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Aug. 16, 2024 - The Roseanne Barr Podcast
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The Children of the Night with Dr. Lois Lee | The Roseanne Barr Podcast #61
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Hey, y'all are going to love this episode with Dr. Lois Lee, an old friend of mine, a woman who is incredible.
You're not going to believe the stuff she's done.
Solved the Hillside Strangler case, saved 12,000 child prostitutes, which I was involved With and I talk about all the time from pimps and child trafficking and she's going to talk about the difference in America, people who are children who are trafficked and children who are child prostitutes because it's important that people know that.
Anyway, so YouTube's trying to shut me out because I'm a Jew and I'm sexy.
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And also, you're going to be going to locals and possibly adding a second show?
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And I don't want to do it because it will crash my total career, but what have you.
I'm ready to do it.
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Something to think about.
Yeah, ignore me at your peril, bitches.
I've been telling you the truth for 40 fucking years.
Give me some fucking credit.
Give me some fucking support.
I'm out here alone.
I'm an old fucking lady.
Give me a fucking break.
Hold me up.
Do something, for God's sake.
For you see, my patience is growing thin.
There aren't a lot of women on earth that I am in awe of and
So admire and can't even believe that I'm sharing a planet with them at the very same time.
And at the top of that list is my guest today, Dr. Lois Lee, founder of Children of the Night, which was an organization that I became aware of through Tracy Lords.
Way back in the day, I think it was the early 90s, and this woman is just... I can't wait for you to meet and speak to her.
Hi, Lois.
Hi, Rosanne.
It's a pleasure seeing you again.
So nice to see you again and be able to spend time with you and talk and catch up on the crazy world we're living in.
Oh, and how quickly it all changes.
Yeah, how quickly it all changes.
When I met you, You know, Tracy Lourdes told me you should meet Dr. Lois Lee because she's helping child prostitutes, kids that are
Child prostitutes.
And, you know, in the business of porn and stuff.
Because Tracy Lourdes was underage when she was making those porn films.
And she loved you.
And that's how I met you.
And I could not believe, first of all, that you had an 85% success rate of taking these kids off basically Hollywood Boulevard and turning their lives around from Most of them, in fact all of them, being victims of abuse and incest and having had no idea or experience of safety or love in their lives.
I remember you took a van down Hollywood Boulevard with a bullhorn and screamed, I think it was at 1 or 2 a.m., and said, If you are being held hostage or in slavery to a pimp, run to this band now.
Not a lot of them, but a few would run.
And then you would begin the process of instilling a self into them and saving their lives.
Yes.
Yes.
Helped over 12,000 children.
And the matter is, The issue is really be where they are, whether that's on the streets or knocking on doors of massage parlors or meeting people who are in the business and talking to adult entertainment people.
In the early days, a lot of my kids came from pornographers and adult filmmakers and people who were running the sex clubs because they were making millions of dollars.
And they didn't want kids in their business, but the guys that worked for them thought it was funny to pass around tapes of kids, or to give a girl a quaalude and stick her up on a stage.
I've taken some kids away from some of the most dangerous organized crime people in the United States.
Can you give us a story of one of your most memorable memories of You know, you were telling me last night about how you can spot a pimp.
Can you tell us about pimps?
Well, pimps, and people don't know this, but pimps are children who were victims, their mothers were victims of domestic violence and rape, and they witnessed it as small young boys, and they were powerless to do anything, and they were emasculated, and in that process they identified with the perpetrator.
But every pimp has a mother.
And when he's out there pimping girls and taking money, he always takes care of his mother.
She has a new car.
She has a home.
Because he feels guilty that he wasn't able to do anything at that time.
And that's the process.
And if you understand that humanity, Um, then it's, it's kind of easy to deal with pimps.
I mean, I'm well known among that, that subculture as that.
I get it.
I know about that.
And so, you know, and they'll say to me frequently, come on, you're hip to the game.
You know what happened?
And, and not specifically that, but about the whole thing and the situation that they're in.
So it's not like I'm forgiving.
It's not like I wouldn't put someone in jail if they hurt a child.
I don't go after pimps.
But if I have a child and a pimp has really abused her and he needs to be put away, I'm game.
Is there any changing any of those pimps?
Is there any waking them up and getting them to realize that being a victim in childhood has made them that way?
Pimps have a gift to gab, so I don't buy into that.
And yes, they all find God when they're in prison.
And many pimps write me from prison, even pimps that I've testified against to put in jail for life.
I can't do both.
I just can't and I won't try.
I'm not going to try and straddle it.
I think it would be very dangerous for the kids to see that I was aligned with them in any way.
Snoop Dogg reached out one year and wanted to be our emcee for our 25th anniversary and I said no.
No pimps, no politicians.
Well, they're kind of the same thing, aren't they?
Yeah, I think so.
I wonder how many politicians were also raped as kids and made into pretty much a mind slave.
That's what it does.
I don't have much sympathy for politicians.
I don't like them.
I see them as real perpetrators.
I don't really see them as victims.
I don't know what their history is, but I don't like politicians.
But I was just trying to get with you to what We were talking about America's Dirty Little Secrets.
Yes.
And I really want to get into that because every criminal in prison has a background of being abused and mostly sexually abused.
No question.
No question.
But we never talk about that, do we?
No.
And what we do know, though, is that when pedophiles go to prison, they kill them.
Yeah.
They beat them up.
They torture them.
And that's the only real saving grace because you can't rehabilitate them at all.
You just can't.
They've tried everything from castration and then they would go out and molest and rape again with instruments.
So it's a vicious circle.
It's not received the attention from social sciences as it should.
Nobody really knows because it's so repugnant to most people.
But yet it's so repugnant that people turn away from it and allow it to continue to where At epic proportions.
Talk about a virus.
Talk about a deadly virus.
Exactly.
And America is the home of it, isn't it?
It's the center of worldwide child prostitution, child Pornography, child disappearance.
Yes, and it's different than other parts of the world because in America, it's all, there's a sickness to it.
There's an addiction to it.
And when you look in other parts of the world, there's a different kind of justification because maybe it's economic for food, you know, and a place to sleep because the conditions, the economic conditions are so different.
So there's a real insidious environment and attitude and rearing um, like pimps and prostitution, child prostitution.
And then you have the customers who come from every single walk of life.
I've seen everything.
Um, I've seen everybody.
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You know I don't lie.
You know I ain't gonna take you down the wrong road.
It's just you can't tell the good guy from the bad guy.
So I just had to go into this deciding that they were bad and these kids were good.
You have to kind of be black and white in that respect.
And you have to find your heroes where you can find them.
Well, how did you build this?
I mean, you built this organization against, you defied every single step of the way because you stayed away from the government, right?
Yes, exactly.
And what had happened is Jimmy Carter was president.
And it was during the Hillside Strangler, and I was a young radical feminist who wanted to be a college professor.
I was at UCLA in a PhD program, and my professor said I had to do a statistical study for my dissertation, which is the last step, and wanted me to look at census data in Chicago and predict the next race riot based on demographics and temperature and that kind of thing.
I said, I'm not going to do that.
And my mentor from undergraduate school, we went to San Francisco for the American Sociological Association.
It was quite innocent.
And she opened the paper one morning and she said, oh look, across the street is the first National Hookers Convention.
Let's go over there and give out our questions on female sexuality.
So I said, okay.
And so we go over there and I meet Margo St.
James, who's the founder of Coyote.
I know her too.
And Margo said to me, you know, you can't be involved with us because you're not a prostitute, but I want to introduce you to someone.
So she introduced me to two women with the ACLU who had sued the Oakland Police Department for not arresting the customers.
And they won.
And that meant the police could not bring in a prostitute unless they brought the customer.
Nobody wanted anybody to go to jail.
They wanted the law equally enforced so that we could take the criminalization out of prostitution.
And they said, why don't you do it in L.A.? ?
Well, I was 25 years old.
I thought it was a great idea.
Nobody else did.
And, uh, I found my friends go, my God, you need a lawyer.
And they found me a great lawyer who'd been a prosecutor and he got a court order to defend these prostitutes based on us challenging the constitutionality of the law.
Well, they went berserk, the police department, because here I am as a statistician going through every single police report filed for the last three years.
And they're going, Oh my God, we don't know what's in them.
And then I'm looking at the publications they put out, which were total lies in terms of numbers.
And, uh, I was going into court to testify as an expert.
And the male judge was a presiding judge who was an ex cop, uh, through the female judge out of court.
And he demanded I come to court.
My attorney literally snuck me down the back steps of the criminal courthouse and said, if you don't step in this courtroom, you can't, can't touch it.
So, They threw the case out, so nobody went to jail for prostitution.
So we did this several times, and I kind of became a hero among the streets, even among the pimps.
The pimps said, go with her because she can keep you out of jail.
Well, what had happened is there were hillside stranglers and 10 girls had been killed.
And by that time, I had met a couple of girls in court who were victims, who died.
And one night, a madam, and let me clarify that, she's an 18-year-old heroin addict who's got a list of customers and running ads in the underground.
And she sends out a girl and she calls me.
She says, oh my God, he's not answering the phone.
I can't find the address in the Thomas Guide.
I say, get into her apartment any way you can, see if you can figure out, you know, if he changed the address.
I call the operator and I say, I need the supervisor.
I've learned at this point not to use the word prostitute.
And so I say, I run a Ray Potlight.
And can you tell me about where this phone comes?
I've got a woman who's in trouble.
And the supervisor shouldn't have told me, but she did.
And she said, it's a pay phone.
I said, okay.
So I started to call the police.
And then I had the address because he had changed the name.
And I knew we were in trouble because he didn't change the numbers of the apartment or the apartment number.
He changed the name of the street to where it rhymed.
So she wouldn't think that it was any kind of foul play.
Because if he would have changed the number, she wouldn't have gone.
She would have called back the madam.
And so I knew we were in trouble and proceeded to call the police for over an hour.
They were supposed to come to me.
They couldn't come to me.
I went to them.
And being an academic, I was writing a term paper.
So I'm sitting there and I'm writing all these stories of these people coming in the police department, which was good because later it was evidence that I really was there when the police came out and tried to tell me I was confused.
I was a liar.
They tried to discredit me.
And when I pulled out my notebook, they just went, okay, okay.
Anyway, I went home and I called Warren Wilson, a KMBC news reporter, and it was like 3 o'clock in the morning.
I said, get up, we got another one.
He said, what?
I said, we got another one.
Gave him all the information.
Went to the apartment building.
He said, it's a security building.
Her car is here, you're right.
Her keys are in the middle of the street.
I can't get in the building.
It's a security building.
What are you going to do?
I said, I'm not coming out.
I'm going to stay here.
These guys are very dangerous.
And I said, I'm just going to wait.
I hear from the police.
And the next morning I called a friend of mine in the sheriff's department and told
him what happened.
He said, Oh my God, they didn't take a report from you because he knew my family, he knew
me.
I said, I'm telling you what happened.
He says, we got a body.
It sounds like the girl you reported missing last night.
I said, I'm home.
He says, don't mess around.
Do not move.
Stay there.
And so Warren called me and said, there's 55 LAPD cops.
And if there's any evidence, they've trampled it.
He said they got a body.
So he decides to meet me at the sheriff's station.
We'll do an interview from there.
And nobody in the sheriff's station, everybody was so scared.
Who was going to tell me?
Because they thought I was going to break down and cry that, you know, it was my girlfriend or something.
They didn't, you know, recognize me as a professional.
It's okay.
But that's just the time.
I'm just trying to describe the time.
And after we did the interview, I said, where are you going?
He says, to the apartment building.
I said, I'm going with you.
He said, well, I don't think you should.
And I said, I'm going.
And so we went and all the cops were upstairs and they knocked on the door of everyone in the apartment and asked them for their driver's license.
And Kenneth Bianchi, who was one of the murderers, He was able to con his way out of showing his driver's license.
He was the murderer.
In the building?
In the apartment.
He lived there.
Wow.
And they missed it.
Meanwhile, I grabbed the landlords and the managers and I said to them, hey, you know, Who was in that apartment last night?
I know you rent the empty apartments, you know, for cash.
Who's in it?
We don't speak English.
We don't speak English.
Down comes this big, you know, sergeant or whatever he was.
Had a homicide blow and smoke in my face from the cigar.
And I said, he's in this building.
He's here.
And he said, no, we've cleared the building.
That's how I knew they were asking for IDs.
I said, these people know who was in there.
And he's going, you have to tell me everything.
He's going to come and he's going to kill you.
And who are you?
And I stand on my tippy toes like, I'm Lois Lee.
And then I says, let me, I'm going to go talk to my lawyer.
I'll call you.
And I left.
Turned out, just recently, in the last year, I met the daughter of those managers.
And she said, he was in the building.
I live next door to him.
My mother told me that morning she saw him and Angela Bono carry the girl out in the blanket.
Oh my gosh.
It was right there, right in front of them.
And they just blundered it again and again and again.
And then they tried, of course, to discredit me.
And this new police chief comes along named Chief Darryl Gates, who said, we're going
to listen to her.
We're going to talk to everybody and we're going to listen to her.
And he and I became good friends after all of this was over, but he really did protect
me and all of that.
And the search was on, and I was so angry, I said in one of the interviews, at five o'clock
it went nationwide on the news.
And 5.10, it's like every news reporter was in the small little office I had.
There wasn't room for anybody.
And the police are calling me from Century City and they said, you're to get over here right now and tell us what happened.
I said, no, I'm not coming there.
And they said, um, no, you're going to come right now.
And I said, there's press here.
I don't know what to do.
And they said, if you tell them anything, I will personally get you.
If my little girl wakes up tomorrow morning and reads the paper and knows everything that happened to that little girl, I'm going to get you.
I'm going to punish you for this.
And he said, we're doing a movie.
We're doing a movie!
He says, and you need to tell us everything that happened.
I said, well, I have to go.
So I said to the press, I can't talk to you because they say I'll ruin the investigation.
And they said, what do you know about what those guys did to the little girl?
I said, nothing.
What do you know?
I know how many times I tried to call the police.
I know what the police did.
I know what happened this morning.
I know that he's in that building.
And they said, now, do you know why they don't want you to talk to us?
Just tell us what you do know.
And so I ended up saying in one of those interviews, if you're involved in the prostitution business, and you think you know who the Hillside Strangler is, and you don't want to talk to the police, don't talk to them.
Call me.
I'll put my home phone number up.
And my phone rang off the hook and Warren Wilson from KMBC, Wayne Satch from ABC, and Jim Mitchell from KFWB all came to my house and we split up the calls and organized the tips.
I wouldn't talk to the police, they had to follow us.
And it drove me crazy, absolutely crazy.
So, um, and we went after him, but the press really ran him out of town.
I think he did one more murder up in Glendale that was different than picking up girls on sunset.
And at the end of it, um, I made a deal with the police that if I introduce you to a prostitute who gives you information that leads to the prosecution and arrest of the Hillside Strangler, will you wipe out her criminal record?
And the sheriff's department said, yeah.
So, okay.
So I introduced them to these girls.
They didn't think the information was very valuable.
And about a year later, one of the girls calls me and says, call up those cops.
Oh, they caught one of the guys in Washington.
When she saw him, she says, call up those cops.
Ask those cops if they have a upholstery repair business in Glendale.
And she described it to a TV.
A mailman wrote the calendar on the wall.
And I said, OK.
I said, give me your number.
She says, I can't.
She says, because Lucky knows you're working with the police.
Lucky was her pimp, who I knew.
And she says, but I'll call you back.
And I called them.
They said, we need her.
We need her.
We need her.
And I said, well, she'll call me.
And never heard from her, not for months.
I get a letter from her.
She's in jail.
And so what happened was that she says, remember those cops?
Can you help me?
And I said, sure, I can help you.
So I called him up and I said, I found her.
And they go, where is she?
I said, she's in your jail.
Did she get out?
Did she get out?
Yeah, they went down and they talked to her and then she caught they had her call her pimp and asked him for the
book And he wouldn't give it to her
So they took her out of jail took her to the pimps house and she saw all of these teenage prostitutes
That was the first time we knew teenagers were working as prostitutes and did this lead to catching Bianchi at all?
Well, it ended to Lee organizing all Yes, organizing all the witnesses.
Wow.
Because she could put Bianchi with Bono.
Amazing.
And the way she knew him is she and Yolanda, who was the first Hillside Strangler victim, had gone to their house and sold them a list of customers because they wanted to be escort pimp operators.
And so what happened was that he They sold them a book.
You know, books are like, they have in-call numbers.
Many guys come to you in out-call numbers.
You go to the guy, and they wanted just the out-call, and they sold them everything.
They ripped them off.
And so a lot of people believe that the first murder was a retaliation for that.
Well, they're a poultry business.
Weren't they reupholstering police cars?
Yes, and so they use the police cars at night to pick up girls.
That's why the girls would get in the cars willingly.
Wow.
Oh my God, nobody knows that.
Well, it was all over the news.
The investigators know that.
It did come out.
I didn't know it, and I really followed that case.
I didn't know they were using police cars to pick up prostitutes.
And they also would take these girls out to some kind of building out in, I don't know, East LA somewhere, where they were having sex with all these high official police officers, captains and stuff.
And so the girls were afraid to go to the police.
Wow.
So anyway, so Debbie ended up, so then this was very quite funny because, so she goes to the house.
She's pissed at Lucky.
He won't give her the book.
She can't find the book.
So she comes to my house with the two sheriffs and we're sitting in my living room and we're talking and she says, where's that file cabinet that you kept in your office?
And then I pointed through a little window and I said, it's right there.
And she got up and she opened up the bottom drawer and she pulled out the book.
She goes, here it is.
I said, what's it doing there?
And she says, we all knew you didn't work.
So, you know, the books are worth money.
So we would Xerox the books on the attorney's Xerox machine where my office was.
And then they'd keep copies in the bottom drawer because they knew they were safe.
So that was the physical evidence.
Wow.
And you're a college student at this time?
Uh-huh.
Working on my PhD.
What a start, right?
Well, and I had to turn in a term paper and I called my professor and I said, I can't write.
I just can't write.
And I told him what happened.
He said, this is so important.
He says, just run with it.
He says, I'll give you a B. If your paper's worse, I'll lower your grade.
If your paper's better, I'll give you a better grade.
He says, but just run with this.
It's so important.
This is what sociology is really about.
So then we had the evidence, and then we had other girls, and then there were other girls who knew him, and we organized the other girls.
One girl was, I mean, their lives had changed.
One was married to a police officer.
So I had to organize them to get them to say, it's OK, we're going to go into court and testify against Angela Bono, because Bianchi ended up pleading guilty in Washington, I believe.
And we're going to go in and testify against Bianchi, and it'll be OK, and I'll be there with you.
And so we went, and we put them all in a hotel.
And one of them, one of the first girls, she ended up staying with me.
We went out dancing and stuff and had fun the night before.
I says, don't worry about this.
I've done this lots.
So we went in and went to court and everybody testified and then I was the expert because nobody knew what a book was, you know, and how that worked.
And I had to testify, if you can believe this, that as gruesome as these murders were and with all the evidence they had, I had to testify that the prostitutes had given me this information before the press or that they weren't just lying because the police told them to or stuff.
I said, yes, I knew this then.
I tried to tell the police and not my fault if they didn't write down.
So it was a mess, and then what happened is pornographers and strip club owners, Eddie Nash being one of them, I don't know if you know that name, would call me and say, I don't want kids in my business, come get them.
And then I had all these kids come through my house.
How old were they?
11 to 17.
And 11-year-olds didn't look like 11-year-olds.
So nobody believes I'm talking about children as prostitutes.
And there's one police officer, his name is Fred Clapp, he's a vice cop, one of the best skilled vice cops I've ever known.
I don't trust him, but he's very, very good.
And there was a little girl that was 11 that was in, her mother called me, and she was in, they put her in the adult jail.
So I called, and I was well-known enough, so I just called and told the captain in the jail, I said, that's an 11-year-old kid, get her out of there.
So she put her in juvenile hall.
So there was a date when I was supposed to go to court and meet her in juvenile court.
And I go and I walk in and the women look at me.
The judge is not there yet.
And they go, what are you doing here?
And I said, I'm here for this case.
They said, Oh my God, that was yesterday.
They said, how old is she?
I said, she's 11.
So the judge said, that's an 18 year old.
If I ever saw an 18 year old, I don't know what Lois is doing.
So I go back to the police and I said, pull her out of jail.
And they said, he says, nobody believes you.
They're going to go after your credibility.
And I said, I'm telling you she's 11.
He says, okay, have her mother who was in San Bernardino, go to the sheriffs and, and teletype or telex her birth certificate to us.
And they called up and they went, damn, the kid's 11.
And they were the first agency to realize that they were processing children through the criminal justice system.
She didn't look it.
She had big breasts.
She was 5'8", you know, and developed because she was sexualized when she was young.
You know, girls develop faster when that happens, so.
Right.
Yeah.
How horrible is that?
They never have any kind of a childhood.
No.
So they think that prostitution is just normal.
Well, it's not that They think it's normal, it's just a pimp creates a rationale for them.
You know, you don't have to stay at home and lay in your bed and wait for your mom's boyfriend to come into your bedroom.
I can show you how to have sex with men, how to control the sex, and how to get money for it.
And you can have your nails done, and you can have your hair done, and you can have nice clothes in an apartment.
We'll go to restaurants.
And some of it comes true.
They do get their nails done and their hair done because they have to, because they work.
And they do get nice clothes, skippy clothes, you know, to wear on the street.
And so it's, you know, I always say, life as a prostitute is better than life at home.
And until we understand that, we're not even going to begin to touch the prostitution problem.
And so, you know, these new organizations, sex trafficking organizations that have popped up and everything, they consider prostituted kids repugnant.
And they just get furious with me if I use the word prostitute.
But too bad, it is what it is.
Why?
Because they want to call it trafficked?
They want to call it sex trafficking because they think it's more palatable to people and also they can engage more attractive victims.
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Well, and then again, you have, you have rich kids.
I had Walter Winchell's granddaughter.
I met her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I knew.
Yeah.
I knew kids of famous people all over Hollywood that I was in therapy groups with.
Yep.
Or just move it to your… Yeah.
Yeah, sorry.
Thank you.
It's good stuff.
But the real underlying thing here is incest and A sexual abuse in families, isn't it?
Yes, it is.
Whether it's brothers or fathers or stepfathers or uncles.
Grandpas are big.
Grandpas are real big.
The unspoken thing, though, which I learned because, you know, I just got into it because I was in a lot of therapy groups.
I had problems myself and hearing other people in Hollywood is where it started for me in therapy groups.
Hearing their stories, you know, and when you hear them, it's soul-shocking.
And especially how they get away with it, like on an industrial level in Hollywood.
But everything seems to be based on the abuse of children.
And I would see it in show business.
I would see it when mothers would come to have audition their kids for my show, and it just disgusts me.
I remember this one mother had babies that she wanted to play the baby on the show, and she goes, you want them to cry?
They always had twins, because they could only be on camera 30 seconds.
And she goes, oh, you want them to cry?
And then she hurt their feet, so they'd cry.
And she's smiling as she did it.
And I freak out and have to call 35 psychiatrists to deal with that.
Yeah.
Yeah, they had famous... That's what I wanted to say.
The first time I got kicked out of the feminist movement, we were talking about this, is when I said that boys were victims and that women were also perpetrators.
That's true.
They did not want to hear that.
Nope.
Because I knew, like in polygamous families, it's often the co-mothers that molest the daughters.
And that is so covered up.
Anything that women do.
And their sons.
And the sons, yeah.
I mean, I hear lots of that from boys that it started with their mother.
And, you know, but the feminist movement is also another middle class movement.
Yes, it is.
Totally middle class.
And so they miss, you know, a lot of what's going on.
And that angers me.
Well, they despise the working class.
I mean, look at them.
You can see it on the internet.
They're all pretty much academic, and they despise the filthy Trump voting working class.
It's disgusting.
They don't even understand class.
I had a meeting, a Zoom meeting, with a trafficking group with the city of Los Angeles.
One was a DA.
And they said, you stop using the word prostitute.
You can't use the word prostitute.
I said, my kids are prostitutes and you won't let them in your programs.
And the DA said to me, you know, there is a law on the books that says if you refer to a child as a prostitute, you can go to jail.
I said, come get me.
There's no law.
But you know, the intimidation that they would use.
And of course, and then I took one of the videos, you know, there's that, um, what is that?
The white underbelly video?
Yeah.
YouTube.
Soft white underbelly.
And a little girl that I raised who used to run around naked, not, not in stilettos even, naked.
And she was a drug addicted baby and her mom was a dear heart, but her mother was messed up.
And, uh, she was running around the streets and the police would wrap her in a blanket and drive her to me.
Again and again and again, every time she'd go out the door.
And so I put that little video and I sent it out to the whole group.
They were so, why would you send out something so filthy and so nasty?
I said, because those are my children.
Those are my children.
And yes, they've got lots of problems.
They're the refuse.
of America, right?
Mm-hmm.
And isn't it one in three girls and one in four boys?
I don't know, and I don't know how anybody knows those numbers.
It's a lot.
We know it's a lot because it doesn't take a lot to be sitting around with four or five friends at lunch and women to start talking and say, yeah, my dad did this or my uncle or I had this one experience.
Everybody's had some experience.
It may not have been full-on intercourse or oral sex, but some experience with inappropriate touching.
Yeah.
And everybody knows somebody in their family that had it happen to them too.
And oftentimes the kids get blamed.
Well, yeah.
It follows that.
It's like a mind control program to break somebody's soul.
So then they become a, I won't say willing, but they become a kind of a robotized, enslaved operative to keep it going.
And it comes from a really high level, right?
You know how high a level it comes from.
Yeah.
And dealing with them, I mean, you really have to come at them with unconditional love, even if they spit in your face.
No one's ever done that, but they've turned around and said bad things about me.
And then they'll challenge you.
I had a little girl once who said, I've just had it with your crap.
I'm going back to the streets.
And the police were in the lobby.
And I said, do me a favor.
And she said, what's that?
I said, next time, get yourself a good pimp.
She went out the door.
The police looked at me like they were horrified that I said that.
And while they were still there for the meeting, she came back.
She thought about it.
Because the pimp she was with used to beat the crap out of her.
She didn't get to keep any of the money.
You know, so you really have to get down and deal with it on a level that they understand.
Well, you were telling me about, was that at your house where you fired, you found out?
I mean, you've had to look the devil in the face 10,000 times.
Oh, no kidding, yeah.
And you, so I wanted to know how you went from just taking kids into your house to founding the place that I came to see.
Well, I wanted a school, you know, cause I still wanted to be a college professor.
So, um, I couldn't get any money.
I wrote a government grant and at the bottom of it, it said, you have to sign here that you sign over all of your, um, trademarks, all of your, your copyrights, everything you have.
And I was an academic.
I was going to write a book.
I wasn't signing everything over to them.
And, um, And then I had to get letters of support from the community.
And the mayor's office said, no, we're setting up our own program.
We're not going to write you a letter.
So that just was not going to happen after 230 pages.
And in came Ronald Reagan's president.
I was on this little documentary, it's called Eye on L.A.
with Paul Moyer, and he did a little cocktail party, and it was about me being out on the streets, and he got to interview kids that were in my house, because there were no laws, he couldn't hold me to anything.
I wasn't an institution or anything, and so we did the show.
It was a nine-minute piece.
And my phone started ringing off the hook, and it was President Reagan's kitchen cabinet, who were on boards of directors of foundations, who said, we're going to give you money.
You need to fill out.
Someone from our office is going to send you a grant proposal.
Do you know how to fill it out?
And I said, I think so.
I don't know.
I've never done that.
He said, if so, you call.
If not, you have any trouble, you call so-and-so.
They'll help you fill it out.
And that's how I got my first grant.
They said, we want the program out of your house.
So now I think I'll set it up in Hollywood and I'll turn it over to the university because that's what we always did in the university, except nobody in the university wanted it.
And people were so stupid.
I mean, some of the people that worked for me, I've had really great people help me, but I've had some very stupid people.
You know, one young woman who took home some boy, And then, and then she's surprised to find him at her car, you know, a week later, you know, and he's, he's going to hit her or do something.
It's just, how would you do that?
You know?
So, um, just, it was very, very hard building staff.
So my staff really became kids that I pulled off the street.
And because they were, they knew how to talk the language, they were good at it.
I learned from them.
They learned from me.
Um, we did, they taught me some very funny things.
Like we went down, we had to go down to see a boy at the men's jail.
He was 18.
And a long line of black women, because mostly the black children are in prison.
And they all have the babies and the family and they're all crying and all of that.
And they're gonna close.
And they just close on him.
Sorry you didn't get in line, didn't get And she went up, she was a tiny little blonde, and she went
up and she said, we need to see so-and-so. We're from Children of the Night.
He said, I don't care where you're from. You're not going to see him. She says, you see all
those women there? You want to riot?
You better let me in. He opened the door and got us in.
So, you know, and that's the way we just moved, you know.
And the Children of the Night name really, you know, started to grow.
I had situations where the commander in Hollywood came over and gave me the riot act and asked me how much money I made.
And he says, you only make what a detective too makes.
And I said, is that good?
You know?
And then he said, you know, Hollywood really doesn't want you here and so on and so forth.
We know what you stand for.
He says, what do I stand for?
And he says, you stand for decriminalizing prostitution.
I said, yes, I do.
I said, is that immoral or illegal or, you know?
And I said, let me tell you something about the man that told you that.
He helped me with a press conference once.
And he said to me at the end of the press conference, he said, um, now you have to pay me back.
And I said, and I said, I'm not a prostitute.
And he says, well, then you have to promise me if you ever become a prostitute, I'll be the first one.
Gross.
That commander ran out of my office, went and tore this guy up.
And in the community, he was a big community person in Hollywood.
I don't want to say who.
Um, and, uh, Then LAPD, he became my loyal friend.
And then he had to call, he said, do this television show with me.
So he called down to Press Relations, who had already been through everything with me, through the Hillside Strangler, and Commander Booth said, you can do any show you want with Lois Lee.
And he called me up, he says, I don't know who you are, but, he says, we're with you.
And they said, don't let her get hurt.
I love the story that, you know, we both kind of got our big start from Johnny Carson, right?
Yes, yes.
So tell about what Johnny Carson did for Children of the Night.
Well, I had this drop-in center, and we were always poor.
It was all hand-to-mouth, grassroots.
And then someone had nominated me for the President's Volunteer Action Award, and I was invited to Washington, D.C.
to have lunch with President Reagan and receive the Volunteer Action Award medal.
That was presented to me by the president.
So that just really, and I met a bunch of the kitchen cabinet and Newt Gingrich was saying, you know, this is a solution to society's problems.
You know, we don't need government grants.
Look, she did it through volunteerism.
It was a private initiative.
Um, this, there needs to be more of this.
And so they really rallied around me and that was very, very helpful.
And, um, then I came back and then, um, I just met this publicist, my girlfriend who was a publicist introduced me to Sky and says, Listen, he's going to go see Johnny Carson.
And he says, I work for NBC and I have to go give him, you know, a proposal to do a PSA.
They want him to do a PSA.
So give me your stuff and I'll throw it in there.
But look, there's 300 of them.
I can't guarantee anything.
And, uh, he said, it was amazing.
He called me.
He says, Johnny went like very quickly through all of them.
He said, this one grabbed yours.
And, uh, And then we'd have these conversations.
He'd say, how goes the war?
I mean, he got it.
He knew what it was.
And I sent a grant and asked him after that for $100,000.
And his lawyer called me up.
And I had to go to the office in Century City.
And I made one of the men on my board go with me.
And we went.
And he said, you know, Johnny's not going to give you $100,000.
And I put my head down, because I'm used to people saying no to me.
And I said, OK.
He said, he's going to give you $50,000.
He says, but he wants to give you more.
He gave me over a million dollars over time.
Wow.
And I could call him, you know, and tell him this is what's going on.
He always wanted to hear the stories.
Because, you know, people like that, you know, who really care and want to do something, they're not going to go out on the streets, you know, but he wants to know what's going on.
What was his PSA?
I love this.
Tell the PSA.
This is Johnny Carson.
If you don't know where your child is tonight, Children of the Night might.
They're out on the streets rescuing kids.
They're providing food and housing and medical services and counseling.
Call now.
And they gave the number.
God, he's such a... He had five of them.
And so they would just run and people just would be shocked, you know, that Johnny Carson would do that.
Another person that is vilified by feminists is Hugh Hefner.
Let's talk about what Hugh Hefner did for Children of the Night.
Well, let's see.
Which is why I always liked him for that.
I'm trying to think.
Someone else was, oh, so one of the people from the Reagan administration, or his kitchen cabinet, another very, very wealthy man, the household name you'd know, called me in to meet with him.
And he said, I'm going to help you.
And he says, we all want to help you.
And so he sent me over to meet with a woman who was head of the Republican Party.
And he called her from his office when we were sitting there, and he says, I want you to put her together, set up a non-profit, set everything up.
And let's get this going.
And I went to talk to her, and she snubbed me.
And she said, we're not going to do this.
It's too risky for us.
Jeez.
So, I mean, I was used to it.
And so my girlfriend was Playmate of the Year, and she had a little Mercedes that you get when you're Playmate of the Year, and she called me up.
She says, come on, I'm going to take you to dinner for sushi.
I said, okay.
So she picks me up and she says, Hugh Hefner watches everything you do.
He videotapes everything you do, and he has the newspaper clippings.
He's got a book on you of everything you've done.
She says, in fact, she says some of the guys were joking at the match and saying, did you hear what she said on TV?
And Hef said, that is not what she said.
And no one will ever speak about her that way again in this house.
She says, call him.
He'll help you.
Well, you don't really want to call up Hugh Hefner, right?
So the next day I put my little suit on and I go to the Playboy building where all the lawyers are.
And I tell them that I want to meet, you know, that I want Hefner to help me.
And they said, you're out of your mind.
Which I was used to hearing.
I said, I think you better ask him.
And if you don't ask him, I'm going to know.
But I didn't tell him how I had the information.
And so I, um, went home and, uh, they called me back the next day and the room was lined with attorneys and it was like a, a big, you know, burgundy room, rosewood and conference tables.
And I'm standing there and they said, uh, looking at me like I'm from outer space.
And they go, Hefner's going to help you.
I said, yes, I know he is.
So he doesn't know how yet.
It's okay.
And he was setting up gambling casinos at that time.
So there was a problem with licenses and the city of fathers and then prostitution.
But he gave me a grant from the Playboy Foundation.
It wasn't very much.
And he introduced me to his daughter and, um, he wanted me to work with his daughter, but it was not really the kind of thing Christie wanted to do.
And, um, which was okay.
I mean, I'm used to people saying no.
And, um, I just kept, and we just started doing publicity.
And then, of all people, the publicist for Elizabeth Taylor calls me and says, oh, the same girl from Playboy says, AIP is talking about you.
They're all talking about you.
They want to do something with you.
You've got to go see them.
What's AIP?
American International Pictures.
And I go over there to meet with them, Beverly Hills, and the publicist for Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton is there.
And they've got a film called Madam Kitty.
And it's about a Nazi brothel and how it was used in order to get intelligence information from soldiers.
And she's fine with me.
So they said, I said, okay, we'll do the premiere.
And she says, nobody can put together a premiere in eight days.
I said, I can.
So I said, I'm going to need some things.
And they said, what?
I said, I can provide hookers right off Sunset Boulevard.
And the town went crazy.
They provided clothing, hairdressers in Beverly Hills.
Someone donated Oslots, because the name of the organization at the time was CAT, California's Advocacy for Trollops, because my work was all about suing police.
Meanwhile, these kids are like creeping in, starting to take over my life.
And we did this event with Klieg lights and the whole thing, and limousines.
And Hefner, I asked him for the house, and he said, uh, no.
Not him, but his people said, no.
And he was supposed to go to the Carter inauguration.
And so I went and got the guy who got all the girls from UCLA to go to the Playboy Mansion to dress the house for the big parties.
And he was a house sitter or something.
And so I said, I need a house.
And he said, you can use mine.
So now I'm in Hefner's backyard.
And they said, he's coming.
And so the funny thing was is that when he came in, and Valerie did an incredible job of getting Faye Dunaway and other stars, Elliot Gould and stuff, is that when Hefner came in, the girls who were handing out all of the information on Kat, We're all girls that hung out at the Playboy Mansion.
We were all the same age.
We all got our nails done together.
We lunched together.
You know, so he goes, if I would have known you were going to handle it this way, he says, I would have done it at my house.
I get my daughter to do it for the house.
I says, why don't I do one every year?
So I need it next year.
And from then on out, we did fundraisers at the Playboy Mansion.
He picked up the tab for many years.
Wow.
I mean, it's astounding.
And it was privately Supported, too.
Never government money.
Right, that's true.
And the government, I mean, the problem with the government money for me is that, like you, I tell people what I think.
And so they would have always been threatening me with pulling the grants.
Well, isn't your program for, you know, I guess it's a rehabilitation program, isn't it?
It's also a saving.
Well, it's a home.
It's a shelter.
It's not just a building.
It's a home.
I mean, and I still have kids that I've helped, you know, who have tragedies in their life today, who are older, who have their own kids, and I still help them.
So, it's an organization of people.
And talk about your board.
I want you to talk about the organization, because it's just so brilliant how you built it, all without The government having any control, all without CPS, all without any corruption.
Yeah.
No, I don't deal with anybody.
Um, I mean any of those people, but I have all the kids and cause the kids are not going to stay in their homes and follow their rules.
So my chairman of the board is Michelle Martin.
And, uh, Michelle is a young lady that, um, there was a situation called Hotel Hell where we found hundreds of kids living in condemned buildings in Hollywood.
And my outreach team at night, the street team, went in.
They found him.
They pulled him out.
They said, we'll get you medical services.
And it was an eyesore.
And it was a big problem because the police department knew about it.
The kids were living.
There was staff infection.
There was torture.
There was everything going on that you can imagine.
And all the kids ended up on my doorstep.
All the press were there.
The commander called me and said to me, you know, you can't just do this.
And I said, what am I going to do with these kids?
I'm not going to leave them there.
You need to help me.
So, um, city council called me and said, uh, you are not to speak to the press without our permission.
Wow.
Because that don't work for you.
I have nothing to do with you.
I'm going to do what I want to do.
So, um, then they called the police and they told the police to stop me.
And the police said, we're with her.
And so they went and got the Dental Society to give all these kids toothbrushes and toothpaste and they tried to get clothes and all kinds of stuff and work side by side with me.
And then we got them all into the free clinic and got Children's Hospital involved.
And the Assistance League, you know, the little ladies group in Hollywood, they had the Red Cross come in and bring in cots and they allowed us, their staff stayed up with the kids to supervise them so they could sleep there for a couple of nights.
And then church organizations took them, and then one church guy was in showers with them, and I had to pull them out of there.
It's what I worry about.
It's, you know, the people you run into.
Because when you go in to help evil, you're going to pull out evil with it.
Yeah.
Right?
Mm-hmm.
How old were those kids?
Oh, 11 to 17, 11-year-olds who were pregnant by parolees who were, you know, they were older.
But anyway, Michelle, I want to tell you about Michelle.
She was there, and she had been a prostitute, and the police commander who I was close to called me up and said, you know, one of your caseworkers has got a warrant out for her arrest.
I said, really?
Who's that?
And he says, Michelle Martin.
I said, she's not a caseworker.
She's a 15 year old kid who's just full of herself, who's giving an interview and telling the press what's going on.
And he says, well, she's got a warrant out.
And I said, well, let me take her to court tomorrow.
He said, you'll take her?
I said, of course I'll take her.
I'm not hiding criminals.
Let me go take her and clear it up.
And so I went into court and they said, well, will you take her?
And I says, um, what do you mean take her?
Well, can she go home with you?
And I said, well, I guess.
No paperwork.
I never had to sign anything.
It was absolutely amazing.
And so she came home with me and lived with me for quite a while.
And then she worked in the office and she went to the continuation school.
And then she later, I put her in a foster home and then she later ran away from a really good foster home because the woman was just boring.
And she ended up back on the streets.
And she called me one day and she said, you know, I was sleeping in this building and this guy, you know, I woke up, he was on top of me.
And I said, Michelle, that's what happens when you're doing drugs and sleeping on the streets.
I'm a realist.
You know, you can come in, you've got other alternatives, you know that.
You know, so she's, we've been very, very close.
She now has three kids.
She came back in?
Yeah.
And this, I didn't even have a home.
She came back to my house and then she started doing the shelter things.
She went back and forth.
She can get off the streets real quick.
But, uh, so now she's chairman of the board because I think it's appropriate to have someone who's, you know, been through the program.
And, uh, she works for Phillips 66 and they just honored her.
And she did, uh, she did a 60 minutes interview, uh, with me.
Um, cause 60 minutes came along and, And this is another story.
I go to New York and this toy company and they want me, they're going to support, you know, child abuse organizations.
And they put me on TV to promote their toy products.
And they said, wow, we didn't know you were such a good talker.
Then we go to dinner and I said, so what do we do now?
And they said, well, we can't really support you.
It'll look like we're supporting child abuse.
Too much.
How do you figure?
So there was a meeting with some of the other agencies the next morning.
This guy said, I want you to come breakfast with me.
And I'm sitting there having breakfast.
And this woman leans across the table.
And she says to me, my name is Mimi Edmonds.
And I'm with 60 Minutes.
I'm going to do a story on you.
And I was pregnant.
And so we did the story.
And we even included Hugh Hefner and Ronald Reagan.
And it just showed how I just covered the whole map.
And then I was about ready to open a home.
I was raising the money.
I raised $7 million off that appearance.
Wow.
And it ended with Michelle, with Ed Bradley saying, you can't guarantee you won't go back to the streets.
She says, you can't guarantee anything in life.
She says, nope, you can't guarantee it.
And he said he got more hate mail ever in his career for doing that to that little girl.
Don, the man who started 60 Minutes.
Don.
Yeah, I know him.
He's a very famous storyteller.
And the producer said she took him all the films.
She was nervous she didn't have enough kids, because I was protective of filming the kids.
And he said, I don't want to see those kids.
Give me her.
I want to see her.
Give me more of her.
And he really wanted to tell my story, and he did.
And built the home.
And you saved 12,000 kids, you said?
Well, now.
By now, yeah.
I mean, it's even more than that because I'm still helping 500 a year.
I don't, I mean, I know what the numbers are.
I could go back.
Yeah, but that's a lot.
Yeah.
You said last night when we were talking that, uh, I said, do you ever give yourself the space to like absorb that you saved 12,000 lives?
And you said, no, I always feel bad for the ones I lost.
Yeah.
And those are the ones I tend to remember the most.
I mean, I know all of them.
It's, And it's funny because we do this Christmas thing, Christmas party still.
Not really a party, but gifts.
And my staff goes, nobody's calling.
Nobody's calling.
And so I go in the office the next day and they go, what did you do?
And I said, I put Santa Claus on my Facebook page and said, hey kids, where are you?
It's Christmas.
And the phone's ringing off the hook.
Because all of my kids pretty much now have pretty good lives.
Many of them.
And they've got kids.
And they've got kids that are all the IEP.
I have an IEP specialist that will go in and make sure that the school district gives them the services they need.
What's IEP?
Individual Education Plan.
If a child has special needs, you can force the school to give them certain tests.
Right.
And if you have an expert to interpret those tests, you can force the school and you can recommend what kind of placement, even residential care.
Oh, okay.
So, school districts don't like doing it, so they delay it and delay it and delay it.
But we have the top IEP expert.
Can I ask you a question?
You told me something fascinating when you and I had lunch.
Which I didn't know how to take at first because, you know, I don't know if you know this, but in our political sphere, I mean, child trafficking is like the number one issue and talk about all the time and, you know, it's pervasive and deep.
We think there's like an elite pedophile ring.
And you said to me, the numbers aren't that bad.
There's really just like a hundred thousand or something you said to me.
Child prostitutes.
Yeah.
Is there a difference?
Well, one question.
Is there a difference between child prostitutes and child trafficking victims?
Yes.
Okay.
Yes.
What is it?
Well, the difference is the Department of Justice, it's a fundraising difference really.
For the Department of Justice to get money from Congress, had to justify.
They went in originally with child prostitution, but they didn't have enough child prostitutes and they really kind of had to go through me to get to them.
Yeah.
Because those were the good cases.
These pimps are not running, you know, the girl next door necessarily.
Right.
When they got into it and thought what they wanted to do, they had to expand the definition.
So child sex trafficking could be any girl that was molested.
She doesn't have to be a prostitute.
Any girl who was raped as a minor.
Any teenage pregnant girl.
So they created another term called, let's see, C-sex.
Commercially sexually exploited children.
So that encompasses hundreds of thousands of children and that's where they get their numbers.
But now, I'm a researcher and I can't get away from that habit, but so you look it up and you see that they only arrested 2,000 people for prostitution in a year.
Then the only 1,000 of those cases were prosecutable.
Okay, so... And most of them are sex workers.
They're not kids.
Okay.
And some of them are customers.
So my second question, and I'll back off, does that mean the issue is not as prevalent or they're just not really taking care of the problem?
They're not taken care of.
And there could be more that we don't even know about.
You know, I'm dealing with the lowest of the low.
Children that are abducted, you know, I mean, I have helped women, or women have come to me who are adult women, have come from some of the wealthiest families in this country who were molested and raped and tossed aside and not having access to not being named in the will because they want to pretend that they don't exist.
And they want to leave all their money to children and it's really sad because when you're abused that much mental illness goes with it Yeah, so it's an issue of credibility when you're trying to fight these You know cases and to find a lawyer to take that on with no cash up front.
It's very very difficult Epstein Island and that whole thing.
Did you ever come across any of that?
Oh, yeah, I know so many of the victims and Epsteinjustice.org, Nick Bryant's organization, I'm involved in that.
It's all about the victims and about demanding that the names of the customers is revealed.
I think he wrote the Franklin Papers, which is about boys and previous presidential candidates.
And I was contacting the 80s to be the expert witness, because a lawyer was going to civilly sue Epstein.
In the 80s?
In the 80s.
And the Department of Justice went after him to try and take his law license.
So it is.
And friends of mine who were other lawyers and advocates that I'd worked together, they said, you've got to have Lois.
So I said, I'm available.
So the The police chief was so furious that the Department of Justice wouldn't do anything because presidential names are on that list.
All of them, probably.
I don't know how many, but a lot of names are on that list.
Some of the wealthiest people in the country, or in the world, even.
There is an elite trafficking ring.
Oh, no question.
No question.
And so what happened was the chief of police, I think in Fort Lauderdale, was so furious that he prosecuted him, a federal crime, but prosecuted it in state court under the state laws.
And Epstein got prisoned for, I think, 18 months.
But he got work furlough.
So his limo picked him up every morning, took him to his office.
He went up to the penthouse where he probably had all his toys.
And then he went back at night, which was probably all dressed up, as we know you can do if you have money, and you're in prison.
And it went on and on, and he also went to deposition Prince Andrew.
The Queen had moved him out of the country when he got there.
Just lots and lots of cover-up.
He said the only person that helped him was when he called President Trump at the White House, and he picked up the phone.
He said, what do you need?
I'll tell you everything.
And I think that's why they don't like him.
Well, one of the reasons, you know, he's, he's like the whistleblower, but that's all the shame.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's, uh, anyway, thank you for answering that.
That's when you said that to me at lunch, when banks use the term fidelity and trust, which is a bullshit screen for them stealing everybody's money.
So when they say they're working on child trafficking, that's a bullshit screen.
To not do anything about child prostitution.
Exactly.
Which is exactly what's happening in California right now, right?
Right.
Well, it's all over the United States.
But especially in California.
Because you said there's 11-year-old girls in high heels, naked, on Figueroa Street.
And they have 9-year-olds, too.
There was one 9-year-old they found.
In the daytime, performing sex acts P.M.
where, you know, families are driving by.
Right.
In the streets.
No families.
Everything shuts down on that street.
I mean, because there's schools, and there's community centers, and the fences are high, and the lights are out, and they've got, you know, rails on their windows.
They're scared.
But men just come through, one right after the other, to have sex with them.
And the state government knows about this?
Oh, the police are out there.
The police are out there.
But California law just decriminalized prostitution.
Yes.
And now they not only won't arrest child prostitutes, but they won't do nothing to help them either.
Yes, they do.
They pick them up and they turn them over to DCFSs.
Or D.C., D.S.S., whatever you, Department of Children's Services.
Which also prostitutes them.
Well, it happens a lot.
That was my next question.
It happens a lot.
Are those agencies involved?
So it's like, no, the police involved?
No, the child services and C.P.S., we've heard, we've had other whistleblowers on the show.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, certainly we've had kids who've been abused, you know, by those people.
In that system.
In that system.
But do you think about it, you got a 13-year-old girl who's naked, maybe in stilettos, and A social worker's waiting at the police station and takes them, drops them off at a foster home?
Yeah.
Where do you think that child's going?
She's going to the bedroom.
Right.
Right?
Exactly.
And you can't dress her up in pink and blue and say, we're going to go to school tomorrow.
It just doesn't work that way.
She's out the window before any of that happens anyway, unless she grabs what she can steal.
You know, cause the kids will call me when they run from the foster homes and they said, the police are chasing me.
I said, drop what you got.
Probably committing a law, violating a law, but.
Well, their only hope is to find their way to your organization.
Well, but my hands are tied, too.
I can't put them in any shelter.
You can only, the federal law says you can only put them in foster care.
And you're supposed to give the FBI first shot so they can interview them and see if they have a pimp, because then they're going to go on a material witness hold in juvenile hall.
Where they stay in prison as long as they want them there, right?
Yeah, well, until they testify.
No crime, no criminal records, so they're not violating any child right laws.
They say it's for their own protection, they get meals.
But they're just in prison forever.
Yeah, they're with General Powell.
Well, not forever, but for a long time.
Years?
I don't know if anyone's been there for years, but I know kids have been there over a year.
And we had a 13-year-old in Fresno who tried to hang herself 15 times in 30 days and finally went to the judge and said, stupid, let her go.
So they put them in juvenile hall with like crim- In solitary confinement.
Okay.
They don't want anybody talking to them.
Federal government, they don't want any counseling.
They don't want them talking to anybody about their case.
It's all theirs.
Is it ineptitude or is it criminal?
I can understand the argument.
It's all about control.
No, it's control.
They're lazy and it makes their job easy.
I used to have this FBI agent and I said, you're the only one who really lets the kids stay here and you don't worry about it.
She says, I'm the FBI.
You don't think I can find a 16-year-old?
When I need her for court.
And besides, when the kids would call and we'd know where they were and stuff, we'd say, time to come in.
They'd come in to go to court and testify and put away a guy that threatened to kill them.
But that was too informal, too much for them.
The stuff they do, there's been district attorneys who've lost their law license, who've been threatened with jail for faking evidence and stuff, for trumping up these cases.
You're talking about Kamala Harris?
They don't do it.
I don't know anything about her.
She did stuff like that when she was DA of California, but that's another podcast.
I don't know anything about her.
She hid evidence that would have got somebody out because she wanted to keep them in prison.
That's true.
Tulsi called it out, but another episode, sorry.
I'd love to hear that story.
You will be a lot in the next few months.
It's going to come out a lot now that she's in the box.
But do you have any hope?
I have lots of hope.
I have lots of hope because I have so many kids that are making it, you know, and they pick me up every day.
Good.
How can you, well, I know you're working on, setting up your legacy so it continues after we pass our mortal coil because we're in our 70s.
But I just think how can it be replicated in every city and Every town in America.
Well, you know, that's interesting, because that's what Backpage wanted to do, and they were willing to fund it until the government decided that they were the biggest pimps in the whole world, which was not true.
They ran a newspaper that ran free ads.
It was Village Voice, right?
Wasn't it Village Voice?
Well, it was, but they owned Village Voice, and when they sold it, they kept the Backpage, which was just the free press.
And it became, they stumbled on it, they weren't after it to run child sex trafficking, and they stumbled on it and they had all these, you know, pimps trying to advertise kids.
They made the mistake because they were giving all of their cases, the suspects that they thought were pimps, they were trying to use their paper, giving that information to the National Center for Mis- and Exploited Kids, another FBI organization.
And I said, don't do that.
They're going to use it against you.
And I was just a young little blonde girl and these two older men, you know, were very salty businessmen.
And they said, well, who should we give it to?
And I says, you need to give it to the local police.
And so when I told the local police, I said, this is what I got.
I said, because the local police were setting up female cops in hotel rooms and running ads and then waiting for
men to come so they could arrest them.
It was not that much prostitution. They dismantled that whole program because they'd sit, they said most of it was
just dirty talking.
Yeah, you know, so but the local police were able to do some some really good
work and And I took him into New York, and then some politician found out I was in town, and then the inspector general called me the next day and said, we're not meeting with Backpage today.
I said, no, you're meeting with me, and Backpage is on my team.
He said, exactly, because you learn how to talk to get people through the system.
And so we had this meeting with 12 cops, and we had this big screen, and they got to talk to all the kids in the shelter.
And he kept asking, what is it we can say to you when we rescue you from this guy?
And we say, you know, we're going to help you.
You know, why don't you tell us?
Why don't you help us help you?
And the kids really were perplexed and didn't know what to say.
And I said to him, you're asking the wrong question.
And he says, well, what's the right question?
I says, ask her when's the first time she saw a policeman.
When's the first time you met a policeman?
They came to my house and they took my mother to jail for methamphetamine.
They knew that was wrong.
What the mother did was wrong.
But that was the first experience of police officers taking your mother away.
When the second time I saw a policeman, they came to my house and they took my dad away for some other kind of crime.
And what did they say to you?
He asked.
And she says, he didn't say anything.
They left me with my 16 year old brother who was raping me.
And he said, Oh my God, we got to put police officers back in the schools to teach kids, you know, who the heroes are and who can help them.
And so that's, and he got it.
And he called me up.
He said, because they, they had this political problem about dealing with back page.
I said, okay, just do this.
You need information on a guy.
You call me.
I'll call Backpage.
They'll call me.
I'll call you back.
They said, no, no.
We want to do a direct.
So how that would work is they'd be sitting on a guy that they know he's got a child in a motel room, but they don't have enough to go in.
Call in to contact Backpage.
Backpage gives them the ID, all the information you have to have to run the ad.
They run it through their computer, always on parole now.
They can go in.
And they said, we rescued four girls in the first week.
So we really had a program that was really starting and was really going to work.
But it kind of would have run the government, you know, out of business of... Child trafficking?
Child trafficking.
I hate to say it.
No, this is the right place to say it.
I mean, I'm not saying they're child traffickers, but run them out of the business of rescue.
Some of them are.
Of course they are.
Yeah, it's fundraising.
Yeah, it's all reality and trust.
And do you know I have never been invited to testify in front of Congress?
That's crazy.
Ever.
One day I was pulling my hair out as they had all these NGOs.
I'm going to use everything I have to make that happen.
I'm going to use every contact I have to make that happen, including Mothers of America, which they didn't even know that child prostitution or trafficking was an issue.
They were thinking about school lunches.
Yeah.
I introduced them to Kathy O'Brien.
I'm going to introduce them to you.
And now, you know, child prostitution is their number one concern.
Because moms of America really need to wake up to see what's coming.
They are largely middle class, but it's time for the middle class to know what's on their, what's on its way for their kids like it came for the working class kids.
Well, and I've been invited to speak to the Republican Women's Club in Dallas in September.
So it's like there are agencies... Aren't they going there too?
I don't know about that.
Well, I'll come and see you.
I'll tell them to put you on the list.
Yeah, do it.
I'll just come to watch.
I'll be drinking at the table and cheering, yeah baby!
You're funded by a lot of Republicans too, right?
Yes, my support is generally Republican.
Isn't that the way it goes?
Very telling.
Isn't it amazing?
Isn't it amazing?
Not a lot of Democrats.
Like Newsome over there in California, look what he's doing.
Yeah.
Look what he's doing to kids.
They're going to take those kids from their parents.
Look at it.
And put them in the system and traffic them.
That's what I think.
Well, and you know, then get in bed with Monsanto's chemical castration I just, I have no respect for politicians.
It's just, you know, I'm really for term limits and real short ones.
Yeah, like a day?
Yeah, 24 hours.
You were telling me too about these boys that wanted, you know, talking about, when we talk about child prostitutes, we have thing in our mind about the girls and this, but the boys are, it is so tragic.
It's so horrifyingly tragic about these boys that are prostituting themselves to save up enough money to get a trans surgery.
To go to Mexico.
Get it, yeah.
And that they were stealing the girls' birth control pills to try to transform their bodies.
Yeah, we turned around one day and the girls, all their birth control pills were missing.
And the boys had them, you know, to stop the hair growth and soften the skin and whatever else it does.
And, uh, very sad 11 year old boys.
And then we'd call the social workers, sit down with the social workers and the social workers would say, well, and I had a lot of boys living with me at this point.
They said, well, we can't put them in homes because they're fire starters and there's no programs for fire starters.
So what?
Because at that time I smoked and my kids smoked.
Like actual fire starters?
It's not a term.
You mean like arson?
Like burning down houses.
Okay, gotcha.
Yeah.
That's how they classified them.
I didn't know there was lingo or something.
But they just named them.
You label somebody and then they're not eligible now.
You don't have to work with them.
So they just closed the case.
They did a lot of stuff like that to American Indian kids too.
That's where the real genocide's happening.
Native American women disappearing right and left.
They don't even investigate it.
The children stolen from their families.
In Billings, Montana, there was a cop, a real hero as far as I'm concerned, and the pimps from Detroit were going into the Indian reservations and kidnapping the kids and taking them to New York.
And he got death penalty on all of them.
I mean, he got the law changed and everything.
It was really amazing.
And then he calls me up and he's telling me, I say, I know, I know, I know, I know we were on the same page.
An amazing guy.
He did that single-handedly though.
Well, the power of one.
It's amazing.
You're evidence of the power of one.
I was going to say, when I came to the school, that's what I, you know, is that the word?
Yeah, there was a school inside the shelter.
It was a private school.
And I came, and it's funny because now I recognize that had you been a government-funded thing, I could never have done it.
Oh, you would never have been allowed?
Yeah, but I used to bring cartons of cigarettes for the kids.
And they loved it.
They loved me for it.
I'd give them each a carton of cigarettes.
And then the big joke was that it became illegal to give children cigarettes by President Clinton, of all people.
Yeah.
And I said, I can't, we can't do it anymore.
That's a bummer.
So I couldn't have even brought the cigarettes.
Those kids need to smoke.
Unless you want to go to jail.
Oh my God.
What's possible?
I mean.
Cause it's dangerous for them.
That's why they wouldn't do it.
It's insanity.
They just pass.
Those kids deserve to smoke.
They do.
They do nothing to help.
That's the last thing they want to do is help any of these kids.
Now it isn't so.
I wanted you to also tell about when you put forth a common sense solution to the, was it the cardinals or the bishops in the Catholic Church?
That's a great story too.
I became very close, I have very dear friends in the Vatican, women, and one of them was the secretary for the Pontifical Council.
The Vatican, for people who don't know, is its own country.
And so the Pope has a bishop in charge of each country.
And I had suggested that they set up something in all the parishes.
To where that if a child's been molested and the family finds out, just like in any school, that right then and there, it'd be to the advantage of the church to involve a third party, like the police department, let them take the lawsuits, they know how to do this, and investigate it, use the DNA, because some priests are falsely accused, and let's get to the bottom of it right now, rather than let it go on for 20 or 30 years.
She loved the idea.
I'm gonna go tell all the bishops.
Well then, the bishops all hated me.
So I just didn't see that part of the Vatican when I went back.
But there's some wonderful people there that I still work with.
And she then called me just a couple years ago, and she says, they did it, they did it.
She says, they've set it up to where each child can go, the family can go to the archdiocese.
And I said, well, they could have found a more friendly place than the archdiocese, because that's sort of like the institution of the church.
Right.
Progress.
Well, it's progress.
It is progress.
Can you tell one quick story and then, because you told me at lunch, like you're involved with the, not involved with, you had run-ins with the Crips.
Oh, yeah.
Because you said they were heavily involved.
Oh, yeah.
Can you just tell that one story?
Well, let's see.
I just think you're badass.
She is the most badass.
She is, and it's like we got to let people know it's not just government.
We could talk about Crane and one of my, the young women who worked for me.
Who had been on the street before, who I'd rescued from the street.
She's very smart, very accomplished.
And she was working with a detective in the sheriff's department in the gang unit.
And the gang unit had called our offices, and they wanted to know why our phone number was on this phone.
And it turned out that we had the girl that they needed, that the crib was running.
But we lost the girl.
She was back on the streets.
And we said, yeah, we got it.
We got her.
We can find her.
Come to find out, he's all tatted up.
He tattooed his name on the face of 51 girls.
So she went to juvenile hall.
And we always went to juvenile hall and spoke to the kids in a group.
But this time she was just looking for faces that had the tattoo.
She found 13 kids.
So she worked to get them out and get them relocated through just informal contacts through juvenile hall and probation and the police who were helpful.
Then LAPD, she goes to LAPD.
She says, why didn't you do this case?
You've had this case for two years and she's raising hell.
And she walks into some police conference and this cop is up there taking credit for her investigation, her findings.
And she was just devastated because she was young.
It was like the first time that happened to her.
And then the sheriff's department, the gang unit, they were the ones who brought us the case.
Now the FBI gets involved.
And it's very cute.
She comes to my office and she says, um, I need your help.
And I said, what?
She said, well, today LAPD is coming.
It's okay.
She said, the sheriff's are coming.
It's okay.
And the FBI, it's okay.
So I said, we'll sit them down at the dining room table downstairs.
And, uh, so they come in and we sit down.
And we start talking, and they say, where's the kids?
And she says, I relocated them, and they're in safe situations.
And if you need them to testify, get them to testify.
We'll fly them in.
We'll pay for it.
You don't need to know where they are, right?
And the FBI said, no.
You're going to give us the information, and then you're out.
And she said, let me tell you something.
You don't have a case without these kids.
So we're not out.
We're involved.
We're so furious.
She's like 24 years old and just like me, because I raised her.
And LAPD started to say something.
She says, look, you had this case for two years.
You did nothing.
Don't you dare even say anything in this meeting.
She says, if we do the case, we'll do it with the sheriffs.
The agreement was, and I just kind of sat there and just smiled through the whole thing.
I was so proud of her.
And so we decided to do the case with the sheriffs.
The sheriff's kind of new to the human trafficking at that point.
So the sheriff sits in some other different county and the guy has gone through human trafficking school, the prosecutor.
You know, they have all this human trafficking training.
They don't know anything.
Right, of course not.
Anyway, he's going to do the case.
And so the sheriffs go down and talk to him.
They talk to the prosecutor and the guy agrees to wear a undercover microphone, um, and to go out and set up all the, the pimps, the crip pimps in Compton.
Um, if they give him only six years, cause this is his third strike, he was going to jail for life and they agreed.
Thanks to Biden.
And he, and, and they agreed, the prosecutor agreed to it.
Sheriffs go back to the sheriff's station to get their audio equipment and stuff, and they go back to hook him up and do their little sting, and they say to the DA, where is he?
She says, well, I gave him the six years, he's in prison.
Why?
He said, well, he hasn't done anything yet.
They said, but he agreed to it.
But he hasn't done anything yet.
Do you think he's going to do something now?
He conned you!
So it's like, ugh!
It's really hard to bring new people to the game, particularly if they don't want to listen to you because you're women.
And no matter how much you know, they'll never give you credit for what it is.
So it's just a bundle.
It's really been bungling to have all these new people come to the trafficking who don't know.
Because the only people who really know, in my opinion, are vice cops.
The ones who are out there in the car, in those shabby cars.
They're dirty.
Their hair is unkempt.
Oh, thank you.
Unkept.
And driving around in Stark.
Well, the only people that know the game are people who live the game.
Well, and they live the game, too.
They're part of the game, too.
Yeah, they are.
Sorry, you told me the crypts know who you are, is what I was getting at.
Yeah, I just think that's so... You're not scared?
No, I post stuff on their Facebook.
Yeah?
They like you?
They like her.
Why?
Well, I don't know if they like me that much, but I mean, the thing is, is I'm part of the game.
I mean, for Snoop Dogg to call up, you know, and say he's gonna be the MC for my 25th anniversary, you know, and I did this interview with this black woman reporter, and she really wanted to lay out Snoop Dogg.
And I didn't really have anything against him.
And I said, you really want to get him?
And she said, yeah.
It's okay.
So we're doing the interview and stuff.
And she says, and tell me about Snoop Dogg.
I said, well, he's a federal snitch.
She said, what?
I said, yeah.
I says, how else do you get your charges dropped taking a gun through an airport?
That's true, right?
So, that was my little tip for that.
Well, everybody in Hollywood is a federal snitch.
Pretty much.
Right?
That's the truth.
Everybody who, you know, this is what I found out, all the stories in the Enquirer are given by even more guilty stars, and they trade on, oh, here, I got something on my friend, here's a good story.
The inside thing is from Guilty stars who turn in their friends for a story because all about the story.
Well, we won't write about you This is like Bill Cosby for 30 years.
Yeah, he turned in everybody else to get himself out So did OJ so did you know and P Diddy's done the same thing?
Yeah, but they're all fed up, you know, I mean there are fires confirmed that he was a snitch No, it's not like a secret.
Yeah wonder why they turned on him then.
I He must have stopped snitching.
I think he was snitched because he had very famous people in his house, and so he was giving them all the information, and they got the information they wanted, and they said, oh, no more.
Your turn.
It's everybody's turn all the time.
I mean, nobody gets away forever.
Yeah, you don't really play with these people, you know?
Who do you think is, well, I think, yeah, it's just, it's all the game.
It's all 100% the game.
It's all a pimp game.
Pimps up, hoes down.
Yeah.
All the way to the State Department.
And they don't ever listen to women.
I mean, women are always suspect.
Well, and they still don't get promoted in positions of control and stuff, I mean.
Well, unless they have a penis.
Some of them do!
Those women get all the rewards.
And then there are those who sleep their way to the top.
Like Kamala?
I'd say she blew her way to the middle.
But uh, yeah, that's infuriating.
Yeah.
Isn't it?
Yeah.
But uh, oh my God.
Do you think it's all gonna crumble or what?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm scared.
It's the oldest business in the world.
I'm scared that the whole society is collapsing.
Yeah, it is.
Well, it is.
The crime is outrageous.
We didn't have enough crime against children in this country.
Now they have to import violent pedophiles and sadistic murderers.
Yeah, I'm really scared.
I don't like that.
I don't like the fact that single moms Um, got three kids go without meals so they can feed their kids.
They have to go to three grocery stores so they can afford their groceries.
One of the most heartbreaking things in my work was when the pandemic hit for girls who were, had jobs and they were doing well and they had kids and they're divorced.
They were on their own basically.
And they called me and they said, I'm just thinking about going back into prostitution just a little bit.
Um, so I can get through this till we get through this.
And I said, what do you need?
She said, I can't pay my rent.
How much is it?
I set up a rent program because to keep someone out is a lot cheaper than to get someone out.
And of course, once you've done that, it's always back there as an option when you're desperate.
But it also speaks to children in the night and the kind of relationship with my kids that they call me and talk about those things.
Because who else are you going to call?
Are you going to call your social worker and say, I'm thinking about doing this?
It's so sad.
Another thing that was really touching to me was to hear you talk about the first time they realized they have a safe bed in a safe house.
Yeah.
Many stories about them coming into the shelter and it was so immaculate and well organized and so many resources.
They were taken to the clothes closet, given new tennis shoes, because Nike was our biggest donor, and jeans from the design center.
and uh given something to eat and said this is the time of meals this is where you'll go to school and they'd go in there and they'd say these people are going to shit me off you know the next 24 hours and then they'd finally get comfortable and they said they'd be taking their shower and just sobbing oh god thank you thank you god and then i wanted you to talk about too how you gained their trust when you were talking about uh How you'd call bullshit and people had to leave if they violated your trust.
And the kids would see that you were not bullshit.
Oh, they came to me because of a staff person or something?
Yeah.
I'm very well known among the Department of Children's Services as a running a child-centered program.
What my kids said went.
And I would, you know, what do they say, ask and verify?
So, you know, they'd come and they'd tell me stuff.
And then I'd say, okay, I got it.
And they said, no, I got it.
I got it.
And I was very good at handling it.
And they had tremendous respect for me because of that.
I had two girls come to me one time and said they were scared.
And I said, why?
And they said, well, we're going to the movies tomorrow.
And this other girl came in with a cell phone.
She called her pimp.
And they're going to come and they're going to grab two of us.
And she picked us out.
I said, no, she's not.
And I said, I got it.
And they said, no, I got it.
Just trust me.
And the next morning, when everybody was ready, I told a couple of staff people that were taking the kids out.
And the next morning, when it was time, they had breakfast.
Everything was usual.
It was time to go.
They were all dressed.
I said, you have to have tennis shoes for the movie theater, because lots of germs.
We had good lights.
And then they came out, and they were ready to go.
And I said, guess what?
And they said, what?
I said, you're going to Disneyland.
And we put them in a van, took them to Disneyland, safest place in the whole world.
And, um, and they go to Disneyland and the one girl who was going to meet her pimp went out the door.
And they just, you know, it was brilliant.
It was, and it was just easy.
I just, I had a knack for it and how to do it, knew when to do it.
And, uh, and they knew they could trust me.
Do you want to talk about that John Walsh thing?
I don't want to talk about that.
His daughter, um, Megan, I don't know if you've run into her.
We're probably going to have her on some day, but between you and I, I'm not, I'm Sure, how to verify everything.
Do you know about Joan?
She doesn't know about that, but she does know that he brought his... Well, he wasn't physically there, but it was his show.
He wasn't there, but his show... America's Most Wanted.
Tracy went after him.
Tracy and I had a bunch of friends who were doing a show, and every time they're doing the show, he's going, what are you going to do about that little girl?
And they were doing a show for LAPD.
And my kids were teenage girls.
They're in gated property, but they're on the deck and they're waving to the actors.
It's exciting for them.
Hanging out their windows.
One of our girls takes her sheets and ties them together and goes down and gets in the car with the guy.
An actor?
An actor.
And another guy comes in and has sex with one of our girls.
Oh my God.
And I end up calling, and my street team is coming, it's two o'clock in the morning, it's coming back from the streets, and they saw them, they said, oh you guys are in so much trouble.
So they came in, they called the police, the police came out.
The guys ran, they issued the warrants, it got all twisted.
The one police officer who had taken the dress to the sex crimes place or something, he got in a lot of trouble.
Because it was the powers to be.
And they didn't want to prosecute it because they were prostitutes.
And they said they were willing participants.
But weren't they underage?
Yeah, they were underage.
So we ended up, I made him file it anyway, and a friend of mine who runs political campaigns called the D.A.
and said, you don't know who you're messing with.
You do this.
You make sure this is filed.
You'll lose your job.
So we went down to the D.A.' 's office for the court date, and the D.A.'
's assistant district attorney separated her from me and said, you know, you don't have to do everything Lois tells you.
You don't have to testify.
She says, no, I want to.
And she got up and she testified.
And the judge gave them, I think, a thousand dollar fine and some community service.
Sick me.
And for child rape.
We talked about it and I called John Walsh and told him.
And so did Tracy when she went and did a show.
And I had called him and I'd said, you know, I wrote him a letter or something and said, least you could do is put together a scholarship for this little girl.
You know, it's not an admission of guilt or anything.
But every once in a while I'll see him at a law enforcement conference and he walks by me and his head's like this, he can't look at me.
What happened when you called him?
Because there were actors he had hired?
I said, this is going to be a blemish on your reputation because they're your actors and you should, you know, bear some responsibility and do something about it.
You know, I said you could contribute or something.
And you never heard another thing.
That's how it is in Hollywood.
It's not just him.
It's like, you know, we have to protect.
It's like the operation.
We're in mass formation.
We have to protect the operation.
Well, there's talk about him being involved in trafficking.
Well, I mean, you know, that's the CPS and the missing children thing.
I mean, they all are blemished.
They all have, you know, because where do pedophiles go?
They go where there's kids.
And what a great cover!
Yeah.
Well, that saying, the safest place for the devil to hide is in church.
Yeah.
I mean, really?
And then they have the authority of that behind them when they molest.
But I mean, something about just the out-of-control pandemic of this molesting and destroying children in America, incest, You know, just the whole pedophile thing is so out of control and yet it's invisible at the same time.
That is proof of mass formation mind control.
The other part of it is there's such a stigma.
And how the perpetrators are not punished anymore, especially in California.
Right.
They're given like a month.
Not even a month.
You know, I mean, You know, with our DA in Los Angeles, that just has to change, that nobody's going to jail for anything.
And he's been recalled so many times and can't get past him.
So there's an election and everybody's hopeful that we can get him out, but we'll see.
Because he doesn't prosecute anybody.
Well, he's a Soros plant.
That's what they say.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But especially they don't prosecute or jail child rapists.
What a way to destroy an entire country.
A community, yes.
A humanity.
I think it's by design, personally.
I think it's intentional.
Well, that goes back to the Franklin case, right?
Yes.
Everybody should read about the Franklin case, right?
The Franklin papers.
What's that?
That was the Republican, I think people were in office, and that was Boys Town.
Boys Town.
Boys Town.
A lot of boys, a lot of boy prostitutes in Washington, D.C.
A lot of clubs where boys, you know, dance.
And, you know, diplomats have immunity, so they can't arrest them.
Well, now they just do it right in Congress.
The page.
You remember that?
Yeah.
Yeah, he looked like he'd been there before.
She's talking about children.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I said he looked like he'd been there a while.
But anyway.
It's everywhere.
Yeah.
But you know, it's interesting because when I was in Europe and Italy, I could not convince people that it existed in their own country.
It was just amazing.
And then That movie came out, I can't remember, it was on cable.
It was an Italian name of a young, two middle-class Italian girls that ended up with these organized crime guys in a club.
And they said, well, that's just one case.
France, the same thing.
I named off their presidents.
I said, what do I have to do, go see them?
I think they know where they are.
Because both their presidents were involved in sexual harassment, sexual stuff.
So, okay, let's end with talking about your organization.
I love that your whole board of directors are people... Well, not my whole board that exists now, because running a non-profit is a heavy business.
You need to have, you know, CPAs, you need to have business people.
And there's only five of us.
I keep it very small so we stay away from politics.
But my alumni board are all people who have gone through That's amazing.
the Children the Night program. And they have PhDs and they're first responders, firefighters,
bankers, finance, teachers, therapists. And we've put together a scholarship fund and there's an
application on our website and we're already getting the people that are coming through
faking it, you know, to try and apply for scholarship funds.
And I'm still in the meetings with them.
They're going, how do we tell?
How do we tell?
I says, it's okay.
Let us just grow.
And fortunately, I just said, one of my other friends who's been with me for a number of years, who's on the board, and she's bringing two other people that lived in the shelter.
And they said, I said, just, we have to build, you know.
The deal is, if you're on the board, then your children or you cannot have a scholarship.
There has to be no conflict of interest.
But it's really coming together.
I'm very proud of them.
So great.
Is there a place for people?
Because if it's private donation, is there somewhere people could donate that want to help?
Do you have a website?
Childrenofthenight.org.
And you can specify what you want your contribution to go to.
If you just want to do general operating, wherever you need it most.
I want it for a scholarship.
And I do have people that donate just to scholarships.
And I have discretionary money.
You know, when you get those 20, 30, 40 PayPal donations, that's discretionary funds, so you can use that.
As long as it's program purpose.
And we don't have a lot of scholarships, and we do things.
We had one young lady who was working at the airport with luggage.
And she wanted to get her own little business going as a side hustle and she wanted to go to eyelash school.
We paid the $600 for eyelash school.
It was a big deal.
And we bought her equipment and she now has a salon.
She works in a salon.
It's amazing.
So, you know, it's, but nobody else would do that.
Where would you go to get, you know, to get someone to do that?
So, but this group understands it and boy, they can smell a rotten egg in a minute.
It's so great.
It's like the, uh, gifting of, of, uh, Self-respect to children who never would have had the opportunity to grow it in any other way.
God, that's a healing of the world.
It's really the most important work there is if you really boil it down.
What you're doing is the most important thing.
And has done for how many years now?
50, no 40.
50?
Reagan yeah, it was in the 80s, 79 Carter.
79 Carter, so yeah, 40 plus years, right?
This is our 45th year.
Wow.
And so, the scholarship fund will be a lot more active in our 50th year.
Well, they keep going.
You know, I'm in.
Whatever you can use me for, I'm in.
You know, ready, willing, and able.
Before, when I was so involved, it'd just break my heart.
I couldn't take it.
I know.
You know, one of the most interesting things we do that you would love, if you ever have a chance to attend, is we have an online tutoring program.
Oh, cool!
We tutor kids for the GED.
I took a GED!
All you have to do is commit two hours a week.
And have a mobile device and Wi-Fi.
And we help sometimes with Wi-Fi or mobile devices.
And we'll send you out pretty quickly.
If you could read.
If you're a proficient reader, you can pass three of the tests.
The math's always the hardest.
And so you send them out right away and they go, oh my god, all I have to do is the math?
Because you can take it multiple times.
And so then you focus on just the math.
Because our kids, you know, they give up easy because they've had such failure in their life.
So many roadblocks.
And then we do a graduation party for them.
And we fly them in from all over the country, put them up at the Sheridan Hotel at Universal Studios.
They get to go to Universal.
We have restaurants on City Walk who donate their food.
We have caps and gowns and we have our special volunteers, the Warner Brothers, come in and
play the graduation music.
Invite just our major donors to come in and it's just a real tear-jerking moment.
And they come up, and they get their diploma, and they have their graduation headshots, and it's, you know, they just said, I just never thought I'd ever be here.
I just never thought this would happen for me.
And then you continue with helping with, you know, resumes and jobs and higher education.
So, it's really an amazing, amazing time.
And we do that about once a year.
That's awesome.
You are an amazing woman.
For real.
You know, where does the strength come from?
I don't know.
I was born with it.
You know, sometimes you don't have control over the life God gives you.
You know, I was not going, I was going to live at the beach.
My mother used to say, she'll never work.
She's going to school so she doesn't have to work.
Cause I just, that was not in me.
I wanted to live at the beach and teach college and have my summers off and all those holidays and just never got back there.
Plus I have, um, Thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of newspaper articles and photographs and videos all the video shows we did with you that we've archived and That's going to go probably to the Fuller Theological Seminary Who has a clinic who did all these psychiatric evaluations on our kids that had real severe problems and their students have done PhD dissertations Comparing you love this comparing
Using the test that psychiatrists use on child abuse victims, using the same test on prostitute kids to measure executive functioning and survival techniques and self-esteem and everything, and you would really be shocked at the difference between the two populations.
And because these kids have got high levels of executive functioning, I mean, they can They know how to manipulate out of a situation, skills they've had to learn on the street, that kids that are child abuse victims don't even have the self-esteem for.
So, we're learning a lot from that.
That's fascinating.
And so that was the place I really wanted it to go, because, and I insist, in all the research, that they use the word prostitutes, and they do, I'm on those committees.
How do you keep... Well, yeah, because they have to develop The sixth and seventh sense to go, okay, I assess that that's the highest level of mentality when you're, you're, you're not, you know, victims whine and cry and blame, but a victor assesses the situation.
Street smart.
Yeah.
And it makes, okay, I can go out this door.
I can, and that's what they know.
And no, and they're, they've never been able to access That in themselves, and you gave them that.
Well, they had that skill.
That came from being a prostitute.
Yeah, I know, but I mean, to give them a viable way to access it, to help humanity and the world, I mean, look at it.
It's a resource that isn't even looked at for development.
This data doesn't exist anywhere in the world, because these are kids who voluntarily went for the assessments because they wanted to know what was wrong with them.
So they're not kids that were interviewed in jail or given a questionnaire or anything.
They really worked at all of their tests and talking.
They love their therapist.
I mean, so you just don't have that kind of raw data anywhere.
Yeah.
How do you keep from going crazy with all the dark stuff you've seen?
Focusing on the light stuff?
Yeah.
The dark stuff becomes routine.
Yeah, you just rise above it.
I couldn't do it.
Well, it's just routine.
This is what needs to be done.
And then I can only do so much because the participant calling me has to do their end of it too.
It's dark.
Well, if more women were like you, we could, you know, That's what I think we're going to do.
I'm already working on it.
I'm already working on this called New America.
And we set up a new country based off the Constitution of the United States of America.
I think it's going to happen.
It has to happen.
Because this one's gone.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think enough smart, I always say enough smart women could turn anything around.
Yeah, but they have to be empowered.
Well, so many of them aren't.
Right.
You know, or they buy into it, you know, by making their movements middle class so that they can be acceptable.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, it used to be, if you were a feminist, you were either a lesbian or a minority woman.
Right.
And I remember back in when I was in college when Flo Kennedy and, uh, do you know Flo Kennedy?
Okay.
She was my mentor and is an activist.
And my first television interview was following her and, I didn't really know her and she went up for me and she said, on national news, I don't know what the big problem is.
Nobody's ever died from a blowjob.
And then it was my turn.
I couldn't even talk.
And the TV people said, you could have cited some research.
I said, yeah, well, next time I'll know.
But no, I stayed in her apartment in New York and we paint the signs and she She'd drive her cab up and down the street as we were marching.
It was really fun.
She was really amazed.
She used to call me Little Lo.
But anyway, Flo Kennedy.
What's the name of the woman who founded the Ms.
Movement?
Gloria Steinem.
Gloria Steinem did the college lecture circuit.
And so everybody was considered either a minority or a lesbian.
And I guess some guy in the audience at college asked them, um, are you lesbians?
And Flo said, are you the alternative?
I remember that line.
That was a great line.
I've used that as a slam.
She was fabulous.
But you know, but then it moved on to be, you know, a middle-class movement, you know, prostitutes are not part of it.
Lesbians had to really fight like hell to become part of it.
I mean, I think there's still a little tiff and all that.
There's a big tiff in all of it.
It's no longer middle class to me.
I think it's...
I don't care about middle class women anymore.
I don't care about working class.
I certainly don't care about the lower classes.
It's just an elitist party to say, look how great we are.
that are, I always say, they're ruining everything now.
And they've co-opted the feminist movement.
That's another podcast.
Well, they just went pure commie.
They just went pure commie.
Well, they don't care about middle-class women anymore.
They don't care about working class.
They certainly don't care about the lower classes.
So it's just an elitist party to say, look how great we are.
And they all sniff each other's farts at parties and have some chardonnay.
No offense to either one of you, but that's what I mean.
That's what I see.
So it's really sad.
Well, middle-class would be a great thing.
I, I, I, I'm just proud of you for inventing a cure and a solution and you know, long may it wave.
And I hope it, I hope the sparks of your intelligence and the, and the women who've learned from you explode across this country.
Well, it's a 24-7 job.
Find someone willing to make that commitment.
That's the hard part.
And find someone who'll be honest about it and committed to it.
There's a lot of people that come and they say, I want to be you.
I've had a lot of interns come through.
They don't want to work.
They want to do television shows.
Childrenofthenight.org is the website if you want to.
There might be some women out there who hear what we said here today and go, okay, I could do it.
I can leave the beach.
I do see small groups of Christian women setting up homes.
Those are where most good homes are right now.
Taking in six kids.
Yeah, I see that.
They've had trouble with the state in terms of getting a license.
I had a couple women who came to me, I think they're from Texas, and I said, they won't give you a license?
And she said, no.
And I said, what's the woman's name?
We called her up, told her who I was, and I said, no, why can't we have a license?
She said, oh, we can get a license, we just need to fill out this form.
I said, good, you'll send that to me now?
You know, so the more I can use my power to help those individuals do their own thing.
Yeah, that's what I want to see.
Because it's real easy to get people to come in and say, well, I want your job, I'll take over the six million.
I just, we ain't doing that.
The money's going to the kids.
It's going to go to scholarships, it's going to go to help them for as long as I live.
And thereafter.
Well, that's cool that, you know, There's Christian women out there organizing everywhere.
Moms of America are like that, too.
They're Christian women that want to organize and do the right thing.
You know, you just have to tell people what's really going on.
Right.
And you have to tell them how to deal with it, you know?
Yeah.
They get so scared and intimidated by these kids and they don't realize they're like any other kid.
You have to sit them down and go, no, we're not going to do that here.
Right?
Yeah.
And to be strong enough, I guess in your faith and your will, That you can, you know, tell a kid no, and that's hard.
It's real hard, and sometimes they hate you for it.
But you know, she's vice president of operations now, but she was the teacher for 22 years, I think, in the classroom at the shelter.
And she's a helpful witness.
She's very sweet.
She's very quiet.
She's very strong.
And I'd walk down the hallway and I'd see a kid sitting in the hallway writing.
And I said, what are you writing?
I will not shout out in Ms.
Ventura's class.
I will not.
A hundred times.
People came from around the world to say, how do you get these kids, you know, to sit in school?
I control their food.
I control what time they wake up, what time they go to bed, what they do during the day.
And make sure that they, you know, they have entertainment, that they have social interaction.
Right.
Because you're helping them focus their mind.
That's the big war, isn't it?
They're having, you know, too much idle time.
And then, you know, idle time makes way for bad people to come in and help you unfocus your mind.
And they know they're protected.
I mean, you know, I'm not going to put up with anything.
Yeah, they know that they're safe with you.
Yeah.
Well, I love you.
I love you too.
It's been a long time.
Yeah.
And I remember, you know, how we met.
And that was when Tracy called me and said, what's going on?
And I said, I don't know how I'm going to make payroll.
I don't know how I'm going to keep it open.
She said, I think I can help.
And next thing I knew, you called me and took care of us for a month.
It was a very, very generous donation.
It was one of our biggest.
And I'll never, ever forget you for that.
Well, I was happy to do it.
I'm happy to do it again and to, uh, Help spread it, because it's the only hope.
Your vision is the only hope for our country and our children and to keep them out of the government's hands.
Yes.
So, God bless you.
Thank you for being on the show.
It was wonderful to hang out with you.
It was really great hanging out with you, too.
Wasn't it, Bob?
You're a remarkable, remarkable human.
Thank you.
Pleasure meeting you.
Thank you so much.
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