Sept. 17, 2024 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| (SINGING) It's a crazy world. | ||
| Somebody's gotta have the same views. | ||
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| It's a crazy world. | ||
| Somebody's gotta have the same views. | ||
| All right, internet people. | ||
| Well it is Tuesday, September 17th, 2020. | ||
| I'm Dave Rubin. | ||
| This is The Rubin Report, as always, live streaming on Rumble, on YouTube, on Locals. | ||
| No postgame show today. | ||
| However, I'll make it up to you because I've got special guest co-host, and now Rubin Report veteran, I think I can say that, Vivek Ramaswamy. | ||
| His new book, Truths, The Future of America First, comes out next week. | ||
| The link, if you want to pre-order, is down below. | ||
| Comes out on September 24th and next week we'll have a special mini interview with Vivek just on the book. | ||
| But today we're just going to catch up on the news and well, Vivek, let me just say hi to you first before we dive into another assassination attempt and just the general state of lunacy, which just keeps getting ramped up. | ||
| How you doing, man? | ||
| I'm doing well, man. | ||
| All things considered, it is a little bit Odd to think about the fact that we have these history defining moments every few weeks. | ||
| Yeah, several of which are downright dark. | ||
| And we've gotten to a place where we're just sort of anesthetized, right? | ||
| We're just sort of dull, sort of accustomed, acclimated to this becoming normal in the United States. | ||
| I think that's actually the scariest part of the whole thing. | ||
| But I try to Revitalizing, we all have to get our sense of self back rather than just blasely going through the motions, doing what our iPhones tell us to do on a given day. | ||
| And I just think that's what's going on and what I see in the country, even after this disastrous assassination attempt yet again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, all right, let's dive into the specifics. | ||
| And I agree with you on that. | ||
| I sent out a tweet about how this news cycle has just kept us so crazy that we're only two months off the first assassination. | ||
| We're a month and a half assassination attempt. | ||
| We're only a month and a half off the coup. | ||
| I mean, there was a coup in America. | ||
| Nobody really wants to talk about that. | ||
| And now this one will be gone in three days, too. | ||
| It's just it's just absolutely crazy. | ||
| But quick headline, of course, everyone knows at this point from The Telegraph, Donald Trump targeted in second assassination attempt as he played golf. | ||
| And why don't we jump right over to the media part? | ||
| Because, Vivek, I know you're big on sort of the media narrative around all these things as well. | ||
| And over on the televised mental institution known as MSNBC, they immediately, I mean, basically as it was unfolding before we had really any info, they were already basically blaming Trump. | ||
| Take a look. | ||
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| Do you expect there to be calls from within the Trump campaign to do that? | ||
| Because he's going to reach out to his supporters and say, let's take this down. | ||
| We do not know, again, the source of any gunshot or gunshots. | ||
| We don't know Who's responsible for this? | ||
| The whole thing has yet to be 100 percent confirmed from start to finish, how this all played out. | ||
| But do you expect to hear anything from the Trump campaign about toning down the rhetoric, toning down the violence, or would that be atypical of the former president? | ||
| Well, Alex, remember back to the assassination attempt on President Trump's life and how, you know, there was talk of a new tone. | ||
| And then the Republican convention was, by Trumpian standards, muted. | ||
| And it did seem like he was, you know, just trying to take it down a few notches. | ||
| But then by the end of his convention speech, you know, we were kind of back to where we started. | ||
| So I don't know how long This moment of unity for the country where we come together and we say, I don't want any political opposition to be under threat of violence. | ||
| It's not okay. | ||
| Any threat of violence, you know, we don't want. | ||
| I would love for us to have a unity type moment, but I think it's probably going to be pretty fleeting as we've seen in the past. | ||
| Vivek, the reason I wanted to start with that clip is I am way more interested in narrative more than the little minutiae these days, just to watch how they constantly confuse everybody. | ||
| I mean, is irony completely dead when the day that the guy almost got shot for the second time in two months, they're asking him to tone down the rhetoric? | ||
| Yeah, it actually was just a category error, where if a guy has been the victim of politically motivated violence, by an assailant who allegedly has been exactly saying the exact kinds of things that Kamala Harris says about Donald Trump as a threat to democracy. | ||
| Exactly the kind of thing you hear on MSNBC on a given day. | ||
| The thing you might hear as a response, I'm not saying that they should say this or not, but the thing that might at least make sense to say is, hey, should we look ourselves in the mirror and say we need to tone down our rhetoric here? | ||
| Do we think the Democrats who have pointed to Donald Trump as the existential threat to the future of American democracy Do you think they should just frame this instead as a normal policy-oriented difference between two different candidates? | ||
| That might have been a reasonable thing to say, but that's not where they went. | ||
| They said, this man was shot. | ||
| Several months ago, he was actually shot. | ||
| And then this time around had shots fired at him yet again. | ||
| And the question is, should he be the one turning down the rhetoric? | ||
| It's the equivalent of, I mean, it's a classic example of the thing that the left says they don't like to do, which is blame the victim, right? | ||
| The equivalent of his skirt being too short or whatever, right? | ||
| That's, that's the kind of logic that they're applying, which is Insane, right? | ||
| It's something that defies basic reason of even the kind of argument you'd have about who's to be turning down the rhetoric, it wouldn't be the person who was actually shot at, it might be the person who was providing the kind of rhetoric that was allegedly at least used by the same person who committed this heinous act. | ||
| And so I'm not, I'm not going to be in this to play a blame game. | ||
| I just don't think that that's the right way to go. | ||
| But I do think that if you're going to go the direction of a blame game or a self reflection, it might go in a very different direction given the circumstances. | ||
| Right, I'm actually not for the blame game as much as I want people to have some tools to understand what they're doing to us all the time. | ||
| And I think one of the problems here, I'd love your take on this, one of the problems here is for years now, I mean we're basically about eight years into an entire machine calling this man Hitler and his supporters Nazis, would the logical conclusion not be for someone to take this into | ||
| their own hands. | ||
| That strikes me as the inherent problem here that they now have. | ||
| Like, how do you back out of that? | ||
| Well, if they really mean what they say, which I don't think they do. | ||
| But if you're really going to resort to rhetoric that Donald Trump is an | ||
| existential threat to the future of American democracy and you especially | ||
| you're not saying this back in 1915, a pre-internet era. | ||
| You're saying this at a time where you have rampant depression, rampant schizophrenia, mental health disorders raging across the American populace, and internet that preys on that, social media algorithms which feed on that. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| You're throwing kerosene on a fire that's already burning in the country. | ||
| And so, do I think that it would have been, and maybe she still will, the move of a leader for Kamala Harris or Joe Biden to address the country and say, you know what, we're going to lead the way in making sure that we're not demonizing our opponent, who's had two assassination attempts, two attempts on his life, a former president, And the nominee of one of the two major parties in the middle of an election, because the future of America depends on making sure that we don't resort to this culture of political violence, that we are going to take responsibility for making sure we're able to have civil debate without demonizing our opposition. | ||
| I think it might be something that You know, whether or not you agree with Kamala Harris or Joe Biden, you might give them credit for. | ||
| Yet that's not what you saw happen. | ||
| You see the propaganda machine in the media, at MSNBC and related outlets, that have instead tried to put the blame back on Trump for the attacks on his own life. | ||
| The truth of the matter is, I think that a lot of voters are probably angry when they see that. | ||
| I think in some ways that actually feeds the cycle of anger and frustration. | ||
| And the reality is we are in a moment where we do require real leadership. | ||
| And the person who's come closest to offering that is at a historic scale is actually Donald Trump himself, who after his first assassination attempt, when he was the person on the receiving end of a bullet that hit him, he's the one that called for national unity and calm rather than actually throwing kerosene on those flames. | ||
| And so I give Donald Trump a lot of credit. | ||
| He has literally at this point been under fire. | ||
| I'm not using that metaphorically, but I'm unfortunately using that literally. | ||
| But one of the things, Dave, that I'm going to watch for in the next few weeks, and I think I have a good sense of how it's going to go. | ||
| I think you do, too, is that a few weeks from now, this will have been forgotten. | ||
| The last two assassination attempts will have been forgotten, which is the normalization of the extraordinary in the worst possible way in America. | ||
| And that's what I worry most about. | ||
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| I want to juxtapose that with a little bit of the rhetoric from the Democrats because you're talking about Trump showing a vision for the country and all of that. | ||
| People may remember this from before they cooed Joe Biden when he said this and Lester Holt had to offer it up to him. | ||
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You called your opponent an existential threat on a call a week ago. | |
| You said it's time to put Trump in the bullseye. | ||
| There's some dispute about the context, but I think you appreciate that word. | ||
| I didn't say crosshairs. | ||
| I was talking about focus on. | ||
| Look, the truth of the matter was, what I guess I was talking about at the time was, there's very little focus on Trump's agenda. | ||
| Yeah, the term is bullseye. | ||
| It was a mistake to use the word. | ||
| I mean, bullseye, crosshairs. | ||
| It's almost, even watching that now, it's just so ridiculous that we were put through this for so long. | ||
| Since we're both sort of in agreement that the Democrats probably won't turn back on that, could you talk for a moment about how different being out there with Trump is at some of these events versus the way the media portrays it? | ||
| Because when I came around on Trump back in 2019, after not voting for him the first time, It was because I went to an event. | ||
| I actually went to an event by accident. | ||
| I was just driving home from lunch, stopped at a Trump thing in Beverly Hills, and I was blown away by the love and the skin colors and genders and all the other stupidity compared to the way the media frames it. | ||
| Yeah, look, I think that we should all just do this more is get to the real world without TV screens or social media algorithms intermediating your actual perception of reality. | ||
| I've had a chance to get to know Donald Trump. | ||
| I've known him for several years, but I've gotten to know him particularly well after I left the presidential race. | ||
| And what I will say is one of the things that stood out to me about him, which I, which I like quite a bit in a leader is his intellectual curiosity. | ||
| He's a guy who doesn't pretend to know something about something that he doesn't know about, right? | ||
| We talked about issues relating to the future of crypto or the central bank digital currency in the United States. | ||
| And one of the things that I've seen him do in real time, I've got a front row seat to this. | ||
| through my own conversations with him on many of these subjects, is to watch him reason and level with a new subject and with getting a range of views around the table before he arrives at an actual perspective. | ||
| That's the side of Donald Trump that people don't really get to see if they're just consuming the media's portrayal of him. | ||
| And that's what we should want in our leaders. | ||
| I think with Kamala Harris, I don't know her, but I will tell you that For somebody who is refusing to stake out policy positions in key areas, part of the reason is she's actually missing an intellectual curiosity to learn more about those policy positions. | ||
| And note, David, that's not a particularly partisan point, right? | ||
| You could have somebody who's deeply intellectually curious and lands on the other side of political questions from you and I, who I would still respect as somebody who's curious enough to really have their own views challenged and then to have conviction in the views they espouse. | ||
| And I think that's true about Donald Trump in a way that just isn't true about Joe Biden. | ||
| He obviously has suffered from severe cognitive deficits. | ||
| But there's a reason for this is that Kamala Harris's policy deficits are in some ways, the same reason that you have Joe Biden's cognitive deficits is that those are not a bug, but a feature to the people who actually manage and control them. | ||
| And I think that that's actually the deeper rub of what's going on is it's a bastardization of our politics. | ||
| So it's one thing is if you have two thoughtful candidates who deeply disagree, It's another if you have a candidate who really isn't a candidate, but is just an instrument for a deeper system. | ||
| And that I think is really closer to the flame of what's going on with the modern version of the Democratic Party. | ||
| Right, so I've been describing her as sort of the perfect avatar for everything that the Democrats have become, because she doesn't seemingly really believe in any of her positions other than attaining power. | ||
| She'll kind of say anything and then have the media run for her. | ||
| But what do you think that says about the, I guess, the Democrat base? | ||
| Like, I don't think most of the base believes anything about her, really, or believes that she has great positions. | ||
| I just think they think she's not Trump. | ||
| This is actually one of the core points that I make in my book and why I was intent on publishing it ahead of the election. | ||
| It's coming out next week. | ||
| I don't really think we're up against an ideology here in Kamala Harris. | ||
| I think that's a little different than the classical critique that she's a Marxist or a socialist. | ||
| I think in some ways that's giving her too much credit, actually. | ||
| I don't think we're up against a particular candidate here. | ||
| I think we're up against a machine. | ||
| And the question is, how do we get in there and actually dismantle that machine, rather than just playing whack-a-mole with one of the candidates at a time? | ||
| I think there's a reason we didn't have that red wave in 2022 that we were supposedly promised to enjoy. | ||
| And I think that the Republican Party, we've in some ways become addicted to complaining about the easy stuff, the radical Biden agenda, the radical Harris agenda, without actually offering, first of all, an alternative vision of our own. | ||
| And second of all, waking up to the fact that it's not those individual candidates we're up against anyway, we're really up against that entire apparatus. | ||
| It's like a, it's like a perverse version of the San Antonio Spurs or something. | ||
| You just, you just move around. | ||
| It doesn't matter who's actually on the court. | ||
| It's the same system or the machine. | ||
| This is the hellish upside down version of that. | ||
| But the reality is that's, I think, something we got to wake up to as a movement. | ||
| And that is one of the things that I aim to do, certainly in the book. | ||
| And part of the reason why I took the time to make sure we put this out before the election, we still have. | ||
| Whatever, 50 or so days yet to wake up and get our act together. | ||
| And I think the more likely we are to focus on our own vision and our own agenda, irrespective of the puppet on the other side, the more successful we're going to be. | ||
| The more we actually obsess over the particularities of any one candidate we're up against. | ||
| I think the more we're actually being led down a trap and it's a trap that the other side has, I think, laid quite effectively. | ||
| So if that's all true, and I largely believe that, let me ask you the hardest possible question, which would be, there was a video when you were still running, I think a day or two before the Iowa caucus, where you were chatting with a woman, this went viral, and she was asking you who she was going to vote for, it was between you and Trump, and you basically said to her, well, they won't let Trump be president again. | ||
| Um, if that, if that is true, then, and I think you just laid out the case for perhaps why that is true, then how do we get out of this? | ||
| I mean, it's a, it's a scary thought. | ||
| Like what's the point of all of this then? | ||
| I mean, sheer fortitude, fortitude of will is ultimately what's going to achieve it at this point. | ||
| Our founding fathers made immense sacrifices that in their era were deemed to be impossible. | ||
| In 1776, a backwater nation, a collection of Eastern seaboard colonies ended up defeating arguably the most powerful empire in the world at the time in a way that nobody thought. | ||
| It required great sacrifice. | ||
| 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence. | ||
| Went on to have their land seized. | ||
| 12 of them had their homes ransacked and burned to the ground by the British. | ||
| Five of them had their own private property seized, but they were also captured and tortured themselves by the British. | ||
| I think nine of them died in the Revolutionary War. | ||
| Three more of them had their kids die in the Revolutionary War. | ||
| Well, I do think that there's a reason they made those sacrifices, is that they beat the odds to achieve what was necessary. | ||
| They believed whatever is necessary is always possible. | ||
| And I think we have to cling to that same belief today. | ||
| Donald Trump, I am saddened by this reality, but the truth of the matter is you cited what I said at the Iowa caucus. | ||
| Well, now where are we sitting just nine short months later? | ||
| There've been two assassination attempts in a period of three months. | ||
| It's disgusting. | ||
| They've had multiple attempts, this time in the case of the government, to remove him from the ballot. | ||
| They've had attempts to prosecute him. | ||
| All that's coming from the government. | ||
| But the reality is, whether it's the individual one-off, you know, actions here of crazy people taking literally gunshots at the U.S. | ||
| president to even a systematic response of the U.S. | ||
| government trying to prosecute him in the middle of an election on multiple different cases at the same time, extrajudicially trying to remove him from the ballot without going through even the court system to do it, civil cases, you name it. | ||
| Yeah, you have a system that has an allergic response to not just one man, but the movement that he represents. And | ||
| at this point, with 50 days away, none of those tricks have worked, thank God. And the | ||
| ultimate choice we have left is, how are we actually going to revive the country in the same | ||
| way our founding fathers did? | ||
| It's going to be through sheer force of will and hopefully to our vision of just running to | ||
| I don't think that it's going to be successful enough to just rail against the radical Kamala agenda as we did against Biden. | ||
| I think we've got to offer our own vision of here's what we're actually running to. | ||
| Here's what it means to be an American today. | ||
| Basic ideas like merit and free speech and open debate and the rule of law and self-governance. | ||
| I mean, even that idea that people we elect to run the government should be the ones who actually run the government. | ||
| Those are bigger than traditional Republican ideas. | ||
| We are going through, I think, a great political realignment right now. | ||
| You're seeing many people who are independents or libertarians or even Democrats saying that, you know what, I don't care what the Democratic Party is feeding me. | ||
| I need to go in a different direction, even if I don't agree with 100% of what Donald Trump says on a given day. | ||
| Heck, I don't agree with 100% of what Donald Trump says. | ||
| No two people in this country, it'd be kind of strange if they did. | ||
| But I think you're seeing that type of commitment to the basic principles of the country. | ||
| And in some ways, that is what this election is coming down to. | ||
| And I'm hopeful that, you know, we're going to emerge stronger on the other side of it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If you tell me there's a team and the team's got Trump and it's got Elon and it's got RFK and it's got Tulsi, it's like, oh, that's kind of wide. | ||
| And that does seem like it fits most of the country. | ||
| I just want to ask you one other thing on this, and then we'll move on to some of the other, some of the other issues right now. | ||
| And a lot of them are happening in your home state of Ohio. | ||
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| There was a line, I don't know if you saw Brett Weinstein on Joe Rogan's podcast a couple weeks ago, but he basically said that, in essence, the popularity of Trump has to outpace what he called the cheat margin. | ||
| Does that seem right to you, that they can sort of figure out things perhaps, but that if it's overwhelming, that that really will be the only sort of electoral way out of this? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you see on the tactics on the ground, you could debate which is nominally legal, which ones are nominally illegal, but the idea of ballot harvesting, early voting, the kinds of measures that were passed in the context of a pandemic that have now become part of the ordinary part of the way we conduct elections. | ||
| You could debate the technical legality or illegality of a lot of these measures. | ||
| But the fact of the matter is that has been an area where Democrats have been far ahead of Republicans. | ||
| And so I don't think that a ordinary 50.1 in traditional voting is going to be sufficient for potentially A, winning the election, but B, even governing according to a real mandate that we're going to need in order to save the country. | ||
| I think we need a landslide and a landslide minus some shenanigans is still going to be a victory. | ||
| I also think that yes, as important as it is to elect Trump, one of the interesting things going on in this election, I don't think interesting for the better, but interesting as in true. | ||
| Is that most of the Senate candidates in swing states and even other states are trailing like not by a little bit, but significantly trailing where even Donald Trump is polling in those states, which means there are scenarios where Donald Trump could win the White House, but we don't have a majority of the Senate, which I think would significantly clip his wings and being able to at least legislatively. | ||
| command a second term agenda. | ||
| And I think that that's equally important that we actually have commanding majorities across the board. | ||
| So for so many reasons, not only for actually determining who occupies the White House, we are skating on ice, I think that 50.1 is not a sufficient margin. | ||
| But even for the purpose of governing, I think we're going to need to do a lot better than that in order to really have decisive change in this country. | ||
| Let's jump over to your home state of Ohio because the last week outside of the assassination attempt, the big story was whether cats are being eaten in Springfield, Ohio, and how many goose or geese people are taken out of rivers and doing God knows what with. | ||
| So let me read a tweet here from Nick Sorter. | ||
| I thought this was pretty Pretty interesting. | ||
| And probably will go underreported since it goes against the narrative. | ||
| Ohio Governor Mike DeWine is sending 2.5 million and state troopers to Springfield after illegal migrants take over. | ||
| But wait, I thought the media said the town's migrant crisis is fake news. | ||
| Another day, another lie. | ||
| The governor says Haitian migrants are creating health and traffic issues. | ||
| And we've been hearing reports for days that illegal migrants who have no insurance are crashing into innocent Americans and simply driving off. | ||
| These dramatic surges impact every citizen of the community. | ||
| Every citizen, DeWine said, noting additional influxes are occurring in Findlay and Lima, Ohio. | ||
| Moms who have to wait hours in a waiting room with a sick child, everyone who drives on the streets, and it affects children who go to school in more clouded classrooms. | ||
| Vivek, can you talk a little bit about perhaps the reality of what's going on there? | ||
| Because we're getting all sorts of wild reports on one hand from MSNBC saying there's nothing to see there whatsoever, there's no evidence of any crime, any problems or anything else, to all sorts of audio of 911 calls of people saying they're seeing these things happen. | ||
| Or maybe you could speak more broadly about what's going on demographically in Ohio right now. | ||
| It's obviously a swing state, so I'll just give you a softball there and you take it in whatever direction you want to go. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, look, I obviously was born and raised in Cincinnati, Ohio. | ||
| I live in Columbus today. | ||
| Springfield's right in between. | ||
| I spent a lot of time in Springfield as a kid, actually. | ||
| You and I were talking before. | ||
| I'm an avid tennis player. | ||
| I used to play tennis at the tournament at Wittenberg University in Springfield. | ||
| I have cousins who are just the same as my age, grew up in Springfield. | ||
| We would spend a lot of time together. | ||
| For me, it's just almost, it wasn't my hometown, but it's a place that's really familiar to my youth, almost as if it was my hometown. | ||
| So it's a little bit painful to watch what's happening there, not just in the context of the national news, but what's happened to this city in Ohio. | ||
| And, you know, I think in some ways the left-wing media got exactly its wish by fixating, this is their classic tactic, on some sort of more peripheral issue around the edge, rather than to actually focus on the essence of what's happening. | ||
| And here's the essence of what's happening, Dave. | ||
| I think it is a divide and conquer strategy from the top, from the Biden-Harris administration. | ||
| It's a classic move, and I can talk about other areas where they pulled this move. | ||
| But in here, if you're literally going to take tens of thousands of migrants from a country that are not ready yet to assimilate in the United States, don't speak the language, may not speak it or understand it well enough to follow traffic laws. | ||
| require social services at a scale much greater than even people who already live here, you are | ||
| necessarily inviting some kind of backlash from that community. The reality is many of these | ||
| people were brought here on temporary protective status. | ||
| Note the word temporary at the front of that and were literally dumped in towns like Springfield in | ||
| ways that the way I look at this is of all of the 70,000 some odd people in Springfield | ||
| including the native people who live there as well as the migrants who were brought there. | ||
| I don't blame any of them for what's going on in Springfield. | ||
| Fact of the matter is that many Americans were in the position of Haitians living in Haiti under really awful conditions. | ||
| We'd probably do the same thing if we were offered the ability to get to the United States of America. | ||
| So I don't blame the Haitians who were there. | ||
| I don't blame the native residents of Springfield. | ||
| I blame the policies of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, which in many ways have turned these Haitian migrants into political pawns to do what? | ||
| To provoke a backlash that they're then able to blame. | ||
| This is a familiar divide-and-conquer playbook. | ||
| It's exactly what you see the same administration pulling with respect to their so-called anti-racist policies. | ||
| There is no better way to create anti-black racism in this country than to take something of value away from somebody else based on their skin color, if they're white or they're Asian. | ||
| That's exactly what they've done with these affirmative action programs, which is part of why you then do see an uptick in anti-black racism. | ||
| in response to taking something else away from somebody else based on their skin color. | ||
| These are just predictable responses to these policies that pit people in the United States | ||
| of America against one another. | ||
| That's the predictable response. | ||
| Of course they knew that was the predictable response and yet then blame the other side | ||
| for dividing. | ||
| I don't think you get to do that and I think the reality is our side does own the moral | ||
| high ground here. | ||
| We view every human being with dignity. | ||
| It's not the fault of the individual illegal migrants who are just taking perfect advantage | ||
| of what the United States is offering them. | ||
| It's the fault of the United States for failing to select for the right kinds of immigrants | ||
| to enter this country and the right kind of immigrants to enter the country should be | ||
| those who know. | ||
| Maximally improve the lives of Americans who are already here and who already have a deep commitment to the civic ideals of the United States, speak the language and are able to assimilate into the U.S. | ||
| That's the hard truth. | ||
| And it's the uncomfortable reality that this is somewhere between gross negligence and intentionality, a divide and conquer strategy that sadly, Dave, has worked. | ||
| We're seeing that in action in places like Springfield today. | ||
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| Would you say it is fair to say that there is an intentionality to what Elon Musk has been talking a lot about, which is that they are also trying to import voters? | ||
| So it's not just divide and conquer, and oh, see, the Republicans are racist, because these Haitians happen to be black, but it's also like, oh, get them on the dole. | ||
| And congratulations, they'll vote for us forever. | ||
| Well, the reality is this has been actually what Democrats said even dating back to 2012, that mass migration, including illegal migration into the country, was part of a long-run electoral strategy for Democrats. | ||
| Don't take that from me or Elon Musk. | ||
| You could take that from what Democratic strategists themselves were saying around the time of 2012. | ||
| Even in the last couple of weeks, Nancy Pelosi has said that. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| You go straight down the list. | ||
| There's an extensive thought piece in Political Magazine back then. | ||
| There were a number of politicians, Biden, Pelosi, Mayorkas. | ||
| They've all gestured towards this over the years, but now it's uncouth to say it. | ||
| So again, it's a classic move they pull. | ||
| On one hand, they will offer what is a strategy. | ||
| When you observe it as such, then you'd be called a bigot for observing it rather than | ||
| actually engaging with the content of what they were doing. | ||
| There's something I try to do in the book, Dave, is I think that a lot of conservatives | ||
| I think are caught in their heart. | ||
| They know what's going on but may miss, let's just say, how to state the arguments in a | ||
| way that can actually convince their friends and bring them along. | ||
| I think we actually need more open dinner table conversation in America. | ||
| We're not having enough of that. | ||
| And one of the reasons I wrote this particular book, Truths is really different than my first book, Woke Inc, is that I want to arm people with those dinner table conversation elements, which is, you know, like I end each chapter with just five bullet points on exactly how you're able to break down the fact that an open border is not a border. | ||
| There's a whole chapter related to this very topic, including the long run incentives that Democrats have electorally for the structural advantages they gain from mass migration, including illegal migration into the country. | ||
| And, you know, one of the chapters in the book speaks directly to this. | ||
| Facts are not conspiracies. | ||
| Those are just hard facts. | ||
| So I think that we have to resist the temptation where some of the things that you and I are talking about, they're the kinds of things that are considered uncouth. | ||
| But you know, I think we have to, we have to hold ourselves to a higher standard, because that's exactly the standard we're held to in the public domain anyway. | ||
| But if we're really rigorous and tied to the facts, and I think we're able to bring a lot of people along who may have been one time Democrats or independents, But who actually understand that, you know, there's nothing incorrect about what you and I just said. | ||
| This is a long run incentive for Democrats. | ||
| They've been viewing it as electoral strategy for a long time. | ||
| And it's wrong. | ||
| It leaves the United States of America and all Americans here more divided and worse off. | ||
| And we got to be able to speak those hard truths. | ||
| So that's something I hope to achieve in writing this book. | ||
| And it's again, why I was so keen on putting it out before the election, rather than afterwards, so people could actually begin to really open their eyes. |
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