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JFK case solved!? with Shane Stevens | The Roseanne Barr Podcast #85
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Greetings, Americans, and earthlings, human beings, and all what-have-yous from whatever planet, nation, grid, wherever you're from.
Welcome here to the Roseanne Bar Podcast.
We have a really interesting show today.
We have Shane Stevens, who is the grandson of the late, they called him Billy Saul Estes, which I can't wait to talk about because my dad was so into that whole thing.
My dad used to talk about it all the time when I was a kid.
Vicarious knowledge of this whole thing.
And it'll be a mind-blower.
And he was just on Alex Jones, my friend's show the other day, and I watched that, and that was phenomenal.
It was phenomenal.
So I'm happy to have you here.
Hi, Shane.
Hello, Ms. Barr.
It's an honor to be on your show and your sweet, dear friend, my wife, Jen.
Same with you, Jake.
So thank you all for that.
Excited to go into whatever it is that y'all want to talk about or whichever direction you want to go.
Well, Jake told me that he met you over there at some party where we all met at Mar-a-Lago.
No, it was actually John's house in Texas about a year ago.
And I know Shane's wife.
We just hit it off, and I started talking to Shane.
We're in the living room, and he starts telling me about this audio tape.
Yeah.
And I don't know how it came up, but he plays it for me on his phone, and it basically implicates LBJ in the assassination of JFK, and he's telling me about his family's history.
We'll get into all this, but anyway, I'm at a party, and he's telling me all this stuff, and I'm like, this is going to be the biggest story, but at the time, you know, he was going through the proper channels.
We kind of laid off, so I... To my surprise, I see it going Alex Jones two weeks ago or something.
50 million views it's at now.
I mean, it's a huge, huge story.
Insanely viral.
Your wife was texting me.
She was embarrassed because everyone was calling her around the clock.
And I was like, I'm so happy that we can finally talk about this because I kind of felt like I was keeping it secret.
And it was like one of the most important things I have ever heard.
And I think it is.
Well, Alex's show was the right place to break it because, you know, look what Alex has done for all of us.
He's the original truther, right?
He's woke up most of us, Alex, right?
He has.
Yeah, he's been way out in front of it, and he's fought all of the stigmas to some degree like I have.
You know, growing up with the granddad that's Billy Solestas and, you know, Crook, Convict, Swindler.
All of that.
And sadly, I believed all of it when I was a kid.
You do?
Yeah, well, not anymore.
You know, the older you get.
When you were a kid, you were a kid.
I mean, that's what the book, the history books, the TV, that's what everybody said about him.
And we didn't know back then.
We're in the Great Awakening and everything's opening up.
And it's, you know, I think our gut told us at times, wait, what?
We're seeing on this Kennedy assassination or, you know, certain things like I think we had the intuition or gut feeling that it wasn't right.
But now everybody kind of questions because we've seen so many lies and so much deceit.
And so now we individually really question and I think have a responsibility to what's right, what's real, what's true.
And where are we being lied to?
That's right, Americans, because you know what?
We will be judged for what we allowed and for the leaders we allowed to do whatever the hell they have done in our name.
We will be judged for it.
Stop thinking you won't be.
Stop thinking you got clean hands because you don't.
And it's time to fully wake up as to what's been done in your name and with your money and with your kids' lives and with your life.
And you'll be happy to know, Shane.
That there was one man out there in Salt Lake City, Utah, named Jerome Harold Barr, who he took up for Billy Saul Estes when I was a girl.
And he said, I remember my dad, I don't remember all he talked about, but he said, they're railroading this guy.
Because my dad, he thought like me with that kind of, ah, these are all crooks everywhere.
They're all crooks, the whole government.
But he's like, they're railroading this guy.
They're going to hang the whole blame of every dirty thing they've done forever on this guy.
And my dad said it was because he had the name Saul in his name and they were going to blame him because they were thinking he was a Jew.
That's what my dad said because he thought everyone hated anything to do with the Jews.
And if they had the name Saul, they'll hang it on them.
The funny thing is, a Jewish man, once they put a halt to everything, all of my grandfather's business dealings, it came to a screeching halt.
He could no longer do business.
Most of the folks that invested with him and taken out loans, I've talked to so many of them, and they've said, Shane, he would have been able to make everything come together.
If they not stopped him, halted him, froze his bank accounts, his assets, he would have worked that deal out.
And, you know, since I've obviously looked in and understood what this business model was, and it's funny, I can tell you all the story about a tow truck company, of how his mind worked, to where it wasn't necessarily unethical, or it wasn't illegal, but maybe it wasn't fully ethical sometimes.
Really?
You mean our government?
You mean someone in our government did something unethical and barely legal?
Really?
For business?
There was some shady stuff going on.
And LBJ, he was a slick one, no doubt about it.
Shane, can you give a little backstory?
He was really slick, huh?
What are you asking?
Just what exactly happened with your grandfather, because a lot of people don't know that story.
No, I'm getting to it.
Okay, all right, I'll let you know.
Okay.
Shh.
You.
Shh.
I'll get to you, because you know stuff I don't know.
But wait.
Yeah.
So LBJ, he was a slick one, wasn't he?
He was.
You know, my granddad said that he's one of the meanest people that he had ever met, and he was fascinated with them.
Typically, it's kind of like you see these billionaires these days, and they control the politicians.
Well, LBJ controlled everybody, whether it was the senators, the congressmen.
His donors, he had a fascinating way of controlling people and it was in part based on his relationship with J. Edgar Hoover.
And then they would get dirt on people and he was not afraid to use it for his benefit.
There was no shame in it.
And then he was a little bit heavy handed to where if they got out of line and that didn't work, then they often died very mysteriously.
So my granddad...
Yeah, it was like kind of what...
I mean, in a way, it's kind of what, how close, I mean, this is an opinion, but it's kind of exactly like Biden, but Biden was not good at it.
To some degree, I mean, poor Biden.
I think Biden was controlled, perhaps by some level of deep state, and honestly think that was a test of the American people to see how far they could get and what they could get away with.
I do too, bingo.
I mean, I'm still concerned about a lot of the stuff that was signed after he was ruled incapable of running for president.
How is he still capable of signing all of these executive orders?
How is he capable of 8,000 folks that he's doing pardons for?
You can't be incompetent but then make huge decisions that impact all of us.
Huge decisions?
Decisions that are clearly incompetent and immoral.
But anyway, back to the granddaddy of the Democrat Party.
He was the granddaddy, wasn't he?
Well, let's just go to it.
Your granddaddy, he knew they were coming for him and they were going to pin all this government What do you call it?
Agricultural scandal on him.
So he made himself an insurance tape, right?
Can we say before we introduce this tape?
He made himself an insurance policy, which is a tape recording.
Is that right?
So to some degree, it's partially accurate.
There are other tapes, which I do not have, but there are other tapes that were.
Done before and during the whole trial, which happened, I believe, in the early 60s.
So probably 1961, somewhere in that time frame is when the trial began.
And ultimately, the Kennedys were coming after LBJ, but to get to LBJ, they were going after his network.
So there are supposedly tapes from around that time frame.
Fossil, I don't want to talk too much on that, but this tape was recorded more around 1971 because my granddad had recently gotten out of jail or prison, and then Cliff Carter, who he's talking to, who was, I mean, LBJ's right-hand man.
We can go on, listen to his voice, go to Spartacus Educational.
That's what I first did is I tried to verify this Cliff Carter voice, and you can hear it time and time again.
So this was, I think, more of an insurance policy that he wasn't going to get killed.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
Once he got out of prison, because supposedly, you know, one little family story, I didn't share this on Alex's show, is Bobby Kennedy, once my granddad was in prison, going to prison, once it was over, there were three people that were indicted.
Two of them died very mysteriously, but my granddad lived.
Perhaps it's because of the tapes.
Perhaps it's because he had given Lyndon $10 million.
And supposedly, Lyndon had said, get Billy Saul off at all costs.
But you can't incriminate me in order to do it.
And that was the sticking point.
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It would have brought Lyndon in in order to get my granddad off to show that, no, this was an open deal that a lot of people knew about.
Record that tape.
But then once Bobby came to him and said, look, we'll get you out of jail and we'll get you off of this, but you have to turn evidence on LBJ. He said, the minute I get out of here, turn evidence, I'm going to be dead.
It's like, I will not do it.
My life and my family's life is too important.
And so I can't.
He would have helped them had he thought that they could protect him and his family, but he knew the level of corruption and power.
That LBJ held and what he was willing to do to keep it.
And so he wasn't willing to share it.
And it was about, Jake, you know this so well.
It was about a Texas agriculture.
Jake, go into that now.
Well, I mean, that's why I asked you, Shane.
What exactly was your grandfather indicted for and arrested for?
Because it sounds to me like he was doing deals with Johnson.
It was kickback stuff.
I don't know.
How is it different than anything happening in government today, is my first question.
Well, so it's not a lot different.
Sadly, even here in Texas, the tab to pay to play is a minimum of $250,000.
And then you get big state contracts.
I was told that firsthand, and it's a sad state.
I wish we were in a better place, but that's what you got to do.
Back then, and I think that goes through PACs.
You donate it to a PAC and then they put the money in.
But back then, it was delivered a lot of times in briefcases to Lyndon Johnson.
So there were two scandals.
I mean, there were some others that had happened.
So, for example, There was like a bunch of little houses that were on a lake that used to be some type of government, Boy Scout camp, something along those lines.
Well, LBJ flipped that to my granddad and he bought it for, say, $1,500 a house and then put $500,000 into them and then sold them for $7,000 or $8,000.
But he'd have to pony up to the right people after the fact.
And these two that were way bigger, one was cotton allotments, and that's a really fun story.
And then the other one, which he's more well known for, is anahydrous ammonia, and really the storage tanks that you could put them in.
And so I'm happy to...
Share the details of what was going on, if you all want to go into that much.
I wanted to know about the cotton stuff.
The agricultural stuff always fascinates me because I farm in Hawaii, so I was wondering about all that, how crooked they are with their farm stuff.
Well, it sounds like a pay-for-play scheme.
It sounds like the mafia.
That's what it is, even though it was Johnson and the Democrats.
That's what it is, right?
It's a protection weapon or what?
Well, so...
Back then, if I understand it properly, and again, I'm not a historical expert, but this is what I know and I'm happy to be corrected, but there were cotton allotments.
And generally, depending on how much land you had or when they were given, you could only have so many cotton allotments, so much acreage per se.
So maybe this guy has 2,000 acres worth and this guy has 5,000 acres worth, but whatever you got, you got.
Well, Saul, he was trying to expand his empire out in Pecos, Texas.
And he wanted larger acreage tracts, more cotton allotments.
This is where it becomes a little bit of a scheme.
And he would go to these farmers and say, look, I want to sell you some of my land and you can then transfer your cotton allotment onto that land.
But then I'm going to lease it from you for more than what the payments would be for the land.
You're going to default on your first payment for that land, and that comes one year after we sign our documents.
And per our agreement here, it basically says once you default, the land comes to me.
And so also the cotton allotment comes to me.
So the farmer is making a big chunk of money off of not really having to do anything.
And then my granddad has an insurance policy on his side.
He would basically take these long strips of land and that's what he was selling to these farmers.
So that way, even if they did try and default on it, there's no way they could go out and farm these long, narrow strips of land.
Okay.
It's like BlackRock buying up.
So he goes...
What was a cotton allotment though?
What was that?
That was a government contract, right?
No, it just gave you the right to farm the land, and I think the government would pay the land.
Yeah, it's a government contract.
It's a government.
It's a subsidy.
It's a subsidy.
There you go.
Yeah, exactly.
Maybe it was a subsidy.
Maybe it gave you rights to farm the land, but either way, you're making money off of it.
Well, it gave the government a hook into stealing your land from you.
That's what it was.
Right.
It's all a Ponzi scheme of the government.
Taking our tax money to steal our own shit from us.
And kill us too.
But anyways, talk about killing us now.
So LBJ there wasn't...
So anyway, he kills Kennedy, right?
That's the big secret.
That's the big secret everybody already knows.
It was in...
What's his name?
Stone's movie.
Yeah, Oliver Stone's movie.
He's sitting there with Donald Sutherland, and Sutherland goes, yeah, LBJ killed him.
Okay, and then he never says why, but you know why, right?
Your granddad knew why.
Oh yeah, there was a lot of motive.
If motive is a reason to kill somebody, and you figure out who has the most motive...
There's only one person it leads to.
Right.
Right.
Why did...
What do you think was the motive?
Allegedly that...
If allegedly...
Well, I mean, I guess Trump's going to declass it, so we'll know.
But if allegedly it was LBJ who did that, what was his motive?
I mean...
So, in two things on that.
One, can I speak to the declass for just a second?
Please.
So, knowing what I know, and then also every expert on LBJ, JFK, the assassination, has reached out to me over the last few weeks since that show came out.
Everybody's kind of thinking the same thing.
So, LBJ went to extremes to protect his family legacy, family wealth.
He put Jack Valente over the Motion Picture Association, which ensured that no films or movies would ever come out that would incriminate him.
And there's another guy with the last name of Johnson, I think.
He put him with CNN. Somebody would have to look into that and verify the guy's name and the details to ensure that within the news, nothing could come out.
And he had different people positioned different areas to help protect this whole family name and legacy.
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So if I'm going to that extent and I've got J. Edgar Hoover running the FBI, and then I've got friends that are running the CIA and everybody's slightly involved in it, I'm not sure that I'm going to leave all the details of what we did there if I've gone through all this effort to cover it up.
I'm not sure that I would trust classified documents that much.
On the other side, I know a lot of murderers, serial killers, their pride or ego wants the story to be known at some point, too.
Like, look what I got away with.
Yeah, they love that.
They usually turn themselves in somehow.
Yeah, so I'm 75% that we're not going to find out all the details and the full truth, and then I've got this 25% thought that maybe it all is in there.
Well, it seems like it's the same people all the time.
None of them's ever been arrested, and they're still in the government, the same people, or their kids took over for them, or they're still running the same racket from...
Tiny little islands that the FBI and the CIA fly people to, and then they end up dead.
But listen, maybe Cuba, this is what I think.
Perhaps Cuba was the first Epstein Island.
They was taking people over there, blackmailing this and that, and their hotels probably all wired up by, what's his name?
Castro?
No, Hoover.
Oh, yeah.
No, they did the honeypots and the blackmail, of course.
Yeah, and then Castro was like, hey, you know, I can make more money than all of you when I get in bed with Russia.
You're out of here.
Yeah, and there was a lot of stuff going on with Cuba, and they tried to pin it on Castro.
They had Lee Harvey Oswald.
He was a CIA guy, you know, in interviews with his mom.
She discussed, he's CIA, but when everybody's talking about him being this pro-Castro communist, that's part of the facade that he was using as a low-level spy to infiltrate and get in.
And then they use that against him to pin him as the patsy.
And so, I mean, he literally got hired the day before, and then his supervisor told him to go to the book repository.
Anybody who knew anything got rewarded and, I think, pipelined into power.
Anyone who kept the big secret.
So, I don't know.
Do you think he's really going to declassify it?
Or are you doing it for him?
No, it's funny.
I've seen some people saying, when's the declass coming?
And folks are like...
This is the D-class.
It is.
This is not.
I just, I woke up one, it was a Thursday morning and God put it on my heart.
He said, you need to release it.
And I have no idea why or what's pertinent to the timing.
Perhaps subconsciously, I feel confident that, you know, Trump's going to release everything.
And obviously he's since signed the executive order to release it.
And it feels like...
Trump says he goes, okay, we're going to release the Kennedy, the MLK, and the Bobby list.
All that before the Epstein.
Think about that.
It takes about six years.
It's kind of scary on the Epstein list of what all's in there.
I guarantee it's the same people.
I guarantee it's all...
You can tell that, right?
It's just all the same people.
They pulled a big one on us.
They stole everything we had.
They're still doing it.
And, you know, we're lucky we got Trump in because we got a chance to put an end to it.
Do you agree?
And I think, yes, God is doing this D-class because he put it on you.
That's how things work.
Yeah, I mean, I've texted Don Jr. and just told him, I was like, I'm Trump.
God has his hand on him and is protecting him.
I do worry.
They're going to continue to try and kill him.
He's now taken over the Secret Service.
I think he's got better control, but they've got to be running for the hills and not just on their old corruption and murders, but the recent stuff that they've done.
We're not in the clear and we all need to be praying for President Trump right now that God will not remove his hedge of protection from him because He's the only person I can think of that's truly, in my opinion, above it all to where they can't buy him.
They've tried to kill him.
They've done everything to weaponize the IRS against him.
They've weaponized the judicial system against him.
They have thrown everything they can at him and he stands there resilient and is just like, what else have you got?
It's mind blowing.
It's inspiring as well.
I think it's good that it's coming from you because he won't have to fight so hard to get this knowledge out there that this government is, you know, parts of it, secret parts of it.
The ones that don't have any accountability to we, the people whose government it is, they need to be dealt with and handled and, you know, judged and removed.
And I think the people are ready for it now.
I really do.
So now I want you to talk about, and should we play the tape, or where do you want to go from here with this, Jake?
I'll probably edit it in a couple of questions.
I just want to set up a little context here.
It's important because a lot of people don't know about this.
We know everything, but a lot of people don't.
So Lyndon Johnson, for those that have been under a rock, was the vice president under John F. Kennedy at the time.
And John F. Kennedy was investigating Lyndon Johnson.
You asked earlier, Mom, about motive.
Johnson and Shane's grandfather, there's this cotton allotment, there's all this criminal stuff that Kennedy's looking into, and Bobby Kennedy, who's the attorney general at the time, is looking into, also looking into the market.
It's about government contracts to control farms.
Well, yeah, but they're investigating Lyndon Johnson, their vice president.
And that's something that I like.
I didn't know.
This is new from Shane.
Because he's selling cotton, whatever they're called.
It's the Texas Mafia with Shane's grandfather.
That's what he's talking about.
So Lyndon's like, okay, you got to back off.
And the Kennedys don't.
The same thing they did to Sam Gianconop in Chicago.
They're going hard, which to me is amazing.
Everyone wants to say Kennedys are amazing.
But let's not forget the Kennedys themselves are a mafia family.
They come from bootlegging alcohol, right?
So it's mafia warfare.
So they're turning on their own bodies.
It's like the Sopranos turning on New York.
That's how I see it.
And that's my question for Shane, and then I'll back off.
Doesn't this feel more like Kennedys?
Crime families going after the Johnson crime family, even though they're president and vice president in the same administration.
And it's kind of like a fuck you.
And then Johnson orders this hit and kills Kennedy as a way of saying fuck you, then takes over as president and is signed in later that day.
There's no more bigger motive.
I mean, that's the story, right?
It's a massive power struggle.
And there were so many people aligned against the Kennedys.
And for the most part, the Kennedys were doing a lot of things right.
Okay.
There was some stuff that they were unethical.
And Jake, as you mentioned, Joe Kennedy, the father, was involved in Boologgin and he wanted them to go straight.
And he was a legitimate businessman up in the Northeast also.
But what they had done is they utilized, I think it was Jimmy Hoffa, the Teamsters, to strong arm a lot of people to get JFK elected.
And that was part of Joe's influence over with the mob of saying, you guys help me, and then we're going to watch out for you.
So it was a gentleman's agreement, a mob agreement, saying, we're not going after you guys, but y'all help us get in.
And that was going to basically get in.
And also part of that is that they say Nixon won the vote, and they fixed it for Kennedy.
They did.
Yeah, they did in Chicago.
So I guess that's what I'm getting at.
It's like, we've all looked at this JFK assassination.
It's like the biggest conspiracy theory and scandal in American history.
But the more you look at it now, especially after seeing Biden and the Pelosi family, now that we have this modern way to view it, it really just looks like mafia kickbacks, territory wars.
And the mafia, like Kennedy, Joe Kennedy, was like, fuck it.
Let's not just have these street fights.
Let's get an American government.
Let's go straight.
Let's get in the houses of power.
And we could really run this mafia shit.
And that's the deep state, right?
That's the Democrat party right there is what that is.
I think so, too.
That's why I'm fascinated by this.
And then Joe Kennedy had a stroke and didn't get to pass along to his sons.
Bobby Kinney became AG. He didn't get passed along of, guys, we can't go after them.
So as AG... Bobby Kinney, he starts going after organized crime.
He starts hammering the mob, and so they're not happy with it.
Jack Ruby, that was kind of a little, you know, minor part of it, he was obviously slightly involved.
He was dying of cancer, from what I understand, so he was already going out anyways, and it was easy for him to jump in and fill that void, that role.
And they may have had a role in the shooter on the grassy knoll as well.
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I've heard mixed reviews on whether or not he was the actual shooter up there, but if he was, you know, that's somebody that was sent down from the mob as well.
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But then you've got D.H. Byrd.
I think D.H. Byrd owned the book repository and perhaps another building.
And he had huge contracts, was super tight with LBJ. You've got that going.
Then you've got the Texas Mafia that Jake you were referring to a while ago.
And they have huge contracts over with Vietnam and everything.
And Kennedy's looking at finding Vietnam down.
There's talks about perhaps de-escalating some of the nuclear weapons.
So there were so many people.
Going up against them, they were looking at unwinding the Federal Reserve.
And if you've taken the time to look into that, I didn't believe it the first time I heard it, maybe 15, 20 years ago, I had to start looking into it.
That's a real problem.
And they're making a lot of money.
And I don't think they worry too much about who they kill to keep that multi-trillion dollar a year racket going.
Honestly, I hate talking about all this because I wonder about my fate.
But I think now's the time for full release and the truth still sets you free.
Well, I think this is the time where God's really stepping in.
He's making things happen.
He's making himself visible to people with the eye to see him and his marvelous works in this world and how he still has hope for America and he's not going to let it go down the way that these...
People want it to because the American people are not going to let that happen.
That's why they elected Trump.
I think it's apparent.
But we need to know how we got in this mess.
And the more we know and the more everybody knows, the less easy it's going to be for them to remove people who want to talk about the truth.
You know, when they can control the truth, people who speak it can disappear easily.
But when everybody's talking, people don't disappear so easily, you know?
Yeah, exactly.
And this is a thing where you mentioned a couple of times, you're like, everybody needs to know.
This transcends party, red, blue, race.
This transcends all of that.
And it is hopefully for everybody.
It's not a...
They were Democrat back then.
Kennedys were all that.
It's not a Democrat thing.
Trump's conservative.
It's not a Republican conservative thing.
This is something everybody needs to know and understand in order to formulate good decisions because they have pulled the wool over the American public's eyes for a very long time, and they've used amazingly sophisticated tactics to do it.
The whole term conspiracy.
From my understanding, that really was coined over the assassination to make people think that they're crazy or conspiracy theorists if they believed in anything other than what the Warren Commission put out.
Right.
Everybody has proven that that was a whole farce.
But they've tried to make you think you're crazy if you truly see the truth.
And so I'm hoping that the American public does wake up to start to see reality.
Because they've been taken advantage of.
We all have.
We've got to get past our emotion and being tied to a particular party or a particular person based on how we feel.
We've got to look at facts.
Yes, we do.
We're going to save this country.
That's right.
Facts.
And facts alone.
Not beliefs that can strengthen us to look for facts, but facts.
Provable facts.
Money.
Bottom lines.
Who gets it?
That's what we need.
None of this other stuff.
I mean, that makes us a part of who we are, but what matters is the bottom line.
Where did the money go?
What was done with it?
If we're going to save our country.
And, you know, not the color of the person who did it either.
Not, you know, just the facts, ma'am.
Where's our money?
What'd you do with it?
Who stole it?
How do we get it back?
That money is the people's.
The people paid the taxes with their blood and sweat, sent their kids to die for that government.
And that's the government we want, and that's the government we deserve.
And that's the government that we own.
And we're going to get it back because we're the people that are going to do the work.
We're not going to elect people and then go, oh, yeah, we got a so-and-so in there that looks like me, so we're fine.
I'm shitted like that no more.
I love it.
Right?
It's sickening.
It's demonic.
Just demonic, I think.
But what is your...
So, Jake, are we going to...
Let's talk about the...
Yeah, leading to the tip.
Okay, so Shane's grandpa, Johnson, we get it all, blah, blah, blah.
So in 1971-72, your grandpa gets out of prison, right?
Right.
He goes home and he meets with...
Because he did get set up.
He did get hung out to dry for Lyndon and everybody else who was involved with the contracts and the cotton and what have you.
He got hung out to dry because he had Saul in his name and they thought he was a Jew and they hate the Jews.
So he gets out and he goes to...
Let's set up the tape now.
So this, I just want to say something.
She didn't mention this on Alex Jones, but this is 71-72.
So it was the House Select Committee.
Already organizing in those 17 deaths he refers to, was that the material witnesses in the House Select Committee or those 17 other people that Johnson allegedly killed?
Or do you not know?
These are folks that are just...
Honestly, I need to take the time to research all of them and try and figure out who.
But they're referring to folks that were killed that were just associated with this whole investigation.
The cotton allotment scheme, the fertilizers, this trial, and then this kind of circuit of affiliation with LBJ. That's not like the whole kill list.
You know, other presidential families have a kill list of 52, 58 people now.
I think there's a much longer kill list, but this is just this specific area.
Right, because the House Select Committee, which investigated the Kennedy assassination, for those of you who don't know, was sometime in the 70s.
And they had material witnesses that were going to talk about the CIA involvement.
They all died mysteriously as well.
That was another, I think, 14 or 15. But anyway, so your grandfather knows what's going on.
And to protect himself, insurance thing, he records a conversation that he has.
This is the tape you released.
And who is it with?
Yeah, set that up and then we'll play it.
And so this is with Cliff Carter, Clifton Carter.
Look him up.
He was a bag man, and bag man meant basically they'd go get money, collect money, potentially fundraise, but really kind of whoever needs to pay up, they go get money.
And LBJ had a few of them, but Cliff was one of his.
Cliff had been with him from early on in Texas, in the Texas Senate.
All the way up to D.C., you can go online and listen to Oval Office tapes of LBJ talking with Cliff.
Cliff was the executive director at one point of the DNC. And you can see through his career, he's trying to get out of all this.
He'd gotten drug into it.
And basically, the other thing that I learned about LBJ is he would say things in front of you.
He'd do things in front of you and he'd drag you into things to make you a co-conspirator with him.
So basically, you're part of it and you don't have deniability, plausible deniability that you didn't know about this coming assassination or you didn't know about this.
It's like, you're part of it.
So he was wise about that.
But they went out, it was supposedly outside of Abilene, I think in Hamby, Texas.
They went to a small little house.
And my uncle, he'd married into my family.
He married my Aunt Jan.
And his name was Daryl Brott.
He went with them.
And apparently they went out there.
Cliff and my granddad, Billy Saul, talked.
We always called him Saul.
So Saul and Cliff were talking.
And they recorded it.
And Cliff left.
He died not long after that.
I've heard in some cases it was very shortly after that.
But you can hear him on the tape.
He says, Cliff, I'm sorry to see you so downtrodden.
And so to me, that means Cliff was, he didn't sound downtrodden, but something was wrong with him at the time, maybe already, or maybe he was just upset.
And he was talking about how LBJ's, you know, health and he wasn't, LBJ wasn't doing good.
And LBJ obviously died not long after this in 1973. I presume natural causes, but a lot of those folks, whether it was Ed Clark, another name, or Jadger Hoover, they all kind of died in this 1972-73 era.
So Cliff didn't know he was being recorded, obviously, right?
Or you didn't know?
I wish I knew.
I don't.
To me, it seems like he would have known.
Yeah, it seems like he would have known.
Yeah, I mean, we'll let the people decide for themselves, but he does say on the tape, you know, he implicates very directly Johnson to the assassination.
It's like, that's not something you would say in a passing conversation, in my feeling.
Like, you probably know that he had to put it on the tape, but that's just me speculating.
Do you want to hear it?
I mean, do you want to hear it live right now?
Because I'm going to edit it in.
Yeah!
Oh, okay.
All right.
Well, there you go.
Let me get it played.
Can you hear it?
It's sure good to see you.
How's life treating you today?
Well, Sal, it's been a pretty touch-and-go situation.
Lyndon and I have had quite a few unpleasant words here lately over the deal that he hired Mike Wallace to assassinate the president.
It's been hectic in every way, but we've lived through it this far.
I guess we'll continue to do so.
Linden should have never issued that order to Mike but we've had our differences and I'm a true blue to Linden as I've always been and tried to carry out every order that he's ever given me but this is one I'll probably never be able to forget and the times that we've had in Texas and The embarrassment that
Lyndon had gotten from Kennedy, I guess there wasn't anything else to do but what he did.
Well, you know, Lyndon could have really hit me if he would.
Well, Lyndon's the kind of person that doesn't want to help anyone.
He's, you know, he's all for Lyndon and that's the way he's pretty much always been.
Well, they had me backed up on that Henry Marshall.
Killing and they just kind of blackmail me to keep my mouth shut.
If I hadn't had a bunch of tapes that I played after I got killed, you know, 17 got killed in this situation very mysteriously.
And I've done a lot of time and I've lost a lot of money and hurt my family a whole lot.
And it's really got me disgusted.
With Lyndon in one way, in one way I feel real sorry for him.
But I really feel like that in Lyndon's heart he felt like that he was doing the right thing.
He felt like that he was the savior, the common man.
I feel like in his heart he wanted to help people that have not.
But I don't believe that anything, my church background would have never let me sanction all the killings that he has done.
What do you think about it, Cliff?
Cliff, do you really believe that it could have been handled anyway without killing all these people and got rid of the candidates?
Do you think he won the election against them?
Well, I don't really believe so.
You know, he tried desperately to do just that, and there didn't seem to be any other way.
I know that he regrets a lot of things that he has done, but still, it's been a battle from day one.
Well, Darrell, I sure do appreciate all the things that you've done for Boris, and I appreciate it.
Oh, you bet.
Anytime.
For a longtime friend.
I'm just sorry that I've embarrassed all my friends and put all my friends through this.
Oh, you didn't embarrass me.
And what I was really afraid of, my brother, Bob, that got killed.
Our plane was down at Bryan the day that Mike Wallace killed Henry Marshall.
I was afraid it was going to tie him into the thing, and we couldn't afford to.
In fact, Pam started to write a book.
She really got scared when she got into the thing.
It was just too scary a deal.
But anyhow, this too will pass.
Well, it's been a long, long old journey.
What do you think about F.O. Bankston?
Well, W.O.'s a great leader, and he's been probably one of the best things that ever happened in Dallas, Texas.
Of course, he's got a lot of real good friends.
And Linden's been one of his true buddies for many, many years.
Anything that he just has to have, W.O. will see that, you know, it's done.
Well, I just can't believe that F.O. Bankston has the power over the police department that he has.
You know, he buys, every year, the sheriff buys him a brand new car, Bill Decker, and I just don't see how politically that he can get with it.
But nobody will ever understand, and really in the early years, I thought that Linden really had a mission from a higher power, who I choose to call God.
To carry out a lot of things for the common people.
And I really believe in his heart that he thought that he was destined to rule people.
How do you size up Lyndon Cliff after all these years of horror?
Well, actually, Lyndon's just been kind of going downhill health-wise and politically-wise.
He's just wore out.
And, uh, I feel like he's come to his end of his rope.
But, uh, all these things that's been eating on him for all these years have just now taken its course.
And I feel like Lyndon's done a lot of good things in his life, and he's done a lot of bad things.
Well, Cliff, I hate to see you so downtrodden and so discouraged.
And I just hope that you can get a hold of yourself and not be so tore up.
But anyhow, let's go in the house and let's have a cup of coffee and something to eat.
Okay?
Sounds good to me.
Okay.
Wow.
Wow.
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But, you know, the stock market's looking good right now, but there's some telltale signs that a lot of us are worried.
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It does explain a lot about Lyndon Johnson.
It does explain about, you know, the things that he put in play.
A lot of them were so good, you know.
He must have been, like, eaten up with guilt and stuff.
And then he did resign.
He only served one term, right?
Yeah.
I don't think he went back in for another term.
I remember the night on TV that he resigned.
Everybody was pretty...
Nobody could believe it.
But he got us into a...
Well, a lot of people say it's a lot...
I've heard other people say other reasons.
You know, they're crazy all the time.
A lot of crazy things.
Saying Israel did it.
A lot of these people out there saying George Bush did it on and on.
So when we get the D-class, we'll see.
We'll see.
Hopefully.
Which of it is true, but I tend to go with what you're saying.
I would bet on it.
This is the truth.
Yeah, and my suspicion is, I mean, President, to my understanding, you know, in fact, Jake, I mentioned on Alex's show that, you know, I'd let probably 40, maybe 50 people listen to it.
And I'd tell them, I'll let you hear it.
I want you to hear it, but please don't share it because supposedly anybody finds out you could get killed.
And I can't believe I trusted so many people, but nobody shared it.
Blasted it out on social media, tried to make fame out of it, and you were one of the people that I was talking about that I shared that with.
I keep a secret.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
But there's another family that's kept secrets, and they talk about Mac Wallace.
So Mac Wallace was the hit man and they've reached out to me and said, Shane, this whole tape aligns with these stories that we've held as a family.
And they're not ready to come out and talk.
They basically said, let's give it a few weeks or a month.
And if you're still alive, they might be willing to go on.
So it's kind of fascinating what's happening with that.
I've had another call from a gentleman that has a tape that could end up being released.
But my suspicion with Trump is that he's got You know, he had access to all that when he was president the first time.
He's seen it.
He knows what's in there.
And my understanding was, you know, I let him hear this tape to try and warn him that they're going to try and kill him.
And I didn't get anything back saying it was wrong or off.
So that's kind of interesting.
Well, this tape is authenticated, if anyone...
I can already hear the comments from people listening to the show.
You are who you say you are.
That is your grandfather's tape has been ran through and authenticated, if anybody should ask that.
It is real, verifiable.
Just want to get that out there.
Yeah.
And to that, so I didn't spend a lot of time, but I read some of the comments and one of them is it's AI generated.
And first of all, I can tell you, it's on a tiny mini cassette tape.
Yeah.
I'm not bringing that tape out to get it validated for another little while.
It's at a place wherever people, to where if something does happen to me, that thing will still survive because I think it's that important.
It is.
As time goes by, we'll bring it out and we'll validate that.
I've got all the experts that each one of them want to be the one that gets to jump in and help validate it.
So we may do it publicly at some point in time.
Play the tape on a mini cassette recorder.
Because AI didn't exist back then.
I got the tape in probably 2015, and basically Daryl Bright was talking to his daughter Star Bright, my cousin, and my brother Clay went and picked up the tape, brought it over to me, and at the time I had a walk-in safe, and a safe inside the safe, and then I bought another safe to put inside that safe, and I put these tapes in it.
And so now it's kind of stored in a similar fashion.
Anyways, I'm rambling, sorry.
Not sure where I'm going with that, Roseanne.
Well, we're going to be sending you, I'm going to send you some prayers and you're going to, you know, we're all going to be real protected because it's just the time for that and it's going to be real good.
And the evil, it's their end, you know.
I really think it's that time in the world.
They're done.
They know they're done.
They might try to pull some crap.
But they're unraveling it in real time at warp speed.
It is.
They're running for the hills and they're scrambling, probably trying to figure out what they're going to do about it.
I thought the election was going to go a lot differently than it did.
And obviously, I think y'all were up there.
I was up there at the inauguration.
So we're fighting them off so far.
Yeah, well, I just want to say that...
I don't know why it seemed like they got something up their sleeve, but, you know, a lot of people praying does something above...
It does something above this whole world that they can't control or do anything about, you know?
It really does.
It's great to see it.
And people know in the truth, too.
People know in the truth that this government, which everybody already knows, but, you know, it's...
We've been corrupt for a really long time.
When you let people run to enrich themselves, that's what you're going to get.
Right.
When you subvert the Constitution that's supposed to be for about the communities of the Republic and make it just about the people who get elected, that's what you're going to get.
But, you know, we're going to go back to source and live what we thought.
Was the right thing, but we're going to do it this time for real.
You speak the truth about the corruption, and every great democracy, every great country, that's their downfall, is absolute power corrupts absolutely, and we've had that.
We've had people take power that wasn't granted to them, wasn't voted in, and that's where To the American public, even those that are going to doubt it and say it's AI or made up, and I'm telling you, I don't have the technical capability to do it or the desire to put myself out there as a crazy person and damage my reputation as a business guy or deacon in my church.
Just entertain yourself a little bit.
Or perhaps naive or innocent enough to think that our government is 100% straight arrow.
Just think about if this is real and they covered this up for this long, and what else is there?
What else is there?
And that's how you get to figuring out the truth.
That's the little breaking point.
You may get mad or, you know, in disbelief, go through the whole guilt, anger, whatever cycle, but You've got to get through it to realize what's happened in our country.
Absolutely.
And so many seeds were sown in the assassination of JFK. So many seeds planted.
So many seeds sown by the same people that are still in power.
They've never been moved.
And their offices haven't been changed or nothing else.
So you think about the things that have grown out of that.
One of them being Gerald Ford.
I think he was the head of that Warren Commission.
And he was the first and only to this point unelected vice president and president.
And, you know, that was...
Well, and Biden.
Well, I mean, at that time, they didn't even have to fuss with any election to get him in.
And then what he brought, as, you know, the Republican Party is corrupt, too.
And what he brought was that whole education through Senator Robert S. Byrd, that whole education that's ruined two generations now of American children's ability to think.
So, you know, all these seeds were planted, and this group that doesn't want the best for American children, or any children, or people, or living thing on Earth, they've been working at this for a long, long time.
And you could just go back to the Kennedy assassination and see how things changed for the people.
Some good, some bad.
Johnson, you know, he really put in a lot of civil rights legislation that, you know, I still consider to be good, you know, with changing, you know, all the ways they barred black sovereignty and the ability to vote in fair elections, which they're still doing, you know, for all of us now.
Not just one specific color, but the whole damn country.
Anyway, well, it's going to start a lot of really good conversations, I hope.
And, you know, I would like to have more of those conversations with you.
And thank you so much for coming on and being on our show today.
And we just love you.
We love your wife.
And we love knowing people.
Like you.
You're very brave.
And, you know, it was just the time.
I like how you give the credit to God for saying you've got to get out there and do it.
That's how I feel, too.
You've got to do it when you get that wake-up message.
And so you did.
And, you know.
God bless you that you did what you were told to do.
And may it be a blessing to everyone who hears it.
May it wake them up a little bit more as to seeing they have to take more and more responsibility for themselves, their children, their community, their families.
And the more they take for themselves and that, the more they're going to take away from the monsters who gobbled it all up and shouldn't have none of it.
You're certainly welcome.
And just right back at you, you know, you've been a patriot and somebody that's been telling the truth when it was not popular for a long time.
And you've received a lot of repercussions from that.
You've fought through it.
And, you know, now you're doing well and on top.
And we're in the middle of a fight of, I truly believe, good versus evil.
I mean, if we believe in God, we believe in Satan.
We're in the middle of the fight and you're on the front lines of it.
And y'all are kind of dragging me into it, I guess, as well.
Either way, thank you for what you said.
We have to drag all the people, you know, like it says right there in the Bible in these days, any fence sitter is, you know, someone who's sitting on the fence and not choosing good is going to be counted with the evil.
If you're not coming with the good, you're helping.
The evil.
So everybody has to do it now because we have to stop this.
It's just stupid and ridiculous and we're not stupid and ridiculous.
We want to live and enjoy life.
Yeah, we do that.
I think God wants that.
He doesn't want his children suffering and struggling unhappy.
We all want good things for our children.
You want good things for Jake.
Jake wants good things for his youngsters.
So I think it's about to get good.
If we stick together as a team and more people will stand up, I mean, there's so many people, so much money sitting there that have been just cowed down under DEI initiatives and their corporations making them do things, but they don't have a choice because they need the money.
People have got to start standing up for what's right, and that's what's going to make a difference.
People are doing that.
People are.
But you know, it's funny when corporations start telling everybody, Talking about democracy, that makes me laugh because they're the last democratic thing in the world, a corporation, where you can be fired for any reason and they don't have to give you that reason at any time.
They're nothing having to do with any kind of freedom.
So they should just take themselves out of that convo, I think.
They're irrelevant to it.
Well, can I say something real quick?
I love what you said, Ma, about so many seeds were sown with this assassination.
This has been something I've been fascinated with my entire life.
But what's really fascinating now that this stuff's finally coming out and the D-class is coming in your tape, Shane, like it's pretty much painted a clear picture of what a lot of us already kind of thought or not.
But the point is...
If the government can do that, if the CIA could do that, Eisenhower warned about these people before Kennedy even assumed office, about the military-industrial complex.
We see the storyline.
Here we are in 2025 now.
We've been through COVID. We've been through the DOJ against Trump.
What they did then, they are still doing now.
And a lot of people are waking up to that.
And this will help, even though it was 60 years ago or whatnot.
That's why it's so important.
The blueprint is there.
And the cover-ups.
And the disinfo.
And the way that they went for the media.
The way they attacked us.
They called us conspiracy theories.
They do that now to us.
It's the same thing.
You know what?
It also was, if you think about it, he was assassinated on television.
And the guy who assassinated him was assassinated on television.
And, you know, you think about, hey, was...
Were they covering every place that Kennedy went to visit?
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Were they covering every place Kennedy went to visit where he let the top down?
No.
I mean, you know, it was a mass mind control event, too.
Mass trauma.
Mass trauma, mass mind control.
Trump and Butler, that was the first time CNN ever aired a Trump rally and he was shot ahead.
I mean, like I said, that plan they do now, they do not.
When they do a trauma on mass media, they immediately come into program.
The two go together.
Mass trauma, mass mind control.
The two things happen together.
So they do something and then They do it with repeated message.
So after we've had this horror in the, you know, back east with the Black Hawk and the plane, watch for the repeated message on media now because that was a trauma.
Unexplained trauma where what?
The Black Hawk went after a domestic flight?
What?
And now they're going to...
Mass mind control.
They're going to mass program us to get us to see it not as it happened, but what it means symbolically in their alternate universe of symbology that has nothing to do with you, me, life, or death, or our money.
Right.
As y'all were going through, I had two different thoughts.
One was in regards to kind of controlling the narrative.
And with Trump.
And then the second thing was in regards to what you were saying, Jake, as far as where this came from and where it stemmed from.
And if we have time or if y'all are okay with that, I'd like to speak to both of them.
But the first one that you're talking about is, you know, going back to the 60s.
And I think it really goes way back to the founding of the Federal Reserve and then some other stuff in the 40s.
There's only two things God's told me about it.
One, when it was time and that the truth shall set us free, really.
Not you, but us, like as a country.
And then the other thing was we have to pull this from the roots.
So everybody's been fighting really hard, even the last decade, two decades, trying to attack at different angles and individual politicians and whatnot.
We're not going to clean it up.
Unless we go back to where it came from and pull that out.
So Kash Patel, a lot of these folks, they're going to have their hands full trying to deal with unraveling that level of power.
We've got to fight because if they've had that much power already, they're not going to want to let go of it.
People do not let go of their greed, money machines and their power easily.
So 100% with you.
Part of why I believe it's so important.
But then on the Trump attempt, that first assassination, I'd actually met with Mike Waltz and basically shared, here was the playbook of what they did on Kennedy.
I was like, here's what we need to look at and see if this actually occurred on the Trump deal.
And I think there's a lot more to be shown on it.
But Mike was the only one out of that entire committee that was investigating it that said, no, I don't think this is what happened.
He didn't even go to Butler with him.
I haven't got to talk to him since.
I'm not connected with him.
I don't know him, but I respect him because he stood up when nobody else would.
And they followed the footprint.
And I've kind of mapped it out of, you know, find a patsy, find somebody who won't speak, make sure you kill them, on and on and on.
If you compare the similarities, it's eerie.
That's what I'm saying.
In every level.
And that's why it's so important.
Because that's why history...
What is it?
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
You might actually get to teach us history with these tapes.
And that'll save all of us.
Well, it is history because it's like the first time we get to hear the voices.
That's cool.
Very cool.
If it's not AI, that is, of course.
Yeah, they had AI back there 60 years ago.
But on those old tapes, yeah.
Protect that tape, man.
Well, a lot to think about, a lot to talk about.
A lot to, a real lot to think about.
You might want to watch this episode a couple times.
I know I will.
Absolutely.
But thank you so much for being on here.
We want you to come back and we'll get into even more things because if you're listening to God tell you what to do, then let's have a convo on that because...
That about drives me out of my mind that how many people are not doing that.
So let's talk about that next time.
Excellent.
Let's do it.
Thank you.
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