The Roseanne Barr Podcast - The Dragon’s Prophecy W/ Dinesh D’Souza | The Roseanne Barr Podcast #118

Oct. 4, 2025 - The Roseanne Barr Podcast

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The Dragon’s Prophecy W/ Dinesh D’Souza | The Roseanne Barr Podcast #118

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	Greetings, earthlings and humans and others, whatever you got.
	I'm glad you're here.
	Especially animals, the highest form of intelligence on this planet, as far as I'm concerned, because animals, unlike humans, don't need to bullshit themselves in order to feel the joy of living.
	So that's much higher than humans.
	Welcome to the Roseanne Bar podcast.
	Oh you see, my patience is growing thin Oh boy, have we got a banger of a show today?
	It's going to be a barn burner of a banger of a show today, I think.
	Um, you know how I love to speak with geniuses, and I have them all the time, but this one is a great one.
	A genius filmmaker and a unique voice in America, uh carrying on in the tradition of the forefathers of America, a great American, a great artist, and a for sure genius.
	Uh Dinesh De Suza, hi Dinesh.
	Roseanne, it's such a pleasure to be back.
	I think we we last did this uh for police date a few years ago.
	Great movie.
	And um, and um, boy, um isn't it good that we got through all that, although not unscathed, I guess.
	And we're in a bit of a new era.
	So uh this new film is a film for today, for the for these times.
	Yeah, I want to talk to you about the film in a minute, but uh, you know, the dragon's prophecy.
	Right?
	Heck of a title, I must say.
	Yeah.
	And we just had Jonathan Kahn on, our last show.
	So uh, you know, we we talked about it with him, and then you've made a movie about it.
	Right.
	Um Debbie and I, my wife, we went to Israel in December of 22, and we discovered we we fell in love with Israel and the people.
	I felt like I was in the land of the Bible, you know, which is unusual these days, because you can go to places, you go to Rome, you go to Stockholm, you go to Copenhagen.
	Those places have all become homogenized.
	They all look kind of the same.
	But Jerusalem is still Jerusalem.
	It's there's a still the resonance of a biblical time.
	So in any event, we discover biblical archaeology.
	I've been writing about Christian history and apologetics for two decades, but much of that stuff I didn't know, and some of it has come out of the ground in recent years.
	I mean in the last decade.
	So I was like mesmerized by all that, and then of course, nine months later, October 7th, and uh I realized that that's that's uh epical event.
	And so I was trying to connect these two things together, and I realized they are connected in the sense that ultimately this is an argument over whose land is it.
	And one way you answer that question is you ask who are the original inhabitants of this place.
	So biblical archaeology, October 7th.
	There is uh a nexus, there is a link.
	And then along marches in Jonathan Khan, who um publishes his book called The Dragon's Prophecy, and he made an observation that blew me away, which is that he said, Look, what's going on here is like a biblical event, and that the battles between Israel and Hamas are a kind of echo.
	He calls it a resurrection of ancient battles between the Israelites and you know, of course, there were the Moabites, there were the Hittites, but notably the most persistent of the enemies of ancient Israel, the Philistines.
	Yeah.
	And he doesn't just claim this, and he doesn't just hang it on the word Philistine Palestine, which is the same word.
	He goes into it with a rigor and a detail that I was like, I don't think people have heard this.
	I think I can pull this tapestry together into a film, and so that's what we did.
	Yeah, he takes it all the way back to source, doesn't he?
	Well, he I love the example of Samson, where you know, Samson is the biblical hero.
	He represents the strength of Israel, and uh he's captured by guess who the Philistines.
	And uh the Philistines blind him in much the same way that Israel is blinded in October 7th.
	And what do the Philistines do?
	The Bible says they dragged him to Gaza.
	Now, that area, the Gaza Strip, what we call the Gaza Strip today, was Philistia, but in Philistia, the land of the Philistines, there were five cities, notably Gaza.
	And so Samson ends up in Gaza, and then this is the crusher.
	It says the people of Gaza demanded that he be stripped and that he be brought out for their entertainment.
	What a key word.
	And then I remembered October 7th, October 8th.
	This is exactly what happens in Gaza.
	They bring out hostages, they're stripped, people are dancing with joy.
	Allahu Akbar.
	And so what Khan is saying is that when you look at this through the lens of the Bible, it takes on a much wider and and even a spiritual significance.
	That's what I think I found really profound.
	And you know, I have to say, Roseanne, obviously none of us could have anticipated Charlie Kirk's assassination.
	People are talking now about like a spirit of not just political and cultural but spiritual renewal.
	And I want this film to be a part of that.
	Do you well then we have talked about Charlie Kirk, right?
	We should talk about Charlie Kirk.
	He's this is I think that's another epical event of its own.
	It definitely is.
	And I remember just the eerie feeling.
	Debbie and I were right five rows from the front in the funeral and just hearing these, one after the other, cabinet ministers talking about God.
	I mean, I I've never heard anything like that in American politics.
	And you know, I was a young guy in the Reagan White House.
	Reagan would Reagan would refer to God once or twice, you talk about the man upstairs, but it was in this whimsical, generic tone.
	Uh here it was very clear, you're talking about people with very passionate conviction about returning to the principles of the Bible.
	Um were you at all um?
	What's the word, Jake?
	Were you at all alarmed by any of it?
	Well, I was alarmed.
	You mean alarmed by the speeches or alarmed by the event by Charlie's assassination?
	Yeah, by the event for um The memorial?
	Yeah, kind of because something was alarming to me about it.
	And uh I mean it's one thing if the president and his cabinet were talking about a return to God and all that stuff that included all Americans, including Jewish Americans and you know, Buddhist Americans and all like religious groups in America, because it's supposed to be a big tent, right?
	Right.
	But it seem it it seemed like uh and uh it it was only one group of um Americans they were talking to.
	And then when they capped it off with uh Goebbels, I mean Tucker Carlson.
	It was like, oh, how do you expect to keep a big tent when you're doing crap like that?
	You know, and it was very alarming to me.
	Like, what are they doing to MAGA?
	Are they turning this into a Christian nationalist movement?
	Because really I don't want any part of that.
	I don't want any part of the of a uh church and state of something with no separation between church and state where there is a one religion sanctified by the government.
	That's not America as I remember.
	No, I mean I agree with this completely.
	I I do think I wasn't bothered by it for this reason.
	I saw it not so much as a governmental event, but as a Charlie event that was a resonance of Charlie himself.
	In other words, it's a private event.
	You know, here's a guy, this is his funeral, really, except it was a funeral with 100,000 people, which is not going to be your funeral or mine, I don't think.
	And so I think everybody got in the spirit of that.
	Now, weirdly, and my wife will corroborate this, I get up to march off to the bathroom, which is going to the bathroom in that kind of rally is like a 30-minute process.
	I come back, and like Tucker is in the middle of his speech.
	I missed the, you know, like a key part, but then of course, the day after I see all the commentary and so on.
	And you know, it I I do think that there's something very bad going on here.
	Um I've known Tucker not well, but off and on for 30 years.
	Uh in fact, when Tucker started out, he worked for a magazine, and I was a managing editor of it.
	He came in as like an intern, but I left almost immediately after he came to go to the White House.
	Uh so I met him, I knew him a little bit, and we've stayed in touch over the years.
	Last year, Tucker and I did a uh speaking tour in Australia together.
	We spoke in like eight cities and was like put on by this Australian billionaire.
	And he was perfectly cordial.
	None of this came up at all.
	We're talking about COVID, police state.
	We're talking about political targeting.
	We're talking about globalism.
	But then suddenly this eruption all in recent months, and it's put it's put me in a very awkward position because I've been reluctant to call him out.
	He's someone I've known.
	And it also makes it look like, you know, well, our side is fighting.
	And yet I I don't see how one can ignore these trends because they are they're they um they have the potential, in my view.
	They're spiritually corrosive, they're politically divisive inside of the Republican Party.
	They they have the potential of destroying the MAGA movement.
	Yes, that's what I think.
	Um and they have the potential of doing a lot of harm to the country in general.
	So for all of that, the stakes are a lot bigger than Tucker.
	Um they and this phenomenon has to be addressed.
	And I I'm I plan to be part of that.
	Yeah, me too.
	Um it's like uh, well, Tucker was um we were talking before about, and I don't know if you want to go into it, but you don't have to if you don't want to.
	But Tucker was kind of brought in, and he uh well he he's like the uh and has been for a long time.
	His uh he candis, Nick Fuentes, they are uh kind of a cudgel against MAGA and uh and the growing uh numbers of disaffected uh youth that are following all that all that it's MK Ultra.
	Some odd Josh, uh you know, my brother-in-law, if you guys don't know, you've been calling him at RepublicLifNow.com.
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	Um Josh are in the trenches every day with our kids.
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	You know, to subtly be um uh uh what's the word um inferring?
	No, when they're trying to seduced, subtly seduced into a uh uh subtly being Islamiszed.
	That's what I see, which is like the UN agenda 30's one world religion, which is Chris Lam.
	So they're being Chris Lamised.
	And Chrislam is the you know, one world religion that big money, big power likes, because it's also though hor horrifically, the destruction of Christianity, the teachings of Jesus, and Judaism.
	And it's like a whole new thing, pioneered in Jeremiah Wright's church, where you know, they just are making up a whole a whole new thing, where uh American youth subtly being seduced into um uh wanted to bring many more deerborns here,
	and ultimately a caliphate, and that's how I see it, and it has paid ops that continually Blame Israel, our ally of 30 years, and the this country that we get our intelligence about the Middle East from, whether, you know, and of course it has rogue bad people in it too, just like our CIA does.
	But ultimately, that's where we get our intelligence for around the world.
	And uh, you know, they're on the wrong side, and I think that it is the destruction of America's soul.
	And I'm horrified by it.
	And uh it just dimensions to this.
	The um, I mean, first of all the the case for Israel is a biblical case, it is a uh moral case, by which I mean it's the root of Western civilization, Athens and Jerusalem.
	There's a practical case.
	Uh when I've debated this issue, I start with the practical case.
	I basically go, look, you know, we give 3.8 billion dollars to Israel.
	Frankly, much of that ends up in the pockets of the defense contractors.
	Yeah.
	But more importantly, I don't know a better return on investment than that pittance of a money.
	You know, we give money all over the world and people twiddle their thumbs or they turn around and insult us, give us the middle finger.
	Uh with Israel, we have a country on the front line that actually knows how to fight radical Islam and is doing it.
	Yeah.
	America, I have to say, just based upon close spectatorial experience of the last 25 years, we do not know how to fight radical Islam.
	At law at all.
	At all.
	We start out with Jimmy Carter, he pulls the Persian rug out from under the Shah.
	Whoops, we get Khomeini.
	Yeah.
	That's how radical Islam gets a major state.
	America started it.
	Yeah.
	Then after 9-11, we go over there with big uh, you know, uh pomp and circumstance, uh, shock and awe, boom, the Taliban is out of Afghanistan, but guess what?
	They're back.
	So you can't say we won that long term.
	And then of course Iraq is a big mess, we don't have to go into.
	So we don't know what we're doing.
	And for 3.8 billion, you've got these like super sleutes on the ground, you know.
	Uh they got pages, hello, Abdullah, we ready for our next attack.
	Kaboom.
	I mean, this is genius.
	I mean, I wish I thought of it.
	Yeah.
	Um, if our CIA did it, I would be beyond shocked because they don't know how to do it.
	Uh so Israel's doing it.
	Um and then you have this cabal of people in this country who basically go point the finger at Israel and go, you're the problem.
	Uh it's downright insanity.
	Because I think in the real world, you don't get to choose between like uh the good guy and the bad guy.
	You're choosing between what's out there.
	And the choice right now is basically it's either Israel or it's radical Islam.
	And let's look at it from the radical Muslim point of view.
	They're the little Satan, we're the great Satan.
	So they actually understand how this all stacks up.
	Oh, they get it totally.
	They get it totally.
	But we don't.
	And I mean, uh I I was just looking at the internet, I'm like, my God, they have totally censored any kind of sane opinion on the any kind of sane opinion about what's really going on in the Middle East, specifically Israel, what Israel's doing, they have censored anything sane about Israel on all uh almost all fronts on YouTube, on BitChute.
	It's all just and it just puked anti-Semitism everywhere.
	And I mean, they've won.
	And they've targeted the minds of the youth, and they're all gonna be like uh, you know, listening to Candace and Nick Fuentes and uh Tucker Carlson, and I imagine Charlie Kirk was really bothered by that.
	I imagine he felt pr they say, oh, he felt pressured by Israel, but he didn't have a lot of Jewish donors at all.
	And I think that he was feeling pressured by uh those people's uh rising numbers.
	Charlie's donors are looking in any organization that is ha is a youth organization, you have a constituency, which is young people, and you're gonna get money from older people.
	So the older people are going to represent the mainstream of the Republican Party, which is pro-Israel.
	This may have a subset of Jews in it, but it's not primarily Jews.
	Right.
	It's it's basically rich people of an older generation who believe in the Reaganite tradition that Israel is our best ally.
	So, yes, it's not the first time in the history of nonprofits that you got, you know, a guy navigating Between a younger constituency that's, as you say, being kind of seduced or tempted away to an anti-Israel position, and then his money is coming from basically pro-Israel people.
	That's not going to get him assassinated.
	That's actually normal.
	When I was at AEI, you know, you'd have all these corporations that were giving us money.
	All right.
	And then the AEI economists who are free market guys would say, listen, we're against government bailouts, we're against uh any kind of uh subsidies, and all these companies would be like, wait a minute, we want subsidies for us.
	You know, and so tension between you know our our free market constituency, that's why we exist, and of course, the donors who are corporate and generally support free markets, but on the other hand, if they can get something from the government, they're only too happy to take advantage of it.
	So I think this is this was Charlie's predicament.
	But to go from that, which is a completely normal situation that he was trying to navigate, to somehow, you know, uh there was like take a look at this picture, guys.
	Here is a pipe uh that can be seen in the in the video of Charlie's assassination.
	I think there was like a Mossad guy who came out of that pipe.
	That was the real shooter.
	I mean, this kind of stuff is so idiotic and and bad for our side.
	Uh and so it uh I it's hard for me to build.
	Carlson before the assassination of Charlie.
	Of course.
	I mean, I I was telling you uh just before we got started that I know one of them, uh probably Charlie's largest owner.
	And he this is a guy who had sort of had it.
	And I think what it was is that uh at the beginning he saw that look, you know, Tucker's got a big following.
	A lot of Tucker's admirers became admirers not because of the anti-Semitism, not because of his view of Israel.
	They were admirers when he was on Fox News, they supported him when he got fired.
	He was the like ultimate like poster boy of political incorrectness.
	Yeah.
	This was the appeal of Tucker.
	Well, that's why we all liked it.
	We all like Tucker.
	You did a tour with him.
	I did not too long ago, yeah.
	Yeah.
	So uh yes, the Charlie had a donor problem prior to all that.
	And uh because a lot of his donors did not like Tucker Carlson.
	Well, they also didn't like the degree of prominence.
	Like they noticed that even after all this, even after Charlie had heard from like 30 people or 100 people, this is a problem.
	Like who's the keynote speaker at their upcoming like December conference?
	Tucker Carlson, who was right up there at the funeral.
	I mean, it's not easy to get that speaking slot, Tucker Carlson.
	So I think this is symbolic of a problem in the Republican Party.
	I do too.
	Uh, and and one that has to be taken head on.
	Now, I think with the problem with it a little bit is this, and that is that Tucker is the man who, quote, asks questions, right?
	That's how he says, I'm not I'm not taking a position, I'm only asking questions.
	Candace takes the, I would call it, and all of this is slightly comedic, but in a dark way.
	She's always conducting a personal investigation.
	She's like, I I've I've got my journalists, I want to recruit you, my audience to be journalists, send me videos.
	We're gonna get to the truth of the truth of the matter.
	Citizen journalism.
	Now, all of this has a kind of respectable patina.
	Veneer.
	It's a veneer because, first of all, this journalism never produces anything.
	It never actually comes to a conclusion.
	It actually never produces an incontestable fact where all of us can look at it and go, you know what?
	That is obviously true.
	We didn't know that before.
	We need to revise our previous understanding.
	It's never like that.
	It's always some extremely wacky theory that never goes anywhere and is replaced by another even more wacky theory.
	So this is the surreal world we are moving into.
	Uh and I'm all for asking questions.
	Me too.
	In a way, it embarrasses me because most of the time.
	I want to ask, I want to do a citizen uh inquiry into the one thing Candace will never do, and that's uh the Catholic Church and its horrible record on child uh molestation and trafficking.
	Candace ought to look into that.
	Boy, that'd get her a lot more viewers.
	But I plan to do that, and why she apologizes for all that and hides it.
	Well, the other thing about the church that has um that has been very disturbing is the way in which, well, the Catholic Church was Hit with a lot of lawsuits.
	They I think were facing in certain areas major bankruptcy.
	Yeah.
	But then they discovered almost like a business, like another source of revenue.
	Illegals.
	Right?
	Because if they you can set up shop on the border as the a group that navigates these massive caravans that come, you know, 2,000 miles and arrive at the U.S. charities brought them over.
	Catholic charities.
	Catholic charities basically became like an unbelievably lucrative revenue operation.
	And funded, by the way, not just by funded by U.S. taxpayers indirectly, funded by NGOs, funded by international organizations, USAID.
	All of this stuff.
	And so this is the backdrop of all that.
	But let me put it this way.
	When I started my career, I was myself like a young Charlie Kirk, right?
	I was speaking on campuses.
	My first book was called Illiberal Education.
	Right.
	And so I lived that life of three days, four days a week, going from one campus to the other, often flying cross-country.
	Of course, it was a different era.
	I never had to worry.
	I didn't think I genuinely worried about getting shot.
	At the most, I thought some guy will rush the stage and be intercepted by some overweight campus policeman.
	You know, it's it's gonna be okay.
	I'm I'll live through it.
	Um but I've tried to be an iconoclast asking questions, but you have to ask questions in the right way, and you have to do it seeking truth.
	You're not asking questions to poison the well.
	And so when you have a guy who's asking questions like this, all right, well, you know, I I just wonder whether we might have been better to ally with you know Hitler in World War II against Stalin.
	I'm like, wait a minute.
	Yeah, you know, our grandfathers died fighting Hitler.
	Right.
	And then of course you'll hear something like, you know, well, I'm not the only guy who's saying, oh, you know, Patton said that.
	No, Patton didn't say that after the war.
	Patton said, having won the war and vanquished the Nazis, maybe we're gonna have to deal with the the Soviet Union now, and maybe we should march all our way to uh all our way to Moscow.
	That's a whole different thing.
	And so, but for young people who are amnesiac and don't know the nuances of all this, they go, Oh, well, Patton said it really.
	Um, so I think that these this kind of asking of questions is not as it needs to be, a search for truth and genuine debate.
	Um, you said it is poisoning the well.
	It's poisoning the well, it's poisoning the well.
	And on so many different counts.
	The other thing that's going on, you've you know you've heard about this is this whole notion, and here I'm gonna go a little bit into the sort of the into Christianity a little bit, replacement theology.
	Oh, it is replacement theology.
	So Jeremiah Wright, the whole leftist thing, all the way.
	Right.
	Now I want to I just want to state AGB color revolution, it's all the same.
	But but let's look at it for how how this replacement theology is just from the Christian point of view, extremely heretical and destructive.
	Absolutely because um, and I'm not coming at it from the point of view of like a Protestant dispensationalist.
	No, I mean, I'm I see myself in the C.S. Lewis mode as like what he calls mere Christianity, which is the very mainstream, the basics of Christianity, going back 2,000 years.
	And so in the mainstream of Christianity, we learn that the New Testament is in the old concealed, and the Old Testament is in the new revealed.
	In other words, the Old Testament and the new, the the Hebrew scriptures and the Christian scriptures are joined at the hip.
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	They cannot be separated.
	They cannot be replaced.
	In fact, in Islam, as you know, there's a doctrine of abrogation, which is that like later verses cancel out the earlier verses, you know.
	And so, but nothing like that in Christianity.
	In Christianity, the Christians are engrafted into the Jewish root.
	AND they become you could almost say spiritual Israelites that's a phrase Jonathan Khan uses and I like it I like it a lot but there is no question that somehow trying to cut off the old testament and push it away and some of these Christians are yeah but Jesus but Jesus well in Christian theology there are three persons and one God right there's God the Father there's God the Son that's Jesus and the Holy Spirit well what are we going to do?
	Cut God the Father out that's the old testament and what leave two people in the Trinity I mean if you tell this is a Pope he would have a heart attack he'd fall over well maybe not the new Pope but they look I mean I I like what I think it was I don't remember if it was Benedict or if it was John Paul II he said listen it is the holy land for everybody but it is the promised land to the Jews.
	He was talking about the about Israel um so look we have a big fight on our hands Mohammed says it too yeah interesting that's why we say they're actually all Zionists they're all Zionists they're all arguing over Jerusalem it's not just the Jews Christians Islam they all have a claim to that land and they're all fighting for it.
	That's what we're witnessing today.
	Right.
	But the Christians don't want it I mean the Christians aren't trying to take the land politically right the Muslims want the physical control of the land uh so in that sense it's it's it's a little it's a little different but uh and look so when we embarked on this film quite honestly we we knew about October 7th we knew about the biblical archaeology we were entranced by Jonathan Khan's introduction of elements of like biblical prophecy the book of Revelation very eye-opening stuff.
	In fact the title the Dragon's Prophecy comes out of a passage where the dragon which is Satan is at war with a woman representing Israel and so that's um a kind of um an image or metaphor for what's going on but we didn't know that we would be facing these powerful currents not only from the left but from the right that seek to delegitimize Israel and in effect help radical Islam.
	Now I know why the left wants to help radical Islam well I don't know entirely because of course think of how what strange bedfellows those two can be it doesn't make any sense.
	Right exactly the LGBTQ people wouldn't survive very well under Sharia.
	Yeah tell them what your sister calls them it's hilarious.
	Oh my sister calls the she's gay but she calls them rooftoppers the rooftoppers yes hello there's the window keep walking anyway sorry they're so severely brainwashed yeah that they're actually the uh working a lemming program of their own destruction I think from the left but that's how I see it's anti-colonization is what it is it's anti is the left doesn't know what it's doing but the Muslims do.
	So the left thinks listen we got all these ethnic groups they all you know these people identify as black and these people identify as LGBTQ and these people identify as feminists and hey these people identify as radical Muslims so you're just another ethnic group.
	Right.
	Of course from the radical Muslim point of view it's like listen we are outsiders to this society we need someone to give us passports so we can kind of get in we can get in the door we can Get on the school board, we can run for office.
	Someone needs to run cover for us when we do bad stuff.
	Um, and and defend us in the name of free speech or legal process.
	We need lawyers to represent us in Guadanamo.
	All your freedoms, all uh Christian democracies freedoms against them, and then get a deer born it right in the heart of it, you know, and then the mayor of Dearborn says last week, no Christians are allowed here.
	He didn't say no Jews are allowed here.
	He said no Christians are allowed here, and they want one, they want a deer born in every state.
	And that's how they'll do it.
	All these uh gays are going uh Israel is uh, you know, it it's so brilliant how they've done it, and now they have to do it on the right because they all already got the whole left working for them, and now they're gonna get the right working for them, you know.
	And it's an exchange of money.
	Because none of them would do it for free because they're all hucksters.
	This is what I was gonna say.
	A lot of them they'll do anything for money.
	People ask me, like, what's the motive?
	Now, I've debated Nick Fuentes.
	I think You have?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, what happens was Nick Fuente is parading himself around, and he's basically going, everybody's too scared to debate me.
	That makes me the alpha male.
	He goes, Tucker won't debate me, Ben Shapiro's too wimpy to debate me.
	He's like, Charlie's a wimp.
	So I'm like, I'll debate you.
	So I I debated him, and it was it it was very he didn't look good, let's put it this way, because of course the guy, his scope of knowledge is like 13 years old, right?
	So he'd say things like regime change is always a bad idea, Dinesh.
	And I'd go, well, Nick, off the top of my head, I can give you 25 examples of where regime changes worked beautifully.
	Right.
	Uh, and I just start rattling them off.
	Uh, and then you can just look in the video, and I had to look at it later.
	If you look at his face, he's like, why did I get into this?
	You know, this, and then of course, his young audience is like, Who the hell is this young?
	Who is this guy debating Nick?
	Because Nick was like their little, you know, King Arthur, Sir Galahad, you know, and they were they're not used to seeing him like embarrassed.
	Um, so that's Nick.
	Nick wants to be Nick is proud of being an anti-Semite.
	Uh he but he claims, and this is part of his so-called witty shtick.
	He goes, 'Well, I'm the intelligent anti-Semite.
	Like Candace is the low great anti-Semite.' She's like the low grade version of me.
	So that's Nick.
	Um, Candace, I don't know as well.
	I was actually a regular speaker at her Blexit events because a lot of her Blexit stuff came out of films I did like Hillary's America, which kind of exposed the secret history of the Democratic Party, all the racism.
	All the racists.
	And so Candace loved me.
	I'd go to her events, uh, and um, but of course, that was a tortur, that was a different Candace.
	Yeah.
	I was gonna say that's a different agenda.
	It's actually a different Candace.
	And and I don't quite know.
	I know that she has always wanted to be a cultural icon.
	Uh-huh.
	She even more than a political icon.
	She was you it's like politics is a stepping stone to be becoming like Kanye West.
	So she aspires to move into that space.
	And I think she realized that this is creates an electric cord with an audience that might open the door for that.
	So that's kind of my reading on Candace.
	Um, Tucker to me is the most puzzling of all.
	Um hard for me to see someone just doing it for the money.
	Tucker's from a wealthy family.
	He's very well off on on his own on his own.
	He's not doing it for money at all.
	Yeah.
	I don't think.
	Well, you know what I think about Tucker, because he was a friend, or I I still tell him he's a friend, and I'm trying to save his soul from going straight to hell and burning there for time and all eternity in a lake of fire, being, you know, anally raped by Satan every single day.
	But um, you know, but you know, because I still have feelings of love for him.
	But uh, you know, Tucker, I told him, you know, when you got attacked by that demon, you know, it took you.
	Because you changed then.
	And that demon, I know its name, and I can help you.
	What is that?
	He just asked me, uh, B. Lock.
	B Lock.
	Uh-huh.
	Is B-Lock?
	I'm trying to do it.
	B Lock is the one that curses Israel.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Donkey.
	Huh?
	The donkey, the biblical donkey.
	Well, B Lock and Bilom was the talking donkey.
	And you know, Tucker does sound like he's talking out of his ass.
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	That demon did take him, and all that demon does is curse Israel.
	And uh that's what happened to Tucker.
	He's possessed.
	You know, ten years ago, the idea that that, you know, a guy like Tucker would be sort of possessed by a demon, it would seem to me so far-fetched, I wouldn't even know what to say about it.
	But as you know, the central theme of the dragon's prophecy is that there is that there's a world behind the world.
	Yeah.
	And that there is a cosmic battle that is going on between God and Satan.
	Yeah, it's just people often say the spirit.
	It says in Torah that God created this world that it would be the place where the war between God and the Satan took place.
	Right.
	And it was just judge your soul, which way are you gonna go?
	And that's exactly what's happening as I see it.
	You too.
	And part of the genius fall.
	You see people fall right before your eyes on TV every day, and we're supposed to the reason Jew, where it says, you know, where it says uh the chosen and all that stuff that everybody doesn't know anything about, what that means is chosen to witness, chosen to witness how how Torah unfolds in the world and how it comes true.
	And that's what that's what the dragon's prophecy is about, too.
	Seeing how the word happens and how it manifests in the word world.
	And you see, people fall off and they go the way of death.
	They choose death, not life.
	So, you know, and you're seeing it every day.
	And I always tell people, your job is to witness, your job is to see it.
	But you know, they don't see it.
	They go, La Dah, I wonder what the Queen of England's up to.
	Or uh, you know, how big Kim Kardashian's butt got this week.
	They're not witnessing what's right in front of them.
	That the wicked are fallen right and left.
	I mean, they're undoing themselves on television in front of us every day.
	Comey, uh, we've waited all these years for you know, the people who betrayed our country and overthrew the the you know, the Republic of uh the United States of America and took so many years to do it, are coming to judgment now.
	We're seeing it.
	We're seeing it, and that we we're not witnessing it.
	And the people who know are uh BSing us about how it's all Trump's fault.
	On on it on on Jimmy Kimmel's show, saying, Oh, Trump, you know, telling us it's Israel, it's Trump, you know, because they don't want us to witness what's right before our eyes and is very obvious.
	I mean, I'm I'm watching MSNBC, and they keep using two words retribution, yeah, and vengeance.
	Right.
	Now, first of all, I am a strong believer that retribution is the very essence of justice.
	Of course.
	And what I mean by that is all justice is based on retribution, right?
	What goes around comes around.
	What you did will be done to you.
	And um, not only that, but rival theories of justice make no sense.
	Sometimes people say, well, Denes justice is really based on deterrence.
	Well, deterrence has nothing to do with the perpetrator or the victim.
	Deterrence means let's calibrate the punishment so some third guy, uninvolved in the situation, is going to have his motive structured right, so he will or will not be more likely to do it.
	But that's nothing to do with the justice of The situation itself.
	And the other thing is, these guys keep talking about retribution and vengeance, and I'm thinking to myself, retribution for what?
	What did you do to this guy that makes him want to be in a mood of retribution?
	Yeah, they always erase the agent and the crime.
	Right.
	Or they turn it upside down.
	You know, they do a uh switch like when you turn the the uh inversion.
	Yeah, but you you know you've got the sand that rolls the hourglass term.
	The flip.
	It goes oh, you aren't the victim, you're the aggressor.
	And this is the essence of, I think this is the essence, because the essence of evil is not uh the opposite of good.
	The essence of evil is the inversion, where good becomes evil, evil becomes good.
	If you can pull that off, now you're like you're like an A student of Satan.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And that is that is where our culture is today.
	I think I think the thing is that Satan is not strong enough to defeat God, right?
	Well, of course not.
	No.
	So what does Satan do?
	He always targets the beloved of God.
	And his idea is if I can ruin them, I get the last laugh.
	I still don't win, but at least I get a major chuckle on God.
	I I've one-upped him in this case.
	So the whole meaning of Genesis 1, to me, the the story of the garden, Adam and Eve, is exactly that.
	Satan targets God's beloved creation, which is man.
	I think for the exact same reason Satan targets the Jews.
	The Jews are the chosen of God.
	All right, let's destroy them.
	Let's take their holy temple that Solomon built, was rebuilt by Herod.
	Let's go stick the Alaksa mosque and the dome of the rock on top as a victory arch, and let's see if we can push the Jews out from the river to the sea.
	Now Because God said, I give you the land between the river and the sea.
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	And so the why the secular godless leftists for this is one thing.
	But to see people in the name of Christianity, in the name of the good, the true, and the beautiful, signing up for this, this is the real scandal.
	I agree.
	It definitely is, and it will bring America down.
	And uh, you know, it will destroy America's soul.
	And uh, you know, I'm terrified of that because I love America, and I don't want to see that happen like it happened to every other nation that did that.
	Israel will be fine.
	Like they go, you want to get rid of Israel, fine.
	You won't destroy Israel.
	Israel will merely pivot to India and make it the technological giant of the world.
	It's America that'll fall.
	Well, first of all, Israel's in the Bible and America isn't.
	So what that tells you right away is that to the degree you've accept the Bible or believe it, it is a there's an unfolding of events, and Israel is at the center of it.
	The United States' position is going to be judged by which side we take.
	Exactly.
	Right.
	Now, we know that the architecture of this country, going back to the founders and long before, they didn't come to this country empty-handed.
	They came bringing Athens and Jerusalem.
	Uh, Athens we know all about it's Socrates, it's philosophy, it's the Greek theater, it's democracy, Pericles.
	But Jerusalem is the controversial part because Jerusalem is based upon this astounding idea of God's revelation, right?
	And I think the Bible to me is a fascinating document because it doesn't prove anything, it just asserts it.
	In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
	And I remember when I was reading this and you know, reading it as a young adult, like at 17, I'm like, who's talking?
	You know what I mean?
	It doesn't say in the beginning, I created the heavens and the earth.
	So there is a witness to use your word, a witness to these events, but the but who is that witness, and on what basis are you supposed to like accept it or believe it?
	Um, this is where I think the archaeology stuff is so fascinating.
	Because for centuries, I mean, if you go back to 1985 and someone were to say to you, prove to me definitively not using the Bible that there was a King David.
	You couldn't do it.
	No, they couldn't do it for a while.
	You couldn't do it at the time.
	Jeremiah, Isaiah, and not only that, minor figures in the Bible.
	I'll just give one example because this to me is so interesting.
	In about the sixth or seventh century BC, you have the prophet Jeremiah, and he's out on the streets, he's railing against the king, a guy named Zedekiah.
	And Jeremiah basically goes, You better straighten up because otherwise the kingdom from the north, the Babylonians are going to invade, they're going to destroy this kingdom, they're you're going to be ruined.
	So the king doesn't believe it, but he's nervous with this guy Jeremiah.
	So he picks two dudes at the court.
	Uh, one is um one is Gedalia son of Pashur, and uh, the other is um is uh Jehukal, son of Shalomiah.
	Minor figures in the Bible barely mentioned in the Hebrew scriptures.
	He goes, go keep an eye on Jeremiah.
	Make sure he's not causing me too much trouble.
	Fast forward 2500 years.
	And recently they're digging in the city of David, and they find 51 seals out of the ground, clay seals that are used to seal documents.
	The documents are lost, but the seals are preserved.
	And one of the seals, Jehukal, son of Shalemiah.
	The other one, Gedalia, son of Pashur.
	Boom.
	Suddenly, like out of the Bible, jump these two guys into the face of history.
	And suddenly you realize there really was a Jehukal.
	There really was a Gedalia.
	There really was a Jeremiah, and there really was a Zedekiah.
	And all these events, you can disagree with the theology, you can reject the miracles, but the fact of the matter is the historicity of the Bible is being proved every day.
	Well, that's why they put the golden dome on top, because what's underneath that uh proves all the history of the Bible, uh, and they don't want us to get to it.
	And you can't dig there.
	No.
	Right.
	But you know, something will happen, and you know, God'll God's God's got it all figured out how the movie'll go.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you're right.
	Earthquake stuff.
	Was this?
	The earthquake stuff.
	Well, I've thought for a long time, because you know, I studied deep Torah, and um, you know, and plus I'm kind of crazy, and I dream things.
	Go for it.
	Let's uh something's about to come out, like you're about to disgorge.
	No, I see things and then they happen.
	My son knows it, and my family knows it.
	But you know, about all five, I don't know how long ago, because I time doesn't work for me.
	But uh I just said there's gonna be a big earthquake in Jerusalem, and you know, I just thought that.
	And then uh so uh I was studying the Star of Jacob that came Friday night, and my mom saw it.
	She said the whole sky was whirling in colors, and uh, you know, and I told her about it, then I fell asleep.
	But my mom did see it.
	And uh, so you know, and it's Atlas III II and all that stuff with the seven comets coming.
	Some say the star of Bethlehem returning, all this stuff.
	But it it also because when the UN, when the all those nations uh voted for the Palestinian state, uh, you know, on target, that was the kickoff of Gogamagog.
	And so that that's a sign of uh Messiah.
	So uh it says that uh after and also in Zohar, it predicts that comet to the day, the 27th, on a Friday, it predicts it to the date, and the star of Jacob.
	So it says that after the star of Jacob, after Gogamagog comes the star of Jacob, and 70 days after that, we'll find out if I'm right.
	But I read it, it goes, uh, an earthquake hits Jerusalem, and I went wow, there's another thing that I thought, and then I read.
	But so now we'll see if it's right.
	Let's timestamp this podcast.
	Okay, so it says 70 days after Gogmagog's uh onset and the star of Jacob comes uh 70 days come after that comes uh earthquake in a major earthquake in Jerusalem, and shortly thereafter comes Messiah.
	So we'll see, but that's what it says.
	Well, you know, this is how the future connects weirdly with the past, because there is currently a debate between two groups of scholars about the location of Sodom and Gomorrah.
	There is a San Francisco?
	No, okay.
	Good one.
	Good one.
	Let's just that maybe the modern day recreation of it.
	Where does it say?
	Well, all right, so Sodom historically was believed to be at the southern end of the Dead Sea on the um on the Jordan side of the of the Dead Sea on the southern tip.
	Uh that's where Albright, one of the founders of biblical archaeology thought it was.
	And and that place was destroyed by a massive earthquake at right about the right time.
	This is what kind of brought it to my to my mind.
	But this is kind of how this is a fascinating element of biblical archaeology.
	Um, Another group of archaeologists said the site cannot be there, because in the Bible it says that Abraham and Lot were standing on a mountain, and they decided, you know, one of you go this direction, the other go that direction.
	And it says, and Lot looked toward the Jordan Valley, right?
	And he saw that it was very fertile, and then he moved in that direction, quote, as far as Sodom.
	So according to these biblical archaeologists, they're like, you can't see the southern end of the Dead Sea from this spot.
	What you can see is the northern end of the Dead Sea.
	And so Sodom, if the Bible is right, would need to be there.
	So they go and start digging.
	Sure enough, as they dig, they find ashes, people blown to smithereens.
	Now, interestingly, that that destruction, which also happens at the same time.
	This is why there's a debate.
	Both cities were totally destroyed.
	But in the case of the northern location, seemingly by some sort of a meteoric blast, um, where the meteor disintegrated in the sky, uh, and essentially everything was obliterated completely into ash, and the remnants of the ash are there.
	So the key to the biblical archaeology is not the Bible says it, therefore it has to be here.
	It's the Bible says it, so let's go and take a look.
	It's a beautiful marriage of sort of theology and science.
	Yeah, that's what it is.
	That's exactly what it is.
	And that's why when I came across it, Debbie and I were looking at each other, we're like, why isn't this being shouted from the rooftops of every synagogue and church?
	Because we're not, you know, young people are trained in the language of history and of secular reason.
	And it's I feel that almost as if as the world has become more secular, as the world is pulled away from God, it's like God is like, all right, I'm gonna send you a message when I'm gonna send it to you in your modern secular language through science, and you're gonna be looking at seals and stones and tablets, and you're not gonna know what to do with it because all this stuff that you thought was mythical, you know, you have these literary critics in the 19th century sitting around going the Bible was written hundreds of years later by people who made half the stuff up.
	Let's ch let's test that.
	That's if you lived 300 years after King Zedekiah, would you have known the names of these two junior officials at the court?
	There's no way you would have known that.
	That's right.
	It had to have the information had to have come by someone very close to those events.
	And this can be said of the entire Hebrew, and I would add Christian scriptures.
	There's a authenticity to it.
	I would say every modern scientific discovery and archaeological discovery only proves the existence of the truth in the Bible and of God.
	Absolutely.
	And so the skeptics now are reduced to, well, we still haven't found Noah's Ark.
	Uh, we still haven't found the Tower of Babel.
	Okay, granted, we haven't found certain things, but let's ask this question.
	Can you cite, and I do this in the film uh to uh old uh uh guy who's been doing archaeology for 40 years in Israel, I go, can you name a single archaeological finding that disputes or contradicts the Bible?
	And he's like, No, and in fact, none exists.
	So this alone is very telling because uh because applying the old idea of the philosopher Karl Popper, refutation is the essence of science.
	If you haven't found Noah's Ark, well keep looking.
	It might turn up 50 years from now.
	Maybe it's an maybe it was destroyed.
	So that proves nothing.
	But if you can f find something where the Bible says X and you can now prove Y, well then you're then you've got got a point, but they don't have a point.
	Well, uh, you know, in in deep teachings, it says that you know, the the messianic, you know, the messianic times will be where it all goes together, or God is proven by science, and science is affected by that.
	But you know, like uh I can't remember who says it, but that hell is the place where there is no reason.
	Don't you love that?
	I love that.
	I love that.
	Uh um we're all of our all of our stuff is going to come together.
	We're we're science and the belief in God are gonna be the very same thing.
	That's what I think is our next uh I hate to say evolution, but uh growth, but uh acknowledgement, Healing of all the splits we got in us.
	It's it's it's so true.
	Um yeah, no, it's it's uh it's absolutely right.
	Uh so you know, I think we're at a moment now, much more than I've seen in my lifetime where the political, the cultural, the moral, the spiritual, are all these rivers are intersecting.
	Yeah.
	And we sort of now have to look at the events in front of us through all these prisms.
	One of them is not sufficient.
	Uh, we use, for example, the Middle East, you know, if you people have been trying to solve the Middle East politically for 50 years or more.
	I remember when I first came to America, there was a Carter Peace Plan, and there was a Reagan plan, the Clinton plan, the Obama, of course, we know about Obama.
	Uh no one has fixed it, right?
	And if they would just shut up and let God fix it, it get fixed real quick.
	But you know, the people that are in the way, the fixers, you know, they're they're not they don't have the right mentality or heart to fix nothing because they're just in there for the grift.
	Let's be real.
	If people of God got together and just prayed together and let things alone, I think that'd be the big fix.
	I think also I'm finding on social media these days, like the the depth of ignorance is very deep.
	Yeah, so it's deeper than I ever feared.
	So people say, like, the Jews don't really belong in that land, but you know what, the Palestinians do.
	Well, let's take a minute for let's put the Jews aside for a moment.
	Let's look at the Palestinian side.
	That area called Gaza, right?
	Which was Philistine territory.
	And granted, there is this kind of onomatological or name similarity between the Philistines and the Palestinians, but it should be very clear, those are not the same people.
	So the Philistines were called the sea peoples, they came from Europe, they came from the Aegean, they were from places like Cyprus.
	So they inhabited that land.
	Palestinians are just Arabs who essentially either colonized or infiltrated that land, and they didn't even do so as Palestinians.
	Recently, when I did a I did a conversation in Jerusalem a few weeks ago with Moab Hassan Youssef, the son of Alas.
	We want to.
	Yeah, this guy.
	I I love the fact that he's like Dunush, he's like, there's no such thing as a Palestinian.
	He's like, there's Palestinianism, and I'd never heard that term.
	I was like, Palestinianism, that's interesting.
	He's like, there is an ideology, but there isn't, in fact.
	I mean, as you know, uh as well as anyone else, but maybe the audience doesn't all know.
	The name Palestine was inflicted on the Jews by the Romans as a punishment.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Right?
	The Jews are doing the Jewish Jewish revolts, the Romans are, we'll teach you a lesson.
	Let's take the name of your ancient enemy, Philistine, and we're gonna rename your country, your nation, Palestine.
	That's how we get Palestine until the Egyptian Yasser Arafat goes, nice name.
	I think we're gonna call ourselves Palestinian.
	Well, he got it from the Mufti of Jerusalem who was Hitler's friend, and they and they uh you know, brainwashed him and raised him.
	He was a royal Egyptian, he was of the royal house of Egypt.
	And uh, you know, they invented uh this whole uh way to rid not only they wanted to chase all the Jews from Europe to the Middle East and kill them there.
	It was a continuum.
	Yeah, and the Arabs fought for the for Germany in the Middle East, and everybody wants to forget that.
	But Glenn Beck, he has a museum and he has the uniform of the Arabs who fought for uh the fourth third Reich, and it's the the sword of Islam over uh the swastika.
	And people don't want to know that either.
	But you know what?
	That's what jihad is the Reich.
	Yeah, and you see it, I think, in October 7th.
	One one of our Definitely uh one of our decisions in this film is how do we start the film?
	And I'm like, well, if you're making a movie about World War II and the Pacific War, you have to start with Pearl Harbor.
	That's what got it going.
	So we want to start with October 7th.
	And um, I think the most significant thing about October 7th is that it was filmed by Hamas.
	Yeah.
	Uh we make the point in the film that that even the Nazis did not parade their atrocities in Germany.
	They hid them.
	And they put all the death camps in Poland in occupied territories, whereas Hamas was really proud of what it did.
	And so the eerie feeling of watching the film when you start it is you're seeing it, but you're not seeing it from the point of view of the victims.
	Normally, if you're showing a home invasion, it's the people in the house or but you're seeing it from the point of view of the home invaders.
	Almost like you have a GoPro and you're riding into Israel with Hamas.
	Why?
	Because they're filming it.
	And I also think what's really eerie is we were in like Nahalas, the kibbutzer were talking to uh Leishai Moran, who's whose husband is a uh hostage.
	In fact, I just saw it on social media just minutes ago before we before we started talking that the Hamas is now claiming they can't find him, that he's quote, disappeared.
	They they've lost him, right?
	But we're talking to Lee Shai, and we're standing like 700 uh yards from the Gaza border.
	You can actually hear bombs, machine gun fire going off in the background.
	And and you know, Lee Shi is talking about what happened on that day, how these guys came through the window, they're heavily armed, they she and her husband and the two children ran into the safe room, so the terrorists go next door, and there's a teenage boy over there, they grab him and they bring him over and they tell him, listen, so the teenage boy knocks on the door and says, please open the door, because if you don't open the door, they're gonna kill me and then they're gonna kill you.
	So they open the door, right?
	But as we're talking, and all of this is in the film, Debbie says, we actually have that footage.
	In other words, from all the live streaming that Hamas did while Lee Shy is talking, it's it's not a case that we're recreating it.
	We have the original footage.
	You can actually see the people coming in the window, you can see them in our house.
	So the event comes alive.
	And this to me is the essence of good filmmaking.
	In my earlier 2000 Meals, I wanted to show the 2020 election fraud by putting you on the scene.
	You're standing there, here's a mail in Dropbox, here's a guy pulling up in a car in the middle of the night, he like looks left and right to make sure no one sees him, he's got a big backpack of ballots.
	You can see it.
	I don't know if it's tell you about it.
	And the same here.
	I want people to like at least to a limited degree experience October 7.
	And that's why that's why we've got like we have a little bit of a graphic warning, and and it is a little arresting, but it's not, it's something we need to watch.
	Uh it's essential for a right understanding of what's going on.
	Well, it's a snuff film.
	And uh, you know, when Israel wanted to enter it into uh Canadian Film Festival, they wouldn't allow them to because they said they didn't get this for satanic.
	They that it was Hamas owns the footage.
	Oh, wow.
	And they denied the guys got permission from Hamas to use this footage?
	Really?
	And so Israel said, no, we don't have permission from Hamas.
	Well, then we'll have to expel you from the film festival because the footage belongs to Hamas.
	It's their intellectual property.
	So that's like putting if if Ted Bundy had filmed all of his murders and uh, you know, dismemberments of these women, that's like they would put that film out and uh people would watch it and identify with Ted Bundy.
	If that isn't some satanic mind control, I don't know what is.
	It's to get people to identify with the aggressor and the murderer.
	I mean, uh I'm not saying that I'm just saying, and that's what happened, because people saw the girl's body.
	They saw the girl's bloody pants, they saw her broken in half, and the and the uh day after worldwide it popped up with tents with the same signs on October 8th, worldwide.
	Like, does a grassroots movement uh pop up overnight worldwide uh with the same signs, the same tents, uh everything.
	Does that happen, or was that planned for a really long time?
	And it was, and they're cheering for murder and rape, and Israel becomes the only uh the raped Israelis become the only women on earth who are denied the ability to name their rapists under international law.
	I mean, if this isn't satanic, I don't know what is.
	Well, I think it also helps to italicize the true test uh of anti-Semitism.
	I say this because, as you know, a lot of young people have become a little like uh resistant, like, because they think that if you say anti-Semite, you're trying to shut them up, prevent them from asking questions.
	Hey, I refuse to be silenced, blah, blah, blah.
	I can, and I'm allowed to criticize the uh Israeli government by saying women these the Israeli women deserve to be raped and they're demonic.
	Well, I'm sorry, but that isn't criticizing the Israeli government.
	Right.
	That's something way different.
	So the standard, I I think this is uh it ties right into what you were saying is look, if you are applying a different standard to the Jews and to Israel than you apply to anyone else, then boom, your motives are suspect right there.
	So let's let's take an example.
	Uh nobody denies that when the Japanese came and pulverized Pearl Harbor, the United States was A, correct to be outraged, B, correct to declare war on Japan.
	You can debate whether the atomic bomb should have been dropped, but even the people who say the atomic bombs should not have been dropped agree that a US land invasion of Japan, which was the alternative, should would have been legitimate.
	So no one said things like, well, let's count the number of civilians who were killed at Pearl Harbor, and then let's limit US retaliation to exactly that number.
	And if the US goes above that number, it is uh this is uh a moral horror.
	And the United States now becomes the villain and Japan becomes the victim.
	No one takes this position, but they take the position on October 7th.
	So that tells me something's up.
	Because suddenly the stand or or even apply the same logic individually, right?
	If if if if I'm in my house with my family, we're all eating dinner and some home invaders come breaking in.
	They like start firing shots, they kill my wife, they they they rape my daughter, they do this and that, then they run away, and then I I grab my gun, I chase after them.
	They go into a car or van, they come out, they've got their own kids, and they grab their own kids and stick them in front of them, and they go, You can't shoot because you're not allowed to shoot civilians.
	I got some civilians right here.
	Most people would say they are the ones putting their own kids in danger.
	You have every right to retaliate.
	It's not your job to watch out for their kids, it's their job to put their kids to the side and and and face you straight out.
	Yeah.
	So this is such a miniature replication of what's going on with Hamas, and the idea that you could blame the victim of the home invasion, in this case Israel, inversion.
	Is just morally preposterous.
	Uh and yes.
	Satanic.
	It's satanic.
	It is satanic.
	It is an inversion.
	And uh also what other army do they go?
	Did you feed the people that are holding your hostages and keeping the war going?
	Are you are you giving them enough food every day?
	Let me give let me, I was watching, Debbie and I watched this about a year ago.
	Netflix had a very interesting um documentary in World War II, new footage of a lot of those bombing raids.
	And and I will never forget this conversation with one of the bombing commanders.
	He said he was dispatched on a bombing raid and he looks at his orders and he's asked to hit a target.
	I think this was either Dresden or Hamburg.
	And he goes, What's the target?
	And they go, There are 20,000 women and children sheltering in this building.
	And he goes, I'm not gonna bomb a building with 20,000 women and children.
	They don't have anything to do with this.
	They're not combatants in this war.
	And his general goes, it's an order.
	And so the guy goes, so I did it, because he goes, I didn't have a choice.
	But he goes, I haven't been able to live with it to this day.
	Now, my point is the in the logic of World War II, and let's remember Churchill and FDR were very concerned that the German public supported Hitler and they were hanging with Hitler to the end, and that the German refusal to surrender was coming in part from the fact that the German public was saying no.
	We think we can turn it around.
	And so the, and here we're not even talking about Israel doesn't even do this.
	We're talking about a direct targeted attack on civilians to break the will of the German people.
	I think probably, I mean, it's it's a horrific thing.
	There's no question about it.
	Uh Churchill thought there was no alternative to doing to doing it.
	Uh, and this is part of the dirtiness of war.
	But again, Israel goes out of its way.
	Uh, we were talking to guys who go, you know, you can't imagine how many boat soldiers and Israeli dogs have been killed because they plant all these devices.
	You So it's much easier to carpet bomb Gaza.
	But they don't do it.
	They're doing it almost with moral scruples all the way, and they're getting blamed for it.
	Right.
	Yeah, so that's why everybody's mad over in Israel at Bibi, because why didn't they like, why didn't you just go all out and start dragging it out all this time?
	Because obviously they never release the hostages.
	So that means they didn't want the war to end.
	Because who steals hostages and then refuses to release them, even though they're losing?
	Who keeps the war going?
	I mean, the guilty.
	Certainly not victims of genocide.
	Certainly not people who say they're the victims who hold the keys to the end of the war in their hands and their tunnels.
	And then people are still like the poor, those poor perpetrators, those poor murderous rapists, and baby killers, those poor, poor people.
	They could end the war in a second.
	There's it's Satanism.
	I think it's satanic, and they all are brainwashed, and they won't survive the farther they go down that road, young people.
	The farther you go down that road, the worse it's gonna get for you.
	And you know, I want to wake them up.
	I really, really do, because I like children.
	I hate to see them used to uh destroy themselves in some lemming programming.
	American boys that listen to Nick Fuentes and all those people, they gotta get some balls.
	He's just taking their balls away because he's obviously gay as hell.
	Everybody knows it.
	All these guys are uh I won't even go into that.
	But you know, they gotta stand up and get some balls for their country because they they don't want to uh lose their rights.
	They don't want to lose America, they don't want it to become a caliphate for God's sake, just because they have secret fantasies of wearing pink panties and skirts.
	They better turn man, they better man up.
	I'm telling you, get off those games and man up.
	Yeah, I mean, the pastors need to speak up more.
	They they have themselves or step aside.
	I mean, they it if if you're on the devil's side, may God remove you.
	Uh, I don't mean from the earth, but from power in any kind of position, and just may you be replaced by a patriot who really knows what America's about.
	That's my prayer for it.
	Yeah, a lot of these guys are just, you know, they they they this is a controversial topic.
	You know, I don't want people to be leaving my congregation over this.
	Pink panties.
	We're in pink panties, I tell you.
	It's the no, it's I mean, put it this way like what is your business?
	I mean, you're in the business of morality.
	That's your commodity.
	That's one of the things supposed to be lifting morals and souls, not denigrating them.
	Yeah.
	Not really right.
	Not rubbing men's face in the dirt and saying, you know, you've got to help people who want to kill you.
	Now I gotta I gotta tell, I gotta have you explain.
	Jake, you sent me a beautiful note after you and your mom saw this film.
	I gotta say, it was one of the most moving things I've seen.
	I write it to Debbie.
	Use Chat GPT to write that.
	Uh that's right.
	It wasn't even me.
	Bro, we're out batting.
	No, we write something moving from the Nash.
	We're gonna keep him happy.
	We just watch this film.
	No, we were talking about it.
	I wanted uh the thank you for setting me up.
	I was just gonna do this.
	We gotta talk about the film before he leaves because we actually have been.
	You know, I know all the the meat and material uh, but I mean specifically this stream.
	We loved it.
	Uh mind-blown.
	And I I just gotta tell you that the message I sent you from us was of course real, it wasn't Chat GPT.
	But we were truly touched because you know, as you can see, we're very passionate about this.
	We talk about this every week.
	We've been seeing this uh since the beginning, and we don't feel like there's other people that validate our opinions.
	We feel alone a lot of the times, and then we'll go out and we'll talk to people like you're just you know, like even Tucker, you're not even the Jews of the Bible, or whatever that these people are saying were just terrifying shit.
	So to see an actual movie that touches on the Bible.
	Uh you you touch on archaeology, all the stuff we talk, but it validates what we've been saying.
	Really did touch us because we didn't feel alone after.
	We felt like okay.
	There are good people out there that see it too.
	And I can't tell you how good that feels.
	I mean, I'm getting emotional.
	Like it's it's uh it's a scary time.
	It's a very scary time.
	I have young children.
	And I needed that so deeply.
	So thank you so much.
	Because I'm like, is this the time for Jews to leave America?
	I mean, maybe.
	I don't know.
	I'm not gonna leave.
	We have guns now.
	I'm not scared this time.
	Um we have guns, but I I it is terrifying that it's the right wing.
	That's the one thing the right and left agree on is the hatred of Jews.
	They they disagree on everything.
	They hate each other, they're they're mortal enemies.
	And even after Charlie Kirk's shooting, I said this on the podcast last week.
	We've been waiting for this moment as Republicans for so long.
	We finally have it now, the moral authority to say the left is the violent ones.
	The violence is coming from you.
	Totally.
	We have we can win the next 10 elections.
	We've fought so hard.
	And as soon as it happened, Candace, Tucker, Nick Wentz, they turn their cameras on and they go, It was the Jews.
	And they blew it.
	They blew MAGA.
	And right, and then this is a point that a lot of these young these young MAGA people don't get.
	Okay, so let's look at the Charlie Kirk assassination.
	You've got this twisted kid who is so called dating a trans, whatever that even means.
	Um, our theory, Debbie's in mind, is that some of this trans stuff is these are basically people who are gay, but they're raised in a conservative household.
	That's right.
	So they think they have to go trans.
	Right.
	So they basically go, well, you know, I'm think of this kid.
	He was raised in a in a in a law enforcement household.
	I'm sure his parents were like, what?
	You're gay.
	So he's like, no, I'm not gay.
	I'm actually dating a woman.
	Yeah, true.
	It's you know, I forget the guy's name, but you know, it's a man becoming a woman, but you know, but we're in our own way mirroring the heterosexual lifestyle.
	Anyway, and then you have all these uh reports which remain to be investigated, that there were these trans chat groups that knew about it beforehand.
	They're like something big is gonna happen tomorrow.
	This is like on the record.
	100% right and they had a a book on uh Amazon two days before.
	Yeah, that is true too.
	Oh, and then leave aside, basically carving your motives on the bullets, you know.
	Uh this is something I've never even heard of, which is like, catch this fascist.
	And so we got him.
	Uh and and it's like dead to rights.
	And and then just when you're like, okay, you know what?
	This is the time to crack down on Antifa.
	Some of these trans groups have this military training, they train for violence.
	Okay, we need to stop this stuff.
	And then right at that moment, from the right, unexpectedly, like your right window gets blown out, and you've got these people whom some of whom you I mean, in our case, we know.
	Yeah, we don't know Nick Fuentes, but we we know Candace, we know Tucker, and suddenly you're getting a no, it's not the trans, it's not the trans leftist.
	It's Netanyahu, it's Mossad.
	And it's not organic.
	It's you can feel it's not organic.
	It it comes from a very weird place.
	And even Ian Carolie had on the show.
	I I tell people all this time, we we had met him outside.
	We had him on the show, everyone was mad at us.
	But outside, I'm like, what is going on?
	And he's like I wanted to debate him.
	Yeah, no, and he was respectful to his credit.
	But I got him.
	We did, but uh, but the point was he had said it's he said to me, and I tell this all the time, even he knew it's not organic.
	He said the Fuente stuff, this movement that he's a part of.
	I can tell you it's not organic.
	That's what he said to me.
	It's it's it's manufactured.
	So even he knows that.
	I can't get my own.
	Let's talk about the Qatar angle here a little bit.
	Hello, because this is they own all our universities, our State Department, they're heavy and you know, they're Obamites.
	Who's honey?
	Who uh who was I talking to the other day?
	And the guy goes, he goes, she goes, you know, listen, he goes, I can tell you that Israel has a lot of influence because I'm constantly being invited on free trips to Israel, and I've never been invited on a free trip to Qatar.
	And I was like, that's because the Qataris, first of all, they are going after the institutions at the root.
	Yeah, they're not gonna invite you on a free trip.
	That's because they own the political science department at like 12 major universities.
	They endow chairs, they take over these institutions, they put a lot of money into Hollywood.
	So I mean, you're talking about first of all, two billion people in the Muslim world.
	You're talking about massively oil-rich countries.
	Qatar, uh, you know, the Qataris basically joke that they're the chosen people because none of them have to work.
	Right.
	And basically oil comes out of the ground and it's like dollar bills are flying into the air.
	And they're like, obviously, God must have liked what he saw when he saw Med He made us.
	So these people are using their and who was the guy?
	Oh, Mossab.
	Masab told me he goes, it's financial jihad.
	Yep.
	It is financial jihad.
	You figured it out.
	And you know, Charlie Kirk, one of the last things he said, and I I want to say this is he said, Islam is using the left to slit the West's throat.
	And they shot him in the throat.
	Okay, put those two things together.
	I did think that that was so that was, you know, you would expect a shooter to go for the chest.
	It's so symbolic that they went for the throat.
	And um and I mean I I can't say, I mean, uh probably none of us is really over it even now.
	I still wake up, first thing I think.
	I I don't think I think there's a lot more lessons coming.
	And we're gonna find out a lot more, and you know.
	I hope that we are still uh mentally alive enough to be able to accept the truth, and we don't rationalize it away, going, oh no, it was a baby came in there.
	He he flew on in on a private plane there and just or a mutter.
	I hope we don't do that.
	I hope we're strong enough and mentally capable enough to be able to witness the truth and not try to rationalize it away for our superstitions and our hatreds.
	I you know, I don't even really blame the young people so much.
	I think the phrase that was used at Charlie's memorial was the lost generation.
	And it is true that there is a generation of young people, they are the product of the most broken of broken families.
	They don't have the opportunities that their parents did that.
	I think you know, Debbie and I struggled when we're both from other countries, but we could buy a house and we could see the American dream.
	And and I can understand a certain sense of just despondency and even anime that comes out of like I don't see a future.
	Right.
	I get all that.
	And that's why I blame the professors.
	Yeah.
	And I blame the people in authority.
	Yeah.
	And so the, you know, if if we seem to be like focused on even the right wing pundits, it's because when you're leading a lost generation, you have a lot of responsibility not to be the Pied Piper that takes them off the cliff.
	Right.
	And if you are, and you do it knowingly, you're the apostle of Satan.
	That's right.
	I say that.
	Uh you uh and you're doing the very people that you claim to be helping, you're misleading them.
	You're relying, you're using what in rhetoric is called the argumentum ad ignorantium.
	You're the argument that appeals to the ignorance of the audience.
	You presume your audience is really stupid.
	They don't know how stupid they are.
	So you can tell them things and they go, wow.
	Uh that was when I came to television what their attitude there was about working class people and why they hated me so bad because I said, no, I these people are smarter than you.
	I'm not gonna play down to them because they're not ignorant, you are.
	And uh that's why they hated me, because you know, I knew that I was there to uplift, not degrade.
	And uh they're the same people in all in all those positions of that taste maker position, they have that same attitude of just uh uh uh just uh despising their own audience.
	It it's horrible.
	The other thing they're playing on, and this is the other feature of anti-Semitism that we haven't mentioned.
	Um it's raised briefly in the film that that racism is different than anti-Semitism.
	People think of the two as the same, but but racism is essentially I'm up here, I'm looking down at you, and I'm like, you're inferior.
	Uh and so racism in that sense always has this downward trajectory.
	Antisemitism is not like that because Jews are one of the most successful tribes in world history.
	So, you know, as as Netanyahu says to me in the film, he goes, We found this land, it was mostly barren.
	Uh and he goes, and look what we did with it.
	And he goes, and so we're gonna keep it because we essentially built it.
	It's kind of like saying we bought Manhattan From the Indians for 50 cents, but it was worth 50 cents.
	There was nothing there.
	We built it.
	We created Manhattan.
	And so the value is not in the original.
	The pilgrims built America.
	The pilgrims built America.
	And I even have gotten into fights about your immigrant.
	And I go, yeah, but immigrants didn't build America.
	Yeah.
	The settlers built America.
	Immigrants immigrated to a good society that was better than their own, but that society already existed.
	So we've contributed as immigrants to this society, but we are not its original builders.
	The settlers built it.
	It is about building, isn't it?
	Rather than just uh destroying.
	It's about whether you're going to create or destroy.
	That's good and evil too.
	It's the same thing, same route.
	It is, and I think also, and Khan talks about this, he goes, one of the signs of the last age is there will be not just an attack on God.
	That's sort of a little more to be expected.
	Not just an attack on the Jews and the Christians, but like an attack on productivity, on family, on community, on God's creation, on the distinction between men and women, all the fundamental human and rational and even natural categories and affections, all of it will come under attack.
	Yeah, like building community wealth is a bad thing now.
	Right.
	Every group, every tribe has built by helping its own.
	You know, the Mormons did it, the Hindus do it, the overseas Chinese did it in places like Malaysia.
	And so again, why are you singling out the Jews?
	The Jews do it, but I know 10 other people who do it.
	In fact, not only do I know 10 other people who do it, that is in fact the recipe for groups pulling themselves up out of discrimination and out of poverty.
	That is the formula.
	And not only that, but then when you have members of your group that do bad things, it's gonna make your group look bad.
	So that's why, you know, people say, Well, why are you, you know, why are you doing this?
	Why are you making these racial judgments?
	Well, unfortunately, when a lot of bad people are coming from one group, people are going to cast aspersions on the group.
	Even the whole whole DEI phenomenon comes out of that, because you give preferences to a group, and the achievements of everybody in that group, not just the people who got the preference, all of them fall under suspicion.
	Yep.
	Well said.
	Can I ask a quick question?
	Sorry, in the Dragon's Prophecy, because we we had Jonathan Khan on.
	Do you think we're at the end days?
	You specifically.
	Well, it all points to it.
	Well, let me put it this way.
	I want to know what I approach this from a much more kind of sort of secular mindset, I would say, than Khan.
	And the way I look at it, there are people who are very ingenious in being able to read the fine print, so to speak, and even between the lines.
	They'll read the book of Revelation and they will give you a rather blow-by-blow chronology of the last days.
	My view is that the book of Revelation is deliberately more veiled.
	It's deliberately more obscure.
	There's a lot of imagery and metaphor in it.
	Now, Khan exploits this beautifully, right?
	He talks about the colors of the apocalypse.
	And I think in a beautiful transition, he goes, you know, he goes, the green for the green horse, the red for the red horse, the black for the black horse, and now let's take a look at the colors, not just of the Palestinian flag, but a lot of the other flags of the nearby Muslim countries, they've got the colors of the apocalypse.
	And that's that's striking and interesting, right?
	But my view is that when you come, it comes to biblical prophecy, let's just focus on the really big stuff.
	So the return of the Jews to their ancestral homeland, the reason I think that's a big one.
	And the reason it's a big one is because prophecy is impressive in direct proportion to its improbability.
	Right?
	If I toss a coin and I say, I'm gonna call three heads in a row, and I get three heads, unlikely, but it could happen.
	On the other hand, if I spin a roulette wheel that has 800 numbers on it, and I tell you, I'm gonna call the number in advance, and then I do it, that's pretty impressive because the chances I could do that.
	So what are the chances?
	If you lived, let's just say in you know, 180 or 500 AD, and someone told you these Jews are all over the world, scattered, yeah, are gonna return, not just gonna return to the return together, they're gonna return to the place that they came from, they're gonna revive the Hebrew language after 2,000 years, they're gonna eat the same food and celebrate the same holidays and worship the same God.
	Most people would think you're nuts.
	In fact, when I came to America, the Shah was in charge in Iran.
	If you were to tell me that there's going to be a jihadi revolution and it's going to be led by the Muslims, and the Bible points to Iran, I would say, well, that's not going to happen because look at the Shah.
	He's pro-Western, he's pro-Israel.
	So it took the Khomeini revolution to move us, where that passage in the Bible becomes more plausible.
	So my view is just this.
	But we can see signs that some of the broad trends described in the Bible are eerily familiar to us.
	So we can't deny we are in that last age.
	How long it's going to last, I think is an open question.
	Well, I would tell everybody go ahead and and uh search the the Star of Jacob and you'll find a lot of stuff that'll blow your mind there.
	Um because it happened.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And it had seven comets with it, and now there's this the Atlas III breaking apart and stuff.
	I mean, I don't know.
	Have you been tracking the LS3?
	Yeah.
	I have not been tracking the Atlas.
	Um, yeah, I want people to search.
	Well, they don't have to search.
	The Dragon's Prophecy Film.com.
	Oh, that's right.
	That's where we're going.
	But it goes along.
	It goes along with all of it.
	It ties it ties into all of it.
	Our conversation is funny because we don't actually have to do, quote, film talk, because this is the material that this film deals with.
	And what I love about it is that it engages the political head on.
	I mean, Tucker is in the film, and uh and the left is in the film, and we deal with everything we've talked about today is in the film.
	Colonization.
	I mean, think of the think of the strange phenomenon that the Jews alone are accused of colonizing their own land.
	Right.
	We talk about it.
	Right.
	This is like the Indians are colonizing India.
	Really?
	Um and I made the point.
	I was on with Matt Gates, and Matt Gates was.
	He's another one.
	Yeah, he's got a big one.
	Well, he's like Dinesh, he's like, listen, so what are the Jews with there first?
	He goes, listen, he goes, uh, the Native Americans were first in America, so does that mean they get to keep the whole country?
	And I go, well, I said, look, there are only three ways to get a country.
	One, original inhabitants.
	That is one way to get a title.
	Two, negotiation.
	Somebody gave it to you in a treaty.
	Three, conquest.
	If you look at the whole world and the borders of the world, they were settled in one of these ways.
	I said, now when you look at America, I basically see that the American Indians get one check mark.
	They were there first.
	But they were also raiding and conquering each other, and then comes the white man that conquers them.
	So the conquest check goes to the white man.
	So it's a it's a dispute.
	I said, but now let's apply it to Israel.
	The Jews were there first.
	Check.
	They got the land assigned to them by the UN after World War II.
	Check.
	They fought at least three wars, 48, 67, 73.
	They've held the land by conquest.
	Check.
	No other country can as clear has as clear a title because it checks all three boxes.
	But here's the big one.
	The Bible is our deed.
	Well I wasn't even me.
	I was giving a you're right.
	I mean, I I was giving a completely secular account.
	Let's add that one.
	Yeah, that's four.
	Let's call that the God checkbox.
	Here's mine.
	My family name is David.
	And I wanted to sue the whole damn international community.
	That's my city, Jerusalem.
	I own it.
	I own Jerusalem.
	My family name is David.
	Kiss my butt.
	Really?
	Love it.
	Really?
	When's this film release and where can people go to see it?
	Yeah, so it's uh it's in theaters just two days.
	So not October 7th, uh uh, October 6th and October 8th.
	So the two days alongside October 7th, it'll be in about 400 theaters.
	And so if you go on the website, uh you just put in your zip code, boom, all the theaters around you will come up.
	Okay.
	So see it in the theater if you can.
	But the very next day, October 9th.
	I want to say it's beautifully shot, and you should see it in the cinema because it is beautiful.
	It's very I make it for the theater.
	I mean, and we also have we I could we could tell you, and it'll bring us your tears about the the guy who did our music for this film uh because um we we hire this guy Richard Friedman, he's uh he's actually a very good friend of Dennis Prager, his wife works for Dennis Prager, he's a brilliant composer.
	We hire him, and seven days later he has a heart attack, and he's in the hospital.
	So he but he has a sound guy who's an Academy Award-winning guy.
	So the two of them are putting music into our film from the hospital room, right?
	And he completes the job, and then what is it?
	Three days after he finishes it, he dies.
	So talk about the fact that that there's a kind of a spiritual element, even in the composition of it.
	But anyway, streaming on October 9th and DVDs.
	Uh, it's gonna be on Salem now, which is the Salem platform, it'll be on Rumble.
	So on Rumble, you can just basically uh click and and and buy it.
	And we're exploring a bunch of other platforms as well.
	We're gonna make it really easy for people to see it.
	Uh, see it in the theater if you can, but these days a lot of people like to watch at home, and that's fine too.
	I say two things.
	One, I believe, and and I Debbie said it outside, but I just wanted to say this because I didn't get to say in the episode.
	This film really feels, and I believe in my heart of hearts that it's it's God-led.
	It's not a typical film.
	There's an energy behind it, and you just have to see it to understand what I'm saying.
	Once you see it, you'll understand what I'm saying.
	This this movie, and and I don't you agree, right?
	Debbie, I mean, this is my co-sign.
	Yeah, it's it's a film that God produced this film.
	I'm talking about it all the time.
	And I sometimes have like a little difficulty, which is true of I think really good films, right?
	If you were to someone were to ask you, like, what's the Sha Shank redemption about, right?
	You're gonna say, Well, it's about friendship, well, it's about prisons, but you're not even beginning to do justice to it.
	That's the way it's because you're talking about the film, you're not actually talking about the experience of the film itself.
	Right, right.
	And you and ultimately you want in a film it to take on that life of its own, uh, where this it there's that added X factor.
	Uh and I think this film does have it, and we feel it.
	I think it does too.
	And both movies are uh Shaosheng is about hope.
	It's about redemption.
	Uh and um, and and you know, when we made this film, a lot of my films people jokingly say they're horror films because you leave the film and you're a little dazed, you're like, oh my god, the stolen election, will we ever have like another election in this country?
	Are we like done for?
	Uh so that you will have that feeling.
	This film has some of those low points, but it also has high points, which I think is very congruent with where our culture is now.
	People are looking for a way out and a way forward.
	I felt more hopeful after saying it.
	And then the other thing, and then I'll stop talking.
	Um, are you concerned with the because you know you're gonna get backlash for this film because it's pro-Bible, pro-Israel.
	Are you prepared for that?
	Are you worried about it?
	I'm not worried about it.
	Good.
	I'm not worried about it.
	My philosophy is this this is what in re the Reagan years we call supply side economics.
	And what I mean by that is for my books and my films, I come up with an idea.
	I test it to see if it is current with what's going on in the world, because we, you know, frankly, if you in today's culture, you have to surf on the wave, right?
	If someone were to make a great film right now and the film was, let's say, about you know, Afghanistan or about China, it would sink like a stone.
	So I I do subject my work to like, is this relevant to our moment today?
	And then I ask, uh is the central idea of it like interesting to me, not to anyone else, just to me.
	Um, and then if I like that, I'm gonna go for it.
	Uh, and I'm in complete indifference to anything else.
	When I made my first film on Obama, I would go literally to potential you know, funders, investors, and I would say, I'm gonna make a film, they're like, What's the film about?
	I'm like, it's about how how Obama is an anti-colonialist.
	They were like, seriously, you're gonna put a film like this in the theater?
	Nobody even knows what anti-colonialism is, and to the degree that they even know, they think it's a good thing because America used to be a colony of the British.
	So, how are you going to explain this rather arcane third world concept?
	And I'm like, I don't care.
	It's my job to do that, and and if I do it well, I think the film will catch on, and it did catch on and launched my whole documentary film career because it was the second most successful documentary ever made after Fahrenheit 9-11.
	So I wouldn't be in the film business if I didn't hit a home run out the gate.
	Uh, But I but Debbie and I have talked about this, and we do think this is in a sense our most profound film.
	I think it is too.
	It's a very uplifting film for Americans to see.
	To remember who and who we are and why we are that.
	This is it.
	And in a way, it goes even beyond that because we're saying, look, uh, in the big scheme of things, we don't know what's going to happen to America.
	But what we do know is we all have a soul, and the line between good and evil runs through every human heart.
	And it is this moral choice that we all have to make individually.
	Uh and ultimately our, you know, I think we all believe our spiritual judgment is based on that.
	It's not what did your country decide, it's what did you decide?
	Whose side were you on?
	And and this film wants to put that question like front and center.
	So when people go, in fact, yesterday we're talking to somebody who's like, well, Israel is like way over there.
	I'm over here.
	We're like, well, yes, geographically you're right, but the issues and the moral choices that come out of Jerusalem are right in front of you every single day.
	Every day.
	Um, and and without that, by the way, we would, you know, our country is is is built on these two pillars.
	You remove one pillar, Jerusalem.
	There's no Western civilization left.
	No.
	They're they're getting everybody to remove their own source of life.
	Uh but anyway, well, I think we're gonna cap it.
	Uh that was amazing.
	And I like that we cap it on that.
	Everybody's being trained to kill off their own source.
	And to think, and we have to fight that.
	We have to fight that because without our source, we won't stand.
	Yeah, and if you, you know, if you're interested in the stuff we've been talking about, you're gonna find this film mesmerizing.
	It's gonna be so it's the dragon's hope.
	It's going to uplift you, and it is beautiful.
	It's just beautiful.
	Thank you.
	The dragon's prophecy.
	Yes, the dragons prophecy film.com.
	That's it.
	Um, and uh, and by the way, movie tickets, buy them on the website.
	You can't go to the theater and buy it right there.
	Uh you have to buy them off the website.
	We've done these theatrical buyouts, which means we buy every seat.
	Oh, gotcha.
	Uh, and it's worked for us.
	We know how to do it.
	And um it's in it's in select theater.
	So if you can't find it near you, no problem.
	Just sign up for streaming and order your DVDs and you're gonna be fine.
	I'm laughing a little to myself because I talk about this movie gives me hope and proof of God, but it's like the dragon's prophecy and Satan is real and all these really scary terrifying things.
	Well, people want to forget that.
	But you can't you can't forget it.
	You have to face it.
	We are.
	Which way, Western man?
	Huh?
	Which way, Western man?
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	So you see, my patience is running thin.
	That's our end song.
	Synthetic boy, we're living in.
	Dinesh, thank you very much.
	Love you all.
	Thank you, Dinesh.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.

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