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Sept. 6, 2024 - The Roseanne Barr Podcast
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Are We Racist? with Matt Walsh | The Roseanne Barr Podcast #64
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Welcome to the Roseanne Barr Podcast. Well, we've got a b-b-b-b-b-b-b-banger of a show today.
You know, I said I only like to talk to creative geniuses, and I've got one today, and he's a good one.
Matt Walsh.
Hi, Matt.
Hi, great to be here.
Thanks for having me.
Thanks for coming.
Yeah.
As I told you, I asked if you were Irish.
Yeah, you said I look like a leprechaun is what you said.
You look like a little leprechaun today in your plaid shirt with your work boots.
It's adorable.
It's probably the first time I've been called adorable, but I'll take it.
That's a new one for me.
I'll take it, though.
I hope it's not offensive, but I love the Irish.
My kids, well, some of my kids are half Irish, you know.
Well, no, it's not offensive because the Irish are one of those groups that you're allowed to... We're not a very sensitive bunch, so, you know, you can have the fighting Irish, Lucky charms, all that.
We don't get too upset about it.
The black Irish?
Right.
It's fine.
It's all good.
The Irish are a resilient sort with a hopeful view of the world, I think, for the most part.
I've always enjoyed the Irish.
Yeah.
I don't know about the hopeful view, Lisa.
I don't know if that applies to me quite as much.
Do you have a hopeful view?
I mean, ultimately, as a Christian, you have a hopeful view, because we've read the last page of the book, so we know how it all ends.
But in the interim, if you were to ask me, do I have a hopeful view for the next billion years, I would say yes.
Hopeful view for the next five years, maybe not quite as much, though, unfortunately.
Do you think, because it's written in a book, so that implies that you're a religious person, a believer.
Well, so am I. But I think that with repentance and a change in the heart, things can change also.
And I don't think God put anything completely in stone if people change and repent.
I think the world could change too.
Do you think so?
Yeah, no, I think so.
I mean, if I didn't think that things could change for the better, then what's the point of anything that we're doing?
Yeah.
I mean, what's the point of talking about any of this?
So I think things can change for the better, but I think that ultimate cultural changes will take... It's a long-term game.
It takes generations.
It took us generations to get to the point where we're at right now.
Yeah, it did.
So I think we have to be realistic and say that to get out of it, to get to a place where we live in a culture that is at least basically sane will probably... And kind.
Kind, sane, empathetic, recognizing the dignity and humanity of all humans.
Of one to another.
Right.
I think that'll take generations to achieve.
Not if the light goes on real fast.
It's like if you're in total darkness and somebody just comes in and flips on the light switch, you could change in the blink of an eye.
Absolutely.
But on a collective level, That could happen, but there have been moments that we've experienced over the last couple of years, even the last couple of months, that you would hope would be one of those light switch moments collectively, and it hasn't quite worked out that way.
Well, do you see your film as having any part in being hopefully a light switch going on for people?
Your new film?
Yeah.
Am I racist?
I certainly hope so.
I think it's You know, it's a movie that's coming out in theaters, and one of the reasons we're putting it out in theaters is because we want to be able to access a wide cross-section of the country, not just people who are already bought into the conservative message.
You know what I say, let's not use the word conservative anymore.
Let's say we are radical constitutionalists.
I think constitutionalist works.
I often just say these days, sane.
Yeah, common sense and sanity kind of work.
Sane kind of works for what we're talking about.
Yeah.
Especially when we're talking about things like defending the notion that, for example, men can't have babies.
Yeah.
I don't even consider that conservative.
That's just basically sane.
You don't have to be a political conservative to understand that reality, biological reality.
But it's such a war, isn't it?
I've always wanted to talk to you about this.
You always win every argument, and that's commendable.
You've got a large library of references that you, though looking adorable, you pull out a lot of references that really are great.
I would like to think I win every argument.
I don't know if my wife would agree, but I try anyway.
Try to win them.
But also it's kind of... How hard is it, though?
Maybe it's not that hard.
Well, it depends on what you're arguing about.
And that's one of the advantages that we have if we're arguing about something, for example, as I just said about the biological nature of... If you're arguing about basic biology and you're arguing against someone who denies it, well, you've already kind of won the argument before it starts, right?
You would think so.
Yeah.
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you know so much reminds me of
the Inquisition The Inquisition times when the, you know, it was a very political time, but they didn't want any dissenters and they only wanted one kind of thinking, and so you had to, I'm a Jew, you know, and so we had, they would put
Women or whoever they, you know, whatever, for whatever reason.
And then you had to go through a gauntlet of questions, and it reminds me of that.
Because all of those people who are basically science deniers, I mean, they are science deniers, because if you deny biology, you're denying science.
Sure, yeah.
So they're up there to be inquisitors and to try to find out where they can get you.
And, you know, you can't go off the... You know, it's Marxism 101.
All of this stuff was done by the KGB.
This is how they overthrow governments.
It's how they culturally, you know, get in and infiltrate.
China too.
And China too.
Well... Yeah, and part of that...
Arguing nonsense that they will never accept fact.
So they just love the argument, just like lefties love blood and war and no end to it.
They just love agitation, hate, Conflict and punishment of people who aren't like them, which was so much like the Inquisition of the self-righteous that would say, well, what do you mean when you say you believe in God?
Which God is that?
You know, just to beat people down.
Yeah, I think that the goals on the left with a lot of these topics, in particular gender, but really all of them, they're, Their tactic is to obfuscate.
They're not actually trying to win the argument.
They're not trying to present a point of view and get you to accept it.
They're not interested in that.
It's more just try to make the subject seem a lot more complicated than it is so that you give up and become confused.
So you say if you see a video of me winning an argument, it's really just insisting on like, this is what we're talking about.
No, I'm not going to let you.
I know you want to bring us off into the weeds.
We're going to stay here on the path.
This is the discussion.
I'm not going to follow you on some journey into nonsense.
But that's what they try to do.
They just try to make everything seem a lot more complicated than it is.
They do the same thing on race.
There's a version of this movie we just made.
It's called Am I Racist?
But there's a version of it where we could have called it What Is Racism?
Because the kind of race hustlers, part of their game is that they accuse everyone, at least every white person, of being racist.
But then if you ask them, well, what does it mean to be racist?
What do you mean I'm racist?
I don't hate people of other races.
And they don't want to answer that question.
They won't give you an actual definition of what they even mean by the word racism.
Well, they usually say the word systematic.
Systemic.
Right.
Systemic.
I'm sorry.
They used to say systematic, but now they say systemic.
Yeah.
And they'll say, what is the formula they use?
Power plus prejudice equals racism or something like that, which is just a way to absolve every other race of racism while Laying it all at the feet of white people, which is absurd, because anyone's capable of being racist, obviously.
And also, by the way, white people aren't the only one who have power anymore in this society.
It's been that way for a long time now.
But that's what they really think.
They really think that racism is something that... Well, they think some hate is justified.
Right.
It's all about hate.
They accept hate.
They are hateful.
And they just have different words for it, but they are separating people by hate.
Yeah, and that's- And it always works.
It just pisses me off so bad.
Power always uses the same device to divide and conquer, and it always works.
Yeah.
And I think that, I think about, I think it was a, there's a Morgan Freeman, the video of Morgan Freeman on a 60 Minutes interview from like 20, 25 years ago.
Yeah, and he's asked about, he's asked about Black History Month, and he says he doesn't like it because black history is American history.
And then he said, what do we do about racism?
And he said, stop talking about it.
And I don't know if he would give the same answer today if he was asked.
I hope that he would.
But I actually think that it is kind of the answer.
There's no final answer to racism.
There will always be racist people or tribalistic species.
I think the hope of America in electing Obama Most white people voted for him.
I think the hope of America was that would be the end to racism in this country.
And instead it had the opposite effect.
It was like, oh good, now we can really, you know, we really have a fulcrum to stand on.
And it's all a heist, isn't it?
It's all a grift and a heist.
And what makes me so mad is that they always use the term race when they really mean class.
They are, the people who are at the top of this lefty grift are all very wealthy and raking in the dough from all the misery of the people they're raising money to, you know, in the name of that don't get a dime.
They just keep squashing them down.
Yeah.
And it's the most racist thing I've ever seen, which is why I left the left.
I ran for president in 2012 as a socialist, as the representative of the black caucus of the Green Party.
And the Peace and Freedom Party.
And Peace and Freedom Party.
And when I saw the racism of the left, I had to leave.
Because it's a grift.
It's all a grift and it never, ever gets to the people on the ground.
Yeah, I think, and that's the difference.
You have the people that are pushing this stuff, and I don't know how much of it they really believe, but a lot of the people on the ground that are buying into it, they really do believe it.
You know, that's something even in the film, you see some of these, you know, we go to the race to dinner, for example, or we go to a support group for white people sitting around like it's an AA meeting, talking about their white grief or whatever.
The people leading those groups are the grifters, and I think that they know what they're doing, and they're doing it very intentionally and very deliberately because it's money, it's power, it's influence for them.
Yeah.
But the people that are sitting around in the group, there's a little bit of virtue signaling going on, I think.
But at their core, I think they really believe this stuff, and they carry a lot of guilt and shame, and they're looking for a way to atone for it, and they're turning to these grifters.
As their way of dealing with it.
It's like this misplaced guilt that a lot of these people have.
Well, and there is an organization in the whole United States that would actually funnel money to help anybody that's in need of help.
I mean, there's just nothing.
That's all been, you know, dismantled.
2008 was the biggest transfer of wealth in human history.
Well, until COVID, and then COVID lost.
But I mean, when Obama got in, all the money from the bottom went to the top for the first time in a revolution, because it usually goes the other way, or they want it to.
But we're all under some heavy-duty mind control From KGB and MKUltra.
It's all through the media.
So I saw your movie and I thought, he is doing this because he wants to smash mind control.
You are putting out a prayer that you can do something for people to step out of the tiny box they've been farmed in and do some thinking, aren't you?
Yeah, that's a good way of putting it.
And I think that Most of what I do, because I have a podcast every day that I do, and I'm just looking directly at the camera and giving my opinions about things in a really direct way.
I think that there's some value in that.
I certainly hope there is.
It's what I do every day.
But there are a lot of people you just can't reach that way because they're not going to watch somebody like me lecturing for an hour.
If you're just saying, well, here are my opinions.
Here's why I'm right.
I think there's a large portion of the audience that just isn't going to listen.
You have no chance of Reaching them because they're not going to listen.
Well, that's why you are doing the right thing by making a funny movie.
Right, exactly.
Because that's really the way to reach people is doing something funny that, you know, just happens to be exposing a grift.
And that's something that the left has typically been very good at.
Now, in recent years, they haven't been so good at it because they put the, you know, it's interesting in the entertainment world anyway, the left is now making kind of the mistake that Christian films have made for a long time where they're putting the message before the story.
So it's nothing but one long homily and people just aren't that interested.
Excellent point.
Yeah, that's a great point.
But I think it creates an opportunity for someone to come in and make entertainment that's actually entertaining, but also has the message.
And that's one thing that our director on this film, Ann What is Woman, Justin Fouke, is a great director.
I'm lucky that I have someone like him because he's always, for both of the films, he's the one who's always reminding me that this is a movie, it's not a podcast.
I always want to turn to the camera and start giving my opinion, but that's not what this is about.
We actually are telling a story, and the story really matters.
We have to put that first.
Were these people real that are in this movie?
They're all real.
Yeah.
Everyone's real.
No actors, except for me, but I'm not even an actor.
Those are real?
Yeah, they're 100% real.
Things.
I mean, you can look these people up and, you know, if you want to go to your own white grief support group, you can go and, or if you want to go to a race to dinner, I think they're still doing those.
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Everybody at that race to dinner was white.
There was all white women except one woman.
That's the only people allowed.
Right.
Do they have a quota there for their race consciousness raising race parties?
Yeah, it's for white women.
It's led by Saira Rao and Regina Jackson are the two, the Indian woman and the black woman leading it.
Okay.
But only white women are allowed to attend.
I get it because they're the ones that have to learn something.
I get it.
And they do have to be women.
That's one of the reasons why I ended up having to show up as a Server, because actually I wanted to attend the dinner and sit at the table and be one of the- They wouldn't let you.
They wouldn't.
We called them up and they said that- No white men?
Yeah.
Well, they said you have to be a woman, which is interesting because it's like- Because what is a woman?
Right.
You should have just wore a dress.
And I think we even asked, or our producers did, Well, what about a trans woman?
Because we thought maybe that was one way around this.
Yeah.
They didn't want to say, no, it has to be a real woman.
That's what they meant.
They couldn't say it.
So I think they said the way of putting it was, if I remember correctly, it was like- No beards?
Yeah.
Basically, they said, someone who's been socialized as a woman.
Oh, that's a good way of putting it.
Wow.
Let's unpack that.
That's amazing.
So that's every drag queen.
Well, have they been socialized?
It doesn't mean anything.
You could have said you were socialized as a woman still, I suppose.
It would be funny, because the thing is, if I come in and say, well, I'm a trans woman, I would not have, like, dressed in drag.
I would have just walked in exactly like this.
Yeah.
And sat down and said, I'm a woman.
That would have been amazing.
You could have said, I'm a trans woman lesbian.
And then they go, oh, okay, that makes sense.
I want to dress up like a man and put a beard on in drag and then go read the Bible to kids at school.
I mean, yeah, that's technically drag, I guess.
What do you think of that idea?
They probably won't let you do it.
Well, I think read the Bible without the beard.
Who needs the beard?
Well, they wouldn't let me unless I was dressed like a man.
Yeah, that's true.
See what I'm saying?
Trying to be subversive all the time.
Yeah.
But that's part of the thing is that they say that being a man or woman, there's no requirement.
You don't have to look a certain way.
So I should be able to identify as a woman and not change a single thing about myself and be accepted as such, but of course I wouldn't be.
Isn't it ironic that the same time that they passed all those laws about what is a woman and of course it's, what is it?
Somebody with a bonus hole is what it says on the insurance policies.
That's what a woman is, a birthing person with a bonus hole.
That's what they say.
I think that's a new one.
No, I know everything about it because I have.
The bonus hole is the vagina.
Yeah, well, I figured that.
Yeah, okay.
I'm just really sure.
I'm here to help.
See, that's self-descriptive.
That tells you everything you need to know there.
But at the same time they passed all those laws pro-trans, women lost protection under the law as a protected class.
Yeah, that's what Title IX was supposed to be all about, protecting women and protecting women's sports and so on.
And now it's being used, the Biden administration is trying to use it to do exactly the opposite of what it was intended to do.
But the Supreme Court froze him on that.
Did you know that?
Yeah.
They are crazy.
They're just trying to burn everything down, I think.
Do you?
When you say that, you mean like the left?
The Democrats.
Well, the left is the Democrats now.
Yeah, I think.
They are one and the same.
Yeah, I totally agree and I think that you're right that dismantling, they use the word dismantle, they use it as a positive, they talk about it all the time.
Dismantle the patriarchy, dismantle whiteness, dismantle whatever.
And that is very much what they want to do.
And the thing is, we often on the right will say things like, well, the left, they want to redefine.
They want to redefine woman.
They want to redefine all these terms.
They want to redefine marriage.
But really, they're not looking to redefine anything.
What they want to do is remove the definition of these words, but replace it with nothing.
So there is no new definition of woman.
Woman just doesn't mean anything anymore.
It's nothing.
So they want to reduce everything into nothingness.
Well, women soon, they take incremental steps, and soon women will be persona non grata second class citizens.
And they've wanted that.
I think all of this is a return to feudalism.
And, you know, that's what they want.
Yeah.
I think you're right.
And they've planned it for a really long time.
But I'm excited for you because I used to be a friend with Michael Moore for a long time.
was in a couple of his movies, and I did introduce him to my mother at a Hollywood Oscars party, and she told me the two people she was most impressed with meeting, Paris Hilton and Michael Moore.
That's an interesting array of people.
That's what she really thought.
I think you're on the Michael Moore track, and, you know, I was happy to see it.
And you're kind of on a Sacha Baron Cohen thing, too.
There's a little of that going on.
Yeah, well, I mean, both of those guys are obviously far left, but I mean, I take that.
I appreciate that.
I take it as a Norm's compliment.
I mean, Michael Moore is interesting because he was a great filmmaker, even though I didn't agree with the point in his documentaries.
He hasn't made a film in a while.
I don't know why, but he went on a tear of Three or four documentaries in a row that just artistically are some of the greatest documentaries ever made.
It's funny because his first one, Roger and Me, was so, right now what we would call conservative, where he was going after a corporation for sending all our jobs away.
He would be a Trumper now with that film, but then he got all pro-corporate.
They all did.
They just got all pro-corporate.
The corporate message uberolis.
They don't like anybody who isn't corporate, and they don't like any firm or idea or film that isn't corporate.
You've got to have a corporation, and ironically, corporations are the least democratic thing in the whole damn world.
Yeah.
You get fired for no reason.
Yeah.
Well, that's right.
You're right.
Because the left is used to be, you can think back to Occupy Wall Street.
Right.
Even that recently.
And that was when I don't know.
I can't remember.
That was in the 19s, wasn't it?
No.
I went.
Wasn't that like 2004, Obama?
Yeah.
I was around the crash, so it would have been like 06, 08, somewhere in there.
It wasn't all that long ago, but that was still, the left was considered the anti-corporate side of things.
Hey, you were there, Ma.
You were there.
Yeah, I was there.
But now all the corporations are far left.
They own all the corporations.
This is like the identity crisis they're having on the left right now.
They were the rebels for a long time, but then what happens when the rebel takes over?
Now you're not the rebel anymore.
Now you're in charge.
Now you are the establishment.
I think that they're having a lot of trouble with that.
What do we do now that we own everything?
We don't want to give up power.
Fuck the people.
We don't care what they want.
What's going to go our way?
They also don't really know what to do with the power.
It's like in The Dark Knight when Joker says, you know, I'm like a dog chasing a car.
I wouldn't know what to do.
If I caught it.
They're just making more corporate deals.
That's all they do.
They're not watching the border or schools or anything like that, but they're over there making deals.
Yeah.
Well, isn't DEI a corporate maneuver?
And when you think about it, for some reason they were involved in this whole thing, which your film touches on.
That is corporations that are behind that.
BlackRock's big behind that.
It's not a punk movement, DEI.
Yeah, right, exactly.
Which is weird.
Where did that come from besides, like, I know Jesse Jackson used to go around and, you know, force people, force companies to kowtow in their, you know, employee records, which I thought, well, you got to get some people hired, especially in Hollywood.
So I was glad he did it.
But then he took all, nobody got any money but him.
Yeah, funny how that works.
Yeah, this is like the far left racial ideology that's just been repackaged as this DEI thing.
But the moment that you find yourself saying the same things that an HR representative at some major pharmaceutical company would say.
Yeah.
It means that you're on the winning side culturally, but it also means that it's not cool.
It's not rebellious anymore.
It's not even hip.
Right, it's not.
It's bootlicking, ass-kissing bullshit.
And you're a shill.
And that should give us, on the right, that gives you an opportunity.
I think we haven't been very good at this point, at seizing the opportunity, but we really are, like, we're the counter-insurgency.
We're the- We're the punk rock.
Right.
True.
We're total punk rock and it's so great because I like to see your creativity and other people, younger people than I, of course, as is everyone on earth almost.
But the creativity coming out of being squashed down is what makes art.
And it's great to see it come from a center place rather than the marginalized because it's going to be a better, more cohesive art and film and stuff, and I'm seeing it.
Even fashion.
It's really wonderful.
It's like a return to Main Street and common values, and everybody of every race and creed and culture going, you know what?
We have 99% of stuff in common that we agree on.
Duh.
Yeah.
Let's find a big tent.
Yeah.
In the film, there's a portion where I go to a biker bar down in the South.
There's Confederate flags hanging on the wall and all that.
Then right from there, we go to the black community, the poor, very impoverished part of New Orleans.
Of course, we didn't know how these conversations were going to go, but we suspected that We would hear really similar things from both of these groups, even though we're told by the media that these groups would hate each other.
But what we found is that we heard exactly the same thing, and they were all almost the exact same words.
Hey, we all bleed the same.
I don't care if you're white or black.
It doesn't really matter to me.
We heard that from both groups.
Yeah, because you were talking to the working class.
You weren't talking to the operatives that graduated brainwashed from colleges, the privileged.
And we're talking to people who are kind of, most of them don't have corporate jobs, so they don't have the DEI brainwashing.
They're not in public school right now, obviously.
They're not paying attention to Hollywood.
They're not watching a lot of media.
So they really are outside of that whole world to the extent that anybody can be anyway.
And so they're not- And they're not filled with hate.
Right.
Notice that?
Exactly.
And so they kind of go to their default position, which is, You know, especially in modern America, we all, most of us, we're all living around people of other races.
It's normal.
Right.
And the default position is like, it's not a big deal.
I mean, I notice it's not that race doesn't exist.
I notice if someone's of a different race, but it doesn't.
Matter.
It matters to me because I'm like, oh, I bet they cook such and such good.
I like going to different people's houses because, you know, they all have such delicious food.
That's why I don't figure why the world can't get that through its big head.
There's great food in every culture.
Why aren't we just enjoying our food and our music?
Yeah, that is one of the times when I really do notice races when I'm going to an ethnic restaurant and I want to make sure that It's like the people working there and especially in the kitchen should be of that ethnicity.
I do feel that way.
I agree.
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I've never been to an Indian restaurant that didn't have Indians working.
That was good.
Like it has to be Chinese, too.
I got to be honest.
I have to say in the Indian restaurant, it was it was a mom and dad kind of place.
And it was Indian people working in there, I think.
But, you know, you never know who's who anymore.
Yeah, I guess.
Everyone's all intermarried and everybody's all everything now.
Yeah, I guess.
I mean, it's not like I'm conducting a poll when I go in there and I'm not walking into the kitchen.
What's your favorite food?
Favorite food?
Well, I love Indian food, like for takeout.
I'm going to do the Indian food.
I love Indian food, too.
But at my house, I actually do not all the cooking, but I do a fair amount of the cooking in my house.
I do enjoy cooking, and chili is sort of my- I love chili.
Yeah.
I can tell by the flannel.
Do you make it with beef chunks?
Well, no, you'll probably tell me that my chili isn't real chili.
Are you a chili purist?
No, I like any kind of chili.
Do you have beans in it?
Is that what you're getting at?
Yeah, I do have beans in it.
It's not chili.
No, it is too chili.
I like beans and chili.
Why can't chili have beans in it?
It's just not chili.
Oh, he's just stuck up.
He's stuck up.
He's all stuck up.
That ain't right.
I do white bean chili.
Do you ever made that?
Sure, yeah.
That's good.
I do all different kinds of beans.
You could throw some black beans in there, pinto, kidney.
I mean, you could do all kinds of different things.
You don't put meat in your chili?
Oh no, definitely meat.
Okay.
I don't do just one.
What I like to do is different because I'll put some beef in there.
I'll usually put some bison, and I like to throw a little bit of pork in there.
I love bison.
And I might even throw in some ground turkey, not much, but it lightens up.
Yeah, and I'm not a big ground turkey guy.
But anyway, let's go back to the subject.
We can talk about Chile for an hour if you want.
I'm so excited because your movie that's being released, when is it, Jake?
The 9th?
Well, he'll tell you.
The 9th is the premiere, but the 16th, I think, is the theatrical release.
Yeah, 9th.
Well, it premieres in Nashville on the 9th.
It comes out on the 13th.
It's a big deal.
It's got a huge theatrical release, which is a very big deal for, you know... Culture war.
...in the culture war.
Yeah, yeah.
We are blessed that it's doing really well in pre-sales, so we've expanded.
I don't know how many theaters we're in right now, but it's double what it was when we started.
Dang, that's good.
And, of course, we were...
When we decided to release this theatrically, the question was, how would the theaters respond to it?
Will they even take it?
We thought the subject matter would be the challenge, and it turns out that the theaters took it.
The challenge was more just that it's a documentary, and what we heard from the theaters is, like, we'll take it, but documentaries don't attract big audiences, so we're only going to give you a few theaters.
We'll see how it does in pre-sales, kind of like a prove-it deal.
And it's proven itself so far in pre-sales, so it's expanded.
We've doubled the theaters.
Well, that's because it's funny, I think, because, you know, you get a lot of good laughs in it.
So it's a good date night thing, or a guy's night out, or a girl's night out thing.
I think so.
And it's kind of a weird, genre-wise, we actually debated this quite a bit before we sent it out.
It's like, what genre is it even in?
It is a documentary.
It's all real, but it's not what you think of when you think of documentary.
I don't want to give too much away, but there's like a scene at the end that's obviously scripted.
Don't give away the end.
I'm not.
I'm just saying.
I love that you actually... Did you actually go to DEI training?
Yeah.
Do you have your certification?
I don't have it on me.
I should carry it around with me, but I did get the certificate.
So you did go to the training?
Yeah.
Well, go to it.
I mean, I went online and I spent 30 minutes taking a course.
And what does it tell you?
Like, let's break it down.
It's diversity, equity, and inclusion, but it's really segregation, exclusion, and what's the I?
Yeah, it's all double talk.
It's like we don't want to hire, we hate white men.
Yeah.
But above it all, I know this, above all, they hate Jews.
They hate Jews.
And the whole reason they invented that bullshit was so they could say Jews are white.
And, you know, that's all they care about.
Jews are white.
We're going to march in a white neighborhood, Beverly Hills.
You know, that's what they did last time.
And a lot of us marshaled forces because we knew what they were doing.
It's pure Nazi fucking slash Marxist propaganda.
You know, they just they they believe that everything the Jews or the whites got was from stealing from them.
And that it's their rightful stuff.
Yeah.
Of course, Jews are white.
Even Asians can be white in this way of thinking.
Blacks are the black face of white supremacy.
Right.
White Hispanic is now a thing.
Because what they've done, they've taken white and they've expanded to the concept of whiteness.
And whiteness is just anything that they, being the race hustlers, anything they associate with being white is now part of whiteness.
But they're so wrong because a lot of white people have a lot of freckles, so that means they're melanated, so they're totally racist with their definition of whiteness.
And also, by the way, they say white and then people of color, as if these are two different groups.
We have color too as white people.
What would it mean to not have color?
I guess to be translucent or something.
Like some sort of deep sea species.
The words don't make any sense.
They do when you look at it like this because I've given this a lot of thought being a refugee from the left.
Race is racism.
It really is.
The only people that race matter to is slave traders.
It don't matter.
It's class that matters, and when you use race as the cudgel to keep a certain amount of people on a certain continent poor, because you're robbing them, I mean, that's class.
That's not specifically race.
Race is a symptom of a worldwide class war of the people who own everything.
Wanting the rest of us, not only to have nothing, but to pray for their Nazi experiments and to disappear.
Yeah.
Or be killed in their wars for more money.
It's a devil world.
I think class is a big part of this.
They don't talk about it as much because they fold it all into the racial thing.
Because they're all privileged.
Right.
But in their world, if you're white, you're automatically part of the upper class in this really weird, convoluted way, which of course is absurd.
They've never been to Appalachian, seen the people there.
Exactly.
Or even the biker bar we went to in the film.
Or Walmart.
You ever been to a Walmart?
Yeah, Walmart.
Midwest.
California.
Right.
It's really disgusting.
What power does when they just want to steal everybody's money?
Yeah.
That's actually one of the things we wanted to do in the film that we never got a chance to do.
I wanted to go to Appalachia, to go to the poorest area of Appalachia, to talk, to explore this idea of white privilege.
Talk to someone who lives in a trailer in Appalachia about their privilege, to find out how privileged they really are.
We weren't able to do it.
We just ran out of time.
It's absurd and it's insulting to tell someone who's obviously suffered greatly and is living a hard life.
The homeless are primarily white, the homeless.
Yeah.
And veterans.
Everything's upside down and backwards.
I sometimes think, being a comic, that if we all had a big enough laugh, we could shake it all
loose and start over again, because it's got to be rebuilt on some common sense and some, you know,
not for the benefit of a few at the expense of the many.
That just ain't right.
In any way.
And it's funny that it's the Republican party that holds that value.
And I, I was reading about Frederick Douglass and, uh, you know, one of the founders of, you know, all this upside down history that we get in BS media here, but that they, that they would think that they are progressive, that they are the forward thinkers when they basically That feudalism, debt slavery, and the worst stuff that we've already thought we conquered.
Tribalism and division and war and the hate.
Yeah.
And I think you mentioned being a comic.
I mean, well, you know this as a comedy legend, but comedy is one of the ways to break through a lot of this.
And there hasn't been, you know, It's like we've been in this drought period with comedy, at least in the mainstream, but there's hardly been any for the last 10, 15 years, it feels like.
In the movies, for sure.
Maybe less so on TV, but certainly in the movies, which is interesting.
It's almost like You know, there was a run of, if you go back to the 90s, there was different runs of different people that were very prolific in comedy, and then it kind of stopped sometime around 2012 or 2013.
Yeah, it did.
When Obama signed the NDAA, I said, he's just killed comedy.
You won't be able to say nothing and without, like, having the back of your mind, you could be arrested for it.
And hence, today, you know, the left in the UK is trying to come over here and arrest people for stuff that's on X in the UK.
I mean, they're just trying to shut all dissent and everything about their Communist Party line down.
They're trying to take it all away.
And so, long may it wave, and I'm glad you get it, and I'm glad you made the movie.
And I'm glad you kind of made a fool of yourself in there.
You were brave, and you were game to get a laugh.
It was funny.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I think I made myself the butt of the joke.
In many of those scenes, kind of intentionally, but also hopefully exposing what we're trying to expose.
I think those people should be ashamed that they are milking people who probably have bipolar disorder and a hundred other things, feeling guilty for slavery when they never had no slaves.
I mean, And they were never slaves neither.
I mean, that's just bilking people.
That's like selling insurance.
Yeah.
And the slavery thing, that always, you know, this guilt trip they try to do over slavery, I find really ridiculous for a lot of reasons.
I mean, the obvious reason is that none of us have ever owned slaves.
We never knew anyone who owned slaves.
But also because slavery is a worldwide global sin that for thousands of years, everybody across the entire globe in every culture of every race owned slaves.
And if they didn't own slaves, they were okay with the fact that slavery existed as an institution.
It was a global institution for thousands of years.
Well, the same people that keep on talking about slavery 100 years ago in America are also part of the party which now enables more slaves than have ever existed in the world.
Child slaves, sex slaves, labor slaves, wage slaves.
And they use that as a cudgel so we won't look at that other stuff.
But America has more child slaves now coming across the border, and every family's gonna get one.
And they aren't even tracking them or nothing.
They're gonna have a little kid in their house who they say, this is our special cousin or whoever that's gonna be doing all the unpaid labor and watching the kids.
That's how it works.
And they're all down for it.
They're letting it happen.
A lot of people don't realize that slavery was officially actually legal As recently as the 1980s in Africa.
Africa was the last place to actually have the institution of slavery legal.
But Libya sells black people as slaves now.
Libya sells black people for $200.
You can buy a black slave.
And in Gaza they do too.
Palestinians own black people.
And we don't get to hear any of that.
Here we sit, up to about here, with BS from the Democrat Party, and any blow against that empire is a blow for freedom and liberty, and for God, I think, so I'm glad you're doing it.
I'm glad you're funny.
I'm glad God gave you a gift of humor, which takes a real lot of thinking to make something funny, because you've got to take two different disparate ideas and bring them together in a big smash.
And you did it.
So, you know, I think you did good.
I think you made a good film.
I hope you'll make more.
Are you thinking of making more?
Uh, absolutely.
You know, that's the one thing I mentioned, uh, being doing a podcast because the podcast I do is, uh, I think what you do is great.
Cause it's like, you get to have interesting conversations.
Right.
Um, and there's a lot that could come out of a conversation, but the podcast that I do, it's like political commentary.
So it's just me talking to the camera.
Well, you have to do a lot of thinking to come up with that.
Sure.
Yeah.
And it's, it's, it's right.
Exactly.
And I think that there's some value in it, but, um, The thing about that is it's like, it's very tied to the news cycle.
And so I put hours and hours and hours of work into doing this podcast and I do the show.
And then by tomorrow, nobody cares anymore because the news cycle's moved on.
And then you make a movie and you see that, okay, it's possible to create something that people care about for more than five minutes.
You know, What Is Woman came out two years ago.
People still come up to me about it all the time and talk about what the movie meant to them.
So just that alone, to see that it's possible to create, to be in the daily content grind, and then to create something that has some staying power is really refreshing.
And it's like, I want to hold on.
I want to keep doing that.
I couldn't go back to just the daily grind of content that's so temporal and is forgotten so quickly.
I think you say new and different things about just racism itself.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Yeah, I think you're saying new and needed things about racism itself in the culture.
I think it'll open up a lot of dialogue with people.
But I was going to ask you, what do you think, I mean, you probably don't even want to think about this, but I do, because it always happens to me too, but the naysayers, you know, the trolls, how they're going to come for you, have you thought about what they're going to say?
Because when I was watching, I was like, oh, they're going to say this and say that.
Yeah, I mean, I haven't thought much about it.
I'm sure they'll have a lot to say.
And that's fine.
You know, I know you're used to it.
I'm used to it.
And I don't worry about it.
I think that, in fact, I'd rather have that than the alternative because I know that, especially with like the corporate, the left-wing media, they prefer to just ignore this.
Yeah.
And even with What Is Woman, it was a big success for us, but the corporate media ignored it for a long time because it was on our platform.
And so they felt like, well, okay, we can just ignore that, pretend it doesn't exist.
I want to put it somewhere and then have the success with it where they can't ignore it, and they have to come up with some nay-saying whatever criticism.
I'm sure we're going to get terrible reviews.
I'm sure that's going to happen.
That's fine because it means that you can't ignore it.
You had to at least acknowledge that it exists.
Do you think, though consider this, do you think that there has been some sort of a cultural shift and that it's in the process of shifting even more?
Because like I told Greg Gutfeld, his show being the number one nighttime talk show is evidence of a cultural shift.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think there's a lot of shifts happening.
And in the entertainment space in particular, like you mentioned, Gutfeld.
But I mean on media.
Yeah.
I think a lot of it is because, like we were talking about, the left has sort of left the playing field on some of these things.
They're not making comedy anymore, really.
They don't make entertainment the way that they used to.
At least they don't make it as effectively as they used to because they're putting the message before the story.
And so that's part of the shift that you're seeing, that it allows these kind of like insurgent characters.
I'm one of them.
Yeah, you are.
To come in and say, all right, I'll do it then.
And I hope that it continues, you know?
Yeah, I hope you inspire a lot of other people.
And I hope that your movie does so well that it inspires theaters to, you know, open their doors to other than a certain narrative.
Because I think people are ready to see something.
Yeah, that's also been the case for a long time.
That, you know, Hollywood, just for example, I mean, There's so much money that these Hollywood studios could make by making biblical films.
I know!
And every once in a while, a biblical film is made, and it does amazingly well because there's so much hunger for that.
And there's so many great stories in the Bible.
Oh my gosh, yeah.
Even aside from the spiritual resonance of them and truth of them, these are also just great stories.
I've wanted to do that forever.
Yeah.
You open up the first page of the Bible, you just go through the whole thing, and there's a thousand billion dollar movies in it.
It's amazing that Hollywood hates us so much that they'll even sacrifice the money.
They're like, I don't even want a billion dollars from you people.
I hate you that much.
They did that with her.
That's what they did with me.
I was the number one show with 28 million viewers, and they canceled it for a tweet they didn't understand because they don't understand anything about Jewish people.
Or what the Iran deal meant to the Jewish people.
What do you make of that?
They canceled me, their number one show that they've only had in like 15 years since I went off the air before.
They didn't care about the money and they didn't care about their stockholders.
But I'll tell you, I don't know what kind of capitalism that is.
It isn't really, can't be capitalism.
Yeah, it's not because they're willing to sacrifice the money.
Yeah.
Just based on their pure resentment and hatred, which is a really amazing thing.
They don't want to lose the culture war, and that's how they see it.
It's the culture war.
And that's more important to them because it's an ideology.
One person said, I'm just afraid she's going to humanize Trump voters.
Well, you wouldn't want that.
No, you definitely don't want that.
Or Trump.
You don't want to humanize him.
Then you can't keep trying to lock him up and take shots at him.
You know.
Fundraise off him.
Fundraise off him.
And you had achieved something that you almost never see, which is to take a property that existed, you know, years ago and kind of do whatever, a reboot, that actually captures the essence of what the old thing was.
And updated it for the times, which of course no one can do.
And there's been a million attempts at that and they almost always are terrible.
You know, because as Bob Iger said, it's never a good idea to give an artist too much power over their product.
Okay.
So you're doing it for God, right?
We're like the Blues Brothers.
We're on a mission from God, right?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And that's, I mean, ultimately, if you're a religious person, And you're truly religious, that drives everything that you do.
Yeah.
Sometimes I get, you know, I even get criticized on occasion, even with the first movie, What Is Woman, that from some, my Christian audience, that they said, well, why, you know, Why didn't you say anything about God?
What is woman?
We gave the answer to what is woman at the end of the movie.
Spoiler alert, adult human female.
It wasn't a loud voice, but there were some voices that said, well, that was your chance to say something about your faith and about God.
And my answer to that was, well, It's there.
We're speaking the truth about this topic.
If you're speaking the truth, that spiritual truth is there embedded in it.
They also hate the Bible.
They really hate Christians.
They hate Jews a lot because we're white.
They hate people who believe in God.
Yeah, they hate the Torah, and they hate the New Testament, too.
They hate the Jews.
They hate Muslims that think a little bit different, because there's a lot of sects of Muslims.
But they hate Christians, and they're going for them.
Like crazy, and they think every Christian is like that Baptist bunch that used to stand out there.
Like Westboro?
Yeah, Westboro.
They think every Christian is like that, and they also love the idea of forcing Christians to make cakes against their will and their beliefs, And to force Christians who are anti-abortion to pay for abortions.
I mean, that is just, that's not American.
That's fascist.
Yeah, and then they claim that they're in favor of freedom of association, which is really, you know, the infamous cake baking kind of cases.
We talk about that like it's a free speech case, which it is, that too.
But I think even more, it's just basic freedom of association.
If somebody says that they run a business and they say, I don't want to be associated with you, or I don't want to be associated with this event, If it's a gay wedding, that's one of your most basic freedoms.
If you don't have the freedom to decide who you associate with, especially professionally, then in what sense are we free at all?
I never understood why the right didn't fight back by going to a gay bakery and saying, we want a cake that says blah, blah, blah, and seeing them refuse.
Why doesn't the right ever fight back?
I think they fight back in different ways, but... Well, the boycotts of...
Well, I'll tell you why.
I'll tell you one of the reasons why you didn't have conservatives doing that for the most part is that, honestly, conservatives are nice people.
And they're not really looking for trouble.
They're not looking for conflict.
They don't think of a cake as an opportunity to exercise power over another person.
Yeah, that's true.
And so it takes a certain type of person to even think of that kind of thing.
And you have all these cake-baking cases.
None of that, that was all engineered.
It happened for, like, it was not, these were not gay couples that just happened to wander in and then said, like, it's all for a political.
They targeted it.
Like they knew that, okay, well, this guy is a Christian.
He runs this.
They were friends that first case.
It was their friend, their actual friend that they put out of business.
That was a true story.
I don't know if you guys know that I covered it.
Is that Jack, not Jack Phillips?
No, it was the one in Oregon and he wouldn't do, they were friends.
It was a lesbian wedding.
He didn't want to make a cake.
And they basically, instead of just going to the next bakery, they called all the vendors that were supplying to them and said, we will no longer support you.
And did basically a nationwide band and put their friends out of business.
They put the left, the Hitler Jack boot right on their face to wipe them out.
This was kind of the beginning of that stuff.
I talked about this 10, 15 years ago and it was kind of the beginning of what we're seeing, the beginning of council culture really.
Yeah, but that's exactly what I'm talking about, that with these LGBT activist types, they'll do that kind of thing.
In my experience, these can be very vicious people and very scheming and devious.
And with conservative types, they just don't...
They're trying to live their lives and they want to go get a cake.
Probably if they went in and asked for a cake and they were turned away, they'd just say, all right, I'll go to the bakery across the street.
I don't want this to be what my life is about.
I'll go and I got to go pick up the kids and I got to get back to my life.
That's one of the disadvantages that we have is that we're actually normal people.
We have families that we care about.
We have jobs.
We're not out protesting at three o'clock in the afternoon on a Tuesday.
But there is the small matter of defending the Constitution and the people's constitutional rights that somebody shouldn't overlook because that was an attack.
Yeah.
Well, that's the thing, but that's the tension that the instinct among conservatives is to focus on yourself, your family, You're not looking for trouble.
And that's a good instinct.
That's a way to be a healthy, happy person.
Right.
But that's not a recipe for winning a battle.
And when you want to fight a war, we're in a culture war, you have to be a little bit vicious.
And it takes a certain type of person.
Like, frankly, you need some assholes who are willing to do that kind of thing.
And, you know, I think that's kind of the tension.
Or maybe you just need people that are smarter than the idiots.
You know, it seems like now we're starting to hear things trickle out about wins in the courts and things are just starting to trickle out about some corruption being corralled in.
I think more is going to come the closer we get to the election.
I just feel a shift, and the fact that they're putting this movie in so many theaters I think is evidence of it.
People are ready to see, and other people who they must have woke up or something, they go, boy, there's a lot of money to be made amongst normal people instead of just the most marginalized groups.
Yeah.
I hope, and I think I can detect, I see a lot of the shift that you're talking about.
Some of it's legislative.
There have been some big legislative victories, at least statewide, even on the gender issue.
I mean, I don't know how many states there are now that ban child mutilation.
We shouldn't need any laws to ban it, because it just shouldn't be happening.
But we do need laws, because it is happening.
And there are many states now that have passed laws against it, Tennessee being my home state, being one of them.
So there's that.
There's legislative political shifts that are there.
But I do think there's a cultural shift, even just You know, What Is A Woman, we filmed that three years ago, and part of that was, yeah, we were talking to the so-called experts who pushed the gender ideology, but we also went and did kind of man-on-the-street interviews with just random people in six or seven cities across the country and asked about these issues.
And we found three years ago when we filmed it, we found that most people We're too afraid to talk about it.
Yeah.
If we ask them what is a woman or should men be allowed in the women's room, most people we talk to either would say, yeah, men should be allowed or they wouldn't want to talk about it or, you know, because they were too afraid.
I think that if I went and did the same exact man on the street interviews in the same cities again today, I think there'd be a lot more people who are willing to say, look, a woman's an adult human female.
No, men don't belong in the women's room.
That's ridiculous.
I think people are, it's not even like they've, been awakened to the reality, because they knew the reality all along, but they're emboldened to, you know, speak the truth that they've always known.
I think that's happening.
And I think that a lot of those, the street gangs that the Democrats unleash and use, they might have got smart too.
They might have got a little bit smarter as well.
You know, to say we can't be the shock troops for the Democrat Party when we're, you know, our pick one, you know.
You mean like an Antifa?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because, uh, you know.
We haven't seen Antifa in a little bit.
Not too much, except for, well, now they're masquerading as the pro-Palestinians.
That's true.
But, um.
And that was the, you know, the scheduled race riots we were supposed to get right before an election, which is what usually, how it usually goes.
That all got subsumed by the Palestinian stuff.
It's still coming.
It's still coming.
They go and ask them on the street, like, uh, you know, where's the river to the sea?
And it's the same people you saw that were Over and over again, and they are getting paid, but I think their donors might have got busted a little bit, and they're not paying up so well.
Yeah.
Well, BLM didn't endorse Kamala, at least as of last week.
I mean, I don't know the whole group, but some spokesperson.
People are getting smart.
Let's hope.
Let's hope.
I think people are seeing the connections between being bamboozled And grifted.
Yeah, some of that's smart, but also just on the left, there's a fracturing that's happening and the center sort of isn't holding on the left.
I think because when you have a movement that is built on really nothing, there's no core of it.
What do they even really believe in?
I mean, we talked about earlier, they want to dismantle and destroy, which is what they want, but that's not That's a negative.
It's a very negative thing to rally around.
And so I think they don't have like a core thing that they believe in.
And so now they're just sort of eating each other.
They think America is the worst thing that ever happened.
They do.
That's why they keep talking about the worst part of our country's history, slavery.
But they never talk about when America... What's that ship?
The whole... Steven Spielberg made that.
Oh, Amistad?
The Amistad.
That legal case ended slavery worldwide.
America is the place that ended slavery when a black man from a slave ship sued in the Supreme Court and won.
How come they're not teaching any of that to the kids?
That we as a country defeated our own darkness and that a slave went to, you know, someone on a slave ship went to the Supreme Court and overturned slavery.
That's pretty big that kids would need to know that.
Yeah, white Western colonial powers did not invent slavery because it had been invented
thousands of years before that, but did abolish it.
Were the first to abolish it.
Not just abolish it, but then once the slave trade was abolished, you had European ships
that were patrolling the seas to try to seize the slave ships, and you had the Arab powers
that were continuing it.
The pirates, yeah.
America's first war was with the Somali pirates.
And the Arab ship would see a British ship coming and they knew that they had slaves so they would kill all their slaves or throw them into the ocean so that they wouldn't be found out.
That's a part of the history that isn't told.
But that's also why we find this hatred for America because kids are not being taught The aspects of our history that would make you like beam with pride.
Like little black kids, it pisses me off that they don't know about Frederick Douglass and they don't know about Fannie Lou Hamer, who, you know, was a communist, but still she did organize farmers and stuff.
And, uh, you know, all of these great black characters in American history that rose from nothing to greatness and, and they don't ever teach about that.
They don't, they don't, uh, MLK?
That was one of my favorite lines in your movie.
She said, MLK said a lot of things.
Oh my God.
He said a lot of stuff.
Can they disrespect him more?
They have been.
They have been for a while.
MLK is not popular with these new DI types.
Anyone who was born prior to about 30 years ago is automatically not up to date and racist.
Part of the problem.
That's why all the statues, you know, it's like when they started tearing down the Confederate statues and whatever it was, 2017 or, you know, that first kind of rush of tearing down statues.
Some of us at the time pointed out and said, well, look, if you're tearing down these statues on the basis that they were white, racist, and slave owners, well, then guess who else was?
The founding fathers.
And guess who else were slave owners?
Everybody in history before them.
So they're going to be next.
And they were next.
They were next.
Africans.
African kings.
They had to murder slaves.
So what are you going to do?
Turn the effing page.
I look at you and go, I shouldn't swear around Timmy.
Oh, no, you're okay.
You won't offend him.
Okay, let's just turn the page.
Let's get back to sanity.
Let's solve some problems.
Let's start laughing with each other again.
Yeah.
You know, these people that you have in your show, I have met so many hundreds of times at so many benefit dinners, and I was enjoying seeing them squirm a little.
It was fun.
Yeah, and they're, you know, these are not good people.
They are not good people.
Some people, when we do these, especially on this movie, I get the question a lot of, well, how do you keep a straight face?
How do you not laugh?
And the truth is, not laughing is pretty easy because, especially when you're in the room with these people, it's quite unpleasant.
The things that they're saying are really terrible.
I know.
It blew my mind when I'd be in those rooms and hear it.
Now, we make some comedy of it after the fact, but in the room, it's actually not funny at all.
Really, the challenge is not laughing, but it's not screaming at them, which is really more of my instinct, is what I want to do.
That would be a very different kind of movie.
That was like my writer's room, that dinner.
That was like me trying to get some funny out of people.
Oh man, I can't imagine.
Yeah, you can't.
There's not a lot of comedy to find there, at least not intentional comedy.
No, but yeah.
Well, you can find it because if you talk to them long enough, it's hilarious how preposterously, whatever the word is, pompous, preposterously pompous they are.
Yeah.
Yeah, I was going to talk to you about releasing, when the movie's done, the raw footage, because one of my things when I'm watching this, I actually wanted to see them talk more, like the dinner for races, whatever you talked, whatever it was called, those two women.
I wanted to see.
Yeah, I would love to see their entire panel, because to me, that's all, you're hilarious in it, by the way, but them talking, I do find it hilarious.
Please release this down the road.
Yeah, I mean, there's plenty.
Just put a black stripe on their face.
Or just release it.
They signed a waiver.
It's unbelievable comedy.
And that dinner was like two hours long.
Yeah.
And obviously we can't put two hours in the movie.
Right.
And it just is relentless.
You can tell.
You're in the room with them and these women are just getting broken down.
It's like it's the most intense brainwashing session I've ever witnessed.
They're just breaking these women down and making them... It's really weird.
And they pay for it.
They pay for it.
They pay for it.
I don't want to give any more away, but there is this... I'll just say this.
There is a self-flagellation thing to this.
That is really troubling.
It's not just the people coming here and saying, oh, you're racist, white, terrible people.
It's the white people are paying it.
Paying them to do it.
And that's a really weird psychological thing I don't understand.
Well, then they'll be absolved of their whiteness and their racism?
Maybe.
I don't know.
Well, yeah.
I mean, that's the idea, but you can't be absolved of it.
That's the game.
They bring you in and say, okay, well, you are a sinner because you're white.
Here's what you can do to atone, and then you do it.
And then the trick is, well, but you're still white, so you're still a sinner.
In fact, you're just as racist now as you were when you first came in.
And there's no way out of it.
It's like a disease that can be managed, but not ever cured.
Right.
Is the way that they sell it.
I love when you went on the TV show as a DEI spokesperson and the ladies you were on the shows with, like Hello Canup or whatever it was, they were buying it.
Speaking of raw footage, I mean, those are interviews we did in real life, and I don't know, those videos, they're out there somewhere.
That one in Utah in particular was very funny because we, first of all, the other ones we did by Zoom, so you think it's a little bit easier to kind of trick them.
The Utah one, we showed up and we went, we came in, we signed in, I waited backstage, but that whole, you know, that was a segment we did and we could only include a couple minutes of it.
There were some other good moments, like I had a chance, didn't make it in the movie, but In Utah, it was a white woman and an Asian woman.
And at one point, the white woman interrupted the Asian woman.
And so I had a chance to correct the white woman.
You've just interrupted a woman of color.
So this is an example of everyday racism.
You did say at one point, this is more for you than for you, which I love.
I highly recommend everybody go see this movie, obviously.
Everyone, though, should work on their own racism.
Everyone really should look within themselves to get rid of vestigial things from their childhood that stand in the way of making friends or being okay with God.
If you are, I mean, but I think there are plenty of people who Are just not racist.
I mean, look, if you don't hate or look down on people of other races because of their race, then you're not racist.
You might have had many other flaws, but you're not racist.
Well, I'm specifically talking about people who are all the time out their fat mouth and about white people can't be racist.
I mean, that's the most racist thing I've ever heard in my life.
They should look within their self of why they're saying something that stupid.
Yeah.
You mean black people can't be racist.
You said white people, right?
Yeah, they're saying that.
Either way, I mean, to speak for anything other than yourself is just so, lacks any kind of self-awareness at all.
And to like, go, those people are not as smart as me, whoever's saying it.
And to think that they can tell you what your own motivations are, this is what always gets me, that they'll say that, okay, well, this word or this phrase is racist.
And then you can say, well, yeah, but I didn't mean it.
Like, I'm the one who said it.
That's what happened to me when they said, you said black people looks like apes.
No, I didn't.
And there's only one, when you say something, there's only one person in the universe.
Well, there's only one human being in the universe who can actually be the authority on what you meant when you said it.
And that is you alone.
So it never makes, and that's it.
So it's like, if someone says something, you're offended.
Because you took it a certain way and they say, well, I didn't mean it that way.
That should be the end of the conversation.
It should be.
They're the only person who can speak to how they meant it.
To me, that is Nazism when you classify an entire race as beneath you.
Yeah, well, it's quite vicious and it's dehumanizing and it never leads anywhere good.
I mean, we've seen throughout history, we've seen many examples of certain groups being singled out as the problem or The source of all our ills or as somehow inherently evil.
And it never leads, it always leads to the same place, which is bloodshed, sorrow and suffering.
And so it's frustrating when you're in the middle of it and you're telling people like, look guys, we know where this is going.
Let's stop.
And yet the train keeps heading in that direction.
Okay.
Well, I just would love to thank you for being here today.
It was wonderful to talk to you.
Your movie is called, Am I Racist?
Right?
Absolutely.
I'm giving you the last word.
Do you want to have anything more to say?
Well, first of all, thanks for having me on.
It's a thrill and I really appreciate it.
And, you know, we talked about pre-sales for the movie and pre-sale tickets are really important.
So if anyone wants to go to miracist.com to get tickets, that'd be Amazing.
Support Matt.
I love the film.
We saw it.
We love it.
Support Matt.
He's a soldier on the front lines.
He's very brave.
He makes things turn, but he's there to turn them.
That takes a lot of... Even if I am an adorable... That takes a lot of... No, it's a very Irish thing to get there and turn it.
You know, the Irish, they're some strong warrior types.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, I appreciate it.
Thank you.
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