Laurence Fox details his "cancellation" after Question Time, where Equity demanded his denunciation for stating whiteness is immutable. He counters with legal action against union statements while facing online death threats and street gratitude. As a "fierce liberal," he founded the Reclaim Party to combat the "woke agenda," criticizing Mayor Sadiq Khan's racial demonization and Antifa's social media-driven protests. Fox defends the monarchy against Meghan Markle, blames critical race theory for educational fear, and asserts that this pervasive "new woke religion" holds more power than the far-right, urging supporters to spread awareness rather than donate money. [Automatically generated summary]
For my American audience that maybe doesn't know who you are, can you give me the quick recap of Lawrence Fox before we talk about all the reasons that you got yourself into trouble and how you got into politics and all that?
Well, I was an actor and actually some of your American friends will know me because I got off the plane at JFK once and a guy was helping me with my bags.
It's about a year ago now, and we're gonna play a clip in just a second, but can you just sort of set up what Question Time is and how you even got involved in it as an actor, and a little bit of the behind-the-scenes portion?
Well, Twitter is pointless and a sewer of humanity, which is fine, but also it does affect people in real life.
The mayor of London, the sitting mayor of London at the moment, Sadiq Khan, he takes virtue-signalling and identitarianism to a whole new level of division.
He called me in the newspaper when they were asked for a comment about me, he called me a far-right, extreme far-right guy.
And I'm like, okay, that's pretty uncool, 'cause I've got two kids.
I can walk around to the shop.
If someone who's only ever read that little bit of newspaper, which is the capital city newspaper,
and someone decides they wanna put a brick or a knife into me, then this whole sort
of freedom of speech thing, 'cause I'd actually defend his right to call me an extreme far right,
whatever he wants to call me.
He's a bit of a wanker to be fair, so I don't care.
You say a very moderate thing in line with British values, defending free speech, which is really what you were doing on the on the panel the whole time.
Next thing you know, the mayor's calling you far right.
There's a gajillion hit pieces.
You've got the union going after you, the Twitter mob, like all of that stuff.
And then you sort of, I think once you got over it, you kind of embraced it because your life in the last year, I mean, you started a political party, you're running for mayor, you kind of ran right into the fire.
I was speaking, we were laughing about it on the phone.
You know, it's really difficult.
It's like, how do you, if you're, he's a truly compassionate, gentle guy.
He doesn't want major conflicts in life.
I don't mind being punched in the face for stuff I believe in, but I think he was, he's just trying to do the right thing.
And actually I, you know, I think you can, people that do give in, They need more love because, you know, it's just people hanging around the guillotine, right?
I went to the protest, so I was like, I need to know what these guys are upset about.
And I couldn't work it out.
They were just screaming.
It was one thing to the next, you know, it was meant to be about this, this dreadful crime, this murder of this woman, but it became about something else.
So like we did, um, I mean, after this, we did, I had a feeling that there was a large constituency of people that just weren't being allowed to express themselves.
So there's this huge freedom of speech hole.
So I thought, that needs mending, because we have to have a proper debate about everything, including lockdowns, actually, weirdly, because they haven't been talked about.
They've just been, you must accept that lockdowns are a good thing, and there's no debate allowed.
So yeah, I got approached by a very rich There's this man who said, "What do you want to do?
"'Cause you will not lie down.
"You keep standing up like some stupid boxer "who doesn't know when the battle is finished."
And I said, "Well, I should do something media."
And I actually mentioned you, because you're actually responsible for some of this,
I'm defending an idea, so it's not really about me anyway.
You should be able to protect yourself from attack.
If you believe in freedom of speech, you believe in everybody's freedom to speak.
So that's what I stand for.
I stand for the biggest and broadest debate to be had possible.
And then what I've done sort of practically is I've commissioned, which is actually
going to be quite big news in England soon, which is going to shock them.
I've commissioned a full and huge legal review of all of the legal impingements on freedom of speech.
Because you've got your Equality Act going through, and what's it called, HR1, or whatever's
going through in America.
Now, we had this shit.
They did this in like 2010 in the UK.
We have our own Equality Act, where people have protected characteristics,
and they're not equal under the law.
So all of this stuff is really dangerous legislation.
And I commissioned a full review and some very eminent top, top, top people who have put together a suggestion for the British people and for the Parliament about how we can Yeah, it seems to be.
Are you worried that, in essence, you'll sort of, like, just at a, like, practical level, that you'll sort of split the conservatives because some conservatives will go with you, the rest will stay with the conservatives, and then ultimately you just help Labour and the Labour Party has, as you sort of said before, kind of gone off the rails?
I think the Conservative candidate in London is not, he's such a sweet guy as well, which I find so difficult because he's a really lovely guy, but he's not, for some reason he's not creating the right waves.
So, no, I think what I want and what would be best would be for me and Sadiq, our Mayor, Who likes to race bait on a daily basis to debate and talk about our capital city and, you know, what's his vision for it?
Because, you know, he's got this, it's called the Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm.
All right, so you guys are seeing some violence in London, sort of newish violence.
There's the lockdowns.
We were mentioning right before we started recording that we have a couple of friends in common, Douglas Murray and Peter Lloyd and a few other people.
Peter basically has fled London, and everyone that I talk to that's in London is really not happy about what's going on there.
What besides the free speech stuff has Sadiq Khan done wrong?
Well, what has he done right, really, is the way he upstarts.
He's terrible.
We've got a surging knife crime problem in London, and then that's made almost unsolvable because of the way that he stokes racial tensions between people.
So, you know, he calls you a racist.
If you try and deal with knife crime, he would call you a racist.
He's obviously trying to tear down all of our shared history.
What did he say the other day?
He said something like, there's just no reason why there should be 65% of these people should be white men working in this particular field.
And you're like, hang on a minute, dude.
Just slow down.
This country is 83% or 85% white.
Of course, it's going to be more white people.
It's this very specific demonization of white people.
Unfortunately, he has a huge constituency of white people who also hate themselves as well, you know, the sort of white urban liberals.
And it's really sad because most of the working class in the United Kingdom would usually vote Labour.
You know, they would.
But Labour don't represent Labour.
They don't represent Labourers and they don't represent actually the important things, which are class issues in this country.
You know, Britain is constantly and frequently, I think just after New Zealand, and I can't remember where else, we are the most tolerant country on earth, you know, in terms of like tolerance of intermarriage and all this sort of stuff.
So I don't know why at the centre of the Altar of Woke, our mayor is trying to turn around and go, you know what, guys, you're all racists.
Yeah, I mean, when you go to what the BBC described as a largely peaceful protest of the Black Lives Matter last summer, there were people walking around going, hands up, don't shoot.
We've imported this straight from America, which is a great honor to America because, you know, we love American trends and all of that stuff, but this is one American trend I wish it stayed behind.
Well, there's an interesting thing that's developed now.
There's a constituency in the north of Britain called the Red Wall, which was always held by the Labour Party, and it totally fell down the friction and went to the Conservatives.
They lent their votes to the Conservatives.
Some constituencies hadn't voted Conservative for 100 years.
And today, one of the Labour, weirdly, why would it be the Labour guy who's being done for sexual harassment and had to resign immediately?
So there's now going to be a by-election and it'll be very, very interesting to see what happens up there.
But ultimately, I think if you can open up the dialogue and you can say, listen, There's 70 million people in this country.
We're not all racists.
We're not.
And I will stand up and say we're not.
These guys have been doing this for decades, haven't they?
Marching through our universities.
Even my kids, right?
My youngest son said to me, I'm sorry this is racist, dad, but mum is a better cook than you.
And I'm like, what?
Say what now?
So they're filling it in their heads, like constantly.
When Trump got ill, um, well, he didn't really get ill.
Did he really get COVID?
But when they announced it in the school assembly, you know, and then everyone started cheering and it's like, my little son was like, I didn't want to cheer.
I don't think she will succeed because I think there's a huge amount of goodwill there.
Like if you look at the photos of that wedding, particularly where there, you know, there's so much goodwill.
I mean, you know, we have princes and princesses in this country, right?
You're not gonna hate your prince and princess.
So there was so much goodwill, but what we cannot abide Is what she's done, which she's trying to make her she's a being political, which, you know, you shouldn't be doing as a royal.
I think she's just taking control of a very compassionate guy.
And she's, she's realized she's not going to be the center of attention.
So she's gone, right.
Well, I don't want to be in the royal family anymore.
And then, you know, in true kind of vengeful narcissist style, she's gone, um, right.
I'm going to take them down.
So she's accused all of them of being racist by not being particular about what it is.
And I know how powerful that insult is, because I get called racist all the time.
And it really affects you, especially if you've got a heart.
You're like, ow!
I was not expecting to be called that.
So I think what will happen is the royal family will just find a very cool, very calm way of going, bye now!
Because you guys are well known for your tabloid media.
I've had the Guardian call me racist and far right and all of that stuff.
So even though we've obviously exported a lot of the bad ideas, one of the things that I think that you guys have exported is some of like the tabloid journalism kind of stuff.
Like it's now everywhere here.
It's like basically there's no difference between the National Enquirer and the New York Times at this point.
It's been particularly sad over lockdown, because the government briefed the and they're now finding redacted statements within the scientific advisory group that have been saying we need to get the people frightened and stuff like this.
So the government have briefed the media and the media have loved it.
They've then set the whole population on fire and fear.
And now everyone is terrified.
And they can't move.
So I think the media are You know, but it's free speech, right?
I'm like, say what you want, man.
But just, can we just have more of the whole picture instead of just this very focused picture on what we want to attack and what is, you know, relevant to your kind of selling newspapers narrative.
It's been bad, but even Piers Morgan got eaten by the crocodile.
He was, I was quite friendly with Piers, and then we fell out over COVID.
So I've been saying that he's, now that he's realized, because he jumps on bandwagons, as you know, in America, you know, when Shapiro, when Shapiro just ate him for breakfast over the assault rifle stuff.
So he's doing the same thing.
He's just reinventing himself.
We've got a new news channel opening up in the UK called GB News, which is run by Andrew Neil, who's probably one of the best journalists we have in the country.
And hopefully that will bring a bit more balance into it.
But they're already trying to get that cancelled as well.
The newspapers that have not given in to the woke agenda, but some of them have, most of them have, but the Telegraph newspaper hasn't really given in.
The Times did this horrible evisceration of Jordan Peterson the other day, and I was just like, fuck you, you know, fuck you.
I was so, and that was meant to be a sort of centrist, moderate paper.
And they're just like, stab, stab, stab.
So the Telegraph, the Express, which if you'd said the Express 10 years ago
or 15 years ago in the UK, they would have gone, "Nazi."
Um, the, yeah, so the far right in England, um, it does exist, but I mean, there's probably a, it's not very many of them, you know, it's not, and they don't really have any power.
No one listens to them, but also they're having the best time ever because the thing is, everyone's a racist.
They're just hiding in plain sight.
No, I think, I think the thing is, We're in this sort of new woke religion that we've found ourselves in, and we're looking for heaven.
Heaven is a world of no racism, which everyone would like a world of no racism, but unfortunately, human beings are flawed, fallen, and not perfect.
I voted to remain because I was just like, why change it?
It was sort of my vibe.
But now that I've seen how duplicitous and evil the European Union have been, certainly over the vaccine stuff and over Northern Ireland, Brexiteers are now probably just above deplorable status.
So you wouldn't spit at them in the street, but you would try and have them cancelled from work.
Yeah, Brexit was a very big central cultural issue for our country.
So, you know, there's still people who maraud around online.
Actually, most of the bullies have a European flag in their Twitter bio, and it says FBPE, follow back pro-Europe.
And I think Brexit has divided the country, but I imagine The 52% that voted Brexit are probably now, if you did that vote again, I think you'd find it probably be more 60-40.
But he's, the thing is he's, he's a trained classicist.
So if you've got a national health service here going, we're going to rename breastfeeding, chest feeding, You're like, come on dude, you're a classical linguist, you should care about language, but he's just like... So he's all about dolphins and wind turbines, which is great for when it's windy.
That seems to be the new thing, that the Zoomers, like that generation, the upper teens right now, that they're gonna reject this stuff with a boldness that somehow, well, certainly the baby boomers failed on, and we're roughly the same age that our Gen Z people failed on, but that they won't, hopefully.
It's almost like the French Revolution, but the wind up, the thing that I find so terrifying about it is you're constantly goading, because obviously we get America about two months later.
So you've now gone from white privilege to white supremacy.
And we're now getting the white supremacy thing.
And you're saying this to like, one of the poorest constituencies in the country.
So white working class boys in England, chances of them going to university are very, very low.
So you're turning around to a bunch of poor white kids and saying, Check your privilege.
And then you've also got a whole load of communities from Asia all the way across from India to China who don't get included in Black Lives Matter.
So it's like, it's so divisive and it's so unpleasant.
So I think it should be stood up against.
I mean, it's just unfair that I'm kind of blonde and blue-eyed because it's just exactly the wrong Or it's exactly the right one, because it's just enough of this.
You should invite him on the show because I think that he's so keen on being right on and you know you're super you know would he know?
I'd be really interested in seeing he doesn't really do interviews like even the other day when someone was trying to ask him that because he's closed off all the neighborhoods in London as well right so he's gone if it's a not an essential journey you won't make it because I will just close off all the neighborhoods so these people were trying to talk to him about it go but why do you get to choose if it's an essential journey?
And he just, he has like six, he's like a mafia boss.
Got six security guards, fleet of Range Rovers, all on the taxpayer dollar.