Dave Rubin, Miriam Weaver, and Amy Jo Clark dismantle Whoopi Goldberg's "grifter" theory on Black Republicans, contrasting it with Frederick Douglass's legacy and Thomas Sowell's data on pre-1925 family integrity. They debunk Swift-Biden conspiracy rumors as media-driven nonsense and critique the $83.3 million E. Jean Carroll verdict against Donald Trump, arguing legal battles fueled his resurgence while speculating Democrats might pivot to Kamala Harris due to Biden's health. Ultimately, the episode exposes mainstream narratives as gaslighting that ignores historical context and judicial activism's role in dismantling segregation. [Automatically generated summary]
You know, you've been on a couple times before, but I want to discuss this nickname situation with you guys, because you don't always go by your real names.
So can we explain these nicknames?
Amy Jo, maybe you want to throw it out there first for me?
Well, we started having nicknames when we started our website, gosh, back in 2009, because we knew that we would probably get harassed being conservative women because You know, people tend to not like conservative women.
And so we also worked in corporate America at the time.
You can call me either one, and actually my name is short for Mock Arena, which came from a website that I had way back in the day, which was dedicated to mocking pop culture, celebrities, politics, all of it.
It was called The Mock Doc, and I'd asked my husband before we started the site, what should my name be if that's the name of the website?
Well, one of the reasons I love you guys, and this will be a good segue to the top of the show and the first story, is that, as you just laid out, you happen to be conservatives, but one of the things that people seem to think about conservatives is they're mean, they're angry, all of this stuff that is just simply not true, and you guys are joyful warriors in all this.
So let's start with a less than joyful warrior who's on the other side of the political aisle.
Because as you guys know, it is Black History Month.
We will be celebrating all month here at the Rubin Report in ways that I can't get into on camera.
I don't know what I meant.
My whole team just freaked out.
I don't know what that meant exactly.
Everyone calm down.
But let's jump over to The View because it is Black History Month.
They had author Clay Cane on and Whoopi was asking him about black Republicans and these Clarence Thomas types.
You described the current era of black Republicans as grifters, and I say that's the right word for that.
But you need to explain to people what you mean when you say it, and what made you decide to write this book.
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Well, first and foremost, I wrote this book because I care about this country, and I've been so saddened at the direction that it's going in under the Republican Party.
It's really broke my heart.
And when you think about the original black Republicans, they were the first progressives.
They were the ones that pushed Abraham Lincoln into emancipation.
They were the ones that forced him into glory.
After the Civil War, they are forming communities that will help black folks and poor white folks.
So I wanted to examine, how did black Republicans go from Frederick Douglass to Clarence Thomas?
How did we get here?
How did we get here?
And so what I realize is now, the current version, they are grifters.
And what I mean by that is somebody who is hustling and scheming that will say anything and do anything to get access to power, even if it means demeaning your own community.
And in many ways, they provide racial cover for the issues in the Republican Party.
So this book is also about the downward spiral of racial politics in the GOP.
It really is incredible with these people, because they really only need a mirror to figure out what they're talking about.
Before I let you guys jump in, I just want to say that when he mentions the black Republicans of, you know, 200 years ago or 150 years ago, and calls them progressives, yes, because they were progressing towards equality, which has nothing to do with the movement towards equity is all about now.
But Daisy, why don't I start with you here?
I mean, first off, just the endless obsession with race on these shows, and that so many seemingly, the reason I play these view clips all the time is because it's on at the exact same time as this show.
It's on right now, live, every day at 11 a.m., and that so many seemingly middle-aged suburban women are constantly being bludgeoned with all of the wrong ideas on this show.
You do get all those big endorsements by being a black or gay or whatever Republican.
That really is how to endear yourself with mainstream culture.
Mock, whoopie.
What is going on with this woman?
Everyone, you know, Daisy, you just mentioned Gen X. It's like, we're all kind of roughly the same age.
It's like, we had put this stuff all to bed and everyone loved people like Whoopi.
You know, if you would have said Whoopi from 1998 to Whoopi now, but this seems to be what happens with so many of these, I hate to call them liberals because they're not even liberals, but you get it.
Yeah, it's such a stunning lack of self-awareness on their part.
I mean, the way that they don't hear the projection that they're doing with these ideas, you know.
It's stunning to me to hear them say such racist things as if you don't agree on something in terms of a political ideology, then you're automatically, you're pretending for a grift.
You can't possibly think differently on your own as an individual without it being tied to a money scheme.
Like they are defining themselves for us openly and yet they don't see that we see that.
Also, Clarence Thomas, it's like there's a lot of things you can do when you're a high-powered legal mind that will make you more money than being a Supreme Court judge, or if you were to look, I hate the idea of just like listing out black conservatives, but Larry Elder, and how about this clip from Thomas Sowell debunking everything they just said?
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This whole notion that the black family has always been disintegrating, that that is nonsense, that these studies go up to 1925, the great bulk of black families were intact, two parent families up through 1925, and going all the way back through the era of slavery.
So it is now only within our own time that we suddenly see this inevitable tragedy which the welfare system says is going to rush in to solve.
Black people have never supported, for example, affirmative action, POTUS, anything of that sort.
Wherever polls have been taking a black opinion on such matters of should people be paid equally, or should there be this or that, black people have never taken a position that you describe.
So it is not a question of what black people chose to do.
It's what you choose to put in the mouths of black people, and it's what you choose to project.
It is not what any black people have ever said anywhere that you can put your finger on.
It's like you choose to put into the mouth of the pollsters as far as I can see.
I put them down to the pollsters.
If you look at the leadership of the black community.
Like most people, I have never seen a pollster.
If you look at the leadership of the black community.
You think judicial activism, doctor, has hurt blacks.
Judicial activism of eliminating restrictive covenants in deeds, eliminating segregation in schools, one man, one vote, literacy test.
Do you consider those judicially active?
Well, as regards restrictive covenants, I can see no evidence that they did anything other than make some people feel good because it was symbolic.
Are you saying that the variable in success or lack of success is the culture of the particular group?
Mock, I don't even know that we need to be on the show because we could just do an hour of Thomas Sowell and that would be just fine.
That's how I always feel when we play clips of him.
But here's a guy who began as a Marxist, as he's talked about for a long time.
He's up in his 90s now, still at it, but purely just laying out that it's the Democrats, really, whose policies have not only destroyed the black family, but then kept so many black people in that cycle of poverty and everything else.
But I suspect they're not that interested in that on The View.
And when you hear him talk about the fact that it is these sort of white guilt ridden people who are putting this on, they're projecting it onto the black community.
I genuinely don't know if that's that was true when Thomas Sowell was talking about that.
But now you see so much of the black community buying in to all of this victimization.
They're screaming for reparations.
You see much more of that.
And so I would love to believe that what Thomas Sowell just said there still applies, but I worry that it applies less and less.
Well, the Republican Party in general, I think, is completely falling apart right now, as evidenced by like Ronald McDaniel and people who we have in charge of the Republican Party.
You know, I think that the Republican Party, for me at least, has always been about the individual, personal responsibility, fiscal responsibility, things like that.
And so when I see stuff like when we're talking about, you know, Whoopi and all this nonsense that she's talking about grifting and whatnot, You know, there are black people out there who think for themselves and they are conservative and they are, you know, Republicans.
There are white women.
There are women in general who are conservative, who are Republicans.
And I think that that goes against the narrative.
And so it's, I think we just need to know that we can buck the narrative and you can be whatever you want to be in this country.
You can do whatever you want to do and to hell with the narrative.
Yeah, I want to stick with that Gen X thing you said for a moment before because I've been mentioning this a lot on the show.
We had settled this.
I am 47 years old.
It was not cool to be racist.
It was not cool to be homophobic or just any of these things growing up.
We've ushered it all back in.
Do you guys see a way that we can really push it back?
I mean, I guess just keep exposing it like we're doing here, but do you really see a way that we're going to get rid of this or is this just kind of the new American thing, Mach?
And so, you know, we, we noticed those in some young people that we see today.
So there are a lot of examples that kind of lead us to believe that maybe the progressive left has gone so crazy that now we're going to see a correction.
But I see these kids and I think that they are a little bit more like the Gen Xers in the way that they're looking at things and they're like, some of this stuff is so whack.
We've got to have the pendulum swing back to At least a little bit of normalcy and just common sense, because these people are freaking crazy, you know?
I mean, they've gone off the deep end, and they're rejecting some of the craziness.
Speaking of whack and crazy people who've gone off the deep end, we have a clip from CNN for you.
Dana Bash had an interesting theory, which she calls a right-wing conspiracy theory, although I think it's kind of a left-wing conspiracy theory, that Taylor Swift is going to swing the election.
Enjoy.
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Have you heard the latest conspiracy theory making the rounds?
Taylor Swift, Travis Kelce in the NFL, and the Democratic Party are in cahoots to get Joe Biden re-elected.
But stay with me.
Prominent right-wing figures are speculating that her relationship with Travis Kelce is made up, and that the Super Bowl will be rigged for Kelce and the Kansas City Chiefs, and the endgame is Swift endorsing Biden after the big game.
Here are some of the messages, I'm trying not to laugh, circulating on social media.
Vivek Ramaswamy, I wonder who's going to win the Super Bowl next month.
Podcast host Mike Crispy, the NFL is totally rigged for the Kansas City Chief, Taylor Swift.
Mr. Pfizer, Travis Kelsey, Lara Loomer, a self-described Islamophobe who has been embraced and promoted by Trump, they are going to use Taylor Swift as the poster child for their pro-abortion GOTV campaign.
Daisy Can't Be Stopped!00:11:30
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Right-wing media personality Benny Johnson said Taylor Swift is an op.
Mark, the reason I wanted to show this clip, it's not like it's the most important thing in the world, but I thought it illustrated something interesting about the tension between mainstream media and online media and everyone else calling everybody, sort of like the clip before, a grifter or a conspiracy theorist.
I know most of those guys from the tweets that they mentioned, like, I don't agree that this is some grand conspiracy, but then the way CNN covers it as if this is the thing we better be watching out for, it's all...
My great hope for Taylor Swift is that Travis Kelce proposes to her, she gets married to Travis Kelce, they have lots of babies, and a bunch of young feminist women decide that actually marriage is not the worst idea and they get married and have a bunch of babies and we can have the Taylor Swift baby boom.
Wouldn't that, what Ben said there at the end, wouldn't that be the beautiful thing here, and it's almost why you really can't stop the truth, that it doesn't matter what she thinks politically right now or anything else, but if they actually got married and were in a good relationship and started having kids, wouldn't that be the ultimate force field around the rest of the cultural nonsense?
And then think too, if she said something, say she had kids and decided to take a break from her career and talk about the amazing choice of motherhood and how it's changed her, the world would be set on fire.
Or I guess she could go the Britney Spears route and wasn't she like juggling knives in a hotel room in Vegas?
That didn't work out that well.
But Michael Knowles, also on The Daily Wire, Ben's colleague, wrote this on Twitter and I thought this is just the right idea here regardless of whether you care that much about Taylor Swift or not.
Taylor Swift is temperamentally conservative and the right should cautiously stand her.
That's kind of the idea there that she might as okay fine she's 34 acting like a 17 year old but if the shift happens with her the right may want to be careful because she wields a lot of power Daisy this woman cannot be stopped!
I mean, I guess she, I don't know, people talk about her wielding a lot of power and, you know, when it comes to voting and stuff like that.
But there again, I go back to my 13 year old.
I can guarantee you that some of these young girls that listen to her music and love her and they're total Swifties.
A lot of the 20-somethings that can actually vote, I would hope and I believe that they're not gonna... I know some people in my life who are older young people who are of voting age that will not vote for who Taylor Swift is voting for, you know?
I don't think you want to get on the wrong side, you know?
It seems like she can have things done to people.
Speaking of another woman that you don't wanna get on her wrong side, the big story this week, obviously, in Trump land was that E. Jean Carroll won her defamation lawsuit against Trump.
So she won, she was awarded by the jury $83.3 million.
This is not a guilty verdict in that he raped her.
It is about defamation, meaning he said mean things to her.
Now, to me, this is a little odd because accusing somebody of rape seems like a pretty bad thing, so maybe he should be suing her.
In any event, we've got a tweet up explaining what I just said there.
Jury orders Trump to pay $83.3 million in damages for defaming E. Jean Carroll, and here is E. Jean Carroll after the verdict.
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You said you want to do great things with this $83 million settlement.
I think there are two people who know what either did or didn't happen, and it's E.G.
and Carol and Donald Trump.
I don't know that anyone knows anything beyond that.
Again, he was not convicted of rape.
But there has been something about her media tour this week, where she's on Rachel Maddow hysterically laughing, saying she's gonna buy her an apartment and then they can go shopping in Europe and all of the rest, that feels extremely inauthentic.
I do want to be careful with my words because I don't want her to sue me.
There's no getting around like all the videos of her that I mean going back to that interview that she did with Anderson Cooper where she was talking about how rape is so sexy.
I mean the woman is unhinged and so this judgment is Extreme, obviously, but I do think Trump, you know, always seems to be his own worst enemy.
And so when he gets judged, there's a judgment for $5 million because he defamed her.
The wrong thing to do is to keep saying the things that you just got the $5 million judgment for.
And yet that's exactly what he did.
So they were like sharks in the water and they were smelling all the blood and they were like, well, let's just sue him again.
And then when he walked out during closing arguments, the jury there saw that as being disrespectful, and they were like, tack on some more money.
So there's a lot of things that I hope, I think this is a ridiculous judgment, but at the same time, I hope that Trump steps back and starts thinking more carefully about continuing to do the very things that always get him into trouble.
And the star-studded parties and the You're right, it's disingenuous, it's gross, all the people that are supporting her and they're calling her an icon.
What does that say to women who have been brutally raped?
Well, and also just her affect on all of these shows.
If you were, in fact, brutally raped by him at the Nordstrom's dressing room or whatever it was, even 40 years later, I don't think you'd be giggling and laughing about it and everything else.
I think you'd be saying, boy, you know, it was a horrible thing that happened.
The jury did the right thing.
I'm gonna donate this money to X, Y, and Z, but the TOR.
But do you guys think that they realize, between the judgments and the trials and taking him off the ballots and everything else, that that is exactly the fuel that has allowed for his resurrection here?
Do you think they know it, or do you think they want it, because they think he's maybe easier to beat than some of the other people that have since dropped out?
I personally think they're going to slip Gavin, the weasel, sleazy, greasy weasel Gavin in there at the last minute, like in May, they're just going to slip him in there.
And it's going to be because of, you know, like his health, Biden's health problems, which clearly he like he has no idea where the hell he is.
And the Democrats are so good at just being awful.
And so they'll find a way to do it.
But clearly, I mean, you look at the two people they have.
They're terrible, terrible people.
And they're not doing a great job.
But they're never going to admit that, because right now, well, you just don't know who brung it to you.
And so that's the messaging right now.
But I feel like in the next couple of months, they're going to try to figure out a way to finagle another candidate, because there's just no way Joe Biden can do four more years.