Feb. 4, 2024 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| I am open to everything now. | ||
| I'm open to things that I never thought I would have been open to. | ||
| And I really think that the door fully came open. | ||
| I've realized that everything in the news is BS. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| There is nothing that I can consume on any legacy media that I can trust. | ||
| And that is shocking. | ||
| And that's disturbing. | ||
| And it makes you wonder how long it's been going on for. | ||
| Concerned it might have been a very long time. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Alright Drew, you get no intro. | ||
| How's that for an intro? | ||
| You are past the intro. | ||
| You've been doing this for a long time, man. | ||
| It's gotten to the point where what I'm like Cher or somebody with a single name, one syllable name. | ||
| Except it's Dr. Drew. | ||
| I call you Drew as a friend, but you are Dr. Drew. | ||
| And by the way, David, I am so excited to be here. | ||
| I don't even know where to start with you. | ||
| I'm not kidding. | ||
| You've been calling us, your clarion call to return to Florida, move to Florida has been ringing in my ears for quite some time. | ||
| Every time we come to South Florida, we are happier. | ||
| People are happy. | ||
| Everything's functioning. | ||
| Businesses work. | ||
| My wife's sitting over here. | ||
| I was telling her the other night, we walked around Coconut Grove. | ||
| I was like, I just feel so good seeing people thriving and socializing and happy. | ||
| And I just miss that. | ||
| There's not many places in the country where that exists anymore. | ||
| And yet you live in a place called Los Angeles. | ||
| Tell me about that place. | ||
| It's an interesting place. | ||
| We became friends there. | ||
| I said, I'm leaving. | ||
| And that's what I miss about Washington. | ||
| You said, I should leave. | ||
| And yet you have not left. | ||
| You're here. | ||
| Look at you. | ||
| You're glowing. | ||
| You're glowing. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Actually, I got a sunburn in your great Miami heat here. | ||
| That's what most of that is. | ||
| I was out in the sun yesterday. | ||
| But California sucks. | ||
| It's very depressing. | ||
| We have, you know, Susan, my wife's from Orange County. | ||
| And so we spend a bunch of time out there. | ||
| And that's a little bit of an enclave from what does suck in California. | ||
| And we are deep roots, you know, my practice is there, everything is there, kids are there. | ||
| It's hard to pull yourself out, though I fantasize about it all the time. | ||
| So I've been gone for about two and a half years now, and you were considering, at least for a brief period... We're still kids, we talk about it all the time. | ||
| No, no, no, not considering moving. | ||
| I accept that. | ||
| It's very clear to me. | ||
| You were considering running for governor. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| There were some discussions about that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Obviously, the recall didn't work out. | ||
| Now, it looks like Newsom may be on his way to replacing old Joe. | ||
| I mean, has anything gotten better there? | ||
| Is there any sense of hope there? | ||
| Is there anything? | ||
| It's easy for me to do all the negative stuff. | ||
| Everyone gets it. | ||
| There is. | ||
| You know, the main thing that has been my sort of What's making me so deeply disturbed, what started my problem in California was the way they dealt with the homeless. | ||
| Because these are people that I, these are my patients. | ||
| When people get severe enough mental illness, severe enough addiction that they end up on the street, that is the most seriously deteriorated, and they die. | ||
| They die on the streets of L.A. | ||
| County, and they die seven to eight per day. | ||
| And in my opinion, that is negligent homicide, period. | ||
| And it's been that for Eight years and it just hasn't changed. | ||
| It's so clear what to do. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| It's not a problem. | ||
| San Francisco did it. | ||
| They moved them out in one day and they could have gone, hey, come with me. | ||
| We've got a place for you and created a therapeutic living environment with, you know, steps, sent them through it to get vocational rehab, return them to a meaningful life. | ||
| You can treat these things. | ||
| Wait, just not to confuse people. | ||
| They got them out because the Chinese prime minister was coming, but they're all back. | ||
| They're all that. | ||
| I don't know where they put them or what they did with them, but they cleared them out. | ||
| So it is possible to go, hey, come with me. | ||
| That's all you gotta do is go, hey, come with me. | ||
| We have privileged brain disorders where insight is the main problem. | ||
| People with severe mental illness have something called anastomosis. | ||
| They block the insight to what's happening to them. | ||
| And they will die. | ||
| That is a terminal illness. | ||
| Worse than most cancers, particularly in the setting of addiction. | ||
| And they just, no big deal. | ||
| But there is hope. | ||
| They're looking at improving conservatorship. | ||
| They're starting to talk about it as a mental health thing and an addiction problem. | ||
| And they're trying to say that we've got to get these people treatment. | ||
| It would be, I know exactly how to structure the programs. | ||
| I know exactly how to staff it. | ||
| I know exactly where to put it. | ||
| I mean, pick the building and we could put thousands of people through these programs so easily. | ||
| But do you think they can actually do it? | ||
| I mean, I always used to find it kind of funny. | ||
| Maybe you wouldn't find this funny as a doctor, but I always found it kind of funny driving around LA. | ||
| There would be signs, billboards all over the place for LA mental health, blah, blah. | ||
| And I always thought, well, That would be the worst place to get your mental health fixed, in some L.A. | ||
| city hospital. | ||
| To me, that would be crazy. | ||
| I suspect you'd be up to something different, but do you think that the people there, the machinery there, has the will to do anything that would actually work? | ||
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No. | |
| It'd have to be redone. | ||
| I appreciate the honesty. | ||
| And there would have to be laws in place, or undoing of laws, that allow you to help these people. | ||
| But it wouldn't be that hard. | ||
| I mean, what you're pointing at is that generally L.A. | ||
| County health facilities have trouble functioning. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And historically they certainly do, and certainly on the mental health side. | ||
| But a lot of that problem is the laws. | ||
| You can't keep them, you can't put them in, you can't do anything with them unless they say, I'm here and I want help, and they continue to say that. | ||
| And otherwise you can't do anything. | ||
| And nobody with addiction says that. | ||
| Here's what people with addiction are concerned with. | ||
| You know what they're concerned with? | ||
| getting more drugs. | ||
| Doing drugs, that's what they're concerned with. | ||
| That's the nature of the illness. | ||
| In all the years that you've been doing this, do you see the actual, because of the potency of the drugs, | ||
| do you see it all getting much worse now, like in a different way, or is that level, | ||
| when people are at that level already, is it kind of the same, but now? | ||
| It's more easily addictive, so the more potent the drug, the higher the delivery system, if you're using your lungs, | ||
| if you're using intravenous, that increases the addictive quality, | ||
| and of course the potency as well, but really the main thing with the fentanyls | ||
| that you're talking about, synthetic opiates, which is the danger. | ||
| There's just such a narrow window to death, and so they're dying at an incredible rate. | ||
| I know someone that died about three weeks ago. | ||
| It's very common. | ||
| This is what drives me insane, because if you're shooting opiate or heroin or fentanyl and you're on the street, you are going to die. | ||
| That is the nature of the condition. | ||
| It's just a matter of when. | ||
| It's a progressive... This is the part that all the California legislation leaves out, is a progressive illness that ends in death. | ||
| And it's treatable. | ||
| That's the horrible thing. | ||
| It has a worse prognosis than the vast majority of cancers untreated, by far, and it's treatable. | ||
| How much of this do you now connect to your politics? | ||
| Because obviously... My politics? | ||
| Yeah, well, because I don't think of you as political first, but now, especially in light of COVID, I think you've become more political. | ||
| As I said, you were thinking about running for governor. | ||
| You're in a place that everything's kind of backwards. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But I sort of think of you as just an old school liberal who's now been hit bad with a frying pan, which is how many of us are. | ||
| I really think if we had talked to each other 12 years ago, we would have been exactly in the same place. | ||
| Old school, liberal, started moving towards libertarian, then I met some libertarians, and I thought, well, I'm not that. | ||
| You believe in driver's license, okay. | ||
| It's funny, Leo Terrell was the one that really pointed that out to me. | ||
| We were co-hosting a radio show together. | ||
| And I was like, I'm libertarian, leave me alone, leave me alone. | ||
| And he goes, what do you want to do with the homeless? | ||
| He goes, I want the government to fix that. | ||
| And he goes, oh, okay, Mr. Libertarian, you want the government to fix the homeless thing? | ||
| A classical liberal is just a guilty libertarian. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| I'm in that zone. | ||
| People keep calling me, I don't know where I am. | ||
| I personally want to be left alone, but I do want government to function and solve some of the problems we have. | ||
| So to get us to where we started, so now you come to the free state of Florida. | ||
| I know Personally, what that difference is. | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| What, what keeps, all right, you said that your family, you said that deep roots and family, but like, do you have, do you think that there is enough good people there to turn any of this around? | ||
| I don't mean just that they can maybe get one good drug hospital or this or that. | ||
| So that was, oh gosh, that was what I was thinking when I started thinking about it. | ||
| First I thought, Well, damn, Schiff is my congressman. | ||
| He doesn't do anything for us, and he was running again at the time, and I thought, I should run for that position, because somebody's got to do something. | ||
| I kept saying, we have to do something, because these people are not doing anything for us. | ||
| Somebody's got to do something. | ||
| So I kind of thought about that, and then no. | ||
| And then somebody came around, oh, you should run for governor. | ||
| So they actually put me on the phone with Schwarzenegger, who encouraged me. | ||
| I thought he would talk me out of it. | ||
| He encouraged me. | ||
| He said, it's the craziest thing you could ever do. | ||
| I'm not going to quote what he said, but he said, you got to be prepared for the politicians up there, which is the hard part. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then I have prostate cancer. | ||
| I needed some radiation therapy that summer. | ||
| So I said, all right, that's enough. | ||
| God's telling me something. | ||
| I'll just get the radiation. | ||
| Not only was God telling me something, my wife Susan said, no. | ||
| Don't do this. | ||
| I don't want to do this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so we've sort of stepped out of it since then. | ||
| I should continue to say no, but I still have the feeling that somebody's got to do something. | ||
| And so what we've been doing, my something lately is this streaming show we've been doing. | ||
| I think we really became more sort of popular and entrenched since I was last here. | ||
| We do it Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday at three o'clock Pacific. | ||
| It's called Ask Dr. Drew. | ||
| We've been interviewing So many of the physicians and researchers that were canceled during COVID. | ||
| And my original sort of notion with that was, well, these are decorated professionals. | ||
| I mean, why did they cancel these guys? | ||
| So I already had a curiosity, like, what's going on here? | ||
| And I thought, well, at the very minimum, maybe I'll learn something, which I did for every single one, and sometimes a lot. | ||
| Do you miss anything now that you're doing the online thing about the mainstream thing? | ||
| Because you've had many things. | ||
| The mainstream thing? | ||
| How many shows have you had on mainstream media over the years? | ||
| Probably a dozen or something. | ||
| I think the first television show I ever did was Your A Challenge. | ||
| I think that was literally the first TV appearance. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| And I always thought it was funny because you had a great studio, but sometimes they would keep us all in different boxes in different rooms, right? | ||
| So you'd be in there. | ||
| I'd be like, wait, I want to be in the room with this guy. | ||
| And they'd have five other guests and we'd all be in rooms next to each other. | ||
| But it seemed like we were all in different countries. | ||
| So we sort of invented the boxes looking out to camera. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like five people in boxes. | ||
| CNN that took- But people didn't understand, we were literally in the same hallway. | ||
| So what happened was they were like, be creative, redo your show. | ||
| And Bert Dubrow was my EP. | ||
| And we both went, well, audience. | ||
| If we had an audience, that would make a difference. | ||
| So if you remember, they built an audience Yeah, I think I did it once actually in studio with you. | ||
| With an audience and we bring a couple of co-hosts in and we do an audience thing with questions. | ||
| It was really good. | ||
| They didn't want to pay for the audience. | ||
| And so we started coming back into the studio, just a dark room and that looked weird. | ||
| And so then we just went back to the boxes. | ||
| So do you miss anything about that? | ||
| Or now you own your thing, you're doing locals, you're free? | ||
| We're doing the same thing. | ||
| We're on Rumble. | ||
| Rumble, we're doing extremely well. | ||
| Thank you for that. | ||
| Happy to help. | ||
| This whole world of parallel economies, right? | ||
| Come to Florida and then I'll have given you my entire collection of stuff. | ||
| Your entire life. | ||
| But I want to give you South Park. | ||
| I want to talk about that before we're done. | ||
| Oh, my guys will be very happy. | ||
| I'm enjoying that more than anything. | ||
| I can't believe you've not been a South Park watcher all these years. | ||
| But let's make sure we don't leave that out. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Television is a medium of hits. | ||
| And when you do get involved with a hit, there's almost nothing more powerful than that. | ||
| It does reach a lot of people. | ||
| And in terms of doing something that makes a difference, I still miss that Trying to get a large audience and move them and change them and, you know, affect them in certain ways. | ||
| But you are doing that with the show, but I get it. | ||
| You mean in like some weird cultural way where we all have to talk about the view as opposed to them talking about us. | ||
| Yeah, we're, you know, we're, yes. | ||
| And maybe this, I have a suspicion that Rumble and, you know, all these other platforms might get there. | ||
| You're ending up doing essentially a broadcast because you're on so many different platforms talking to so many different people. | ||
| What I do like about this that's different from that Because you have such highly motivated audiences. | ||
| They appreciate it. | ||
| They're tired of people disdaining them or selling them things when they feel like whoever the company is that's selling them something actually hates them. | ||
| That's how they feel. | ||
| That's terrible. | ||
| That's awful. | ||
| How much, we've talked about this a little bit before, but how much did your political evolution shift because of the COVID craziness? | ||
| Because when I had you on last time in studio, still in LA, so it's about over two and a half years ago, you were still sort of saying some nice things about Fauci. | ||
| And I know you guys have a history. | ||
| I sense you've shifted a bit on that, or at least you're amenable to some other ideas. | ||
| I am. | ||
| I'm open to everything now. | ||
| I'm open to things that I never thought I would have been open to. | ||
| And I really think that the door fully came open. | ||
| I've realized that everything in the news is BS. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| There is nothing that I can consume on any legacy media that I can trust. | ||
| And that is shocking. | ||
| And that's disturbing. | ||
| And it makes you wonder how long it's been going on for. | ||
| Concerned it might have been a very long time. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Was there a straw that broke the camel's back on that? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yes. | ||
| I was going to tell you that my interview with RFK, my first interview with RFK Jr. | ||
| He was so reasonable and so smart and so many interesting ideas and enlightened me to this cozy relationship between the regulators and the pharma companies, which I really wasn't aware of. | ||
| I mean, I can't let a pharma company representative into my office to give me a pen With a drug name on it, and yet those guys are living together and cross-pollinating jobs. | ||
| I mean, that's mind-boggling to me. | ||
| And that he had a very sensible, didn't necessarily fully agree with it, but a sensible idea about vaccine research that he would like to push forward. | ||
| Not that vaccines are bad, his family's all vaccinated, my family's all vaccinated. | ||
| And at the end of that interview, He said something to me, I've met him now many times since then, he goes, oh my goodness, Drew, you are so courageous to talk to me and I thought, it blew me back in my chair, I thought, | ||
| I need courage to have a conversation with an adult in a public setting. | ||
| And he was right. | ||
| This is a time where I didn't realize how much speech was being suppressed, how much was being manipulated. | ||
| Then what happened after that was the Twitter files and started seeing what was going on. | ||
| To me, this is all reprehensible. | ||
| And what has happened as a result, I don't think I've shifted my political views. | ||
| I've just really, I never imagined I'd be in this point in my life at this age and place in my career. | ||
| Freedom and freedom fighting and the courage to stand up for it have been the most important thing in my life right now. | ||
| And that's crazy! | ||
| That is crazy! | ||
| I live in the United States of America and I have to worry about freedoms? | ||
| I have to fight for freedom? | ||
| That is an insanity! | ||
| And I'm hoping it's something that will pass soon. | ||
| Yeah, well, you know, there's a far less chance they're going to put you in a gulag in the free state of Florida rather than the communist... Come to Florida, come to Florida. | ||
| ...people of California. | ||
| All right, I've sold Florida enough. | ||
| What do you think psychologically, this is one of the things I talk about on the show a lot, that basically psychologically now, if you were somebody that watches corporate press... Yeah. | ||
| Pretty much think that is true. | ||
| And then you're someone that maybe watches this or Rogan or you or just that mix of people, RFK in there too, of course, that your worlds are so different now that psychologically as a nation, how do we put that together? | ||
| Like you could literally be basically living in a completely different world than your neighbor. | ||
| That is what we are doing. | ||
| That's what's happening right now. | ||
| And it's actually makes me sad Because it prevents any kind of discourse and conversation. | ||
| I can feel their stomach muscles tightening up when I just try to have a conversation, and that's so disturbing to me. | ||
| I think what's going to happen, I think enough Uh, sort of slowly uncovering of how much distortions have gone on and how arbitrary and capricious and dangerous and horrible consequences these decisions have had. | ||
| It's going to come to light. | ||
| I don't know if it's going to be that there really are excess deaths. | ||
| I'm worried that there are. | ||
| If there are, that's going to keep happening and we're going to see something. | ||
| I don't know if it's COVID. | ||
| I don't know if it's COVID plus vaccine, but these conversations will evolve with time. | ||
| And eventually I think people will start to go, oh, I'm starting to see a bigger picture. | ||
| I think a turning point was when Fauci admitted the six foot distance was invented out of whole cloth. | ||
| It was invented from thin air. | ||
| Completely, yeah. | ||
| And I knew that two years ago. | ||
| by talking to all these canceled doctors. And I talked to a guy named Paul Alexander two years ago | ||
| who was in the room when Redfield made the decision. He goes, Dr. Ray, why six feet? | ||
| This is an aerosolized virus. It'd be 30 to 60 feet, certainly 10 feet. And they actually agreed | ||
| on maybe 10 feet. They took 10 feet to the White House, and some political operative said, well, | ||
| no one will ever agree to that. I'll just say six feet. And so it was never a medical decision. | ||
| It was no scientific basis to it whatsoever. It's had no utility. And yet, I mean, think about this, | ||
| The whole world adopted it. | ||
| The entire world. | ||
| That, to me, is the really astonishing part about that experience of COVID. | ||
| That lockdown was adopted by the world, six feet was adopted by the world, masks were adopted by the world, with none of it being considered for risk reward analysis, like what might | ||
| happen as a result of this. | ||
| And it was obvious to me there was going to be horrible mental health consequences. | ||
| It was obvious. | ||
| Yeah, I want to get to that. | ||
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Obvious. | |
| Or is there any medical data to support this? | ||
| You were crushed if you tried to have that conversation. | ||
| That's going to start to come to light for people. | ||
| Do you think there will ever be any reckoning whatsoever? | ||
| I mean, basically everyone who got us into this either still has their job or have retired with cushy retirement and or made hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in stocks on these things. | ||
| I mean, is there any reckoning anywhere? | ||
| I hope at minimum, particularly young people, become furious. | ||
| They should be outraged and angry at what was done to them. | ||
| If that happens, I will think, personally, I think that's enough. | ||
| Now, I know there's a lot of people that want retribution, all kinds of legal action, civil or criminal. | ||
| I really worry about that. | ||
| I'm telling you, the present moment, I've become obsessed with Revolutionary France. | ||
| Obsessed. | ||
| And I wanted to put a chapter in my book On narcissism, on pre-revolutionary France, because that was the only period of history that I could find with as much narcissism and childhood trauma. | ||
| And one of my conclusions that I wanted to put in that chapter, which my editor told me was too speculative, was that there would be scapegoating. | ||
| There would be guillotines. | ||
| Guillotine is just massive scapegoating. | ||
| And never heard of cancellation, but here it came. | ||
| So scapegoating became this social media phenomenon that I predicted. | ||
| Why did I bring this up? | ||
| So the problem is that if you pull people up on the guillotine The guillotines just keep going, and eventually everybody goes. | ||
| It's a mathematical certainty of scapegoating. | ||
| Eventually, everybody. | ||
| First it was the Jacobin, then it was the Saint-Culottes, and then it was the Royalists. | ||
| Everybody goes on the guillotine. | ||
| If somebody doesn't say, stop. | ||
| So if that's not possible or not realistic, or you're sort of afraid of what the enemy... And by the way, the other part is that you'll never get to the truth. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because people will be so defensive and scared, they're not going to come forward with what actually happened. | ||
| So I want the truth out. | ||
| That's the most important thing. | ||
| So would the bigger problem then be that the pharmaceutical companies seemingly have done none of that internal research or investigation or anything, right? | ||
| Like, as far as I can tell, they're still into all of this and WEF is talking about disease X and the rest of it. | ||
| Like, did it all just kind of come around again? | ||
| Well, that's the great risk, right? | ||
| I don't think people will put up for it. | ||
| I think that there's enough outrage. | ||
| I think they will. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| I think they will. | ||
| I think they would just say, no, this is the real one. | ||
| We did screw up on COVID and a lot of it was wrong, but this one, it's 10 times worse. | ||
| And they're going to show you a video from China, some guy wigging out on the floor. | ||
| And I think people would do it again. | ||
| I'm actually more concerned that they do need to social distance in some meaningful way and we don't because we don't believe them. | ||
| I think that's possible too. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's a higher probability and probably better. | ||
| You know, before COVID hit, right when it was hitting, I did an interview with a guy named Larry, brilliant. | ||
| He's the world's leading expert on smallpox. | ||
| And he said, you don't need to do anything when epidemics hit. | ||
| People naturally isolate. | ||
| They watch out for themselves and they isolate socially. | ||
| That's just a natural phenomenon and it is inevitable. | ||
| So the idea of having all this centralization and authority on high is the problem right now. | ||
| It is making things worse. | ||
| What do you make of the psychological component now for young people? | ||
| Cause we're seeing rates of anxiety that are through the roof. | ||
| Predictable. | ||
| Now drug use, all the, I mean, I think you can actually connect this to the gender confusion too. | ||
| Like just everything is kind of up in the air at this point for these people. | ||
| I just, I kept saying during the lockdowns that you were destroying eight to 15 year olds. | ||
| You're destroying them. | ||
| This is the age in which the peer relationship is so important and you're not allowing them | ||
| that. | ||
| You're handing them iPads and where they're getting sexting and watching porn anywhere. | ||
| They're not getting any education and you're telling them they can't contact their peers | ||
| and if they do, they're going to kill their family. | ||
| And in the meantime, shelter in place. | ||
| Remember Garcetti kept saying every night, shelter in place, shelter in place? | ||
| That is a phrase reserved for an incoming nuclear weapon. | ||
| That's what that is, or an active shooter. | ||
| I'm proud to say you were at illegal parties at my house, Dr. Drew. | ||
| I don't think it's going to cost you your license at this point. | ||
| You're right, those were illegal. | ||
| It was the French underground back in those days, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We were like this group trying to put information out, trying to continue to share ideas. | ||
| And if you're nine years old and you're telling them that shelter in place and you're going to kill your family and no peer contact, of course there's going to be depression, anxiety and developmental delays and cognitive issues. | ||
| It's just inevitable. | ||
| And on top of that, the economy to the young people that I've spoken to looks bleak. | ||
| Not only does the economy look bleak, the usual sorts of Motivations for engagement. | ||
| They can't get inspired by it. | ||
| There are a lot of like, who cares? | ||
| Why do I? | ||
| Everything sucks. | ||
| We suck. | ||
| America sucks. | ||
| You boomers suck. | ||
| Why do I want to dedicate my time and life to some pursuit? | ||
| What am I going to do with it? | ||
| It's really sad. | ||
| It makes me crazy. | ||
| That's why I said when I was walking around Coconut Grove and seeing a lot of young people out there socializing, I'm like, please, yes, more of this. | ||
| So what do you do? | ||
| I mean, from a therapist's perspective, what would you do if you're talking to now a group of 12-year-olds who, okay, they were nine when this was happening, they're anxiety-ridden, they're confused about a bunch of stuff, like, what do you actually do? | ||
| Like anything, you try to manage the conditions, whatever comes along. | ||
| You try to get them to engage in reality on reality's terms. | ||
| And then make a difference. | ||
| Most people get through crises of any type, or even mental illness of any type for that matter, with service of some type. | ||
| There's always some sort of engagement as part of it. | ||
| And you've got to get them there. | ||
| I would not be good with that population because I would say, aren't you angry? | ||
| Aren't you pissed? | ||
| Aren't you furious? | ||
| You don't do that in therapy. | ||
| You don't give them your stuff. | ||
| But I hope they get to a place where they're Furious, livid, and want to make a difference and get things back on track where people can be inspired. | ||
| There's also a spiritual malady that's been going on in this country for quite some time, and that has become acute. | ||
| I don't know exactly what that looks like to solve it, but we've got to do something on that front. | ||
| Where do you think the prescription drug, I would say pandemic, falls into that? | ||
| Maybe that's not your word. | ||
| The over-prescribing? | ||
| Yeah, I saw something I think a week ago, we showed it on the show, that about 10% of American adults are on something for ADHD, you know, either Adderall or one of these things. | ||
| And to me it seems like Even if a huge percentage of those people, it's necessary in some respect in helping them. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| A society that 10% of its people are drugged one way or another, there's something much bigger going on here. | ||
| I think that's true. | ||
| There is something bigger going on. | ||
| And in terms of the medication, I think we are, this is what always happens in mental health, we are at once over-prescribing And under-prescribing. | ||
| I mean, again, look at the streets. | ||
| People who need medication aren't getting it, and if they don't want to take it, you're supposed to just go, okay. | ||
| They die because they don't, and then there are people that come in with a little... | ||
| Ordinary misery. | ||
| When Sigmund Freud first, I don't know if this is an apocryphal story or not, but Sigmund Freud apparently when he hit the shores in New York, reporters came up and said, Dr. Freud, what do you hope to achieve here in America? | ||
| And he said, well, I hope to understand the difference between real mental illness and ordinary misery. | ||
| And we have lost track of ordinary misery. | ||
| It's a good title for a book, Ordinary Misery. | ||
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| No, it's fine. | ||
| You can have it. | ||
| You can have it. | ||
| But we need ordinary misery. | ||
| It's good for us. | ||
| It's how we create resiliency and how we solve problems. | ||
| And we are intolerant of ordinary misery, and at the same time, we've lost track of what it even means to be happy. | ||
| And happiness has become this, I think we've talked about this before, eudaimonic happiness. | ||
| hedonic happiness, which is just, woohoo, which is great, I love that kind of happiness, | ||
| but it doesn't last, and it's always an appetite of drive to more, more, more. | ||
| Eudaimonic happiness, which is an active engagement in a meaningful, nourishing life, | ||
| people don't even understand what that is anymore. | ||
| So it's basically sort of the difference between a sense of purpose, which would be the latter, | ||
| and just like, I'm having a great time today because I'm going to the amusement park. | ||
| A good life and a party. | ||
| And when I first started thinking about this different, I thought, oh yeah, my heroin addicts are super happy, first hit of the day. | ||
| Is that, are they happy? | ||
| Is that happiness? | ||
| But they're happy in that moment, but it's not happiness. | ||
| Happiness, and you know, I sort of, lately I've been, people have been resonating with this when I say, look, Jesus Christ lived a purposeful, good life. | ||
| Wasn't always happy. | ||
| If he had focused on hedonic tone, on that kind of happiness, things would have turned out quite differently. | ||
| And often a good life is a life of sacrifice, a life of engagement, a life of work, of doing hard work. | ||
| So how do you, all right, we talked about how you can get people off some of the drugs, let's say. | ||
| How do you get people off all of the wrong ideas now when you also have a generation that is confused about Sexuality, they're confused about the founding of the nation, just that freedom is bad and up is down and two plus two is five, all those things. | ||
| That's a different type of addiction. | ||
| Different problem. | ||
| I think reality has a way of asserting itself. | ||
| I think reality, I'm watching, you know, sort of my children's peer age kind of wake up in the real world and kind of go, oh, well, maybe that isn't so, maybe that wasn't so true, or maybe I was a little deep in it. | ||
| Ideology, whatever ideology takes hold, humans suffer. | ||
| They just do. | ||
| I mean, just look at history. | ||
| So we need to really hammer, I mean, there's so much engagement in social media. | ||
| You can talk about freedom. | ||
| You can bring ideas out that they haven't heard before. | ||
| You can constantly push historical sort of tidbits out so people come to understand what What this country is founded on and what the other histories of other countries have been that we can learn from, that they seem totally disconnected from. | ||
| And so it's, I just think persistence. | ||
| I think keeping it going and allowing reality to assert itself. | ||
| And then I'm hoping a real anger will emerge in young people where they go, hey, I was taught some bullshit and I believed it and now it didn't serve me well and I'm angry about it. | ||
| It's funny, the therapist who wants people to be angry. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm an internist. | ||
| You've got to remember, I'm an internist by training. | ||
| So I go back to my medical roots, even though I worked in a psychiatric hospital for 35 years. | ||
| But yes, I want people to be furious. | ||
| Is the, I guess, counter to that, that the doom scrolling and the endless amount of information. | ||
| It's nice to have the good information out there, but that thing also, and the filters on pictures and nobody thinks they look right and all of the rest of it. | ||
| Well, the screens are a problem. | ||
| No doubt the screens are part of the distress that's going on right now, particularly for young people. | ||
| So what do you do about that? | ||
| You know, the cat is out of the... I'm trying to get you to solve problems. | ||
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| The horse is out of the barn for a lot of generations. | ||
| Particularly sort of millennial age, you're not going to take them away from screens, and Gen Z probably not either, but there needs to be a consensus of limiting screen time for the younger kids. | ||
| You've got to do it. | ||
| It's hard, and the only way it'll happen is if all parents in every given community do it together, because otherwise it'll be just sharing screens during the day and stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, okay, so you have a bunch of... So we're your kids. | ||
| It's going to be hard. | ||
| I've got something for you. | ||
| I'll coach you up. | ||
| Yeah, do you? | ||
| She's a psychologist that just specializes in this area. | ||
| I can see it now, and everybody says, oh, well, my kids are never going to be on the screens. | ||
| And it's like, yes, you might want a nice quiet dinner at a restaurant one night, and you hand them the iPad, and then it's five years later. | ||
| And then they're just, whatever they do, they're making cookies on that thing. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| We have multiples. | ||
| When you're in survival mode, we have multiples. | ||
| We absolutely would have thrown Throw our kids on screen just to survive. | ||
| Do you know about Miss Rachel? | ||
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| Do you know Miss Rachel? | ||
| Miss Rachel is like this huge YouTuber and supposedly she's like the one, you know, she's an early educator. | ||
| Captain Keguru. | ||
| Yeah, but it's like, it's not flashy and it's not fast and it's not destroyed. | ||
| So she's the one. | ||
| So basically the only thing I watch now is Miss Rachel. | ||
| But we don't even give, even that, we try to limit it to just a few minutes just before dinner so we can sit down for a second. | ||
| But I can see the challenge and it's almost, to me it strikes me as just an unwinnable, there's just no win because we all wish we were better with these things. | ||
| Even me, a guy that takes a month off in August and I try not to tweet on weekends and all that stuff. | ||
| Nobody's perfect. | ||
| There's no perfect parent. | ||
| We're screwed. | ||
| And your kids will hate you for a little while. | ||
| You know how it goes. | ||
| But it's okay. | ||
| They'll be good. | ||
| They'll be good. | ||
| But yeah, I was just thinking about South Park again. | ||
| And one of the things we did that maybe was inadvisable, I watched South Park with my sons particularly, probably from about sixth grade on. | ||
| And I I always felt okay about it, even though there was some inappropriate stuff in there, because we discuss it all and we talk about it. | ||
| And those guys, what is your take? | ||
| I've been dying all day to talk to you about this. | ||
| So what you're referencing for people that haven't seen is we've put out a couple of these videos where I'm watching South Park for the first time, which was, it was my guy's idea. | ||
| So the reason, so you must've missed that. | ||
| The reason that we did it the first time was because I was a Simpsons guy. | ||
| So 1989, The Simpsons came out. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I still love the Cosby show. | ||
| That was obviously before Bill had, well, I guess he was having his adventures, but there was this big debate because they were both on at the same time, which one was going to take over. | ||
| And I loved Cosby and I loved the Simpsons. | ||
| And then I went the Simpsons route and then that was 89. | ||
| And then around 95, 96, South Park came up, but Simpsons was, you know, season seven, season eight, primo, best years of the Simpsons. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I was just like, I'm only going to watch one cartoon. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That was my policy. | ||
| And then Family Guy came in. | ||
| And then, so yeah, like later in the last 10 years, I've watched Family Guy. | ||
| But I just basically was just like, no, I'm a Simpsons guy. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| And that's it. | ||
| That's how I am with like Star Wars Lord of the Rings. | ||
| I like robots. | ||
| You know, the little dwarfs with hairy feet. | ||
| No, I get it. | ||
| That's for other people. | ||
| This guy, he loves them. | ||
| You only do so much. | ||
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| So that's why I never watch it. | ||
| But of course, everyone's always saying to me, Dave, you gotta watch it. | ||
| Did you see this? | ||
| Did you see it? | ||
| So now we've started watching them. | ||
| And I have to tell you, these people are ill mentally. | ||
| They're ill, but they have... No, no, it's so twisted and deep and dark and weird and insane and brilliant. | ||
| They have crystal brains. | ||
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| They can see the future. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| They're always about three years ahead of the game in extreme ways where you think, oh my God, this is over the top. | ||
| I remember, did you see, you're still early in the game. | ||
| Well, I'm all over the place. | ||
| They just pick random ones. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Gentlemen, get them the one where PC Principal is at the fraternity house going down the hall with the Because when that happened, I thought, oh, I thought, oh my God, you know, then I thought, oh, and now it happened. | ||
| Now it's actually happening. | ||
| Now people are doing that. | ||
| Well, even I did watch one or they showed me one when they were doing this member berry thing that like everything is just like a I think it's a combination of factors. | ||
| before, and that also sort of seems, I think sort of psychologically why we're kind of screwed | ||
| at the moment, that we can't, as a society, we don't create anything new anymore. | ||
| We reboot Star Wars, we re-skin a Marvel movie. | ||
| That our dreams are now just becoming like vestiges of an earlier, more creative time. | ||
| That's not healthy for a society. | ||
| Well, I don't, I think it's a combination of factors. | ||
| I mean, I think when things go negative, there's a natural nostalgia. | ||
| Why there would be nostalgia for the worst decade American history in the 70s. I cannot imagine. | ||
| But there seems... But give me a little 80s, come on, 80s pretty good. | ||
| 80s was lovely, and it was fun. | ||
| And that's the thing that's missing now, is fun, right? | ||
| And the 80s were fun, and so I'm seeing little hints that maybe something like that is sort of emerging. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Well, I was just, as you were saying that, like, it seems to me also partly what's missing is that we've so atomized sex now, because porn is now everywhere, and it's a private thing for people, and it's like we can joke about it, but nobody talks about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, like, there's nothing sexy anymore. | ||
| There's no, there aren't sexy movies. | ||
| There aren't sexy TV shows. | ||
| There used to be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Magazines, if you went to the supermarket and you'd see, like, a sexy person on a magazine, you, it was just something that was there. | ||
| We've, it's just like sex is gone. | ||
| Men are women now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're, fat is hot. | ||
| Like, something about that also seems like it's really screwing with people. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Young people are not having sex, at least the majority of them are not. | ||
| I mean, it used to be fun. | ||
| We used to try to engage with people. | ||
| You'd try to have sex with people, but now that goes as problems with consent, objectification, fetishization, bizarre. | ||
| It just gets a label. | ||
| Or the app. | ||
| You just know every freaking thing about that person first. | ||
| You know all their likes and dislikes, all the food they like. | ||
| There's just no mystery. | ||
| Yeah, and the other thing is that these are constructed identities, too, online. | ||
| And the skill of going up to somebody, there's a whole empty set of the skill of dating and meeting and getting to know people. | ||
| And that's how the self emerges, is into an interpersonal context. | ||
| And we need to practice lots of that to decide who we are in a relationship, what we like in other people, how we fit with other people. | ||
| It takes a lot of time and energy to figure that out. | ||
| What do you make of the porn part of this specifically related to psychological stuff? | ||
| Because I was, you remember the, uh, what was his name? | ||
| Jeffrey Toobin on CNN. | ||
| So he gets caught whacking off on a zoom call. | ||
| And to me, what was funny about that, not was that he was doing it as much as like in between being on CNN, that's what he's doing. | ||
| Like, like, but that a lot of people are doing that. | ||
| Like that's like just there now. | ||
| Consuming and compulsive. | ||
| And it's, it is, um, It's been a grave concern of mine from the addiction standpoint because that's where we're seeing lots of that. | ||
| We don't have any idea the full impact on young people. | ||
| I will tell you what I saw, I've seen over the last 15-20 years is young males Feeling frightened. | ||
| They don't want to be seen as objectifying women or being toxic masculine. | ||
| So they pull back. | ||
| They certainly wouldn't talk to somebody who has a beer in their hand because that's, you know, they can't consent then, you know, you were again seen as a predator. | ||
| Still happens a lot where men are told that that's the case. | ||
| They pull back. | ||
| They head off into the porn. | ||
| And they sort of hide there, like, okay, I'm okay. | ||
| I got my porn. | ||
| And they miss the developmental milestones of dating and, you know, learning to do those things. | ||
| And for the first time, I had a show that just ended this year. | ||
| It's kind of a sort of a Loveline-esque show called Dr. Drew After Dark over at your mom's house, Tom Seger and his wife, Christina P. | ||
| And on that show, for the first time in my career of talking to young people, young males were starting to talk about visiting prostitutes. | ||
| This was becoming part of the option to deal with the loneliness and the disconnect, and that's not good. | ||
| That's going to be a real mess. | ||
| That's probably just the next extension of the OnlyFans thing. | ||
| Then they're just like, oh, well, you could also pay them for this. | ||
| Literally. | ||
| I mean, same person, maybe. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| I mean, if somebody liked it, who knows what? | ||
| Yes, it all goes there. | ||
| And then now I'm hearing from women going, where are the men? | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| And so young women are dating much older men, and these poor guys in the middle here are just, oh my God. | ||
| That's actually exactly what I wanted to ask you next, because I'm seeing a ton of that. | ||
| I know a lot of girls, like let's say 25 to 40 year old girls, that are single, cool, good looking, good jobs, seemingly together, and they cannot find guys, period. | ||
| And that's a really weird thing. | ||
| I didn't even think of the, well now they find older men thing. | ||
| They do that? | ||
| But that's not good for family building. | ||
| And there's no sense of that or what even a family does. | ||
| I mean, why that is important in terms of the foundational sort of units of culture and a society and the most appropriate healthy environment to raise children, two people committed to each other. | ||
| Susan was saying that she thinks also women also are sort of unrealistic about what men are, how they work, and because they're not doing the kind of dating where you learn what men are in these heterosexual couples, they're unclear about what it would even be like to be with a young male. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| We're kind of animals when we're younger. | ||
| We're animals period, right? | ||
| I'm not a doctor. | ||
| We are primates, but I mean, you know, it doesn't matter orientation or gender, gender identity, whatever. | ||
| X, Y males tend to be intense when they're young. | ||
| When did you first see the kind of crazy explosion of the gender confusion? | ||
| Like obviously in practice and in everything you saw Gay people and lesbians and everything else. | ||
| But then it became this other thing that we're seeing now. | ||
| I started seeing a fair number of male-to-female transgender in the psychiatric hospital. | ||
| That's where I encountered them a lot. | ||
| And it was an interesting group. | ||
| I was perfectly accepting. | ||
| I didn't sit in judgment or mistreat my patients in any way. | ||
| And then I remember when my kids went to college, so it had been around 2011, is when boom, it just all of a sudden was everywhere, this theory, theory. | ||
| And I, you know, Jordan Peterson talks about this, that this whole Reliance on theory is ideology, right? | ||
| And he sees it as coming out of this post-structuralism and the fact that post-structuralists took hold in academia in this country, and therefore the truth has no meaning, right? | ||
| That's sort of one of the post-structuralist principles. | ||
| It's just, you know, whose truth? | ||
| And, you know, it's so funny, I've heard a couple French philosophers talk about post-structuralism and their thing is like, I cannot believe the U.S. | ||
| philosophers or the U.S. | ||
| academics are so interested in these guys from 75 years ago, 100 years ago, that we cast out in the 1960s or 70s. | ||
| They're just useless and they were wrong. | ||
| That's the other thing, guys like Michel Foucault. | ||
| Just demonstrably incorrect in what he was saying, and the rest of them just poisonous in terms of saying that he's not sensing his truth. | ||
| I was talking to Bill Maher the other day, and he went to Cornell, and I said, you know, we were taught to ascend to an approximation of the truth, to struggle to try to get to the truth. | ||
| And I said, I see it in you. | ||
| I know that's your training. | ||
| And he sort of reflected back that, yeah, we kind of have that heritage together, and it doesn't really exist that much anymore. | ||
| It's hard to find it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's funny, my audience, because I talk about Bill a lot, obviously, and my audience is always like, Dave, but he always ends up voting the wrong way and supporting all the wrong people. | ||
| But I'm like, but the quest is there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I can't, you know, if someone gets to the wrong conclusion, I can play with that. | ||
| I can work with that. | ||
| I can be friends with that. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I can't be friends with the lunacy that wants to destroy everything. | ||
| That's a fundamental difference. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, do you know Bill? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, quite well. | ||
| I mean, you guys, I was thinking you'd get along great. | ||
| Have you been on? | ||
| You obviously didn't watch Real Time about two months ago. | ||
| Dave Rubin, they said it was the best episode in 20 years. | ||
| And you guys got on together. | ||
| Yeah, we were good. | ||
| I think you ought to do Club Random. | ||
| You two together would be very interesting. | ||
| So I did Club Random about a year and a half ago, maybe two years now. | ||
| I didn't see it. | ||
| And I told him that I was going to New York the next day to ring the bell for Rumble. | ||
| So I was like, I can't really, I don't want to drink. | ||
| I definitely can't smoke weed because I have to get on a flight. | ||
| I'd never done that on camera. | ||
| And I was just like, I don't want to do any of that. | ||
| Then the night goes, there's some tequila. | ||
| He's, you know, he's like, The guys who smoke weed like the glaucoma patients would be jealous. | ||
| And then I left there. | ||
| I was like out of my mind that I had to get on a red-eye, and now I'm admitting that to you. | ||
| It feels wrong to me. | ||
| It's all right. | ||
| I drink around Bill too, so it's all good. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| Wait, what was the point of all of that? | ||
| Post-structuralism, a lack of theory, all this reliance on theory, ideology takes hold, and it reached some critical mass around 2010, I think, and that's when it just kind of So do you connect all that to the craziness of our politics, too, that then people have just sort of injected politics as if politics is going to give them meaning? | ||
| Everything else has been kind of blown apart and ripped apart. | ||
| Again, you're asking me to speculate. | ||
| It's all high degree of speculation. | ||
| These are just thoughts I have. | ||
| But I think part of that is, yes, this sort of drift from reality into theory. | ||
| And that there is such a spiritual vacuum, both spiritual from a sense of some higher power or purpose, and interpersonal emptiness. | ||
| We're not connected the way we should. | ||
| And the new religion has been COVID or politics or something, or anti-Trump or something. | ||
| This is what's connecting people, is these extreme experiences politically and socially. | ||
| Do you think there's a weird, this is sort of what I was thinking with DeSantis all along, not to get so into the granular part of politics, but sort of sticking with what we're doing, that I kept thinking, at the beginning especially, that people were so angry over COVID, so finally understood what freedom was, finally understood all of this stuff, saw the migration patterns and everything, all of the stuff that people finally were going to be like, all right, I want a serious leader who's decent and competent and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And that's exactly what he gave them, but what I subsequently realized, maybe at a national level, is that people really just want the show. | ||
| They want the bread and the circus in a way. | ||
| I hate to think of it as show. | ||
| as someone that I don't have Trump derangement syndrome and I voted for him last time | ||
| and I'm most likely voting for him this time. | ||
| But that in a weird way, he's giving them something that clearly has nothing to do with politics. | ||
| It's just he's giving them something that they just kind of want inside | ||
| rather than waking up every day and being like, wait, there's no show? | ||
| I'm gonna have to just go about my life, something. | ||
| I hate to think of it as show. | ||
| I think of it more as some sort of high school popularity content. | ||
| Yeah, all right, fair enough. | ||
| Yeah, that kind of thing. | ||
| And like Nikki Haley, I like her, but you know, it's like, no one's discussing what she represents, what she wants to do, what has she done. | ||
| She's an ambassador to the UN, right? | ||
| Funded Trump! | ||
| And you never hear that discussion. | ||
| It's all just, she's being funded by whomever. | ||
| So yeah, that is gravely, gravely concerning that we are so primitive in how we approach. | ||
| And then what the path is to those positions seems very nefarious. | ||
| It just doesn't feel like how it was supposed to be. | ||
| Doesn't it? | ||
| What would it look like if we started repairing some of this stuff? | ||
| I mean it from where we started with, like, mental health and we started repairing some of our institutions and the media. | ||
| Like, do you think, like, we actually could do it? | ||
| I'm starting to just come around to, like, oh, it really can't be done, but we'll just have pockets of places, either online or in reality, perhaps, again, this state, that, like, yeah, it'll work. | ||
| And then for large swaths of formerly free, sane people, they're just gonna live in, like, the desolation of craziness. | ||
| Yeah, I hope you're wrong. | ||
| But Adam Carolla, who I was here in Florida presenting podcasting awards to him, he didn't show up. | ||
| Who didn't show up, Dave? | ||
| Somehow that seems very unfair. | ||
| You guys have worked together for decades. | ||
| You're giving him an award that he doesn't... He sent a video. | ||
| Didn't play, didn't work, but he sent a video. | ||
| But anyway, he gave us an excuse to come see you. | ||
| So that's really what we sort of leaned into. | ||
| We were like, oh, we're going to South Florida where everyone's happy and we get to see Dave. | ||
| He keeps saying that it's going to be safe spaces and octagons. | ||
| That he sort of conceives of it that way. | ||
| It's going to be more masculine, more male, more aggressive, more extreme activities of various types, and more safety, and more lockdowns, and more safety uber alice. | ||
| This idea of safety uber alice is the most, one of the more toxic ideas right now. | ||
| The fact that That we destroyed the world, we shut the world down to have safety as the only priority. | ||
| The one and only priority, not a consideration. | ||
| No, everything else has to go over here. | ||
| And safety uber alis, that's it. | ||
| That, again, back to Jesus. | ||
| If Jesus was concerned with safety uber alis, Would have turned out quite different, quite different. | ||
| It is not a way to lead a good life. | ||
| I'm not saying you should be heedless, but I'm saying you put safety as the one and only priority in your life, that is back to safe space as an octagon. | ||
| I'll slightly butcher it, but those who give up liberty for safety deserve neither. | ||
| I mean, that's kind of the point. | ||
| Yeah, I had not heard that quote. | ||
| Who was that? | ||
| I think that was Thomas Jefferson. | ||
| Yeah, it sounds like Jefferson. | ||
| And we have got to get back to some of these common roots. | ||
| And these people were very wise. | ||
| They were very, the way they put this together, I think one of our great protections is the 50 states, as much as they frustrate me. | ||
| And I think that is maybe the one thing that will get us through this. | ||
| I believe we will come to some sort of a I just remember how quickly the 80s hit. | ||
| Do you remember? | ||
| Do you remember that? | ||
| I mean, I was born in 76, so I don't remember how they hit. | ||
| I remember Empire Strikes Back came out. | ||
| Well, what happened, let me just tell you this, because somebody asked me the other day, do I have any kind of, you know, aha moment? | ||
| Michael Malice asked me this, because what was a red pill moment? | ||
| He loves the red pill moment. | ||
| And I said, well, I remember this one thing. | ||
| Seventies sucked. | ||
| They were horrible, especially if you were an adolescent. | ||
| It really, they blew. | ||
| And I remember- What about discos? | ||
| I was in college at seven. | ||
| There were people that had fun, but they blew for the most part. | ||
| And, you know, just look at the architecture and the clothing. | ||
| That's all you got. | ||
| They tore down Penn Station because it was old. | ||
| You know, come on. | ||
| That's the kind of stuff was going on in the seventies like crazy. | ||
| And I remember, I would get the Boston Globe every day. | ||
| I was in Massachusetts going to school, and I remember going out there one morning and seeing this helicopter debris strewn all over the desert. | ||
| It was a botched attempt at saving the Iranian hostages. | ||
| And everyone just went, oh my god, we suck. | ||
| This country's done. | ||
| We're over. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Get used to it, everybody. | ||
| It's just done. | ||
| The economy sucks. | ||
| There are no jobs. | ||
| Do the best you can, but this country is going to, something else is going to happen here. | ||
| And so I go to medical school, and I'm about three months into medical school, and I remember I went to a house party, which I had never seen anything like that, first of all. | ||
| I mean, never really anything was happening like that. | ||
| And there were a lot of people there, and I just remember, all of a sudden, Devo Whippet came on the loudspeaker. | ||
| And 100 of the people stood up and started dancing and celebrating, and I thought, huh, this is totally different than two months ago. | ||
| This is joy. | ||
| People are happy again. | ||
| Something has changed. | ||
| I just remember that moment. | ||
| Now, I don't know that you can put it into some... The economy still sucked then. | ||
| We had 18% rates, and things were not good, and I don't even think Reagan was in office yet, was he? | ||
| I remember he was just in office. | ||
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He was 80. | |
| Yeah, and so, okay. | ||
| And I guess he had just been shot. | ||
| It just had happened. | ||
| And so that was kind of a weird, interesting time. | ||
| But joy and happiness and enthusiasm and engagement just came out of nowhere. | ||
| So that's the hopeful part for you? | ||
| That is for me the hope. | ||
| That experience gives a little hope. | ||
| I'll tell ya, I said it on the show the last couple days, I think something about this border thing is so obviously wrong, and now more and more people are seeing it so that it's finally bubbling up to the mainstream, that it might, to me, seem like the one that could actually break people out of the malaise. | ||
| Not just the malaise, but the whole thing. | ||
| Yeah, the silos. | ||
| Because gender was too confusing for people, and it's too weird, it's sexual, you don't wanna talk about it, it's just like, it can't be discussed over the dinner table. | ||
| There's something about watching an invasion of thousands of people Yes. | ||
| That people are like, okay. | ||
| Well, there's watching the invasion and then people in the town that are being invaded going, we want to protect ourselves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the federal government says you can't? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But this is very dicey stuff. | ||
| I don't really understand. | ||
| I was going to look it up before I came in here with you. | ||
| Maybe you've read it, but I don't understand the little article in the Constitution they're relying on to do this, because it seems to me it's kind of a secession argument of sorts, which doesn't really exist. | ||
| I heard we played a video on my show this morning about Kevin Stitt, who's the governor from Oklahoma, going into the constitutional legality of it. | ||
| I mean, without getting too far in the weeds on it. | ||
| In essence, the states created the federal government. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And the federal government did not create the states. | ||
| And when the federal government is in what seems to me, at least, and this is where they're going to battle it out in further terms. | ||
| Lack of alignment. | ||
| Well, when you're in complete dereliction of your duty, the states are allowed to protect themselves. | ||
| And that's sort of what the argument is, which I'm in line with that argument, obviously. | ||
| Oh, completely. | ||
| But I mean, people just forget what the Constitution, the primary purpose, form a more perfect union amongst the states. | ||
| The states are the primary units. | ||
| And if the states are being destroyed by the federal government, the states... I mean, but this is what the secession argument was. | ||
| It's just that there is no There's no thing called secession, seceding, because this is a contract of equals, and so both sides have to dissolve it, or nobody dissolves it. | ||
| Well, the inherent problem ultimately would be that the red states, I think, would leave and be quite happy about it, and the blue states will never let them leave. | ||
| That would be the kind of fundamental difference. | ||
| But how about this? | ||
| Because I know you have to get on a plane and go back to California. | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| There's about, I'd say, 10 new construction homes within 20 blocks that's here. | ||
| All within what I would suspect are the Dr. Drewie budget. | ||
| I think you should take a little drive around. | ||
| We did drive around. | ||
| I looked at stuff getting here. | ||
| We had, like, weird Florida envy. | ||
| Well, then I've done my job. | ||
| And how many times have I said that to you, right? | ||
| I mean, you must get tired of me saying it to you. | ||
| No, it's very rewarding, actually. | ||
| Should I get off the pot and come in here or don't? | ||
| No, it's very rewarding. | ||
| People say it to me everywhere. | ||
| I brought more people into Florida. | ||
| Voting the right way, of course, than anyone. | ||
| So it'll be on my epitaph one day. | ||
| I think we got to stop worrying about voting the right way. | ||
| I think Bill said this. | ||
| Bill O'Reilly said it. | ||
| It's sanity never says insanity. | ||
| We just got to get everybody sane and lined up. | ||
| And do take a good look at Revolutionary France, everybody, because things can go really bad really fast. | ||
| Same thing with understand your Civil War history, understand the American The experiment, what we were intending with it, the great thoughts. | ||
| You have a responsibility to do that. | ||
| You really do. | ||
| On that note, let's go into my house and you can let me know if I'm raising these kids right. | ||
| I can't wait. | ||
| Susan will, at least. | ||
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