April 14, 2023 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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Alright, good people of the internet, sorry for the delay there. | |
| I know we're a few minutes late, but one of these fine gentlemen had to pee. | ||
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Which one? | |
| You'll find out momentarily. | ||
| It's Clay Travis and Buck Sexton of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. | ||
| Guys, we're live streaming. | ||
| I've got tequila here. | ||
| We were gonna try to, I know you wanted the Bud Light. | ||
| You wanted the Bud Light. | ||
| I feel it suits me, my personality perfectly. | ||
| Did you see the statement that the Bud Light CEO put out literally like 10 minutes ago? | ||
| I'm gonna pour it while you tell me the statement. | ||
| It is the most bland. | ||
| I read it to Buck as we were rushing over here. | ||
| It is the most, we acknowledge that we have screwed up on an epic level, but we're just gonna try to put every buzzword we can think of into a statement on Friday afternoon to try to put this thing to bed. | ||
| And I don't think it's gonna work. | ||
| Because I'm curious on your... Buck and I have been talking about this, but there are... By the way, thank you. | ||
| Cheers! | ||
| Cheers, guys. | ||
| Good to see you. | ||
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We are doing... Congratulations, you made it to Friday afternoon, everybody. | |
| There you go. | ||
| It's 5 o'clock, film winner. | ||
| Oh, that's good. | ||
| Let me just say, that is Gran Coromino. | ||
| That looks nice. | ||
| I've never had this before. | ||
| We were drinking Casa Dragones last night, which I'm just going to throw out there is our preferred tequila. | ||
| Do you know that tequila? | ||
| I love Casa Dragones. | ||
| Our boss is the founder. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| Bob Pittman, the owner of I Heart. | ||
| That is his tequila. | ||
| Wait, were you drinking the whole thing? | ||
| Oh yeah, that's what we had last night. | ||
| I almost want to be like the guy in Jerry Maguire who's like, I'm sorry little man, I can't sign those cards. | ||
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I'll tell you this. | |
| Ask Phoenix, they had the Hoven at the place I planned. | ||
| I will tell you. | ||
| It's like $3.50 a bottle. | ||
| I'm not running the money. | ||
| Well, when you own the company, I think, but the waiter came and he was like, you know, trying to explain the different flavors. | ||
| It was funny. | ||
| And I said, yeah, you know, he owns the company. | ||
| So, just whatever he says, we should order. | ||
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And, of course, the waiter was kind of like, ha-ha, and then we were like, no, he legitimately owns the company. | |
| So, that is a baller move to own your own tequila company. | ||
| I thought I was a tequila drinker. | ||
| I'd never had Joven before, which is a blend between some, and Yeho, and another. | ||
| It's almost like the way they blend wines. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| So, that was a new, exciting thing for us last night. | ||
| You worked for the Casa Dragones. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty badass. | ||
| But, so, the Bud Light thing, we've been talking about it certainly all week. | ||
| To me, what has kind of opened a lot of people's eyes is there are a ton of men who identify as women that are famous. | ||
| Right? | ||
| In the trans community. | ||
| There is virtually no one who is a woman who identifies as a man. | ||
| And so what I think a lot of people have started to ask the question of is, why is that? | ||
| And how did it become so commonplace and acceptable for, for instance, a man who identifies as a woman to be in charge of selling Nike sports bras, which really is insulting to women in many respects. | ||
| And yet, if Clay and I were hired to sell lingerie, for example, you know, people would say like, oh, maybe work out more, get a tan or something, and it's like, excuse me, how about some body positivity for the radio hosts out here? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| Do you guys find, because you're doing a daily thing like me, and every morning I'm going through the stories, and it's just more of this trans BS, and I don't care, I truly, as an adult, live however you want to live, wear whatever you want to wear. | ||
| See, we talk about this, because some of the audience will come at us with this, and what we always say is, you don't understand. | ||
| They, the left, cares about this so much. | ||
| We're not focusing on this. | ||
| You know what they say about AOC, for example? | ||
| They say, like, why does everyone on the right give her so much attention? | ||
| I think she's one member of Congress. | ||
| She has a big social media footprint. | ||
| We like to talk about AOC in general. | ||
| She makes it easy for us. | ||
| Or we were sad. | ||
| The View hasn't said anything really dumb in like a week. | ||
| We didn't cover the news. | ||
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And we're like, excuse me, we have needs here. | |
| We need The View to say something historically, you know, illiterate or absurd. | ||
| But, you know, the left, they're passing these laws. | ||
| We talked about one today. | ||
| They're passing laws at the state level that are going to shield, shield is what they're calling it, but effectively prevent kids from having their parents notified if they run away from home, say they are transgender and want to have transgender affirmation. | ||
| In Washington now, they're about to sign it. | ||
| So if your 16-year-old, your 14-year-old runs away from home, obviously having mental health issues and problems to begin with, and says that he or she is trans, the state doesn't notify the parents. | ||
| Psychotic. | ||
| So I can say without equivocation, that's absolutely psychotic. | ||
| Florida is now passing this thing that if you are a doctor that does this to underage kids, You're going to lose your medical license. | ||
| I'm completely fine with that. | ||
| A hundred percent. | ||
| I get that thing. | ||
| I get that thing. | ||
| Like, I mean it on a personal note. | ||
| If you're over 18 and you want to wear whatever you want to wear, and I suppose over 18, look, you want to do whatever you want to do with your body, like, go ahead. | ||
| But that's kind of been the way it is for a long time, right? | ||
| The new stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's about kids. | ||
| The new stuff is the kids, the sports competition. | ||
| They have pushed this into this new realm, right? | ||
| And it's really no longer about politeness. | ||
| It started with sort of the pronoun stuff and that became fashionable, but this has really been rolled out as a campaign. | ||
| Well, do you think that because of the way now, especially with this... Riley, what's your name? | ||
| Riley Gaines. | ||
| Riley Gaines is doing phenomenal work. | ||
| Incredible stuff, but do you think now it's like so freaking obvious how evil they've become? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| What I would hear for a long time, because I saw this coming, right? | ||
| Do you remember, and we've talked about this on the show this week, but do you remember when John McEnroe got crushed for saying that Serena Williams would be like the 700th best men's tennis player? | ||
| Which she said herself on Letterman like a decade ago. | ||
| And probably would be like the 70,000th best. | ||
| Like there's a big difference between elite tennis players, male versus female. | ||
| She actually went as far to say it was a different sport altogether. | ||
| She said male tennis and female tennis are different sports. | ||
| So they started arguing, that was the beginning of this, that there's not really very much difference between men and women when it comes to athletic performance, which is laughably absurd. | ||
| And then they started saying, well it's not going to be a very big deal. | ||
| Why do you care if a man identifies as a woman? | ||
| And I think the Leah Thomas situation And we were actually talking about this in the car. | ||
| When Leah Thomas, Will Thomas, decides to become Leah Thomas, and wins an NCAA championship, and Riley Gaines swam against the Leah Thomas, and you see them standing side by side, and you've got like a 5'8 woman, which is a tall woman, next to a 6'3 man, biologically, with monster hands, monster feet, like these are not similar sized athletes. | ||
| Who still has a penis. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And was able to use the women's locker room, and the women were just supposed to treat that as if it were normal. | ||
| That's where it moves. | ||
| Sorry to interrupt, but you want to know my director, Conor, his theory on the penis. | ||
| Why he kept the penis? | ||
| He's using it as a propeller. | ||
| I don't know if that's it. | ||
| Well, I could actually argue that the aerodynamics of this go against him in that one area. | ||
| I'm not a scientist. | ||
| I'm just saying. | ||
| I know about drag, a different kind of drag, but like the drag in water. | ||
| I did a joke, and I deleted it, but I was like, when Leah Thomas won the 500 meter, I was like, celebrates by twirling penis like a windmill. | ||
| Like, imagine, imagine, you know, like just get the little helicopter going. | ||
| We do a show together, I love it. | ||
| He still says things on a regular basis. | ||
| I'm like, oh my god, can we say that? | ||
| And Clay does not care. | ||
| You realize how stupid Twitter has become that you had to delete that tweet but now you can just announce the tweet right here. | ||
| I'm disappointed in myself because sometimes you know like you're driving in a car and you're like you know celebrates by twirling his penis like a like a helicopter and I was like ah you know I'll delete this just because I don't want to create a huge stir if I'm about to go to dinner. | ||
| I'm like, it's Friday, I'm going to go to dinner. | ||
| Maybe they'll clip this and it'll be a huge stir. | ||
| But if you have a penis and you're in the women's locker room, for almost all of recorded human history, you would be arrested. | ||
| And now it's supposed to be celebrated. | ||
| And so I think to the point here, we've moved from, let's be tolerant, to we're now going to exclude women from actually being able to be involved in women's athletics. | ||
| Before dinner or tweet vacation. | ||
| Oh yeah, this happened to Buck. | ||
| So I was visiting my now wife, then fiance, actually no it wasn't my fiance yet, but I was visiting her in Asheville, North Carolina, which I'd never been to before. | ||
| And you ever been to Asheville, North Carolina? | ||
| It's a fun spot. | ||
| Maybe I did a show there with Jordan. | ||
| You ever been to Northampton, Massachusetts? | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't live in Florida anymore, and I have no recollection of my life before Florida. | ||
| I was in Fort Lauderdale last week. | ||
| If you took Berkeley, California, and you put it in the mountains of the Carolinas, you'd have Asheville. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I wasn't even trying to start anything. | ||
| It was Memorial Day weekend. | ||
| It was Memorial Day weekend. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| Fourth of July weekend. | ||
| And I'm always like, don't tweet on vacation. | ||
| Don't tweet on vacation. | ||
| Because, you know, the swarms of lunatics come after you. | ||
| And then, you know, you're not paying attention to the beautiful sunset and the meal and everyone else. | ||
| You're like, oh, like, I'm going to crush you. | ||
| You're like, you're going to go crazy. | ||
| I just said, there are more. | ||
| I said, this is kind of surprising, something like that. | ||
| There are more people wearing masks here than in New York City. | ||
| And this is like summer. | ||
| This is this past summer, this past Fourth of July. | ||
| And I was like, look, I'm a little surprised by this. | ||
| Look, they went. | ||
| They went wild over this. | ||
| I got my phone out. | ||
| He was the number one trending subject. | ||
| I was like, what did he do? | ||
| I was on the beach just hanging out. | ||
| I'm trying to hang out with my future in-laws and just be like a cool guy. | ||
| My phone's getting blown up. | ||
| The Charlotte Observer wrote a news article about it, like right when Radiohost sneers at Asheville. | ||
| It went all crazy. | ||
| I'm sitting there like... Why? | ||
| Oh, because it's crazy blue there. | ||
| They were all... | ||
| They had masks required in a lot of stores. | ||
| They had all the clerks in all the stores, all the employees, N95 masks. | ||
| Every single one of them. | ||
| It is 80 degrees outside, the summer of 2022, and they're all wearing N95. | ||
| And a lot of them are double masks. | ||
| Anyway, so, so don't, don't, it's like, don't drink and drive. | ||
| Don't tweet and vacation, because you never know when something's going to, whenever you do something you think is just sort of, you can chill out, is when actually everyone comes after you. | ||
| I'll also say that that's totally true. | ||
| I feel like almost nothing lasts. | ||
| We were talking about this on the show during one of the commercial breaks. | ||
| Trump got arrested and had to be arraigned on Tuesday. | ||
| And I feel like that story is completely gone now. | ||
| A week later, it's like nobody even cares that this had never happened in the 240 year history of our country. | ||
| And it's crazy how quickly the news cycle means. | ||
| Do you ever feel that we're just basically in the show-must-go-on version of democracy at this point? | ||
| This is like a simulation or something? | ||
| Someone else is watching us? | ||
| Well, that is just the show. | ||
| So it's like, you're right, it literally happened a week ago. | ||
| People go crazy for three days, then we're talking about trans, this, the other thing, and then they boot the next hearing to December. | ||
| So it's like, oh, they're just telling us season two is coming, so let's just keep playing. | ||
| I think we're in a world now where, and Trump The whole Trump era made this much more apparent. | ||
| You never are punished for the wildest exaggeration as long as it got clicks and served your team, right? | ||
| So there's nothing you can say that is too crazy as long as it is within the ideology that you support, meaning people on the left, this anti-Trump stuff. | ||
| I mean, take examples of this. | ||
| There are people who are not only gainfully employed, but after all the Russia stuff, they are more famous. | ||
| And you've had guys who have come out and said that the January 6th Riot was worse than 9-11, worse than Pearl Harbor. | ||
| That's the kind of thing that in a sane world, people would be like, that person should never be on my show, TV, no one should listen to him, I think we should do a wellness check on him. | ||
| And instead, they're like, oh, we need to make this guy a contributor. | ||
| So what do we do about those people? | ||
| Because you guys are doing a similar thing on a daily basis as me, and I'm playing the clips from The View, and the stupid shit on MSNBC, and the liars on CNN. | ||
| And yes, we do it all, every week I can do it. | ||
| You know, they lied about this, they lied about that. | ||
| I think it's such a good question. | ||
| And my theory is the news cycle moves so fast that there's no reckoning. | ||
| And COVID is a perfect example. | ||
| and they end up working at the White House and everything like, | ||
| should we be ignoring them at some level? | ||
| I think it's such a good question. | ||
| And my theory is the news cycle moves so fast that there's no reckoning. | ||
| And COVID is a perfect example. | ||
| We keep hammering on this. | ||
| Not one Democrat, mayor or elected statewide official, lost his or her job getting everything wrong about COVID | ||
| for multiple years. | ||
| Cuomo lost his job for grabbing some woman across the belly or the tummy like years ago, but shoving elderly people by fiat into nursing homes full of COVID and calling for a million ventilators gets a $5 million book advance. | ||
| I mean, in some ways that's actually the most perfect encapsulation of what we're seeing. | ||
| Right, like that's the most obviously But the idea that someone voted for Gretchen Whitmer after she literally... She won comfortably. | ||
| Yeah, but after she literally told people, do not go outside and garden. | ||
| You know, I sent from crazy LA, I sent people seeds in the mail, fans, I kid you not, to Michigan because they couldn't... | ||
| Were they certified non-GMO? | ||
| Not Monsanto? | ||
| They locked off your ability to go into stores in Michigan and what you could buy, and there were no consequences. | ||
| This goes to larger context. | ||
| I feel like so many people have made up their mind that it's almost impossible to get anything to occur to get people to change their minds. | ||
| You know, there's the stuff where, like, we make fun of The View and it's great fun and they deserve it and, you know, The View, those ladies are all making millions of dollars to be idiots and they think they're great and they go to the cocktail parties in the Upper West Side and, you know, that's all fair. | ||
| And then there are the things we talk about sometimes where there's just a bit of shock and there's sadness at how this is going to play out, right? | ||
| And what just happened in Chicago, for example, I mean, you know, you grew up in New York City, too, right? | ||
| You were there in the 90s. | ||
| If you... I was told as a kid growing up in New York City by my school, my little Catholic school, to take off my jacket and my tie every day so that it was less likely that I would be beaten and mugged. | ||
| They would send that letter. | ||
| That's how common it was. | ||
| And this is a real thing in New York City. | ||
| We'd have a security guard on the block where I went to school because so many kids had knives pulled out and put up to their throat and their wallets were being taken. | ||
| Like, New York in 1991... Upper East Side! | ||
| Upper East Side! | ||
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Inside, which is like the fancy neighborhood, right? | |
| But, you know, there are neighborhoods that are close by that are not as high income. | ||
| Anyway, so we've seen what it's like, right? | ||
| That dystopia, that anarchy. | ||
| Clay grew up in Nashville. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Freedom. | ||
| No taxes. | ||
| Everyone's like playing. | ||
| He grew up in Nashville. | ||
| Everyone's shotguns and moonshine. | ||
| He's having a great time. | ||
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Mr. Miami over here. | |
| He's the one that doesn't live in Florida. | ||
| I told him you only can dress as Crockett from Miami Vice if you're gonna come hang out. | ||
| I got crushed for the drink that I got, and I know I'm going to be getting lit up right now for this shirt, but this is a phenomenal shirt. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
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Amazing shirt, amazing shirt. | |
| We see these things that sometimes happen, and one of the things that I think we've lost in this, and you used to have some of this on your show in the earlier days, when I feel like the left would actually come on and throw down. | ||
| I got into this business, I was a CNN contributor for a little while, and I was like, We're gonna fight, right? | ||
| With ideas. | ||
| We're gonna fight with ideas. | ||
| Never happens anymore. | ||
| There's no debates anymore. | ||
| Why am I talking about this? | ||
| One, I think it just makes the media less interesting. | ||
| But two, Chicago, the mayor's race, what just happened there. | ||
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That's why I was talking about New York. | |
| The highest crime, most violent parts of the city voted the most overwhelmingly for the guy who is going to make the city probably even less safe than it was under Lori Lightfoot, has all of the wrong ideas, all of the wrong inclinations. | ||
| I just wish there was someone who could try to represent that side. | ||
| I would actually like to have a real discussion with them. | ||
| I'd like to have a real, like, please God, make me understand how you don't see that more people are going to be shot in your city, in your neighborhood, because of this decision that is so obviously bad. | ||
| You know, I did Patrick Bet-David's live podcast last week. | ||
| We did it yesterday! | ||
| So I was on with Rudy, and it was... Oh yeah, he was talking about that. | ||
| You guys got into a debate. | ||
| Well, we got into Trump-DeSantis stuff, which I want to talk to you guys about, but he said that, talking about the crime in New York City, he said someone came up to me the other day and said, he said, what does it feel like to have your life's work ruined? | ||
| And the guy was almost crying as he said it, and then Rudy said something to the effect of, I started tearing up. | ||
| Because his life's work of cleaning up that city that you grew up in, that I remember, I grew up in Long Island, but going into the city where my grandparents lived before Rudy, when it was Dinkins those years, and the end of Koch, it was a freaking disaster and disgusting. | ||
| 2,200 murders in 1991, by the way. | ||
| They fact-checked that on the show. | ||
| That's the year before Rudy, right? | ||
| Yeah, pre-Rudy. | ||
| I'm saying that was the high watermark. | ||
| That was the worst year in the history of the city. | ||
| Over 2,000 murders. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, he said, someone came up to him and said this, and he said it was the first time he really realized, like, holy cow, that place is gone. | ||
| Well, you guys on either side. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| I'm Nashville, Tennessee, born and raised. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| But I think a lot of people who are watching us, listening to us, you are a New York guy. | ||
| You loved New York City. | ||
| Like you just said, you were born and raised there. | ||
| You grew up in New York, but then you really liked L.A. | ||
| I like for a long time. | ||
| Six years were great, and then it just collapsed. | ||
| L.A., the thing with L.A. | ||
| was it collapsed overnight. | ||
| It was, it was not like a slow, Chicago's been like kind of like a slow thing. | ||
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L.A. | |
| was like great, and then COVID. | ||
| Which I grew up, we talk about this as a show because, you know, I mean, Clay is a different generation, and so I like asking him about what it was like. | ||
| By the way, I'm like, Clay, I think you're younger than me. | ||
| I'm like, Clay, in the last year of Gen X. What are you? 79. | ||
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So when Clay was watching M.A.S.H. | |
| late at night, he had his smoking jacket on. | ||
| He was like Mr. Roper from Three's Company. | ||
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That was Clay's vibe. | |
| But no, obviously we both were kids in the 90s. | ||
| We love 90s. | ||
| He makes a big deal about me being a different generation. | ||
| What's also fun is some people don't hear the actual age difference. | ||
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They're just like, You need to stop making fun of Clay for being old! | |
| I get occasional email. | ||
| I'm like, no, no, you don't understand the joke. | ||
| Anyway, what was I even saying about this now? | ||
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What were we talking about? | |
| Generationally, like, the difference of, you guys made the decision, and this is the big, this is what I think is going to echo for years. | ||
| L.A., we keep going, L.A. | ||
| You finally said, I can't do L.A. | ||
| You finally said, I can't do New York City. | ||
| You both now are in Florida, and that's happening in Tennessee, that's happening in Texas. | ||
| I don't think we're going to see the full impact for a decade. | ||
| But I think it's fundamentally reset the entire fabric of the country. | ||
| There's no question. | ||
| Are you guys hopeful for the country? | ||
| Can I just on the L.A. | ||
| thing and then we come back to hopeful for the country? | ||
| Just because you lived out there. | ||
| I actually thought about moving out there like maybe seven years ago, six, seven years ago. | ||
| So I spent some time out there. | ||
| I grew up in the 90s where to me, as a New York City kid who loved New York City, LA, the beach, that was like the ultimate promised land. | ||
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All the Hollywood stuff, the beautiful women, the surfers. | |
| I don't even surf, and I watch Point Break, and I'm like, I want to be a surfer like these cool guys. | ||
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You look like a surfer. | |
| Well, thank you. | ||
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I do what I can. | |
| But you had this sense that LA, and it really was, and what's so interesting is now people say, oh, but all this, well, if liberal governance is so bad, It became this powerhouse when it was a Republican stronghold, really. | ||
| And then, increasingly, with a lot of illegal immigration and a lot of just demographic and other changes in the state of California, it became more and more left-wing. | ||
| And it takes a while. | ||
| This is the thing about New York. | ||
| It takes a while. | ||
| When you take over a place, whether it's a company, A home, you know, a car. | ||
| When you take control, take possession of something that's really nice and fine-tuned and working really, really well, it can sometimes take a while to actually destroy it, right? | ||
| To show that you're not doing, you're not a good caretaker of this. | ||
| And that's what I feel like with California now, this notion of that as like the promised land and, you know, all of our TV shows, Beverly Hills 90210, you know. | ||
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I was a kid. | |
| I want to date all those girls. | ||
| Like, this is amazing. | ||
| Baywatch, Pamela Anderson, Baywatch. | ||
| And now you think of California and you think of, like, communist teachers unions, Gavin Newsom being a psychopath, and, you know, disorder and decay in the streets and tons of traffic. | ||
| Like, it really has changed the perception. | ||
| So now that you're here and you're still in Nashville, should we care at all about California at this point? | ||
| I keep thinking about that a lot. | ||
| I mean, Newsom, you know, he just infected our state. | ||
| He was here for a couple days. | ||
| And he, I think, I truly think he is the embodiment of evil. | ||
| Like this guy is bad news. | ||
| Everything about him, you know, it's a sort of Jordan Peterson version of it, but like what would ultimate evil be? | ||
| It would just be the reverse of the truth. | ||
| And I think this guy is simply incapable of saying anything true. | ||
| So should we care about him? | ||
| I think we should care. | ||
| But the problem is, and I think this is what Rudy Giuliani is such a good example of, And Buck's right about Brandon Johnson in Chicago. | ||
| Until people realize that their choices are destroying their communities, nothing is going to change. | ||
| And I actually think it's more difficult because he left New York City. | ||
| You left L.A. | ||
| So you're going to make Florida redder. | ||
| You're, and Tennessee's getting redder, and Texas is getting redder, and what you're going to have is such a massive cultural conflict, right, between blue bluer and red redder. | ||
| And at some point, I think that is going to, really, if you could set up a perfect Red vs. Blue battle. | ||
| It should be DeSantis vs. Gavin Newsom. | ||
| And we should have it out. | ||
| Is California better than Florida? | ||
| Was the response of Gavin Newsom better during COVID than the response of Florida? | ||
| Because this is a great stat. | ||
| DeSantis won Florida. | ||
| By a higher percentage than Newsom won California. | ||
| So I think the nation needs to have that battle for there to be a true reckoning. | ||
| My biggest fear is just there have to be consequences for wrong decisions in a political process. | ||
| And right now it seems like we're in a consequence-free environment where, to Buck's point, it really doesn't matter. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| And I used to say on social media you're trending for some reason, some opinion, whatever. | ||
| It used to be you had to wait for somebody to do something dumber or draw more attention from you. | ||
| Now it feels like it doesn't even matter what you do, 24 hours later we wake up with a brand new slate. | ||
| There's something refreshing about that in a bizarre sense. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| Bud Light managed to get caught in this can't escape universe, but it requires you repudiating The people who like you for anything to last. | ||
| It's harder now, I think, also for people to be cancelled than it was, because I do think attention spans have shifted so rapidly now that if there's a silver lining to it, I think it's that you have to do something really crazy for people to tend to drop into all those things, whereas there was a time You know, people forget, like Brendan Eich, remember that guy who gave like 50 bucks to Prop 8 in California? | ||
| Same time that Barack Obama's running as a traditional marriage candidate, and then years later they're like, yeah, you're toast. | ||
| You're out. | ||
| You're gone. | ||
| I mean, that sort of stuff I actually think was happening a little more a few years ago, not because the left hasn't gotten Less crazy. | ||
| I think they're more crazy. | ||
| But I do think that their ability to both... to Alinsky, right? | ||
| Freeze the target, focus on the target, isolate the target. | ||
| That's a lot harder for them. | ||
| And also people realize, on the right, there's no apology tour, there's no bend the knee, there's no, hey, can you guys just, like, let me off this one time. | ||
| It's extend, Clay Travis style, double birds to the camera, and say, you know, this is how we roll. | ||
| Because if you kneel, they just take your head. | ||
| Everyone's seen that, I think, enough times. | ||
| What's the last thing you did that you were like, oh, people really were mad? | ||
| Like, I can't even remember. | ||
| And I'm probably jinxing myself. | ||
| I can't even remember the last time anybody even landed a punch on me over anything. | ||
| It's been years. | ||
| It's been a while. | ||
| I mean, you did The Unthinkable. | ||
| You said boobs on CNN. | ||
| That's when I did your show for the first time. | ||
| Boobs isn't even a curse word, by the way. | ||
| What was her name, Brianna? | ||
| No, it's his buddy, Brooke Baldwin. | ||
| I know Brooke Baldwin, they're buddies. | ||
| So this is the crazy, this is like, see if you hang out with all of us afterwards, this is where you get the insider stuff. | ||
| Brooke Baldwin is, that's right, Brooke Baldwin is actually, not there anymore, one of the cooler CNN hosts. | ||
| You guys would really get along. | ||
| Have you met her? | ||
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No, never met her. | |
| But on camera, with Zucker watching from his little office and everything, it was like, oh! | ||
| It was Pearl clutching everything else. | ||
| But I'm telling you, if you sat with her now, she'd be like, yeah, I probably could have rolled with that one a little bit. | ||
| Well, what's funny is I was on Headline News the day before, and I said the same thing, and the host laughed, right? | ||
| I mean, because it's clearly not a... because, again, that's when we first met. | ||
| Can you give the 20-second recap of it? | ||
| For people who do not know, this is like five years ago, I went on talking about Jemele Hill at ESPN, and I was defending her free speech rights, and I was saying ESPN shouldn't be firing people for tweets or anything else that's going on, right? | ||
| And then I went on CNN and I said, and I've been saying this on my radio show for years, I only believe in two things completely, the First Amendment and boobs, because a heterosexual man, neither have ever let me down, right? | ||
| And it's better than saying what I had found, I'm a First Amendment absolutist, because people get hung up on what does that even mean? | ||
| And this is a little bit more funny way, a funnier way of saying that. | ||
| And she just lost her mind and wanted me to apologize. | ||
| And I just doubled down. | ||
| There's another guy on, and we were talking about this yesterday. | ||
| It's gone viral on TikTok now, right? | ||
| Like new generations of kids are finding it. | ||
| Because the apology thing of, oh, she immediately tried to get me to apologize. | ||
| And then it was the number one trending subject in America. | ||
| And I just leaned right into it. | ||
| All you did back then was talk about boobs. | ||
| Now you got to chop your boobs off to get it. | ||
| Well, that's how crazy things have gotten. | ||
| Are we circling back the trans thing for a second? | ||
| Because there's one thing that I've been saying to Clay since we started the show, and you know I have in a couple of different, you know I started, people don't remember this now, I think it's kind of funny, I started the show rising Which later became, it was with Crystal Ball, who was at MSNBC, and Crystal and I always had a very, now I sound like Trump, we had a beautiful relationship, we disagreed on everything, beautiful relationship, but no, we always got along, and she's actually, for her point of view, I think she's talented, but she's very left-wing, I don't know if you know her at all. | ||
| Not personally. | ||
| She's like Bernie Sanders left-wing, right? | ||
| And now she does that show with Sager, and then later on I actually did a podcast with Mark Lamont Hill, who again, great guy, do you know Mark at all? | ||
| He's like a super fun guy to hang out with, you know, really, you know, he's witty, he's amusing and everything, but also super left-wing politics. | ||
| But from, you know, spending time with them and just sort of hearing also conversations around them with some of their colleagues and other people, you get a sense of what the true left position, because they'll actually get heat on the left from people that think that they're not hardcore enough, right? | ||
| Or they're not going hard. | ||
| So I've learned from years of doing that with other hosts, What the real, like, the maximalist position is. | ||
| So, for example, on defund police, it's actually not defund police, as I'm sure you know, it's abolish. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Abolish police, abolish prisons. | ||
| That's like the pure, pure... And they refer to it as an abolition movement, not, without obvious connection to, you know, the righteousness of the abolition movement of slavery. | ||
| So that's what the hardcore left wants there. | ||
| The hardcore left, the true position of the left on transgender issues is not You know, be nice to people, like, don't, you know, let people live their life, like the stuff you're saying, right? | ||
| Like, let people be who they are and do their thing. | ||
| The true position is that these are a transgender man who becomes a woman, right, whatever, is a woman in every sense, indistinguishable in how she should be not only treated legally, but socially, in athletics, professionally, everything else. | ||
| It is a woman 100% the same, to the point where, and I've actually posed this to, like, leftists before, true leftists, So, is a heterosexual male supposed to be attracted to a trans female or else they're transphobic? | ||
| They would say yes. | ||
| They would say that's transphobia. | ||
| It is a woman indistinguishable from, you know, the mothers that gave us life. | ||
| A woman 100%. | ||
| That is the definition of crazy, which is why it's so important to just not, not only not cede this ground, but to look at the whole argument and where this came from and how this happened. | ||
| Is that the crazy part of the left? | ||
| And I actually prefer to talk about crazy parts of the right, because we could do this all day long. | ||
| Sure, no, absolutely. | ||
| We could shift to that, but... | ||
| Is that the crazy part of the left, that there is basically nobody saying no to this stuff? | ||
| I mean, look, there's Bill Maher, who will always vote Democrat no matter what. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| He's not red-pilled. | ||
| I like him too. | ||
| We've become friends. | ||
| I'm trying with him so hard, but I know at the end, even if it's DeSantis, and even if Kali goes back into lockdowns, he will still support the Democrat. | ||
| It's just how it is. | ||
| You know, I think there's something to be said if you're a 67-year-old worth $100 million, you can have a set of luxury beliefs where it's because it's not your kids. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, you're not married, you don't have kids, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But there's basically nobody on the left saying, like, where is Bill Clinton? | ||
| Where's a statesman on the left just being like, could we not go completely crude, you know? | ||
| Go to sports. | ||
| Where is somebody on ESPN who will just come out on their network? | ||
| Clay told me this early on, we teamed up, and I'll let him go into the sports things more, but just it was so funny because he told me, I was like, dude, how woke is... because I come from the news commentary background and all that stuff straight up, and he comes from the sports background, and I was like, how woke is sports media? | ||
| And he said, more woke And more ardently left-wing than journalism, like traditional journalism. | ||
| And I was like, Clay, that's insane. | ||
| And it's 100% true. | ||
| It's 100% true. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| He's not a huge sports guy, but you know, but for OutKick, there is no one out there that would say, in all, think about how crazy this is, in all of sports media, that would say men should compete against men and women should compete against women. | ||
| And think about it, on ESPN, They have moved from, okay, we only focus on sports, to they ran during, I think women's celebration month is now March or whatever, I can't keep up with all the different months, but they ran a Leah Thomas is a women's sports champion one minute advertisement basically from ESPN. | ||
| And so I look at this and There is no one on the air on ESPN that would go on and say, this is wrong. | ||
| And so to your point, to me this is emblematic of where we are, that even things that are biological realities, there's hardly anyone that would even make this fight. | ||
| And I look at it and I say, there's a knife fight for the 25% of woke sports media, and then there's outkick. | ||
| And we win. | ||
| Because it's like, you're fighting on something that is an objective farce. | ||
| But I wonder, I think Buck's right. | ||
| I think in three years, if you don't want to bang a chick with a dick, you're going to be considered transphobic. | ||
| Or be banged by a chick. | ||
| That's the next version. | ||
| Even scarier! | ||
| That's the next version. | ||
| You know, I think I told you this once. | ||
| I grew up in the same town as Sue Bird. | ||
| She's come out with Megan Rapinoe. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So she's, how old is she? | ||
| Over 40. | ||
| Right, so she's probably about seven years younger than me, but I would occasionally play basketball with her at the local parks. | ||
| I asked at the park. | ||
| You got the moves there, Ruben? | ||
| You've got an outdoor basketball court. | ||
| I've seen the footage. | ||
| I need to see it. | ||
| I've got a torn ACL on my knee, but I can still shoot. | ||
| I would play with her, with a couple other guys, and she would play with all guys. | ||
| And she was clearly better than almost everybody, but she could never play in the NBA. | ||
| That's not misogynist to say, it's not anything else. | ||
| And the fact that she has now come out on the other side of this. | ||
| And Megan Rapinoe! | ||
| Yeah, but she was long gone from the beginning. | ||
| But I mean, they're basically coming out in favor of erasing women's sports. | ||
| Because this circles back around to the Riley Gaines angle. | ||
| People say, why do you care? | ||
| Well, the reality is because I believe... I care for the same reason that I wouldn't... I coach a 12-year-old little league, right? | ||
| I shouldn't be able to show up with a 16-year-old and run the league, right? | ||
| And everybody would naturally react to that. | ||
| I care because there are basic rules of allowing fairness in competition, and this violates all of them. | ||
| Here's the problem, though, and the reason, and then I know you want to trump your standards. | ||
| By the way, PBD So it's hard, because there's the Presidential Daily Brief, which I used to work for, which is the PBD, and then there's the P-B-B-D, which is Patrick Bet-David, right? | ||
| So I get these switched up. | ||
| By the way, Clay threw me under the bus yesterday with a little old-school reference to my prom date on the PBD show. | ||
| You know who you went to prom with? | ||
| Who'd you go to prom with? | ||
| Junior prom, and we're not even... Clay, we're not even bringing this up right now. | ||
| This is what happened on the PBD show, because that's all they want to talk about then. | ||
| I'm like, excuse me, I have serious political ideas, and instead they're asking me about my 16-year-old... It's possible that you peaked at 16. | ||
| I definitely peaked at 16. | ||
| She didn't say a word about you. | ||
| Didn't say a word about me. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's sad. | ||
| I'm in the wrong tax bracket, my friend. | ||
| I had to go. | ||
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I had to go into the government service. | |
| She really blew it. | ||
| She could have been Mrs. Buck Saxton instead. | ||
| She's married to a billionaire. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| That was funny, though, because I'm on PBD yesterday. | ||
| We're talking DeSantis-Trump stuff. | ||
| We're trying to really have an in-depth conversation. | ||
| That's all that I've heard about so far from people that watch that. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| I'm sorry for blowing you up in a good way. | ||
| Nobody's going to be like, oh, you went to prom with a bunk. | ||
| I think I can maybe beat you on prom. | ||
| It was junior prom, by the way. | ||
| Junior prom. | ||
| You will know exactly where both of you were on my prom night. | ||
| OJ? | ||
| My prom night. | ||
| Oh, that's a good guess. | ||
| No, I didn't know. | ||
| I'm just guessing. | ||
| I'm guessing like... My prom night, I believe it was either June 19th or June 17th, 1994. | ||
| It was the night of the OJ Simpson car chase, which was also game six of the... Houston Rockets, New York Knicks. | ||
| I was watching it. | ||
| He was a big Knicks fan back in the day. | ||
| That was the Elijah Juan just got the Stark shot that missed it. | ||
| Then they went to game seven. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| I was at the Waldorf Astoria in New York. | ||
| So how did you become aware that the OJ Chase was going on on prom night? | ||
| Because all of us were trying. | ||
| No, we were at prom at the Waldorf, but all of us, it was game six of the finals in New York. | ||
| So you were one of these Long Island Young kids, you used to be an interloper in my city with your neon lights under the car and the whole thing. | ||
| We were very fancy. | ||
| I know you Long Islanders. | ||
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The Bridge and Tuttle Squad, now I know what's going on. | |
| We were all trying to watch Game 6, so kids, we were all running down to the bar, but they wouldn't let us stay at the bar, but then suddenly the TV's all switched over. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And then we were all freaking out because we wanted to go back to Game 6 and a legendary evening. | ||
| So, are we still on the seriousness, the metaphysical reality of trans? | ||
| By the way, guys, I just want to say, are we all class here? | ||
| I gotta drink! | ||
| I mean, not drink. | ||
| I gotta drive, so I can't drink too much of this. | ||
| I gotta drink! | ||
| My girl is buying glasses for us right now. | ||
| What is this clap? | ||
| What does this even say on it? | ||
| This was just from the store next door, because we didn't have any cups here. | ||
| I picked up the tequila. | ||
| My girl's at Target right now. | ||
| She's gonna come and bring us glasses. | ||
| Dave Rubin, you're a very fashionable man. | ||
| That's for sure. | ||
| We know this, right? | ||
| You're a man of some style and substance in the fashion realm. | ||
| Thank you, Buck. | ||
| We had a woman, I'm gonna guess she, based on both her name and the fact that her email was definitely an AOL email, who was one of our esteemed readers, who I think is of the older generation. | ||
| Phyllis. | ||
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Phyllis. | |
| I mean, if your name's Phyllis, you're probably not Phyllis. | ||
| Phyllis AOL. | ||
| One of our beloved VIPs. | ||
| Great gal, great gal. | ||
| And Phyllis is great. | ||
| She told me that I absolutely need to shave my beard, because I said it on the show, and I've got two bearded gentlemen here. | ||
| Do you think I could pull it off? | ||
| How long have you had the beard? | ||
| Oh my god, five years now? | ||
| So mine's, I'm about five years or so into the beard, six years. | ||
| I could never shave it. | ||
| I'm more beard than man. | ||
| You're more? | ||
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Wow! | |
| I'm 21 years in on the beard. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I've had it since 02. | ||
| Your beard, you keep it tight enough that you almost look like someone that's just on a long weekend. | ||
| I keep it super close. | ||
| Like the old school Wolf Blitzer. | ||
| Remember Wolf Blitzer? | ||
| You were always like, what's going on with the Wolf Blitzer beard? | ||
| When I was doing stand-up, I used to do a joke about if you stare into his beard long enough, you start tripping like you're on mushrooms. | ||
| Also, by the way, I have a theory about this that we talked about on the show. | ||
| I want to throw this out to you. | ||
| What does Ivanka think about the beard? | ||
| I haven't heard from her in like 10 years, man. | ||
| You should text her and see what she thinks about the beard. | ||
| You should literally text her and be like, I'm on set with Buck Sexton who lives in Miami. | ||
| You should text her and be like, I'm here in Miami with Buck and he's just like, you don't call, you don't write, you know? | ||
| I'll tell her where we're going tonight. | ||
| I'm like chopped liver over here, you know what I mean? | ||
| Maybe they'll do a guest appearance. | ||
| I'll tell her where we're going. | ||
| Her dad asked me to be in his cabinet, okay? | ||
| And she doesn't even text. | ||
| I'm just saying. | ||
| This is getting weird. | ||
| Did you ever date anybody famous? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I didn't date her. | ||
| No, I did not date her. | ||
| See, this is how these things all get crazy. | ||
| That's a date. | ||
| No, it was junior prom, which is more like school formal junior year. | ||
| Prom is senior year, so it was a different thing. | ||
| So you went to the same school as her? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I invited her in. | ||
| It's a date. | ||
| It was a date, but it wasn't, you know, we weren't, like, going steady or anything, you know? | ||
| I don't want, you know, Jared to, like, hire the Mossad to take me out or something, you know what I mean? | ||
| So I'm just, you know, trying to... I don't think so. | ||
| Did you bang her? | ||
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No! | |
| Good heavens, sir! | ||
| How could you even bring these things? | ||
| I'm just asking what the people want. | ||
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I know. | |
| I can feel it. | ||
| How could you even bring... We were friends. | ||
| Did you hold hands? | ||
| We were friends. | ||
| I've been doing this a long time. | ||
| I think I got a high five at the end of the night. | ||
| A high five? | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| I can't believe you're putting this on the internet. | ||
| Is this on the internet? | ||
| I think that's a fabulous question. | ||
| Wait, what happened to our glasses? | ||
| Oh, we have actual glasses now. | ||
| We can shift, because we're all class here. | ||
| I'm trying to think. | ||
| Have you ever dated anybody famous? | ||
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You don't have to name them. | |
| I don't think so, actually. | ||
| Well, remember, I got married when I was 25, so the answer is 100% no, because I was only 25 when I got married. | ||
| Nobody cared about me for years, so I never got to cash in on the buck. | ||
| I'm a bachelor in New York City for 25 years. | ||
| 20 some odd years in Europe, let me tell you. | ||
| I've always thought that it'd be fun to start a podcast, but it would have to be very unfiltered. | ||
| I mean, it's funny, because when we go on podcasts, like, he's cursing and dropping F-bombs, but I'm so, like, in the, I just, I still can't. | ||
| Even on Bill Maher's show, you know, I asked him, I was like, I can really curse here? | ||
| You can actually curse. | ||
| And he just started saying things, but I just can't. | ||
| Do you guys find it's tough to get out of radio mode? | ||
| Because you've said that to me a couple of times, where suddenly you're talking to people and you realize you're in, like, Radio Guy. | ||
| Because there is that little, you guys are both the same off-camera, but all of us have this little, There's a performance quality, right? | ||
| I think the biggest challenge with radio, and we've talked about this, I genuinely don't believe there should be any restrictions on what we say. | ||
| Clay's not driving. | ||
| I'm the chauffeur, by the way. | ||
| It's a little unsurprising. | ||
| We have Uber in this town. | ||
| You can leave your car here. | ||
| Do you know that our studio is out? | ||
| It's like where they have the alligators and the fan boats and stuff. | ||
| We're way out there. | ||
| It's a ways out there. | ||
| Yeah, it's way out there. | ||
| But I'm just saying, we can get from the building we are in right now to where we are going this evening without you having to drive. | ||
| But my car is outside, so what am I going to do? | ||
| Am I going to leave it here? | ||
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There's also this neighborhood. | |
| I mean, I live not far, but like, you know, it's a little spicy. | ||
| It's a little spicy around here. | ||
| You know, Dave Rubin, you got all this locals money. | ||
| I'm just going to throw this out there. | ||
| Yeah, I don't want my location being said. | ||
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You got armed security, you know? | |
| Wait, what were you saying now? | ||
| No, I think it was a good transition. | ||
| I have long thought that the idea of There being still restrictions on what can be said on radio is very antiquated. | ||
| We can't curse on our radio show by and large. | ||
| There's like eight words you can't say without it being like a huge hubbub. | ||
| Community standard FEC violation. | ||
| FCC violation. | ||
| That standard made sense in 1950. | ||
| I think nowadays people are choosing... You don't accidentally end up on our radio show, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so I think the audience is able to handle cursing a little bit. | ||
| But I will say... Don't you like some level of the regulation? | ||
| Like, to me, even on YouTube, I really try not to curse. | ||
| So here's my thing. | ||
| But every now and again, like, short from the view, I'm like... Here's my thing. | ||
| I'll say this. | ||
| People know, like, we both, you know us, you hang out with us socially, you know, we curse in our private lives. | ||
| I don't pretend to, like, wag a finger at people about that. | ||
| But we do, I mean, we have, like, we have What does radio have now? | ||
| that listen to the radio show, right? | ||
| And so that's where, like, the people who are like, oh, like you shed, like, gosh darn, | ||
| and they get upset at us, that's not really, but if someone's in the car, | ||
| and they got their eight-year-old and their 12-year-old, and we like, you know, let an F-bomb or something fly, | ||
| I would, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, that's where I think it's, you just gotta assume. | ||
| What does radio have now? | ||
| It's a three-second delay still? | ||
| Oh, we have like 20-something seconds. | ||
| Oh, yeah, we have 20-something seconds. | ||
| I don't think, am I wrong? | ||
| I don't think we've ever said an inappropriate thing into the use of the radio. No, we've never had to drop. | ||
| You've never been bleeped once. | ||
| When I did local sports radio in Nashville, it wasn't even just me. | ||
| We would have callers come in. | ||
| And just go off, right? | ||
| Which is great radio. | ||
| And you're supposed to hit the dump button. | ||
| And sometimes you're like, you forget or you punch the wrong button or whatever. | ||
| So back in the day when I did local sports talk radio, I mean there were people like, we definitely violated some FCC rules over like what could be said. | ||
| But I've never as a solo host, I don't believe I have ever, ever cursed. | ||
| Live on the radio. | ||
| So then does that seem weird to you guys at this point? | ||
| So we can be sitting here. | ||
| You obviously can say whatever you want. | ||
| We have no delay. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| Now you have a 20-second delay. | ||
| You're gonna slightly... It's not just about cursing, right? | ||
| By the way, what we do is super weird, right? | ||
| Like so, especially radio. | ||
| My wife will sometimes come up. | ||
| Buck now has a home studio. | ||
| I've got a home studio. | ||
| There are people here working on your show. | ||
| We can look at them. | ||
| There's an audience of your talented staff, right? | ||
| Look at this guy. | ||
| He's doing nothing. | ||
| When I sit in an empty studio in my house, I talk as if there are people watching. | ||
| My wife will come up and make fun of me. | ||
| Like, you move your hands. | ||
| Like, you act as if... So, it is an abnormal thing to sit in front of a microphone and talk for three hours with no one actually able to see you. | ||
| I tell everybody, to do this, you have to be kind of weird. | ||
| We're together, I'd say, like... | ||
| A couple times a quarter. | ||
| I mean, rarely. | ||
| It's all because we all do it via screen. | ||
| This is very exciting for you guys right now. | ||
| But it's not much different, right? | ||
| Because we have the FaceTime set up, so I'm looking at him, we can see both back and forth. | ||
| We stare into each other's eyes for three hours a day. | ||
| I talk to him more than I talk to my wife or he talks to his wife. | ||
| I just realized, even though we're all going out tonight, I know you're dipping out for dinner with the boss. | ||
| You're going out with the Casa Drogones guy. | ||
| We went out last night. | ||
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So there's boss of the whole corporation, and then our immediate boss. | |
| We got multiple bosses. | ||
| Not everyone's Dave Rubin just calling all the shots for himself, you know what I mean? | ||
| Some of us gotta answer to... The chances I fire myself, very slim. | ||
| That was the benefit. | ||
| I mean, you asked a question earlier about, and I said this the other day, because we talked to a lot of people in their 20s and 30s, and they're like, hey, how do you move into media? | ||
| And I bet you would agree with this. | ||
| I would have been far more nervous being 100% honest if I didn't own Outkick. | ||
| Oh yeah, of course. | ||
| Because I knew that ultimately I controlled my own fate. | ||
| And even if you're trying to be completely honest, in the back of your mind, if somebody else controls your job, it's hard to say exactly what you think. | ||
| Yeah, I say what I... Look, for better or worse, it's all coming out of my brain and it is what it is. | ||
| The only place I've ever worked where they tried to control what I've said in any real way was CNN, which is unsurprising. | ||
| Which doesn't... By the way, the way they would do it... Well, you say that, right? | ||
| No, it shows how it's shifted. | ||
| Right, because it used to, I mean, people were like, you worked at CNN, I'm like, yeah, I was there, Kayleigh was there, Dana Lash worked at CNN, like, you go down, like, there's all these people who are right-wing, who used to be CNN contributors, and would, you know, present a conservative point of view. | ||
| In the Trump era, it just, the place changed. | ||
| I mean, when I say, and I mean in 2016, it went from, and even like the producers, like, people were kind of, you were, you were like, like, unclean, like, you were a bad, If you came on air to say good things. | ||
| So the funny thing is they actually tried to extend me, but I've told Clay, it's because I used to do a lot of counterterrorism analysis for them because of CIA, CTC. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| And so they would have me do their, you know, panels on terrorism, stuff like that. | ||
| But I said I wasn't going to keep the, I had no job. | ||
| I was like, I'm not keeping this job. | ||
| I just can't do this anymore. | ||
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That was 2015, 2016. | |
| So my contract ended at the 2016 election I was done. | ||
| So when Trump won, It's like, do you want to stay here and see how this is? | ||
| And the answer was no, but even just the institutionally, the whole place got more and more hostile. | ||
| And I mean, I remember this, like I, so I grew up cause you know, you, you were like a moderate and you were like a communist who's come over, which is, which is exciting. | ||
| You know, I'm still, you know what I mean? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, welcome, welcome to the team. | ||
| And I, I grew up and I was watching like Hannity and Combs, you know, I think definitely in college, I think in high school. | ||
| Poet Columns always getting smacked around. | ||
| That was a good show though! | ||
| I liked that show! | ||
| It was a good show, and actually he was, but you know, you used to see, and you know the site Mediite? | ||
| Only people, people don't know. | ||
| Ten years ago it was fine, it was perfectly fine, and now it's left-wing. | ||
| Left-wing, I know, but it used to be basically the best fights between talking heads on TV, so it was actually a really fun site because it was like, you know, people throw down. | ||
| Where does that even happen anymore? | ||
| What forum is there? | ||
| Bill Marshall, they've got, you know, they've had you on, me on. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| They won't have me on. | ||
| They will. | ||
| Actually, I have not been on. | ||
| I've been on the podcast. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| And they've promised me many, many times and canceled me many times, and I just don't want to voice it. | ||
| At this point, I would be like, I feel like I did what I had to do with Bill, and it would almost be ridiculous to have me on. | ||
| Actually, I don't think I've even said this on air, but I went there a couple weeks ago, because I was in L.A. | ||
| for something else, and I went to the show, and for years, for literally 20 years, I've been trying to get on Politically Incorrect, even before that. | ||
| So I've been trying to sit down with this guy forever. | ||
| I went, I'm backstage, and I've been backstage many times, and met all the producers, EPs, blah, blah, blah, and was always selling me. | ||
| I was trying to sell myself, like, let me on. | ||
| Bill doesn't get the left, what's really happening? | ||
| For the first time ever, I could not, I swear to you, I don't mean this patting myself on the back, I was just like, I don't give a shit, and all of the producers were coming up to me and being like, oh, we don't know what you've been on. | ||
| I can tell you from single guy life back in the day, I mean you were single I think for a long time too, but the moment you don't care is when they all start to care, right? | ||
| The moment you're like, yeah, I don't know if I'm going to call you, whatever, they're just like, what do you mean? | ||
| I swear to you, if I got a text as we were sitting here like, you want to do it this Friday, I would view it in a way as more of a headache than anything else. | ||
| Like, I don't feel like I have anything to prove in that way anymore. | ||
| And that's part of such a machine. | ||
| Right, but so my point is just that there's really no forum left. | ||
| I mean, think about it. | ||
| If they were to take, you know, one of us, three of us, whatever, and put us there with some people who have, you know, the thing is, it has to be, it's almost like a boxing match. | ||
| You have to have people of relatively equal weight, right? | ||
| Like, I was invited recently to, by somebody, they're like, oh, will you debate, like, some, like, I don't know, some, like, TikTok influence or something. | ||
| This is their friend of mine. | ||
| And I'm like, no, I'm not gonna debate some guy I've never heard of before who has, you know, But there should be a place where we can get back to those 2010-era, media-ite, Thunderdome, throw-down debates. | ||
| I mean, I remember Chris Hitchens, RIT, you know, throwing the middle finger up to the Bill Maher audience, like, there used to be this stuff, and dude, it's all gone now. | ||
| But the truth is, and I know this is easy for us to say, but this is a failure of the left, not of the right. | ||
| We all would have done it. | ||
| When I was still on the left and my show was starting to take off because I was complaining about the left, from the left, I would have Ben Shapiro on and Larry Elder and Prager and all these guys, and I would get hate only from the left. | ||
| Why would you even sit down with them? | ||
| The people on the right would be like, Reuben, you seem like a bit of a nutbag, like a lefty nutbag, but it's nice you treat them with respect. | ||
| We were in D.C. | ||
| two weeks ago. | ||
| I interviewed, I think, 16 Republicans. | ||
| Every person we reached out to said yes, and then three couldn't do it. | ||
| Mitch McConnell fell, so he couldn't do it. | ||
| Rand Paul's assistant got stabbed in DC, so he couldn't do it. | ||
| And then there was the shooting in Tennessee, so Marsha Blackburn had to bail. | ||
| We got everybody else. | ||
| We reached out to, I think, 20 Democrats. | ||
| No responses from 19. | ||
| Rashida Tlaib at least said no. | ||
| So that tells you it right there. | ||
| I'm not known as a hardcore... People used to criticize me. | ||
| You're supposed to be the gateway drug. | ||
| You're supposed to be the one that people can experiment with before they take the full red pill. | ||
| And the truth is, I would treat them with the same respect. | ||
| If I sat down with AOC, I have said crazy things about AOC. | ||
| I think she's a communist and a LARPer and a blah blah blah. | ||
| But I would treat her with the same respect if I was sitting across from her. | ||
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This is what I was saying. | |
| I mean, you can... It's because people... | ||
| I used to get this actually back in the CNN days. | ||
| They'd say, like, why do you even go there? | ||
| And, by the way, the answer after a while was, well, now it's no longer worth me going there. | ||
| But there was a time when you would actually be able to get some shots in. | ||
| Like, I crushed Alan Dershowitz in a gun debate once because he doesn't know anything about guns. | ||
| My son's a brilliant constitutional law professor, doesn't know a damn thing about firearms, right? | ||
| I mean, you have these opportunities. | ||
| I mean, you know, Van Jones and I debated BLM 1.0. | ||
| Like, you have these chances. | ||
| Now, the host would cheat and like, you know, step on you and not the other person and all that sort of stuff. | ||
| But I feel like one of the reasons why, you know, we're sitting here, we're just talking about how crazy they are all the time now, is that no one has to defend their ideas anymore. | ||
| In any forum, anywhere, anytime. | ||
| It's all just, you know, amen corner for the left. | ||
| And honestly, a lot of it on the right as well. | ||
| And I think that we're missing something. | ||
| And I don't know how to bring it back. | ||
| No, I don't know either. | ||
| I would love to. | ||
| Believe me, I would love to. | ||
| I had Richard Dreyfuss on the show this week. | ||
| We haven't aired it yet. | ||
| But Richard Dreyfuss, an actor not known for politics particularly. | ||
| But he wrote a book about civics. | ||
| And for an hour, that's all he talked to me about. | ||
| He just wants to find a place that you can have these debates. | ||
| And I was like, listen, that's really what I set out to do and what I would still do. | ||
| But we have one side that simply will not do it. | ||
| The thing is, they're winning despite not doing it. | ||
| And the reason, in real time, when you're wondering why the guests are so shitty, it's like, he knows if he puts good conservatives on, or good libertarians, or whatever the hell we all are, if he puts any of us on, we will do it well. | ||
| Do you remember when Dennis Prager was on there, like two years ago, and it was shocking that they put him on at all, and Dennis started talking about transgender stuff, and they're mocking him, and making fun of him, and everything Dennis said turned out to be true. | ||
| But there's no, so instead they get this all... The marketplace of ideas doesn't exist anymore. | ||
| That's the biggest challenge, right? | ||
| Is people speak entirely. | ||
| Because I think about this all the time. | ||
| Because in my mind, and I'm always trying to persuade people who are persuadable. | ||
| Like in my mind, like for our show, I want there to be a massacre in 2024. | ||
| Because I think the only... What's worse than a massacre? | ||
| I think the only way Democrats get sane is if identity politics and cancel culture get obliterated. | ||
| The other thing, I mean, I think that's true. | ||
| One thing that I underestimated in all of this, and it's partly what I saw with COVID and also what you're seeing in some of these cities, is that because of the ideological ossification, right, because of that hardening that's occurred where no one's exposed these ideas, what we would think would be corrective pain Doesn't actually result in, Chicago is a perfect example, this doesn't actually result in, because they're like, no, no, this is part of the process. | ||
| And you start to see it's almost a Soviet, early Soviet Bolshevik level thinking of, all right, like there's going to be famine, but on the other side of famine is going to be the utopia, the promised land. | ||
| Right, so they believe that it basically proves them right. | ||
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| Because it proves that the system doesn't work. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And so in places like San Francisco, for example, people say, like, well, hold on. | ||
| People are fleeing. | ||
| There's trash everywhere. | ||
| There's open-air drug use. | ||
| There's more overdoses than ever before. | ||
| All the metrics show it's getting worse, but they're just thinking, well, this just shows how broken and and racist and oppressive the system actually is. | ||
| So we need an even more radical solution over the long term and double down on this in the short term. | ||
| Now, I do think that breaks at some point, like they start to lose more people. | ||
| I'm just saying that their threshold for that pain point is way more than I had anticipated. | ||
| Trump winning in New York. | ||
| Trump winning in 20 would have forced a realization and reflection on the left. | ||
| Then COVID happened and they managed to drag Biden across the finish line. | ||
| I mean, look, just think about it from this. | ||
| I've got this book coming out in August. | ||
| Democrats have won seven of the last eight elections in the popular vote. | ||
| The team that is dominating doesn't change their tactics, right? | ||
| Until you get your ass kicked. | ||
| And that is what we are waiting for. | ||
| And frankly, the entire 21st century, the only election everybody acknowledges is Obama won in 2008. | ||
| And doesn't that feel like a freaking lifetime ago? | ||
| Remember Open Change? | ||
| It doesn't even seem like this country. | ||
| Obama could never be the nominee with 2008 as his campaign slogan now. | ||
| He was against gay marriage. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| I mean, in all honesty, there's a lot of Obama 2008 that would be a Republican campaign now. | ||
| The whole premise of his campaign was Reagan 80. | ||
| Buck knows I love this. | ||
| Reagan 80 and Clinton 92, which is, America's so amazing that I could be the president of the United States. | ||
| It did used to be the case that Like, even the notion of flag-waving. | ||
| And there have been articles written in the New York Times about this more recently, how it has changed. | ||
| But, you know, Democrats, and I mean literally flag-waving, right? | ||
| Like, not in the figurative sense, that flag-waving was something both sides did, and it was who represents America better, who has a better vision. | ||
| Who loves the country more. | ||
| And now, from the left, flag-waving is scary. | ||
| Unless it's the trans flag, or the UN flag, or the American flag. | ||
| This was a thing during COVID. | ||
| You may have even seen this. | ||
| The New York Times wrote about it. | ||
| In Long Island. | ||
| Yeah, in Long Island. | ||
| People see too many American flags. | ||
| Like, oh, that's scary to me. | ||
| And it just goes to show the psychology of this and how much it's changed. | ||
| And the other part of it is, It's amazing to me to see how they will say that our side has become the radical side when all of the positions of the Democrat Party that felt like they were on the slippery slope ten years ago have just been rocketing down that slope without question. | ||
| They haven't moderated on anything. | ||
| And that a guy with my bio could be fully welcomed by the Republicans. | ||
| I am married to a dude. | ||
| I have children. | ||
| I am pro-choice. | ||
| Rudy's pro-choice. | ||
| Nobody thinks he's not a conservative, right? | ||
| It's just so obvious to me that there is one side that talks about tolerance and one side that actually exists within tolerance. | ||
| So you mentioned, by the way, DeSantis-Trump. | ||
| We haven't even talked about it. | ||
| I think this is the chance. | ||
| We were watching during the show today. | ||
| You may have seen it. | ||
| It actually was airing on television. | ||
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this pudding, you know, like a pudding ad. | |
| Have you seen it? | ||
| So yeah, so I did see it. | ||
| I wish we could throw to it right now, but I saw it's a Trump super PAC put out the stupidest, | ||
| like pandering, low budget bullshit. | ||
| So when do you think DeSantis announces? | ||
| And when do we actually get the beginning of a real fight? | ||
| Because what we talk about on our show is, first of all, we don't think we're in a position, because the legacy of Rush and the audience that we are fortunate to have on the radio show, we don't get involved in Republican primes. | ||
| Do you know how early in 2016 Rush endorsed Donald Trump? | ||
| Well, you do though. | ||
| We do and we don't. | ||
| We talk about it every day, but I'm not going to say like, hey, I'm 100% a Republican. | ||
| Do you know how early in the 2016 rush endorsed Donald Trump? | ||
| Really important for people to know this. | ||
| I would have thought it was late, actually. | ||
| Never. | ||
| As in, you waited until Trump. | ||
| So it was a trick question. | ||
| Well done there, by the way. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, Rush never endorsed Trump. | ||
| He talked about Trump, supportive of Trump, but, you know, gave a fair shake to talking about Ted Cruz and Rubio and everybody else, you know, assessing it and really approaching it like we do as, you know, balls and strikes or, you know, the coach of the team or whatever you want to say, and this demand that people You seem to have, in the media right now, some other people to come in at this... Can we at least see what the campaigns look like before we're supposed to make a decision? | ||
| They're actually debatable. | ||
| That's also why politics... It's funny because your ability to use sports metaphors to explain politics is incredible, but also the more politics becomes like sports, the more dangerous it is in a certain sense. | ||
| He's very proud of me when I'm like, Clay, on this one we're going to have to drop back and punt because we don't want to get a two-point Well, I mean, you know what I mean? | ||
| He's like, he's like, well done Padawan. | ||
| So wait, I'll answer your question. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, the legislative session in Florida closes in, I think at the end of May and they have to change something related to him. | ||
| We've talked about this. | ||
| So there's a technical reason that he can't announce at this point. | ||
| I suppose, I mean, I genuinely mean this. | ||
| I suppose it is possible at some degree that maybe he has not fully made the decision. | ||
| That's not my gut feeling. | ||
| My gut feeling is Well, until it's made, it's not made, right? | ||
| Like, we all assume, but until it happens... This is what we say, by the way, about... And we don't mean this, and this is one of these things, like, Media Matters is going to get this one day, but who cares? | ||
| I mean, if you don't have a Media Matters vertical of 820... Oh, I love Media Matters. | ||
| They used to lie about me, and that pissed me off. | ||
| Now they just repeat what I say, and I'm like, yeah, that's accurate. | ||
| But everything that we're saying about 2024 and the landscape of American politics... | ||
| Joe Biden's 80 years old. | ||
| Let me talk about this. | ||
| When you're 80 years old, when you're 80, I was saying this, like I remember, you know, spending time with, I had a grandfather in New York City that I was pretty close to, and spending time with him at 80, and like 80 is 80. | ||
| My grandfathers died at 81 and 84. | ||
| So point being here, you know, if Joe Biden was truly, between now and the election, by natural causes, health, just let's say, clearly incapacitated in some way, it changes everything, right? | ||
| So all this projections about the matchup and everything else, So this notion that we're supposed to set in stone right now what 2024 on our side, even on the Republican side, is supposed to look like, to me, it's just this is a process for a reason that has to play out. | ||
| I mean, what are the foreign policies? | ||
| What are the projections of the top candidates? | ||
| I do think it's funny, and we've got to be honest about this one. | ||
| It does seem like all the Republicans running so far, DeSantis obviously isn't in. | ||
| The other ones, they're running for positions in a Trump cabinet. | ||
| There's no actual interest. | ||
| We were talking about that today. | ||
| DeSantis is getting attacked more as the second place than Trump is as the first place. | ||
| Vivek is a nice guy, but he's not running for president. | ||
| It's very obvious. | ||
| Right, so there's a couple things here. | ||
| So first off, on the Vivek thing, I like him. | ||
| I like him too. | ||
| I did the first podcast with him. | ||
| But yes, the attacks are going and like they're just not... It's too obvious. | ||
| It's too obvious. | ||
| It's like, dude, like a little bit of trickery. | ||
| If your goal is to be the president, then you have to beat the favorite. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it seems like every single person who is in the race so far is all focused on attacking DeSantis. | ||
| They're all trying to be in the two spots. | ||
| So maybe DeSantis is the favorite. | ||
| That's what I think at this point. | ||
| I think actually the polls are not making any sense. | ||
| I think I'm telling you, I did a gig in Green Bay, Wisconsin, University of Wisconsin, about two weeks ago. | ||
| I polled the audience. | ||
| Now, obviously they're there to see me, so there's a certain telling, but I polled the audience. | ||
| I said, how many of you, it was about 300 people, how many of you voted for Trump last time? | ||
| Literally every single person raised their hand. | ||
| I said, how many of you would prefer DeSantis? | ||
| I would say it was about 95%. | ||
| There were maybe 10 people that didn't raise their hand. | ||
| And then we talked about why. | ||
| And basically everyone, and I did it fully as a backwards Q&A, like I really was questioning them | ||
| and letting them talk. | ||
| Everybody was basically like, it's just enough. | ||
| This is the best guy that we have now. | ||
| He's younger, there's no mean tweets. | ||
| It's functional. | ||
| Florida's functioning. | ||
| This is the best guy we can put out. | ||
| We thank Trump. | ||
| There was no anger towards Trump. | ||
| And that's why the Trump guys online, the Trump influencer types, are doing him such a disservice by being so over the top. | ||
| Some of them attack us on our show for not being pro-Trump enough. | ||
| We all voted for Trump, right? | ||
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| Yeah, of course! | ||
| And I gladly voted for him, and I like him. | ||
| I like him too! | ||
| And if he ends up as president and DeSantis is still my governor, that'll be great, but it doesn't mean he's the best choice yet. | ||
| But the thing for us that's funny is that we have people that are also complaining to us from the audience that we're too pro-Trump. | ||
| So we sit here and we're just like, okay. | ||
| The sports analogy that makes sense, and this comes from doing sports, is when you talk about Auburn or Alabama or Michigan, Ohio State. | ||
| I can do this, I can do this. | ||
| The other side always rips you because it is such a passionate situation. | ||
| And that's the reality now. | ||
| And what I just keep coming back to is the single biggest vulnerability of Joe Biden. | ||
| By far. | ||
| is his age. And whatever you can do to focus on Biden being 82 in 2024, I think that is the | ||
| killer app, the killer argument. The problem is you have to make an argument now to the base | ||
| that you can't really think of who, you know, your dreamiest dream candidate is right now. | ||
| You really, if you want to win, and the one thing I will say about Democrats that I really do have a begrudging respect for is their sheer ruthlessness at whatever works. | ||
| Like, whatever will get it done. | ||
| Fetterman, the perfect example of that. | ||
| They take a Stalin-esque approach to winning here in America, which is just like, however I'm going to stay in power is what I'm going to do. | ||
| If you're looking at it from the perspective of independents and persuadable voters, that notion of somebody who's clearly visually, you know, it also gets into what are these people going to make their final determination on? | ||
| These aren't people that are following politics generally. | ||
| If you're an independent, People might argue this, but I think you're kind of, you know, open to things and maybe you're gonna just go with, you know, last few weeks before the election, like, this guy looks good, like, I'm gonna give him a shot. | ||
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| And the optics of it, I think, are very clear with a, then it'll be, what, 82? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Versus a guy who is clearly in his prime and also has really put points on the board. | ||
| And let's remember, Joe Biden, the only points Joe Biden ever put on the board are getting re-elected for 40 years to basically be a show for the credit card companies in Delaware. | ||
| Like, this guy is a joke who stood for nothing his whole life, so there was nothing ever impressive about him. | ||
| It was just the juxtaposition with Obama. | ||
| Obama himself said that. | ||
| True, right? | ||
| And people always forget, like, why wasn't Biden the candidate in 2016 after eight years as the VP? | ||
| Because even the Democrats knew this guy was a schmuck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, fuck you. | ||
| I'm just saying. | ||
| Did you want credit for me? | ||
| Schmuck, I'm saying! | ||
| Close to a curse is what I'm saying. | ||
| Yeah, I'm saying. | ||
| I'm letting it rip a little bit here. | ||
| I said schmuck. | ||
| Look, I would put it this way. | ||
| The simplest way to do it is that, what is DeSantis' biggest... Let's assume DeSantis is not a globalist rhino, right? | ||
| So that's what the Trump people are throwing at him. | ||
| It's just nonsense. | ||
| That's just not gonna work. | ||
| It's just nonsense and it doesn't work. | ||
| So let's just put that aside for a second. | ||
| What would his biggest downside be? | ||
| This is what I asked Patrick McDavid, PBD, and Rudy there. | ||
| Rudy actually didn't have much, as much as he's a Trump guy. | ||
| He really didn't. | ||
| His thing kept being, Trump did it once and he can do it again. | ||
| So let's just put that somewhere. | ||
| Yeah, he's forgetting the second time. | ||
| PBD, his big, and he likes DeSantis a lot, his biggest one was that the book didn't do as well as he thought, but it was number one on New York Times. | ||
| Basically saying he still has a PR issue or something, which I don't buy. | ||
| But the point is, what policy... What's the weakness? | ||
| So, I think the weakness is purely aesthetic and subjective versus policy. | ||
| I don't think it's policy-based. | ||
| I think it's just not possible to hit him on policy. | ||
| I think the way you could go after him is that he's Scott Walker. | ||
| Meaning, great at that... I'm not, by the way, I'm not saying I agree with this, but I'm saying the way you could sort of attack DeSantis and I think not have it be... When they say he's not good on COVID, I mean, the two of us, you know, you were living in the free state of Tennessee, right? | ||
| The two of us are sitting here going, We literally moved here. | ||
| We uprooted our lives because he was so good on COVID, because we saw what was happening here. | ||
| So that's just, it's actually insulting. | ||
| It's insulting the intelligence of Trump voters when he says DeSantis was bad on COVID, because that's just crazy talk. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But Scott Walker was a really solid governor, popular at the time, obviously purple state, difficult, good with the teachers union stuff, dealing with this. | ||
| And then he ran for president and just for whatever reason on the national stage it just sort of went like, just sort of collapsed of its own weight and didn't have that national level sizzle. | ||
| Do I think that's likely to happen with DeSantis? | ||
| No. | ||
| But do I think it's fair to say that maybe he's not yet ready for that big stage and the theatrics of it and the retail politics and everything else? | ||
| Fine. | ||
| On the policy ground, I have no answer by the way. | ||
| In some way that actually makes me more for him. | ||
| The idea that maybe he isn't the most perfected, and I actually don't take this argument, but like, to just kind of give the devil his due, that he maybe isn't, Trump is better on TV? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, do I think if it was now Trump and DeSantis on the debate stage at the end, they'd get rid of everybody else. | ||
| Is Trump a better debater? | ||
| Will Trump have more zingers? | ||
| I mean, I was at the debate that DeSantis did with Charlie Crist. | ||
| He's not the best debater. | ||
| There was a moment, actually, where Charlie Crist says to him, you won't even commit To not running for president, will you, DeSantis? | ||
| And DeSantis won't answer. | ||
| Now, the reason he wouldn't answer was because they had agreed in writing beforehand, you will not question the other candidate. | ||
| So DeSantis was trying to be honest. | ||
| He was trying to abide by the rules that they set. | ||
| Now, Trump would have never abided by the rules, right? | ||
| And Trump would have turned back at him and had a great singer and Charlie Criss was horrible at every level. | ||
| But the point is, That may not be his strength. | ||
| And if at the end, if we're just looking for a television star, I know that's not what you're asking for, but at the end, if that's really just what we want, then we will get Trump again as the nominee, but he will not be president. | ||
| My fear, if I were assessing DeSantis, would be a couple of things. | ||
| One, he can be too scripted. | ||
| And that kind of ties in with your analysis. | ||
| And he doesn't seem normal. | ||
| And if I were... What do you mean by that? | ||
| I mean, like, he is very good at getting his points and delivering them, but he doesn't seem really comfortable. | ||
| He's not a guy at the bar, average Joe. | ||
| I don't mind that. | ||
| I'm not actually saying you're wrong. | ||
| I don't mind it. | ||
| I'm just saying, what is Trump best at? | ||
| I think Trump gets almost no credit for being able... He's a billionaire. | ||
| He can walk into a McDonald's in middle-of-nowhere America And be totally normal, totally chill, and connect with people. | ||
| I kept saying for years, I kept saying, how is it that this orange man billionaire with this crazy hair is more authentic than every single Democrat? | ||
| And the truth is, think about it, who's more authentic? | ||
| Donald Trump or Elizabeth Warren? | ||
| Who's more authentic? | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| Donald Trump or Joe Biden or Pete Buttigieg. | ||
| He's more authentic because he's more authentic. | ||
| He's incredibly comfortable in his own skin and I think that translates and so I also think that if I were like sketching out the Trump, so let me tell you also the DeSantis attack. | ||
| The DeSantis attack should be you lost to Joe Biden and you will lose to him again and Biden is the worst president in any of our lives. | ||
| Like, that is the appeal, right? | ||
| He may turn off some Trump voters with that, because there are Trump voters that feel very... Yeah, I actually think it should be something else. | ||
| I think it should be, look what I set out to do in Florida, look what I've done, look at the 1,200 people that move here a day, a million in three years, nobody's leaving, highest ever... You have a guest house, by the way, because real estate here, very expensive in Florida, Ruben. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I got a gym that you could maybe set up. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I think it's going to get nasty, and that pudding ad that we were talking about when we started, is so ridiculous that I think that both of these guys are going to get rolling around down in the muck. | ||
| And my biggest... I don't know that DeSantis will do it. | ||
| I don't think he'll do it either. | ||
| And I'll tell you this. | ||
| You can't beat Trump that way. | ||
| I think, yeah, he's not going to do it because that's playing Trump's game. | ||
| And he shouldn't do it. | ||
| But I'll also say I think that when they go dirty on DeSantis, and there's been some dirty stuff. | ||
| I don't mean that. | ||
| The globalist Rhino stuff is laughable. | ||
| The Gruber stuff is pretty aggressive. | ||
| That's dirty. | ||
| That has no place. | ||
| That's why I hit Trump. | ||
| I'm not hitting Trump. | ||
| I keep saying Trump. | ||
| Make the case for Trump. | ||
| I think Trump should be above DeSantis and say this is what I'm talking about on our show. | ||
| I'm not even going to feud with any other Republican now. | ||
| Especially, he had an opportunity after he got indicted to just come out and say, it's me versus Biden. | ||
| I'm not going to say a single negative word against anybody else that I'm running against. | ||
| But who did he spend the week attacking? | ||
| I know. | ||
| So who's the real, that's what I'm telling you. | ||
| I think the polls, something's wrong with the polls. | ||
| There's only one guy being attacked right now by MSNBC and by Trump and it's dissent. | ||
| Can I point something out? | ||
| Nobody's attacking Trump. | ||
| This is the only time I can think of where Trump and Trump people all of a sudden entirely believe polls. | ||
| Which is interesting, isn't it? | ||
| Oh, that's interesting. | ||
| The polls, always, where the polls lie. | ||
| Whenever the polls are negative, the polls lie. | ||
| Right now, vis-a-vis DeSantis, we're told, guys, it's all over before it even started. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Because it's just based on polls against a candidate who's not even a candidate yet. | ||
| Not officially announced, and, you know. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Let me ask you guys something else on this, and then they are giving us the signal, and then you guys have to have your fancy dinner. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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I was going to say, can we mooch off your YouTube following, though, and tell people we have a Clay and Buck YouTube for our radio show? | |
| Are you guys on the computer? | ||
| We're on the interwebs, and we would like the smart Dave Rubin people to subscribe to ours over there. | ||
| God, it's like my first day on TV. | ||
| Subscribe to Clay Travis and Buck Sexton's show on YouTube, please. | ||
| We do fun things over there. | ||
| And we'll have Dave back on now too, so yay. | ||
| Does he get paid more to do that? | ||
| He's doing a great job. | ||
| Usually, I have to be shameless in promotion. | ||
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I love it. | |
| I think he's learned some of the shamelessness. | ||
| Clay is a world-class promoter, and I love that we'll even be like, oh man, this story out of Salt Lake City. | ||
| Salt Lake City, another one of the 15 markets where we are number one in the country. | ||
| We just want to say thank you to everybody in Salt Lake City for making us number one of all radio shows in the nation. | ||
| And then goes right into the story. | ||
| Dude, he does it. | ||
| He's like the Terminator. | ||
| It's like programmed into his brain. | ||
| You know this, when you run your own media business, You have to be so shameless to make people aware that you exist. | ||
| You gotta do what you gotta do! | ||
| Because otherwise nobody will know. | ||
| And so now we have a big, you know, we're in 500 stations or whatever, and I can't turn off the, hey, let me promote. | ||
| We have a PR guy now at Outkick. | ||
| How do you feel about that? | ||
| I'm totally blown away by the fact that we have a guy whose full-time job is to try to get attention | ||
| Because when you're starting literally at zero, you've got to do everything you can to make people aware that you | ||
| exist So he's picked up on like the shamelessness that require I | ||
| gotta just go. How do you feel about that? | ||
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I mean spiritually, you know as long as we add to those station | |
| We have I'm good with it man Whatever we gotta do to get it done. | ||
| I was just reminded of something, that when Clay has a couple drinks, he does the slow blink. | ||
| You do the slow blink. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| He starts to slow down a little bit? | ||
| Yeah, I do the slow blink too, but I can tell you'll be able to drive, because you're... Yeah, I'm ready. | ||
| I'm actually going to get a haircut, and I'm thinking about having him do a straight shave right now. | ||
| Oh, wow! | ||
| This could be the last media appearance with a beard. | ||
| You know why I love Donald Trump? | ||
| Every time I see him, he goes, Buck Sexton, best hair in television. | ||
| I'm like, I'm actually in radio, but I'll take it. | ||
| I'll take it, you know? | ||
| I love the guy. | ||
| Now, you guys are going to have dinner with the big boss man over there, and then the whole Florida crew is having dinner. | ||
| Florida squad's getting a drink. | ||
| And then there are going to be pictures taken, and then the crazy people of the internet are going to take these pictures, and they're going to say that we're coordinating things. | ||
| We're working against certain people, working for people, but we're just having a drink. | ||
| We actually are just hanging out, but we should put hashtag Illuminati, hashtag Bilderberg, hashtag DeSantis Secret Squad. | ||
| Well, again, this is the world that exists now, because 2022, everybody's on the same team. | ||
| Didn't go the way we wanted, right? | ||
| Let's be fair. | ||
| For most races, they were close. | ||
| 2023 is the Alabama, Auburn, Michigan, Ohio State, you know, Yankees, Red Sox. | ||
| And then 2024, everybody will come back together and sing Kumbaya, unless Trump decides to run as an independent. | ||
| Then everything would fall apart. | ||
| But look, I mean, I think it's going to get really nasty throughout much of 2023. | ||
| And I don't think there's anything wrong, but you guys are like, I don't think you should rule out. | ||
| I don't think there's anything wrong with Things getting nasty because I think ultimately what it does is Biden's not running against anybody, right? | ||
| He's already an awful candidate. | ||
| If they allow him to be on the stage with whoever emerges from the Republican primary... Well, I hate to tell you, he could drop dead or they could just kick him out. | ||
| I mean, they're doing something with Gavin, clearly. | ||
| He's waiting in the wings, I think, for emergency. | ||
| I don't even know technically how you do it, but it is clear that that thing is in motion where if Biden goes down or literally cannot speak or whatever it is, they're going to figure out a way for him to be gathered in Guatemala. | ||
| I think that they will, especially if Trump is a nominee, I think that they will say that they can't platform Trump and that's the way they'll avoid Biden having to debate him. | ||
| Because he's so toxic, he's such a threat. | ||
| And the other question that I have that's out there floating around is, to what extent, as this Biden ridiculousness continues to roll, To what extent might they, behind the scenes, start spending money to help Trump and attack DeSantis? | ||
| Like they did in 22. | ||
| They claim that Trump is this existential threat, but then everybody who supported Trump, they helped to boost him up by spending money. | ||
| Who does MSNBC want? | ||
| The guy that will get them views that cannot win, or the guy that will ignore them and win? | ||
| Right? | ||
| And that's DeSantis. | ||
| That really is what this whole thing boils down to. | ||
| Otherwise they all said for four years, how many people do you know that said, Trump, | ||
| you know, it's like I like the policies and things are working, but I don't like the mean | ||
| tweets and the attitude. | ||
| Congratulations, you got DeSantis. | ||
| I think he's 45 years old or 46 years old, three young kids, a good father, a good... | ||
| He's everything the conservative movement says and has said for the 41 years of my life, | ||
| want. | ||
| That is where we are. | ||
| Just putting that out there. | ||
| I've enjoyed drinking tequila with you, Fine Film. | ||
| Cheers. | ||
| This is actually pretty good, by the way. | ||
| This isn't some backdoor swill we got here. | ||
| So I had never seen this bottle before, and I just went to the store on the way here. | ||
| This was, who was it? | ||
| Kevin Hart. | ||
| This is Kevin Hart's tequila. | ||
| Oh, that's cool. | ||
| Congrats to Mr. Hart. | ||
| I wish he had been able to host the Oscars, because he made a joke, you know, 15 years ago. | ||
| People were upset about that. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| He should be banned from human society. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Guys, the evening's going to continue, but we'll see you guys later. | ||
| I'm actually going to drink then. | ||
| Goodbye to you fine people. | ||
| And I'm sorry, now what's the show and what are your names again? | ||
| Clay Travis Buck, Sexton Show. | ||
| We're on YouTube as well. | ||
| We're on Rumble. | ||
| Basically, if the platform exists, you should be able to find us somewhere in that vicinity. | ||
| And they'll be somewhere in Miami Beach this evening. | ||
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That's right. | |
| This shirt's not going to be able to hide. |
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