March 28, 2021 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| They said that I should be denounced and I should never be hired again. | ||
| So that was pretty tricky. | ||
| So I then hired a lawyer straight away and I said, you've got to withdraw that statement and all that sort of stuff and pay my costs, which they did. | ||
| That was good. | ||
| But still, the thing about these great attacks that people launch on you is once they've launched the attack on you, it sticks. | ||
| As long as they throw enough shit, some of it will stick. | ||
| So they, you know, you sort of walk around. | ||
| But weirdly, when I walk around the streets, people come up to me and go, thank God for you. | ||
| When I walk around on Twitter, people come up to me and go, I hope you and your family die soon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Standard game. | ||
| I'm Dave Rubin and joining me today is a British actor and activist. | ||
| He's also the founder of the Reclaim Party and hopefully the next mayor of London, Lawrence Fox. | ||
| Welcome to the Rubin Report. | ||
| Hi, Dave, how you doing? | ||
| I'm doing just fine, sir. | ||
| I am glad to talk to you across the pond. | ||
| For my American audience that maybe doesn't know who you are, can you give me the quick recap of Lawrence Fox before we talk about all the reasons that you got yourself into trouble and how you got into politics and all that? | ||
| Well, I was an actor and actually some of your American friends will know me because I got off the plane at JFK once and a guy was helping me with my bags. | ||
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He said, I love you in the Inspector Lewis show. | |
| So that was quite sweet. | ||
| I was an actor for many years. | ||
| And then, yeah, like you say, I got into trouble. | ||
| I got cancelled. | ||
| All right, so let's talk about your cancellation. | ||
| You were on a British show called Question Time. | ||
| It's about a year ago now, and we're gonna play a clip in just a second, but can you just sort of set up what Question Time is and how you even got involved in it as an actor, and a little bit of the behind-the-scenes portion? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, so Question Time is a sort of topical panel show, political panel show in the UK. | ||
| It's been around for donkey's years. | ||
| And it's usually quite very left-leaning, you know, and sort of very establishment. | ||
| But by some accident, they invited a slightly more centrist panel on. | ||
| And I was promoting, because I'm a musician as well, so I was promoting an album. | ||
| And someone said to me, do you want to go on Question Time? | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, sure. | ||
| You know, because it's a sort of family tradition in the UK. | ||
| People just shout at the TV and go, it's rubbish. | ||
| No, you're wrong. | ||
| And I thought, I'll get to do that on live TV. | ||
| And then, yeah, this woman started asking questions of me, asking what my opinion was about something. | ||
| And I said what my opinion was. | ||
| She disagreed and said I wasn't allowed an opinion because I was white. | ||
| So I was like, oh, hang on, that's racist. | ||
| So I said, don't be racist. | ||
| And then, boom. | ||
| So let's, we're going to just throw to that one 30 second clip right now. | ||
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Let's be really clear about what this is. | |
| Let's call it by its name. | ||
| It's racism. | ||
| We're the most tolerant, lovely country in Europe. | ||
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What worries me about your comment is you are a white, privileged male who has no experience with race. | |
| I can't help what I am. | ||
| I was born like this. | ||
| It's an immutable characteristic. | ||
| So to call me a white, privileged male is to be racist. | ||
| You're being racist. | ||
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You cannot dismiss... | |
| So, boy, you claimed that you're entitled to opinion, even though you're white. | ||
| How radical of you. | ||
| It's awful, isn't it? | ||
| I mean, we should have learned by now that you're not allowed an opinion, immutable characteristics ahead of everything else. | ||
| But it was weird. | ||
| I didn't know it was such an enormous landmine. | ||
| in the UK, so it was crazy. | ||
| The next day I got a bit of support and then it just went mad. | ||
| Left, Twitter went for me. | ||
| Yeah, so can you talk about that experience? | ||
| 'Cause you know, obviously we're in the midst of this just insane cancel culture thing | ||
| and on any given day we're taking out Pepe Le Pew or Mr. Potato Head or Aunt Jemima | ||
| or sometimes real people too. | ||
| But can you just talk about what it feels like to be the target of that? | ||
| Because that's when you came on my radar. | ||
| Suddenly, it was basically like, oh, here's a guy telling the truth, and then just to watch the mob descend on you. | ||
| I was okay until the Actors' Union, Equity, the Actors' Union. | ||
| You know how non-left-wing show business is, right? | ||
| Oh, yes, yes, yes. | ||
| They're very fair. | ||
| So they said that I should be denounced and I should never be hired again. | ||
| So that was pretty tricky. | ||
| So I then hired a lawyer straight away and I said, you've got to withdraw that statement and all that sort of stuff and pay my costs, which they did. | ||
| That was good. | ||
| But still, the thing about these great attacks that people launch on you is once they've launched the attack on you, it sticks. | ||
| As long as they throw enough shit, some of it will stick. | ||
| You know, you sort of walk around. | ||
| But weirdly, when I walk around the streets, people come up to me and go, thank God for you. | ||
| But when I walk around on Twitter, people come up to me and go, I hope you and your family die soon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Standard game. | ||
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Right. | |
| So what would you say to the people who would say, oh, but this is just some online thing then. | ||
| It's just the Twitter mob and you should get over just people being mean on Twitter. | ||
| You don't have to be on Twitter. | ||
| Well, Twitter is pointless and a sewer of humanity, which is fine, but also it does affect people in real life. | ||
| The mayor of London, the sitting mayor of London at the moment, Sadiq Khan, he takes virtue-signalling and identitarianism to a whole new level of division. | ||
| He called me in the newspaper when they were asked for a comment about me, he called me a far-right, extreme far-right guy. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, that's pretty uncool, 'cause I've got two kids. | ||
| I can walk around to the shop. | ||
| If someone who's only ever read that little bit of newspaper, which is the capital city newspaper, | ||
| and someone decides they wanna put a brick or a knife into me, then this whole sort | ||
| of freedom of speech thing, 'cause I'd actually defend his right to call me an extreme far right, | ||
| whatever he wants to call me. | ||
| He's a bit of a wanker to be fair, so I don't care. | ||
| We'll get to him in just a moment. | ||
| You know when they say that they go freedom of speech and then freedom of consequences of the freedom of speech? | ||
| I'm like, if my kids get attacked or if I get attacked, who's the consequences on? | ||
| Are they on you? | ||
| And also, can you say one simple thing that I've ever said, which is even vaguely right wing? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, OK, so basically the usual story unfolds. | ||
| You say a very moderate thing in line with British values, defending free speech, which is really what you were doing on the on the panel the whole time. | ||
| Next thing you know, the mayor's calling you far right. | ||
| There's a gajillion hit pieces. | ||
| You've got the union going after you, the Twitter mob, like all of that stuff. | ||
| And then you sort of, I think once you got over it, you kind of embraced it because your life in the last year, I mean, you started a political party, you're running for mayor, you kind of ran right into the fire. | ||
| You can't do anything else. | ||
| There's no option. | ||
| I'm good friends with Winston Marshall as well. | ||
| I've been watching from Mumford's and watching while he's trying to bow to the woke mob. | ||
| He's actually trying to do the right thing, really. | ||
| But I'm just sat there going, don't do it, buddy. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| To be clear, he's the guitarist. | ||
| Guitarist, right? | ||
| For Mumford & Sons? | ||
| Banjo player. | ||
| Banjo player for Mumford & Sons. | ||
| He's the one who dared to recommend Andy Ngo's scary book about Antifa. | ||
| I'm mates with both of them. | ||
| I'm on the phone to both of them, and Andy's in the UK at the moment, because I want Andy to come and work for me for the party. | ||
| I really would like that. | ||
| So I'm mates with both of them. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| And they love each other. | ||
| And then this sort of public Yeah. | ||
| Has he heard any of your feelings about this? | ||
| Like, that you just can't apologize? | ||
| That this is gonna get you nowhere? | ||
| I mean, he's not even in the band anymore, right? | ||
| At least temporarily. | ||
| I was speaking, we were laughing about it on the phone. | ||
| You know, it's really difficult. | ||
| It's like, how do you, if you're, he's a truly compassionate, gentle guy. | ||
| He doesn't want major conflicts in life. | ||
| I don't mind being punched in the face for stuff I believe in, but I think he was, he's just trying to do the right thing. | ||
| And actually I, you know, I think you can, people that do give in, They need more love because, you know, it's just people hanging around the guillotine, right? | ||
| Going, more, more beheadings. | ||
| You know, that's what they're like. | ||
| It gives me the shivers. | ||
| I like standing up to them. | ||
| They need it. | ||
| Well, they do need it. | ||
| So, all right. | ||
| So, assuming that you're not far right, I'm willing to go on this adventure with you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because in your Twitter bio, you describe yourself as a fierce liberal. | ||
| What does liberal mean to you at this point? | ||
| Because I know there's a slightly different British version. | ||
| You know my feelings on classical liberalism. | ||
| Do you think the word liberal can be saved? | ||
| Does it even make sense in the sort of modern context anymore? | ||
| I think, yeah, you do have a slight difficulty with it in America, don't you? | ||
| I've got some American friend bought me a mug saying, liberal cheers, still warm, but that's leftists to us here. | ||
| My liberalism would now probably, with the Overton window where it is, It's just about being free to make your own decisions in life. | ||
| right wing. I want people to get on with their own lives, make their own decisions about what they do | ||
| and keep as much of their money as possible and not pay it to an enormous state. So, | ||
| it's just about being free to make your own decisions in life. That's where my liberalism | ||
| comes from. And yeah, I think we can save it because ultimately it's going to be, | ||
| weirdly, it's going to be the left of center liberals that save the situation. | ||
| Because until they start standing up, there's no point in people like me going, guys, there's a big problem here with freedom of speech. | ||
| We're going to have a big fight if we're not careful. | ||
| We need people from the left to come in and go, This isn't cool. | ||
| And it's starting to happen, isn't it? | ||
| they're eating their own as well. | ||
| Yeah, what signs are you seeing? | ||
| Like I've just sort of come around to that, the sane liberals just need, | ||
| they don't have to change their beliefs at all. | ||
| I mean, I wrote a whole book defending liberalism, but they have to ally with the moderates on the right, | ||
| which I think is most of America at this point. | ||
| Just freedom-loving people and we can debate about tax rates and all that kind of stuff. | ||
| Do you see some signs that the decent liberals are waking up and fighting some of the woke stuff? | ||
| Because there's not much here. | ||
| There's just not much. | ||
| It's a very difficult subject for politicians, certainly, to get involved in. | ||
| We've got a conservative party here, which is, I mean, they're not even vaguely conservative. | ||
| They're almost a socialist party on their own. | ||
| And then the opposition party is even more left-wing than that. | ||
| So, we're in difficult times, actually, because it's an attack on everything. | ||
| It's not an attack on You know, it's an attack on values, love of family, love of country. | ||
| It's an attack on all the things that were okay to be, you know, to love. | ||
| And we had this horrible murder a few days ago in London of this girl. | ||
| And then there was a vigil held for her. | ||
| And the police got too involved, really, because we've basically turned into a police state here. | ||
| And within minutes, it turned into a leftist demonstration. | ||
| So we're now getting We're getting what you have in Portland, starting to the rumblings of, in London, screaming neurotic lunatics going on. | ||
| Like, that one minute they'll go, whose streets are streets? | ||
| And then they'll be on to fuck the police, kill the police. | ||
| They just, they don't know what they're screaming about, but they're angry. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are they organized in any way? | ||
| I mean, this is the big debate in America. | ||
| Is Antifa just an idea? | ||
| Like, is Andy tracking this? | ||
| Andy Ngo, is that why he's there right now? | ||
| Yeah, Andy was there the other day. | ||
| Yeah, he was tracking it. | ||
| But I don't think they're that organized. | ||
| I think social media is helpful, isn't it? | ||
| For crazy people with crazy views to get together. | ||
| But what are they even protesting? | ||
| I mean, from a British perspective, what are they protesting? | ||
| Or they just don't know? | ||
| I went to the protest, so I was like, I need to know what these guys are upset about. | ||
| And I couldn't work it out. | ||
| They were just screaming. | ||
| It was one thing to the next, you know, it was meant to be about this, this dreadful crime, this murder of this woman, but it became about something else. | ||
| It was like, let's kill the police. | ||
| And it was ACAB, all cops are bastards. | ||
| And it's like, well, are they? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How do you think the lockdowns fit into this? | ||
| Everyone knew what was going on. | ||
| They were just marching up and down the street, and then they went and lay down | ||
| in Trafalgar Square for a while. | ||
| I think basically, either they weren't paying attention at school, or they're not interested in history. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How do you think the lockdowns fit into this? | ||
| Because you guys are still in pretty severe lockdowns right now. | ||
| We are in severe lockdown. | ||
| No one's paying any attention to it though. | ||
| It's so British. | ||
| Whenever they poll the British people, they're like, are you all in lockdown? | ||
| Are you supportive of it? | ||
| And the Brits are like, yes, absolutely. | ||
| We're supportive. | ||
| And then I walk out my door and down the street and I look on the window, it says stay at home, protect the NHS, save lives. | ||
| And then you look downstairs and people having a drinks party. | ||
| So it's do as I say, not do as I do. | ||
| Yeah, so, all right, you're a radical right-wing guy trying to defend liberalism. | ||
| Extreme right-wing guy. | ||
| Extreme right-winger trying to defend liberalism. | ||
| So you walk in through the fire, you decide, okay, I'm not gonna be canceled, I'm gonna see what happens. | ||
| And then how did you make the shift to say, well, I'm actually gonna freaking start a political party and run for office? | ||
| It's one thing to survive it, but then to really say, I'm going in and I'm going to do something. | ||
| Well, it's just such a gap. | ||
| So like we did, um, I mean, after this, we did, I had a feeling that there was a large constituency of people that just weren't being allowed to express themselves. | ||
| So there's this huge freedom of speech hole. | ||
| So I thought, that needs mending, because we have to have a proper debate about everything, including lockdowns, actually, weirdly, because they haven't been talked about. | ||
| They've just been, you must accept that lockdowns are a good thing, and there's no debate allowed. | ||
| So yeah, I got approached by a very rich There's this man who said, "What do you want to do? | ||
| "'Cause you will not lie down. | ||
| "You keep standing up like some stupid boxer "who doesn't know when the battle is finished." | ||
| And I said, "Well, I should do something media." | ||
| And I actually mentioned you, because you're actually responsible for some of this, | ||
| as I told you before. | ||
| And again, I apologize. | ||
| And he said, "No, no, you need a political party." | ||
| He said, "They'll only ever listen to you "if you have a political party." | ||
| So weirdly, we started up the political party, and suddenly the culture became important again | ||
| to our conservative government, because they're trying to hold me off | ||
| on what would essentially be the liberal side of things, but is now the sort of extreme far right, | ||
| as our lovely mayor calls me. | ||
| Yeah, so this morning I went to the Reclaim website, and you basically write an open letter | ||
| describing why you started the party and what the beliefs are, | ||
| and I thought it was quite perfect, actually. | ||
| Can you describe some of the principles, again, these crazy right-wing liberal principles that you're defending? | ||
| Well, I think it's really simple. | ||
| I'm defending an idea, so it's not really about me anyway. | ||
| You should be able to protect yourself from attack. | ||
| If you believe in freedom of speech, you believe in everybody's freedom to speak. | ||
| So that's what I stand for. | ||
| I stand for the biggest and broadest debate to be had possible. | ||
| And then what I've done sort of practically is I've commissioned, which is actually | ||
| going to be quite big news in England soon, which is going to shock them. | ||
| I've commissioned a full and huge legal review of all of the legal impingements on freedom of speech. | ||
| Because you've got your Equality Act going through, and what's it called, HR1, or whatever's | ||
| going through in America. | ||
| Now, we had this shit. | ||
| They did this in like 2010 in the UK. | ||
| We have our own Equality Act, where people have protected characteristics, | ||
| and they're not equal under the law. | ||
| So all of this stuff is really dangerous legislation. | ||
| And I commissioned a full review and some very eminent top, top, top people who have put together a suggestion for the British people and for the Parliament about how we can Yeah, it seems to be. | ||
| Are you worried that, in essence, you'll sort of, like, just at a, like, practical level, that you'll sort of split the conservatives because some conservatives will go with you, the rest will stay with the conservatives, and then ultimately you just help Labour and the Labour Party has, as you sort of said before, kind of gone off the rails? | ||
| I think the Conservative candidate in London is not, he's such a sweet guy as well, which I find so difficult because he's a really lovely guy, but he's not, for some reason he's not creating the right waves. | ||
| So, no, I think what I want and what would be best would be for me and Sadiq, our Mayor, Who likes to race bait on a daily basis to debate and talk about our capital city and, you know, what's his vision for it? | ||
| Because, you know, he's got this, it's called the Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm. | ||
| He's got, and it sounds lovely, doesn't it? | ||
| It always sounds lovely. | ||
| It always sounds lovely. | ||
| But it's just like, let's tear down all our statues. | ||
| And he's already had to kick one member off who's an avowed, surprisingly for the left, Extreme left and a vowed anti-Semite. | ||
| Who would have thought it? | ||
| Shocking, in the Labour Party? | ||
| I can't believe it. | ||
| It's weird, isn't it, right? | ||
| The people that call you racist, they are the exact thing they accuse you of. | ||
| So he's... I'm sorry, I've lost my train now. | ||
| So in essence, you want to debate Sadiq Khan, and do you sense that that could happen, or is it a pipe dream? | ||
| I mean, will he do it? | ||
| Who knows, man? | ||
| We've got a pretty cool campaign. | ||
| On the Thursday, we're going to start dropping some of the more importantly controversial but needing to be said statements to London. | ||
| I mean, look, at the end of the day, London is like the Cathedral of Woke, like any metropolitan centre. | ||
| So, for me, the most important thing is just to raise the voice for the people who don't get to speak. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| It's the only reason I do it. | ||
| All right, so you guys are seeing some violence in London, sort of newish violence. | ||
| There's the lockdowns. | ||
| We were mentioning right before we started recording that we have a couple of friends in common, Douglas Murray and Peter Lloyd and a few other people. | ||
| Peter basically has fled London, and everyone that I talk to that's in London is really not happy about what's going on there. | ||
| What besides the free speech stuff has Sadiq Khan done wrong? | ||
| Well, what has he done right, really, is the way he upstarts. | ||
| He's terrible. | ||
| We've got a surging knife crime problem in London, and then that's made almost unsolvable because of the way that he stokes racial tensions between people. | ||
| So, you know, he calls you a racist. | ||
| If you try and deal with knife crime, he would call you a racist. | ||
| He's obviously trying to tear down all of our shared history. | ||
| What did he say the other day? | ||
| He said something like, there's just no reason why there should be 65% of these people should be white men working in this particular field. | ||
| And you're like, hang on a minute, dude. | ||
| Just slow down. | ||
| This country is 83% or 85% white. | ||
| Of course, it's going to be more white people. | ||
| It's this very specific demonization of white people. | ||
| Unfortunately, he has a huge constituency of white people who also hate themselves as well, you know, the sort of white urban liberals. | ||
| And it's really sad because most of the working class in the United Kingdom would usually vote Labour. | ||
| You know, they would. | ||
| But Labour don't represent Labour. | ||
| They don't represent Labourers and they don't represent actually the important things, which are class issues in this country. | ||
| You know, Britain is constantly and frequently, I think just after New Zealand, and I can't remember where else, we are the most tolerant country on earth, you know, in terms of like tolerance of intermarriage and all this sort of stuff. | ||
| So I don't know why at the centre of the Altar of Woke, our mayor is trying to turn around and go, you know what, guys, you're all racists. | ||
| It's like, come on, man. | ||
| It's 2021. | ||
| We've got to get a new story. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's basically it's all they got, right? | ||
| I mean, that's in essence what you were saying in that clip earlier. | ||
| Like, it's all they got. | ||
| Without that, what policy could he possibly be pushing that makes any sense? | ||
| I know. | ||
| He doesn't have any policies. | ||
| And also, the worst part of it is he's kind of a government stooge as well. | ||
| So, the government are bribing him to make him look bad. | ||
| And it's just so political. | ||
| And I can't bear it. | ||
| So, when I get involved in this stuff, I just go, listen, I don't have any lobbies or vested interests. | ||
| I'm not supported or funded by these people. | ||
| So, this is what I would do to solve X, Y, and Z problem. | ||
| So we'll just have to see. | ||
| Does it feel to you guys like a lot of this stuff has been imported from the U.S. | ||
| that are bad ideas or the bad ideas that have taken root here suddenly are exported all over the place? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, when you go to what the BBC described as a largely peaceful protest of the Black Lives Matter last summer, there were people walking around going, hands up, don't shoot. | ||
| And I'm like, our police force isn't armed. | ||
| They literally don't have guns. | ||
| We've imported this straight from America, which is a great honor to America because, you know, we love American trends and all of that stuff, but this is one American trend I wish it stayed behind. | ||
| But at least you get to keep Megan, right? | ||
| Well, apparently she's going to run for president now. | ||
| That's the new meme we're hearing. | ||
| And she'd win. | ||
| She'd win, wouldn't she? | ||
| Where are we going to go? | ||
| Fiji. | ||
| Fiji, that's the spot. | ||
| Yeah, that's the spot. | ||
| So, all right, so America's importing this, or exporting this stuff. | ||
| You guys are importing this stuff. | ||
| What's it gonna take? | ||
| Is it okay we can take back London by getting a sane mayor? | ||
| Like, what's the real move to really reverse this thing? | ||
| Well, there's an interesting thing that's developed now. | ||
| There's a constituency in the north of Britain called the Red Wall, which was always held by the Labour Party, and it totally fell down the friction and went to the Conservatives. | ||
| They lent their votes to the Conservatives. | ||
| Some constituencies hadn't voted Conservative for 100 years. | ||
| And today, one of the Labour, weirdly, why would it be the Labour guy who's being done for sexual harassment and had to resign immediately? | ||
| It's weird that that's always them too, isn't it? | ||
| It's so bizarre. | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
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It's almost like they're the exact thing they accuse us of. | |
| So that he's had to stand down today. | ||
| So there's now going to be a by-election and it'll be very, very interesting to see what happens up there. | ||
| But ultimately, I think if you can open up the dialogue and you can say, listen, There's 70 million people in this country. | ||
| We're not all racists. | ||
| We're not. | ||
| And I will stand up and say we're not. | ||
| These guys have been doing this for decades, haven't they? | ||
| Marching through our universities. | ||
| Even my kids, right? | ||
| My youngest son said to me, I'm sorry this is racist, dad, but mum is a better cook than you. | ||
| And I'm like, what? | ||
| Say what now? | ||
| So they're filling it in their heads, like constantly. | ||
| When Trump got ill, um, well, he didn't really get ill. | ||
| Did he really get COVID? | ||
| But when they announced it in the school assembly, you know, and then everyone started cheering and it's like, my little son was like, I didn't want to cheer. | ||
| I don't want to cheer when someone's not very well. | ||
| So they're hammering it in, the education establishment is really bad. | ||
| I think what you have to do is they march through the institution slowly, we'll march straight back in. | ||
| So do you think the institutions are worth saving or would you say that they should be just rebuilt or just totally new institutions? | ||
| I think they have to be reclaimed. | ||
| I think that's why I call it reclaimed. | ||
| They have to be reclaimed. | ||
| It's 95% of academics are pretty hard left in university, and that's not cool. | ||
| You can't have a good debate when 95% of people agree with each other. | ||
| Even my old acting school has totally bought into critical race theory and anti-racism and stuff like that. | ||
| But I thought it was excellent what Prince William said when he said, this family is not racist. | ||
| And that was a deliberate little spike at his brother and his sort of weird anti-racist, narcissist crap from his puppet master wife, you know. | ||
| What's going on with that whole situation? | ||
| You know, I covered it for like two seconds on the show. | ||
| I didn't watch the full open interview. | ||
| It's not that interesting to me, honestly, from an American perspective. | ||
| We just have bigger problems at the moment. | ||
| But is Meghan gonna like take down the whole monarchy? | ||
| That's kind of what it feels like, like that she's gonna import all of these horrible ideas and just that this is a threat to everything. | ||
| I don't think she will succeed because I think there's a huge amount of goodwill there. | ||
| Like if you look at the photos of that wedding, particularly where there, you know, there's so much goodwill. | ||
| I mean, you know, we have princes and princesses in this country, right? | ||
| You're not gonna hate your prince and princess. | ||
| So there was so much goodwill, but what we cannot abide Is what she's done, which she's trying to make her she's a being political, which, you know, you shouldn't be doing as a royal. | ||
| I think she's just taking control of a very compassionate guy. | ||
| And she's, she's realized she's not going to be the center of attention. | ||
| So she's gone, right. | ||
| Well, I don't want to be in the royal family anymore. | ||
| And then, you know, in true kind of vengeful narcissist style, she's gone, um, right. | ||
| I'm going to take them down. | ||
| So she's accused all of them of being racist by not being particular about what it is. | ||
| And I know how powerful that insult is, because I get called racist all the time. | ||
| And it really affects you, especially if you've got a heart. | ||
| You're like, ow! | ||
| I was not expecting to be called that. | ||
| So I think what will happen is the royal family will just find a very cool, very calm way of going, bye now! | ||
| Stay over there! | ||
| How does the media play into all of this? | ||
| Because you guys are well known for your tabloid media. | ||
| I've had the Guardian call me racist and far right and all of that stuff. | ||
| So even though we've obviously exported a lot of the bad ideas, one of the things that I think that you guys have exported is some of like the tabloid journalism kind of stuff. | ||
| Like it's now everywhere here. | ||
| It's like basically there's no difference between the National Enquirer and the New York Times at this point. | ||
| Yeah, former newspaper. | ||
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And it's, it's very, it's very sad. | |
| It's been particularly sad over lockdown, because the government briefed the and they're now finding redacted statements within the scientific advisory group that have been saying we need to get the people frightened and stuff like this. | ||
| So the government have briefed the media and the media have loved it. | ||
| They've then set the whole population on fire and fear. | ||
| And now everyone is terrified. | ||
| And they can't move. | ||
| So I think the media are You know, but it's free speech, right? | ||
| I'm like, say what you want, man. | ||
| But just, can we just have more of the whole picture instead of just this very focused picture on what we want to attack and what is, you know, relevant to your kind of selling newspapers narrative. | ||
| It's been bad, but even Piers Morgan got eaten by the crocodile. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How's Piers doing right now after he walked off the set? | ||
| He was, I was quite friendly with Piers, and then we fell out over COVID. | ||
| So I've been saying that he's, now that he's realized, because he jumps on bandwagons, as you know, in America, you know, when Shapiro, when Shapiro just ate him for breakfast over the assault rifle stuff. | ||
| So he's doing the same thing. | ||
| He's just reinventing himself. | ||
| We've got a new news channel opening up in the UK called GB News, which is run by Andrew Neil, who's probably one of the best journalists we have in the country. | ||
| And hopefully that will bring a bit more balance into it. | ||
| But they're already trying to get that cancelled as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you guys have, like, who are the British voices that we should know that we don't know? | ||
| Like, who else is putting you on the map right now? | ||
| Definitely, Andrew Neil. | ||
| The newspapers that have not given in to the woke agenda, but some of them have, most of them have, but the Telegraph newspaper hasn't really given in. | ||
| The Times did this horrible evisceration of Jordan Peterson the other day, and I was just like, fuck you, you know, fuck you. | ||
| I was so, and that was meant to be a sort of centrist, moderate paper. | ||
| And they're just like, stab, stab, stab. | ||
| So the Telegraph, the Express, which if you'd said the Express 10 years ago | ||
| or 15 years ago in the UK, they would have gone, "Nazi." | ||
| But now it's like a bastion of centrism. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| What about, 'cause I know what people will say, okay, you guys are saying you're downplaying racism | ||
| and ba-ba-ba-ba-do. | ||
| What about the real people that actually are racist? | ||
| The real far-right people, whatever influence those groups have. | ||
| First off, do they have any real influence at this point? | ||
| Because in American context, there are no legit political racist groups. | ||
| There just aren't. | ||
| That isn't to say there aren't racist people there are, of course, but they have been marginalized. | ||
| Are you trying to say that the left creates imaginary bogeymen? | ||
| I'm starting to think we think in a similar way. | ||
| Um, the, yeah, so the far right in England, um, it does exist, but I mean, there's probably a, it's not very many of them, you know, it's not, and they don't really have any power. | ||
| No one listens to them, but also they're having the best time ever because the thing is, everyone's a racist. | ||
| They're just hiding in plain sight. | ||
| No, I think, I think the thing is, We're in this sort of new woke religion that we've found ourselves in, and we're looking for heaven. | ||
| Heaven is a world of no racism, which everyone would like a world of no racism, but unfortunately, human beings are flawed, fallen, and not perfect. | ||
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You're gonna have to kill an awful lot of humans. | |
| Yeah, you're going to find that there are going to be some actual racists and what you want to do is educate their children. | ||
| That's all you want to do. | ||
| You know, we've got a nasty racist dude. | ||
| What are you going to try and convince him of? | ||
| But his kids you can educate and hopefully his child can turn out not to be racist, you know, but we've done. | ||
| I'm so, I mean, I'm brazenly patriotic about this country. | ||
| I think we're amazing. | ||
| And I think, you know, America has kind of fallen for the next four years. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| China's powerful. | ||
| Actually, you've got really... I love the fact that you get your own... soldiers get to choose the color of their own combat gear now. | ||
| That sounds brilliant. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| China's licking their chops at the moment. | ||
| China's just going, this is great. | ||
| And we've got, so I think England needs, we need to look at England and go, what do you guys think? | ||
| And I think you need to go, well, we believe that we must stand freely together and we see all men and women equal under the law. | ||
| I mean, what's so complicated about that crap? | ||
| That's a 75% issue in our country. | ||
| It's almost like you should do the things that you've been doing for a long time, something like that. | ||
| See if that 1,000 years, see if that 900 years since the Magna Carta was worth carrying on pursuing. | ||
| Or hang on a minute, let's just tear the whole thing down and start again. | ||
| What do you want to start with, leftists? | ||
| Nothing, just fire and chaos. | ||
| And quotas. | ||
| Fire chaos and quotas. | ||
| Don't forget the quotas. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You must remember the quotas. | ||
| Where does Brexit fit into all of this? | ||
| And do you feel freer now than you did, say, well, I guess not because of lockdowns, but putting lockdowns aside, would you feel a little freer now? | ||
| I think Brexit is amazing. | ||
| I didn't vote for Brexit. | ||
| I voted to remain because I was just like, why change it? | ||
| It was sort of my vibe. | ||
| But now that I've seen how duplicitous and evil the European Union have been, certainly over the vaccine stuff and over Northern Ireland, Brexiteers are now probably just above deplorable status. | ||
| So you wouldn't spit at them in the street, but you would try and have them cancelled from work. | ||
| Yeah, Brexit was a very big central cultural issue for our country. | ||
| So, you know, there's still people who maraud around online. | ||
| Actually, most of the bullies have a European flag in their Twitter bio, and it says FBPE, follow back pro-Europe. | ||
| And I think Brexit has divided the country, but I imagine The 52% that voted Brexit are probably now, if you did that vote again, I think you'd find it probably be more 60-40. | ||
| So you think people realize that being in charge of their own lives is better than outsourcing it to Brussels? | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Outsourcing it to an unelected body? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's been really good. | ||
| I think it's exciting, but the problem is Boris Johnson's had this chance to go, right, we've done Brexit, what are we gonna look like? | ||
| What are we gonna be as a country? | ||
| And instead, he's gone like, okay, darling, more wind farms. | ||
| More wind farms and dolphins. | ||
| What's the deal with Boris? | ||
| I think a lot of people thought he was gonna be much more bullish and bold than he's been, and it sounds like that just kinda hasn't happened. | ||
| Mistress Nut Nut. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His, his girl. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| His girl, his, his girlfriend is, um, she's a, she's an entirely new level of woke. | ||
| And he's got a load of kids apparently who are also woke because Boris is, Boris was never good at knowing how many children he had exactly. | ||
| So, um, he's, um, he does a good line in it. | ||
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| But he's, the thing is he's, he's a trained classicist. | ||
| So if you've got a national health service here going, we're going to rename breastfeeding, chest feeding, You're like, come on dude, you're a classical linguist, you should care about language, but he's just like... So he's all about dolphins and wind turbines, which is great for when it's windy. | ||
| I can't tell, are you hopeful or pessimistic, generally speaking? | ||
| I'm optimistic, but I find this whole thing so amusing. | ||
| It's so difficult not to find it mad. | ||
| Are we sitting through a very important period of history? | ||
| We are. | ||
| I never thought I'd watch it. | ||
| My dad is 81, and he said to me the other day, I was like, how do you feel? | ||
| And he went, I'm just glad I'll be dead soon. | ||
| I'm so glad I won't be around when the fire starts. | ||
| I'm like, ooh, dad. | ||
| But he does know you're trying to put out the fire, so. | ||
| Yeah, and he's cool, my dad. | ||
| He's a good inspiration for me. | ||
| So we walk a lot, and we talk, and he's smart about these things. | ||
| So we can put the fire out. | ||
| I think ultimately what will happen is people will just go, stop. | ||
| And I think my mates who've got kids who are like 15, 16, they're not working at all. | ||
| They hate them. | ||
| That seems to be the new thing, that the Zoomers, like that generation, the upper teens right now, that they're gonna reject this stuff with a boldness that somehow, well, certainly the baby boomers failed on, and we're roughly the same age that our Gen Z people failed on, but that they won't, hopefully. | ||
| Yeah, I think they are the hope. | ||
| Otherwise, it's gonna be chaos, isn't it? | ||
| It's gonna be like them. | ||
| It's almost like the French Revolution, but the wind up, the thing that I find so terrifying about it is you're constantly goading, because obviously we get America about two months later. | ||
| So you've now gone from white privilege to white supremacy. | ||
| And we're now getting the white supremacy thing. | ||
| And you're saying this to like, one of the poorest constituencies in the country. | ||
| So white working class boys in England, chances of them going to university are very, very low. | ||
| So you're turning around to a bunch of poor white kids and saying, Check your privilege. | ||
| And then you've also got a whole load of communities from Asia all the way across from India to China who don't get included in Black Lives Matter. | ||
| So it's like, it's so divisive and it's so unpleasant. | ||
| So I think it should be stood up against. | ||
| I mean, it's just unfair that I'm kind of blonde and blue-eyed because it's just exactly the wrong Or it's exactly the right one, because it's just enough of this. | ||
| And that's why I wanted to have you on the show, because you aren't afraid of this thing. | ||
| Like, you had your moment and you didn't run. | ||
| A lot of people, they put that apology out there and you never hear from them again and you didn't do it. | ||
| What else should we tell people about the Reclaim Party and how they can help you and get word out there and all that good stuff? | ||
| Well, you can go. | ||
| We're not accepting donations at the moment because I want people to see that I am working rather than getting freebies. | ||
| So you can just spread the word, man. | ||
| All I've been saying to when someone says, how can I help you? | ||
| I say, find someone you disagree with and go and have a conversation with them. | ||
| That's the best thing you can do to help the Reclaim Party, and actually your own culture and your society, stay the right way up. | ||
| Lawrence Fox, you are a fierce liberal, in the best sense of liberal, for whatever sense that word still has. | ||
| You are the best type, so thanks for doing this. | ||
| We're gonna link, obviously, to the party down below, and good luck, and can I host the debate between you and Sadiq? | ||
| You think he'd come on the show? | ||
| What do you think, what do you think? | ||
| You should invite him on the show because I think that he's so keen on being right on and you know you're super you know would he know? | ||
| I'd be really interested in seeing he doesn't really do interviews like even the other day when someone was trying to ask him that because he's closed off all the neighborhoods in London as well right so he's gone if it's a not an essential journey you won't make it because I will just close off all the neighborhoods so these people were trying to talk to him about it go but why do you get to choose if it's an essential journey? | ||
| And he just, he has like six, he's like a mafia boss. | ||
| Got six security guards, fleet of Range Rovers, all on the taxpayer dollar. | ||
| He's quite a character. | ||
| I would like to. | ||
| Yeah, you got your work cut out for you. | ||
| Well, I do hope it happens. | ||
| We're gonna link to Reclaim Party down below. | ||
| Lawrence, good luck, man. |
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