March 26, 2021 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| All right, I'm Dave Rubin and welcome to another Friday panel extravaganza. | ||
| Today, we're gonna be discussing school closures, school choice, and homeschooling. | ||
| And joining me are the director of school choice at the Reason Foundation, Corey DeAngelis, author, actress, and education activist, Sam Sorbo, and the director of outreach for PragerU's new prep program, Jill Simonian. | ||
| Welcome to The Rubin Report, everybody. | ||
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| All right, so we've been connected for about 10 minutes and we all just vented about our feelings about lockdowns and masks, but we're going to focus on education here. | ||
| And I realize that we're all sort of in interesting cities right now. | ||
| So Jill, I'm going to start with you because you're, we're actually pretty close. | ||
| We're about a mile away from each other. | ||
| You're here in crazy Los Angeles. | ||
| I'm not happy with it. | ||
| I don't even have kids yet, but I'm not happy with the teachers union. | ||
| Schools are still not open. | ||
| Everyone's kind of freaking out. | ||
| What is the state of schools in L.A. | ||
| right now? | ||
| Okay, so the state of schools in the L.A. | ||
| area, full disclosure, my kids are in a public school in a district that we specifically moved to outside of the L.A. | ||
| area because the schools were top-notch. | ||
| years ago and the state is crazy. Us parents are so angry. | ||
| I have been angry. Our district, and we're not in LA Unified, okay? We're in a, what's known | ||
| as a boutique school district that is very much has been in partnership, open | ||
| conversation, wonderful relationship with parents and the community. But it's all, I hate to say this, it's | ||
| gone to hell in a handbasket the last year. Push, pull, divisiveness, I can't even describe it. | ||
| Finally, finally, my two elementary school children are in school, back every day, three-hour hybrid scenario for the last few weeks. | ||
| So progress, but still very angry and just Right, and of course, a lot of that has to do with the unions. | ||
| We're gonna get to them in a little bit. | ||
| So from the city that I'm stuck in to the state that I wanna live in, Sam, you are in Florida. | ||
| Look at you, look at you rubbing it in, in sunny Florida. | ||
| I said nothing. | ||
| I can just feel it. | ||
| I can just feel that thing from you Floridians now. | ||
| No, what's going on in Florida? | ||
| Because DeSantis obviously has largely kept the state open. | ||
| Yes, and the schools are open and he actually took school closures pretty much off the table. | ||
| So schools have been in session. | ||
| Of course, I come to this from a completely different standpoint. | ||
| I haven't been, my kids haven't been in schools in over a decade. | ||
| I've been an advocate for homeschooling and I've written a few books about it. | ||
| And you can go to samsorba.com if you want more information. | ||
| I, and it's funny because Dave, I found myself on the same side as the left saying, don't put kids back in school, keep them closed. | ||
| Of course, I say that somewhat tongue in cheek, but frankly, what we are teaching our students in schools is progressivism, is socialism, is Marxism. | ||
| And I don't, I don't know if there's a solution to that because it's ingrained in the textbooks. | ||
| The teachers have been indoctrinated at this point, and so it's going to be very difficult to withdraw from that mentality, especially for our youth. | ||
| And now we have even further things coming down the pike. | ||
| So there's a whole new directive to basically turn our children into social justice warriors, to convince them that they are the oppressed class, so that they fight against the authorities and overturn the system. | ||
| And mind you, of course, they're putting this through without any plans for what the new system would be, the system that might be better than the European-centric white system that started this whole great experiment that we call the United States of America. | ||
| It's anti-American. | ||
| And so, yeah, that's pretty much where I am. | ||
| Yeah, you bring up a couple things that I wanna hit on throughout the chat, but this idea of suddenly it's conservatives, let's say, or basically anyone right or non-woke trying to get all the kids back to school, but that's exactly where they're learning all these bad ideas is a really strange tension right now. | ||
| Corey, you've been talking about school closures and everything else for quite some time. | ||
| are in DC. | ||
| How's it going in the zombie apocalypse of DC? | ||
| Are you in the caged up zone over there? | ||
| Yes, I'm right in the middle of DC. | ||
| And look, the public schools out here spend over $31,000 per child per year. | ||
| And I'd say the best solution to all this mess is to let the money follow the child. | ||
| Even if you don't give them the full $31,000, let's say you give them $20,000, they could afford a lot of private schools with that money. | ||
| Okay, so I love the idea of funding students, not the system. | ||
| But let's bring this back to the unions for just a sec, because I know you've been talking about this for a while, Corey, but Jill, as someone that you teach educators how to be better educators, and you also have your kids in public school, which is pretty rare for, you know, successful people in the LA area. | ||
| They preach public schools, but they all send their kids to private schools. | ||
| What do we do about the union situation here? | ||
| Because it seems like they never are going to go back until they get a list of demands that have nothing to do with COVID at this point as we're seeing it. | ||
| It has much more to do with the new equity programs and everything else. | ||
| My little community was lifted the veil and really exposed a lot of us parents who were blind for a very, very long time. | ||
| And I raised my hand because I am included in that group that was blind. | ||
| It showed us the truth and it got us angry. | ||
| And it's required us to be very, very courageous in addressing what is happening, you know, without, in a very unfiltered way. | ||
| And it's gotten down and dirty and ugly at a lot of the school board meetings. | ||
| But I think That that's where it starts. | ||
| And one thing that we're trying to do here at PragerU's new prep program is, among many things, to give parents courage to start speaking up. | ||
| We cannot be quiet anymore. | ||
| We need to start speaking up, holding the unions accountable, | ||
| calling teachers out individually who are the union leaders, | ||
| who are pushing for these egregious lockdowns or demands and whatever, you know, whatever there. | ||
| We have to start speaking up and that's what we've been doing on a, | ||
| my family, you know, and my community members on a personal level. | ||
| And we have seen, I'm not gonna say anything is perfect, but we have seen certain directives | ||
| and goals slowed down. | ||
| Certain things that the union wanted, that we're pushing for, we've seen them see the army of parents of all of us come out and they've slowed down a little bit. | ||
| Is it going to work forever? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But it starts with parents speaking up loud and not being ashamed of it. | ||
| So Sam, not only are you feeling good because you live in Florida, but now that homeschooling has sort of gone mainstream, everyone's kind of talking about it now. | ||
| You said you've been doing it for 10 years, is that what you said? | ||
| Yeah, over a decade, yeah. | ||
| For over a decade. | ||
| Can you tell us what got you into it, and are you kind of feeling like, yeah guys, you're all late to the party, this is what you should have been doing all along? | ||
| Well, I've been I've been preaching this for four years now, but I'm thrilled that people are starting to see the benefits of home education. | ||
| And I would prefer to call it home education because schooling is what happens in school. | ||
| And you end up with people who cannot think because they're not they're being taught actually not to think. | ||
| And I say that, for instance, we didn't ask the right questions when the pandemic came down. | ||
| We agreed with two weeks to flatten the curve and then they changed it to slow the spread. | ||
| And nobody asked the question. | ||
| And the reason that they didn't is because in school, we learned that you have to ask a quest. | ||
| You have to ask permission before you ask a question. | ||
| And and it goes on and on from there. | ||
| So, for instance, parents say used to say to me, I could never homeschool. | ||
| I wouldn't know how. | ||
| And my question was always, did you graduate high school? | ||
| And they would say, yes. | ||
| And I said, but you feel inadequate to teach a third grader. | ||
| So since the definition of education is basically learning something well enough to teach it, perhaps you haven't been educated. | ||
| Maybe you've been schooled. | ||
| And perhaps you should reconsider whether you want to send your child into the system that, you know, turned out the likes of you. | ||
| And so, you know, this is sort of an ongoing conversation. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| They always take that well, I assume. | ||
| You know, it's I do it rhetorically and maybe not so much in person because I don't want to make enemies. | ||
| But but frankly, people don't really understand anymore in this nation what education is. | ||
| And that's the sad truth, because education used to be engaged in the pursuance of truth. | ||
| And it is no longer. | ||
| And so we used to pursue truth, beauty and goodness. | ||
| And now we are teaching children that there are no such things. | ||
| That truth is malleable. | ||
| Beauty is simply in the eye of the beholder. | ||
| All evidence to the contrary, because if you look at a sunset, typically you say it's beautiful. | ||
| And if you don't think a sunset is beautiful, there's something wrong with you and not the sunset. | ||
| But now we're teaching kids, no, no, beauty is simply in the eye of the beholder. | ||
| And goodness, well, that's on a sliding scale too. | ||
| Some things are good and, you know, Sometimes if you steal from somebody, hey, the insurance company is going to pay for it. | ||
| So it's good. | ||
| I mean, we're really at that at that edge now. | ||
| And so, yeah, the homeschool movement has grown. | ||
| And I'm very hopeful that people will understand that it's more about the relationship between the child and the parent and the relationship that the child has to truth, beauty and goodness. | ||
| The main thrust of home education is that we are teaching children to teach themselves. | ||
| And that's a skill that's a lifelong skill. | ||
| We are not teaching that in schools. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| I was going to say, I do want to jump in because everything that Sam said, Sam, you know that you're already one of my unofficial mentors here. | ||
| I listen to your words and I soak it all up, honey. | ||
| But it's smart and it's truthful and it's exactly what so many of us parents want. | ||
| But I got to ask, and maybe this is the Naive part of me because my kids are still so young, but isn't everything what you just said and described, all of those values that we share, isn't it worth fighting for families through our public schools to keep those ideals | ||
| ...our public schools through our children, through our parental involvement as much as possible. | ||
| Isn't it worth fighting for? | ||
| That's why I'm still hanging on to this, yeah, okay, my kids are in school and it's public school and there's problems and issues, but I'm gonna fight because it's worth fighting for. | ||
| Let me actually pose, that was exactly the question that I wanted to ask Corey, because as the school choice guy, I hear what Sam's saying, and it's like, how could anyone send their kids to public school? | ||
| And then I hear Jill, and she's doing it, and there's some pushback that's kind of working. | ||
| But what do you think about that question? | ||
| And then I'll let Sam answer as well. | ||
| Yeah, real quick on the homeschooling, I just wanna point out that the U.S. | ||
| Census Bureau just released a report suggesting that about 11% of households are now formally homeschooling, not pandemic schooling at home, Unenrolling their kids and formally homeschooling which is | ||
| Essentially a tripling of it just a couple of years ago. | ||
| So it's a huge spike in homeschooling. | ||
| But then I also want to respond to Jill's point and say, yes, I think we should do both. | ||
| You should push for reform in the traditional system. | ||
| I will say, I think school choice or what I call funding students as opposed to institutions does both things at the same time because it provides that bottom up accountability for the public schools to change their curriculums and to change how they teach. | ||
| And how effectively they teach students, and it incentivizes them to open their doors for business. | ||
| There's a recent report from Brown University, a working paper out there that just came out last year, finding that public school districts with more low-cost Catholic schools in the area were more likely to reopen their doors for business, which gives credibility to the argument that competition is a rising tide that lifts all boats. | ||
| And in the school choice literature, there's about 27 studies, 25 of those 27 studies | ||
| similarly find that school choice competition leads to better outcomes in the public school. | ||
| So we should expect the curriculums to change as a result of the competition as well. | ||
| And I will say it's a lot tougher to get things done through the democratic process | ||
| because the unions are so powerful. | ||
| see and then the teachers might still just do the same thing anyway. | ||
| And that may take a long time. | ||
| A lot of families don't have it much longer and they want to have choices now. | ||
| And I think that's why so many states are pushing school choice legislation right now. | ||
| About 30 states have introduced bills to fund students as opposed to systems. | ||
| And about a third of those states have already passed at least one bill. | ||
| Yeah, interesting. | ||
| So I want Sam to jump in on that question as well. | ||
| Jill, I'll give you my answer though, which is one of the last things that was allowing me to say, oh, I still am an old school liberal. | ||
| was that I believe that there was some role in for the public, for public education, | ||
| the tax money should be used for public education. | ||
| I've really shifted into more of Corey's position on this, which is fund students, not the institutions, | ||
| because I think, and I'm fairly, so I don't wanna put words in Sam's mouth, | ||
| but I think she's gonna agree with me, that the woke ideology is so pervasive, | ||
| it is so in the system right now that even if you get little wins at public schools, | ||
| they're only gonna be little wins as the tide just keeps going. | ||
| But Sam, take it away. | ||
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I do agree. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| I do agree with that. | ||
| I do agree with that. | ||
| So let's just say you can have, as Corey points out, and I love all of Corey's points, frankly, and I'm so heartened to hear actual statistics. | ||
| I hadn't seen that study yet. | ||
| But I will say that you can have it both ways. | ||
| You can join the school board, run for school board. | ||
| You can try to hold the unions accountable, but also not sacrifice your children to the wokeness beast that has invaded our schools. | ||
| And I would put to parents, and by the way, Let me just say, I'm really sad to be the one carrying this message. | ||
| I do not relish my position here. | ||
| I just know the things that I know. | ||
| And I also want to say, I don't blame teachers, because I think teachers are trying to do the best that they can in a system that has now been corrupted by an ideology that sought to corrupt, okay? | ||
| But when you have a child that I spoke to on the phone, having been given a poem that featured erotic, violent sexual imagery, okay? | ||
| And with no warning, And she said she felt violated. | ||
| And yet, because the parents are so sort of beholden to this system, and it's not education, and it's not working, and we are 27th in the world, and we spend more than any other country except Switzerland on our students, and, and, and, so it's a broken system, and we're just not willing to admit that it's broken, you know, then you come up against What's it worth? | ||
| How precious are your children? | ||
| And that's really what it comes down to, because the problem is, when the child is exposed to some of the information that is given out in the schools, and it's in the textbooks, and some of the teachers are, boy, there was a teacher who read this poem to the class, right? | ||
| It's too late. | ||
| That young woman was already violated. | ||
| It was too late. | ||
| They raised a ruckus and they went to the school board and they demanded an apology. | ||
| It's too late. | ||
| There are certain things you can't unsee. | ||
| So there's a choice to be made. | ||
| Because I've been in this for long enough. | ||
| Yes, I was tremendously insecure. | ||
| That's why my book is titled the way it is. | ||
| I was tremendously insecure when I started and what I discovered is it's not about me. | ||
| It doesn't really matter how capable I am in terms of what I know. | ||
| All I have to do is be the lead learner and show my child that they can teach themselves anything and I'm equipping them to handle the world. | ||
| I'm also showing them relationship And love of truth, beauty and goodness, which are the most important things, really. | ||
| And so we have to rethink the way that we define the word education in this nation because, as I pointed out in my second book, which is behind me, Words for Warriors, they've redefined education. | ||
| They've redefined the word fascist. | ||
| They've redefined all of these words. | ||
| And so our thinking is wrong now on many of these topics. | ||
| And we really need to Refocus ourselves and repurpose ourselves to winning back our language and our culture simultaneously. | ||
| So Corey, I think that's pretty much what you've been trying to do, right? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And Sam, I just want, yeah, that all great points. | ||
| I really liked the point that you made about this is not about the employees in the system. | ||
| It's not a problem with them. | ||
| It's that there's a messed up set of incentives that's baked into that system, which is leading to schools to be closed for in-person instruction. | ||
| For so long, and over time, if we look at the data, the system hasn't really rewarded teachers appropriately. | ||
| If you look at between since 1960, we've increased inflation adjusted per pupil education expenditures in the U.S. | ||
| in their public schools by 280% in real terms. | ||
| And between 1992 and 2014, a report has shown that we've increased real pure-pupil inflation-adjusted education expenditures by about 27%, but real teacher salaries, after adjusting for inflation over that same period, dropped by 2%. | ||
| That's because it's a closed system, and we're not allowing for the free market. | ||
| It's very simple. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And the employer has very little incentive to spend the money wisely. | ||
| And the best way to spend that money wisely is to allocate it towards the teachers doing the work in the classroom. | ||
| But so we're just throwing more money at its administrative load and support staff. | ||
| So you don't support diversity administrators being hired instead of paying teachers a little bit more? | ||
| That's not really the way to go? | ||
| I mean, seriously. | ||
| Schools can do what they want as long as that's as a result of the free choice of individuals choosing their schools. | ||
| Perhaps a certain type of administrator role is okay. | ||
| I don't know the perfect amount of any type of administrator in any given school and that's the beauty of the free market because none of us has that information on the ground that individual families have and that's a great argument to fund the students. | ||
| As opposed to the institutions. | ||
| And one more point. | ||
| Five studies exist on this topic, looking again at the competitive effects of charter schools or private schools on the public school teacher salaries. | ||
| All five of those studies that I've seen on this topic find statistically significant positive effects of competition from private and charter schools on the public school teacher salaries. | ||
| But guess what? | ||
| Common Core. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| Common Core, which was adopted throughout the nation without being tested, never tested. | ||
| Actually ushers in this idea that there shouldn't be competition. | ||
| That was the whole premise of Common Core is that if you go from one school to a different school, the level will be the same. | ||
| Common Core makes it all common. | ||
| And what parent doesn't want their child to be common? | ||
| I mean, seriously, it's baked into the name. | ||
| And yet everybody jumped on to the tune of billions of dollars because let's face it, the education game, the school game in this nation is based on dollars, not on results. | ||
| And so now we have a nation where children are being dissuaded from learning math, that's part of the Common Core agenda, and they're being dissuaded from reading classic literature, and basically they're being shown pornography in schools. | ||
| It's running rampant now. | ||
| And I know that most people say, well, my school's different because I really like the teachers and I really, it's a cute little school and whatever, but you're asleep at the wheel if you're not reading the books that your children are being assigned. | ||
| And if your child comes home with math homework that you can't do, your child thinks you're the stupid one. | ||
| Sam, next thing you're gonna tell me that two plus two doesn't equal five, but we'll save that for a different show. | ||
| I want to shift to something. | ||
| I want to just do two stats that my guys pulled up for me here that sort of sits right below all this, because I think it's really important to talk about. | ||
| So pediatric visitations for mental health concerns are up 24 percent for 5 to 11 year olds and 31 percent for 12 to 17 year olds. | ||
| That's according to the CDC. | ||
| And one in four young adults exhibit exhibited suicidal tendencies during the lockdown, also according to the CDC. | ||
| Everyone knows these stories. | ||
| I feel like we've all heard them or directly experienced them or whatever. | ||
| Now, I know you mostly deal with educators, but obviously you have young children as well. | ||
| What are you seeing on that side of this, the results of these lockdowns? | ||
| The result of these lockdowns is that, well, I mean, twofold. | ||
| Just as you said, mental health issues are skyrocketing. | ||
| And I'm not here, I just want to clarify, I am not here to protect the public school system in any way. | ||
| The whole system is broken. | ||
| I fully agree with all of you in that the system is broken. | ||
| But on the other side of all of this is, like I said, this year the veil was lifted. | ||
| And for me personally, my eyes were awake. | ||
| I have been. | ||
| You know, my kids are third and fourth grade, so they are very small. | ||
| Since the beginning, I have been reading They are coming home with from school saying, okay, that's good, that's fine, that's weird, that's not good, hi teacher, what the heck is this? | ||
| Speaking of, on the other side of this, we need to take, Dave, going back to the statistics about mental health, we need to, as parents, take all of this information and studies and findings that have come to light through this horrible, awful year, and for lack of a better word, ramrod it, Into the faces, and onto the desks, and into the email inboxes, and in person, if we're able to. | ||
| Ramrod it to the union leaders, our government officials, just as Sam mentioned, you know, our school boards. | ||
| I've shown up last week, two weeks ago, I showed up at my school board meeting, the first time they did it in person. | ||
| I read off specific examples of everything wrong that is happening. | ||
| They cut my mic off, okay? | ||
| They cut my mic off. | ||
| I kept talking. | ||
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This is the type of cur... It was a real scene. | |
| It was a lot of fun, let me tell you. | ||
| But this is what we need to keep doing. | ||
| Yes, pay attention to our kids. | ||
| Extra, more so, over the top than we ever did. | ||
| And in order to counter all of this woke nonsense that is going on and all of the devastating effects with kids' mental health, it's devastating, it's crippling, we need to And we need to counter all of it in providing our kids at home what they need in terms of spiritual help, mental help, physical help, teaching our kids American values to offset all of this. | ||
| So, Sam, on the mental health side of this, I feel like there's a lot of people probably watching this, and I'm sure you get this question all the time, that a certain amount of people are very open to homeschooling right now that maybe wouldn't have been a year ago, but they're concerned about the socialization part, that, oh, what do you mean, my kids are just gonna stay at home with each other all day, they're not gonna have recess, they're not gonna be, you know, joking in the back of the class, all of that kind of stuff, which is related, obviously, to mental health as well. | ||
| What do you say to parents about that? | ||
| So I know that there are some children who are extreme extroverts who really crave being in a classroom with 30 other children. | ||
| But I just love that the inevitably the conversation goes to socialization and shouldn't our kids be in school for socialization? | ||
| And of course, my answer is, I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about education, but OK, let's talk about that. | ||
| Homeschooled kids, by and large, are much better socialized than public school children because I don't know how you would think that a sixth grader would learn proper manners and good etiquette from other sixth graders, but they don't. | ||
| And so homeschooled kids tend to associate with children and adults of all ages and therefore they are held accountable and they learn how to behave better. | ||
| In public. | ||
| Now, if you want to argue that going to Yale will get you connections that you wouldn't get going to John Podunk University, I can't argue that. | ||
| But if it's costing you $80,000 a year and you're not actually getting an education, I'm not sure that it's worth it. | ||
| So, you know, there are a lot of ways to come at that question of socialization. | ||
| Unfortunately, I think it's an invalid question To the topic, which is supposed to be education. | ||
| Now, if you want to talk about mental health, I wish our schools cared more about our children. | ||
| Because the schools that aren't opening, aren't opening, and they seem, and they seem to have less care for the mental well-being of children that they proclaim are better served being in school. | ||
| Corey, I feel like you could go in a million directions there. | ||
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| Well, yeah, there's a lot of things I want to say. | ||
| But yeah, I mean, with the whole socialization debate about homeschooling, it always assumes that all forms of public school socialization is positive forms of socialization. | ||
| There's a lot of... | ||
| Plenty of negative examples of socialization that occur in public schools. | ||
| Obedience training, fighting, drugs, gang activity. | ||
| Bullying. | ||
| At home school you get to avoid a lot of the negative forms of socialization as well and capitalize on the positive forms. | ||
| of socialization as determined by best by the parents. | ||
| And I will say with the school reopening debate, look, there have been a lot of costs associated with not giving the families the choice to have in-person instruction over the past year. | ||
| You guys already hit on mental health issues. | ||
| In the fifth largest school district in the U.S., Clark County Public Schools, student suicides over the past year have already doubled. | ||
| And so that's that's a huge statistic. | ||
| And then there's also a lot of other evidence of mental health issues going on. | ||
| But then the learning losses are huge as well. | ||
| If you look at Fairfax County Public Schools in my area the number of students that have the proportion of students that have failed two or more classes since the previous year has increased by 83 percent. | ||
| And that number has increased by 111% for special needs students. | ||
| And similar numbers have been emerging all across the country. | ||
| A nationwide study by McKinsey and Company, two of them actually, have suggested that | ||
| students all across the nation are losing months and months of learning. | ||
| And the learning losses are the worst for students of color and students from low-income | ||
| families as well. | ||
| So this is leading to inequities that were already existing in our public school system. | ||
| And for what? | ||
| Keeping the schools closed has not led to substantial benefits in terms of reducing spread of The community spread or hospitalizations of the coronavirus. | ||
| Tons of evidence, a review of 130 different studies just came out by John Bailey, who is associated with the American Enterprise Institute, and he published this through the Center for Reinventing Public Education. | ||
| The most massive study on the topic, review of the literature, suggesting that schools can safely reopen and that school reopenings are not linked to Significant increases in community transmission of the virus. | ||
| Look, every single family should have that choice of in-person or not. | ||
| And look, the one silver lining from all of this, I think, is that families are fed up with it. | ||
| And they're seeing all of the nonsense about teachers union officials vacationing in Puerto Rico while fighting against going back to work or sending their own kids to in-person private schools and then railing against opening their own schools for work. | ||
| The public schools opening the same school buildings for in-person child care, but not for learning, and then charging families out of pocket. | ||
| Families are seeing all of this, and they're rallying behind school choice, or what I call giving the money to the families so that they can figure it out. | ||
| Well, listen, all three of you guys are doing great work. | ||
| Unfortunately, we're out of time, but I'd love to have you back, because I just think that this topic, it's so important. | ||
| Like if we're gonna fix any of this stuff, and I guess if is the operative word there, then it starts with education. | ||
| So we're gonna link to all your websites and all that good stuff right down below. | ||
| And I thank you guys for joining me and have a great weekend. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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| All right, a little something on education, people. | ||
| I hope you felt that that was enlightening and interesting and that you learned a little something there. | ||
| I thought this was a good sort of threesome, for lack of a better term, because Corey obviously focuses on choice for the most part. | ||
| And well, Jill focuses on educating educators about all of this and has her kids in public school. | ||
| And Sam, of course, is doing the homeschool thing. | ||
| So I thought it was a nice little, a nice little blend. | ||
| I hope you got a little bit of information there. | ||
| And man, it's like this. | ||
| In some ways, this is the issue that, before I said something about how the mental health issue lies above all this, and then there's just the education thing that lies below everything that we're doing right now. | ||
| Like, if kids are not going to be taught any of the proper things, this is what Sam was talking about, if they're not going to be taught any of the proper things, and if 2 plus 2 isn't going to equal 4 anymore, and truth isn't going to be truthful, and there are going to be no empirically truthful things, well then, man, how How are we gonna fix anything else? | ||
| So I hope you got a little something out of this. | ||
| Have a great weekend, everybody, and we're back at 11 a.m. |
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