to wear a mask when you walked to the table. | ||
| But as soon as you sat down, you were below the COVID layer. | ||
| And you were all good. | ||
| And I remember thinking... | ||
| Do you mind if I... May I swear that it was the stupidest fucking thing I had ever seen in my adult life? | ||
| It was utterly nonsensical. | ||
| And I will never forget walking in and having forgotten my cot with this little blue trash mask that is on the floor, on the ground, in my bag, on the floor of the car. | ||
| It has been reused 50 times. | ||
| Probably got sicker from the mask that had a million germs that I touched my face, put it on the thing, touched my face again, touched the phone. | ||
| And I was like, I'm just literally going to that table 15 feet away. | ||
| And they're like, I'm sorry, you need a mask. | ||
| But nobody sitting down has a mask on. | ||
| And I was like, this is complete. | ||
| This is just, this is not, it's just... | ||
| Or even the fact that I knew you catch a cold through your eyes. | ||
| Touch something, touch your eyes. | ||
| Cold. | ||
| The mask is worthless. | ||
| I knew it was worthless. | ||
| I knew this because I worked in health. | ||
| I interviewed doctors all the time. | ||
| Immunologists, virologists. | ||
| This is what I did. | ||
| I spent 10 years doing a podcast interviewing doctors. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So were doctors reaching out to you and saying how bananas this was? | ||
| Or when, I guess... | ||
| Was it really during later in the lockdowns that you woke up? | ||
| To me, you can go back and you can see my videos. | ||
| And on day 15, I woke up. | ||
| Once two weeks to slow the spread or 15 days to slow the spread. | ||
| Sometimes they called it either one. | ||
| Once that was over, I was completely done with it. | ||
| Because then suddenly every commercial said it's the new normal. | ||
| And I was like, how did you guys do that? | ||
| Just overnight. | ||
| But they can. | ||
| I knew right away something didn't make sense. | ||
| I mean, instantaneously, it didn't make sense. | ||
| Because I knew you couldn't lock up the world. | ||
| I know the way viruses travel. | ||
| I know the way it made zero sense. | ||
| Just having a modicum of an understanding of how these things work and how people catch colds and locking down. | ||
| The minute that started with the lockdowns, I was like, this isn't going to work. | ||
| This doesn't make sense. | ||
| How could we possibly be here? | ||
| And I also knew that there was something odd about this was in spring of 2020. | ||
| So now we've been dealing with it for a few months because it had started like December of 2019. | ||
| And then by the time we hit spring, it was, oh, it's here. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| And I remember listening to Brett Weinstein for the first time on Rogan. | ||
| He will be at the party at my very house that you're going to be attending in about an hour from now. | ||
| Are you kidding? | ||
| There you go. | ||
| What a world. | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| I happen to love him. | ||
| It all happens here at the Dave Rubin compound. | ||
| Okay, I'm so excited. | ||
| I happen to love him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I remember watching him on Joe, which, by the way, I consumed intermittently at the time. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| I like to tune in and listen to him talk about taking, you know, hallucinogenic honey out of his shower. | ||
| That's when I was listening. | ||
| I thought, oh, you know, we talk about aliens and Bigfoot and shit, and I thought it was so funny. | ||
| And all of a sudden, Brett Weinstein's on, and he's laying out all the reasons he thinks this came from a lab. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| And I shut that show off, was full-blown liberal at that moment, and that was the moment. | ||
| I was like, oh my God, this did come from a lab, and there's something else going on, this makes perfect sense, and it all checks out. | ||
| And that was it. | ||
| I knew we were in serious trouble from that moment. | ||
| So from that moment, then, you started, in essence, seeing the lies, right? | ||
| And then once you see the lies in one way, it's everywhere. | ||
| It's everywhere. | ||
| You begin to see the lies everywhere. | ||
| They were growing at an exponential pace, Dave. | ||
| It was just, it was bananas. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We weren't allowed to have conversations, and we were saying things I knew were true were ten-had. | ||
| And you start to live in a conspiracy theory. | ||
| And this is another one. | ||
| My wife is a conservative. | ||
| And she's been a conservative. | ||
| Not like, oh, I opened my eyes. | ||
| She was always a conservative from a conservative family. | ||
| And her family would have Fox News on when we first met, and they were Trumpers. | ||
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And I remember thinking, how in the world are they Trumpers with a gay daughter? | |
| How is this possible? | ||
| But they were always lovely to me. | ||
| And her mom, and I can't give you the time stamp on this, it was somewhere in that first year, was like, you know that? | ||
| She's got this New York accent. | ||
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She's like, you know that bastard Fauci's responsible for this? | |
| And I remember thinking she was full. | ||
| Is that Long Island? | ||
| Staten Island? | ||
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It's New Jersey. | |
| It's New Jersey. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But they're from a great area. | ||
| My audience knows I love. | ||
| I'm re-watching The Sopranos right now. | ||
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I love that. | |
| But she's got like the whole family. | ||
| You know, like Pop Menudo. | ||
| Like the whole family's got like very affected accents. | ||
| They're very Italian. | ||
| And her mom was telling me Fauci was responsible for this. | ||
| And I remember thinking, okay, you're crazy. | ||
| Only to find out that in a very roundabout sort of way, she was absolutely right. | ||
| And it just was that combination of recognizing it, but it also growing like a fungus, like an infection, literally. | ||
| So this is happening. | ||
| You're waking up. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Now you start talking about this stuff. | ||
| Your audience, which did not think of you as someone that was political. | ||
| And when I watch your show, I consistently find you are trying your best to talk to everyone and And I hate to tell you, but what I think you're going to find is it's going to get harder and harder to talk to a certain set of people. | ||
| It's unfortunate. | ||
| It's really unfortunate. | ||
| I'm fighting for it. | ||
| I can't even explain it to you. | ||
| I was saying... | ||
| I'll get it, I assure you. | ||
| It feels honest to God, and I've said this before, like coming out of the closet, and I remember being like, no, no, no, I'm bisexual. | ||
| Because this was 30 years ago. | ||
| It wasn't okay at all. | ||
| And I remember just being like, no, this is not possible. | ||
| I'm not gay. | ||
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I can't be gay. | |
| I didn't want to be gay. | ||
| It wasn't okay to be gay. | ||
| Thank God for Madonna, which is a separate conversation because she made it a little lazier. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But I was like, no, no, I'm just bisexual because that's cool. | ||
| Because Sharon Stone just did Basic Instinct. | ||
| So I was like transitioning out of it. | ||
| Was that the scene? | ||
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That was the scene. | |
| A little of this, yeah. | ||
| She meets the blonde at the nightclub and they're dancing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, so it wasn't. | ||
| It wasn't this scene. | ||
| It wasn't necessarily that scene. | ||
| Maybe the best scene in movie history. | ||
| It was the nightclub scene with the dancing. | ||
| It was the nightclub scene. | ||
| And I was like, oh no. | ||
| And Michael Douglas is getting all jealous because she's dancing with the... | ||
| Great movie. | ||
| So... | ||
| It felt like that, where it was like this, you know, you're trying to hold on to something desperately. | ||
| And I also don't... | ||
| Here's what's so tough is that I don't dislike anybody on any side at all. | ||
| I don't like the politicians. | ||
| When I look at who I don't like... | ||
| It's the billionaires behind all of this. | ||
| That's who I don't like. | ||
| I don't like George, I don't like Larry Fink, I don't like Soros, I don't like the military industrial complex. | ||
| Bill Gates, I'll give you another. | ||
| Oh my God! | ||
| Take Bill Gates. | ||
| Oh my God, Bill Gates. | ||
| That's who I passionately dislike. | ||
| It's not the person that's voting for Kamala, because I know why they're voting for Kamala. | ||
| They don't like Trump. | ||
| They find the things that he has said or done reprehensible. | ||
| I can understand why they feel that way. | ||
| And they're worried about the issues like abortion that we've talked about, social issues. | ||
| But they don't see the things you and I see. | ||
| So they just think me, that I'm crazy. | ||
| Or that my wife did this to me. | ||
| It's interesting because since I'm a little, I would say, further down that road, for better or worse, I've gotten to a weird place where I really don't like a lot of those people anymore. | ||
| And I'm not saying that's a better place to be in any way whatsoever because I always think about this. | ||
| Greg Gutfeld wrote a book called The Joy of Hate. | ||
| It's not exactly that I hate these people because just holding hate is not good. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But, and also, I also understand that a certain set of people are just really confused, so there's no point in being angry at them. | ||
| It's the people that I know really know better, but for societal pressure reasons or for... | ||
| Oh, I see what you're saying. | ||
| And that's a huge amount of people. | ||
| I would say that's the swing people that are still keeping people in a perpetual state of... | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So I put it in, there's a couple different buckets of types of people, I would say, on that side. | ||
| And again, I'm not saying it's any better. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What I find when I try to communicate with my friends on the left, of which there are many, including my own mom, even Bill. | ||
| You had a clip of Bill talking to Megan Kelly on the show, and Bill was like, we're done talking about this. | ||
| And Bill did that to me. | ||
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There was a moment where when I was on his podcast, he's like, let's just agree to disagree here. | |
| And I do love him so much because he's willing to give everybody a voice and to have these fights, but he gets annoyed. | ||
| Even Bill's like, I can't because I'm going to get super pissed. | ||
| You can tell that's what's going on in his head. | ||
| And my own mom will be like, I can't, but she'll start it with me. | ||
| Dave, she starts it with me. | ||
| She's like, I watched your podcast. | ||
| I made a whole email to you about all the reasons this man is despicable. | ||
| We might have the same mother. | ||
| I do. | ||
| Wait, are we long lost siblings? | ||
| It honestly might be, I mean, I have the same. | ||
| That could be a reason that I have fallen so in love with you. | ||
| We're related. | ||
| It's just, and then when I try to explain it, she's like, I can't. | ||
| I have to get off the phone. | ||
| The truth is that with me. | ||
| And what would be the reaction on the other side now that you're open to these conversations? | ||
| Because that was the more enlightening part to me. | ||
| It wasn't that I was getting hysteria from the lefties. | ||
| It was that I was getting kindness and goodness from the people that were supposed to hate me. | ||
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I know. | |
| I still... | ||
| We're just doing therapy here, by the way. | ||
| We're not even filming this. | ||
| I was about to say to you that on a psychological level, it almost feels like, can I really trust this? | ||
| - Yeah. - But then I thought to myself, does it even matter? | ||
| If the right is being opportunistic and saying, hey, numbers matter. | ||
| So yeah, we don't love the fact that you're gay, and we don't love your opinion on A, B, C, D, and E, but there's room for you here, and we're okay disagreeing with you on those issues. | ||
| I mean, that was traditionally the left position. | ||
| That was the position of the left. | ||
| He said, you want to be a true rebel? | ||
| You want to be punk rock? | ||
| Become a Republican? | ||
| I'm like, oh shit. | ||
| It's 1987 again. | ||
| You want to be a rebel? | ||
| Keep your genitals. | ||
| My kids are straight. | ||
| I'm like, how are you guys doing at school? | ||
| Everything okay? | ||
| Being heterosexual like this? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| And they are like the outcasts of the group because they're heterosexual. | ||
| I remember driving by right before I left L.A. finally. | ||
| I drove by, I think it was the Bel Air High School up there right off 405, whatever that hotel is, that circular hotel. | ||
| And it was just like trans flags everywhere. | ||
| And it looked like an occupied building, like there was a foreign occupying military force, which in essence it basically is. | ||
| Kind of is. | ||
| It kind of is. | ||
| Kind of is. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So you're going through this whole thing, but it's not really your, the political part, again, is not really your passion. | ||
| Your passion is the health part, and now health has become highly political. | ||
| I've had a ton of health people in here. | ||
| It's funny, because I'm finding a lot more interest suddenly in the health part, but these things are deeply intertwined. | ||
| So you must be thrilled about watching Bobby and his connection now to Trump and how this is suddenly, like we're talking about, you know, beef tallow for McDonald's french fries now and a whole bunch of other stuff. | ||
| No, I do love it so much. | ||
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And it's exciting to see a lot of these people... | |
| Casey means, you know, Callie's sister. | ||
| I've been talking to Casey for four years. | ||
| These are all people, because they were on my podcast talking about metabolic disease or policy with regard to food lobbyists and pharma lobbyists or Brigham Bueller, who will talk to you about big insurance all day long and peptides, which I want to talk to you about for your knee later. | ||
| Nevertheless, All of a sudden, all of us have been thrust onto this stage. | ||
| You know, it's funny, I won't say his name, God forbid, but there was a guy who's one of the foremost leading experts in psychedelics. | ||
| And I had interviewed him years ago for four hours, and he's an absolute friggin' genius. | ||
| And he got canceled for doing nothing. | ||
| And long story short, he ended up at a great university and we've become good friends. | ||
| And he sent me something the other day. | ||
| He's like, hey, I know Cali's really... | ||
| Cali means he's like, I know Cali's really busy. | ||
| Will you pass on this paper to him? | ||
| Having to do with the FDA and psychedelics, this, that, the other. | ||
| And he's like, I can't even believe I'm saying this. | ||
| But God, I hope Trump wins. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is what's happening. | ||
| And everybody in my line of work... | ||
| All the MDs, all the PhDs. | ||
| And again, I don't want to put anyone on blast, but I've yet to meet one that is actually going to vote for Kamala. | ||
| And obviously my network in that space is fast. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So where do you think, I actually asked Callie a version of this question, so I'm curious if you guys have similar answers. | ||
| Where do you think it went wrong with all of this? | ||
| Like when I've had debates with my more lefty people, like if I say something about Fauci, but he's a Good man. | ||
| Look what he did for the gays in the 80s with AIDS and all of this. | ||
| And it's just like, and he didn't know and his intentions are good. | ||
| Get the F out of here. | ||
| No, but that's a certain set of people, clearly, that still think that he's a good man and he just did it because he's a good man. | ||
| They don't mind the 400 grand he's still getting from the government for the rest of his life. | ||
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So go ahead. | |
| I won't even ask a question. | ||
| Gosh, okay. | ||
| Hold on, I gotta get comfortable for this. | ||
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Just a second. | |
| Hold on a second. | ||
| I'm sorry, Dave. | ||
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My feet are clean. | |
| I have a beautiful pedicure. | ||
| It's too short to let my feet. | ||
| I gotta get grounded. | ||
| Wow, okay. | ||
| If I had to really go back, Callie would tell you that it's the 1980s when big tobacco bought big food, right? | ||
| And then they put their scientists and their research into it. | ||
| Precisely what he said in that show. | ||
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| And I don't disagree with him with regards to where the food started to go wrong, but where did the governing bodies start to really go wrong? | ||
| And there was a loophole that was created in the year right around 2000 where we started allowing all these crazy chemicals into our food on track. | ||
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So there were these different spots along the way. | |
| Citizens United was another big one because when you open up all of our politicians in such a huge way to big food and big pharma and big insurance, I think the biggest lobbying groups are big pharma and big insurance. | ||
| So you open up that door and you make each and every one of our politicians up for sale. | ||
| You've now taken our republic and you've turned it into an oligarchy. | ||
| So you let these guys in and in order to win it becomes a don't hate the player, hate the game. | ||
| So now they're in a situation where you might actually have a good person who wants to do the right thing. | ||
| And I've met many of those people. | ||
| But in order to get to a position where they could facilitate the right thing they have to take that money and then we're done. | ||
| So, from a perspective of, all right, how do we make food more profitable? | ||
| What are the raw economic incentives? | ||
| Oh, big tobacco got involved and everything changed in the 80s. | ||
| Like, my mom will tell you, I used to eat this stuff when I was a kid and we used to have this, this, this, and this all the time. | ||
| But if you look at her Reese's Peanut Butter Cop and our Reese's Peanut Butter Cop, there's like 20 different things that didn't exist. | ||
| And that really did start to happen after the late 80s. | ||
| So it is absolutely by design, but you have these monster corporations that have strategically, systematically gamed the system for absolute, complete and total influence, period. | ||
| And it's been a gradual process since the 80s. | ||
| And that, by the way, is why I love that suddenly it feels like voting for Trump is not just voting for Trump. | ||
| It's voting for Bobby, who could go into the CDC and the NIH. | ||
| It's voting for Tulsi. | ||
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| It's voting for Elon to clean up government efficiency or get in there and do that. | ||
| And all of these other people. | ||
| So let's stick with the China health part for a moment and move it from government and just kind of get it to the. | ||
| If you look at it, Dave, and this is something that I didn't mention yet, is that it really is this. | ||
| What I call the catastrophic quartet of how they gained the big farming laws. | ||
| So how they manipulated the Farm Bill legislation so that all that money goes to Monsanto and all those companies to make these genetically engineered crops. | ||
| And then you've got this glut of cheap calories covered in pesticides because they're selling the chemicals to go with the seeds and it's all... | ||
| But then big food grabs those cheap calories, of which we make 500 more calories than every human in the country needs every single day. | ||
| Makes it omnipresent, puts one more spin on it with our food scientists, makes it super addictive. | ||
| Then big pharma is like, oh my god, you have a genetic disease. | ||
| That's why you're obese, despite the fact that no such disease exists. | ||
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Like, where was this disease in 1975? | |
| This is quantum leap for human genetics, my god. | ||
| So they come in and they reap the benefits, and then if you really, I mean, the true monster Is big insurance. | ||
| And the one that can explain that like no other is Brigham Bueller. | ||
| I don't know if you've spoken to him yet, but my God, Dave, if you want to go down a rabbit hole, he'll tell you that it's like big insurance is a megalodon and big farm is like a great white. | ||
| It's like no comparison. | ||
| Because in essence, big insurance is not covering any of the things that would allow you to be prevented. | ||
| Oh no, it's so much worse than that. | ||
| It is so much worse than that. | ||
| And I can't do it justice the way that he does, but he explains... | ||
| I'm going to butcher this. | ||
| They have a way of creating rebates for themselves. | ||
| So, for example, God, there's a great clip of him doing this on Rogan and on my show, but he'll tell you, like, let's say I'm the pharmacist and my cost for insulin is $2. | ||
| And, you know, you come in and I would normally charge you $3. | ||
| But your copay is $10. | ||
| I'm not allowed to tell you the cash price that it's $3. | ||
| So I know collect your $10 copay. | ||
| I get to keep my $3. | ||
| Guess who gets the other $7? | ||
| Insurance companies. | ||
| And that is the tip of the iceberg. | ||
| I am a complete novice in my understanding of that, but what I can tell you is the little that I grasp, it is terrifying beyond your wildest imagination. | ||
| So for everyone that is now starting to pay attention to this stuff, and they're getting off the seed oils, which I talk about constantly now, and we just did with Callie, so we don't have to do that. | ||
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| And they're trying to eat less processed food, like the basic stuff that most people get. | ||
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That's the key. | |
| What else should they be doing? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Here's the good news. | ||
| The good news is that if you take some agency, and let's say you have a step goal. | ||
| Which is low-hanging fruit. | ||
| Get a walking pad, right? | ||
| Work on your walking pad. | ||
| Get outside whenever you can. | ||
| Of course, that's what I would love. | ||
| Can I tell you how many steps I took in New York City on Friday because I was just wandering around? | ||
| 15,000. | ||
| 28,000. | ||
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| I'll show it on my phone. | ||
| We'll take a screenshot and we will put it in this video. | ||
| That's about 14 miles, right? | ||
| It's about 2,000. | ||
| Oh my gosh, yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, I just walked the city all day long. | ||
| Just walked and walked and walked and walked and walked. | ||
| Yeah, that was it. | ||
| See, that's phenomenal. | ||
| I don't even need that, though. | ||
| It was a little psychotic, actually. | ||
| I'll take a quarter of that, right? | ||
| If you could give me $7,000 to $10,000 a day, and then we could control the quantity of food you eat... | ||
| And subsequently, the quality. | ||
| And we don't even need to get granular about this, right? | ||
| It's just some basic common sense stuff. | ||
| Try to eat whole food. | ||
| If you are needing to go to a fast food drive-thru, we all know there's a difference between the fried chicken McNuggets and the chicken salad. | ||
| Are both great... | ||
| No, they're not ideal. | ||
| But one is a hell of a lot better than the other. | ||
| You know, we're picking an evil and one is far worse than the other. | ||
| If we can implement these, quit soda, my God, soda, don't smoke, don't over drink. | ||
| It's just basic common sense. | ||
| Try to, you know, get products that are... | ||
| Ideally, fragrance-free. | ||
| You know, get a water filter on your house. | ||
| It goes a long way. | ||
| Open your windows. | ||
| Get an air filter. | ||
| These little things will help filter out all of these toxins. | ||
| And it's a commitment to buy it at first. | ||
| But over time, the aggregate, right, it's like the benefit is exponential, right? | ||
| And yet we have an entire industry based on kind of not letting you know that knowledge or just saying, hey, some shit's gonna happen to you and we'll just drug you enough to keep you going at the end. | ||
| That's the game. | ||
| That really is the game. | ||
| Doctors are incredible. | ||
| I mean, they don't obviously all put their pants on the same way. | ||
| In other words, some are far better than others. | ||
| But the ones who practice upstreamism, and there's a great TED talk about this, that don't just do triage of, uh-oh, okay, you're sick, here's 15 drugs, why are you sick? | ||
| So, the metaphor is, you know, people are drowning in this river, doctors are trained to jump in the river, pull the body out, do CPR, try to bring them back to life, get them back on the road. | ||
| In other words, give them a bunch of drugs, off you go. | ||
| But a few people, a few rebels, started walking upstream. | ||
| And when everybody, you know, who was doing triage was like, where are you going? | ||
| I'm trying to figure out, like, how the hell are these people falling in the river? | ||
| That's the concept. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The ones that are doing that, and there are a handful of great ones, I worship at the altar. | ||
| But it's... | ||
| Unfortunately, the game... | ||
| It is purely economic. | ||
| It's just so effing profitable. | ||
| That and defense. | ||
| So when you... | ||
| Disease and defense. | ||
| When you started doing all this and you start getting people into better shape, what would generally be the thing that would knock them off of that? | ||
| Like, I'm sure you have a million stories you can tell me about the people that completely changed their lives for better and got better and everything else. | ||
| But did you find something that there was a psychological makeup or... | ||
| Something of the type of person, because I'm sure there's tons of people, and we've all been there. | ||
| You go on runs where you're like, oh, I'm fit and eating right and everything else, and then suddenly it's three weeks later and you're like, what the hell happened there? | ||
| Think of it as a continuum. | ||
| And what I'm referencing is a psychological continuum. | ||
| Where we utilize food as either a coping mechanism or a defense structure. | ||
| So let's start with level one being the bare minimum. | ||
| Dave is fit. | ||
| Dave is healthy. | ||
| Dave had a crappy day and he might have one extra tequila. | ||
| Maybe Dave is going through a real hard time. | ||
| And he's working like crazy and he's like, something's going on with his business. | ||
| Husband is sick. | ||
| You're sick. | ||
| Something's happening. | ||
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And you're not getting to the gym. | |
| You can't even function. | ||
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You can't even imagine it. | |
| And over the course of the year, you put on 20 pounds. | ||
| Life kind of recalibrates. | ||
| You pull yourself together. | ||
| You get back on the wagon. | ||
| Okay, we can all turn to the crutch when times get tough. | ||
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| Some of the people I used to work with on Biggest Loser, where it's like my mother was a heroin addict. | ||
| She would turn tricks while I was locked up in the closet. | ||
| And I was incested by my uncle. | ||
| And I put on all of this weight to desexualize myself as a defense mechanism. | ||
| Food is comfort. | ||
| It's a defense structure. | ||
| It's a way I bond with my mother who's also overweight. | ||
| That's a 10. | ||
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10. | |
| That is the reason people love to tell you that diets don't work. | ||
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Of course they work. | |
| It's physics. | ||
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I mean, my God. | |
| Let's not be stupid. | ||
| It's the first law of thermodynamics. | ||
| I think I saw you a couple of years ago on TV going off about that. | ||
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Dave, it's not even a question. | |
| Because that became a trend like six or seven years ago. | ||
| Suddenly everyone was like, diets don't work. | ||
| And it's just insane to say to people, you have no autonomy. | ||
| It is so... | ||
| It's untrue. | ||
| By the way, if we look at these weight loss drugs, the mechanism by which they facilitate weight loss is that they make you not hungry. | ||
| You eat less food. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| You essentially starve yourself. | ||
| You eat as little as 500 calories a day in some cases, which is why people are losing so much muscle and damaging their metabolism. | ||
| Separate conversation. | ||
| So, I can have this individual with me at the Biggest Loser Ranch 10 years ago, or when I was actually allowed to be, had the time to be a personal trainer, and they'd be seeing me every week, and I'd be in their head and going to their grocery list, and they'd be texting all their stuff when I was a kid, and I'd miss that job. | ||
| It was so rewarding and so immediate. | ||
| So, nevertheless, I could get them to a really good place, but In most cases, when they would go home, those deeper issues aren't resolved. | ||
| And what you're giving up is not the food. | ||
| You're giving up what the food provides you. | ||
| So, an example. | ||
| And I told this story a lot, so forgive me to anybody who's listening, but I'm sure your audience probably has not heard it. | ||
| There was a kid that I worked with who was 18 years old. | ||
| And he came to the show with his father. | ||
| They both lost a crazy amount of weight. | ||
| And they went home because it was the Christmas holiday. | ||
| So they didn't get eliminated. | ||
| And they go through the door of their house and they show all the friends and the family. | ||
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Oh my god! | |
| Mom is there and sees her son and her husband. | ||
| About 100 pounds later, she's morbidly obese. | ||
| And she immediately starts crying. | ||
| And they're not tears of joy. | ||
| She feels abandoned. | ||
| They broke the contract. | ||
| They're going to leave her behind. | ||
| They're going to outgrow her. | ||
| They have, in fact, left her behind. | ||
| And she becomes depressed. | ||
| She emotionally withdraws. | ||
| This kid comes back to the biggest loser ranch, and he gained seven pounds while he was home. | ||
| You know, I got to the bottom of it in a couple of hours, but he doesn't understand what happened. | ||
| He told me his story and this, that, the other. | ||
| And what is the food affording him? | ||
| An emotional connection with his mother. | ||
| He's not giving up a Twinkie, Dave. | ||
| It's a primal abandonment. | ||
| That's why this is so effing hard. | ||
| But... | ||
| On your continuum, where do you fall? | ||
| It's a lot easier if you're like 1 to 5. | ||
| 5 to 10. | ||
| This is where, honestly, I do think psychedelics can do a lot. | ||
| It helps people with addiction, unlike anything I've ever seen. | ||
| So this is where someone who is, say, addicted to food or whatever else, but it's really an emotional wound that they have, whether it's mushrooms or now people are microdosing or resilient other things. | ||
| I should do more shows on this in general. | ||
| Microdosing... | ||
| According to the experts, forget about it. | ||
| The stuff that I'm talking about is what the experts refer to. | ||
| Speak to Matt Johnson. | ||
| He's unbelievable. | ||
| He's at Shepard Pratt. | ||
| He's incredible. | ||
| He's the guy. | ||
| And they would refer to it as the heroic dose. | ||
| And Matt has used it for smoking succession, and I don't know what his research has led him to over the past couple of years, but he's had an 85% success rate in getting people to quit smoking after one session with a heroic dose. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So we talked because I was looking at it. | ||
| It's ayahuasca? | ||
| No, psilocybin. | ||
| So just a crazy amount of mushrooms. | ||
| They have a process. | ||
| All of these things have a process, whether it's Ibogaine or psilocybin or ayahuasca. | ||
| But this is one of the reasons that people like Matt or Callie or even Bobby are wanting to look into this as a way to treat people with addiction and PTSD. So for me, I've often been so desperate for the opportunity to use that. | ||
| I wish that there was another opportunity because My mother's a psychoanalyst and she'll tell you there's nothing harder than helping people give up this addiction because of what they're really giving up. | ||
| And then what happens is big food, they know this. | ||
| So what they do is they exploit your psychological vulnerabilities by making food omnipresent and extraordinarily addictive. | ||
| So the way food is designed is It games your satiety. | ||
| If you eat protein, fat, fiber, your satiety hormones would signal. | ||
| Like, yo, Dave, chill out, right? | ||
| We're full, buddy. | ||
| We're good. | ||
| - Relax. | ||
| If you have a soda, there's no protein, there's no fat, there's no fiber. | ||
| So not only is it not triggering your satiety hormones, it's going to stimulate a sugar crash because your sugar spikes, insulin dumps, clears the sugar out of the blood, now you have low blood sugar and you're hungry again and you're tired. | ||
| So not only does it not make you feel full, it makes you hungrier And in addition, it's gaming the pleasure center of your brain. | ||
| It's smacking that dopamine center. | ||
| And there are some people in our field that will tell you that's not true. | ||
| I would refer everybody to Dr. | ||
| Anna Lemke, who specializes in this, who's an addiction specialist. | ||
| And she wrote a book called Dopamine Nation, and she breaks it down better than anybody else. | ||
| Some people would say that it's not true that they're gaming your brain, basically. | ||
| A couple of people that I happen to really respect that will often play the role of the contrarian. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And the one who does it the most, I really like. | |
| He's a great guy and very intelligent, but there are some things I'm just like, you're wrong. | ||
| You're just wrong. | ||
| And I would defer to this PhD. | ||
| He's a PhD. | ||
| He's brilliant. | ||
| But nevertheless, there are certain things that will kind of say, well, the data's not there. | ||
| And it's like, well, it is. | ||
| And common sense would dictate, you know, it'll make a case for things like artificial sweeteners undoubt the data. | ||
| And it's like, I think we all just kind of know it intuitively, too. | ||
| Like, I don't remember the last time I had Doritos, but if you put even a small bag of Doritos here, no one that takes one does not finish that bag. | ||
| It's literally as simple as that. | ||
| No one has ever left, oh, no, I'm going to leave three Doritos in that bag. | ||
| It's just not a thing. | ||
| It's not a thing. | ||
| So there has to be something there. | ||
| I mean, that Cool Ranch powder, everybody loves that Cool Ranch. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Do you do any of it? | ||
| Do you ever? | ||
| You do nothing. | ||
| You just... | ||
| This has been... | ||
| I hope I don't fail you at dinner tonight, because we were going to do a very intimate dinner of four of us. | ||
| Now it got expanded to, like, 30 people, and it's sushi instead of grass-fed. | ||
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Love. | |
| Oh, my God. | ||
| But you were getting grass-fed like I was going to really make you stink. | ||
| Oh, I was getting loved up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's still, it's good. | ||
| I'll trade you my grass-fed for Brett Weinstein. | ||
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| Fair enough, fair enough. | ||
| I'll take it. | ||
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Oh, my God, I would need a Snickers bar to meet this guy. | |
| So, no, but... | ||
| It has been a very gradual process. | ||
| And the other problem, Dave, is you just become almost Howard Hughes-ian. | ||
| You know too much. | ||
| And not only that, I also, unfortunately, have access to things like a Pernuvo MRI. And here you are, cruising along, and they're like, hey, you've got some white matter lesions on your brain. | ||
| I'm like, I'm sorry, what the fuck did you say? | ||
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What? | |
| And this is real. | ||
| The things that we think aren't affecting us are like, oh, and some cysts on your kidney, but don't panic. | ||
| I don't drink. | ||
| I don't smoke. | ||
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I don't even take an Advil. | |
| So what do we think that is? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, why would I have cysts? | ||
| I don't have kidney disease. | ||
| She's like, it's not a big deal. | ||
| I'm like, well, it kind of is a big deal because that can't be normal. | ||
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You know, as a kid, they found a kid... | |
| When I was 30, they found nodules on my thyroid. | ||
| Like, what do we think that is? | ||
| Do we think it's the 10,000 chemicals in the crop that's on my face right now, or the crop that's on my hair, or the crop that's off-gassing from your furniture, or the crop that's in the water when I had to drink tap from the hotel earlier? | ||
| Now it's all the plastics we're wearing. | ||
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It's sore, is it that? | |
| Just like Lulu. | ||
| That's right, Dave. | ||
| I know, it's killing me. | ||
| It is killing you! | ||
| You want to keep it off the nether regions for sure, just FYI. So I buy that one big time. | ||
| That said, once you know that stuff, you try to mitigate it wherever you can. | ||
| And then when you have the ability to go, holy shit, it actually is doing something to me. | ||
| Every day you try a little bit harder. | ||
| That wake-up call, whether you're healthy or unhealthy, exists. | ||
| All you need to do is go looking for it with all these proactive screenings and genetics tests and comprehensive blood panels and full-body MRI. You don't even need it. | ||
| Don't bother. | ||
| I'm going to tell you they'll find 50 things. | ||
| So just do what I'm telling you now because they will find it without question. | ||
| So, in essence, just kind of get it. | ||
| Start getting yourself right, and then... | ||
| Don't wait. | ||
| You're not saying never go and get some of these things checked. | ||
| Oh, I would love it if you did. | ||
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| You know, that would be my dream. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But if you're like, well, I don't have $2,000 to do that, you're totally unrelatable. | ||
| Again, I defer to Brigham Bjorn because he's like, listen, get major medical, get a car crash, major, big disaster because you're not going to pay for all this other stuff. | ||
| With that extra money, invest $500 a month in your healthcare and you'll be covered in a cash pay model. | ||
| So they do comprehensive blood panels. | ||
| They're on top of your wellness 24-7. | ||
| People are going, I can't pay rent. | ||
| You stupid bitch. | ||
| This is where I'm saying, if you can't, if we're having that conversation and I'm totally unrelatable, you don't really need it. | ||
| You don't have to be the guilty lefty here. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| You don't have to be. | ||
| People understand. | ||
| Not everything is for everyone at all times. | ||
| There's something that everyone can do in their life, whether they have next to nothing or a gajillion dollars. | ||
| But it's funny because I see how you have that. | ||
| Yes, of course, Not everyone can afford these things. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| It's like you feel bad. | ||
| It's part of life. | ||
| And the more that the rich people do these things, the cheaper that they'll get over time. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And in fact, when I went to do this Pernuva MRI, they're like, you know, if you want to put out a code. | ||
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And I was like, lady, this is like two grand. | |
| You think anybody listening to my podcast has got two grand? | ||
| Like they need information for free. | ||
| And she's like, well, the more we can scale it, the cheaper it becomes. | ||
| It is quite literally true. | ||
| Walk me through a day of your health and fitness routine. | ||
| I can give you a good day and a bad day. | ||
| So a good day is actually a day that's either a weekend so I can sleep in and I don't have to take my kids to school. | ||
| Sleep is so massive. | ||
| And unfortunately, I just have a lot of work. | ||
| So, you know, with kids, you pick it up at the end of the day. | ||
| Like, okay, you know, the school's work's done, and soccer's finished, or, like, you're dealing with little ones, but it's, like, home from soccer, home from tennis. | ||
| Everybody's fed. | ||
| Homework's good. | ||
| Okay, quality time. | ||
| Let's watch something together. | ||
| Okay, goodnight! | ||
| And then you have, like, three hours' worth of work to do. | ||
| So the ability to sleep in heaven, wake up, have a soft landing in the morning, my organic coffee, I usually try to get a minimum of 12 hours. | ||
| And there are a lot of people that are like, oh, you're not getting into autophagy, intermittent fasting doesn't facilitate that. | ||
| Whether it does or whether it doesn't, there's no question that giving your body a break from digesting food is going to be beneficial. | ||
| So what time do you try to eat dinner? | ||
| Usually like... | ||
| Finished by 8 at the latest. | ||
| And then I usually push till about 10, but I'll have coffee with some heavy whipping cream because it's like no protein, no sugar. | ||
| So I try to get to like 10 in the morning. | ||
| And then I think, I'm a bit of a lunatic, so all I think about is microbiome, microbiome, microbiome. | ||
| So my breakfast could be like a yogurt parfait with polyphenols in my berries and then the good bacteria in the yogurt and then a handful of nuts and seeds and cocoa nibs on top. | ||
| And then I don't put the bananas in with the berries because they can block some of the polyphenols. | ||
| Like, I'm a psychopath. | ||
| I take like a... | ||
| Fistful of pills. | ||
| Wait, the bananas can't go with the berries? | ||
| No, they can't! | ||
| You can thank Dr. | ||
| Ron and Patrick for positive that. | ||
| I know, I gotta stop talking. | ||
| I gotta not know these people or follow them at all. | ||
| They ruined my life. | ||
| The worst bastard is Huberman and Dr. | ||
| Daniel Amen and Peter Attia really messed me up too because they will just literally give you zero room for a glass of wine. | ||
| I'm like, I never need to speak to you guys again. | ||
| That's like the one that I still make room for. | ||
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| Then I take fistfuls of supplements. | ||
| I don't know if you care about this. | ||
| I'm asking you your thing. | ||
| I take four grams of fish oil a day. | ||
| So two in the morning, two at night. | ||
| In the morning I have methylated B-complex on top of multivitamin, on top of a vision supplement, on top of a hair supplement. | ||
| Then in the afternoon, I do the most disgusting combination of just added creatine, by the way, for the cognitive benefits. | ||
| Just added that. | ||
| I'm about three months in on it. | ||
| I can definitely tell the difference. | ||
| You like it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just added that. | ||
| I had Dr. | ||
| Lane Norton, who I really respect, who advocated for that. | ||
| I was like, all right, I'm doing it. | ||
| And Gunnar Peterson, who's great. | ||
| So started doing creatine monohydrate, in with my collagen, in with green tea powder and cacao flavanols. | ||
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It's disgusting. | |
| It's like mud in my afternoon coffee. | ||
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Then I'll have green powder. | |
| This is not stable. | ||
| I told you this is crazy. | ||
| Then I'll have greens powder also in my water in the afternoon. | ||
| Lunch is usually, again, like huge salad, little bit of protein. | ||
| Always, always thinking fiber, fiber, fiber. | ||
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Try to avoid ultra-processed food at all costs. | |
| I absolutely have bread, but it's organic, whole grain, nuts and seeds. | ||
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Then I try to skip the afternoon snack if I can. | |
| If I cave on it, it's usually like a hard-boiled egg, a piece of fruit, or something protein, or let's say we have this walnut, pecan, cinnamon, butter, and I'll have that on an apple or something of that nature. | ||
| Again, like healthy fat, clean protein, lots of fiber. | ||
| And dinner is usually where I eat more. | ||
| And my wife's a great cook. | ||
| Like you were saying, David's a great cook. | ||
| And so she'll make me wild salmon or grass-fed steak or roasted chicken. | ||
| I actually don't. | ||
| This is terrible. | ||
| I hate eating meat. | ||
| I don't believe that we need the amount that people are consuming. | ||
| But I do try to put protein in every meal. | ||
| And it's just, it's like... | ||
| It's an animal thing. | ||
| But I have given it up not for health because I'm a huge animal person and I'm anemic like that. | ||
| I mean like that. | ||
| Snap my fingers. | ||
| Oh, you're anemic again. | ||
| I'm like, God damn it. | ||
| And there's not really, beyond red meat, not really a great way to deal with that, right? | ||
| No, it's all crap. | ||
| We eat real quality protein. | ||
| And it's good for you. | ||
| I know it's good for you. | ||
| We don't even have to have that conversation. | ||
| It's just that I'm like, oh my god, cows are like the sweetest sentient beings. | ||
| And I know this is deranged. | ||
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This is like weird childhood shit. | |
| I was an only child for the first 15 years of my life. | ||
| I had dogs. | ||
| I hate eating animals. | ||
| But I obviously do. | ||
| So anyway, so lots of vegetables again, like two servings of vegetables, two more grams of fish oil, magnesium threonate and bisglycinate. | ||
| Just started doing BPC-157 for my shoulder, thanks to Brigham Bueller, so I shoot that at my back at night. | ||
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And what the hell else did I take? | |
| That's it. | ||
| That sounds pretty... | ||
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It's a lot. | |
| Alright, so that's a lot of stuff. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's almost psychotic. | ||
| It's unhinged. | ||
| Not everyone can do all that. | ||
| I think people understand that, right? | ||
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It's unhinged. | |
| Okay, it's a lot of stuff. | ||
| And what about the physical part of it? | ||
| What about the... | ||
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Oh, right. | |
| Working out the movement. | ||
| This is less. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't need to go too crazy because when you're already a healthy body weight, you can maintain that with food. | ||
| If we needed to lose weight, it's all workout. | ||
| It's all work. | ||
| You can't starve. | ||
| I mean, you can, I guess. | ||
| You can do ozempic and starve it off, but you'd look like shit. | ||
| You'd feel like shit. | ||
| It has huge ramifications. | ||
| You lose muscle and bone, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| So you should not starve the weight off. | ||
| You should exercise it off. | ||
| That said, for me now... | ||
| I don't do a ton of stretching because I lift weights to a full range of motion which is, according to the most current research, as effective. | ||
| You don't need to static stretch. | ||
| I don't do that anymore at all. | ||
| I was never good at it anyway. | ||
| I purely hated it and never got any more flexible. | ||
| I try to do the HIIT training at least once a week, and I know you need to do more Tabata protocol, so it's like the 20 on, the 10 off for four minutes. | ||
| I try to do at least two rounds. | ||
| I hate it so much. | ||
| Like, I actually hate exercise. | ||
| I'm not the person that ever got the endorphin rush. | ||
| I purely hate it. | ||
| It is driven out. | ||
| Funny line of work you got into. | ||
| The ab girl. | ||
| It was all about being picked on as a kid and feeling empowered via fitness and having fitness be transcendent for me and then using that as a tool to empower other people. | ||
| But I actually am horrendously unathletic by nature. | ||
| I have no flexibility. | ||
| I'm a tiny human. | ||
| I have no No endurance. | ||
| I am strong. | ||
| I can do just about anything once. | ||
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If you were like, okay, give me a one-handed clapping push-up. | |
| I could get there probably once. | ||
| But outside of that, my whys have compounded over the years. | ||
| Of course, as a kid, it was the abs. | ||
| And then, you know, you become a mom and you want to be, like, this role model for your kids. | ||
| And then you get older and you want to be a role model for your grandkids. | ||
| And you want to see how far you can take your body. | ||
| And all these things over the years aggregate. | ||
| And you've got a grandmother already. | ||
| No, but I think about it. | ||
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Is that weird? | |
| I'm not exactly sure how old you are, but I guess anything's possible. | ||
| No, but I think about it. | ||
| It's really... | ||
| I'm like, okay. | ||
| Right, like, why not? | ||
| You know, I want to meet... | ||
| I want to meet my kids' kids, and I want to be the cool grandma that they tell stories about, about how crazy you were. | ||
| One of my big things has been, and one of the things that really got me into shape in the last year, was playing basketball with these guys who were largely in their late 30s into early 60s. | ||
| And then the guys in their 50s and 60s were suddenly bringing their 20-year-old sons and playing. | ||
| And I was like, wait a minute, I want to play And I started late as a parent. | ||
| So we didn't, I didn't have a kid until I was 46. | ||
| So it's like, I really have to, I need another, I want to be running full court in 15 years. | ||
| I want to be running full court in 20 years. | ||
| So like, that's the better. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I better talk to you about the knee thing. | ||
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Well, There's a great guy. | |
| Yeah, we'll do that. | ||
| People think he's crazy. | ||
| I think he's kind of a wicked genius. | ||
| It's this guy, Brian Johnson, who maybe you've heard about. | ||
| So he sold his company for like $800 million. | ||
| And now he spends all of his time not dying. | ||
| And he's, I swear to God, Dave, it's incredible. | ||
| Kind of like Donald Trump. | ||
| Even beyond that, to a certain extent. | ||
| And he'll go to some island off the coast of Nicaragua and alter his genome. | ||
| He's out of his mind. | ||
| But the thing is, there is some low-hanging fruit there that you can grasp, and it's like... | ||
| The concept being kick the can down the road because medicine is advancing at such an exponential pace that with peptides and maybe mesenchymal stem cells and all these little nanobots, all these different things that they're able to do right now, if you can stay healthy long enough for medicine to catch up, you could go to 100 and feel good, but you've got to do the work. | ||
| All right, Jillian Michaels, I've enjoyed talking to you, listening to you, getting to know you a little bit. | ||
| We'll continue this off-camera, but I do have to end this interview by upsetting you deeply. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| What's happened? | ||
| So you've woken up. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| You were, let's say, a moderate lefty your entire life, not particularly political. | ||
| You've now seen the light, all of the stuff. | ||
| The election is in a couple days from now. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Will you be voting for Donald Trump? | ||
| Okay, so I'm not influencing anyone's vote, right? | ||
| I'm not telling anyone who to vote for. | ||
| We're not even recording the show today. | ||
| This is just me and me talking. | ||
| I did vote for Donald Trump, yeah. | ||
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I did. | |
| And I put it this way. | ||
| He wasn't my choice out of the candidates that were running for the primary. | ||
| I do understand his flaws. | ||
| Trust me. | ||
| I could list all of them. | ||
| But the problem for me is that it becomes a question of lesser evils. | ||
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And I'm looking at... | |
| The things you and I talked about, like the First Amendment. | ||
| I'm looking at wars going on all over the world. | ||
| I'm looking at big food, big pharma, and big insurance running rampant. | ||
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Someone was telling me, I don't care about that. | |
| I just need to pay my rent. | ||
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I hate him because of this. | |
| All this stuff you're thinking about is up here. | ||
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It's not up here when you get diagnosed with breast cancer. | |
| It's not up here when a nuclear bomb goes off on the East Coast because there's Nuclear submarines off the coast of Miami. | ||
| It's not going to be up here when all of a sudden there's something you don't want to do with your body. | ||
| Like, when you don't want the monkeypox vaccine, because maybe you saw that video of Stephen Crowder showing Jay Varma explaining that it's all bullshit and it doesn't work, and they gamed the whole thing. | ||
| Maybe you're not going to want that, and then they shut down your social media, and then they fire you from your job. | ||
| Like, it will come for you. | ||
| What's that saying? | ||
| It's like, it came for them, then I stood by, and it came for those guys, I stood by, until it came for me. | ||
| It will come for you. | ||
| And that's the problem, is that I know it will. | ||
| So, he's not my first choice. | ||
| I don't endorse him. | ||
| I don't want to tell anybody who to vote for. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| There's one candidate in the world that I would... | ||
| Run over a broken glass floor. | ||
| And I hope that day comes and I've made that clear to this individual that I would endorse and go to town and bend over backwards and throw it all to the wolves. | ||
| Because I believe in this person so much. | ||
| But it's not Tulsi. | ||
| I thought you were going to say Bobby there. | ||
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Tulsi. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I love her. | |
| I adore, adore, adore, adore, adore. | ||
| I friggin' love her. | ||
| Like, she actually asked me to go to an event and I was like... | ||
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I'm like, I can't. | |
| I just can't. | ||
| This isn't what I do. | ||
| I have no business telling people who to vote for. | ||
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I don't want that job. | |
| I'll tell them what to eat. | ||
| Who the fuck am I? And I said, but if there's ever a day that you need me, I will be there 100%. | ||
| I believe in you that much. | ||
| I've followed you diligently since 2019. | ||
| I think I've watched you speak for over 50 hours at least. | ||
| Like, I know everything about your career. | ||
| And I will be there if you need me. | ||
| Hands down, I would jump in the game and that's it. | ||
| New Republican Tulsi Gabbard. | ||
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I know, Dave. | |
| I know. | ||
| Alright, so you're voting Trump. | ||
| You're eating good food. | ||
| You got the peptides. | ||
| You don't work out too much. | ||
| And now we're going to have some sushi and hang with Brett Weinstein and some other people. | ||
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Is his wife coming, Heather? | |
| She, Heather, is coming too. | ||
| What a world. | ||
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