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March 21, 2025 - The Roseanne Barr Podcast

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Cancelled and Uncaged with Ariel Pink | The Roseanne Barr Podcast #91

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	Greetings, earthlings, and humans, Nephilim, Anunnaki, what have you, royals, what have you, aliens, and especially animals who are smarter than all of the above,
	I think, because animals don't have to bullshit themselves or go off far from home to be happy.
	That's why I like animals.
	Welcome to the Roseanne Barr Podcast.
	Everyone's fucking wrong.
	It's gonna be alright.
	Everyone's fucking wrong.
	Well, here we are at the Roseanne Barr Podcast.
	And, you know, I always like to have great conversations with people who are really, really genius in their creativity.
	So I'm honored to have a guest on today who is like a real bona fide, or how do you say it, bona fide.
	Genius of music, and unfortunately, that cost him his career as, you know, he's a kindred soul.
	Too good for the motherfuckers.
	Ariel Pink, hi.
	Hi. Are you related to the Pink Hot Dog family?
	Off of La Brea?
	No. I hate Pink, actually.
	You hate Pink Hot Dogs?
	I just hate pink, the color pink.
	Oh, you hate the color pink?
	I hate the word, yeah.
	You even hate the word pink?
	Yeah. Why?
	Because I hate the color.
	I just hate the color.
	It's not my favorite color.
	I like blue.
	But pink is what I named myself, and so that is the cross I have to bear.
	Why did you name yourself Pink if you hate pink?
	Because I hate myself.
	Oh, okay.
	Because your real name is what?
	Rosenberg? There you go.
	Now you know why I hate myself.
	Ariel Pink Rosenberg.
	I hope you're not related to this guy my dad hired to go rip shit off the walls in people's house.
	Copper? Huh?
	Copper wire?
	No, curtains.
	Ethel Rosenberg?
	Not Ethel.
	If they didn't pay their money at the first of the month, then Jack Rosenberg would go rip the curtains down out of their house.
	My dad...
	Said we're going to have him over for dinner and he came over and he chewed up the corn and spat it out on the plate.
	And I was appalled.
	I mean, just absolutely appalled.
	I had never seen anything like that in my life.
	And he chewed it up like a hog and then spit it out.
	So anytime I hear the name or the word Rosenberg...
	I'm like, I flashback to Jack Rosenberg.
	That's my grandpa.
	I hope you're not related.
	He was creepy.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	My family is Rosenberg's by way of Mexico.
	And then they went to LA?
	No, my dad is the only one that left Mexico.
	He's the only one.
	I mean, they're still in Mexico.
	Oh, I see.
	And they're actually like the mafia there in Mexico.
	Oh, cool.
	Wow, that's cool.
	Great uncle.
	His name is Jacobo.
	Jacobo Zabludowsky.
	Oh, that's their name.
	Zabludowsky, of course.
	I should know their last name.
	Jacobo Zabludowsky was the Larry King of Mexico for the past 40 years.
	Wow. No, no, no.
	I'd say even before that.
	He died about 15 years ago or 20 years ago.
	And before that, he was like the only news anchorman in Mexico.
	They even had songs written about him by newer bands like Molotov that were just like...
	Oh, man.
	But yeah, so he was seen as part of the propaganda arm of the old regime.
	So that's my great-uncle.
	And his brother was an architect in Mexico as well and did very well for himself.
	Their kids are ambassadors now.
	They're seriously ambassadors around the world.
	They have a lot of power.
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	My grandmother was the oldest of three siblings.
	She wasn't very beautiful.
	She was basically homely, but she basically felt like she needed to marry eventually.
	So she married late.
	She married a Jewish guy that was an entrepreneur, a guy named Manuel Rosenberg.
	And he was the first guy to bring TV sets to Mexico.
	Wow. I didn't know he just ran the Mexican media, too.
	Dude, we run it everywhere.
	I know.
	I had no idea.
	Come on.
	We're going to speak frankly here.
	Come on.
	They're still in charge.
	Everywhere. I think wherever there's TV sets...
	I think so, too.
	I think so, too.
	Wherever there's TV sets, wherever there's lawyers, wherever there's...
	Come on.
	Come on.
	Wherever there's education, everybody, take off your glasses.
	We're stomping on them.
	It's year zero now.
	Right? Yeah, that's what it feels like.
	Doesn't it?
	It feels like...
	God, it's so repressive.
	It's so incredibly repressive, but yet they call themselves progressives.
	It's just frightening.
	It's all throwback to the Khmer Rouge.
	It is, absolutely.
	They were just trailblazers.
	They don't even have an original thought in their mind.
	They're like, these guys did it right the entire time.
	Now we just have to follow through with it.
	What's the Khmer Rouge?
	I'm sorry.
	The Khmer Rouge is the most Kami Kami of ever.
	But they kind of got it wrong, or I guess they just didn't have the power to follow through with their vision.
	But they had the idea of year zero, which is the most...
	That's kind of what I think is going to be like the sort of like...
	That's what I'm waiting for as being the sort of like the yard, the line in the sand, like before the Antichrist, before the prophecy comes to play.
	Because I do believe in it.
	I do feel Christian, by the way.
	I feel, you know, I feel that Jew really had something.
	Yeah. So, but like, because I think it's easy to see into the future if you just like think for two seconds.
	I do too.
	I think you can see what's coming and you can basically just call it out.
	I think that's what John was doing.
	He was just spelling it out.
	And now it's like, yeah, we have to basically avoid having that fate.
	But the reality is that it's going there and he's right.
	And so it's like, okay, you know.
	If you were to, like, if you wanted to avoid the apocalypse or, like, the rapture or whatever, like, you know, the seven signs of the Antichrist and the apocalypse, if you don't want the Bible to be right, if you don't believe in it, you should believe in it just to make sure that doesn't happen.
	Instead, you have everybody basically, like, disavowing God just like they fucking...
	Spelled out in the fucking Bible.
	You guys are not Christians, but you're totally making it come to pass.
	When I meet atheists, I just think that these are Christians that lost their faith.
	That's all.
	Just pretend that you're Christian, and maybe it won't happen.
	You know, it's like we're trying to keep the apocalypse at bay, you fucking assholes.
	I know exactly what you mean.
	You know, but anyway.
	Because that's all like deep Judaism about unified mind.
	And, you know, the last thing they're going to let us do is unify anybody.
	I don't think unifying is the goal at all.
	We're already united.
	We already had like anything that's like trying to like put stuff the genie back in the bottle.
	Like, that to me is, like, science and stuff like that.
	Like, we're trying to discover, like, the origins of things.
	It's like, dude, before the science even got there, dude, we were plenty, we had it figured out.
	Yeah. We didn't even need the science.
	The science just started to, like, screw things up a little bit, and then you have to keep on making new exceptions.
	It's like, the scientific method, it's just going to, like, it's not going to bring us to the unified field theory.
	It's going to take us into, like...
	Just multitudes.
	It's just going to be like too many exceptions to the rules.
	It's like that's the one thing that keeps on happening.
	We can't get to any kind of fundamental truth.
	I think the science thing, we milked it for a long time, but now we know it's just a fucking complete garbage.
	I agree.
	Nobody can fucking trust the science anymore.
	If you trust the science, you're a fucking idiot.
	So science has been proven to be the most feeble, Unstrong thing.
	Faith got promoted a few notches because of the whole COVID fucking shit.
	You know what I'm saying?
	It's such a disaster.
	Such a disaster how that could happen.
	I will never trust...
	I was pro-vaccination.
	I had friends that basically were like, we're not vaccinating our kids growing up.
	And I was just like, wow, you guys are fucking out there, dude.
	You guys are fucking crazy.
	I mean, I got vaccinated.
	I don't have any problems.
	Why don't you guys just...
	Oh, Jenny McCarthy.
	Okay, I got it.
	It doesn't matter.
	But now, I just feel like I'm lucky that nothing happened to me.
	The reality is that you can't trust anything a doctor says.
	You can't trust anything that comes out of the mouth of an expert.
	Especially an expert.
	Well, they're all bought and paid for.
	They're the people you don't trust.
	I trust a truck driver from fucking Wisconsin any day of the week.
	I do too.
	Any day of the week, I would trust a 13-year-old in Gaza over these fucking guys, dude.
	They're the worst people that ever existed.
	The experts have lost their expertise to me.
	No, they just showed who they are, which is mass murderers and serial killers.
	But they don't even know that they are.
	I really think that they're that stupid.
	I really do.
	They haven't been reminded of that.
	You think they don't know that they're mass murderers and serial killers?
	Maybe in the dark recesses of their mind, but they have so much cognitive dissonance that they just never get there.
	I mean, they have like...
	It's basically...
	I don't think that people know how evil they are.
	I think that people don't understand how evil works, and they think that it has to be some sort of...
	I think...
	Devin and I were talking about this.
	There is something that every person goes through, I think, at a certain point in their life.
	It could be something completely innocent and innocuous, but there's a point where they have to make a choice about something totally irrelevant and small, but they end up choosing one over the other, and it ends up basically being a deal with the devil.
	That's right.
	They don't realize.
	From then on, they're in darkness.
	If they knew that they had to make a choice, they're basically in their blind spot forever because they made that choice.
	Otherwise, they are aware and conscious and they basically keep it in mind and know that there are choices that you have to make all the time that are basically always testing you like that.
	And I'm not saying that I'm perfect.
	I'm not an angel.
	I mean, I'm fucking from LA, dude.
	I'm a fucking liberal.
	I mean, I'm as liberal as I become a rock star.
	But when I'm fucking, like, when I'm sane, you have to worry about it.
	I've got so many excuses for why I'm fucked up, you know?
	Like, what excuse do you fucking pieces of shit have?
	What does the whole sober living world with no herpes have to fucking say about Anything.
	That's what I'm saying.
	You guys have lost the plot.
	There's nothing good about you guys.
	You guys are unholy and unclean, as far as I'm concerned.
	So you went...
	This is why I got cancelled, by the way.
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	Well, here's why you got cancelled.
	One, this is my opinion after living through it myself.
	Can I tell the truth?
	It's as simple as that.
	Even if it's bullshit.
	It's because you have vision, uniqueness, and talent.
	Those are three things they can't stand.
	And you also have integrity, four things they can't stand.
	I was very much into having integrity.
	I'm just doing what I was taught.
	I mean, weren't we just taught these things?
	Weren't we taught about the golden rule and stuff like that?
	Wasn't that important?
	Wasn't that a part of school and stuff like that?
	That's what I always thought when I was a kid.
	Because, I mean, I believed all the stuff I heard from them saying in synagogue and stuff.
	I thought it was...
	I accepted it for being real, you know?
	My interpretation of my Hebrew school...
	Okay, Jews, in a nutshell, just think that they're special.
	And they champion that aspect of themselves.
	And so that's why they sort of encourage you to be special.
	Because specialness is actually something that gets rewarded somehow in the world.
	And maybe that's where they're evil as fuck.
	Maybe that's the whole fucking thing.
	Don't be special, guys.
	That's Jewish.
	That's essentially what...
	How far back are we going to go here?
	But there is a point to it.
	I felt like the United States was one of these places where if you stick out, even if it's...
	If you're abnormal in any way, if you're exceptional in any way, that could be exceptionally bad.
	If I'm an exceptionally bad musician, I might even be able to have an audience for myself if I'm bad enough.
	Yeah, like Tiny Tim.
	He's great!
	Come on, come on, come on.
	He's actually a real talent.
	Madonna, you're thinking of.
	Yes, even Madonna.
	What I'm saying is like, I mean, like anybody's got, it's like anybody could do it.
	Well, my worst, Selena Gomez.
	I'm saying, I'm saying, Give somebody enough time, it's like the 10,000 hour rule, right?
	You do something for long enough and you basically will be...
	Nobody else will be able to do it.
	You'll be the only person on the planet that can do that.
	And so if you spend four years, even just four years, carving out a little...
	Just learning how to play bass guitar, learning how to record, even if you don't know those things, if you do it...
	For eight years, without a record deal, you're just going to have some weird...
	You're going to be an expert at whatever it is that you're doing.
	Yeah, people don't get that you have to work at something for a long period of time.
	You have to master something, man.
	You have to master something.
	The 10,000 hour rule, I think, really is really good because what it equals out to is...
	I did the math.
	Ten years, isn't it?
	No, it's four years.
	Wow. Without sleep?
	From nine to five.
	Okay. Five days a week.
	Oh, I thought it was longer.
	Which makes sense because...
	I can do that.
	Yeah, it's not that much.
	It's not that much.
	That's why you get like...
	Well, it's a full-time job though.
	But stay at Starbucks for four years and you will be the absolute...
	You can consider yourself an expert at how Starbucks works.
	A barista.
	And you could probably even start to get retirement and benefits after that.
	So... I think that people have such a short-term view of things.
	Well, they want instant gratification.
	And I have been an expert at what I'm doing since I was 10 years old.
	So I'm well past...
	So you wrote your first song when you were 10?
	Yes. Yes, that I can remember.
	But before that, you must have really been coming up with some melodies.
	It was just primordial stew.
	It was just parts and stuff swimming in my head and songs that I've heard.
	Did you just find yourself waking up and going...
	No, it was more like I was walking in a circle singing the theme to Battlestar Galactica and E.T. and stuff like that and talking to myself and then my parents were like, oh, look at him.
	But I didn't get any acknowledgement for being a musical mind until I was an adult, until well after.
	I was good at rendering when I was younger, so I did feel special in that sense.
	So I was always encouraged to...
	To draw.
	So that's what I was...
	My parents saw that.
	Well, when you first wrote this song when you were 10...
	What? That's a gesture if he wants to smoke.
	I don't know if he knew that.
	Okay, so you first wrote this...
	You wrote your first song when you were 10. Yes.
	And did you play the instruments in it or just write the lyrics?
	No, I didn't know any instruments.
	But it was just in your head?
	Yeah, it was like in the mold of what I was hearing on the radio.
	So it was current with that time period.
	So do you think that it was like, because I think this about my joke sometimes, that I just take in a lot of information and then it sifts down and I craft it so that it's mine.
	I never knew you had jokes.
	I thought you were just like...
	Fully just off the cuff.
	I thought that you were just being yourself.
	I never thought that there was any kind of craft to it.
	But I know what you're saying is true, obviously.
	Stand-up routine, of course you have to have jokes.
	I'm just saying, you've always...
	But it's like this big funnel and then it goes through this process in my mind and it comes out like I crunched it all up and it comes out.
	All that information comes into a one-liner.
	I see it as being a vessel.
	Yeah, I do too.
	Being a channel for basically for whatever it is that's creative.
	And I think that that's what it is.
	And I hate to use the word artist because I hate anybody that thinks of themselves as an artist.
	Me too.
	But I think that artists are vulnerable because of that.
	They are channels and they're like a light and everybody is attracted to them.
	And so when they basically shine and they do something that illuminates and they do their thing, it makes them extremely vulnerable to other spirits.
	Other spirits come in with their intentions and they swoop in and they want to merge and meddle with the light.
	Yeah, they want to master that.
	They want to actually intervene and they want to cop a feel of it.
	But they also want to...
	Assuage their ego and that kind of stuff.
	They want to basically make themselves a part of it, even though they have no business even meddling with it.
	Right. So artists who basically depend on encouragement, especially early on, to get them from A to B. To even get them to continue to do it.
	I mean, my parents told me I was an artist at three years old and I believed them.
	And then I just kept on doing it.
	It was the first thing my parents ever fucking said to me.
	Oh my god, he's a Picasso!
	And I was just like...
	And I got better.
	I actually got really good.
	Because I believed it.
	But if I hadn't believed it, the bullshit of me being Picasso, I probably wouldn't.
	They would have been like, don't...
	Quit your day job, Ariel.
	Just be a three-year-old.
	Ignored it.
	I probably wouldn't be an artist today.
	But I was raised to think that.
	I believe the first compliment they ever gave me, and that's where I stayed.
	Because everybody can be an artist by three years old.
	And everybody is an artist at three years old.
	Yeah, they are.
	Everybody's a genius at five years old.
	And then the rest of their life, they just basically lose that creativity.
	That's true.
	They try to call themselves artists because they can never really...
	They feel like they don't have that creativity.
	They have to have the title of artist.
	And I just think that artists are vulnerable because they spend their whole life being accepted or encouraged by others.
	Other people's opinions about what they do sort of informs their life path.
	Yeah, it does.
	And if they're not productive...
	Then they feel like they are not an artist and then they commit suicide.
	So they will commit they will so it's not even like therapy for them either.
	Like it's like like like art should be therapy right in some sort of like But if something's therapy, it should be purged and you don't have to do it anymore So it's not therapy.
	It's just it's like a Twitter addiction.
	It's basically You're just feeding of yes, and so so so when people call themselves artists and they fucking they they they
	They praise that.
	They're going down a slippery slope, I think, too.
	My job as an artist when I was younger, it was to, like, any compliments I got...
	Can't listen to those.
	Can't listen to anybody.
	You can't listen to anybody that likes your shit.
	Those people are going to ruin you.
	They have nothing to do with it.
	They're just going to inflate the wrong part of you.
	You're just going to get the wrong idea.
	And then the haters, you can't listen to them either because obviously they're haters.
	I don't want to listen to anybody that's criticized.
	I hate criticism.
	I do too.
	So my job as an artist was to block everybody out.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Because I do feel like I have something.
	It's just my intuition and my sense of something.
	And I've had that for a long time.
	Well, you just want to be true to it.
	Yeah, I'm trying to keep my five-year-old alive.
	It should be put to bed, but I refuse.
	It's part of me that's always been there.
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	Yeah, you should not put that to bed.
	Well, I mean, kind of.
	I should a little bit.
	Well, you mean because you keep getting in trouble?
	Because it's precious.
	It's too precious.
	It's something that most people get over.
	And they can move on.
	I remain.
	That's how I see it.
	I'm one of those...
	People are like, Ariel, you can always reinvent yourself.
	You've got that leverage.
	You can always do that.
	I'm like, dude, no, man.
	I will remain.
	I will withstand the sands of time that are whipping through me and nature is dissolving me every second and turning me into dust.
	But I will stand firm because I have spirit and all this kind of stuff.
	That's what I think is what makes me human.
	That's what I worship.
	I don't worship nature.
	Yeah, change is inevitable.
	That's not why you worship it.
	You don't worship nature.
	That's just fucking...
	Don't worship fucking the beast of the universe.
	That's fucking terrible.
	Humanity is...
	What makes us special is that we can do the impossible things, like stand still and stop time and fucking withstand fucking...
	All the fucking forces that are against us.
	We can dream of the impossible.
	We can stand still and upright.
	That's what I think is what faith is about.
	I feel like we can conquer death if we fucking will it into existence.
	I do too.
	That's what I say.
	When people are on the same track and have unity of mind and purpose, it changes the world.
	We can get rid of anything.
	We can get rid of anything bad.
	That's obviously true because our world is a world of fucking ghosts anyway.
	It's completely not real.
	What do you mean by that?
	We're not scientists and we're not basically practical creatures.
	We're completely full of shit.
	We're inundated with bullshit.
	The words we use are completely...
	I always say we're bullshit addicts.
	Yeah, that's what we are.
	I read this book that said that we're basically like...
	It was called The Conspiracy Against the Human Races by Thomas Legali.
	And he was talking about this one philosopher, this really dark philosopher, a humorously dark philosopher called Peter Wessel Zapf.
	He's like a Norwegian guy.
	And he wrote a paper called The Last Messiah.
	And it was...
	But his...
	He wrote a book called On the Tragic that was basically about...
	How humans, consciousness and reason is this husk that grew its advantage, its evolutionary advantage in us.
	It worked for us briefly in our way in the past because we could use abstract thinking and basically outsmart, get to know the environment, think ahead.
	See food at the end of the footsteps?
	So we basically weren't able to make these leaps of thought and language comes from that and that kind of stuff and that gave us an absurd advantage but it's outstayed its welcome.
	It's kind of like a deer whose antlers have grown too big and is basically pinning it to the ground and it basically now it's inconvenient that We have this thing called the mind, and it's basically just like,
	death is the reality thing that we just can't get over.
	It's like, all that advantage just led us to this point where we all know we're going to die.
	Oh, fuck.
	Okay, so what do we do with the rest of our fucking time here?
	We just distract ourselves?
	Should we not think?
	We're lost.
	We have no way to basically solve this conundrum.
	And it's basically like an inconvenient thing that's imposed on us that we have no way of escaping.
	What? Death?
	Or language.
	We can't go back to not knowing what words mean.
	Remember what that felt like or what we were thinking about at that point?
	Barry Gordy Jr. before words, remember his whole book was about that.
	Yeah, it's like we had emotions.
	I remember some visuals, but I don't remember what...
	Supplanted the idea of war, for instance.
	The word war is a stand-in for this thought, for this spook, right?
	For this idea.
	And all of the words are given to us from the outside.
	We're not born with them.
	They're made by men some time, a long time ago.
	And we're just vessels to keep those words alive.
	There's just like spirit.
	There's like invocations.
	Those are spells that we repeat over and over again.
	We just say the words and the thought forms come up and they're like deities.
	And we're invoking them.
	We're spelling them into fucking existence every time we fucking say them.
	I agree.
	And there's even little angels and demon helpers with the smaller words like and and the.
	They help get all the bigger deities together to create these fucking complex...
	Spells. Spells.
	And so we're like, basically like...
	Words are definitely spells.
	Yes. They're prayers too.
	They're the same thing though, in a sense.
	We say them with intention.
	No, they're not the same thing.
	Well, one of them is...
	We're humble in one, but in another we're...
	One we ask, one we tell.
	Well, we're always invoking.
	And they're deities.
	We say them by their name, right?
	We say the words.
	We just say their name three times in the fucking bathroom or wherever, like in the darkness, and we basically conjure them into existence.
	In our mind.
	No, but in the world, too!
	That's the whole point.
	That's what it does, man.
	That's what's so scary about it.
	I mean, I think that we're cursed.
	We're absolutely cursed.
	That's how I think about it.
	But I think that what's cool about it is that humans are so stupid.
	There's never been a human evil enough or smart enough to end civilization as we know it, to stop it.
	They can kill a bunch of people, but there's never been anybody evil or smart enough, devious enough to figure out how to basically end the whole thing in one fell swoop.
	Why do you think somebody should?
	I'm surprised somebody hasn't is what I'm saying.
	I'm saying like where the intention is, there should be – I'm sure that there's come – there's got to be some megalomaniacs out there that just – if only they had the power at their disposal, they would do it.
	Klaus Schwab.
	Yes, but they still don't have the power.
	They can only do it – they can only get rid of – They're not smart enough.
	And then it comes back in full form.
	Only the good people survive.
	The point is that humanity is blessed because it can't get in its own way.
	The devil is the realm of Earth.
	And humans are terrible.
	But! But!
	We'll never be able to get in God's way and stop the whole thing.
	We start over when we're born.
	It's a new chance every single time you have kids.
	So now they're trying to basically just make us extinct by willful sterilization.
	Have us basically think that it's overpopulated.
	Get in our brains and basically think that life would be better without children.
	Only the bad people will be stopped from having children.
	There's plenty of people that are having children in the East that are poor.
	The more poor you are, the more children you should have.
	It's the opposite.
	Intelligence is not that intelligence.
	It's like short-term.
	It doesn't think beyond this life.
	I would be gay if I was a really smart person.
	Why? Because I would be able to live a happy life in the States.
	Yeah. It would make sense.
	Right now.
	It would make sense.
	I wouldn't have to worry about divorcing.
	Well, if you're gay and married, you would.
	If I'm gay and married, who gets gay and married?
	They do it a lot now.
	A lot of people.
	Well, okay.
	Well, somebody's got money and the other person doesn't.
	Maybe that's...
	The point is that men cannot have kids.
	Okay? Women have kids.
	Men can think that they have kids.
	The closest I'll ever come to having a kid is getting a phone call from somebody telling me that I'm a father.
	And I'll believe them.
	Because I just can't have a kid, personally.
	I like to believe that.
	Well, the only men that are having kids are women pretending to be men.
	Exactly. In other words, in their mind.
	Yeah. Yeah, that's it.
	That's the only kids that are being born out of those people.
	The rest of the world is just having kids.
	Yeah. And thank goodness they are because we don't need any of these other people.
	Well, you know, they are like created.
	You know, I think they're artificial intelligence and created by, you know, our owners, the owners of the world.
	And, you know, they needed to invent some...
	New words for their delusions, which are, you know, satanic and everything.
	So they needed to get some new words in there so that they could, in my opinion, then they could yank the government to get, you know, in the taxpayers.
	They just want money.
	So they're in the taxpayers and they're...
	Passing laws that affect insurance companies and what they'll cover.
	So the doctors are all in on it because, of course, they want to cut off a kid's wiener and tits, you know, certain doctors, because insurance pays for it because of the laws passed by those people who are all lying.
	They must not have a lot of business happening.
	They don't have a lot of business.
	They're all full of bullshit and selling us bullshit, but they affect legislation worldwide, and that allows their cousin, who's a doctor, To bill the government for cutting kids' dicks off, and they probably sell photos of it to porn things.
	Well, they have to keep it going.
	You have to constantly lubricate your meatless dick sheath or whatever they give them now, the vagina thing.
	You have to keep that constantly lubricated, and it's infected.
	I don't know if you know that.
	So a doctor looks at this as like, this isn't a patient from...
	Monday to Tuesday.
	No, this is a lifelong patient that I can exploit from childhood to old age.
	If somebody stops by a clinic and asks, is there a bathroom there?
	They don't live past 40 because of all the drugs we inject and all the things we...
	Medication. It's medication.
	With our Nazi technology, all the experiments we do on captive populations.
	Largely Jewish, by the way.
	And, you know, we just love doing that.
	And then, you know, we get paid for it because we're doctors.
	Experts. Do you think that, like...
	See, I have a sneaky suspicion that, like...
	So high a percentage of trans kids are Jewish.
	Or from a...
	I didn't know that.
	That should fucking, like, that should tell them...
	Or from a fatherless family with an obese...
	Mother, who's an ex-Baptist.
	You don't have to tell me that trans people are Bolsheviks because I already know this.
	No, it's Bolshevism 101.
	It's Marxism 101.
	Who's also Jewish, by the way.
	Of course.
	Well, he said he wasn't.
	Yeah, he said he wasn't, but it's not a choice you make.
	No, but it is a choice.
	I disagree with that.
	Because if you're a Jew, such as myself, a Jewy Jew Jew that everybody's terrified of, Because I actually practiced Judaism, like Jesus did.
	But like, I...
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	I think it's the devil.
	Yeah, I know.
	What I'm saying is there's a lot of...
	But it's not up to Jews to make...
	Okay. Is it just a choice that a Jew has to make to basically not be Jewish?
	It's like this.
	You have this choice.
	You are going to study and live in Torah and that makes you a Jew.
	If you don't do that, you're not a Jew.
	Okay, so there's no racial component to it at all.
	No bloodline.
	In some cases there is because it's also a nation, you know, that was driven from its home by persecution for 2,000, 6,000 years.
	Right, but we have no way of, like, but we say that we're, like, basically like Jews by blood despite the fact that...
	Well, if your mother was a Jew.
	Right, which my mother wasn't, but my last name is Rosenberg, so people are going to think that I'm a Jew regardless.
	The point is that that's not a coincidence either.
	It's kind of like the trance thing all over again.
	It's a conundrum.
	It is a conundrum and a paradox.
	Jews have figured out a way to not be Jewish, because there's been so many incentives for Jews to not want to be Jewish at various points in history, and all a woman would need to do in order to not be Jewish is marry a Johnson, and then she would basically disappear as a Jew.
	Well, that's what my rabbi said.
	He said, you know, all of history and all religions were started by Jewish discontents.
	So then everybody's Jewish then, by blood.
	Kind of, yeah.
	That's what I think.
	That's kind of what I think.
	That's what it is.
	Because Jewish means...
	One of the 12 tribes of Israel.
	And I think that like, I obviously don't think necessarily that everybody's like, you know, like, that Jews have assimilated or been like, you know, like, they've gone everywhere, but they haven't necessarily, not everybody's necessarily Jewish.
	Oh, but we get around.
	The Jewish woman gets around.
	And she marries all kinds of guys and gets half Jewish.
	You know, her kids are Jewish, but they're influenced by their fathers, largely not Jewish, and they take in that culture too.
	But I also think that, like, I kind of feel like what Jews worship is kind of like the history of the Jews more than any god,
	per se.
	No, no, no.
	You think they have a spirituality?
	Of course!
	I think they're beyond spirituality.
	I think that, like, that Jews are beyond...
	I think, like, Jesus is the beginning of spirituality in...
	In Judaism.
	You might be thinking of American Jews, maybe.
	No, he's not the beginning of it.
	He's the continuation of it.
	But I kind of feel like the Jews, the Pharisees, the Babylonians, all that kind of stuff, had already...
	By the time Christ came up, that was already...
	The Jews were already known as...
	The Pharisees, you know, going to like, you know, paying tiths and going to the temple and all, they were already like a sort of like the hierarchy.
	They were like the Gestapo on top of the Jews in general.
	Well, they were the ruling class, the priest class.
	They were the priest class, but they were corrupt.
	Yeah, they were very corrupt.
	The point is that those were all corrupt.
	That was already corrupted by the time Jesus came up.
	And he was bound to come up as a light, because he was basically rebelling against the impossible situation that was happening.
	Well, against Roman occupation.
	Yes, and that ended...
	But he wasn't against Romans, he was against the Jews, he was against himself.
	No, he was against Roman occupation and its colluders in the Jewish priest class.
	Right, exactly.
	They had benefits from the Romans with autonomy.
	Well, they entered into a thing that the priest class was passed down within families, and they got paid a lot of money.
	They were paid by the community, so it was wealth within a family.
	Within a family lineage, you know, a family bloodline, I guess you'd call it.
	So I think that, like, so the spirituality aspect of Judaism that I think that, like, Christ was focusing in on was already kind of, like, extinguished by that point in the general...
	No, it wasn't extinguished.
	Well, he thought of it as being hypocritical and basically being corrupted.
	No, he was against...
	No, he was against the colluders who...
	You know, the colluders with Rome.
	Right, which was the saints.
	The priests.
	The Pharisees, yeah.
	That's what I'm saying.
	But there's no other way to get to God unless you basically go to the temple and you basically have them be the go-between between you and the Lord.
	Yeah, it's just like the Pope.
	But what I'm saying is that I think that he was Christ was Was trying to, like, take that God that basically was reserved for the people that, like, he spoke to, for instance.
	Like, God spoke to Moses, and he spoke to him, literally.
	And Abraham he spoke to literally.
	Then he stopped talking after that.
	Nobody else ever...
	Had God talking to them?
	No, they did.
	No, we know that.
	But they were just talking to themselves.
	I mean, they were like, they were crazy.
	We don't know.
	Well, no, everybody that fucking talks to God is fucking like, you know, here's God, right?
	What I'm saying is like, you can just say that.
	The point is that like, the point is that like, what Jews, what Jews, what Jews.
	All the prophets spoke to God.
	What I'm saying is that like, what we worship in Judaism is, what we do is we read the Torah year round.
	And we have a cycle.
	The story in the Torah is the record of the Jews, of different people across time, speaking to God and fucking it up with Him.
	And that gives us an edge.
	It gives us an edge.
	Because we basically learn, we never forget how we run afoul of God.
	Like, the story of, like, how the Jews basically kept on pissing off God.
	It's like Woody Allen.
	It's like, like, just with the cocaine.
	It's like, you know, like, we're Woody Allen-ing it with God every single step of the way.
	And that's kind of like, there's a self-hating kernel in Judaism that I think got, like, got inherited by Christ.
	And anybody that basically, anybody that we, like, influence, anybody that, like, came from us.
	They take that with them.
	There's a healthy amount of self-hate, maybe.
	I think there's got to be a healthy amount of self-reflection and doubt.
	Well, self-reflection isn't self-hate.
	Lack of self-reflection is self-hate.
	Well, I don't think people should hate themselves, but I'm saying people shouldn't love themselves either.
	I'm okay with myself.
	I'm definitely not.
	I don't love myself.
	Well, the thing is, you're supposed to be connected to God.
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	But whatever that means, it's very, very...
	People don't understand what that connection is, and there's no way to teach that, in a sense, because it's very, very subjective, and we're talking in language, so it's very...
	We have to sift through all the spells.
	I'm just saying that I think Christ was either the best Jew or the worst Jew.
	Either way, it doesn't matter.
	It's like he's one in a long line of them.
	Marx, in his own way, Though he disavowed Judaism.
	Is a perfect Jew.
	Because he fucking hates himself.
	Okay, I see what you mean.
	That is the kernel that we pass on with everybody.
	And this is why the Christians hate themselves now, too.
	And why they're becoming atheists.
	And this is why they also blame Jews, too.
	Because they see them as being the origin of their fall.
	I think that's true.
	And that's because In a sense, Christianity won.
	Christianity took the story of the Jews and WikiLeaked it to everybody.
	So now, all of a sudden, everybody could basically...
	How do I enter the kingdom of God?
	Oh, it's easy.
	You don't even have to sign anything.
	Where do I sign?
	No, you don't have to sign anything.
	You just have to accept Christ into your own...
	You don't think that's going to spread like hotcakes?
	That's the most successful fucking mail-order campaign ever.
	Designed. And you don't have to sign anywhere.
	You just have to have your relationship with God is personal through Jesus from now on.
	And it's almost a kind of like it completes Judaism in a sense because Judaism never really saw that far.
	It just basically wanted the end goal of Judaism is to like the Messiah will come.
	We'll be back in our homeland.
	It's just basically like, well, we'll be back in our fucking homeland eventually.
	But that's pretty, as far as goals are concerned, it's kind of laughable nowadays.
	It's like, yeah, you just go there, dude.
	But at the time, it seemed very, very ambitious.
	But Christ made it spiritual and made it about the afterlife and made it about heaven.
	And made it about people having a choice in their own – in infinity, in eternity.
	And that's what I mean by spirituality.
	Jews believe – they worship life.
	They don't worship death.
	They don't care about the death.
	There's no hell in our hell.
	You're not even included in the conversation if you fucking die.
	That we worship life, and that's what we are focused on.
	And there's a yin and yang to it.
	Well, some Jews do, but some don't.
	Well, some of them are just terrible.
	The atheists are fucking terrible.
	Yeah, but there's a deeper Judaism that, you know, unfortunately has been squashed, rewritten, stolen, culturally appropriated, and reversed.
	But there's still a real Judaism, and, you know, I think that we're on the verge of learning about it.
	And it is, after all, what Jesus taught, even though...
	Rome tried to use the Roman propaganda to cover it up, but it's being revealed right now.
	So do you think that the future is Jewish?
	Is that what you're saying?
	I think the future is full awareness.
	So it's kind of like...
	But where do the chosen people sit in that conversation?
	Well... Chosen people mean so many things, so many deep things, because it's like, of course, they were the ones who accepted to take Torah, to take the Torah.
	The chosen?
	Yeah, they were chosen to take Torah to the world.
	Well, that's Christianity.
	That's Christianity are the ones who basically keep the Torah alive and have given it to everybody.
	Nobody else would know about it.
	It'd be a secret.
	It probably wouldn't even be around if it weren't for Christians.
	In some way, no, that's not true, but in some ways, you know, they do keep Torah alive because Jesus taught Torah.
	Yes, exactly.
	So he's like to the priest class.
	To hell with y'all.
	I'm just going to go teach it to the people in the street.
	He's like a very good Jew.
	He's a better Jew than most Jews.
	I think he is too.
	He's like the best.
	He's like the Elvis of Jews.
	But he lived it and he did it.
	What he did and what he taught was all in the face of a Roman genocide on Jewish people.
	So he was...
	How is it a genocide on them, exactly?
	Because at the time of the destruction of the Second Temple, when Jesus was living, they said that the blood of Jews was running knee-deep in the streets from Roman occupation.
	The people that they would feed to the lions were the Jews and Rabbi Akiva's 24,000-student academy.
	That's who they did.
	And anyone who...
	Rome would do that everywhere they went.
	They would do that to subjugate everywhere they went.
	Yeah, they always do that to...
	The gypsies too?
	Yeah, they do it to the...
	They do it to native tribes when they're trying to steal their land and take their resources.
	And they keep a few and then they tax them.
	I wonder where Rome is now.
	You know where it is.
	It's still in charge.
	We're still under Roman occupation.
	I know, I know.
	Yeah, but it's crumbling.
	I hope so.
	It's crumbling big time.
	Real quick.
	This is fascinating.
	By the way, this is a fascinating conversation.
	We didn't even get into his music.
	No, we just got to do...
	You don't care?
	I do.
	I care about you writing this fucking song when you're 10. Well, I just think it's cool that you got canceled.
	You're the first person.
	No, be quiet.
	What is this song?
	You're 10 years old and your first song...
	It's a brilliant song.
	I heard it.
	Sexy Lady.
	Life changing.
	Have you heard it in your head?
	I still hear it in my head.
	It just came to you?
	It just came to you?
	You're 10 years old and it just came to you?
	Well, I was just like, you know, I think I wrote it and I went into my mom's room and I was just like, I wrote a song, you want to hear it?
	And then I sang it to her and it was in the mold of Billy Idol, dancing with myself kind of thing.
	So it's kind of got that music in the background, you know?
	That production, that kind of thing.
	What did your mom say?
	She loved it.
	Oh, cool.
	And then I went back and I wrote three more songs.
	And then I came back and I was just like, what do you think of these?
	What'd she think?
	She loved every one.
	Oh, that's so cool.
	And then I think I might have sang one to my dad one time.
	It didn't go over well.
	So I didn't sing any more to him for a long time.
	I don't think I've ever sang it.
	How do you do this time travel in your music?
	I'm very intrigued by that.
	Oh, because I listened to, as a person that was like, when I got older, as a teenager, I listened to music that was, you know, from a different era.
	What era?
	Well, I mean, from different ones.
	I mean, I sort of worked my way back.
	I sort of like started in...
	I started paying attention as a five-year-old in 1983.
	Then I grew up as a preteen, whatever, and then eventually I got to heavy metal, right?
	Like in the 80s, and it got heavier and heavier.
	And so I just was cataloging bands after bands after bands after bands.
	It's what you do as a metalhead.
	You're just like, they're all the same.
	They're all different, but they're all the same.
	And you learn to like the micro-differences between them.
	They all have resonance.
	And then I eventually got so heavy that it started to get into the black metal area.
	And then my parents intervened and they were like,"Maybe you should go stay with your cousins in Mexico." Because I wasn't socializing very well.
	When I went to junior high after six years of Temple Emanuel Community Day School, Reform Jewish School, I went to a public school in Beverly Hills,
	and those kids had been there since they were like...
	Really young.
	I was like the odd man out.
	I was there with my Twisted Sister shirt and my fucking Gorguts shirt.
	I'm just basically like, why isn't anybody talking to me, man?
	Aren't you interested in Gorguts?
	I'm a little pipsqueak.
	Nobody's going to pay attention to me talking about death metal.
	I stayed with my cousins when I was 14. In Mexico City.
	And I got socialized.
	I had my first kiss and my first everything.
	And when I came back, started high school, I was like reborn as like a sort of like, you know, into the Cure and the Smiths.
	Oh my God, that's my daughter.
	My middle daughter.
	My second oldest daughter.
	I had to go through the Robert Smith years with her.
	Yeah, so Robert Smith was like my hero pretty much.
	My emotional hero, because I still think he's pretty emotionally there, but he's kind of a retard now.
	But I swore by him for a very long time, well into my adulthood.
	I thought that he was the cool...
	I was like, there's nobody that was cool.
	The only person that was cool was Robert Smith.
	And Morrissey, too, but they hate each other, so it's kind of like the Rolling Stones and the Beatles kind of thing.
	But like...
	But yeah, that was my...
	I went from death metal to death rock within a span of three months or four months.
	And I remember coming back to LA and selling 300 CDs of death metal that I had accumulated and swapped it out for The Cure, Cabaret Voltaire.
	Throbbing Gristle, all these things that happened in the punk era kind of thing.
	And then I worked at a record store, and then I started learning stuff about the early 70s and then the late 60s.
	That world just blew my mind, and there was just so much of it.
	And then I learned about different parts of the world that were influenced by that period.
	And then I started to orient myself in history and in time.
	And my entire vision of the 20th century is colored by what music was made when, where, and why.
	And that's how I sort of see myself in the world.
	And I knew that nobody else was thinking about the music world that way.
	Not thinking about these days that way.
	So I was just like, let's see what kind of terrible...
	Fucking mess this makes.
	I know whatever I'm going to make is going to be...
	I know what hasn't been done.
	I know what has been done.
	And I was consigned to obscurity in my mind.
	I was like, musicians don't ever...
	They're flashing the pan at the best.
	And they come in and out of style.
	They all end up fucking penniless.
	Even the fucking king of pop, Michael Jackson.
	So I'm not...
	It's just...
	World glory is not for me.
	I just never thought of it.
	I thought, okay, I'll get over this urge to want to be accepted and loved, and I'll just do music anyway, and I'll do it, and I'll be discovered after I'm dead at 80 years old.
	They're going to dust out the trunks and the fucking closets, and they're going to have all these...
	Do you know Captain Beefheart?
	Of course.
	See, he's like that.
	Yeah, it's the same thing.
	And then everybody looks back on him and goes, damn, this guy started everything.
	And he was one of the best.
	Wasn't he?
	Absolutely. And he's a very big, very big influence on me.
	Extremely big influence.
	Absolutely. He's one of the biggest.
	Him and the shags.
	Like anti-music.
	Like making the worst thing possible.
	I mean, he really, like, the way he did it was beautiful.
	There's so many ways to get it wrong, though.
	That's the best thing about music is that you can be the worst at it and make the best music ever.
	You can't be a doctor that way.
	You can't be a terrible...
	Although you can.
	I guess you can.
	You can run the NIH.
	You can call yourself a doctor.
	I should call myself a doctor from now on, actually.
	Dr. Rosenberg.
	You can do it.
	Dr. Rosenberg.
	You remind me a little bit of talking to Frank Zappa, who was a friend of mine.
	Really? You're friends with him?
	Yeah. Huge influence.
	Yeah? A gigantic influence.
	Yeah. And he would...
	And Alice Cooper, are you friends with him?
	No, I don't know him.
	But I do like him.
	He was discovered by Frank Zappa.
	Yeah, I know that.
	No, her and Frank go way back.
	I knew their kids.
	You really?
	You know...
	Diva. One record that I made called...
	I love that his stuff was so instrumental for an orchestra, but it was still rock.
	He's actually one of the best pop songwriters ever.
	Right? The Mothers of Invention, the early stuff, we're only in it for the money, the parody stuff that he was doing about...
	That stuff is some of the best pop music.
	But he doesn't get enough praise for that.
	So a lot of my stuff has that quality of that early, that 60s era, mothers of invention kind of thing.
	And some of the experimental stuff, some of the freewheeling stuff, and some of the more dallying with the worst aspects of the trash.
	Mm-hmm.
	Of everything.
	And I really wanted to make the worst possible thing for the longest period of time.
	Yeah, I know what you mean.
	But then, of course, some people liked it, and I was just like, there's always going to be some people that like what you do.
	It's like a happy medium.
	Eventually, you're like, I'll settle for being just okay.
	I know what you mean.
	And so I definitely don't think...
	I'm happy that I can basically...
	I was happy...
	Before January 6th, which is another whole new chapter.
	That's for the next episode.
	Or we'll have you back.
	No, January 6th I definitely wanted to get into.
	So here you are, a cutting-edge musician, thinker, artist, and you make the fatal mistake of liking Donald Trump as I did.
	I made the fatal mistake of saying on my Twitter, vote for Trump.
	That's what I did.
	Big mistake.
	That was the action that I made.
	That was the action that basically put me on the radar, made everybody make a mental check.
	Oh, we have to get rid of that guy.
	And basically, they fudged some sort of news headline about me, saying that I was at somewhere that I wasn't.
	And they just cannot stand...
	Well, you were in D.C. on January 6th.
	That doesn't mean anything, though.
	No, but you weren't even at the Capitol.
	I've never been to the Capitol in my life.
	You didn't rush the Capitol with the horns.
	I've never been to the Capitol.
	I've never seen the Capitol.
	In fact, I went back to my hotel room and I saw Donald Trump at the White House.
	I was like, okay, his thing was over.
	I was like, I can go home now.
	I came what I was here for.
	I was here to basically say, to tip my hat to the fucking man, who I thought was the man.
	I still think he's the man.
	I hope he's the man.
	Anyway, I just liked that.
	It was my last opportunity to see him and say goodbye, pay my respects.
	And then, meanwhile, across town, Little to my knowledge, there was something, some sort of like commotion brewing.
	Didn't even hear about that until the next day, until I read the headlines.
	But even by then, I was already cancelled.
	So I didn't know that there was like, you know, the whole day was like nice.
	My friends went to the Capitol to check it out.
	And they're like, do you want to come?
	And I'm just like, this sounds like a protest.
	That sounds boring to me.
	I already saw the fucking king, man.
	I don't need to.
	Maybe I had an inkling that something bad would happen, but maybe that's been my fatal flaw, is discerning not to go there, having the foresight to sleep through it.
	But of course, they didn't care about that.
	They had already pegged me as being somebody that they're going to basically take out.
	And so I think I had a friend who basically tweeted...
	And I'm just like...
	We have video footage of you at the fucking Capitol.
	What do you have to say about that?
	Big fan, by the way.
	Well, I mean, I say that that's complete and utter bullshit.
	You don't have to answer this.
	You don't have to be so catty.
	We're just asking questions.
	It's not a big deal.
	And I'm just like, I'm not making a big deal.
	You just don't know what you're talking about.
	And she's like, okay, well, forget about it then.
	And the next thing I know, they took that quote.
	I was there to support my president.
	I didn't know what they were talking about.
	That got used as me practically in admission.
	My record label dropped me.
	Distributors dropped me.
	To this day, I'm banned, banned from the music industry.
	And moreover, anybody who supports me is banned.
	Anybody who publicly supports me is banned.
	So everybody in music, if you are in music and you dare say something about it and you have any kind of reach or profile, you will be fired from your band.
	For putting up an appreciation post about Ariel Pink.
	And I'm talking about that entire indie music world paradigm.
	Let me talk about the whole thing.
	They did that to Herbeth Hollywood.
	We get it.
	We saw it.
	They did it to Jade Johnston as well.
	I can't believe that these people actually aren't hung right now.
	I know.
	I met Douglas Mackey yesterday.
	I don't know who that is.
	Douglas Mackey was the guy who wrote the meme.
	Who got put in prison for the meme of the joke.
	Vote from home.
	Dial this number.
	Put in prison.
	Still fighting it on appeal.
	I met him yesterday.
	How do these people...
	How do the fucking people...
	How do they get away with it?
	How are they not...
	Hung from gallows.
	They're not in power anymore.
	If Donald Trump is...
	I mean, I know it's not that simple.
	But like...
	No, I need to see arrests.
	There need to be arrests.
	There need to be arrests and all of this fucking...
	Or we'll do it.
	I mean, I was already...
	I didn't think he was going to win.
	My bet was that he was going to be killed before the election.
	And I thought that they were...
	I was convinced of it.
	I was like...
	Can't have an election.
	I thought they wouldn't have an election.
	And I thought, and I said it, if they do have an election, and he's going to win, obviously, and if he wins, I have to rethink my whole fucking thing because there's no way...
	That they would let somebody win unless they basically...
	So now you think he's part of the machine?
	Well, I mean, I have to wonder about it.
	I kind of don't think so.
	I kind of think yes.
	I kind of think that it's a bigger...
	It's probably too big...
	Too big.
	Too big a thing to take care of.
	I mean, it's like having the weight of the world on your shoulders and how are you supposed to play that?
	If he's real...
	I would proceed with caution.
	Same. And so we can't rush to judgment about it.
	We don't know.
	I'm hopeful.
	I'm glad that Kamala's not in there because if she was, I would be able to...
	I could foresee the FBI coming for me.
	And basically taking me out within a year.
	I can see that too.
	I saw that too.
	I saw that for me as well.
	That's the only reason I voted for him too.
	The only reason I hung my hopes on him is because it was the future to live.
	I have a question.
	What if the enemy wasn't really that smart or powerful all along?
	They're not.
	Maybe that's what it was.
	Because I had the same thought.
	They're not powerful.
	They only have everybody's minds.
	But it's not a stronghold.
	It's like an illusion.
	It's like a spook.
	If you change their minds, if you put some new information in, they'll think something else.
	What I'm saying is that's what we're dealing with.
	That's what I think happened.
	But it's not...
	No, no.
	Something else.
	I think that it happened despite them putting stuff in people's minds.
	Because people are not that stupid.
	And they basically didn't need the media.
	They hate the media so much that the media...
	And it's fucking, like, doctors of psychology and knowing how to brainwash people.
	And it was so arrogant.
	And they just fumbled the ball so gloriously.
	That's what I'm saying.
	They had to go so over the top that they basically, like, unmatched themselves as basically being...
	They totally exposed themselves.
	They're such...
	They're the dumbest, worst people ever.
	I agree.
	I mean, they literally...
	They should be...
	Treason is, like, the biggest...
	It's like the highest defense in the country, right?
	Yeah, but they're getting away with it.
	Nobody's been arrested for treason.
	They're overthrowing the government with their fake election and all the rest of it.
	They tried to kill him for God's sakes.
	What the fuck?
	I mean, unless that's stage two.
	What I'm saying is like...
	One never knows.
	I don't choose to think that.
	It's possible, though.
	We have to be open-minded.
	I mean, I think that Trump might have fooled him.
	No, I know he did.
	Yeah, Trump might have been completely staged from his side because he has his own media thing.
	None of CNN's cameras are covering his live things anymore.
	All he needs to do is basically, after Alex Jones, hello, all he needs to do is basically have a shooting on camera.
	Like, go, ouch, just catch up on the fucking...
	All he needs to do is do that, have his camera see it, and then send it to the media.
	And basically, they would have to say it's real if they weren't going to put themselves at risk for doubting something that was an actual...
	Did you know that was the only thing CNN ever televised of his rallies?
	Was that one in Butler?
	Was it televised?
	Yes. It was live televised.
	The only one they ever televised on CNN.
	So that makes me think he wasn't into it.
	Because it was a weird sub.
	They wanted us to see his head blown off.
	They wanted us to see his head blown off.
	But it depends on who was behind the media.
	Here's the thing.
	If it was like a...
	That's a good point.
	That really puts a...
	That makes it that much more diabolical.
	That's what I think.
	That is true, by the way.
	What I'm telling you is true.
	They're so diabolical.
	That was the only thing CNN ever televised in Israel.
	It makes you think that he's not...
	They're so dumb.
	That's what I'm telling you.
	I think maybe we overestimated them as an enemy.
	They're not that smart.
	But I think evil is dumb.
	Yeah, it's not.
	That's what evil is.
	Dumb. It's pure emotion.
	It's arrogance.
	Yes, which is stupidity.
	It's haughtiness.
	Arrogance is ignorance.
	The Uber's here already?
	Send them back.
	I'm sleeping over.
	I feel like I could talk to you for a million years.
	Yeah, I love talking to you too.
	Thank you for doing this.
	I know that you're not feeling too hot or whatever.
	Well, I was very intrigued by, with the idea of talking with you.
	Well, I appreciate that.
	Because, you know, because I just love punk rock, you know, and I was in a couple punk rock bands, and I still have the desire to do punk, or perform punk.
	What bands were you, what bands, who did you know?
	Well, they were my own, but it was, uh.
	Were you friends with, like, the Germs?
	I was friends with, uh, oh no, I forget his name.
	From the Sex Pistols.
	Oh, Johnny Linen.
	Yeah. No, I wasn't friends with him.
	I was friends with the other guy.
	Oh, Sid Vicious.
	Or Steve Jones.
	Steve Jones.
	Oh, okay.
	And so I was talking to Steve Jones about, you know, wanting to do it.
	And I talked to, like, oh, I can't remember anybody's name.
	But I did put together my own band.
	And I went to CBGB in New York and performed.
	I went on the Howard Stern Show to promote it and tell everybody to come down and see me.
	When he was a radio station, when he was just a radio show.
	Yeah. And what I did was I did a 14-minute show, and I did a monologue, and then I did My Generation,
	but I speeded it up by five.
	And, you know, did all those songs, which kind of is intriguing to me about what you do and the way you take one time frame and move it to another time frame.
	I mean, you fuck with the timeline, and that's fantastic.
	And that's what I was trying to do back then was fuck with the timeline to speed up all the old songs and sing them punk.
	You know, and I sang I'm a man.
	Well, I mean, I think the Ramones were doing kind of the same thing.
	I think like all the good, all rock and roll is just like sort of like the process of necrophilia, like bringing it back from the dead.
	Yeah. So that's why I kind of like love it is because it's all about keeping it alive, keeping the dead alive, keeping things that like are extinct, you know, and outdated.
	Back into fashion.
	That's kind of the whole Trump thing.
	Make America great.
	I know.
	If you want to sum me up in a few words, and this is what will tie in everything, it's that I like the past.
	I believe in the past.
	I'm all about preserving the past, and I hate change.
	Change is the devil.
	It's not your friend.
	Yes, there is room for reinvention.
	Everything goes to shit.
	But if you love something, hold on to it for dear life while it's fucking there.
	It's going away.
	Don't worship.
	Change. And newness.
	And just reinvention and rebirth.
	Fucking enough.
	Enough. We don't need it anymore.
	Nothing even lands.
	It doesn't even have a chance to fucking stick around and fucking be born into anything.
	It's just fucking constantly molting into this fucking demon seed.
	And it's just like even I know that.
	And I was into fucking death metal and black metal and satanic shit.
	It's like If you love something, hold on to it.
	For dear life, don't let it go.
	And keep it to yourself, too.
	Don't share it with the rest of the world.
	Boy, I know that one.
	If you know of anything good, don't ever tell anybody about it.
	Anything that's good in the world is...
	Because people are attracted to good things.
	And they'll corrupt it.
	They want to fuck it up.
	It won't be good by the time they're fucking through with it.
	That's the reality of it.
	So, that's probably why they made me famous in the first place.
	It's probably just to get rid of me.
	That's what I think they did to me.
	Just so they could humiliate me.
	I think that's what they do.
	You have said that, Mom.
	I know, I have said that.
	But then I was like, how much of that do you think is because you're a Jew?
	I don't think any of it's because I'm a Jew.
	I think it's because...
	I think...
	I do.
	You think that they were just giving you, they were just doing you the favor because you were a Jew?
	No, she's saying destroying her because she was a Jew.
	Oh, destroying her.
	So they made you because you were Jewish, but they destroyed you because you were Jewish too.
	Yeah. See, I don't think that they made me because I was Jewish.
	I don't think that at all.
	I don't think that they, I don't think that they knew that I was, I think that like they.
	Maybe you made yourself because you're.
	I think you're giving the Jews way too much credit.
	Yeah. No, I'm not because nobody knew I was a Jew either.
	Yeah. No one thinks of either of you as Jews.
	But everybody should know that everybody in Hollywood is Jewish.
	Well, that's...
	Well, everyone...
	It's more like this.
	Everyone on Earth has some Jew in them.
	That's what I'm saying.
	By blood.
	By blood.
	Not by culture.
	I'm saying...
	But even by culture, too.
	The point is that, like...
	To hate a Jew is to basically hate yourself.
	So when you're trying to kill the Jews or trying to rid the world of Jews, it's like chopping off a limb of your fucking...
	Israel might be...
	This is what I wanted to talk about.
	I wanted to talk about Epstein.
	Because I really believe that...
	What do you think that's all about?
	I think the Epstein thing...
	It's just the FBI...
	Seizing the blackmail operation that may have been Israel.
	But it's besides the point.
	Why anybody fucking talks about it being Mossad?
	I mean, there's tons of agents from different countries at any given time trying to blackmail fucking famous people.
	But the point is everybody focusing on the Israeli part.
	Yeah, because it's the Jew.
	But the real thing is that Mossad...
	All the intelligence operatives and organizations in the world, they work for MI6, which is Britain, which is the UK, which is the Royals, which is the people who cause all the wars and finance both sides because they own the stock markets and all the things.
	That's not interesting to me.
	I'm saying that's not what's going to be uncovered.
	What they're protecting...
	It's not that.
	No, I know what you're saying.
	No, they are.
	They're protecting the royal family who gave Epstein all the money to build that island.
	Prince Andrew was very heavily involved.
	First of all, that's their right to do that.
	And if I was a country like Israel or any other country, I would want to have agents on the ground, wherever in the States probably, and able to blackmail people.
	by putting them in compromising positions and having them do things willfully that were criminal.
	No, it's just like a gang!
	It's like a gang or the mafia.
	That's how they all run.
	What I'm saying is like the who is framing our government officials is not the fucking scandal.
	The scandal is that they are fucking terrible people that can be compromised.
	What I'm saying is like that's the cover-up.
	What I'm saying is the conversation about who's behind the blackmail.
	We have all that.
	I didn't want to have sex with all those children but the Jews...
	But also, like, that's what they're saying just to fucking, like, as a limited hangout and to basically get you thinking about something else.
	The fact is, they are, what I think is that, like, the FBI has seized the evidence that these guys had for whatever means that they, for Mossad, for M16, whatever it is, they did any same thing, okay?
	Looking for these guys, looking for the FBI, these guys were...
	Keeping evidence and blackmail ops on these guys.
	They have all the evidence now.
	They can use it now.
	Okay, so what I'm saying is like Epstein's dead now, maybe.
	But like the FBI now has in their fucking palm of their hand.
	All the evidence and leverage they need to basically have those players control them in any way that they want.
	That's exactly right.
	And that's the first time that our FBI has consolidated that information.
	Yeah, because Obama made that happen.
	But also because of all these other operations that were happening with or without our knowledge.
	Right. So all we needed to do was basically come in, steal it, take it out of their house, seize it, And then we just keep it under lock and key so we can control our media and the people the way that we want to and for whatever means that we want to.
	So the blackmail operation persists, but it's now in the hands of our FBI.
	Well, I would think it was always in the hands of our FBI.
	Well, the whole government is a crime organization.
	No shit!
	They trafficked children.
	The whole border thing was because they trafficked drugs, guns, and children.
	And slaves over the border, and that's how they pay for their black ops.
	So, of course, every, you know, all the five eyes, everything's going to get involved in that.
	And who wrote, I mean, who really overthrew, well, that's, I mean, you look at our election in 2020, and, you know.
	It was MI6.
	I thought it was.
	You think it was MI6?
	Yeah, they do everything all over the world.
	I thought it was in-house.
	No, they overthrow all governments because the UK government is the front office for Standard Oil.
	And that's all it's about.
	Standard Oil.
	You know, and they're in the Middle East to take the oil out from underneath the feet of the people.
	But they don't need to do that anymore.
	They don't need to do that anymore.
	Well... I mean, we have all the oil here.
	Well, that's why they didn't want Trump.
	Right, right.
	Because they make double money on, you know, war.
	So you don't think that they're still...
	War to get the oil.
	So they're getting paid twice, right?
	And Trump's just like, we're going to have oil here.
	It's like, we're not even getting any fucking slaves or booty stealing this oil off of people that we're not even going to be able to steal it from.
	So we should probably just use that oil for us.
	Hello? We will, with Trump, what we're going to do is become the number one exporter of oil to the world.
	We were his first administration.
	We were.
	A lot of people don't know that.
	Well, that's what they hate.
	And thank you, Obama.
	You discovered that fucking reserve.
	Yeah. That's one good thing that he did.
	I guess that slipped through the cracks.
	That's why you had to fucking get out of there.
	Well, even when they try, I mean, because I believe in God, so I'm like, God's in control.
	And even, you know, the...
	I do think so, too.
	Men with, huh?
	I believe that's the case.
	So even men's shady dealings and all the shit they do, all the shit Obama did, all the USAID did, all of the Project Blue and all the other BLM yanks, they used on us.
	It works for the good.
	They don't think so.
	They think they're so damn smart.
	But it works towards the common good, and they can't do anything to stop that.
	What they've been trying to do has been to demote the U.S. dollar, to short the dollar, to basically make the U.S. not the superpower of the world.
	Why? Because the real conspiracy is...
	The U.S. cannot be the world power because they're evil because they have women's rights.
	That's my bottom line.
	I think that the United States is a rogue nation.
	It started off as being a bunch of bandits.
	That basically like, you know, like made their own rules and like whoever got here first sort of like, you know, like, you know, they're kind of like the most, the craftiest of the thugs, I would say, from Europe, I would say.
	And that's what they, should we get out of here?
	No, I burped, sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	But for whatever, and so it's really, really what it really was was a criminal front to begin with.
	Always. Always was the country second.
	The country, like the standard of living coming up here was sort of like a means to an end for them to basically become a military powerhouse that basically sells wars to the rest of the world.
	And that's what we mainly are.
	Yeah, our number one export is war, but Trump changes all that.
	No, I know.
	That's what I love about this place.
	Me too.
	This place actually manages to exceed expectations.
	What place?
	What place?
	America. America, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	The United States.
	And it all works for good.
	Even if they intend it for bad, it'll be changed.
	The rest of the world thinks so, too.
	The rest of the world looks at us as like, to see what's going to happen in their own country.
	Five years down the line or ten years down the line.
	We can't let that down.
	America is the only thing that stands in the way of the globalist Nazi world order.
	I can't stand W.E.F.
	Schwab. W.H.O.
	The UN.
	COVID was the worst thing that ever happened, in my view.
	The most disgusting thing.
	I loved it.
	I thought it was like the Great Awakening.
	People used to think we were crazy before COVID.
	Yeah, they forced us into our homes not thinking that.
	We were going to figure some shit out, but we did.
	Yeah, talk to each other and get off the fucking news.
	I mean, they just...
	They just...
	They woke us up.
	It's the same thing with...
	It worked for good.
	Yeah, it always works for good.
	That's the title of this episode.
	But we need to figure out how to brainwash people back.
	We'll get there.
	That's what podcasting is.
	That's what we're doing.
	Let's brainwash him.
	Let's brainwash him into daring to be creative.
	Create good music.
	And preserve freedom of speech.
	All you need is brainwash them.
	You just need to blackmail them into it.
	Make them an offer they can't refuse.
	That's exactly what needs to happen.
	The only reason the Democrats did it is because they felt like they had a better chance of keeping their power.
	Well, they thought they could stimulate everybody's lower chakras for power.
	But what they didn't figure out is that some of us, we were talking about Anans, but some of us like to stimulate people's good instincts for power.
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, I think that they underestimated conservatives.
	They thought that they would never ever...
	Have a chance, and so they hedged their bets on doing what, standing by and letting the sort of like, you know, the color revolution that was artificially paid for and stimulated by we know who.
	By the KGB in Qatar.
	And CIA, and the FBI, and the fucking, and everybody else in the fucking government.
	All the intelligence community.
	Yeah, and the judges and the prosecutors, blah, blah, blah.
	All of it.
	And the media.
	All the media.
	Let's just cut to the chase.
	All the pedophiles.
	The worst people on the planet.
	They're in a confederacy.
	The confederacy of dunces.
	But you had a good point, and we do have to wrap up, but you had a really good point when we were outside earlier.
	I wanted to get this on the air.
	When we were talking about cancel culture, and you said, it's not real, it's just a bunch of people on...
	I mean, I'm paraphrasing, I'll let you explain it, but the people, the groundswell on Twitter didn't really work.
	It was funded by...
	The government.
	They would single out a person like you or my mother and then the Twitter people just were the front office or whatever you said.
	They're not real people, by the way.
	They're complete bot swarms.
	They're obese women in Nebraska.
	Some of them are.
	I think most of them, anytime I say anything on Twitter and I've been inciting I've been getting them to basically like Bite every single time this week.
	I've just been like, am I cancelled or what?
	Just saying the same thing over and over again.
	Having them hate me.
	And they're falling for it every time.
	That's what Trump does.
	But it's not even them.
	I'm in a box.
	I got put in a box by some person that worked at Twitter when it was Twitter.
	It was forgotten about when Once Elon took over, he bought the company, he probably fired the guy that fucking put me in the box.
	The point is that I'm still in the box.
	Cancel culture might be over, but as far as the optics online are concerned, I'm still in the grotto.
	Me too!
	And nobody knows that I exist, because any time I say anything, there's just a bunch of fake accounts that have anime profiles.
	They basically just swarm me, and this is just to basically keep me silent, but these are algorithms that basically just already...
	Yeah, they're bots.
	They see the word cancel culture, and I'm basically obsessed.
	You need to write a great punk-type song to take them down.
	I mean, I wrote the song Canceled.
	But they're never going to let anybody hear it.
	It goes, I'm cancelled in the city I live.
	Guess what I did?
	I woke up to...
	I woke up in Washington, D.C. They crashed all the doors and windows without a key.
	And then I woke up from my nap and turned on my TV.
	I saw all these pictures and articles and Tucker Carlson on me.
	Now I'm cancelled in the city.
	But nobody...
	Non-entity.
	If I remind the world that I exist, I get flogged.
	And I'm seen as...
	They also metooed me right afterwards just to hammer the nail in the coffin.
	But it's all completely...
	And the world is still...
	The Pixies fired their bass player of 10 years.
	They didn't fire her.
	They ghosted her after she put an appreciation post for me.
	On Instagram.
	Everybody knows it.
	They don't come out and say it.
	They don't even admit...
	Nobody admits that cancel culture exists.
	It's a state of mind.
	You're saying it's government funding.
	I'm saying it's not...
	The people do not have the power to cancel anybody.
	Yeah, this is fascinating.
	They think that they do because that's what the government flatters them to think.
	Because they're the weakest people ever.
	They want them to think that they have a coalition, they have a group that could basically like...
	But really what it is, the government cancels you through the media and says, this person is A-OK to go and bully and harass and terrorize.
	That's exactly right.
	And that's what they do because they know that they have government protection.
	That's exactly right.
	That's all it is.
	But the canceling is from the back.
	It's already happened before it gets to the people.
	Yeah, it's not a popular trend as well.
	There's no such thing as cancellation.
	It's just...
	The idea of it is to flatter people that have no power.
	Fucking right on.
	That's what it is.
	How smart is that?
	And so I think that whatever has to happen with me has to happen at a much more – at a higher level, which I don't know who's in charge.
	Cash Patel is not going to be in charge of the music industry.
	He's not going to be fucking telling – You know, fucking, I don't know, what are some companies, you're not going to tell Universal to like, you know, uncancel artists, I mean, they can't, but I'm saying, I'm saying,
	they're really just, I think that they really fucked up, and they, and my existence is a reminder that they fucked up, they can't reverse it.
	Because that would be tacit admission that they did it in the first place.
	That's exactly right.
	So they see it as a liability.
	I'm basically persona non grata.
	I'm never going to be allowed back in.
	Cancel culture, for me, exists in perpetuity.
	For everybody else, it might have just been like a fad from a couple years ago.
	No, I think you're right.
	I think it's USAID funded.
	What do you think of all these young kids in the...
	Rap world, what they've done to them.
	Well, the rap world, I think the rap world got a lot of its money from the government.
	The DAI, basically, kind of thing.
	I think that the people who got the most recent handout, millions of dollars to these grifters, you know?
	Just like, you know.
	Community pillars and all that kind of stuff.
	I think that those people are like, you know, they probably are sitting on their money.
	They basically are popular and they're trying to figure out how to fucking keep it now.
	What do they have to do?
	What kind of grift do they have to set up?
	They have to change shit.
	Can't change course.
	They have to start like...
	They probably think that they have to get into indie music or something like that.
	I don't know.
	If they're on the take, they're probably trying to figure it out.
	But I think that we're still in the afterglow of all that, so they don't really realize it yet, how fucked they are.
	They don't even know they lost.
	They don't even know that they lost.
	They don't understand why they did, anyway.
	What do you think is going to be the next musical thing?
	I don't know, because culture has been completely subsumed with politics.
	There's nothing.
	There's nothing.
	I mean, that's what I'm trying to figure out.
	I don't think there's going to be a next thing.
	I think we have to fucking...
	Burn it down?
	No, no, no, no.
	We have to just bring it back to life.
	Keep the dead alive.
	Keep the grateful dead alive.
	Keep the past.
	Keep it going.
	It wasn't that fucked up.
	This country was fucking okay.
	It wasn't perfect.
	But it was better.
	It was good.
	My life was good, dude.
	We had great...
	This is what I think.
	I think the internet is the biggest sort of weapon that they...
	And I think if Donald Trump really wanted to look for the longevity of this country, they would pay people to not use the internet.
	I'm serious.
	They should do a program to make sure that it's a voluntary thing and that it's not a requirement to be online.
	To live your life and make it a voluntary thing.
	Make it akin to its own industry.
	If you want to dabble in, if you want to go in there, it's a black market more or less, but it's a place where people get blackmailed.
	Go in at your own peril.
	You want to fucking go do anonymous shit?
	You want to shop on Amazon?
	You want to not shop at Walmart?
	Okay, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	But there's still ma and pa stores.
	There's still local stuff.
	The infrastructure is still here.
	We didn't need the internet for that.
	We still have toilets working.
	We still have utilities.
	We don't need it.
	We don't need to get everything on the fucking grid.
	Don't fucking do that.
	We need to ensure that everything is fine.
	We just don't need to fucking have the internet capture our minds and make itself at the last territory that needs to be conquered because it's worldwide.
	That's right.
	It's worldwide.
	Well, here's the creativity and freedom, right?
	Yes. And here's the Trump.
	Here's the making America great again.
	Here's the fucking...
	Pay me.
	Pay me for not being on the internet.
	Here's the fucking...
	A bunch of Democrats will appreciate it.
	What's the word?
	Return to normalcy?
	No, it's like...
	Make Ariel gay again.
	It's like we have to mock.
	Yeah. We have to mock like fuck.
	You gotta start making some songs that mock.
	Well, he does.
	I'm a lover, dude.
	I'm all about softness and about loving.
	I'm not a hater.
	You are gay, Ben.
	I brought gay into fucking fashion, dude.
	But I mean, seriously, what do you think we should do?
	Dude, we have to fucking get the prosecutors out.
	The prosecutors.
	Are not really prosecutors.
	We need to declare them terrorists.
	I think that Donald Trump should...
	I love that.
	I think Donald Trump should actually...
	What I would do is, if I was him, I would declare the Democratic Party a terrorist organization.
	Oh yeah, they are.
	And then I would give a week where you can basically leave the Democratic Party or...
	If you stay in the Democratic Party, you just...
	You're a terrorist.
	You take your chances.
	And then, once that week passes and everybody that stayed in the fucking Democratic Party...
	Kill them.
	Just fucking arrest them.
	Arrest the fuck out of them.
	Because they're a terrorist organization.
	And then, if I was Donald Trump, I would remake, build up the Democratic Party.
	From the scratch, make it dignified again, and make it good.
	That's what I think exactly.
	We are so on the same page.
	You are my spirit animal.
	That's what I say, man.
	We are the same person.
	I love that you said when people ask you, what do they say, and you say, I'm basically Roseanne.
	I just say Roseanne.
	What are your politics?
	I say Roseanne.
	Well, you know.
	It's wonderful to meet a kindred spirit.
	It's a dream come true.
	Kindred spirit.
	It's a dream come true for me and it's a dream come true for Devin.
	I know that much.
	You're amazing.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you.
	What a wonderful experience it was to sit and talk with you and go deep with you.
	And I hope, you know, I'm just going to say, I know that truth wins out.
	So fuck you.
	So you see my patience is running fit.
	Can you believe how beautiful my voice is?
	Yeah, why don't you do a song?
	Tom McDonald did a song with her.
	You should do one with my mother.
	We're fucking living in...
	Start a band.
	Start a band.
	I want to.
	Oh, I was going to tell you the name of my band.
	It was Roseanne and the Dicks.
	And it was D-X-X-X.

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