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Aug. 9, 2024 - The Roseanne Barr Podcast
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The last Democrat RFK Jr. | The Roseanne Barr Podcast #60
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Greetings earthlings and humans and all sentient beings as well as all animals who love the sound of my voice.
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And, um, welcome to the Roseanne Barr podcast.
Well, today's show is going to be one of the biggest bubba bubba bubba bangers we've ever had.
We're so excited.
It's more than a banger.
It's a boom-boom-boom banger.
We have such a great guest, somebody that I have admired my entire life, and even before this life, I think.
But just a great person, RFK Jr.
Hi, RFK Jr.
Hey, Roseanne.
Thank you so much for having me.
The admiration is mutual.
You've had an amazing life and you've created an amazing life.
You have a life that God gave you, which was just, you know, it was interesting.
And you have a life that you made up for yourself, which is heroic.
So thank you.
Well, that's so sweet.
That is very touching to me.
You are... I don't even know where to start, but we'll just converse and see where it goes, because I know it's going to go to some big places.
You're somebody I've wanted to talk to for a very long time, and I've watched all your other interviews, and I'm always amazed at the spectacular Amount of knowledge you've got in that brain of yours and how you remember it all, I don't know, but yet you do.
And I forget my wallet and my keys every time I leave the house.
Are you on the autism spectrum at all?
No, I'm not.
I think I'm the opposite of that.
I'm very conscious of my surroundings.
I think I'm very intuitive about what other people are thinking and how people react to me.
So there are some things that my wife would like me to be more conscious of.
But I think I came around at a time when autism was very rare in my generation.
Which is 70-year-old men.
It's about 1 in, depending on what studies you read, it's about 1 in 2,500 to 1 in 10,000.
And my kids' generation, which you're much closer to.
I'm older than you.
So smooth.
That was very flattering.
It's 1 in 34.
That was very flattering.
I know.
It's one in 34.
I know.
Some of the states that really have granular data, it's down to one in 22 boys.
So it's very, very alarming, that explosion.
I do want to go into that and we'll discuss what we think causes it.
I've read that you've said that you're on the spectrum, but I would never have made that diagnosis having the little that I know of you.
Well, and this is why I thought to ask you because it's kind of like a dog that has a bone and they don't let go of it until they've picked off every piece of meat on it.
You know, you just research and Autists in these days that are a lot of anonymous and a lot of researchers, they want to know why, and so they dig, dig, dig deeper, deeper, deeper, and they don't let go of that bone until they're satisfied with the information that's not readily available.
Well, I have that.
Yeah, I thought you did.
Yeah, I definitely have that.
It's a need to know, a want to know, and the desire to do the footwork to uncover it.
So that's why I thought it kind of described you to a T, because the stuff that you tell us about autism itself and the kind of forced vaccinations of our children, how that kind of coincidentally increased at those same times.
You had to dig really deep into medical information to find that, and so that's why I thought you were like a dog with a bone on that one.
Yeah, I mean, I do have that, and that may be, I think I may be a little ADHD, because I have very good concentration, and when I'm Focused on something, it is irrelevant what's going on around me, the chaos around me.
My wife needs to get everything kind of calm and neat before she can focus.
I have 11 brothers and sisters, 11 of us all together.
I was raised in a very chaotic environment and I can focus very easily through that chaos.
It's interesting.
My uncle, President Kennedy, when he was a young senator, he met his wife, Jackie Bouvier, and he met her.
She was a reporter for a newspaper and she did these kind of profiles of famous figures and people met in the street.
And she asked, in her first interview with my uncle, She asked him what he thought his best quality was.
She thought he was going to say courage, because he had been a war hero.
He was the only president who's won the Purple Heart.
And then he had written a book and won a Pulitzer Prize for Profiles in Courage, which was about a group.
It was about a series of stories about Political leaders, mainly senators and congressmen, who had made life-changing choices that they knew were against their political interests, but were in the interest of our country.
And they torched their political careers by doing something that was morally correct.
So she assumed that he was going to say courage was his greatest asset, but instead he said curiosity.
And I've thought about that a lot because I think that's what allowed him to be a peacemaker.
He was able to put himself In the shoes of Khrushchev, of Castro and others, and understand their motivations were rational motivations for making the choice that they made, rather than kind of these ideological constructs that are rooted in tribalism, where you just say, everybody on that side is, you know, is dehumanized and evil.
He just didn't believe that about people.
He believed that Whatever was happening in the Kremlin was a lot what was happening in Boston, you know, in the local political scene where people were conniving against each other, where there was a ferment of different opinions, of different ambitions, of different agendas, and that it was not monolithic, which is what the CIA was telling them.
And actually, at that time, the CIA knew nothing of what was happening in the Kremlin because there was a mole at Langley.
So every time they turned a high-level Soviet official, he'd instantly be killed.
So the CIA was just making up their view of what was happening in the Kremlin because they had no inside information.
Why were they doing that?
It seems like it's still going on too.
Was that just You make these comic book depictions that this guy is pure evil, and he wants world conquest.
He's another Hitler, whether it was Castro, Saddam Hussein, Putin, Khrushchev, whatever.
And then they sell that to the public and they frighten people.
And then, as you know, once people are scared, it disables their capacity for critical thinking.
They're easy to manipulate.
That's why they inflict trauma after trauma after trauma since, you know, way before 9-1-1.
But since then, it's almost continuous.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
Fear and tribalism are are the primary mechanisms for manipulating large populations.
And it's not accidental because the CIA spent hundreds of billions of dollars studying how to manipulate individuals and populations.
There was a series of programs at the end of the 1940s.
The CIA was started in 47.
But in the 50s, they launched the first ones were called Operation Bluebird and Operation Artichoke.
Yep.
And in the latter days, they became the MK programs.
MK-Ultra, MK-Naomi, MK-Dietrich and a bunch of others.
The MK stands for Mind Control.
Right, I know that.
And they were figuring out how to manipulate individuals.
Well, didn't it come from Operation Paperclip.
Yeah.
They brought the Nazis over who had, you know, done all of these mind-control experiments on captive populations in their concentration camps.
And they've kept detailed accounts of how a mother would choose which child to die.
I mean, it's so nefarious.
And they came over and took over our medical... They started the CIA.
The SS...
They came over and that's where the CIA kind of came from, because it had another name, I can't remember it, but they incorporated Nazi techniques in their mind control.
Yeah, there was a revulsion throughout early, until 1940, there was a revulsion Among both Democrats and Republicans were secret police organizations.
They thought that those were inconsistent and antithetical to democracy.
So they knew, you know, Iran had SAVAK, the East Germans had the Stasi, the Germans had the KGB, the Nazis had the Gestapo, and those were associated with totalitarian systems.
And most American politicians believed that.
It was that any secret police organization would be destructive to a democracy.
And so after World War II, OSS, which was originally created to recover pilots who were lost, you know, who were shot down to get them out of the way and to recover them, or who were shot down over France or over the ocean or whatever, to spirit them back across enemy lines.
And then it became an intelligence organization, but after World War II it was disbanded because they thought this is a toxic system and we cannot afford it in a democracy.
And then Truman reluctantly let it get started in 1947 because they realized they had the nuclear bombs and that using those in war would be devastating.
And so they didn't want a hot confrontation with the Russians, and they were fighting these brushfire rebellions all over the developing world, fighting between the communist and capitalist systems, the West and the East, and they didn't want to use the nukes, and they didn't want to deploy a standing army.
So they thought the shortcut would be through an intelligence agency, and they created the CIA.
But originally, the CIA was created as As an espionage organization, which means intelligent gathering and analysis.
It was not a Dirty Tricks.
There was no clandestine services.
It was not supposed to be used on fixing elections.
It wasn't supposed to be used on any American citizen.
No, that too.
That's in its charter.
But they then, and you're absolutely correct, the first mission in 1947 The first mission that the CIA was given was Operation Paperclip, which was otherwise called the Ratlines, which is the spiriting, high-level Nazi officials, and particularly people with scientific knowledge, people who had worked on the missile programs, people who worked on poison gas, on biological weapons, etc.
to spirit them. And a lot of those people, the Nuremberg prosecutors wanted them and the CIA
was giving them new identities so they wouldn't be indicted and put on trial in Nuremberg and
they were sneaking them over here. They populated Fort Detrick with them. Fort Detrick was the lab
laboratory in Maryland where they were developing chemical and biological weapons and then they
brought a lot of them out to New Mexico, etc. to work on the nuke program and the missile program.
And they also were bringing the same kind of people over from Japan, because there was a whole other system there.
And the culture at Fort Detrick and in that part of the CIA to this day reflects a lot of the ethics and moral underpinnings and assumptions of those original Nazi progenitors who had such influence on the program.
Well, because, you know, because they, I don't know how to say it, but they do practice a kind of a fake science because it doesn't Because real science doesn't use captive populations, does it?
Well, you could do science with, you know, human experimentation and it actually... But isn't that against the whole genealogy thing?
Yeah, it's against... I mean, it's against all of our values as a country.
The reason they wanted the Germans and the Japanese is that they were using... It was a shortcut to really good data.
Because if you're experimenting on rats and monkeys, The data is not as high quality.
And it actually, in the Japanese, the Japanese were publishing all their data and they were
doing, they did, they did experiments.
They had human experiments on 10,000 people who they killed.
They actually, they would give them certain diseases and then they would do live vivisections.
Right.
So they wanted to see what the disease was doing in a living person.
And so they would give them black plague or they'd give them cholera or yellow fever or any of these other deadly diseases.
And then they would, without anesthetic, they would dissect them alive.
And they did that with thousands and thousands.
I wrote a book about it called The Wuhan Cover-Up.
The Japanese perfected it more than anybody, and they were involving all the medical schools and all the universities in these experiments.
All the doctors in Japan were implicated, as they were in Germany.
Right.
And they would publish their data, but they would use a code word If they were doing experiments on monkeys, they'd say it was a colobus monkey, or it was a langur monkey, or it was a spider monkey, or it was a rhesus monkey.
But if they just used the word monkey without the species name, it was a human.
And that's the code they were using to hide from the public that they were actually using humans.
But any place in the scientific literature of that era, if it just says monkeys, it was actually Mainly Chinese, Manchurians, and Russians that they had captured, and some Americans.
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Man, that's mind blowing.
I just want to let that sit for a minute for people to digest it.
Um, and the Germans had done it, you know, Of course the Germans.
William Shearer's book, which is The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, has a whole chapter on those experiments, and they're extraordinary.
It's heartbreaking to read.
It is.
But there was a chapter that stuck with me for some reason, which is The Germans were particularly interested in cold weather war because they were fighting the Russians and they wanted to understand if somebody's near frozen to death, what's the best way to revive them?
At what point does it become irreversible?
How severe does the exposure have to be?
So they would capture Russians or, you know, other soldiers from the other side.
And they were, or, you know, of course they were using Jews and gypsies and other unwanted, what they called useless eaters.
Yeah.
To do these experiments in the concentration camps, but they were also using prisoners.
And there's one, there's one experiment that he describes in that book where they put these two Russians in a cold bath.
I saw it.
Filled with ice.
And then they just watched them to see how long it would die.
And that the Russians, they were shocked about how tough they were.
And the Russians would, just would last forever in this, this cold ice where everybody else would die within an hour.
The Russians would last overnight, two days, whatever.
And they, you know, they'd be talking to each other and they recorded their conversations.
And it's, you know, it's really, It's a, it is heartbreaking and just riveting to read, you know, how brave they were and how matter of fact they were about their own deaths and about the suffering they were undergoing, but it was those kind of experiments that gave them this extraordinary
That made them so desirable for the CIA, because they had real data on what all of these things did to human beings in detail.
And also the data, which my friends say that during the Inquisition and during the witch burnings, they kept the What do you call it?
The perpetrators kept great records on all that too.
And now we see it like, and the Nazis had access to all that information, but now we see it replayed here where we talk about, you know, the eventual horrors that that lead to, but how it starts as buying control of a, you know, country and how to create mass formation.
Yeah, I mean, they were doing two things.
One is they were using psychedelic drugs, and they were using torture, hypnosis, sensory deprivation, and a lot of other, and then propaganda, noise, torture, all these things to manipulate individual behavior to find out how long it took to break Somebody's will, their spirit, make them confess, but also to create mentoring candidates which are essentially unwilling killers.
How do you use hypnosis and other techniques to make an individual kill, assassinate a leader or somebody else?
Well, it's to create an assassin.
What?
It's to create an assassin.
Yeah, to create an assassin.
So they were doing that.
And they were also then looking at how do you manipulate entire populations?
And you do that by sowing fear, sowing uncertainty, by destroying institutions, by locking people up, keeping them away from social situations, lying to them systematically through propaganda, etc.
And, you know, they were interested in how do you How do you, how do you essentially deconstruct a society, make it so disorganized, so chaotic, that people will plead for strong, centralized control, and then you can drop that in on them from, you know, like a colonial project?
And how, it's how, how would the CIA And they, you know, they became formulaic.
They understood how you can do that.
by, you know, through use of, selective use of assassination
and then destroying business opportunities, sowing mistrust in all the institutions,
the church, the hospitals, et cetera, capturing key leaders to use them as propagandists,
et cetera, and they, you know, they became formulaic.
They understood how you can do that.
And I think- Do you think we, sometimes I think,
Well, we perfected it in all the countries we did it in.
Yeah, and now we did it here.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
I think that's exactly what happened.
And the, uh, you know, all of the things that we did elsewhere, we've seen done in our country in the last few years.
And unfortunately the CIA has been given a lot of leeway because as you pointed out, the CIA's charter, um, forbids the CIA from doing any manipulation, any propaganda in our country, any manipulation in our country, any interference with the political process.
During the 2020 election, when these 51 CIA officers signed the letter saying Hunter Thompson's laptop was a Russian And you say, how did that group, you know, how did they, how were they assembled?
And the reason Senate hearings show how they were assembled, they, you know, they called, Anthony Blinken actually called the head of the CIA at that time and said, we need this help.
And she assembled these 51 leaders, but it was what they were accusing the Russians of they were actually doing.
They were doing election interference on the American people here.
That was election interference.
And no one's ever held to account for any of it.
No, and the mainstream media is all...
I mean, this should outrage Americans.
We should be indignant.
We should be with pitchforks and torches in Langley surrounding that place saying, you know, how did this happen?
And yet the mainstream media, there's not a ripple of even recognition.
Even though it's all now out, Senate testimony, there's no defense of it.
And yet you still have the, you know, the consensus in the liberal media and in most Americans is that there was no, you know, it was all Russian election interference.
And it's, um, it, it's, it's kind of shocking to me.
It's staggering.
Yeah.
I guess, you know, it works.
I guess, you know, it just works.
Yeah.
You know, when you have, and I'm not a fan of Donald Trump's, It's irrelevant who they did this to.
If they do it to him, they're going to do it to everybody else.
don't people see that? Well, they already did do it to everybody else and they're still, you know,
not putting the total pieces together.
I mean, look at the number of black men in America that this same justice system faked.
How many innocent black men did they lock up just because they were looking for a black man?
A black man.
In Texas, it's record numbers.
Things are being overturned right and left.
They just did it.
You're saying back in the day, you're saying.
Back in the day, yeah, but it still goes on.
What do you mean?
Are you talking about I'm talking about black men who were, you know, in America.
Who are in jail now, you mean.
And who were, you know, in the last three decades, unjustly incarcerated when they were innocent.
Yeah, well also...
And the evidence was doctored or withheld from a corrupt justice system.
The guy was running for re-election, so he didn't care.
But it was also systematic.
It happened with Kamala in California.
It was systematic.
We passed two laws, one of them in 1986 and one of them in 1994.
Both of them were written by Joe Biden.
The first one was the drug law, which was the omnibus drug law, and that law did something extraordinary, which it gave penalties for crack cocaine that were a hundred times longer than for powder cocaine.
And it was because blacks were using crack cocaine and whites were using powder cocaine.
So you could have somebody in Westchester County, a couple of miles from the Bronx, right on the border, a white kid who was blasted for powder cocaine and would get a no prison sentence, and a black kid the same age, Arrested for crack cocaine in the Bronx, which was the preferred form, most available form, thanks again to the intelligence agency.
Yes, they brought it in.
Yeah, and they and the black kid would end up getting 10 years in jail.
Right.
And so, and then that was systematic.
And then in 1994, we passed the... And his kid's a crackhead.
That's what's even more funny. In 1994, that's a good point.
In 1994, I think he's sober now though.
In 1994, they passed the Crime Act, which had the mandatory sentencing at three strikes,
you're out, you had the super predator provisions, and that was all designed to
lock up the entire black population. Between those two bills,
we doubled the amount of blacks in American prisons.
And so.
Kamala let the big dirty secret slip, and I had this in my campaign when I ran in 2012 on a socialist platform, but she let the big secret slip.
I said, part of my campaign was saying, they're locking up kids in their youth, mostly minority kids in their youth.
And they're using them as prison labor.
And the number one manufacturer of US house paint is prison labor, where they're paid 21 cents an hour to create, you know, for a corporation.
They're corporate slaves in prison.
And Kamala let that slip where she didn't let the guy out, even though his term was over.
And she goes, well, I need him for labor.
Well, what she actually did, and the point you're making is absolutely correct.
But there was a case that went to the Supreme Court that said that the California prisons were illegally unconstitutionally overcrowded.
Yes.
The Supreme Court ordered the state of California to release 5,000 prisoners who were imprisoned for non-violent drug offenses.
They were mainly blacks.
Right.
And she repeatedly, again and again and again, defied that order.
And when she was asked about it, she said, we need these for fire suppression.
We need the prisoners.
We need them for certain jobs, like you say.
Slave labor.
She comes from a slave-holding family in Jamaica, so it wasn't no big thing to her to use people for slave labor.
And she probably owned a piece of the privatized prison herself.
Don't most Democrats own a privatized prison?
Allegedly, like a lot of these Democrat senators and such, The things they're invested in, they should be investigated, because they're getting double kickbacks, and so are the Republicans.
I mean, the things that our Congress is invested in are questionable, at least.
Yeah, I mean, that's true.
The conflicts of interest are outrageous.
Just going back to that last point, Um, when Tulsi ran against Kamala, and I love Tulsi.
I love her too.
We had her on.
We love her.
We had her on here.
We love her.
I mean, she's so smart, so articulate.
So, you know, she has such integrity.
And she said that she, she made this point when she was running against Kamala.
She said, you said Kamala, I'm sorry, um, was, um, was, Putting people in jail, massive numbers for marijuana.
And when she was asked, had she smoked marijuana, she laughed and said, you know, essentially said, yeah.
Do they all just, do they just want us all dead?
It just seems like they do.
They just want to kill a ton of people in our country.
They just want us dead.
Who's they?
The government.
Yes.
What is your role in this?
I usually talk more, but I'm so fascinated.
I'm just hanging back.
Keeping it on track.
He tries to keep me on the map.
He keeps you on.
I'm getting that part now.
But you're telling him he's not keeping me in line.
Is that what you're doing?
Because I'll step up.
I think he is.
No, but I wouldn't speculate about that because I never...
I never, I try never to make predictions and I try never to speculate about why people do things.
I just try to lay out the facts and like in the Fauci book, I never look into his head and say, this is why he was doing it.
I don't say, well, this is why Bill Gates is doing it.
But as I said to you earlier, it's hard to, it's hard to figure out an innocent explanation for why this stuff is happening or, you know, stuff like the border.
Yeah.
You go down to the border and you see, There's so much evidence that they let 7 million people in and that they, you know, they literally took down the fences and they, you know, there were 27 gaps in the wall that they bought the material for and they ordered it stopped.
And then, you know, it's hard to say, well, what is the innocent explanation for this?
Nobody thinks it's good to let the Sinaloa drug cartel To control our immigration policy in this country.
How could anybody, this isn't a Republican or Democrat issue.
It's just obvious that this is a bad policy.
It's crushing the social safety net in New York and Chicago.
That's what I think they're trying to do is just crush the social safety net of working class people and then replace them because they want a day off and benefits.
The American working class, so they just want that over because we're in there, you know, working people in America, um, you know, they're not desperate enough.
And we're going to have new eyeballs on this week with RFK, a whole new audience, and we can reach potentially new people and save them.
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I wouldn't comment on that, on why they do it, because I never do that.
But I would say one thing that is obvious is that neither political party cares at all for working people in this country.
They don't.
Both of them are now owned by corporations, and they're the same corporations.
BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard.
It's the military.
It's the pharmaceutical companies.
They're working for them, and they're keeping us all at each other's throats because it distracts us.
It's like the jangling keys.
You're saying, look at this over here, and you're robbing the bank over here.
That's right.
And all the wealth is going upward to BlackRock.
Yeah.
All the public money is going into private pockets.
Yeah, exactly.
And you look at what's happening, working people cannot afford to live in this country anymore.
That's right.
There's almost 60% of Americans can't put their hands on $1,000 if they have an emergency.
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You know, you're not going to be able to afford the mechanic.
You know, you're going to lose your right to work.
You're going to lose your job and you're going to get evicted from your house and you're going to end up on the sidewalk.
Homeless.
All those people on the sidewalks, they're not there because they're mentally ill.
They're drug addicts.
They're people who got up flat, two flat tires at the same time, or they got the edge like come on.
They're previous homeowners.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, um, And, you know, we're all, they have us all fighting over like, you know, abortion and guns and, you know, and trans stuff and all of these issues that are kind of, they're a little bit marginal to the central concerns of our lives.
And they're just robbing us blind.
They are totally robbing us blind.
Yeah, and they've destroyed the middle class.
And, you know, I grew up with the Democratic Party that was on the side of the cops and the firefighters and union people.
Yeah, labor.
Me too.
My dad and grandpa were, you know, total labor people.
That was the Democrat Party.
And now you never even hear the word labor from the Democrat Party.
No, they're not.
They work for Wall Street.
They don't care about labor in this country at all.
No, labor to them are the, you know, and then when... Look what they're doing.
They don't care about, you know, the people who work at Amazon or Uber or any of the people who are trying to unionize right now.
There's so many things the Democratic Party should be advocating for to rebuild the labor And capitalism, I believe strongly in capitalism, but capitalism doesn't exist, does not function if you do not, if the working people don't have a bargaining position.
Yeah, absolutely.
There's nobody to buy the stuff, right?
You know, it's funny that Henry Ford said, you know, the other, he was giving his workers a living wage.
They're making 5,000 bucks a year.
And he was asked by the other robber barons and the big auto companies, why are you paying them so much?
And he said, I want every one of my workers to make enough to be able to buy one of my cars.
And that was like, they were like, I should have had a V8.
They were like, that's crazy talk.
But yeah, that's what built a middle class in America.
Exactly.
Which became the greatest economic engine in the history of mankind.
Because we had a middle class, people could afford a homes.
Once you own a home, you have equity.
It means you can borrow money.
And that way, if you have an entrepreneurial impulse, you can build a yoga studio or a sporting goods store, a bar, a saloon, a restaurant.
And we had this extraordinary ferment, metabolous ferment in our country that made us the most powerful economic When I was a kid, America owned 50% of the wealth on Earth.
Right, I remember that.
And now, you know, we're down to the low 30s.
And, you know, the middle class is gone in our country.
It's gone.
It is gone.
if you're middle class, now the top 1% owns more wealth than the 60% in the middle class.
And if you're middle class in this country, you cannot afford to live in America anymore.
I know it.
And people, you know, I talk to people every day.
And I want to say, that isn't, that isn't free market capitalism.
No.
No, it's corporate crony capitalism.
That's right.
We have nothing, we do not have, it's all monopoly capitalism.
Yes, exactly.
It's, you know, you look at all these, these franchises.
They're all owned, you know, the youth that have replaced our Main Street stores.
And they're all run by Goldman and, you know, these other big companies that are just strip mining the wealth from the American middle class and taking away our sovereignty, our power.
And it's all fixable.
It's all fixable.
But the Democrats can't fix it.
The Republicans can't fix it.
They're all part of the problem.
Well, they don't want to.
I thought it was hopeful.
I think Trump wants to fix it.
Well, he does, yeah.
I think he has good instincts, but he doesn't have the depth.
Oh, I think he does.
You think he does?
I think he does.
Then why did he go along with the COVID lockdown?
Well, I think... Because he said, I'll never do it, and then he did it.
He gets overwhelmed by his bureaucrat.
Yeah, I think that happens.
He had this incredible deal where he went to Korea and he walked across the DMZ.
Yeah, that was pretty amazing.
And all the liberals attacked him because he met with Kim and everybody said, oh, he likes dictators.
But then he came back and he created this disagreement to denuclearize the Korean peninsula and both Kim and at that time, The president of South Korea was Moon Jae-in, and the two of them agreed, we're going to get rid of all nuclear weapons on this peninsula.
How good would that be for the world?
Then they went to President Xi in China and he signed on to it.
And then John Bolton, Mike Pompeo came to Trump.
And said, you can't do it.
And he caved in and he knew it was the right thing, but he didn't have the depth to say, I'm going to do it.
And, you know, and you guys are, um, you know, what I, I, what I think about him is that he has really good instincts.
He had great instincts about the vaccines.
He had great instincts about ivermectin.
He had great instincts about not shutting down our society, the social distancing, the masking.
And many other things, but I think he gets rolled by his bureaucrats because he doesn't have the depth of knowledge.
You think that's depth?
Or do you think that he does that because of depth?
I think he's like us, that he kind of has ADHD and he skips around.
So I think he knows a lot of these issues on the surface and he knows what to do.
Also, when you're a creative person, when you have ideas to make things better, you can't really fathom the mouthfeasance of people who don't.
Yeah, but what I would say, Roseanne... Maybe he does now.
Yeah, maybe he does now.
Except that the people he's talking about bringing in, like Jamie Dimon, are not the kind of people who... I said that too, but he came on and said... He's now said he's not going to do that.
He never said that.
But Bill Bloomberg he was.
Yeah.
Just let me tell you a little bit of history.
When my uncle, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, my father disappeared for 13 days.
We only lived seven minutes from downtown at that time.
He could get from my house The Justice Department in seven minutes, you know, driving fast.
We lived across the Potomac in McLean, but my father never came home for 13 days.
He slept at the White House.
And this was the most, the 13 most perilous days in the history of our planet because we were this close to nuclear explosions.
And there were 13 people in the committee that was meeting continuously to figure out what to do.
It's called the EXCOMM committee.
And the first day they voted, and it was 11 to 13 to invade Cuba.
Right.
My uncle started saying, and the only two people who didn't want to invade at that point were my father and Robert McNamara.
And my uncle said to the CIA, he said, let me see the aerial photos.
And he started studying himself the aerial photos of the missile sites.
There was 64 missile sites.
And he said, How many men are on each of these missile sites?
And they said it may be 600 men, the man each site.
And he said, are they, are they Cubans or are they Russians?
And they said, well, we don't know, but we think they have to be Russians.
My uncle said, if we bomb those sites, we kill all those Russians, isn't Grushev going to have to go into Berlin?
And that's going to be the beginning of World War III.
And they said, we don't think he has the guts to do that.
So that's the level of their depth and decision making.
And my uncle said, we got to figure out something else.
They met for 13 days and then, you know, my uncle and father figured out how to do it.
Um, you know, this extraordinary story about how to, you know, how to bring an end to it through an embargo rather than, and through a secret agreement with Khrushchev that we would remove our missiles, our Jupiter missiles from Turkey.
Secretly, if he agreed to pull the missiles out of Cuba, and he ultimately agreed because he didn't want to go to war either.
My uncle installed a hotline at that time where he could talk directly to Khrushchev because he knew all the people around him wanted a war.
But he was able to stand up to his bureaucrats.
In fact, the last day, he said to the Ex-con Committee, let's take a final vote.
The Ex-con Committee voted eight To six at that point to invade.
And my uncle said the six is a habit.
So in other words, whatever they said, he wasn't going to do.
He made up his own mind about what was going to happen.
And he did that.
And I don't think, and you know, I think he was able to do that because he had a military background himself.
He mistrusted the brass.
He didn't trust his own intelligence apparatus because of the Bay of Pigs.
And he also had an intense granular knowledge of what was happening and a curiosity about it.
And he was able, that gave him the capacity to stand up to an intransigent bureaucracy.
And I do not think that President Trump has that quality.
I hope he does now.
Maybe he's gained it in the interim, but I don't, you know, I haven't seen that from him.
It seems that way.
But he was so new to it, you know?
I mean, you can't calculate how evil some of these people in our government are.
Yeah.
You know?
And I was kind of heartened.
I was excited and I wanted to talk to you about when they overturned the Chevron doctrine.
I thought, that's about the best thing that's happened in a hundred years here.
Because that sort of cancels the authoritarian state, you know?
And their NGOs that, I don't think that it's hit people maybe yet, but I thought that was just so great because I thought that's kind of what's needed because people are running our country that have never signed an oath to the Constitution or to our country at all.
It's faceless bureaucrats, right?
And, you know, these authoritarian, unelected positions like SES and stuff, They're making all the moves.
I don't even know if a president could defy them until they overturn that.
Now I think maybe it's a new... Yeah, I mean there's a lot of stuff the president could do even with the Chevron Doctrine.
And the Chevron Doctrine to me is a double-edged sword.
Because if the If the agencies are functioning as they're supposed to as public welfare agency.
But they're not.
No, they don't.
Now they've all been taken over by corporations and now they have this unconstitutional power and the person who brought that Sue is a friend of mine.
I've represented commercial fishermen my whole life, and that's where I got my start, representing commercial fishermen.
It was a fisherman, a fisherwoman, who brought that case.
Two companies that represent commercial fishermen who brought that case, and I think it is, at this point in the history, it's a net positive.
Because, you know, with all the power, these agencies are no longer representing our interests.
They're now sock puppets for the industries they're supposed to regulate.
But it seems that it's getting clearer and clearer, and the big disguise and the big cover-up thing, that veil is thinning, you know, for people in our country to see, man, this is all just one big yank.
It seems like more and more people are getting hip to that.
That it's not two parties and it's not of, by, and for the people in any way.
It's just corporate self-interest and everything they do is to protect themselves from any sort of judgment or any kind of responsibility or accountability.
Yeah, I mean, I would agree with that, I think.
I'm not as optimistic about How many Americans recognize it?
I think the mainstream media... Oh, please fake it with me, because I get so depressed that nobody gets it.
Everybody else is still in this IOP, or a lot of people.
How would we break it?
I don't know how you unravel an orthodoxy, because even...
Now, you and I were talking about this earlier that you have a family member who is very badly injured by the COVID vaccine.
Yeah, but we don't talk about it.
I'll talk about it in a veiled way, but even people who are severely injured have a hard time saying, that's probably what did it.
Because it was such a tribal battle at the time.
Oh yeah, it broke up families, mine.
Yeah, yeah.
And so, you know, I was curious from the beginning is how does this orthodoxy ever unravel?
Because the information doesn't do it.
People are totally impervious to facts.
And, you know, a friend of mine who's a psychiatrist, I said to them, how do you persuade somebody who is completely subsumed in that kind of religious like belief system?
Yeah.
Because if you challenge somebody on their religion, you know, It just makes them dig in.
Yeah.
And he said that's the exact thing for every orthodoxy.
That's a feature of every orthodoxy that it's impervious to facts.
It's impervious to any kind of external stimulus.
And that he said the only way that you can do it is through the Socratic method of you don't fight back.
You just ask questions.
As long as you keep doing that and you don't fight them on it, but just say, you know, this is what you expected the benefit to be from it, you know, and is that working for you?
And to do it in a way that's gentle and non-confrontational so that people maybe are stimulated to begin asking questions on their own rather than Thinking that, you know, they have to be defensive about this.
Yeah, they have to defend.
It's called cult breaking.
What?
It's called cult breaking, what you're talking about.
It's called cult breaking?
Cult breaking.
Somebody's in a cult, there's these cult breakers.
They go in and that's one of the techniques they use.
That's a real thing.
Because they're in a cult and you have to open their mind.
It looks like we have to do that to a lot of Americans.
But you can't threaten them because then they get really defensive.
Yeah.
And then they really shut down.
So that's what you just said, basically.
And you can't assault them with facts.
No.
Yeah.
And they're offended by facts.
They go, well, those are your facts.
That's what they say.
Well, those are your facts, but they're not my facts.
I mean, it's just, it's so sad to see that happen to Americans, but it's like been in Planning for a long time, I think.
To make a docile, you know, a country of docile.
I used to think it was for docile workers, but they don't even want nobody to work.
It's just docile prey.
Yeah.
So you'll take more and more, and then they're gonna come out.
And it seems like, um, what do they do?
Invent?
I mean, it's so evil.
I just see it as evil.
One of the interesting experiments that came out of MKUltra is called the Milgram experiment.
And the Milgram experiment, there was a Yale associate professor named Stanley Milgram, and he recruited about 70 people from every walk of life in New Haven, business people, students, working people, Blacks, whites, et cetera, and he would bring them in to take part in this experiment, and he would put them at a table like this, and on the table there was a dial, and they were told that the dial was connected to a man who was sitting in the next room, who was tied to a chair, and that when they twisted that dial, it would administer an electric shock, and that they were doing an experiment on him,
Right.
They didn't tell they were doing the experiment on you.
Right.
And they were told by a guy who was a doctor, so a doctor, it was really Dr. Milgram, who was in a white lab suit and he had, you know, kind of badges on him that made him look like an authority figure.
And he would tell them, okay, turn it up, turn it down, turn it up, turn it down.
When they turn it up, they could hear the guys struggling and screaming and sometimes pleading and crying.
And a lot of the subjects were saying, I don't want to do this anymore.
You know, can I stop?
And the doctor would say, no, you can't.
And he'd say, turn it up.
And I think 67% of it, you could actually, you shouldn't go to Wikipedia for anything controversial, but you can look this up in Wikipedia.
I think, and it's called the Milgram experiment, 67% Turned it up to where it said potentially lethal.
Yeah.
Which is like 250 volts or something.
And what Milgram said is that the voice of an authority figure has the capacity to overwhelm all of your most deeply held beliefs and ethical precepts Well, they think they're off the hook.
It's like a Hannah Arendt thing, the banality of evil.
If they think, well, I'm only following orders, so I'm not going to be held responsible for my own actions.
Yeah, I mean, that's interesting.
It's like a Hannah Arendt thing, the banality of evil.
If they think, well, I'm only following order, so I'm not gonna be held responsible for my own actions.
Yeah, I mean, that's interesting.
And the good news is that 33% of them got up and walked out.
That is good.
And that is roughly what we saw during COVID.
Because COVID seemed to me, from the beginning, a giant Milgram experiment, where we had a doctor, and all these doctors were assembled at the top of the society, and they were telling people to do things that we all knew were wrong.
To censor the press, to do what you're told, trust the experts.
That was never a thing, trusting the experts.
is not a feature of democracy.
It's not a feature of science.
No.
It's a feature of totalitarianism.
Right.
It's a feature of religion.
Right.
But it's not science, to trace the X-rays.
No, it felt like a big ol' psy-op.
Yeah.
Yeah, where everybody falls in line.
That mass formation stuff.
Remember the Super Bowl when, what's her name, Beyonce came out and her song was, Mass Formation, just before all of it came down?
No, I didn't.
Yeah.
Or how do you explain that?
In a non-paranoid way, please.
In a non-paranoid way?
Well, I don't know if I can.
You're on the wrong podcast for that.
I'm not even paranoid, I just... No, it's not paranoid, it's like I just connect different dots.
Yeah.
And I am paranoid because I grew up with Holocaust survivors.
So, I don't know if you'd call that paranoid or some other thing, but it looks like a lot of the same shit to me.
Yeah.
But, um, yeah.
So this was before, what was this?
This was like in the Superbowl in 2020, January of 2020?
No, it was way before that.
Are you saying, was the song called that or what do you, I don't remember.
That was the name of the song she did.
Oh, I have to look that up.
It was called Mass Formation?
Yeah.
And it was her, it was, you know, kind of a call to arms for, for, um, uh, Mass Formation.
And you just look it up.
Because the media always telescopes a message to the people that watch the Super Bowl at halftime.
You knew that, right?
The song is called Formation.
I looked it up.
Okay, Formation, but look at what It's about, we'll drop it in later.
Yeah, we'll do it later.
They're in militaristic outfits.
Can you give me some other example of the Super Bowl functioning as a conduit for C.I.A.?
You saw the Olympic opening the other day in France.
I mean, there's stuff like that.
You mean the Olympic had all of the... Just symbolism in general.
The symbolism of the... It's a way I would consider they would communicate to us.
I mean, that could be... Yeah, that was... Weird, right?
Strange.
Yeah, very strange choice.
But all the Super Bowls have that.
They all have a kind of a cultish... All the music videos?
A cultish message to them about overthrowing anything that is American values.
Like Madonna dressing like...
you know, a death cult goddess and all the people half naked around her. Just watch the last five
Super Bowl halftimes. Well, how do you explain that I put my ad on the Super Bowl this time?
Well, I did a couple Super Bowl commercials and they were great.
But that, you weren't singing and dancing.
It's for the youth.
You didn't have any symbolism in there, did you?
I didn't notice.
If you came out there in a big ol' headdress... And a thong!
And a thong with, like, satanic imagery all around you, you could say something.
Well, you might have got the Democratic nomination.
Yeah, what about that?
Why do these people always gripe about our democracy, and they got anything but democracy, or they would have chosen you, which pisses me off, because you are the Democrat Party, because your family is the Democrat Party, but they They don't like any of that, and they went so far left that I can't even understand them.
But then, they pick everybody.
You know, I said they shot at... Yeah, they had to destroy democracy in order to save it from Donald Trump.
Exactly like Vietnam, right?
Yeah.
But I said, oh, they shot at Trump and killed Biden.
Yeah, interesting.
But they all just work together.
It's just like this crazy message they keep, like you said.
They just want us fighting laterally.
Like the Torah says, when a man hits a dog with a stick, the dog goes bites another dog.
That's what it is.
Yeah.
Well, that's true.
But what about the Democrat party totally overturning democracy in the people they
install that their own constituents don't want.
What the hell kind of overturn of democracy is that?
Does that make you mad?
I mean, my reaction is not to get mad because I think I'm disciplined about not going into
That's good.
And I think anger is, most people have two ways of handling anger, and one is to externalize it, in which you kick the dog, and then a week later, you know, somebody is beating their wife in China, because it reverberates around that, I get it.
Externalized anger reverberates around the globe.
And then the other way is to internalize it and turn it into a resentment, which is like swallowing poison and hoping somebody else will die.
And that, you know, I don't want to go into either of those places.
So I have other ways of processing when I see something that doesn't make any sense or That's unjust, which is, you know, to try to apply my energies against it, but also not do something that is destructive either to myself or
Or people around me.
And you know, you kind of have to embrace adversity and see it as an opportunity for personal growth.
That was going to be my next question because I think that a lot of people who do have anger things, it comes from trauma and not really processing the trauma that you had gone through.
Anger is definitely a sign of impotence.
I agree with you there, but sometimes it does drive you to action.
you know, to correct action. Yeah, I mean, one of the most, you know, one of the great
New Testament stories is Christ going in and over to, you know, getting angry. Yeah.
And overturning the tables of the money changers at the temple.
And so, you know, I think anger is a motivation, but for me, it's not, you know, for me,
anger is not a, it's a destructive, it's not something that I, you know, I try not to go
into either rage or resentment. Yeah.
Well, you had so much trauma in your life and your family.
How did you turn that to be How did you deal with it and turn it so that you could work for the betterment of humanity and not let it take you down?
I think the way that I processed trauma for 14 years was through heroin addiction.
And that was from when I was 15 years old, which was a year after my dad died, until I was 28.
I'm so sorry.
I didn't know that about you.
Oh, yeah.
So, and that's pretty well known.
I mean, people, I'm very open about it.
And then I, I've been in recovery for 40 years and I, but I'm very disciplined about my recovery.
I go to a meeting every day.
Oh, wow.
And, um, and you know, I already was at a meeting this morning and I do that every day of my life.
And I think, you know, you have to work on it.
Yeah.
Oh, um, I had to have a very intense spiritual realignment that I think has enabled me to take that trauma and actually turn it into something good for me, to turn it into good energy.
And I think that's our function in life is to create order out of chaos and to transform the misfortunes and the challenges in our lives.
into something that benefits other human beings.
I think that's what comedians do.
They take trauma, they take hurt, they take injury, discomfort, and they turn it into laughter.
Yeah, it's an alchemical mix.
It's a great alchemical mixture of all kinds of emotional Triggers and stuff that saved my life since I was a little girl.
Like, I don't think, I never would have survived if I didn't have jokes and the ability to write them and go, okay, I'm going to take this premise, this context, this is good.
And sometimes I would be like, you know what?
I'll come and say this.
This is horrible and hurts, but I'm going to get a good two minutes out of it.
And that's how we do it.
It's a great survival.
When you're, when you're in recovery, Like, you know, when I was out there, when I was an addict, a lot of my mind, I was thinking, oh, I already squandered all of these, you know, wonderful gifts I was given.
So what's the point?
Then I found out when I came into recovery that I could take, you know, the worst parts of my addiction, the humiliation, the defeats.
disappointments and, you know, the embarrassments and all that, and I could turn it into something that could help somebody else.
And if somebody says to me, you know, oh, I've been through this struggle, I can say, yeah, I went through that, too.
And there's a path out.
And so it actually has this extraordinary impact of this sort of alchemy Of being able to mint something very, very valuable from something that was very, very bad from the dross, to mint gold from dross.
Yes, exactly.
The 12-step things, I know, but that was something that meant a lot to me, too, because, boy, isn't that 12 steps to rebuilding the soul of a human being?
Yeah.
Isn't it?
It's like step-by-step.
First I will grow it, and then I will hold myself to account, and that's hard.
And then I'll share it.
And then I'll share it, yeah.
And that's the, you know, the, I mean, the key, I think, Bill Wilson, who, you know, launched AA, which was the first 12-step program.
He had actually, he recognized, he had heard through Carl Young.
So he had a best friend whose name was Roland Hazard, who was a millionaire from Boston during the, during the depression.
He was one of the richest people in the country.
And he was, he was absolutely a hopeless alcoholic.
And he went to Switzerland to be treated by Dr. Young, and he got cured, and then he left and immediately drank again, and he came back and got cured again, and he immediately drank again, and he came back, and finally he said to Young, he said, for somebody of my level of alcoholism, is there any help?
And Young said, and he said, give it to me straight, just give it to me straight.
Hazard said this to Young, and Young said, no, there's no, it's hopeless.
And Roland Hazard said to him, is there anybody who's ever recovered who has this level?
And Young said, yeah, but only people who have profound spiritual realignments.
And Hazard shared that with Bill Wilson, and Bill Wilson began a correspondence with Young.
Bill Wilson then went into a program called the Oxford Group, which was a group that was It was a group that at the beginning of the century, there was a movement called Gnosticism, which was the move back to first century Christianity before there was any institutional church, when there was no priests, there was just people who were going into basements, sharing the message of love, of kindness, of hope for the poor.
And that's how original Christianity spread before the Roman Empire, Took it over and turned it into an instrument of empire and control.
This was a movement to go back to that time.
And then Bill Wilson went into this group.
There were eight steps and they were designed to induce a spiritual awakening.
He had a spiritual awakening and his compulsion for alcohol just was lifted.
He had struggled with it his whole life.
Miraculously, he was gone.
It was like he was never an alcoholic.
He was free and he began rebuilding his fortune and having a wonderful life.
He was a business guy from Wall Street.
He was arranging a deal that was going to make him rich for life during the Great Depression.
He was going to buy the Firestone Tire Company.
He went out to Akron, Ohio.
Deal.
And he was going to come away a millionaire and he got out there and the deal fell apart.
And he was in Akron and the Mayflower hotel after this whole crushing, he invested his whole fortune.
He was penniless.
He couldn't even get back to New York and he was devastated.
And for the first time, The entire compulsion came flooding back in him and he just needed a drink and he was standing in the lobby of the Mayflower Hotel and he was looking at the lounge with a bar and he could hear the clinking of ice and the glass and he could hear the laughter of the people and it was calling him to come into that bar.
And on his way to the bar there was a telephone booth and he suddenly had this revelation.
The only way that he was going to say this over that night is if he helped another alcoholic.
And he went into the phone booth, he went into the Yellow Pages, and he started calling the Salvation Army, he started calling preachers, ministers, hospitals, looking for a desperate alcoholic that he could go help.
And he found this guy through a local preacher, he found a guy Named Dr. Bob Smith, who was a well-known alcoholic, a very popular physician, but had been devastated.
And he actually arranged a meeting, the people arranged a meeting at the home of the heir to the fire's entire fortune.
And he went, he went into that and Bob, Dr. Bob, who, you know, hundreds of people had tried to cure him.
He saw Bill Wilson come in and he said, you got 15 minutes.
And they ended up staying up all night together.
And that was the first AA meeting.
And they both got sober and then they realized the only way they could stay sober is if they helped somebody else.
So they started going around and then the program began.
And at the first meetings began at Akron, he realized that the secret sauce of this program was that The 12 steps are intended to induce a spiritual awakening.
Yeah, because it's based on brutal honesty.
Right, brutal honesty, but you cannot live off the laurels of that awakening.
You have to renew it every day, and the only way to renew it is by helping somebody else through service to others.
That's why 40 years into the program, I still go to nine meetings a week.
Because that gives me the opportunity to help somebody else.
And that's the only way that you keep it.
It's reminded me of like basic things about Judaism, which we're taught.
We're taught that everybody is born here, that this is the world of desire.
And that we are desire.
You know, a human is about desire.
What do you mean desire?
Well, we desire things by being human.
We desire comfort, we desire food, we desire... But there's two kinds of desire.
Desire for myself alone, and desire for myself in order to share, which that's the spiritual one.
And the other one makes you sick.
So that's kind of like, kind of the spiritual awakening.
But I work 12-step programs, too, for mental health.
You know, there's anonymous programs for people who have mental health issues.
And it just is all based on kind of, you know, it's all the same thing, but like that rigorous honesty.
Yeah.
That's, that'll wake up, that'll wake you up in your parts and your soul more than anything.
And it's so difficult.
So congratulations on your sobriety and I can see that it runs through your campaign too because you have a very, it's almost Gnostic in the way I view it.
You have a desire to enlighten and to lift and to help the people of this country and to bring them together.
I love what you said about desire because One of the sort of central tenets of Buddhism is the path to enlightenment, which is called nirvana.
And that word means quenching the fire, putting out the fire, the fire of desire, the fire for pleasure, for sex, to avoid pain, to accumulate wealth, that all of these These desires that are, you know, I call myself when I was an active addict, I was a bundle of appetites that needed to be fed all the time.
That was a full-time job.
And that the ultimate trajectory and objective of Buddhism is this age of enlightenment where you're free of all desires, where you can, it's like sitting on the side of a mountain and watching the clouds pass overhead.
Some of them are dark, some of them are white, but just being still and not being compelled to respond.
Right, exactly.
And Isaiah says, a passage of Isaiah that had a monumental impact on me early in sobriety was, be still and know that I am God.
Oh yeah, I love that too.
I was like a big truck.
Right.
When I was, that is stuck in a ditch and it's smoking and the headers and the pipes are, you know, there's fire coming out and it's roaring and the wheels are spinning and it's going nowhere.
And I, I had to fix everything.
I had to, you know, if there was pain, I had to fix it with a drug or whatever.
I had anything I had to, I was in constant movement.
I was all activity and no progress.
And what, Sobriety and the 12 Steps has taught me is just how to be still, that I don't need to fix those, that God is in charge, and that, you know, what other people think of me is not my business.
My business is to get up every morning and say, reporting for duty, sir, and then use and figure out what I'm supposed to do.
Keep doing the next right thing, the next right thing.
That's right.
If I'm sad, it's gonna pass.
If I'm, you know, all of the desires, the needs that come into me, that they pass.
You know, I'm depressed or whatever, that those things all pass.
And that if I can be still and have faith, that it's like, you know, I can It's like I can put down the oars and hoist the sails, and I get propelled, you know, by divine wind from behind.
Divine wind, absolutely.
Well, self-mastery, isn't it?
Yeah.
After a lifetime of, I can't imagine the trauma in your family, and we all witnessed it, so you had no place to do it in private, but self-mastery at the end of it, and then rising to be a Person that people look to and learn from.
And you have so many important things to say, and you've said so many great things.
I was happy when Trump consulted you as the health expert on vaccinations.
And of course we heard that leaked conversation between you and he, which I loved.
I love when you and he are in agreement.
Of course, I wanted him to pick you for vice president, but whatever.
Was that ever offered or?
You know what, I can't really talk about the D.C.
election.
You're nosier than me.
I've got to keep him in line now.
That's what I was rooting for.
I wouldn't have a big interest in being vice president, because it's supposed it doesn't have any power.
Your budget is controlled through the White House.
Well, unless you were Kamala.
Unless you have a very close relationship with the president.
Kamala, she was given a portfolio to fix the border.
She's done a great job.
She's done a great job on the border there, hasn't she?
Well, according to Google, it never happened.
They're suppressing it.
That's not what the Google now says.
They're the worst.
I've got to ask you a quick question.
The media has done a hit piece on you since the beginning.
Most Americans that are sane and rational.
How do you keep running a campaign?
You're in all 50 states.
You're on the ballot.
You have a path to victory.
I want to talk about that, but it's really hard for you.
It's not just because you might steal from the Republican or Democrat, which a lot of people say.
I think the issue you're running into is the media is not propelling you at all, talking about you.
You've kind of been shadow banned.
I don't know if you know what that term is.
How do you keep going with that?
I think my biggest issue is that the mainstream media will not let me on.
They won't let me talk.
If you remember when Ross Perot ran, he was on every night.
He was on every night.
He got 19% of the vote.
He was on Larry King two nights a week.
But he was on Larry King like two nights a week and then he was everywhere.
And in 18 months, I've had two interviews on mainstream media.
I've had one live, only one live interview, which is Aaron Burnett.
This week, I did CBS with Major Garrett, and it was a taped interview.
And as you know, they can mess around with tape interviews.
And then I had two small interviews on CNN with Michael Schmirkanish.
But other than that, I'm completely banned on those networks.
And then I'm shadow banned on, you know, Facebook, et cetera.
And so, you know, it's enabled the mainstream media to characterize me as a crazy person, as anti-vax, as, you know, That's what they do.
As dog-eating, as racist, as anti-Semitic, all the stuff they put on you.
Unfairly, you know, you're Jewish and you were thrown off TV for being anti-Semitic, supposedly.
Yeah.
Racist for that one.
Yeah, every week it's something else.
Right.
And so they, you know, they use those pejoratives.
To marginalize you and to vilify you, to demonize you and to make people feel, oh, I don't have to listen to him.
He's a crazy person.
Right.
Well, they do it to blacklist you for their other venues won't go, oh, they're blacklisted so we can't have them on.
It's like, you know, they're all lined up in formation.
And if they can do that to you, then nobody else is going to have anything to do with you either.
Yeah.
It's just, you know, it's Stalinism.
Did you ever see that movie about Stalin?
It was so funny.
It has all these comics in it.
Was it Death of Stalin?
I think it was, where they were all just like... Oh, that was a great movie!
Wasn't it great?
Fantastic!
That's how I imagine it is in the government.
Would you really want to be in there?
Well, I think I'm more able to fix it than anybody alive right now, because I'm in a unique position.
I've litigated against all these agencies.
I've sued USDA more than anybody.
I've sued EPA, FDA, EPA, NIH.
I've sued DOT.
I've sued the Department of Agriculture.
You know, all of them.
And I just won a big suit against the FCC for lying to the public about cell phone radiation.
When you sue them, you get a PhD in corporate capture.
And I know in many of these agencies, I know who the bad guys are.
I know who to move.
I know the perverse incentives that put agency capture on steroids.
And I'm not scared of the bureaucracies.
Most people like President Trump came in and he said, I'm going to, you know, I'm going to drain the swamp.
But then he brought in, you know, Scott Gottlieb, a Business partner of Pfizer to run FDA.
Gottlieb did a hundred billion dollar favorite for FDA and then went back to Pfizer.
Alex Azar, a pharma lobbyist to run HHS.
A Verizon lobbyist to run FCC.
A Goldman Sachs CEO to run the treasury department.
You know, a military contractor to run the defense department.
Um, a coal industry lobbyist to run the EPA and oil industry lobbyists to run interior.
So, and I understand why he did that because those people, you know, you have these huge bureaucracies, some of them 40, 50,000 people, and at every level of that bureaucracy, some technocrat who doesn't like what you're doing has the capacity to, to, uh, to perform.
To commit a civil disobedience that will embarrass the president, shut the lights off somewhere, you know, shut the trash service off, put farmers out of work, you know, shut the water off for an entire, whatever it is, they can really hurt you.
Most presidents who, you know, come in, they bring somebody safe with them, somebody from the industry that's regulated, who can keep everything in line.
And but it's it's the opposite of draining the swamp.
Putting John Bolton as the head of NSA is not going to end the military industrial complex.
He is the military industrial complex.
Oh, I wouldn't do that.
I know how I'm not intimidated by the bureaucracies.
I know how to fix them.
They're going to be very intimidated by me.
I know how to fix the CIA.
How would you fix the CIA?
I would do exactly what my dad was going to do, which is to separate the espionage division from the clandestine services.
It should be two separate agencies.
So espionage is not tied into all of these things.
So there's accounting done.
You account for the blowback.
The CIA right now, they kill out terrorists in Afghanistan with a drone strike, and they say, that's a success story.
Well, you also, he's got 12 brothers.
Right.
So now they're going to come after us.
And is that really a success story?
Is it a success story to get rid of Saddam Hussein?
The CIA will tell you that was a huge success.
Well, what happened?
Iraq is worse off than we found it.
We killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein.
We pushed Iraq into a proxy posture with Iran, which was exactly the foreign policy outcome we've been trying to avoid for two decades.
We created ISIS.
We drove 4 million refugees up into Europe and destabilized every democracy in Europe and created Brexit.
We created BRICS, which is now about to take the dollar away from us as the global reserve currency, which is going to be trillions of dollars in wealth extraction by other nations from the United States, total the middle class.
That's what we got for overthrowing Saddam Hussein, but the CIA still regards that as one of its greatest success stories, and nobody is counting the cost of blowback.
No, they never do.
Right.
And when they do calculate the cost, they never include the cost to human lives or communities in it.
Of course not.
Just the cents.
Yeah.
So, I mean, they did the same thing, you know, Guatemala they overthrew.
Yacouba abandons in 1953 and Guatemala has never recovered.
It's still, we are still getting refugees to the border because of what we did there in 53.
We, we, we, uh, destroyed the, the, the first democracy in the 4,000 year history of Iran in 1954 when we overthrew Mohammed Mossadegh.
And we're still paying the price today of that coup d'etat in, you know, with our relationships with Iran.
We should be best friends with Iran.
Iranian people are just like the American people, more than anybody in the region, except for Israel.
Right.
We should be best friends with them.
And we were during a lot of the Cold War.
That's really why I got fired.
That was really what my tweet was about.
What happened?
Well, I had gone to Israel and, you know, it was all everything.
And we were in Israel and our phones rang and it was pretty staggering.
We were on a, what do you call it, where you go?
Conference call?
No, we were on our mission to go to the holy sites.
You know, I can't remember the word for it.
A pilgrimage.
Yeah, sort of.
And our phones rang, our cell phones, and it was people in Iran.
And they were like, hi.
We didn't think to say, how'd you get our numbers?
We were staggered.
They go, this is such and such from Iran.
They spoke English and some spoke Hebrew too.
And there were four of us that got the calls and they said, we just want you to know we love the Jewish people.
We have no problem with Israel.
Our problem is with our, you know, we just want you to know that we, we love you.
We send you love and our problem is here, not with you.
And we don't have what they're saying about both of us.
Let's not let this go.
And so I started talking with them and with journalists in Iran about the Iran deal of the Obama administration.
And that's what I was tweeting about for three months, about the effect of the Iran deal on Iranian women.
That's who I was speaking with.
And so, you know, my tweet was, you know, they monitored it.
and found the one thing that they could use to call me a racist, but it was about how, you know, they destroyed all, like they're doing here now, they destroyed all the middle-class women business owners there.
It's by the book, the destruction of a country, and then they put in extremists with no women's rights at the top, you know?
So they destroyed those women and they did it in Egypt too.
And now they're doing it here.
It's the same assault on women as a class and middle and working class people for an elitist group of oligarchs and everybody's their serf.
And that's why I referenced the movie I referenced because they were coming to throw anybody, any woman who could read, write at a college education, you know, her business was taken away.
Americans don't even know it.
But anyway, I just love them.
I love those people in Iran and they, one thing you might be interested in is that in Iran and China people are converting to Christianity like it's A pandemic.
It's just amazing numbers, and that's why those places are changing.
They're having a spiritual awakening, too, of self-accountability.
That's kind of what's going on all over the planet.
There's a genocide against Christians across the entire Mideast.
I mean, literally millions of Christians have been eliminated from those countries.
And Africa, too.
Yeah, Nigeria, I think 50,000 have been killed in the last couple of years.
Well, they represent a significant threat because they are thinkers and they've had a spiritual awakening.
So sometimes I feel like anybody who's a believer or has deep spiritual, like you said about your anger will cause anger in the world, that kind of thinking, they don't like that.
The people at the top who just want to control and whatever they're doing.
Maybe they're not even thinking about it.
Maybe they're just so out of control they don't see where it heads.
Maybe they're just so selfish and self-consumed they don't even see, but I don't know.
It's like the collective ego.
Huh?
It's like the collective ego.
It's, you know, the ego is kind of the It's a self-will run riot.
It's the source of all this strife and anger and war and everything else.
Do you think those are vestigial things that might be passing from the human?
I don't think so.
I don't think so at all.
I mean, I don't, I think every generation has to struggle with them and that technology amplifies, you know, the capacity for, for ego domination to dominate all of society.
And, you know, I think that technology has an incredible promise like AI and blockchain.
To make government more transparent, to make it more the servant of the best impulses of our society, to democratize us, you know, the same way that the internet would.
But the internet promised it was going to democratize information, and what did it do?
It became a tool for totalitarian control.
Yeah.
And AI has an even more frightening potential to, you know, to completely control us to warp our perception of reality, to
distort it in ways that are highly manipulated and to control every aspect of human
behavior.
All of our interactions are, you know, what we do inside and outside of the home.
And I mean, they're already harvesting our information.
You know, we have Siri and Alexis in our home.
They're not working for you.
They're working for Bill Gates, who's, you know, every time you cough, every time you sneeze, every time you say something to your wife about, you know, this mattress is a little bumpy.
I need a new one.
Then you get six mattress ads in the morning.
Have you ever tried swearing at Siri?
No, it's Alexis that you swear at, right?
Oh, what happens?
She gets all offended.
It's pretty amazing.
How did you discover that, Rosanna?
Because I just tried it.
Because I go, hey, you know what I think of you?
You're a so-and-so and so-and-so.
I mean, was it at a time when you were angry at her?
No, I was trying to spy.
I was being a spy on all the spying.
So I go, hey, you're this and that.
And she goes, that is offensive.
I can't remember what she said.
But anyway, Yeah, I want to.
You stopped her from talking about that.
We have to wrap up.
I know, we are wrapping up.
I wanted to hear more about that.
Change your flight and say, we would love you.
She said, that's very offensive.
She said something like, I wish you wouldn't feel the need to Swear at me like that Roseanne Barr at so-and-so.
So I wanted you to, I wanted to give you the floor to, and I ask everybody, give us your most, because I'm hopeful even though, because I think when When the dirt's right out in the open, it's good because you can't sweep it under the carpet anymore.
You've got to sweep it out the door when you see it.
So I think it's good that all this stuff's being exposed.
I feel hopeful that we'll see it and then choose not to keep it in our house anymore.
So I ask everybody to end our interview, which was just delightful.
And you're a wonderful person.
Would you leave us with a hopeful Your hopeful thoughts for our country and the world?
Yeah, I agree with you that, you know, the way you get rid of cockroaches with sunlight, they're not going to come out and that, you know, we need transparency and we need democracy.
But, you know, listen, I think it's a division in this country that's being used to You know, to make sure that the control stays in the hands of this corporate elite.
They use division.
They use fear.
They use tribalism.
They use all these alchemies of demagoguery, these mechanisms for control to keep it at each other's throats so that we don't see what they're doing.
And my whole campaign is about ending the division.
I never say bad things about President Trump.
Criticize him on his policies, but I'm not disrespectful to him.
I always call him President Trump.
I say the same thing about President Biden, Vice President Harris.
I promised on day one, 18 months ago, that I wasn't going to feed into the division, the marginalization, the vilification, the demonization, the dehumanization of my opponents, that we're all Americans.
There's no such thing as Republican children or Democratic children.
And that I was going to focus my campaign not on these little culture war issues that are used to keep us at each other's throats and disable our capacity for democratic governance and participation, but to focus on the values that we all have in common.
What I've found is that Americans are agreeing on 90% of the issues.
We all want to take care of the veterans.
We all want to restore us to the best education system in the country.
Everybody wants to take care of the environment.
If you talk about air, water, wildlife, fisheries, public lands, the Purple Mountains, everybody wants it.
If the only thing you're going to talk about is carbon, you're going to lose people.
You're going to have people at each other's throats.
But when we were working to clean up the water, the lead from the water in Flint, Michigan,
We had Hells Angels standing shoulder to shoulder with urban blacks.
Everybody wants a clean environment.
Right, of course.
Right?
Everybody wants that.
Everybody wants to end the abrupt merger of state and corporate power.
Everybody wants to end the war machine.
We want to bring that money home and rebuild our industrial base.
We want dignity for everybody, black, white.
We all want that.
And so much of what the, you know, I think it's just fundraising.
is sowing the division of turning blacks against whites, of turning us against each other.
And so many times- I think it's just fundraising. They're using everything as a tool for fundraising.
Oh, I know. The fundraising stuff that I get in the mail is so outrageous.
And a lot of times it's addressed against me.
They'll say, dear Robert Kennedy, Robert Kennedy is a menace to our society.
Send us money so we can stop him.
And I'm like, I'm not, I'm not gonna.
That's where I draw the line.
But you know, we have the capacity to, you know, we listen.
We have the worst problems of any country in the world.
We have the worst chronic disease epidemic.
60% of our kids now have chronic disease.
When my uncle was president, 6%.
But we also have the best integrative medicine doctors in the world.
We have the best functional medicine doctors, the naturopaths, all the extraordinary chiropractors.
They all, and We have the worst agricultural policies, the most poisonous food, but we also have the greatest farmers in the world who are doing regenerative agriculture.
We're cutting edge on that.
Nobody's doing what we're doing here.
I know that.
We have the worst business practice in the world, but we have the greatest entrepreneurs in the world, in this country, right?
If we give our country a chance, we're generating plenty of wealth.
We have this huge budget deficit, but we can get rid of it by reinvesting, not by cutting spending, because you can't just cut your way out of that deficit.
You have to grow your way out of it.
But we have to realign the spending so it's growing GDP.
We can do that.
We just need leadership in the White House who understands this and who understands the potential of AI and blockchain.
We need to Bring those technologies home, make ourselves the hub, bring all that entrepreneurial energy, that innovation and capital investment here in the United States and make us the fulcrum, the hub of it.
And, you know, we can restore the America that I grew up with and owned half the wealth on the face of the earth.
That was a moral authority around the globe.
It was not a war machine.
It was instead a mechanism for peace.
I know how to do it.
I grew up in that era.
I watched my father and my uncle do it.
I've thought about it my entire life.
I've litigated against the companies and against the regulatory agencies that are causing the problem, and I know how to fix it.
Where can people go to donate to your campaign or find out more?
People should go to kennedy24.com.
People will tell you we're not going to be on the ballots.
We already have enough signatures to get on the ballots in every state.
The only reason we're not on them is because the state laws won't let them certify us until the end of August.
By that time, we'll be everywhere.
You'll be in all 50 states.
Well, we want the restoration and the redemption and the renewal of our country.
We pray for it every day.
I do.
Me too.
I love you.
Thank you so much for being here.
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