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Jan. 3, 2019 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin

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dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		All right, people.
		We are live on the World Wide Web.
		YouTube, for as long as they'll let us remain here.
		I'm going to be live for two hours today.
		We got a lot to talk about.
		It's time to get real.
		We're going to level about a few things.
		I'm going to share some insight into sort of what's going on with the show, with Patreon, with the future.
		I know you guys have a bajillion questions, and I've got a lot of answers.
		We'll do Ask Me Anything.
		We're going to do a little fundraising for the show.
		But before I do anything, I feel like most importantly, I just gotta catch you guys up on sort of where we're at at the moment and just briefly a little bit on my adventure to get here and sort of where we're at.
		As most of you guys know, I launched on Patreon.
		We launched the Rubin Report on Patreon about two and a half years ago.
		It was June of 2016.
		And at the time, right before that, we had obviously had the show on The Young Turks for about two years.
		Then we were very briefly at Riot, which was a startup and just, we sort of were going in different directions.
		Everyone there was great, but just didn't work out.
		And then we were at Ora TV.
		And Ora, back in September of 2015, is where I had my first interview with Sam Harris.
		It was the first time I had done a sort of one-on-one interview on camera.
		And that basically, when the show ended, I was like, whoa, that's what I wanna do.
		Like, that's the best thing that I've done.
		It was real, and it was raw, and it was important, and relevant, and true.
		And I was like, that's what we're gonna do.
		And really, that was the day.
		I think, if I'm not mistaken, it was September 9th, 2015 is when our first show on "Aura" went up, it was the one with Sam Harris,
		and my life changed.
		And that's where the show started blowing up and then subsequently, you know,
		we started going more and more into the free speech space and then all of the things that I now care about.
		We stayed at "Aura" till about May of 2016.
		And at that point I realized, "Aura" was great by the way, and we were at "Aura" because Larry King,
		who is the greatest interviewer of all time, bar none, he welcomed us there.
		I mean, he welcomed me to do an interview show on his network.
		Pretty freaking great.
		And Larry's become obviously a friend and mentor to me.
		In any event, The show was really blowing up and what we realized was basically was that we were sort of getting bigger than the network at some level.
		And I thought, you know what, we could do this alone.
		I want to own the show.
		I want to control what we're doing.
		I want to be my own boss and figure out how to grow a business here and all of these things.
		And then we launched on Patreon in June of 2016.
		And the night before we launched on Patreon, I said to David and Amira, who joined me, left their jobs,
		we all quit our jobs and left our health insurance and all that stuff just to try this thing.
		And we had no idea whether it was gonna work.
		I said to them, man, I may have really screwed up the night before we launched.
		I was like, I don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow.
		But within hours of launching, we realized that we were gonna hit our fundraising measures,
		the markers that we wanted to hit.
		And then we went independent.
		We rented a studio for about six months after that.
		And then when we fully, fully, fully achieved independence was two years ago, almost, it was two years ago in November.
		So a little over two years ago when we were able to buy this house.
		And now we.
		Absolutely control and own and operate everything that we're doing.
		I'm super proud of the small business that we've created here.
		The same things that I talk about, about personal responsibility and limited government and all of these things and the classical liberal and libertarian ideas that I that I talk about all the time are the same ways that I try
		to run my business.
		We pay 100% of our employees health insurance. We've got part-timers, full-timers, all these
		things. And I'm just thrilled and elated about everything that's happened here.
		Now, I should mention, because I think most of you are watching this right now because of the
		Patreon situation, that for the two plus years that we were on Patreon, everything was fine.
		There was the incident where they booted Lauren Southern off the platform, and I had Jack Conte, a little about a year and a half ago, sit in that chair right over there and tell me that they were not going to police speech on their platform.
		That what Lauren had done was taken part in what he termed manifest observable behavior, meaning behavior, not just words, behavior that she had partaken in.
	I don't even want to get into the specifics of everything that she did or didn't do.
	It doesn't even matter, actually.
	But he said words themselves.
	He said to me, I think he said it on camera, but he certainly said it off camera, I would never run the risk of being booted.
	Now, first off, He's just one guy that happens to run the company right now.
	That's nice to hear, I suppose.
	But also, it's like, well, I don't want to be on a platform that everyone else might be getting booted off of, but I'm just getting some assurance that I'm safe.
	I think you do know that I care about free speech and free expression and all that.
	So anyway, he said manifest observable behavior is what will get you booted if you do something off platform that's an actual action, not just words.
	Manifest observable behavior, MOB, the acronym MOB.
	Mob behavior, you can't make that up, but that's what they said would do it.
	Anyway, a couple weeks ago, I guess it's about a month and a half ago now, beginning of December, Patreon-booted Sargon of Akkad, Carl Benjamin, who also has sat in that seat over there and who I've done collaborations with over the years, who's a classical liberal from the UK who years ago When I was still on The Young Turks and I was really waking up to what was going on with the left related to free speech and calling everyone a racist and a bigot and a homophobe and the rest of it and realizing how illiberal the liberals had become, everybody online was saying, you've got to talk to Sargon of Akkad.
	He's the guy.
	He's been doing it forever.
	He's putting up all these videos.
	Anyway, I did talk to him and I think that that actually started some of my success in this space.
	Anyway, about a month and a half ago, they booted him off Patreon with no warning.
	Because he used the n-word on a video from February, so from about 10 months prior, on someone else's channel, not his channel, and not a video that was even posted to Patreon.
	Now, he used the word because he was using the alt-right's language against him.
	This guy is against the alt-right.
	He's an old-school liberal.
	I don't want to even get into every little specific of every little thing that he has said, but he is someone that debates alt-right people, okay?
	But the real point here is not even the specifics of the words, it's that it's something that he said off-platform, not even on his own channel.
	So it wasn't like he was doing something on his channel that wasn't on Patreon and they said, well you're funding that through Patreon.
	It was something that was on someone else's channel altogether.
	They booted him, there was no recourse, there was no warning, and this was obviously just a A truly massive move of the line.
	Sam Harris cancelled his Patreon a couple weeks ago.
	Jordan Peterson and I have announced that we are cancelling our Patreon on January 15th.
	This is the engine of the show.
	We're 100% fan funded here.
	We're 100% independent.
	Really, it's independence more than anything else because of you guys.
	So this is a major risk that I'm taking.
	I'm voluntarily giving up about 60 to 70% of our monthly rev because I think it's the right thing to do.
	And I know that a lot of you guys are with me.
	So there's a really interesting thing happening right now.
	I'm watching our monthly rev go down, but I'm feeling very inspired because I'm getting so many messages from you guys who are telling me, you know, I'm gonna stand up for something just like you are.
	So it's pretty cool.
	Okay.
	So let me just do a couple little pimp shout-outs right here up top just to tell you what we're doing, and then we'll go more back into the story and everything else.
	So first off, we are closing our Patreon January 15th.
	We are trying to move everybody over to DaveRubin.com slash donate.
	And what that's all about is it doesn't solve the biggest problems related to censorship yet.
	It doesn't solve the biggest problems related to payment processors and things like that.
	But it does remove one portion of the middleman here.
	We don't need Patreon anymore.
	It's not like anyone's discovering us on Patreon.
	They're taking a cut of the money and they're doing practices that I don't believe in.
	So we're trying to get as many people as possible that have supported us on Patreon or new people over to DaveRubin.com slash donate and help support the show.
	We'll see what happens.
	There are many other ways that I can go about supporting the show.
	I could be reading ads and I could be joining networks and all those things.
	I like being independent.
	I think we've done something really cool here and it's really on you guys to see what the future will hold.
	So what we're going to do though for this live stream is if you donate 25 bucks monthly While we're doing this live stream for the next two hours, you are going to get a Rubin Report Rubin Select t-shirt.
	Now these were the t-shirts.
	There are a limited amount of these that will never be printed again because these were the t-shirts that we were giving away to our patrons.
	So there's a couple hundred of them left.
	And if you donate $25 or more monthly while I'm doing this you're gonna get a t-shirt.
	I should be selling like crock pots or something.
	I'm wearing that t-shirt right now as you can see.
	And if you donate $50 or more right now during this live stream we're gonna send you a Rubin Report mug.
	This is a select member mug that was only for our patrons.
	We've got a couple hundred of them left.
	I'm gonna sign it for you right here and give you a shout out.
	And anyone that donates say five bucks or more during the live stream, I will give you a shout out as well.
	So I've got a trusty iPad here.
	My team's going to be sending me names, telling me what you guys are doing.
	I'll answer all your questions related to all of this.
	I just think...
	It is time to take a stand.
	It is just time to take a stand.
	I don't take any great pleasure in this.
	I don't wanna fight Patreon.
	I don't wanna fight Google.
	I don't wanna fight any of these things.
	I wanna do a talk show.
	I wanna have some fun, enjoy my life.
	But it's like, enough of this.
	This ever encroaching movement on what we can say and who's allowed to be on what platform to say this or that.
	And it's coming from more and more people who are not bigots or racists or anything even close to that.
	Although I would defend bigots and racists' right to speech as well.
	It's coming for people that just have some thoughts that are a little bit outside of sort of the leftist progressive dogma that has just completely taken over academia and certainly everything going on in Silicon Valley.
	So please do, for the next two hours while we're here, I'll give you a shout out by name at DaveRubin.com slash donate for five bucks and above.
	25 bucks and above monthly you're getting a t-shirt 50 bucks above and monthly you are getting a t-shirt and a mug which I will sign right here for you and Oh quickly already.
	We got some shoutouts James Megan Jeffrey David Beverly Holly and John welcome aboard guys.
	Thank you very much.
	I do appreciate it Okay Let's see, so here's how I'm going to jump in with some questions.
	I'm going to start with questions from patrons right now because you guys have been the lifeblood of this thing and I see some questions popping up there.
	First, I admire you leaving.
	Do they still have you on the front page?
	I guess a couple people were saying that Patreon was still using me as someone that they were publicizing on the front page.
unidentified		I don't know.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's funny.
		I sort of had a love-hate relationship with them this whole time because I never truly felt they really wanted us, say the Sams and the Jordans and the Bret Weinsteins and me.
		I never really felt that they kind of wanted us on there because they are a lefty Silicon Valley thing, so I don't know that they're using me or not
		right now to pimp out this stuff, but they never followed me on Twitter, which always really bothered me.
		I was like, I'm making you guys a lot of money, like what are you doing?
		Anyway, that's just like silly little dribble.
		Okay, so, but the point is we're gonna stay on there 'til January 15th, and then that day we'll shut it down.
		And also, I do want to address something.
		I saw a couple people say, well, Sam did the right thing because he just immediately deleted it.
		And I think it's worth mentioning that we all, God bless him for doing that.
		God bless him, the atheist, for doing that.
		You know, we all have different considerations.
		I have a business here with several employees.
		Actually, the day that we found this out, I was in, I was speaking either that night or the night before, I was in Montana, speaking at the University of Wyoming, and we had just sent a part-timer, one of our part-timers, a full-time employment contract.
		So in the midst of this, I'm just committing to a another full-time person as I see all this.
		So we all just have different considerations that we're dealing with,
		but I think we're doing the right thing.
		And by the way, I also don't begrudge any of the people that want to stay on Patreon and fight.
		So I have plenty of friends that are gonna, I think, do just that, or at least doing it at the moment.
		Say, Brett Weinstein and Colin Moriarty and plenty of other people.
		If you can stay and fight and change them, we can all have different tactics on how we want to go about this rope-a-dope.
		I think some of us leaving is probably good.
		I think some people trying to fight and stay and change is probably good.
		It's all there.
		Shoutouts to Jason, to Wim, to Hakan, who is getting a t-shirt and a mug.
		That's right, my man.
		I'm gonna sign that mug for you right now.
		This is a Reuben select member mug that will never be printed again because it was for Patreon.
		It has been signed and it's going to you, my man.
		Thank you very much.
		Okay.
		Let's see, I'll jump on another Patreon one.
		I see a lot coming in on Super Chat too, which is great, so I'll get to those.
		Will you have the opportunity to pay through PayPal?
		Yeah, if you go to DaveRubin.com slash donate, you can just use a credit card or you can use PayPal there, and you're good to go.
		So I should address, actually, that's a good point.
		So, look, there's a couple things happening here.
		One of the parts of censorship that we have to deal with is what's going on with these tech companies.
		Are people being shadow banned on Twitter?
		Are the algorithms not showing certain videos?
		Are people getting unsubscribed?
		All of these things that you guys know all about.
		Now, Glenn.
		I say this all the time, these companies are allowed to do what they want.
		I would like them to sort of uphold the principles of free speech that I hold dear, but I don't know that I can force a private company to do that.
		Now, if they were doing shady things and the boards of these companies, the shareholders of these companies found out, well now maybe there might be some legal issues, there would be some internal issues for sure.
		But I don't think that the government coming in and breaking up these companies is the right answer.
		There could be certain legal things within that.
		I'm not a lawyer.
		That might have to be looked at, okay?
		Now, as far as the payment processor part of this, so that's just the speech part of it, right?
		That's how can people be on platforms and be allowed to talk.
		So it's like a guy like Carl Benjamin, it's like, if this guy isn't allowed to be on platforms, then probably you watching this and half of the people you know, and that may include me, can't be on these platforms.
		That's why this was important for For somebody to start standing up to some of this stuff.
		The next level of this though, so we have to deal with the platforms themselves.
		Who can be on platforms and what are you allowed to do on these platforms?
		And they can all have different terms of service.
		Should future platforms maybe only have to obey the laws of the land?
		So anyone can say whatever they want except you can't make say a direct threat or you can't do a fire alarm in a movie theater type thing.
		or inspire a terrorist attack, something like that, or call for a terrorist attack.
		That would be an interesting way to do it.
		Should a terms of service have more to do with the statement of principles
		that the University of Chicago has put out defending free speech?
		Possibly.
	So all of these things have to be dealt with and thought about and all of that.
	The other part of this issue, though, is the payment processor part of this.
	Um...
	Because it turns out now, and this is very annoying because nobody wants to fight MasterCard and Visa and the rest of it, I assure you I don't, that you can catch, there is a tweet that at one time over the summer, I think it was in August, that Patreon tweeted to Robert Spencer, who is not Richard Spencer, the alt-right guy, Robert Spencer, who is a New York Times bestselling author, now he happens to write a lot about Islam, but he's a New York Times bestselling author, They tweeted to him that they had to close their account and they said, unfortunately, because of pressure from MasterCard.
	So now it's like, wait a minute.
	Are we gonna be policing speech to the point that people won't even be able to make money, that people will not be able to exchange in commerce and in goods?
	Well, now we've really ramped this thing up.
	So these are major, major, major things that people better start thinking about, that I know you watching this are thinking about, but everyone better start thinking about these things before it's too late.
	Okay, couple shout-outs.
	Jacob, Raquel, Earl, Ann, Edward, Sean, Glenn, Joe, Jeffrey, Taylor.
	Taylor's getting a mug.
	I'm signing that mug for Taylor right now.
	What did I do with the marker?
	Here we go.
	Thank you, Taylor.
	I appreciate that.
	You're getting a mug, my friend.
	And Morgan's getting a mug.
	All right, Morgan, here we go.
	And guys, I truly, I just want to be clear.
	First off, I just want to be clear about how truly appreciative of your support I am.
	You guys make this thing go.
	If you believe in resetting some of the national conversation into something decent, if you believe that we can actually change the world through ideas as I believe, you're supporting the show because hopefully this gets out to more people.
	And I can promise you that it is.
	Trust me, I just did this world tour with Jordan where we're gonna continue this
	and it was probably another 40 or 50 stops in the spring and we're doing about 10 stops in Australia in February.
	And it's like everywhere we went, every airport I went, whether it was in Helsinki or Stockholm
	or Copenhagen or Dublin, it's like people were coming up to us
	and it's like, there's something happening here.
	Something good really is happening.
	And people want to stand up for what they believe in.
	And people want to fight for ideas that they care about.
	And people want to know more and not be bludgeoned by the mainstream media that makes everyone dumb.
	And not be called a racist every time you say something that's slightly out of what mainstream can accept.
	In the statement that I wrote that we released to our patrons, you guys have quite literally made my dreams come true because I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing.
	I can't possibly be more appreciative of that.
	Okay.
	Hey Dave, if the social justice warrior ideology has infected Visa and MasterCard and can cut funding or services to whomever they please, what legal recourse is there if there are no alternatives?
	It's downright disturbing for it to have come to this.
	Okay, so as I said, I'm not a lawyer, but there are lawyers looking into some of this stuff.
	Look, they have their own agreements.
	Like when you sign up for a credit card, you sign some crazy agreement that nobody has a lawyer sitting there with.
	So can these companies do what they want?
	There is relationships with government agencies related to these companies.
	So there's probably something to look at there.
	I would say, and I'm hearing a lot of this, especially on Twitter, Is that maybe the endgame of all of this is that the only way to truly, truly be a free creator, now whatever that means, whatever you create, so in this case creating video and audio content, is that you would be posting it on the blockchain and also doing all your financial transactions on the blockchain through Bitcoin and Ethereum and Litecoin and everything else.
	We're learning about it.
	I have a zillion meetings tomorrow, basically all day long tomorrow.
	I'm going to be talking to crypto people and we're trying to figure out all that.
	So by right now, by closing Patreon, I'm doing it to remove a middleman and do something that I just think is the right thing to do.
	We're pushing everybody to our website, which doesn't solve the long, long-term problems if payment processors come for us and things like that.
	But think how crazy This conversation is.
	I actually have to entertain the idea that payment processors could come for me or anyone in my crew that you know of, or come for you.
	How crazy is that?
	That's crazy.
	We're not doing something evil and twisted here.
	We're doing actually what you're supposed to do in a free society, which is talk about things.
	Switching everybody over, Doesn't solve the long long-term problem But we're also as as I discussed with Jordan and you can watch the two videos that are on our channel and on Jordan's channel We're working on some technological answers to this.
	I think that there may be multi multi pronged and sort of multi-layered versions of how we're gonna put all of this out that maybe, you know, maybe we'll have everything on the traditional platforms and be putting up everything on blockchain.
	There's all sorts of ways we're trying to hit this.
	And trust me, the amount of people that have reached out to me, that work at Google, that work at Facebook, that work at Yahoo, that are tech startup people, that are just regular folks in the middle of nowhere, It's like, man, people see an opportunity here and this is what freedom's all about, right?
	Someone is going to solve this.
	I hope that I'm part of it, right?
	Like, I hope the right thing comes across here or the right idea pops and it's like, I'm part of the thing that solves this.
	But if you watching this right now, if you can solve this freaking thing, I'll join you on that platform.
	Like, let's figure this thing out together.
	Okay.
	Shoutouts Alex, Christine, Brian, Jenna, Christopher, Paige, Michael, James, Neil.
	Thank you guys.
	Neil in California.
	He's getting a mug.
	I'm gonna do that right now.
	Also, Drew and Glenn are getting mugs.
	Thank you guys.
	I signed that one already.
	So, okay.
	There we go.
	That's for Neil.
	Where's this one?
	Hold on.
	I got, I'm gonna need more mugs.
	This is for Glenn.
	There you go, brother.
	Thank you very much.
	And one more.
unidentified		All right.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		You're getting the full Dave Rubin signature right there.
		You know, the other piece of this thing that's interesting is that, you know, everyone, as I said, everyone has different considerations.
		Everyone does things differently.
		So, like, I've had all these networks reaching out to me.
		I don't want to name them right now, but I know right now that there are a couple of different networks that are sort of vying for me to join them.
		The fact that I can make my own schedule, that In December, we basically pre-taped.
		I think we did some of the best shows we've ever done in December.
		Most of them were pre-taped because I had done all sorts of travel with Jordan and we're doing more travel.
		We're going to try to do some more stuff on the road.
		I can make every decision that I think is right because of the freedom that you guys are affording me.
		So please don't think that that is lost on me because it's awesome.
		Have I talked to Sargon lately?
		We've traded a couple emails and I think at some point we'll probably do a Skype chat.
		But we were sort of waiting for a little bit of the dust to settle here and we'll figure it out.
		So yes, we will do something with him.
		Any information on Professor's goals to develop slash back an alternative platform as well as a funding strategy for said product?
		So I can't get into all of this right now.
		Suffice to say that as I discussed with Jordan, we are working on something.
		He was building out something.
		already that had some of the technological needs that we would need for a Patreon-like platform.
		But there's all sorts of questions here.
		I will be very honest with you guys.
		Is the idea that we should be building a platform that absolutely everyone should be on,
		that then becomes the home of all sorts of nefarious activities and bad people.
		Now that, let's say it's within the realm of legality at least, right?
		Like, okay, in principle I can get there, but it's like, do I want to be the leader of that platform?
		And also, when it gets to the moment where there has to be actual gatekeeping, where somebody does something that's really bananas, it's like, do I want to be the guy, or do I want to be on the board of the group that has to make the decision to boot people?
		Like, I don't know that that's exactly for me, but again, this is why blockchain might resolve some of these things, so we'll figure out some of that.
		Okay, a couple other shoutouts.
		Angelo, Adam, John, and John, and Ian, and a couple more mugs.
		Peter, Drew, and Christian.
		I'm gonna need more mugs, guys.
		We're running low on mugs here.
		We only put about 20 here to start.
		Okay, we got that one, that one.
		Drew, there you go, my man.
		And I'm gonna need another mug for Christian.
		Okay.
		Here we go.
		Just subscribed at DaveRubin.com.
		Donate for 25 bucks a month.
		Keep up the excellent work and the good fight.
		You got it, my friend.
		Thank you for your hard work in putting your principles ahead of the money.
		Let me just address that quick, because I said this before.
		you can just toss them down, we're good.
		I said this before, but, you know, it's funny, like--
		So in the last couple weeks, our Patreon, when we got on Patreon, as I said, in June of 2016, Patreon was mostly like video gamers and some other interesting creators, but not a lot of political people.
		I think I was really one of the first, if not the first, from sort of the more political free speech space to get on there.
		And then once I got on there, that sort of broke the dam and then a whole bunch of other people got on.
		We got to our original funding goal.
		I think we originally asked for 20 grand a month.
		Eventually we moved that up to $30,000 a month.
		That helped me literally buy this house, build this studio.
		We've been able to redo the studio, hire full-timers, part-timers, all of those things because of you guys.
		But what I was also realizing along the road was that why... You know what?
		It's not even worth... What I was realizing basically was, it's like, Even if this was all going great, why shouldn't we absolutely control everything we're doing?
		Why not take that last step to true independence?
		Hey Dave, as much as I hate the idea of government intervention, is it time for the government to look into the deplatforming issue?
		Or is that too much of a slippery slope?
		I think this might be the digital conversation to have in 2019.
		As I said in the video with Jordan, what kind of internet do you want?
		What kind of ability to communicate with other people do you want?
	We're going to really have to start thinking about it.
	Now, look, from a libertarian perspective, The idea that the government would come in and break up these companies or force them to do anything, it makes no sense from a libertarian perspective.
	From a classical liberal perspective where you're more okay with a light touch of the government, there could be some argument that makes sense.
	Certainly from a more conservative argument, conservatives generally are anti-government but then are okay often with breaking up monopolies and things like that.
	Okay, there is.
	Now, from a lefty perspective, you'd love to have the government involved in everything.
	My feeling still, right now, even though I'm right in the thick of this thing and it would be nice to have like, you know, some superpower just come in and fix the whole damn thing.
	Is that I believe in human ingenuity.
	This problem will be solved.
	There are people watching this.
	I have no doubt there are people watching this that work at Google, that work at all of these companies, that want to solve these things.
	I don't think everyone is a social justice warrior.
	I don't think everyone wants to be this hysterical, preening, moraling monster that is writing these terms of services, that is deciding who can speak and who won't speak and all of these things.
	So I think that ingenuity is the way to do it.
	There's always an argument to be made that the government should jump in and do these things.
	And I just think that if you give the government more power, right, you give the government more power, the government does not give that power back.
	So you have to be very, very, very careful.
	That said, look, PragerU sued YouTube over restricting their videos.
	I love Dennis Prager.
	We, I think, just have a difference of opinion on that.
	And that's just how it is.
unidentified		All right.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		I got some more mugs here.
		So here we go.
		Stephen and Kenny, you're getting mugs.
		Thank you guys very much.
		I appreciate it.
		That's for you, Stephen.
		There you go, brother.
		And Kenny, you're getting a mug.
		There we go.
unidentified		All right.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		And you're getting a t-shirt, too.
		Super chat.
		Thanks, Dave.
		You got it.
		Love the show.
		All right.
		Love Dave and the ID Double.
		Civil discourse among people with disparate ideas.
		Why not?
unidentified		Right.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		I'm getting a lot of thank yous here.
		There's a lot of thank yous, but I want to get to some questions.
		Do you think you and Jordan will make a big enough dent to Patreon if they're forced to change their ways because of the exit, pegxit, would you return?
		So this is interesting.
		So look, when we started this thing, when this thing all hit at the beginning of December, I think we were at that point, we were making around 30 grand a month on Patreon.
		Now, of course, that sounds like a lot of money, right?
		So 30 grand a month times 12 months, we're looking at about 400, No, it's 360 grand a year, something like that, right?
		Now, that is obviously a lot of money.
		Now, when I tell you that I have employees and mortgages and insurance and all of that other nonsense to make a business, it's actually not that much money, but I'm not sitting here complaining, and this isn't Crimea River or anything like that.
		Now, they get a small, you know, whatever it was.
		They get, let's say, 5% of that or something like that, and then some other fees on top of that.
		Jordan, I don't know exactly what he was making per month, but I know it was more than that.
		Sam was probably in that category as well.
		Are all of us leaving, and whoever else is leaving, I think Tim Poole left, I think some other people are planning on leaving, are all of us leaving going to cause enough of a dent in their finances to have them turn around?
		Now if I'm not mistaken, but someone can check on this, Patreon got about 450 million dollars in VC funding in the last like year or two.
		So let's say we cause them to lose a couple hundred grand or even a couple million this year, And people are really pissed at them.
		If they really have just bought into social justice and bought into this language control and all of this nonsense, it's like a couple million bucks probably doesn't hurt them at all.
		And if anything, the people who are funding them might be thrilled that they're getting us off these platforms.
		So that's why I think it's completely legit for some people to say, I'm going to stay here and fight, and for some people to go.
		It's like any other movement of any time, right?
		Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr.
		didn't agree on every tactic, and I'm in no way comparing us to them.
		But you know what I mean?
		This is just how things, how every battle is fought.
		You have people that wanna be more aggressive.
		You have people that wanna change things from the inside.
		You have people that wanna leave and come from the outside.
		You have all of those different dynamics.
		So we're all gonna try.
		Look, the fact that nobody's from Patreon has reached out to me, nobody's reached out to Jordan.
		I don't think anyone reached out to Sam.
		I think in a weird way they're mostly probably happy that we're going, but that doesn't mean it's a reason to stay.
		I think you just you got to do what you think is right.
		I really do believe that.
		What are your options after Patreon?
		So as I said, At the moment, we want to shift as many of you guys to monthly donations at DaveRubin.com slash donate, which by the way, we're taking Bitcoin there as well.
		And then the hope is that we will solve the long-term problem, which I think is probably a crypto answer.
		But in the meantime, there are many other ways of doing subscription things.
		We're going to try to figure out, I mean, I know one of the reasons that people loved Patreon was you had access to an ad-free version of the podcast.
		So we're going to look into that.
		We're gonna look into a couple other things related to what other things we can do for you guys.
		But at the moment it's about getting everybody, just getting everybody to move over and then hopefully whatever we build on the other side of that we'll be able to just flip the info.
		So like, so Stripe is the payment processor we're using.
		I think they're pretty decent and I think that they're gonna offer us some protections and that hopefully what we build after we'd be able to fold in the info that we have from you guys on Stripe into the next thing.
		Um, okay!
		What will you do if Richard Spencer or David Duke signs up as a creator on your platform?
		Will you remove them or leave them on?
		So first off, this is about the thing that Jordan and I are working on.
		We are working through all of these problems.
		We are trying to decide if this should be an invite-only platform or should it be up to everybody.
		As I said before, there are major issues related to terms of service and all of these things.
		So I don't want to comment on that specifically yet because it's being worked out.
		at the moment. I think you know me. I think you guys know me well enough that I will do everything
		I can to defend everyone's right to be able to say what they want. That does not mean there
		aren't going to be consequences and I also believe that private companies can do what they want.
		There is the question of platform versus publisher here which is really interesting.
		As I said in the thing with Jordan the other day, to loosely quote Eric Weinstein, should conservatives be allowed to drive on public roads?
		I mean, at some point, should conservatives, or conservatives or anyone that's outside of the mainstream, should they be allowed to have access to telephones and running water at their house and all of these things?
		Because that's how important these modes of communication, these platforms are.
		It's like, this is your way to connect with the world.
		And if they're allowed to say you can't connect with the world, Well, what else are they allowed to hold off on you on?
		So, it's a lot to think about.
		It's a lot to think about for sure.
		All right, let me jump back in.
	We've got a lot of shout-outs here.
	Trevor, Lucas, Patrick, Jeffrey, Conservative Mexican, Henry, John, Chris, Patricia, another Jeffrey, Roy, Milko, Arthur, Rick, Bert, Alexander, Vicky, John, Robert, Luke, Ross, Dagfin, Ernie, Thomas, Sean, Rod, and Nicholas.
	Thank you guys for donating while we're doing this.
	Just a reminder in case you're just jumping in, if you donate at daverubin.com slash donate for 25 bucks monthly, you're going to get the Rubin Report shirt.
	There's only about 200 of these left on earth.
	They will never be made again because these were the Patreon shirts that we were given to our patrons.
	So since we're leaving Patreon, we're not going to print any more of these.
	And if you do $50 and above monthly on You're gonna get the shirt and I'm gonna sign a mug for you right here.
	Okay.
	Timothy and Bonnie, thank you guys.
	Let's see.
	Hi Dave, I appreciate how thoughtful you've been with your decision to leave Patreon.
	I agree with you that there's a solution to the deplatforming issue on Patreon and other sites.
	Have you seen today's headline about Michaela Peterson's brief suspension from YouTube?
	So I did see that.
	So Jordan looped me in.
	I know Michaela.
	Obviously through Jordan.
	Mikayla is Jordan's daughter.
	Mikayla has a YouTube channel and has been a big proponent of the carnivore diet, which she, I don't want to misquote her at all here, but she basically has been eating exclusively red meat and it has solved a lot of her health problems.
	She had all sorts of health problems.
	I think rheumatoid arthritis and a whole bunch of other things.
	And through this diet, it has seriously helped her.
	She's been on Joe Rogan talking about it and a whole bunch of other things.
	Her channel got a strike two days ago, or it might have even been yesterday.
	And she was going to be temporarily banned or something for three months.
	And of course, YouTube doesn't know why.
	Or doesn't tell you why.
	And this is why all of this is so tough to deal with.
	So even me right now.
	So we're about to cross a million subscribers.
	Obviously the show's doing incredibly well.
	Last month was I think our second or third best month in subscribers and views and all that stuff.
	I don't even have a personal contact at YouTube.
	If I have a problem with YouTube, I have to fill out a generic form that they just send you some robotic answer back.
	I don't even have an email or a name of someone at YouTube to contact.
	That's the problem.
	These companies have become so big that they operate as a sort of monolithic government.
	Now again, do I think that the government coming in and breaking up those companies will somehow make them better?
	Do I think the government that doesn't really understand technology, if they could only break up technology companies, would make any of this better?
	Or if government regulators had to come in and audit YouTube every now and again and say, you know, you have to give Dave Rubin a personal contact number.
	It's like, I don't think any of that is the answer, but I think by talking about these issues, this is the funny thing, you see this all the time, when you talk about that competition is the answer, then you'll see all these people that'll be like, oh, see, you free market people, you don't want the government involved, you're not allowed to complain, and it's like, no, you're supposed to, that's what you do in a free society, you exercise your freedom to hopefully change things for the better, which is exactly what we're doing here.
	Shoutouts to Anthony, Andrew, Robert, Chris, and Lori.
	And Conservative Mexican, he just upgraded his mug status, so I'm gonna sign him a mug.
	Thank you, Conservative Mexican.
	You know, I gotta tell you guys, since your name is Conservative Mexican there, I have met a lot of Conservative Mexicans in the last year that I did not really know were out there.
	Either at my stand-up shows or at the Peterson shows.
	I've met a lot of, not only Mexicans, I've met a lot of conservative Latino people.
	Oh, and actually, speaking of stand-up, if you're in Ontario, California, which is Southern Cali, about half hour, 45 minutes from L.A., I will be there on January 9th doing stand-up and then a live sit-down with Brett Weinstein on January 9th.
	And on January 30th, I will be in Irvine County I will be in Irvine, which is in Orange County, California, and there will be a surprise IDW guest with me there, too.
	The stand-up shows have just been great.
	I'm getting back to my roots.
	I promise you it's a stand-up show like you have not seen.
	It's sort of just a free-for-all.
	I just sort of do a town hall.
	I tell a couple jokes, but I'm just messing around with the crowd.
	I give stuff away, and it's completely politically incorrect, and we're just having a ball, and I think you'll enjoy it.
	Robert, you're getting a mug!
	Here you go, Robert.
	Thank you very much.
	Okay.
	I felt that was a particularly good signature.
	Here we go.
	Let's see.
	Man, there's a zillion, look at this, questions just flying in here.
	Hey Dave, will there be a video slash live stream of you shutting down the Patreon account on the 15th?
	So we've been discussing that.
	I actually think it would be pretty cool if I have my laptop and I literally just like walk up to the camera over there and press delete.
	So we have a whole bunch of scheduling things going on.
	January is completely bananas because I'm gonna be in Australia for most of February so we're taping a ton of stuff in January so that we have content obviously for February but I think we'll probably do that.
	I want to make sure that there aren't technical reasons why we couldn't do that but yes I think we're gonna try to do that.
	Thanks for stepping up and being a leader in this freedom of speech and helping us all have a voice.
	You know, I have nothing better to do.
	That's really the truth.
	Why have you and Jordan not performed in Germany yet?
	2019?
	Yeah, I think we're going to be in Germany either in May or June.
	We're working out the rest of that European tour.
	Let's see.
	Holy cow, there's a lot here.
	How can we get in on the beta test version of your and JP's Patreon alternative?
	I think there will be an answer to that probably within the next month or so.
	I think they'll probably end up being a landing page and sort of an invite only to the beta, so hang tight on that.
	I mean, it's not just, not only do you have to build tech and solve these problems and address terms of service, it's like there's a whole bunch of other stuff you got to figure out about branding, we got a business to build, like there's a million, a million, million things.
	So I think our one sort of Slight mistake was that in the first video that I did with Jordan, Jordan said that he was gonna try or thought it was possible that maybe we could get it out by December 25th or January 1st.
	That was probably a little bit over-ambitious just because we really wanted to solve a problem, so it was like, holy cow, can we do this quick and just get some bare-bones thing up?
	And then when we really thought about it, it's like, you really do have to be methodical and you wanna make sure that all of those pressure points That you can be taken down on either technologically or because of the mob or everything else or because the media is going to come after you.
	You want to make sure that you're covering all your bases here.
	So we are covering our bases.
	I promise you that.
	Ben, are you ready for a mug?
	I'm sending you a mug.
	Thank you, Ben.
	All right, there you go.
	I'm gonna need more mugs, guys.
	And you're getting a t-shirt, too.
	Everyone that gets a mug gets a t-shirt.
	DaveRubin.com slash donate is where you're gonna do that.
	Superchat, happy new year.
	Thank you very much.
	I absolutely love your show.
	How do I get my wife to watch your show?
	And you put that part in caps.
	I like that.
	That's funny.
	You know, I get a lot of messages from people that are having problems.
	I get messages from people that are getting divorced over politics because it's usually, not always, the case is that the woman is a lefty, SJW, the whole thing, and that the man has been trying to, you know, show her some of these videos or just break her out of that mindset.
	It's not always That way with the female on one side and the male on the other.
	But I've literally gotten messages of people that are getting divorced over politics, which is sad.
	And it's also like, that's why not everything should be political.
	And it's why if you look at my Twitter, I don't tweet about the political machinations every day.
	I don't think I've tweeted once about the government shutdown.
	It's like politics is starting to become incredibly boring to me.
	What is interesting to me is what is happening culturally and what is happening with the way we relate to government, with the way we relate to these platforms and the way we relate to conversation and our ability to communicate with each other.
	That is really interesting to me.
	The little machinations of politics, it's like, man, you've got...
	You've got half the country that says Trump is Hitler, which is so absolutely bananas ridiculous.
	And at the same time, their answer is they always want more government.
	And it's like, no, you should always want to strip the power away so that when it's somebody you don't like, they don't have a lot of power.
	And then the trade-off is when it's somebody you do like, maybe they can't get everything done that you want in your utopian society.
	Okay.
	Shout out to Noel, Elle, Cherise, Mike, E. Wayne, Christian, Linda, Mike, Chris, Peter, Nicholas, and Paul.
	Thank you guys very much.
	I really do appreciate it.
	Okay, a lot of people are saying that I should delete the Patreon account online, so maybe I'll do it.
	I'll just bust out the laptop and just do it in front of you guys.
	That would actually be pretty fun.
	There's a lot of super chats coming in.
	I'm trying to read them here.
	Let's see.
	Freedom of speech is worth a bit of inconvenience.
	Close my Patreon account after January 1st auto payments and also PayPal since they're complicit.
	Well, look, this is the payment processor thing.
	And believe me, I did not know a tremendous amount about payment processing until the last couple of weeks.
	And there are certain payment processors that are a little more willing to stand up to the mobs.
	Some of them aren't.
	If an entire company has been sort of infected by the progressive dogma, then they're going to drop anybody at the first Sign of trouble so we're talking to all sorts of people as I said yes tomorrow I have just an insane day basically from 8 a.m.
	To the end of the day just taking calls and taking video chats with all sorts of people that think they have solutions and so now it's like I've got like as if I wasn't busy enough between the tour and I'm writing the book and I'm doing the show and doing stand-up it's like now I have this alternate job as like a as like a tech guy which is quite bizarre but life is strange.
	Let's see, I'm a strong conservative that has changed some of my beliefs because of your show.
	Well, I appreciate that.
	You know, it's...
	It's cool, you know, it's funny, there was this data and society ridiculous report that was funded by some Soros group, doesn't matter, that did all this, this whole thing about how YouTube is converting people into the alt-right, and they somehow connected, they just use lines to connect people that have talked to each other, so I'm connected to Joe Rogan, and this guy's connected to Tim Pool, and this guy's connected to Sam Harris, and this guy's connected to this, and it's like, there was no methodology behind it.
	Of course, Ezra Klein at Vox tweets out how important of a study it is, and all this endless, Bullshit, and BuzzFeed does pieces on it, and the rest of it, and the whole idea being that you're watching this show, that you, person watching this right now, are watching this show, you're watching the conversations that I have, listening to the things that I talk about, or my guests talk about, and somehow you're being radicalized to the alt-right.
	That you're hearing about the individual, and that we should treat people as individuals, and treat everybody equally, and should not be racist, and we should not be prejudiced, and all of these things, and that somehow that's turning you alt-right.
	Of course it's dribble.
	There was actually, Tim Pool did a video on this, there was a guy who recently did a true analysis of a lot of these channels and it turns out in many cases when people watch these shows you have people that are more hardcore right, let's say, that are actually shifting a little bit more liberal.
	It's all just drivel, but I will tell you this, that the focus, you know, it's why, why is there so much focus?
	BuzzFeed and Vox and New York Times and the rest of these things, why are they always focusing on like this little crew of YouTubers?
	Why do they want to take down PewDiePie so badly?
	Well, it's like...
	People are actually watching this.
	People are watching this.
	And those companies, they're just funded to the tilts, but they're dying.
	They're dinosaurs that should die.
	And hopefully something better will come after them.
	So there you go.
unidentified		All right.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Shout outs to Thomas, Robert, Robert, and Irma, and Dana.
		You're getting a mug, sister.
		I'm going to sign it right here.
		There you go.
		There you go.
		You know what I will also offer up?
		I don't know if I'm going to get in trouble for doing this.
		But you know, when we...
		When we flipped our set this past September, we have most of our old set.
		We've got the chairs from our old set.
		I need to hang on to the red chair because I still use it when I do the three-way conversations.
		But we've got two of the guest chairs that my guests were always sitting in.
		You may remember those Aqua chairs.
		And we've got the old table, the old coffee table.
		So I would say make us an offer that we can't refuse, and maybe we can get you one of those if you want one of those.
		That would be a logistical nightmare probably, and a shipping ridiculousness, but let's see.
		Okay.
		The left doesn't care now that they control the media and the internet platform companies.
		If you want to know how they react when they are on the other side of the coin, see the 1960s.
		Freedom of speech is a right regardless of which side you are on, and Dave and Jordan are right.
		What is going on is very ominous and Orwellian.
		Well look, I agree, both sides can be pretty bad when it comes to speech.
		Remember, it was the right that used to be all about video game violence, right?
		That video games are causing violence, and they should have warnings, and shouldn't be sold, and they were gonna boycott stores, and all of these things.
		So this is not necessarily a left-right issue.
		And again, we talk about this all the time, but this is also one of those things where it's like the left-right paradigm is just becoming increasingly meaningless, because you're either basically libertarian, and that you're for personal freedom, Which can be a little bit messy because that means someone else is going to have personal freedom too and they might be doing something you don't like.
		Or you want central planning.
		You want state control over things.
		I think you guys know where I fall out on that.
		What I would say is...
		That we want to build something that will be as open as possible, that will also be protected from, I mean, I've said this before, it'll be protected from the mob, it will be technologically sensible, and it will offer some answers to some of these things.
		There's a little bit more that I could tell you that we've accomplished already, but I just can't quite get into all that, and I wish I could.
		Okay, Conservative Mexican, he's back.
		Can I pick up my mug and shirt when I see you at CSUF?
		I met you at the Improv in Irvine.
		Yeah, you know what, we'll make that happen.
		Guys, can you make a note of that?
		Conservative Mexican, we're gonna bring him the shirt when I do that show on January 29th, which, that reminds me, January 9th, I'm at Ontario Improv down here in Southern Cali.
		Brett Weinstein's gonna be joining me for that one.
		I do about an hour, then Brett'll join me for about an hour live sit down.
		January 30th, I'm at Irvine, California with an undisclosed member of the Intellectual Dark Web, and I'm at CSUF.
		Cal State on January 29th, which is a college gig, but they are selling tickets to the public on that too.
		Okay, what the hell are we doing here?
		Little radio reset for ya.
		We are leaving Patreon on January 15th.
		That's it, that's it.
		They don't wanna respect free speech, you gotta stand up.
		Sometimes in life, it's weird.
		I'm watching my monthly revenue drop like hell, and I'm getting emails from people that are inspiring me.
		So it's a little bizarre.
		If you go to DaveRubin.com slash donate, we are gonna send you a mug and a t-shirt if you jump in for $50 and above, and I'll sign the mug right here for you if you do that at a monthly level.
		25 bucks, you're getting the limited, never going to be printed again because they were just for Patreon t-shirts.
		Whew, that's a lot of talking.
		Okay.
		And five bucks and above, and I'm just gonna give you a shout-out right here.
		So I'm gonna give a shout-out to Jacob, to William, and to Garrett, and Aaron, Lawrence, and Ricardo.
		You guys are getting mugs.
		And that's, uh, running out of mugs again.
		All right, here we go.
		There we go.
		And, mama mia.
		Keep the questions coming, guys.
		I'm seeing all these, and I promise you I'm gonna get to as many as possible.
		Okay, um... This is real.
unidentified		Right?
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		This is real and it's raw.
		That's what I can tell you guys.
		Let's see.
		I seriously hope I can continue to listen to you and many others that I do.
		I think it was positive that you're taking a preemptive step versus waiting for the axe to fall, assuming that it does.
		Well that's interesting.
		So what I can tell you is this.
		If you think about sort of the whole IDW crew, whatever that actually means to you, but let's say this group of 20 or 30 or so people, I can tell you that the Sargon thing, by Sargon getting booted, everyone realized, even though some of the people have never met him, some of the people didn't know who he was, there were several people who didn't even know anything about him, Everybody was like this this one is just you know in life you don't get the perfect opportunity the second you want it.
		You know what I mean?
		You're either gonna swing early sometimes and sometimes you're gonna swing too late but sometimes you just gotta swing.
		And I think what I realized at least for this one was it was like not only because as I said to you earlier when I started waking up to some of these ideas Sargon was someone that was doing this on YouTube.
		And although I don't know everything about him, and truth be told I don't think I've watched a video of his in a year, I've just been extremely busy, I know that he's basically a decent human, and I know that he's not alt-right, and I know that he's been fighting the forces of racism and the rest of it.
		And it's like, we could just sit quietly, right?
		Like, we could.
		Like, the chances, I suppose, Well, I think some of you would disagree with me on this, but I think the chances that they're gonna come for me, let's say, in the next couple weeks or couple months, are pretty slim, right?
		Like, basically.
		Because that would be such a massive move of the line that it would be bananas.
		But we just saw a massive move of the line.
		So it's like, we just don't know when it's gonna happen, and you don't get that perfect moment.
		So maybe Sargon isn't the perfect case here, that everyone's gonna jump aboard and defend.
		Jordan and I felt it was the right one, and here we are.
		Okay, let's see.
		Would you have tried to launch this new platform if PayPal, Stripe, MasterCard, etc.
		had not cut off Patreon's competition, Subscribestar?
		That was big.
		So, you know, it was interesting.
		When this whole thing happened, Subscribestar sort of came out of nowhere and everybody was like, you gotta jump on Subscribestar, it's the Patreon alternative.
		And what I kept saying to everybody, and this was before I was even discussing with Jordan about doing an alternative platform, alternative platform, Was that just jumping to another site, even if their intentions are good, is just a little stopgap.
		Like, this is a frog in a pot that is slowly boiling and the frog doesn't know when it's going to be dead.
		That's sort of where we're at at the moment.
		So just jumping, this has nothing to do with The people at Subscribestar or any of that.
		But it was just going to jump to sort of an earlier version of Patreon, which then, let's say in a year from now, if it had gone successfully, would have had all of the problems of a Patreon.
		So that's why I didn't want to do Subscribestar.
		I suppose right now, if Subscribestar had not had, I guess it was Stripe and PayPal and Mastercard and whoever else, If they had not cut them off, then I think there would be a little more legitimacy behind what Subscribestar is doing.
		But that's why I'm saying this is a massive technological problem that perhaps can only be solved by blockchain.
		And in the meantime, if we can just remove as many middlemen as possible.
		For all that you guys, see that's another interesting thing is that there's a real generational shift here.
		We know that most of the people that watch these videos on YouTube are younger.
		Younger people are more willing to spend their hard-earned dollars supporting people that care about the things that they care about.
		So like back in the day, I'm not that old, I'm 42.
		For most of my life, you had bundled cable.
		So let's say you only wanted to watch ABC, NBC, ESPN, and TNT.
		Well, that wasn't a package.
		You couldn't just pay a couple bucks for each of those and get that.
		They forced you to buy a bundle, basically, so you'd end up with Lifetime, and WeChannel, and Comedy Central, and a zillion other things that maybe you'd never wanted, and that's the only way you did it.
		As that model crumbles, And it's so interesting, because we're watching the television model crumble, the cable model crumble, as we're watching mainstream media crumble, as we're watching the political establishment crumble.
		We're watching all this happen at once.
		But as that crumbles, people are going, oh, I don't have to spend, say, $120 on cable a month anymore.
		I could spend, say, $40 a month, and I could divvy that up amongst eight creators that I like, give them $5 each.
		And if enough people do that, all of these people that care about the things that I care about We'll be able to go on and live and hopefully do more and all of those things.
		So there's also an interesting age thing happening here and it's very cool to be part of, truly.
		Okay, let's jump back to shoutouts.
		Andy Drew, Zachary, Camille, Michael, thank you guys.
		And we got some more mugs.
		Todd and Peter with a D, he's on there.
		And Brandon, thank you guys.
		So you guys are getting mugs that I'm signing right now.
		Signing the mugs right now.
		And you guys are getting t-shirts that will get out to you as soon as possible.
		And the last one there was for Brendan.
		Thanks man, appreciate it.
		It's cool, right?
		The other thing that was so interesting, just on a personal note, This year, this past year, 2018, was definitely, without question, it was the most rewarding of my life, personally, professionally, on every front.
		The work that I'm doing, I think, is important and good.
	It's brought a certain level of happiness and success to my life, which is great.
	going on this tour with Jordan where we did about a hundred stops in all sorts of different countries
	and went all over the United States.
	And as I said, we're gonna extend it now into Australia for February.
	And then we're doing all these European stops and meeting all of you guys.
	Like, that's the thing.
	It's like, I know that online, it seems like an endless hate fest.
	And it often is, and it's, we're owning the Libtards and the Cuckservatives and all of this nonsense.
	But it's like, there are good people everywhere.
	and I saw them and I see them every single night.
	One of the things that we do at the Jordan Show is he does a meet and greet after and I do a meet and greet.
	Now for Jordan's meet and greet, obviously it's Jordan's show, so he gets let's say 300 people that go to his meet and greet and you get a picture with him and he does a little talk.
	Mine are usually somewhere between like Say 20 and 50 people.
	And it's really cool because we go into a private room where sometimes there's like a bar area at the theater and we get to chat.
	Like I sit around.
	We try to get the chairs in a circle and we sit around and I get to hear from people about their concerns or what they're excited about or whatever it is.
	And they ask me questions.
	Sometimes I ask them questions.
	I know that people meet after.
	We've been meeting people that are starting IDW groups.
	People are hanging out after.
	Sometimes at some of the shows, there are people that hand out flyers and they're like, if you want to talk about some of these ideas afterwards, meet us at the bar down the block.
	And I've gone to one or two of them.
	Actually, we did two shows in Stockholm, which were two of my favorite shows.
	I loved, loved, loved, loved the Nordic countries, but Stockholm particularly.
	And we did my meet and greet and there were a ton of, I don't know, like 60 people there.
	We were jammed in this little room.
	And then I was like, you know what?
	Why don't we just wrap this thing up early and go to a bar?
	And then like 60 of us went to a bar.
	Aaron Flam was there, who's a comedian from Sweden who's been on the show, and a couple other influential people there.
	Shoutouts to RS, Derek, Laura, and Joseph.
	Thank you guys very much.
	And a mug and a t-shirt for Dylan.
	Thank you, brother.
	I already signed that one.
	Guys, I'm gonna need more mugs.
	Yeah, so lots of cool stuff happening, guys.
	There you go.
	That is the Dave Rubin mug.
	I'm running out of room at the table here.
	Okay.
	If MasterCard or other payment companies can prevent me from supporting the artists or makers who are engaging in legal activities that I prefer, there's no limit to what they control.
	It's definitely a big issue and I think the left doesn't understand how giving this type of power to a corporation can swing back around on them.
	Have you reached out to MasterCard?
	So that harkens back to an earlier question.
	One of the reasons that this is so crazy is that So think about it.
	You've got half, whatever it is, this certain set of people that think Trump is the anti-Christ, or he's Hitler, or any of this nonsense.
	But generally speaking, people on the right, generally speaking, right, if you're generally speaking, a conservative or a libertarian doesn't want to use state power to accomplish their goals.
	They want the market and individual people to solve things.
	Now, on the left, they believe that state power is the answer to most things.
	Bernie believes that state power is the answer to most things.
	Elizabeth Warren believes this.
	Kamala Harris believes this.
	This is what 99% of progressives believe.
	Now, obviously, I don't agree with that, but let's give them the benefit of the doubt that sometimes the government can do some good things.
	Okay, sure.
	The government has done some good things, by the way.
	I mean, if you want to watch a really interesting interview, I talked about this with Peter Thiel, and then he said at some point it just stopped working.
	He said something to the effect of, I'd have no reason to be a libertarian if any of it worked.
	Um, but what the real scary part of what's happening right now is, it's like, okay, so let's say we give the power.
	Let's say the conservatives and the libertarians are like, you know what?
	This deplatforming thing is so dangerous.
	And, and it's because it's coming after us, we're gonna, we're gonna, um, we're gonna shave away on our ideals.
	And you know what?
	The government can get involved this one time because Google controls so much information.
	The government can do it this one time.
	What happens then when, let's say, Trump is out and now you've got a progressive in the White House who believes the government controls everything?
	Now you've just given the control of the platforms to people who are even more politically against you and have more power.
	So this is why everyone has to be very careful and why, once again, I would still say this is about ingenuity of the American people.
	Okay, let's see.
	100 bucks on Super Chat.
	Keep up the good work.
	Great work.
	Thank you.
	I will do that.
	Thank you, Penny.
	Thank you, Andrew.
	Thank you, Leslie.
	Thank you, Donald.
	And a mug for Kine.
	You got it.
	Here we go.
	Man, I wish we could move the camera a little because I am surrounded by mugs right now.
	This is pretty crazy.
	Okay.
	Hey Dave, what about Maxime Bernier?
	Is there an interview coming soon?
	Love the show.
	Keep up the great work.
	Yeah, we've got him.
	Maxime Bernier is a libertarian up in Canada, which you know that the government has gone completely out of control if libertarians are gaining steam in Canada.
	We've got him via Skype.
	I believe it's next week, maybe a week or two, but we are doing that.
	I'm looking forward to doing that one.
	Let's see.
	I love you so much for the stance you're making.
	No tolerance for censorship.
	I love you too.
	Thank you for taking a stand against censorship and providing exceptional content.
	You got it.
	Hey Dave, huge fan here.
	What things did Patreon do well that you guys want to nail down in this new platform?
	Also, can you tell us everything new about it we didn't previously know?
	Have a great day.
	So I can't give you all the specifics on what we're trying to do, and a lot of it still is amorphous.
	And believe me, we're bringing in a lot of the voices that you'd think we'd bring in, and we're bringing in some voices that maybe you wouldn't think we'd bring in.
	What did Patreon do well?
	Look, they were the first one that solved a massive problem.
	There was a problem that creators could not...
	Figure out a way to make a living despite making good content on YouTube.
	The CPMs, meaning the cost per thousand views that the ads, the advertisers were paying out is extremely low on YouTube.
	It's something like two bucks per thousand views.
	Then there was the whole demonetization issue, which by the way is still real.
	So, although generally speaking, it's gotten better for our channel.
	You know, right before Christmas, who did I have on right before Christmas?
	Well, I did a show with Rabbi David Wolpe from Temple Sinai here in Los Angeles and he was sitting in that chair and in this chair was Bishop Aaron from the Archdiocese here in LA.
	That was monetized.
	What was the show that I had on earlier in the week, just two days before?
	It was Imam Tawidi.
	They demonetized that one by, not only the algorithm demonetized it, but then manual review.
	So I can talk to a rabbi and a priest, monetized.
	I could talk to an imam, not monetized.
	It's just all bananas and subjective.
	So Patreon, what did they do?
	Well, they were the first one that said, let's find another way that creators can come together in one spot and people who are interested in creators would have some discoveries.
	So maybe you'd go on there.
	Let's say you were a Jordan Peterson fan.
	You might go on there.
	You might donate five bucks a month to Jordan.
	And then you might look around and I think they had like a sort of related channels kind of thing you might go you know what I've got 20 extra bucks a month or I'm gonna drink one less beer a month and I'm gonna take that six bucks that I spend on a beer a month and I'm gonna give three creators two bucks or whatever it is.
	So they really did do that well.
	There were other things that I loved about, you know, they did some of the back-end stuff.
	So I was doing voice and video chats with small groups and one-on-one people.
	Over the last couple months, we eliminated the one-on-ones because I just simply didn't have any time anymore.
	But I've loved, by the way, doing the group chats.
	You know, I still do a series of these, which we are phasing out.
	But I've met so many people and it's really cool.
	So I spend about, well, at one point I was going from 8 a.m.
	to 8 p.m.
	It was a whole day of talking to people, where I would bounce around.
	I'd talk to somebody in Japan and then somebody in Australia and then, you know, somebody in Mexico and Brazil and Iceland and Sweden and blah blah blah.
	It was like, man, the amount of perspective that I would get and just talking to interesting people who were thinking about the same things all over the world.
	It's pretty freaking awesome.
	So Patreon, this is not...
	I don't hate Jack Conte.
	I don't hate this Jacqueline Hart, the head of trust and safety.
	It's like, I think they're not particularly good at their jobs.
	I think that they're not standing up for the right principles.
	But if either one of them want to come and talk to me again, I guess I'd be happy to do it.
	Although everything Conte said to me last time turned out either to be intentionally lying, but I don't like to attack people's motives.
	So he was either mistaken, didn't realize the problems that were coming down the pike, Or just didn't know what he was talking about.
	I don't know which one of those is the truth.
	Yo Dave, check out YouTuber Law.
	He's a tech lawyer looking to take action.
	Seems like he has a lot of support from the legal end.
	So I know people have sent me the videos.
	I haven't seen them yet, but I will take a look at that.
	The IDW has made my husband and I closer.
	We need more IDW women to speak up.
	I know we exist.
	Absolutely you do.
	Look, there are There are plenty of women from Ayaan and Christina Hoff Sommers and I would say Caitlin Flanagan and Claire Lehman and you know, there are plenty of others.
	But yeah, I think we could, this is the irony of the whole thing, right?
	It's like we don't care about identity politics, but you want to feel that there are people from all sorts of walks of life that are represented with good ideas, not because of the color of their skin or their sexuality or gender or any of that.
	But yeah, look, I promise you guys, as long as I can keep doing this show and we can keep making this thing work, I will keep finding people regardless of any of those immutable characteristics.
	And if it happens to be more women, then so be it.
	Let's see.
	You and Jordan's bromance is awesome.
	Please come with Jordan to the UK soon and somewhere a student can afford tickets.
	Have a great day, Dave.
	We did about six or seven stops in the UK, which was actually totally fun and cool, and it was nice to bounce around the country.
	One of the most fun things that I did in the UK was during one of our days in London, I had a couple hours off, and I spent the day at McKayla School.
	Jordan's daughter happens to be named McKayla, but that is not connected to this.
	You may remember my former guest, Katherine Birbal-Singh, who was on at the end of August.
	And she runs a school called Michaela.
	She used to be a big lefty.
	She realized how leftism was teaching just no personal responsibility and always kicking the can down the road and throwing money at things.
	And she has this school where they take inner-city kids from every walk of life and they teach them how to be responsible, smart.
	self-aware adults.
	I mean, so I sat at, I didn't know what I was doing.
	I just showed up there.
	She's like, "You're gonna have lunch with these kids."
	I sat at a table with a bunch of kids, like eight kids, and we had this incredible conversation.
	They took me to all these classrooms.
	I gave a talk at the end of the day to the teachers there, but they're not allowed to talk.
	They're allowed to talk about a specific topic during lunch.
	They can't talk in the hallways.
	They have to walk on certain sides of the thing.
	It sounds sort of authoritarian in a way, but they're teaching these kids incredible personal responsibility.
	It's pretty awesome.
	All right, let me jump back in here.
	Shout outs to Kyle, Matt, and Scott.
	And just a reminder, DaveRubin.com slash donate.
	If you do it, while I'm doing this right now, 25 bucks monthly, you're gonna get a Rubin Report t-shirt, which will never be printed again because it was the Patreon shirt.
	And you will also get a signed Autographed Rubin Report mug, which I'm gonna sign for you right here.
	I'm surrounded by mugs right now.
	All right, here we go.
	Excited to see Maxime on the show.
	Is there any possibility of getting some more focus on Canadian politics?
	Well, there's obviously something going on in Canada.
	Yeah, well, we're gonna have...
	Stephen Harper, former Prime Minister Stephen Harper, will be on the show, I think in January, if I'm not mistaken.
	And there really is something going on in Canada related to free speech and all this, which is why Jordan, obviously, is from Canada, and Lindsey Shepard, and Ezra Vant, and plenty of other people that are fighting this fight are in Canada.
	Let's see, Dave, will your platform allow creators of legal erotic content, writing, drawing, photography?
	Yeah, I'm talking about what a lot of people call porn.
	Again, this is all about trying to figure out what kind of platform we want to build.
	Do we want absolutely everybody on there?
	Should it be invite only?
	Do you need to be recommended by a couple people?
	I know anything I say right now is going to make a certain amount of people mad, no matter what.
	We are talking all of this stuff out.
	So my, look, my general feeling, so I can only speak for myself for just a second.
	I can always only speak for myself, but particularly at this moment.
	My general feeling is I want as little gatekeeping as possible.
	If you are doing something that is legal, if it is legal in the country that you live in, then I personally would err on the side of that being completely fine on the platform.
	At least optically, is if you try to do that, then a certain amount of people who are doing all sorts of racist, whatever, like truly racist and evil stuff, they're gonna all flock to that platform, and maybe that's gonna overrun all of the good, decent stuff that's there.
	That's just an issue to deal with because, well, even if you're okay with that, right, well then you've got then the mob that comes in after and it's like, see what this platform is?
	See what this platform is?
	It's an alt-right haven for evil racists and pornographers and the rest of it.
	And then whether you want it to be a problem or not, or whether you believe in all of these people's right to free speech or not, if they then come after your payment processors, the MasterCards and PayPals, well now you've still got a massive headache.
	So that's why we have to figure this thing out in a whole bunch of steps.
	Okay.
	Wow, there's a lot here.
	Thank you for all your hard work, Dave.
	I may just be a dumb mechanic, but I find all your content very important.
	Best of luck to you and your adventures.
	You're not a dumb mechanic, and thank you for that.
	You can view the Pareto Principle through two lenses.
	One that says 80% of people are worthless.
	The other perspective says that small businesses are more productive.
	Globalism is dead.
	I like how you snuck that in there.
	Well, you know, it's funny about small businesses because it really is one of the things that I'm most proud of.
	We have a seriously great small business here.
	We have built something that I'm super proud of that we, as I said before, we pay all of our health insurance for our employees.
	We give nice bonuses.
	We treat everybody well.
	I try to let People take more vacations than you would at a normal job, and we work with people however we can to make a good business.
	We have no debt.
	We own everything that we're doing here.
	I mean, I have debt in the home, but we own all of our equipment.
	We've run a very responsible business that I'm super excited about.
	But I remember once, Jonathan Chait, who's a lefty writer from either New York Magazine or The New Yorker, I'm blanking.
	I think it's New York Magazine, but somebody could let me know.
	About a year or two ago, I saw him tweet something about how like small business, the phrase small business is just a, it's just like a made up phrase by big government or by Republicans, something like that.
	And I wrote back and I was like, you know, I got to tell you, I run a small business and I'm super proud of it.
	And we have a couple, we have several employees and you know, whatever.
	And then he retweeted me and he wrote back, several employees, mocking the fact that I only have several employees.
	And I thought, this is exactly why people don't like elite liberals and sort of the coast liberalism and this big, Government nonsense.
	It's like, wait a minute.
	If I was a big company you'd say I'm bad because I'm an evil corporation.
	Now I'm a small business and you mock me for only having several employees.
	I've created something.
	I've created content that's valuable.
	I've created jobs for people.
	Which I'm super proud about.
	I don't know that he's ever created anything.
	I don't want to make this about him specifically.
	But it's like, what is the right number?
	If you hate corporations and you hate small business, what's the right amount of people that I should have hired that then I would be in that sweet spot?
	If I had 16 employees, are we good?
	Are we good then?
	Like, what are we really talking about here?
	And often there's really no answer because they have some sort of...
	They just have an idea of what's right instead of having anything to do with what is realistically practical.
	And Jonathan Chait is from New York Magazine.
	Keith, Andrew, Angela, and Camille, thank you guys very much.
	Appreciate it.
	And it's DaveRubin.com slash donate, guys.
	I'm signing mugs and I'm giving away T-shirts.
	Here we go.
	Might I suggest having Bishop Barron and Jordan Peterson share a discussion on your show?
	That would be quite an event.
	I think that would be.
	It would be really, really, really interesting.
	And I know that the bishop is a big fan of I don't want to answer that one specifically.
	Suffice to say, as I said earlier, I have many phone calls tomorrow.
	solutions like Alexandria / Open Index Protocol. I think the problem needs to
	be solved at the protocol level so payment is decentralized separate from
	content delivery. I don't want to answer that one specifically suffice to say as
	I said earlier I have many phone calls tomorrow so think think about it that
	way. Hey Dave I realized a while ago that I'm bisexual and I'm having trouble
	accepting it as part of my identity.
	Do you have any advice based on your own coming out experience?
	Well, it's nice to get away from the topic for just a second.
	The only advice I can give on anything I think related to sexuality or anything like that is you just have to be yourself.
	You can try not to be yourself.
	You can.
	I did it for many, many years.
	I'm going to be writing about this in my book.
	I came out of the closet way too late.
	I think I did damage to myself.
	I think emotionally, psychologically it damaged my relationships, family, all sorts of things that you don't just put aside one day and are magically fixed.
	I think then you have a lifetime of sort of repairing those things.
	So, you know, it's funny, I don't regret anything I did because I got to a place in life that's good, but we all live with some of the scars of our former selves, you know?
	But I would say if you are what you... Popeye, I am what I am and that's all that I am.
	I mean, if you are something, whether you're gay, you're bisexual, whatever you are, if you are, it's like...
	You gotta be it.
	Whatever that means to you.
	And if you think that people aren't going to accept you for it, then maybe you should find some other people to be around.
	And that's not a fun thing to say, or cool either.
	But be who you are.
	It's all you can do.
	It's hard to live one life.
	This is what I would say.
	It's hard to live one life on this earth, right?
	Like, living one life is hard.
	What does Jordan talk about all the time?
	Life is suffering, man.
	You gotta figure out some way to pilfer some pleasure out of it.
	Be on an adventure that is rewarding to you and meaningful and all of those things.
	I think I've been able to do that.
	But like, imagine trying to live two lives.
	And this is what people who are closeted have to do, and people are closeted for all sorts of reasons.
	I would say conservatives now are more closeted than gay people in a lot of ways, because everywhere I go I meet people that are just basic, decent conservatives, who might be pro-life or pro-gun, who are afraid to tell anybody what their political views are.
	Now you know what it's like.
	To be in the closet the closet isn't just the closet is just there's just room for one there
	And it's just you and your thoughts and that is a lonely place
	But it's hard to live life as one person now imagine trying to live life as two people all the time
	it's not fun and and Yeah, it's not good. It's not good. I hope that I hope that
	has some value Shoutouts to Benjamin Beverly and Patricia and mugs to
	Philip and to Thor speaking of Thor You know I've been on planes like I don't know how many
	freaking plane rides. I've taken in the last year, but I've watched
	Avengers infinity war like ten times, and I like it better every time
	Like, it really is just spectacular.
	I can't wait till the next one.
	So this is for you, Thor.
	And, alright, where are we?
	Where are we?
	We'll be sure to send you monthly via PayPal till your new platform comes out.
	Keep fighting the good fight.
	Thank you very much.
	Happy New Year, Dave and everyone.
	How do we solve the whole problem when it starts with the payment processors?
	It's like we need our own payment processor.
	Yeah, again, so we've hit this a couple of times, but maybe there will be a payment processor, or maybe there is one out there, or maybe I have a phone call with one of them tomorrow with the ability to stand up to the mob, or maybe that have some outside-the-box thinking solutions to some of these things.
	So we shall see.
	Let's see.
	Thanks, Dave, for so many hours of great content leading me to Peterson, Rogan, the Weinstein Brothers, and so many other interesting people.
	Thank you for giving us hope for the next generation of freedom to think.
	It's scary raising my children in this generation.
	Keep fighting.
	Well, thank you for that.
	One of the things when I go to college is that I talk to students about, and I just spoke at Turning Point USA, did their Student Action Summit, which was great.
	Peterson spoke there, and Greg Gutfeld, Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk, Kyle Kashub.
	It was actually like a Rubin Report reunion, basically.
	But one of the things that I always say to these kids, it's like, if you think that you're kind of not saying what you think right now, if you think that you are silenced and your teachers are teaching nonsense and all these things, if you don't stand up now, do you think it's going to be any better in three years?
	Do you think it's going to be any better magically in four years?
	The people that want to take away your rights, that want to silence you, they have no problem doing it.
	Now, I'm not saying be as awful as them.
	Be a little better than them.
	It's not that hard.
	They're pretty awful.
	Be a little better than them.
	But if you're... What would it be like for your kid?
	If you're 18 right now, you're in college, right?
	You're a freshman in college.
	You're getting indoctrinated with this leftist craziness, right?
	And this intersectional lunacy and all of this stuff, it's like, do you think that if you don't fight it, when you're young, you're 18, you've got, you know, a chip on your shoulder and you've got energy and enthusiasm and you're ready to take on life, it's like, if you don't do it then, you're not gonna suddenly be 27 and you're gonna be married and have car payments and a mortgage and a dog and a blah, blah, blah, and your back's gonna hurt and a whole bunch of other stuff and be like, and now I'm gonna take on the world.
	Actually, you'll never do it, so do it now before it's too late.
	I would say that to somebody that doesn't agree to me.
	Okay.
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		Let's throw to a wide shot for a second just so people can see how many mugs I'm surrounded by here.
		We got a lot of mugs, people.
		There's a whole bunch on the left side of me, too.
		We got mugs being signed every which way.
		So if you guys want to jump in on a mug, I'm guessing we probably have around 50 left maybe of the stash.
		I'm gonna have room in my closet again, I can't believe it.
		It's daverubin.com slash donate and you'll get a mug and we're gonna send you a t-shirt.
		I got a couple unsigned ones down here and I'm giving shoutouts to anyone that jumps on $5 and above.
		So there you go.
		Dave, I'm a huge fan of yours and Colin Moriarty.
		Your show first introduced me to him.
		I hope you and Colin can find a way to do more interviews together even though you'll no longer be on Patreon.
		I love Colin.
		One of the beauties of this show is that you've watched me in real time become friends with some of my best friends now.
		You know what I mean?
		Like obviously Jordan and I and Sam and his wife just came over for dinner the other night.
		And Colin and I have become best of friends, and Pete Boghossian has become an incredibly close friend, and Gadsad, and Eric has become like an older brother to me, and I love Brett, and the whole crew.
		It's like, these things have happened in real time in front of you.
		It's really cool.
		Actually, one of the things that I love doing about this most, it's like, not only do I get to learn from these people every week, I sit here and listen.
		It's why I don't sit and stare at notes and go, oh, I gotta ask you this, and I gotta get you with that, and that whole thing.
		If you could sit in a room with somebody and just be.
		You can learn.
		And if you can learn, I think you can be a better person.
		So I'm a better person, not a perfect person.
		Got plenty to work on.
		Shout out to Paul.
		Thank you, my friend.
		Let's see.
		Excited to see what bubbles up in the near future to facilitate the max effective transfer of complex slash tricky ideas.
		Each additional platform is a new opportunity to work out the kinks.
		Yeah, you're actually totally right.
		You know, one of the interesting things here is, And I said this right at the beginning.
		It's like Jordan and I are working on this thing.
		There are a zillion people that want to work on a zillion different things.
		There are people that are saying you've got to go crypto right now.
		There are people saying that's a two-year plan.
		There are people saying that the payment processors won't be a problem as long as you're sort of decentralized off Patreon.
		In my view, they're just going to nip us off slowly that way.
		Nobody knows what the answer to any of this is, but again, this is why, how cool is it that there is a problem?
		Like, think about it.
		This is what's so cool about being a human and being alive in a free society, right?
		It's like, there is a problem.
		You guys see a problem.
		You watching this right now, you see that there's a problem.
		I happen to be one guy talking about that problem.
		But you might be able to solve it.
		And maybe what you do, the amount of people that have reached out to us, it's like, guess what?
		We do read our emails.
		Sometimes people reach out to Jordan and he forwards me something and he says, what do you think about this?
		Or I forward it to Eric and I go, this might seem like something.
		So we're all trying to figure it out.
		It doesn't mean that there's a, you know, everyone, it's like, I saw when I announced that I was leaving Patreon, I saw a couple verified people on Twitter go after me like, oh, you see, well, if you really wanted to fight free speech, you wouldn't just get off Patreon, you'd get off Twitter, you'd get off Facebook, you'd get off YouTube.
		And it's like, you know what?
		Everyone can sit there and complain about everything and bitch and moan about how everyone's not perfect, but sometimes, sometimes some people stand up and do something.
		I think that's what we're doing here.
		I really do.
		All right.
		Shoutouts to Jonas, to Ian, to Amanda.
		Oh, to Amanda Lee!
		Amanda Lee, who I just sent you a note.
		Your brother reached out over the holidays.
		I'm sorry I didn't get to you before Christmas.
	But you are a student at UCLA, and you just completed the LSATs.
	Congratulations.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	Holy shit, there's a lot going on here.
	We the people are super proud of what you're doing.
	Have you reached out to get Matt Christensen on the show?
	He's welcome to come on.
	I don't know that I've reached out to him specifically.
	I'd like to do it in studio.
	He's in like Montana or something, but yeah, if he's watching, Matt will make it happen.
	Support from Australia, where the world has also gone batshit crazy.
	Hoping to see Jordan Peterson here in February.
	My government already banned Gavin McGinnis from entering the country.
	We've got about 10 stops in Australia.
	They sold out.
	Crazily quickly.
	So then we're supposed to be going after Australia.
	We go to New Zealand.
	I actually can't go to New Zealand.
	Unfortunately, I would love to go to New Zealand.
	It's like, how many chances does someone get to go to New Zealand?
	But my family, my folks and my brother and sister and spouses and kids and everything, we do one week of vacation a year together.
	And that happens to be then.
	So I'm leaving Australia.
	So I'm missing, I'll be at all the shows up until the 16th in Sydney.
	Then I'm gonna miss like two or three shows.
	Jordan goes to New Zealand.
	And then from there, He's then going back to Australia, but it doesn't make sense for me to fly all the way back across the world to do that.
	Although I've done some crazy flying things.
	The craziest thing that I did on the whole tour so far was I left the UK on a Friday night On a Friday afternoon to get back to Los Angeles to go to to my good friend and former Rubin Report guest Bob Saget and his beautiful wife Kelly Rizzo to go to their wedding in Santa Monica So I got in that morning after like a 10-hour flight from the UK or however long that flight is Went to the wedding had a great time was slow dancing by the way next to Billy Crystal and his wife and I think our butts kind of touched and then
	Then had the wedding, and then immediately the next day flew all the way back to Amsterdam, which was completely bananas, but it was like, you gotta do what you gotta do.
	Shoutouts to Marilyn, to Aaron, to Robert, to Sean, and to Emilio.
	Thank you guys.
	Appreciate it.
	DaveRubin.com slash donate, guys.
	You guys truly are the lifeblood of this show.
	Look, I don't want to belabor the point, but I've got several networks that want me to join them.
	We could do all sorts of things where I start doing live reads and more live ads and all that stuff.
	I like doing it the way we've done it, and if we can just, if we can, to quote Blanche Dubois or Blanche Devereaux, As the case may be, at least in my world, I've always depended on the kindness of strangers.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, if you guys keep funding this thing, we'll keep doing it this exact same way, and we'll keep figuring out other ways to grow and expand.
	Oh, and by the way, one of the things that I'm planning on doing, so you know, we had this great partnership with Learn Liberty.
	Which is a classical liberal non-profit.
	And we worked with them for about two years.
	They gave us some of my favorite episodes.
	They gave us with Georgetown professor Randy Barnett, who talked about the foot vote.
	That was one of the episodes that really changed my views on small government.
	And with Steve Davies and Deirdre McCloskey and Sean Hopwood.
	And they sponsored our episode with Phil DeFranco, just because they liked him.
	They had never even met the guy, but they thought they'd sponsor that episode.
	So we worked with them for about two years.
	They wanted to sign on for another year, and I just kind of wanted to go in another direction.
	So we actually do have a new non-profit that I've done some stuff with.
	I may as well just tell you.
	We're going to be doing a little bit more with the Ayn Rand Institute.
	I've done some live events with them.
	Obviously, I've had Yaron Brook in here, who's a great guy, who's been very influential for me.
	And we're going to be doing some sponsored shows with them and get them in there because this is a beautiful thing.
	They actually believe in the ideas of objectivism, so we're gonna do a couple shows where it's objectivism-versed, and you'll be able to see people sort of tangle and spar over ideas, and they're putting their money where their mouth is, so that's actually pretty cool.
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dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Hey Dave, is there someone who you have come across that thinks like Thomas Sowell, or who you think could become the next Thomas Sowell?
		Well, I don't think there'll ever be another Thomas Sowell.
		Is there anyone?
		I mean, I'm sure there's some people out there.
		Well, I would say at some level, although he's probably a little more left than Thomas, I would say Coleman Hughes is sort of on the way in a certain respect.
		And Coleman I've had on here, who's a great guy and really bright.
		I don't know.
		Could there ever be another Thomas Sowell?
		Probably not.
		Probably not.
		Shoutouts to Gareth, to John, to Jeff, to Jason, to Albin, and to Timothy.
		And then what I do with my marker, we got a couple mugs coming.
		Troy and Nathan, you guys are getting mugs.
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		Okay.
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		I really do.
		Appreciate it and by the way, you know, we're not gonna if you looked at how many times we did like serious like Fundraising over these last couple years we did it I tried to do it maybe once or twice a year and not even that I don't intend on doing this type of thing all the time It's just at this brief moment where you know, the other thing that's funny We were at, as I said, around $30,000 a month for most of the last year on Patreon.
		Then the Sargon thing happened.
		We went down to $25,000 or something.
		Then I started really talking about it a couple weeks ago with Jordan.
		We went down another $10,000.
		Then I made this announcement.
		Now we're down to $14,000, let's say, on there, even despite the fact that I've announced to the patrons I'm leaving.
		But there's 14 grand just sitting there because a lot of times people sign up and then never think of it again.
		I'm gonna close the account either way.
		So it's like, there are gonna be a lot of people who maybe just signed up and that aren't that active in all of this or maybe don't pay attention to Twitter or whatever.
		And it's like, that's why we have to do some of these things where we talk about these things and do these live streams and do videos and the rest of it.
		A shout out to Heidi and Magnus!
		That is a great name, Magnus.
		You are getting a mug.
		Right there.
		I'm going to write your name on it because Magnus is an all-star name.
		Magnus.
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		You said speaking in Montana at the University of Wyoming.
		As a graduate of both Montana State, Bozeman, and University of Wyoming, Laramie, I forgive you for the mix-up.
		Keep up the battle, Dave.
		I got a lot on my mind lately.
		It was University of Wyoming at Laramie.
		That's where it was.
		That was fun.
		I actually went out with some of the students there from Turning Point after we had a good time.
		Except when the bottle of ketchup exploded on me, which actually did happen.
		Let's see.
		To determine someone's true convictions, look no further than the personal sacrifices they've made to uphold them.
		Love you, Dave, and keep up the great work.
		Tim, thank you.
		Well, thank you, Tim, I appreciate that.
		These attacks are not new.
		The banks have been strangling gun manufacturers and sellers for years.
		Are you interested in speaking out on other rights?
		Well, that would be interesting just to find out a little bit more about that.
		I've heard that.
		I've heard that from people that Work in the adult film business that they've said they have all sorts of problems with payment processors and things like that.
	Again, this is where I would say that generally, if I was running things, and I don't want to run things, but I would say if you're following the laws of the country, and in America's case, the state that you live in, that everything basically should be allowed.
	If you're breaking those laws, then we have a different problem.
	But yeah, that's where I would fall out on that.
	What are your thoughts on Bitcoin?
	Do you think it could replace normal currency?
	So first off, we are accepting Bitcoin now.
	We're also accepting Bitcoin Cash.
	We're looking into Litecoin and Ethereum and a couple of the others, but our Bitcoin address is at DaveRubin.com slash donate.
	I have a lot to learn on crypto.
	Trust me, I'm trying to learn.
	I have a whole bunch of calls tomorrow talking to crypto people on all sorts of different fronts.
	Look, because it's on the blockchain and it's not centralized, There is a power to this type of currency that I think will be more important as we move forward.
	There's still all sorts of problems related to how quickly you can do transactions, and is it really, is it a money the way cash is where you can quickly do transfers, or is it more of like a gold standard sort of thing?
	I got a ton to learn, so I don't even want to speak out of school here, but I promise you that I'm learning as fast as I can.
	Um, okay.
unidentified		Um...
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Are the donations through Patreon or other that you receive taxed?
		Yeah, they are.
		I have to report everything.
		I just did my year-end taxes with my accountants.
		It was not pretty.
		You wanna become a libertarian pretty quick, start paying taxes.
		Hey Dave, just transferred from Patreon to your platform monthly.
		Thank you very much.
		Same with Jordan B. Peterson.
		Do you know if Bill Whittle would love to see you talk with him?
		Yeah, I had Bill Whittle on about a year ago.
		Check it out.
		Just put his name in slash Rubin Report in the...
		In the thing there.
		All right, we are about an hour and a half in.
		Holy cow, I've been talking for a long time.
		Let's throw to the wide shot, because I'm surrounded by mugs.
		There's a whole bunch of mugs you can't even see over there.
		And remember, you can get the t-shirt, the Rubin Report t-shirt at $25.
		And we'll send these things out to you pretty quick.
		We'll try to get all these out.
		Within a day or two.
		My guys are gonna kill me for saying that.
		But we will do the best we can on that to get these out to you.
		And yes, these will never be printed.
		Where am I looking?
		Over here?
		These will never be printed again because these were the shirts that we were giving out to our patrons.
		So we had about 200 of them or so left.
		And we're clearing out stock here at the Rubin Report today.
		Let's see.
		Exciting to witness the birth of a cultural paradigm where people of different ideas unite under the aegis of good faith and reasoned discussion.
		Let's make history one dark conversation at a time.
		Let's do it.
		Let's roll.
		What is your opinion on Brazilian Prime Minister Bolsonaro regarding, oops, there's a lot of things moving here, deforestation of the rainforest.
		P.S.
		I'm a Christian, I'd bake you a cake though.
		You know, I don't know enough about him, but it sounds like he really hates Marxism and he's really pushing Brazil to become more of a world leader and that he actually is for capitalism and he's trying to get some of the SJW stuff out of the schools.
		I just saw a tweet by him.
		A day or two ago.
		So on that front, and again, I don't know a ton about him.
		That all sounds good to me.
		And as a Christian, I appreciate your offer to bake me a cake.
		That would be very nice of you.
		Thank you very much.
		Let's see.
		Shoutouts to Mill High, to William, to Trenton, to Daniel, to Juanita, to Henrik, to Greg, to Sam, to Alexis, and to Andrew.
		Thank you guys very much.
		Man, you guys, look, you know, I said before that when we originally went on Patreon, the night before, I was like, I don't know, did I just destroy my career?
		Did I just cause my partner and my friends to not have jobs anymore and the whole thing?
		You know, look, I knew this time coming through because we have a couple different revenue sources.
		So fan funding is the bulk of it.
		As I said, Patreon has been about 60 to 70% of our rev.
		There is YouTube rev, but the problem with building a business around YouTube rev is it goes like this.
		You just never know when it's going to go up and down.
		It's also seasonal where it gets better in like November and December before the holidays.
		And then January, February are pretty bad and with demonization and all that.
		We also do audio podcast reads.
		That's one way we do it.
		And as I said, there would be plenty of opportunities.
		If I right now wanted to start doing ads just this way, just on YouTube like this, we could make a shit ton of money.
		I mean far more than I was making on Patreon.
		I just don't know that that's the route that I want to go.
	I don't begrudge anyone for doing it.
	You know, it's funny when When Shapiro does it, it's become part of his shtick.
	It's actually kind of fun when he does it.
	I just like doing it this way, also for the purposes of the conversation.
	And this is not a knock on anybody, but for the purpose of the conversation, when I sit in this room and they close that door, we go straight through.
	We do not edit for content.
	I sit there, I look at that person, I stare at them in the eyes, and we go for it, right?
	And I don't know that I would want to be stopping to read ads in the middle of that.
	Again, that's not besmirching anybody the way anyone has to do anything.
	It's just what I've become accustomed to, and the more that The more that you guys allow me to do that, I think the better work that I could do.
	Shoutouts to Christian and to Stefan.
	Thank you guys.
	Okay, here we go.
	Dave, I love your content as well as the IDW as a whole.
	I just wanted to make sure you're subscribed to PewDiePie.
	Please confirm.
	I am subscribed to PewDiePie.
	I don't know if it's actually through the Rubin Report YouTube channel, but I have another one that I am subscribed to the PewDiePie.
	He's funny.
	He's funny.
	He did this really funny video.
	He actually mentioned me in a video about the whole Patreon thing maybe a week or two ago.
	But he just does these, he opens this video and it's like this mock sort of cartoony CNN
	and he's like, "I'm Gloria Borger."
	And it's like, what?
	He's just, the guy's just funny, I like him.
	Thanks for what you do.
	You should interview retiring Representative Trey Gowdy about free speech in regards to national security and censorship therein.
	I would be happy to do that.
	Let's see if we can reach out to him.
	Good idea.
	Have Neil Ferguson back on to discuss what's going on with credit processors from a historical perspective.
	What a great idea.
	I gotta tell you, one of the interviews, I knew that Neil was a brilliant historian and was outspoken and all that.
	But I did not fully expect him to be the absolute powerhouse that he was.
	He flew in, he had just landed, he walks in, he pounds some water, he sits down, and he just goes.
	And we did, I think, about an hour and 20 minutes, and we could have done much more, but he had to jump back on the plane.
	But he's a brilliant, brilliant guy.
	His wife, by the way, is Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and when he talks about her in the interview, it's like, you know, some people could talk about their wife or their husband, and they're just saying something nice, and it's just meaningless, but the way that he Talks about that woman.
	It's like wow that is that is what love really is Will you work with software engineers to create solutions with freedom as a core value?
	Yeah, this is what people are reaching out to us.
	As I said, I'm not making this up.
	I got Google engineers reaching out to me.
	I got people at Facebook reaching out to me.
	We're going to try to figure this all out.
	It's a lot to chew off.
	Sean M., a shout out.
	Leonard, a shout out.
	And Sean W., for a mug.
	All right.
	I got five more mugs right there and a bunch over there.
	Let's get rid of all these mugs, people.
	There we go, another mug, okay.
	Let's see.
	Much of the talk between you and your colleagues highlights the issues around radical leftist indoctrination at universities.
	Are there still reasons to pursue an education at these institutions in the current climate?
	This is such a tough question, and I get this a lot because I speak at colleges.
	Look, there are a million reasons.
	To go to college, I think, that aren't necessarily the academic reasons.
	Let's just put academia aside for a second.
	There are social reasons, meeting people from different walks of life, meeting people from different parts of the country or different parts of the world, living in a dorm, living in, you know, when you move off campus maybe and you live in a small house with some friends, like, learning how to socialize with other people not under your parents' roof.
	But not under the roof of where you're going to live with, say, your spouse one day or something like that.
	So there's all sorts of social reasons.
	Learning how to hang out and have fun and maybe smoke a joint and have a beer and whatever else that you're going to do to help become a person.
	That is all part of what the college experience is like.
	Now, if the academic side of it is just indoctrination, then man, it's tough.
	I would say the most important thing you can do as a parent is Try to steer, I suppose, your children to schools that are going to be respectful of ideas, that are going to be respectful of defending free speech.
	University of Chicago is doing a great job of this.
	There are schools that are still doing this, by the way.
	I spoke down in Clemson.
	They've got a great program down there about capitalism and free markets that I thought they're doing a nice job.
	And Jordan and I spoke to a small group of students there and then did a big talk.
	There's all sorts of schools that are doing interesting things.
	Chapman University here, outside of Santa Barbara, where Michael Shermer teaches, I think is doing a nice job defending free speech.
	But yeah, if you're gonna just send them If you're gonna send them to Berkeley to just be indoctrinated, then that's a problem.
	But that being said, I've given talks to the Berkeley College Republicans, and they're there, and they're fighting for what they believe in.
	So hopefully you've given your child enough of an understanding of what the world is, or the basic bones of how to go about life, that they're not gonna go to the school, forget everything you taught, and then just come out a zombie on the other side.
	But that's tough, and as someone that's not a parent, it's a little bit hard for me to say that with full confidence.
	Gusto or something.
	Shoutouts to Michael, to Angie, to Blake, to Ashley, to Tony, to Colin, to Jerry, and a mug for Robin!
	Alright, Robin.
	That's yours, Robin, there you go, all right.
	What are some books that changed your life?
	Love the show and everything that you're doing.
	Thanks, Dave.
	I like this question.
	So first off, every book that we have, we could go to the wide shot for a sec, every book that's on our set right now, including some books that you can't see over there, these are all former Rubin Report guests.
	So there's Amy Chua, Steven Pinker, Yaron Brook, there's Thiel, there's Ferguson, Kelly Carlin, Saget, David Frum, Sam Harris is over there, Douglas Murray, I mean, Thomas Sowell, Scott Adams, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	So I've read most of these books.
	The first year of the show, at least, maybe the first two years of the show, I read every book of every guest that we had on.
	And then suddenly my schedule got so crazy it was impossible to do.
	I also found sometimes In certain interviews, if I knew a little bit less about the specific topic of the book, let's say, I could ask better questions because I wasn't sort of subconsciously leading in a certain way.
	I was actually going in the most open way.
	So when I had Jordan on even, I think 12 Rules was...
	I mean, Jordan and I knew each other pretty well, but this is certainly before the tour.
	I think either 12 Rules had just come out or was just about to come out.
	I had not read the book, and we went through the rules.
	And it's like, now I know.
	I know the rules inside and out, and he does these awesome, really, they're truly incredible talks about them all the time.
	Okay, but as to books that I would recommend.
	The book that I would recommend more than anything else because it affected me in such a deeply profound way is Billions and Billions by Carl Sagan.
	It's Carl Sagan.
	It's his last book.
	He actually died before he finished it.
	So then his wife, Ann Druyan, who was also a professor at Cornell, She finished it for him.
	Carl Sagan, most of you know who Carl Sagan is, but he wrote Cosmos and he did the TV show Cosmos and he used to go on the old Johnny Carson Tonight Show and the joke that Johnny Carson would say, Johnny Carson would always mock him and say, you say billions and billions, except it turns out that he actually never said that phrase.
	That's why he named the book Billions and Billions.
	Anyway, it's just a great book about the way humans react to each other, how important science and belief Do you think the next election will see more people move towards the middle with their votes or further away from moderation?
	Well, thank you, my friend.
	Let's see.
	Do you think the next election will see more people move towards the middle with their votes
	or further away from moderation?
	Also, you're my fave, Dave.
	All right, I appreciate that.
	Well, I tweeted out yesterday like a six tweet thread about sort of what my predictions are for the year.
	Look, I think that the left, unfortunately, at all the markers over the last couple of years, where they could have done a little self-reflection and said that we shouldn't be into identity politics, we shouldn't judge people as groups, we should look at the individual more.
	Things that used to be liberal principles, right?
	We shouldn't look for the government to solve everything.
	JFK, liberal, Democrat, JFK, that's not what the country can do for you, that's what you can do for the country.
	That's the reverse of what they say now.
	Imagine if Bernie started saying that, they would not be happy with Bernie.
	So I think that the left, we're gonna see like a truly bananas left that is going to get worse and worse and worse.
	And the media is gonna keep feeding it and giving it all the energy, that's the worst part.
	What I think will, What will happen subtly is what's been happening subtly, which is there is a really interesting group of, say, moderate conservatives and libertarians and some Trumpers and some disaffected liberals who are coming together with pretty moderate stances.
	Now, who is the leader of that?
	I don't think ultimately that Trump is the leader of that, even though by no means do I have Trump derangement syndrome, and I think he's done a lot of good things on policy fronts.
	And forget Twitter for a second.
	So I think that will continue to be built, that group, but it's about where will it get its energy from ultimately?
	Who will be the leader of it and what is it?
	Like, is it a more moderate Republican?
	Is Ben Shapiro gonna run for president?
	I mean, who knows?
	Could it be Nikki Haley?
	I mean, I'd probably vote for Nikki Haley and that would really flip identity politics on its head, right?
	Now you've got a brown woman Republican.
	Well, what are they gonna do with that?
	So, yeah, it's really, it's interesting stuff.
	My hope is that people will return to moderation.
	We don't want to look back 20 years from now and go, man, 2018, 2019, those were the good old days, because now we're in the middle of a civil war over Twitter fights.
	You know what I mean?
	It's like, we still got it pretty damn good here, right?
	You may think that all hell is, it's so horrible, we're so mean to each other, it's never been worse.
	You know, read some of the things that Thomas Jefferson, who I love, would say about his political opponents, or that they would say about him.
	It's like there were crazy crazy things being said and attacking each other and all that so it's like it may feel crazy right now but also this is where every now and again get offline and go talk to real people and they're actually pretty decent.
	Shoutouts to James, Ron, and Colin.
	All right, guys, we got 15 minutes left.
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	I'm just doing what I think I should do.
	Here we go.
	Thank you, Andrea.
	I appreciate it.
	Ruben, you and the rest of the IDW are the best.
	Keep up the good work and never apologize to the leftist for anything.
	They are truly lost and they're in desperate need of reasonable voices like yours.
	I'll bake you a cake.
	Thank you.
	You know, it's funny too.
	If you listen to what the media will say, it's like, look, I went to this Turning Point thing, the Student Action Summit at the end of December that I mentioned, and as I said, Prager was there, and Gutfeld, and Charlie, Kirk, and Candace, and Jordan, and a whole bunch of other people, Brandon Tatum.
	A whole other people, a whole other bunch, and I met, when I got there, to get backstage, I don't know if I walked in the wrong entrance or whatever, but I had to walk through a crowd of hundreds of people, and everyone's coming up to me, and they were taking selfies, and I'm signing stuff, and all this stuff, and it's like, these are great people from every walk of life, they're every color, and I met gay people and straight people, and I met Orthodox Jews wearing yarmulkes, and I met brown Muslims, and I met all of these different people, And guess what?
	They're all conservatives, they're all decent, they're all human, they're open to ideas.
	I went on stage, I gave a talk about the differences that I have with conservatives.
	I'm pro-choice.
	I know some of them are not thrilled with gay marriage, a series of other things.
	I'm against the death penalty.
	And they still love it.
	I got a great ovation afterwards.
	It's like, these are not the intolerant people, but that's the way it's always gonna be framed, which also brings me quickly to something on the media that I wanted to address, which is, you may have seen the New York Times article from about, 10 days ago on the Patreon situation and the entire article is nonsense.
	It's almost completely made up.
	It's written by a New York Times journalist by the name of Nellie Bowles.
	She's the one who did the article on Jordan and enforced monogamy from about a year ago now.
	She frames the whole thing ridiculously.
	She refers to me as a libertarian podcaster, which I don't care about being called a libertarian, that's fine.
	But it's like, you're only saying that because you know in the minds of your ultra-left readers that when you say libertarian, that somehow means bad person.
	Like, if you were being an honest reporter and not someone colorizing something, you would say Dave Rubin, who refers to himself as a classical liberal.
	But whatever, put that aside, it doesn't even matter.
	The quote she gets from Jacqueline Hart, who's the head of trust and safety at Patreon, is basically in effect that Carl, Sargon of Akkad, said these words, meaning the n-word, on the platform, and you're not allowed to do it on the platform.
	Except he never said those words on the platform, so that's the most important quote of the whole article that sets up everything about why people are leaving and everything else.
	Now then I tweeted at her and many other people did and they got hundreds and thousands of retweets saying that the quote that she gave you that is the backbone of the article is a lie.
	And it's like there's no correction out of her.
	New York Times doesn't give a shit.
	So it's like we are watching fake news crumble and I say freaking let them crumble.
	All right.
	How do you really feel about that, Dave?
	Shout out to Scott and Jay is getting a mug.
	All right, Jay.
	Let's do it.
	Here we go.
	All right, that's a fine signature right there.
	That might be my best one of the day.
	You are in luck, Jay.
	Um, okay.
	Do you think you'll face legal challenges no matter what platform or payment system you adopt?
	I mean, I certainly hope not.
	I'm not doing anything illegal.
	I don't intend on doing anything illegal.
	We're all, all of us are just trying, I can't say all of us, but I can tell you that most of the people that I'm talking to about these things, from the Weinstein brothers to Jordan and everybody else, It's like, we want to be able to be on platforms where the information is not being manipulated, where people are getting what they're subscribed to, where if you send a tweet out that it's not going to be shadow banned, that you can make an honest dime, etc, etc.
	We're not trying to revolutionize the world.
	Nobody wants to fight Google.
	Do you think that seems fun?
	Fighting Google.
	Let's fight MasterCard.
	You know, I'd rather play video games and go play basketball and take a walk with my dog.
	You know what I mean?
	It's like, that's just true.
	So it's like, do I think we're gonna face legal challenges everywhere?
	I mean, this is all part of, I suppose, growing a business and we're gonna have to think through all of these things.
	But that's why these are not... I know people want the silver bullet right now.
	They want the magic answer right now.
	Just be patient.
	Be patient.
	And that's why, as I said a couple times now, it's like, We're going to get off Patreon for now.
	We're going to move everybody over to our website.
	That eliminates the middleman.
	We may have to deal with a payment processor issue at some point, but hopefully we'll be able to fold that into whatever else we're doing.
	But right now, if you dig what I'm doing here and you want to support it, you have a way to do it at DaveRubin.com slash donate.
	So there you go.
	Dave, while you go on this adventure, remember you're not alone.
	Keep the words of C.S.
	Lewis close to your heart.
	Adventures are never fun while you're having them.
	I love that quote, actually.
	I'm very aware of that, trust me.
	Like, trust me, trust me, trust me.
	I've been able to go across the world in the last year and meet so many people who are so kind and decent and It has made me a better person.
	It just has.
	And like, when people come up to you and say, oh, you know, you affected me this way or I watched you and I shared this thing and now my brother and I aren't fighting so much or whatever it is, it's like, it's real, man.
	It's real.
	I think I've told this before, but...
	One of the shows that we did with Jordan, I forget, I think we were in the UK, there was a father and son at the show by coincidence and the son was like 16 and they hadn't, I'm slightly butchering this, the son was like 16 and they hadn't seen each other in four years and they both just happened to be at the show and then saw each other, started hysterical crying, they came backstage after, like amazing things are happening if you open your eyes to it and sometimes it just has to be Offline, to make it happen.
	Much respect for your decision, Dave.
	You're on the right side of history.
	Don't abandon your path.
	Yeah, you know, what do I have better to do than save the world?
	Jacob, thank you.
	Vidar, thank you.
	Ryan, thank you.
	Mike, thank you.
	Kay, Carla, thank you.
	All right, guys, 10 more minutes, 10 more minutes, if you want a Rubin Select mug that will never be created again because they were created for Patreon.
	I'll sign it right here for you.
	50 bucks on a monthly donation at DaveRubin.com slash donate.
	T-shirts are right here.
	I feel like I should be selling the set it and forget it chicken.
	Where's Ron Popeil when you need him?
	Tony, thank you.
	Laura, thank you.
	Superchat, I really enjoyed watching your channel and exploring how you went into things openly and listening.
	You're doing a great job.
	You started my journey on educating myself on current day topics and asking harder questions.
	I love to hear that.
	That's what it's all about.
	You, Jordan, and Sam are the real defenders of free speech.
	Is there anything Patreon slash Twitter can say, do to regain the trust of true liberals like you guys?
	Look!
	If right now, look, there's someone at Patreon watching this, right?
	Like, maybe Conti's watching this right now, or Jacqueline Hart, or some of our other representatives over at Patreon.
	If you guys are watching this right now, for A, this is nothing personal to you.
	I am just doing what I think is right because you guys are not defending principles that I believe are the most fundamental basic American principles.
	We have to be able to exchange ideas with each other.
	We have to be able to exchange money with each other.
	We have to be able to interact with each other.
	Now, I get it.
	All these other platforms are doing things.
	Twitter's banning people, Facebook bans people, etc, etc.
	I felt this was the right one to fight.
	But, Conti, if you're watching this right now...
	or any representative at Patreon, if you want to come in here and talk about these things
	and tell me why I'm wrong about this, tell me why the platform isn't going to do this again,
	now I'd welcome it. Would I believe you? Probably not, because you already told me
	that only manifest observable behavior, mob, would get someone kicked off the platform,
	and that's not what happened in this case, and you also lied to the New York Times,
	and the New York Times doesn't care that you're lying by saying this happened on your platform,
	which it didn't happen. But I want these things to be better. That's the funny thing. It's like,
	when people, people, if I complain about YouTube, right, people will be like, oh,
unidentified		you know, you should just get off YouTube.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		I said this before.
		And it's like, no, you complain about things and you fight for things to be better so that hopefully your voice can be heard.
		That is the essence of expressing what freedom is.
		Being a free person in a free society doesn't just mean laying there and taking it all the time.
		It means that you use what you can use, whatever those tools are within the context of being a free person, to hopefully affect things better.
		So if enough of us rose up and said, you know what?
		Patreon, we're not going to take this.
		Maybe they would change their minds.
		Maybe?
		There has to be.
		I know there are a couple people, probably a patron, who have a flickering brain cell,
		who are probably watching this, or watched some of the videos that Jordan and I did,
		or noticed that Sam left, or whatever, that are going, maybe this is the wrong thing.
		And that's why the people that wanna deplatform everybody, they're afraid of ideas.
		They're afraid that if you hear an idea, it could completely change what you think about everything,
		and you'll turn against them.
		Well, you might, 'cause their ideas are often pretty bad, and they don't wanna defend their ideas,
		So they think, okay, it's easier to just call someone a racist and de-platform them, now I'm the winner.
		Which is why it's so interesting that I see so much intellectual flexibility on the right these days, where conservatives will debate and talk to almost anybody, and be willing to defend those ideas.
		And it's almost gone on the left.
		Shoutouts to Rachel, to Danny, to Will, and Mary, you're getting a mug!
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dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		By the way guys, some people have told us do not wash these mugs in the dishwasher because it might wash away the signature.
		I'm using a very fancy Sharpie industrial strength pen here, but hand wash these lightly.
		That's the best way to keep the signature on there.
		Alright, we got five more minutes.
		Oh, by the way, did I mention I'm going to be on Tucker Carlson tonight talking about, you're not going to believe this people, Free speech and Patreon.
		So I will be on tonight.
		I think I'm on the second half of the show.
		So that's what's that eight o'clock Eastern.
		So I'll probably be on around 845 Eastern, which is about 545 Pacific.
		And I mean, look, it's a guy, a guy like Tucker.
		A guy like Tucker, four years ago I thought he was in complete opposition to everything, I think.
		I think he's shifted on some things, I think I've shifted on some things.
		And that's why I said 2018 was going to be the year of unusual alliances, say Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson, say Kanye West and Donald Trump.
		And I think this year there's going to be a quiet revolution of sanity.
		I think that's going to be what's happening here.
		Oh, again, you know, I do want to mention, so one of the things, as we roll people into DaveRubin.com slash donate, our hope is that when we build this new thing, we'll just be able to roll you right into it, because we don't want people to have to sign up for things and cancel things and sign up again.
		All of that remains to be seen.
		We're trying to figure it out.
		So this is just, this is just giving us breathing room right now to figure out everything else.
		Okay, guys, we've got five minutes left.
		Five minutes left.
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		The whole freakin' thing.
		Christian is getting a mug.
		That's right, Christian's getting a mug.
		Okay, five more minutes.
		Who else wants a mug?
		And shoutouts, I'm giving shoutouts.
		Alan, thank you very much.
		Let's see.
		Have you seen Tim Poole's coverage of Sargon and Patreon, especially his interview with YouTuber Law?
		I didn't see that, but I have seen some.
		I've been in contact constantly with Tim.
		We may get him in.
		He's going to be in LA, I think, the end of January.
		We may get him in here.
		Is there any chance you could have an ANCAP economist on to debate Weinstein on his ideas?
		I'm not sure which Weinstein you're talking about, but I assume you're talking about Eric, because he does more on economics.
		That would be interesting.
		I did a public event with Eric Weinstein and Yaron Brook from ARI, Ayn Rand Institute, in New York a couple months ago, which was really, really good, and they really got into it about regulation.
		Maybe we can pull that off.
		As I said, we're going to be doing a partnership with ARI over the next couple months.
		Maybe I can get the two of them to sit down, so hang on to that.
		Are the people reaching out to you from Facebook and Google doing it out of the fear of losing free speech?
		Are these people worried about censorship?
		Yeah.
		I think people have realized that what's happening at these companies is not good, and they're quietly trying to figure out ways to solve it.
		And again, I say, if these companies start cleaning up their acts, start respecting free speech, why is it that everyone that gets banned is always on the right?
		You can literally, anyone right now watching this, including myself, could start calling everybody a white supremacist, right?
		I could call everybody on the right a white supremacist.
		I could call Donald Trump a white supremacist.
		I could call Ben Shapiro a white supremacist and a white nationalist and a KKK member.
		I mean, these things that are lies and they're the worst sort of damaging, dishonest things you can say about somebody.
		Nobody gets banned for that.
	There's plenty of other things if you call people, and people on the left do this to people on the right all the time.
	The other way you get banned, if you do it the other way.
	So this is a problem.
	This is an asymmetric war.
	Shout out to Terrence and Ryan, you're getting a mug!
	All right, I got a couple more mugs there.
	Can one of you guys come in here and hand me those mugs?
	Let's move these last mugs.
	I got five more mugs there.
	Let's move them.
	I got three minutes, people.
	Three minutes to move five mugs.
	DaveRuman.com slash donate.
	I'm gonna sign your mug, I'm gonna give you a t-shirt, then I'm going to drink a little tea, and then I'm going to see Tucker Carlson.
	We got another Ryan for a mug.
	May I have a mug right there?
	Hand me a mug.
	One mug.
	Look at this, the magic of YouTube.
	Oops, that's, oh!
	Yeah, yeah.
	Wow, you're getting the old-school mug.
	Ryan is getting the old Rubin Report mug.
	The big mug that I drink out of myself.
	These are the new ones.
	You're getting the big-ass mug, Ryan.
	All right, there you go.
	Holy cow, a lot's going on here.
	All right, guys, we got about two minutes left.
	Something...
	When platforms abuse their status, I feel powerless.
	When creators like you lead by example, I'm hopeful.
	Thank you for taking the stand.
	By the way, will you vote for Kanye in 2024?
	Good luck to you and Happy New Year.
	At this point, you know, it's as likely as anything else.
	We'll see.
	Okay.
	Have you considered having an open-minded quantum physicist sit down with you, Jordan, and Ben to discuss conscientiousness, truth, and reality?
	That could be amazing.
	Who do you recommend on that?
	Give me a name.
	Give me a name.
	Shout out to Manuel.
	I gotta move these last couple mugs, people.
	DaveRubin.com slash donate.
	I read that one.
	Let's see.
	Will you speak to the issue of American Legislative Exchange Council and why aren't we hearing more about the anti-American policies being put into place?
	No one seems to know who they even are.
	I'm going to have to include myself in that.
	I'm actually not totally sure what you're talking about, so hang tight.
	Hey Dave, I'm a seasoned iOS developer here who can certainly help with the Patreon alternative and more.
	How do I get involved?
	Resume is ready.
	Go to rubinreport.com slash contact.
	Drop me a line.
	We're categorizing.
	I can't respond to all these emails right now.
	As I said, I have like five jobs as is, and now I'm like a tech person.
	But what I'm trying to do is I have somebody that I trust who knows a lot about all of this, who I'm forwarding all of these emails to, we're putting them all in the database, and I think maybe at some point I may try to pull off a day where we just invite a gajillion people together to talk this all out.
	So if you are developing, you are interested, this is a good way to end all of this.
	Go to rubinreport.com slash contact, drop us a line, and I promise at some point We will try to get back to you.
	Logan, thank you very much.
	Okay, just a reminder guys, January 9th, Brett Weinstein and I, I'm doing stand-up for about an hour and then we're doing a live sit-down in Ontario, California at the Ontario Improv.
	On January 30th, I'm at Irvine, California at the Irvine Improv with a member of the IDW.
	Thank you to Christopher.
	January 29th, I'm at, where the hell am I?
	Cal State Fullerton.
	Mama Mia.
	A lot going on here.
	Alright, I'm gonna put this down unless there's these last few shoutouts.
	Thank you guys.
	That really, like, look at this.
	I'm sitting in a room, I'm surrounded by a hundred mugs right now.
	You guys are making this thing happen.
	And it's humbling, it's incredibly...
	I'll keep going.
	I'll keep going if you keep going.
	I mean, that's the best thing I can say, right?
	Sort of like Dirk Diggler's speech when he first was winning the awards in Boogie Night.
	He says, I'll keep rocking and rolling if you keep rocking and rolling.
	That's kind of what I feel about this.
	It's like, let's do this together.
	I'm one guy, I happen to be doing this.
	There are a lot of allies out there.
	There's a lot more support for all of these ideas than you're gonna hear about because the other people have silenced everybody pretty damn effectively.
	But maybe that's what, That's what the beauty of this is.
	I wanted to say this earlier, but so the year was ending, and I was going away with my brother and sister for the end of the year to take a couple of days off, and I really was gonna try to disconnect, and you guys know I like to try to get offline when I can.
	And then the Sargon thing broke, and I was sitting on a beach in Florida, and I had my phone, and I was like, man, this sucks.
	I needed just three or four days to just stare at the ocean and clear my mind, but I know how important all this was.
	Something hit me.
	It was like, this was exactly how the year was supposed to end.
	It was like, it was such a great year and everything was tracking so properly.
	And then right at the end, it was like...
	The world kind of flipped.
	Life just throws you these things.
	Life throws you a lemon, and what do you do?
	You make lemonade.
	And it's like, something weird just happened here, but I think that, I know that for me at least, every time something weird has come along the road, that if I've kept my wits about myself, and I've been honest with myself and the people around me, that we've been able to make the right decisions to go forward.
	I think that's what I see for myself.
	I think it's probably what you see for yourself.
	And we'll just keep going.
	So this does feel right to me.
	If you would have told me a month ago, Man, you're going to be cancelling Patreon and giving up the $30,000 a month that's on there and having to figure out all sorts of new stuff.
	And by the way, we're completely redoing our website and a whole bunch of other things.
	I would have been like, you're nuts.
	I'm not going to do that.
	I'm going to voluntarily do that.
	Who gives up 60 or 70% of their company's revenue voluntarily?
	But I know it's the right thing to do.
	And for the financial hit that we'll take, even though obviously we're making some of it back here, it's like, Where there's no risk, there's no reward.
	So we're just gonna keep going.
	Final shout-outs to Christopher, to Bernadette, and Michael, unless someone else joins by the time I finish this sentence, you are getting the last mug of the day.
	So here we go.
	Michael's getting the last mug.
	There we go.
	Michael, that's for you.
	Really, thank you guys.
	You know, we'll have a couple other We may do a couple other live streams in the next week or so just so we can let people know about what's going on with the Patreon situation.
	This is all unfolding.
	As Jordan and I said, we're going to be as open and honest with you as we possibly can as we figure out all of these things.
	We're listening to you and, you know, I think that's it for now.
	Stand up January 9th, Ontario, California January 30th in Irvine, California And I got to stop talking for about an hour so that I can do this with Tucker later.
	So check check out Fox News about 845 or so Eastern Time with Tucker Carlson.

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