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Stephen A. Smith Loses His Cool over Biden’s Racist Ad Hypocrisy
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dave rubin
All right, I'm Dave Rubin.
This is The Rubin Report, and it's time for another Friday roundtable extravaganza, and we have not had more than two guests in a long, long time.
We are gonna push the limits of the internet today.
We've got the hosts of Crane & Company on The Daily Wire, Jake Crane, Blaine Crane, and David Cohn.
Jake, Blaine, David, welcome to The Rubin Report.
jake crain
Thanks for having us, man.
There hadn't been this many guys around the roundtable since King Arthur was sitting at it.
dave rubin
Exactly, exactly.
I'm going to start, most importantly, with the guy not named Crane, David Cohn.
I just want to say, big fan of yours from the Royals, Yankees, Mets.
I'm sure you've never heard that joke before.
Do you have a stock line for that one?
david cone
Oh yeah, of course.
I say I would never pitch for the Mets, are you kidding me?
Or really, the Yankees, for that matter.
But, David Cohn did send me a Twitter message last year, right guys?
You guys can verify this.
jake crain
That's true.
david cone
And he said, keep up the great work, brother from another mother.
So David Cohn does know I exist, and that made me feel good inside.
jake crain
If y'all met, like, it could create like a time warp.
david cone
Oh, the space-time continuum.
jake crain
It's one of those inceptions.
blain crain
You're gonna start spinning.
jake crain
Spinning a dreidel.
david cone
Yeah, I've seen that one.
dave rubin
I loved it.
I'm a lifelong Yankees fan, so I loved Cohn from back in those years.
Although, you know, he was on those early Mets teams, and they were a pretty funky crew.
They were putting some stuff up their noses, and I think some weird stuff was going on in the dugout.
Do you hear those stories?
jake crain
Yeah, look, it's funny.
I mean, you go back even further, they were just eating hot dogs, drinking beers and playing baseball.
But no, there's some very, very interesting stories about that old Mets team, like the Steelers team, the old Steelers teams in the NFL.
Let's just, let's say they had a little extra juice.
Let's just put it that way.
dave rubin
We'll put it that way.
Speaking of extra juice, you guys are not only sports commentators, but you're also big-time movie stars.
We've got an image of you guys in Lady Ballers.
There you are.
That was the Daily Wire's big comedy, genital-related movie.
Any thoughts on doing that?
That's the natural hair there, right?
jake crain
A lot of thoughts.
Making it was a lot of fun, even though I never thought I'd get paid to dunk a basketball on girls dressed up as a girl.
But the fact that this is even an issue, like with the men and women sports thing, when there's so many other important things that we should be attacking.
I've said this multiple times.
One of the reasons that aliens won't talk to us is because we continue to do stupid things like this, and I wouldn't either if it was me.
david cone
I think a lot of things just fell right into place for us.
We became friends with Riley Gaines, who's been a champion of this movement, keeping men out of women's sports.
Don't go stand on the podium and hoist trophies that are designed for women.
Two, we always used to joke with Ben Shapiro whenever we'd interview him about getting Blaine to infiltrate the WNBA.
blain crain
We tried.
david cone
And just see how many points.
Let's legitimately do, let's play out this ludicrous experiment.
And then the third thing is Jeremy Boring wanted to make a comedy movie, a sports comedy.
He came to us, they trusted us, and I think the concept that they set of, let's make the type of movie that only the Daily Wire can make, the type of movie that Hollywood will not make right now.
And it just, everything fell right into place.
What an opportunity for us.
blain crain
Well, we saw Hollywood make it back in the 2000s, where actually comedy movies were actually funny.
Go back to Dodgeball, Beer Fest, I Get A Wedding Crash, it was old school.
All these movies are hilarious.
And to my, in my opinion, this was just a layup.
jake crain
Yeah.
blain crain
I mean, this is just a hilarious layup subject.
And right now, I mean, it's an invasion on women's sports.
And there's not enough women and there's not enough men coming to stand up against this.
Now, I tell you right now, these three guys on the studio in this set every day, no matter what it is, always will fight against this battle.
And the movie is not only funny, but it's really good.
And that's a great message at the end of it.
dave rubin
Yeah, and I've been saying for like three years, I mean, the way the whole woke nonsense in sports ends is there is gonna be the most washed up, six foot eight, 250, you know, small forward, power forward in the NBA who's scoring three points a game and he's 38 years old, he's gonna retire, put on a dress, saves a woman, average a triple double in WNBA, the feminists will be cheering him on, and then everyone will finally realize how ridiculous the whole freaking thing was all along.
jake crain
I agree with you 100%.
You see all these periphery sports, and no disrespect to track and field and things like that, the minute it gets into women's basketball or women's softball or one of these sports in the forefront, it's going to kill the narrative.
That's why they won't let it happen.
Volleyball, it almost happened, and they quashed it at the college level.
Now, in high school, we all know what happened to that poor girl recently, but it's ludicrous, man.
It really is.
david cone
is.
It's like the Mrs. Doubtfire, you know, white chicks, that sort of thing, and that was just a traditional comedy, and now in just two decades, we've come so far that we can make a movie about the same subject matter, but bring up the trans element to it, and it's completely different, and Hollywood won't touch it at all.
dave rubin
I'm 47 with a torn ACL in the left knee and one of these days I'm just getting some prosthetic boobs and I'm going to play in the WNBA.
That's how it's going to work.
All right, so we're going to hit a bunch of stuff with you guys kind of related to sports and culture and how these things have collided and usually, in my opinion, have unfortunately made sports too political.
But let's start off with a guy who does kind of what you guys do for a living, Stephen A. Smith, who I find to be an interesting guy.
Not just because he talks like this, but also because he sometimes get a lot of stuff right and then suddenly goes really wrong with a bunch of stuff.
So Joe Biden put out this video where he was eating fried chicken and talking basketball with a family of black people.
unidentified
Take a look.
Why don't you share about your passion of sports?
I'm playing AAU basketball right now.
Oh, you're really?
Are you a guard?
Yes, sir.
Now, what grade are you in?
Seventh grade.
Seventh grade.
Right now, I'm just doing basketball, playing guard on the JV team for my school.
dave rubin
And Stephen A. rightfully called out the hypocrisy if a certain orange man had done such a crazy thing.
stephen a smith
Because ladies and gentlemen, if we're being fair, If we saw Donald Trump sit down in a black household eating fried chicken with a father and a son, what would we say?
unidentified
What would we say?
What would we say?
You know folks out there would be calling it racist.
Well, if it's racist for him, and I'm not saying it would be, but if it's racist for him, why wouldn't it be racist for Biden?
dave rubin
All right, I'll let you guys hit the political portion.
I would just like to say, I love basketball and I love fried chicken.
I don't know if that makes me racist or whatever, but I just want to put it out there.
But do you agree with Stephen A?
I mean, if Trump had done this, would this have been racist?
jake crain
Yeah, without a doubt.
I mean, Trump could save, you know, burning puppies from a car, and if they happen to be Black Labs, somehow it would still be racist.
Yet Joe Biden can sit down and... Here's the... When it comes to Stephen A, there are moments where I agree with what Stephen A says.
Now, do I think he kind of talks out of both sides of his mouth?
depending on which way the pendulum swings.
Yes, I do.
I think he acts different around different people, but every now and then again,
he'll hit something I agree with.
My biggest thing is, at the end of the day, why isn't Joe Biden eating fried chicken?
Why are you eating a burger?
Like why is everybody else eating fried chicken?
But again, it's just one of those double standards where, it's impossible to be racist as a Democrat, apparently.
This is the same guy, same old white guy, who helped sign the crime bill, who did deals with Strom Thurmond, sitting down at a table with a family eating fried chicken, and also saying, if you don't vote for me, you're not black.
So it's a huge double standard.
It's just, at this point, it's laughable, but I think everybody sees it.
david cone
You know, the biggest evidence of the double standard is Biden did a thing And Donald Trump's name gets brought up.
Like Stephen A. Smith still brings up Biden's name.
That's how you understand.
Stephen A. Smith, I feel like if he walked in here right now, I feel like we would all have a great time.
We'd have a great conversation.
I've seen this man in person at SEC Media Days walk around and take a selfie photo with every single person standing in line.
I saw that with my own eyes.
Took him about 45 minutes.
That's how I feel about him.
You know, walk in here, we'd have a great conversation and then sometimes he goes on ESPN and I think he just understands very well that his checks are signed by Disney and he has to say some of these things and I hate it because I don't think that's how he really feels about a lot of it.
blain crain
Yeah, I agree.
Depends on what network Stephen A. Smith is on.
Right.
You see ESPN, you get to Stephen A of, you know, seeing the difference between Joel Embiid scoring 70 points and Luka Doncic scoring 70 points.
And you haven't seen what he said on those remarks.
I would like you to go look at that.
But then you see him on Hannity.
jake crain
Yeah.
blain crain
And oh God, it's everything we agree with this, this, this and that.
Definitely not ESPN.
I would definitely not do that.
Stephen A. Smith changes who he is depending on the network he's on.
But I will say this about the Joe Biden thing.
You know, I love fried chicken.
Two, I've never met any racist chickens.
And three, how many times did Joe Biden trip on the way to getting to this house?
I'm surprised he didn't come up all bloody and bruised.
I guess he got carried.
But this is not surprising.
It's Joe Biden.
He's more racist than anybody.
dave rubin
So I want to throw to another clip of Stephen A, because now let's do Stephen A that, okay, maybe it sort of makes sense.
Maybe it was racist or we can relate it to Trump or something like that.
But to make the other point, here he is going after my buddy, Clay Travis, for talking about DEI in sports and a whole bunch more.
unidentified
Why did you leave out what provoked DEI?
Why did you leave out what provoked affirmative action?
stephen a smith
To sit up there and call for its eradication across the board, where race and color and gender and sexual orientation and all of this other stuff doesn't get taken into consideration.
unidentified
Why do you ignore why it existed to begin with?
If you acknowledged why it existed to begin with, and you said that was then, this is now, I would feel you.
Because at least you're taking ownership of the iniquitous acts of the past by your race of people.
Not all, not most, but some.
And if you take ownership of it, then you're empowering yourself to change it.
But if you don't take ownership of it, you could never, ever, ever be inclined or provoke To change.
dave rubin
I just think whether you agree with the guy or not, the way he talks makes you just wanna listen and that's why he's getting the paycheck.
But okay, going after Clay for DEI, I mean, we should not have institutionalized racism.
That would be the sort of bumper sticker for me on that, but what do you guys think?
jake crain
Well, I always laugh when people try to fight racism with racism.
Like, that's like trying to fight obesity by seeing how many, you know, Snickers you can eat in an hour and a half.
It just, it doesn't make sense.
My problem with what Stephen A said is, Clay Travis was never a slave owner.
unidentified
Clay Travis, I've never seen Clay actually be racist.
jake crain
I've never been a slave owner, right?
I think at some point it's a lack of knowledge, historically.
Yes, there's been inequities in the past.
There's been inequities in the past going from continent to continent, from different colors of people.
Any type of inequity, I think, is a bad thing on its face.
But at the end of the day, we live in an era now where we don't need to fight racism with racism.
The few times where it happens, and it can happen to every race, Because racism is not owned by one race, but what Stephen A is saying there is basically like, well, Clay Travis, you're not acknowledging what's happened in the past, so therefore you can't talk about what happens in the future.
I haven't done anything to anybody, and if you know history, this isn't a one-trick pony.
david cone
Well, Stephen A. Smith better not tune in to what we had to say about the Emmett Smith DEI conversation this week at the University of Florida.
You know, Florida stripped those 13 positions for DEI based off the Board of Governors, and that was the right move.
And Emmett Smith, the NFL's all-time leading rusher comes out and says, "This decision absolutely disgusts me."
And what I had to say about it was, since when does diversity, when is that word synonymous
with one particular race of people?
And Dave, this is where I have to give you a lot of credit.
I mean, you've been a big inspiration for me, just the growth that I've experienced personally
and politically over the last few years, because I remember a time when I would describe myself
as libertarian or classically liberal, and you had the courage to have people like Larry Elder
And not just have him on your show, but when Larry Elder would come in and bring stats and bring facts, you would listen to him and you'd change your opinion.
And, you know, kudos to you because that's why, you know, we started this show and why we're at The Daily Wire and hopefully standing up for these same sorts of things on the sports front.
dave rubin
Oh, well, I appreciate that.
He beat the liberal out of me, I think that's what they say.
He beat the libtard out of me, something like that.
david cone
He did it in such a great way, you know?
Those interviews will stand the test of time.
People, listen to those 20 years from now, man.
dave rubin
You know what, it was, in retrospect, it was absolutely beautiful, and Larry and I eventually obviously became great friends, and I was literally campaigning with him to become governor of California during the Newsome recall, which didn't work out, but like, what a great sort of piece of that story.
Let me ask you something, and then I want to connect this to something with Charles Barkley, but generally about the amount of time you guys have to spend talking about social issues or cultural issues or political issues.
When do you want to do a sports show?
I mean, that seems to be the thing that has crushed ESPN, and yet everyone is sort of stuck under that doing the biz that you guys are in.
jake crain
Yeah, well, and it's funny, Dave, because really, if you watch our show, Crane & Company, we don't talk about politics unless there's some intersectionality with sports where we can avoid it.
Like men and women's sports.
To me, that's not even political.
Just like it's not political for me to put my blinker on in the highway.
It's a safety issue.
You talk about NIL and college kids getting paid now.
That's a political issue, but it's something we have to talk about because it's affecting the sport.
What we want to do is we want to be that old school sports show that has common sense, talk about the culture stuff when we absolutely have to.
We don't go reaching for it.
We're not trying to get soundbites or race bait or clickbait or any of that.
I remember the days of me growing up and watching SportsCenter.
Three times in a row and not hearing a word about politics, just highlights and analysis.
And then baseball tonight came on after that.
That's what we want our show to be.
And I think that's why we've had the success we've had, because if there ever is an intersectionality where we have to cover it, we just use common sense, man.
I know it's like I said, when I was coaching, I don't care if you're white, black, blue, Green, yellow, tall or short.
I want you to either throw strikes, be able to catch the ball, or be able to put the ball in the basket.
That's all I care about and that's what we try and keep it at Crandon Company for as much as possible.
And that's why ESPN has hit this iceberg and them and Billy Zane and everybody's just looking for a lifeboat at this point.
dave rubin
You know it's funny you mention that because the thing that kind of made me want to do what I now do for a living is I used to watch SportsCenter like literally three four hours in a row and it was back back in the day with with Craig Kilbourne and Olbermann and they were funny as hell.
Olbermann?
jake crain
Yeah!
dave rubin
And now Olbermann is a complete lunatic because of politics, but they used to make sports funny and talk about it in a new way.
But let's talk about Barkley for a minute, because I'm an old school 80s, 90s NBA guy.
I've loved Barkley my entire life.
I love how politically incorrect he is.
I think he gets 90 plus percent of it right, but I think he dropped the ball on something here related to Trump.
Surprise, surprise, take a look.
unidentified
What did you think?
Big sigh.
First of all, I'm just going to say this.
If I see a black person walking around with Trump mugs, I'm going to punch him in the face.
Charles.
No, Gail.
You really can't say that, because A, you don't mean that.
Oh, I mean that sincerely.
I'm going to just tell you something.
And then you will be arrested for assault.
And then what?
I'm going to bail myself out and go celebrate.
Don't encourage him.
Don't encourage him.
OK, but go ahead.
Seriously.
Continue.
First of all, if I was at that, At that conference, yeah.
I would've got up and walked out.
That was an insult to all black people.
dave rubin
Alright, first off, my producer just told me that apparently there's a picture of Mike Tyson wearing a Trump mugshot t-shirt, so we're gonna put that up right now.
I suspect Charles Barkley's not gonna punch Mike Tyson!
jake crain
No, look, if you've ever seen Charles Barkley swing a golf club, I don't think he could hit somebody in the face if they stood still with their eyes closed.
Here's what I'll say.
I'm from Auburn.
You know where Charles Barkley played.
Charles Barkley is a legend.
Again, I'm one of those people, and I say the same thing about Taylor Swift, not to put the cart before the horse, but I don't rely on great basketball analysts for incredible political commentary.
Just like I don't go ask the baker down the street if he can make me a sword.
Or I'm so glad when we weren't developing the A-bomb at the Manhattan Project, they just picked the best singer that we had in the country to go try and develop it.
That's not how it works.
Charles says some things I laugh at.
I think he's really a comedian at the end of the day.
Do I think this is a clip that they took out of context that maybe Charles hadn't heard before, that they only played in that context and it upset him?
I think that's a possibility.
But at the end of the day, I'm not going to be swayed.
I'm not going to go up or down based on the political You know, innuendo or whatever of Charles Barkley.
And I saw Wesley Hunt the other day say, listen, I know Charles is six foot six, but he ain't punching me in the face.
And I guarantee he's not.
So, uh, look, if I, when I care about Charles Barkley, what's he, what I love him during March Madness, the NCAA tournament, love him on, uh, you know, inside the NBA and him and Ernie and Shaq.
I think they do an incredible job, but I just, this is one of those things I just look at breaking news.
blain crain
You can't take anything serious.
david cone
Charles Barkley says just terrible, man.
Trump is terrible!
dave rubin
It's funny, because he knew, as he was saying it, he knew that she was gonna run cover for him, too, right?
Like, he was like, yeah, I'll punch him in the face.
Come on, let's do this little skit.
Let's jump over to some NFL stuff, because obviously, you know, we've watched all the leagues go woke to some degree or another.
During the Super Bowl, there was an ad that there was a whole bunch of controversy about.
unidentified
Let's show it.
(soft music)
Don't have to tell you I love your precious heart.
I, I was there then.
You were there, two worlds collided, and they could never tear us apart.
[theme music]
We can live for a thousand years.
dave rubin
Jesus didn't teach hate.
He washed feet.
And there you've got a whole bunch of people washing all sorts of people's feet.
A lot of people were not thrilled about this or felt that the messaging was off or at least confused a bit.
What's your take, guys?
david cone
You know, we talked about this ad the very day after the Super Bowl with Michael Knowles, right here in this studio.
And Michael said, hey, that ad is not meant for us, right?
That ad is not meant for people who are already going to church on a regular basis, who are already comfortable in their spirituality.
It's meant to bring new people over.
And we said, Michael, I understand that take, certainly.
but if you water something down so much to the point where it's really unrecognizable, then what is the point?
And that's kind of what we talk a lot about when we talk about professional sports leagues.
If you have a sport like football that's so heavy in its pursuit of globalization or corporatism,
that it abandoned its core demographic, we talked about this with Bud Light as well,
then you really are standing for nothing at the end of the day.
unidentified
I like the idea of what they were trying to do, but I thought the execution was very, very poor.
jake crain
You can call it dilution, you can call it what you want.
Let's be honest, outside of who already wasn't a believer in that sense, who did that change?
How many people did that really bring over?
I think it had no effect.
And the second thing is, look, I'm going to wash my own feet, but I'm not touching anybody's feet.
Yeah, I'm not into that.
I don't care what you look like or where you're from.
blain crain
I'm all for getting them to come over, but I don't want them to come over thinking they're just gonna wash their feet when they get here.
jake crain
That's not part of the deal.
david cone
The message of Jesus loved everyone and Jesus would wash the feet of anyone is such a powerful one.
It's the main ethos of the New Testament.
That message could be delivered in such a better way.
Look, let us do it.
We'll do it for half.
Let us make the next Super Bowl commercial.
I promise everyone will love it.
dave rubin
Right, that unfortunately was couched in sort of the oppression Olympics version of reality that these people have.
Since you mentioned Bud Light, let's just talk about that for just a second.
What do you make of sort of the ongoing, I guess it's not as on at the moment, but it seems to me that Bud Light is just done as a brand.
I know they're pouring a ton of money into getting people to talk about them and pretend they're drinking again, but I'd never see anyone with Bud Light Blaine still loves it.
blain crain
This is a deflection thing for Cone.
Cone loves Bud Light so apparently he was seen on vacation with Dylan Mulvaney a couple months ago.
unidentified
Here's what I'll say.
jake crain
Sometimes I go back to the Jonah Hill on the soccer field super bad rule.
People don't forget.
Like I'm a guy, I was a Bud Light drinker before this.
That was my go-to beer and now Number one, every time I look at a Bud Light and I open it, I just see Dylan Mulvaney's face looking back at me.
And number two is, I don't, I can't, and I don't know anybody else out there that I'm buddies with that drank it before, that even if nobody's at the bar, You're afraid to ask the bartender for a Bud Light because it's so bad, let alone anybody being around so they can pour all the money they want into it.
They can put all these celebrities in it and try and make it cool.
They could have Paul Revere running to hand off a Bud Light to Benjamin Franklin and James Madison.
But at the end of the day, Dylan Mulvaney, and it's their fault, has ruined Bud Light.
I don't think they can come back.
I don't because it's so ingrained now.
I'm not doing it.
I wouldn't drink it by myself.
david cone
The most important key ingredient is missing, and that's an apology, an acknowledgement of wrongdoing.
I mean, you want to talk about getting sales to skyrocket?
We could take an iPhone and record the CEO, write down a 30-second script for him, record that on an iPhone for no money, and sales would take off tomorrow.
But they don't want to do that because they don't want to lose whatever momentum they had in this, you know, woke globalist push.
blain crain
Apology means nothing to me now.
We're going to wait this long for an apology?
Oh, now there's - Well, now, yeah.
What they wanna do is so money at the problem to fix it.
$100 million to the UFC.
They gave up whatever to Peyton Manning, it's a flex seal effect, right?
You put Peyton Manning's face on it and just slap it right there.
And now all of a sudden it's fixed.
I haven't seen someone drink a Bud Light since this stuff started coming out.
david cone
That's true.
dave rubin
What do you guys make at Dana White's deal in that case, as long as we're talking about it?
I mean, he took a lot of money.
Is it $100 million?
I never heard that number, but he obviously got a ton of money.
david cone
That's what it was.
Look, I thought about it as Bud Light selling out more than Dana White.
Dana White's a businessman.
Let me put it this way.
I would take $100 million from Bud Light if they wanted to sponsor David Cohn, and I would get around it by saying, They believe in the audience that I've built up that I'm gonna be able to be a champion.
I do think that an apology or an acknowledgement of wrongdoing would go the furthest way.
But if Bud Lights is saying, hey, you know what, we messed up so badly that we have to partner with the most masculine sport in the world to be able to salvage our brand, then I just, I thought about it as them selling out more than Dana taking on a new sponsor.
jake crain
No, I get that.
dave rubin
Is watching a bunch of men just slap each other masculine?
Is that what's going on these days?
jake crain
Well, you know, it's, it's, it's, yes, I guess it's one of the few gladiator sports I guess we have left.
But I mean, Dave, to be honest with you, and this is where I disagree with Blaine, if you did come out and apologize and take accountability for screwing up, nobody else in power is doing that.
How refreshing was it to see Shane Gillis go on SNL, which was basically SNL saying, listen, yeah, we fired you over some woke BS and stuff you had said in the past, but let's bring you back.
We were wrong.
Let's try and do something funny.
I enjoyed that.
I can relate to that, but nobody takes accountability and power anymore.
And if one person did it, it would be so refreshing.
You know, you can use whatever pun, drink, thirst, you know, whatever you want to use, but I actually think it would work.
dave rubin
Switch to tequila, I think is the moral of the story.
david cone
Or bourbon.
dave rubin
Yes, I know, you're conservatives, you live in Nashville, you have to drink bourbon, but try some tequila.
It doesn't make you an illegal immigrant.
I wanna jump to something else related to the Super Bowl, because Andrew Klavan, one of my buddies, one of your buddies over at The Daily Wire, he had an interesting piece about some of the sort of craziness around something that was happening at the Super Bowl.
Let me read a small portion for you.
We were right when we said Trump's Russian collusion was a hoax, but they called that a conspiracy theory.
We were right when we said COVID came from a Chinese lab, but they called that a conspiracy theory.
We were right when we said Hunter's incriminating laptop was real and they called that a conspiracy theory.
Now they're trying to convince us that it's a conspiracy theory that Taylor Swift is a CIA agent trained to create a green screen psyop that looked like a successful Music tour so she could then pretend to fall in love with Pfizer plant Travis Kelsey while he disguised himself as a tight end for the Kansas City Chiefs whom the deep state has constructed to win a make-believe Super Bowl choreographed by the same George Soros team that faked the World Trade Center attacks and
Using the very crisis actors who pretended to land on the moon so that Taylor Swift could then endorse Joe Biden for reelection and the Democrat party could plausibly flood the polls with Android Swifty voters and steal yet another election from Donald Trump.
About to have a heart attack.
You can fool us once, my friend, but try to fool us a second time and we'll start babbling gibberish and sticking our heads so far up our own asses we'll be able to fart through our ears.
You can see how he's reading.
You can see how he's written 30 books.
But what he's referencing there is before the Super Bowl, for like two weeks, there was this long lead up with a lot of people on the right politically saying that it was all a psyop, that this Kelsey thing with Taylor and all of this stuff was to get votes for Biden.
What did you guys make of all that?
jake crain
Well, first off, Clayton's hilarious.
Here's my thing, Dave.
I think that there's a few kernels of truth, I believe, in the Plethora of what he just said.
Now, obviously, you know, Travis Kelce, you know, being a plan, stuff like that, just going to the NFL to do that.
I disagree with that.
But would you put it past him, Dave?
unidentified
At this point, can you put anything past him?
jake crain
Like, really, would you be shocked if you came out and found out that Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce coming together was a get out to vote push?
Right.
By, you know, the left side.
I would not be shocked about that at all.
I could see it.
I hope that's not true.
I try to see the best in every situation.
But when you look at it and it works, you look at the amount of money that the NFL made up this whole Romeo and Juliet situation that's going on with Travis and Taylor.
Financially, it worked out.
It just Something about it really never felt genuine to me, and you add Travis Kelce now getting paid, what, $20 million to do a Pfizer commercial, or $15 or $20 million, something like that, for a Pfizer commercial.
You mix that with Taylor Swift.
At some point, I think you're going to see Taylor Swift go out for Joe Biden and start campaigning, because everything's so bad right now.
But I'll go back to what I said about Charles Barkley.
If you vote Based on what somebody that's good at singing tells you to do, then I'm more worried about you than I am any PSYOP, because you can be... That is one of the dumbest possible things that you could do.
So, look, do I think there's some nefariousness behind it?
I would not... I'm not putting anything past these people anymore.
david cone
Blaine, go ahead.
I can feel you itching.
blain crain
Well, look, I'll go ahead and say this.
jake crain
Just say it, Blaine.
blain crain
If Travis Kelce is a plant and you made me to go... You made me go to Cincinnati, I'm pissed.
jake crain
Yeah, exactly.
blain crain
I'm so pissed, dude.
I'm trying to go somewhere with the SEC.
But I will say this, Taylor Swift, in my opinion, allegedly, I think she's a leader.
david cone
In my opinion, allegedly.
jake crain
In my opinion, allegedly.
blain crain
I think she's a leader of the Illuminati, to be honest, and this is why.
Well, first, she brought $315 million to the NFL and half of that almost to the Chiefs organization.
Two, I don't think she's going to come out for Biden because I think that hurts her brand more than anything.
I mean, she hasn't in, she hadn't gone for a candidate yet.
Hell, what she has so many, 300 million Instagram followers.
I mean, she's not, it's almost a Michael Jordan thing, right?
I mean, Republicans buy shoes too.
I don't know if she'll do that, but I do think this entire thing, I agree with Jake.
I don't think her and Travis are a real thing.
I think this was just a generation pool for the NFL.
They just wanted money and they got it.
jake crain
And it worked.
blain crain
And it worked.
That's the reason why the chiefs who were mediocre, The entire regular season, I know they dunce a little bit, all of a sudden get in the playoffs, Taylor Swift shows up, and they're just running, killing the Ravens, killing everybody they face.
There's a lot deeper than this goes, in my opinion, but Taylor Swift, I'm just glad, I'm so glad it's over.
david cone
Are you saying the 6th?
blain crain
No, it's the football games!
In football games, I don't have to see Taylor Swift more than I have to see Andy Reid.
david cone
It's not over.
jake crain
Not yet.
david cone
We'll see.
blain crain
Not yet.
david cone
Three-peat.
Look, the bar is so low for society now, okay?
Look, she's a singer.
She's writing songs in English where you can understand the words.
She's female.
She's dating a male.
Greatest tight end in NFL history.
The Super Bowl champs are in a Midwestern flyover state and everybody loves Andy Reid.
Let's just take it as a win and move along until it gets worse.
That's what I say.
dave rubin
Fair enough.
For the record, I will only vote for whoever Dolly Parton votes for, and that's how I make all of my political decisions.
I wanna hit one other thing related to Travis's brother, Jason, who just retired from the Philadelphia Eagles, and in his speech, I thought he hit something really nice.
unidentified
Also giving me three beautiful girls and a life that increasingly brings me more fulfillment off the field than it does on.
We've had a great run, Kai.
I am a product of my upbringing.
I think one of the best things a person can be in this world is a father.
A father who is present, loving, devoted, just may be the greatest gift a child could ask for in our society.
And I have a damn good one.
My father believed in me more than anyone.
dave rubin
It continues, but I just thought it was sort of a beautiful way to put a cap on a career, because he had a great career, and to credit his dad and then be proud of what he's become as a person, even outside of sports, I thought it was pretty beautiful.
We get caught up in all of the political stuff and the cultural fights.
What do you guys make of that?
david cone
A lot of people think he's the best center of his generation.
I'm starting to think he's the most likable player in the National Football League.
He will be greatly missed.
This one hit me hard, and I'm sure you guys too, because I probably wouldn't have played Division I football if it hadn't been for my father.
This guy loaded me in the back of a van and took me to 13 different camps over the course of one summer all over the country.
He's a reason that I got a college scholarship, and now I have three children of my own, a son and two daughters.
I hope I can be half the father that they were, that mine was to me.
jake crain
Yeah, and look, I think this is a serious problem that we have in society, that parents aren't around and, you know, it's one of the reasons that we're seeing a decay with our young people and the decisions that they're making is that you don't have that person there to push you.
And it's not just to just be proud of you unconditionally, right?
It's those tough times.
A father and a parent is meant, just like a coach, to be able to push you further than you can push yourself.
And I think he had that.
He said that for a reason.
And I will always say, centers in football.
If there was one person I had to have in a foxhole with me and also do my taxes, I'm walking straight into the football building, going to the offensive line room and getting the center.
They're the toughest.
They're typically the smartest.
And I think you saw the whole person.
Uh, that, that he was in, in this whole speech.
And it was so genuine and it was so real.
unidentified
And I thought Travis being in there was great too.
jake crain
I got a brother, you know, we weren't able to play against each other at a high level, but we both went through that same thing and helped push each other even further than we could take ourselves as I mentioned.
So I felt that that was genuine to me and, uh, he will be very, very greatly missed.
unidentified
Yeah.
blain crain
And good for, good for Jason to be able to go out on its own terms.
jake crain
Yeah, for sure.
blain crain
As long as as long as this guy's career was in the NFL, especially playing off the line and the center position as healthy and as many snaps as this guy's played is ridiculous.
And, you know, you really think about it and you go back to the podcast they started.
Jason Kelsey is such a likable guy because he's almost like us.
jake crain
Yeah.
blain crain
Right.
Travis, you know, is kind of Agreed.
you know, the Hollywood version of this family, in my opinion.
You go back and you watch those videos.
He's dancing at night with the glasses on, the shade.
You look up the DJ table and Jason Kelsey's got a Nache Libre.
jake crain
(laughing)
blain crain
Dancing with the DJ, just like us.
So good for Jason and I love his wife, love his family.
Great career.
And in my opinion, Dave, I think he's the best ever placed in the world.
dave rubin
Let me hit one other thing with you guys because this weekend right here in Miami,
there is a big UFC fight for the bantamweight title.
It is Sean O'Malley versus Chido Vera.
I was a little confused who is who before we did this.
I'm not a huge UFC guy, even though I know contractually as a podcaster, I have to say I love UFC.
That's kind of how it works.
What do you guys make?
You got any predictions for me on this thing?
Because I know sports guys love making predictions.
jake crain
Yeah, I'm a big Sugar Sean O'Malley guy.
You know, his one blemish was a loss to Cheeto and kind of a fluke thing.
I'm telling you right now, Cheeto, he's coming for you.
Those hands, they're coming for you.
He's healthy.
You know, what he's done here recently, Everybody keeps saying he's the second coming of Conor McGregor.
No, I think he's the first coming of Sean O'Malley.
I feel good about Sean.
I think he's going to end it early, to be honest with you.
Not that Vera isn't talented.
I actually love his backstory.
He's a big family guy as well, which I have a lot of respect for.
But Sean's coming for you, Cheeto.
But this whole card, David.
david cone
This is one of the best cards of the year, Dave, for sure.
I mean, not just Sean O'Malley, but you got Dustin Poirier's on there.
Gilbert Burns going down the list.
jake crain
John's on there.
david cone
Yeah, Peter, yeah, that may end up being the best fight on the card, to be honest with you.
And right now in the Dustin Poirier one, you can still get him at plus money, which is always a good bet, in my opinion.
blain crain
Well, the main card, I mean, you got to go with Sugar Shane.
I mean, sure, Sean O'Malley.
david cone
He's minus 250.
blain crain
I mean, and you got to think Vera's only been struggling with who he's been standing up with, struggling with stand up strikers.
jake crain
Yeah.
blain crain
Right.
And that's what that's what Sugar is.
So I think I agree with you this.
I don't think this makes it to the second round.
jake crain
I think it's a revenge tour, man.
dave rubin
Guys, I appreciate your time.
Before I let you go, is there some way we can mess around with Michael Moles?
Is there some kind of prank you guys can pull on him?
What can we do?
What can we do?
blain crain
What can we set up for that?
jake crain
Listen, you came to the perfect place.
Here's what you do.
You give us 36 hours.
All right, we're gonna get in a room with some bourbon and cigars, Nashville style, and we will come to you.
Our people will reach out to your people with a prank that you will love, and Michael will love.
david cone
Something with his Mayflower cigar.
jake crain
It's gotta be something in that realm.
david cone
That's what we'll do.
jake crain
In that realm.
dave rubin
Awesome.
Guys, I appreciate it.
We're gonna link to all your stuff down below.
For everybody else, no post-game show.
I'm out of town this weekend, and we'll see you on Monday.
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