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June 1, 2024 - The Roseanne Barr Podcast

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For Love of Country with Tulsi Gabbard | The Roseanne Barr Podcast #50

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	Hey everyone, Jake here.
	Before we start this episode with Tulsi, I just wanted to run a couple things by you.
	I'll do it as fast as possible.
	June 17th, June 18th, and June 19th, my mother is performing at the Cap City Comedy Club in Austin, Texas.
	She's doing stand-up.
	Tickets are available at rozambar.com.
	Come out and see us.
	I'll be there.
	I know most of you who watch the show are huge fans of mine.
	I'll be in the crowd if you want to have a drink.
	But you have to buy tickets first.
	Secondly, YouTube, as you know, has demonetized us.
	We hate YouTube.
	They're horrible.
	Rumble has been wonderful.
	So I'd like to say that if you really want to support us, continue to watch the show on Rumble.
	We are keeping a YouTube page.
	We still do clips and shorts.
	But I just don't really want to push YouTube anymore.
	I hate them.
	And I don't know why we would continue to be on a platform that hates us more than we hate them.
	So the show is now still on YouTube but it now drops Friday morning at 2 a.m.
	The audio is released wherever you get your audio podcasts and then we do a live at 7 p.m.
	Eastern on Fridays.
	The YouTube episode releases an hour later at 8 p.m.
	Eastern and that's the new schedule for now.
	I know it's been a little confusing to follow us but I want to do what's right for Rumble because they're doing what's right for us.
	So if you really want to support us Friday night, 7 Eastern, go and watch it live on Rumble.
	Anyway, thank you so much and enjoy the episode.
	Greetings, humans, earthlings, and others, and any members of the animal kingdom who might be tuning in because they love the melodious tunes of my fabulous voice.
	And people are sending me videos of their animals watching my show and snoozing, relaxing, having peaceful dreams.
	I appreciate those.
	Welcome to the Roseanne Barr Podcast.
	We are so excited because we have as a guest today someone I have followed for a very long
	time because I sort of consider her to be a sister of Hawaii.
	Tulsi Gabbard.
	Hi, Tulsi.
	So nice to finally meet you in person.
	And you too.
	It's such a thrill.
	Thank you so much for being here.
	Thank you.
	I want to talk to you first about Hawaii.
	Absolutely.
	Because you were born there.
	I was born in American Samoa, but my parents moved us to Hawaii when I was around two or three years old.
	And so Hawaii's been home for me.
	You went on Oahu.
	For my whole life, yeah.
	Grew up on Oahu, all different parts of the island.
	And, you know, through the military and through politics, have left for long periods of time.
	But even when I served in Congress, I was in Washington DC for eight years in Congress, and I would come home at least twice a month.
	Oh, cool.
	And even as frequent as the back and forth was, it was never easy to leave, and I was always so happy to come home.
	And I know you know that feeling.
	Yeah, that feeling.
	Something about Hawaii, right?
	Yeah.
	Something about it.
	Yeah.
	I don't know exactly what, but I think some of it might be political.
	And I'm only bringing this up because I identify with you in so many ways.
	Number one, we have a lot in common.
	I'm going to bring that up in a minute.
	But the ability to change your mind and the continual growth of ideas and perspectives is something kind of Born into Hawaii and the culture and the people of the longing for life and the love of creativity and ideas and, you know, all those beautiful things that we have there that are sort of missing when you come back to the mainland, you know, in some way.
	Yeah, you know, I attribute it to that aloha spirit.
	Right, I do too.
	And, you know, it's something that I talk about and have shared with people everywhere I go, around the world, across the country.
	Just sharing the really powerful spiritual meaning behind what is Aloha.
	Because people are like, okay, does it mean hello or goodbye?
	You know, what does this word actually mean?
	But that spiritual meaning behind the word, the reason why we greet each other with Aloha is because of the spiritual connection that we have.
	Um, as children of God, as that eternal spirit within every one of us and how it allows us to just cut through all the crap and the labels.
	Are you a Democrat or Republican or black or white or Christian or Hindu or most like all of this stuff?
	All of it.
	It, it allows us to have, um, that meaningful engagement.
	And that respect.
	Connection.
	Exactly.
	That connection that transcends all of the labels so that, you know, whatever the topic of conversation may be, whatever the circumstance, we walk away Having elevated our own learning experience, our own ability to listen to each other, our own ability to communicate and have that heart-to-heart dialogue.
	And want to hear.
	Exactly.
	And receive.
	Yes.
	And share.
	Yes.
	But I think that so much of that being a farmer over there, which is what I love about the big island that I live on, a different island than you.
	Yeah.
	But the people are stewards of and protectorates of and connected to The land and nature and the beauty that we see every day, the breathtaking beauty that we see every day also feeds that spiritual longing that we have that you don't get in concrete places, you know?
	It is.
	You're exactly right.
	That connection and that sense of responsibility.
	In Hawaii, it's called kuleana, as you know.
	And it's such a powerful word because it speaks to the fact that, what you said, we are stewards of the land, not consumers and exploiters.
	And that can be applied to every aspect of our lives.
	When we walk through our lives with that mentality of kuleanas, what is my duty?
	What is my responsibility as a person who's occupying space in this world?
	And who's connected to a community of Those we love.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Right?
	That was what got me involved with politics in the first place in Hawaii.
	I knew it, I knew it.
	Yeah, because I wanted to get into this whole thing about, like, Hawaii basically being an aina place, you know, where it's like, it's kind of one, it is in a way, all for one and one for all, because everyone takes care when somebody, you know, don't turn their back and go, I'm sorry, you don't have the right Insurance papers, that's not the reaction of the people, even if it's to bring an extra can of beans, you know?
	Exactly.
	It's always to give, to comfort, to soothe, it's just so loving.
	And I think that that was like a great part of why Hawaii is such a socialist country, I always call it that, you know?
	And I was drawn to that when I went because I was so much into socialism my whole life, Parents raised us, and my grandparents, so they were like the old kind of socialists where it was about labor, like people being paid fairly, you know?
	Yeah.
	Not pronouns.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Back where I think people recognize that, you know, in our society we look out for each other, we take care of each other, and what government's role in society should be.
	Not to overreach or mandate or direct every aspect of our lives, but to make sure that, as you said, people are taken care of.
	And that was what people asked me all the time, because I was 21 years old, I made a decision to run for office, primarily motivated by my love for the Aina, for the land.
	And my, you know, I grew up in the ocean and, you know, hiking in the mountains, and this was my home.
	And I saw too many politicians, frankly, who didn't care.
	About any of that.
	But I had to decide what party I was going to run under because I wasn't raised in a political home in the sense of you're a this or you're a that.
	What year was this?
	This was 2002.
	And I ended up choosing the Democratic Party largely because at that time, it was still that traditional values in the sense of a President Kennedy type of Democrat, a Reverend Martin Luther King type of Democrat, a party that, as you know, in Hawaii's history, it went from being a Republican-controlled territory To total Democrat takeover because it was the Democrats and the union leaders who went in and fought for the plantation workers and the immigrants who were basically being treated like serfs.
	They were being paid crap, they had horrible living conditions, they were hardly paid anything, and as soon as one group stood up and said, like, hey, we're not going to stand for this, This was not what we signed the contract to come and do.
	Then they would pit the Filipinos against the Portuguese and say, fine, you guys don't want to work, we're going to go and pit this other group against you.
	And so it was the Democrats who came in and said, no, we must stand together for each other and bring about change.
	And they were successful in that.
	Now, the town I live in on the Big Island is the town where the labor rights started.
	Exactly.
	And there's a monument to it.
	Yes.
	So I understand what you're saying.
	Absolutely.
	And so that's where you look back at, you know, that was a democratic party that welcomed people from all different backgrounds, a party that still celebrated and actually fought to defend free speech, that civil liberties was critical.
	Even if they didn't like what you were saying, they would fight for your right to say it.
	And that's just where, you know, and this is why I wrote a book about why I left the Democratic Party is because people will draw assumptions like, oh, you've been a Democrat for 20 years and now all of a sudden you changed.
	Well, look at where the Democratic Party has gone.
	I always say that too.
	I still believe everything I always believed.
	I just look at the different ways of getting there and I go, I didn't leave the party, it left me, right?
	And there's so many people who feel exactly the way that we do right now with the insanity of everything that's going on.
	Something as basic and fundamental as free speech.
	We can't take that for granted anymore, because the people in charge of the Democratic Party today, number one, they don't reflect the rank and file Democrats in the country, and they are actively saying, yeah, no free speech, we don't think it applies anymore.
	Well, this is a subject of your newest book, right?
	It is, it is.
	It's the first book that I've ever written, and it really, it talks about my personal experiences, and it talks about and diagnoses The ways that the Democratic Party of today are threatening these most fundamental values and principles that make us who we are as Americans and that make this country the great country that it is.
	The one we love and fought and died for and paid for as well, right?
	Exactly.
	They have tried to strip us of everything, including our right to say, no, we won't take a forced I mean, yes to that and the fact that even during that whole COVID period, and I know you know this very well because you've been on the receiving end of this, is just saying things like, hey, we should try to be healthier.
	Maybe there are alternative treatments that you can pursue.
	Maybe we should listen to these other doctors instead of you ruining their lives and censoring them.
	Maybe they have something To say.
	I never thought we would live in a country, and I know as you do, there are physicians who I've gotten to know, especially in California and some other places, whose licenses are being threatened if they dared to express their professional medical opinion about how people could be treated or how they could preemptively, you know, try to stay healthy.
	Yeah.
	When do you think that big change came, the big crackdown, the big lockdown, where the Democrat Party went, I guess, Stalinist or whatever it is, or fascist, both maybe?
	Yeah.
	When did that happen?
	To me, in my experience, and I'd be curious to see what you experienced, but I was serving in Congress.
	I was elected to Congress in 2012, representing the Big Island, representing basically all of rural Hawaii, except for the downtown urban corridor of Honolulu.
	What I saw was a huge shift in change was when Donald Trump announced he was running for president.
	He hadn't even been elected yet.
	So that was 15?
	the Democrat leadership. That was 15 going into 16 in that 2016 election.
	And, you know, it went from the initial period of just like, Oh, it's Donald
	He'll never get elected.
	He's got no shot.
	And both Republican and Democrat leaders in Washington were all saying the same thing.
	This guy's a joke, and he's this, and he's that, and there's no way.
	And these are part of the Washington establishment.
	But once they realized that he was striking a chord in the country that the Washington elite were ignoring, That's when they started to get very scared.
	And they started to realize that, hey, maybe there's a chance that this guy could win.
	And that's where, of course, Hillary Clinton started waging the whole, you know, he's a Russian puppet, etc., etc.
	campaign.
	Which he did to you, too.
	Which she and the Democrat elite have done to me, they're doing to Bobby Kennedy, they do to Tucker Carlson, they do to anybody on either side of the aisle who they view as a threat to their power.
	They did it to me.
	Yeah.
	Because I basically called out The whole Democrat apparatus.
	Didn't they cancel your show?
	They canceled my show and killed my character and then brought my show back without me and stole my life's work.
	Chased off her life.
	Well, Ma, I know that you're not married now and you're back on the prowl, but soon I think... On the prowl?
	I think you're going to end up with somebody.
	You can't be alone.
	Oh, God, I don't want to be with anybody.
	You say that every time... Unless it was just to use them like on the ID channel where you marry them and then take the assurance policy out and then, you know...
	Put them, whatchamacallit, antifreeze in their orange juice.
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	Yeah, you can't kill them right away, like six months after you take out the policy, like a lot of these people on the ID channel.
	They get caught because they get a big payout six months after the poor soul.
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	Right?
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	Okay, let's keep going.
	They're not effing around.
	No.
	You are not to say, there's a couple things you can't say.
	Muslim Brotherhood.
	Right.
	You can't say that.
	Right.
	And number two, you can't liken the victim, the victim point of view that the Democrat Party's trying to force down everybody's throat, which is exactly the plot of the movie Planet of the Apes.
	Exactly.
	The same thing of standing up there.
	We cannot allow, just like they're doing, we can't allow these human beings to have a vote or a voice.
	Exactly.
	That's what that movie was about.
	It's true.
	They're not allowed to speak.
	That's true.
	They can't read.
	They're just, you know, feudal slaves.
	Yeah.
	And that is what it is.
	Yeah.
	They did it in Egypt, and they did it in Iran, and now they're just doing it here.
	They did it in Ukraine, too.
	You know what's interesting about that?
	You mentioned that you can't mention the Muslim Brotherhood.
	You can't mention radical Islamist terrorism.
	Or the Iran deal, mostly.
	Yeah, true.
	But that's a byproduct of what is this deeper underlying threat?
	And there's such a powerful connection to what you're talking about and what you experienced to what we're seeing today.
	Because I went through the same thing during President Obama's reign while I was in Congress.
	I got a lot of crap from the Democrat elite in Washington because I was pointing out the fact that in terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS and everything else, yes, we're battling them.
	But you have to not only wage a kinetic warfare, they are waging an ideological warfare around the world.
	Their goal, the goal of Islamism by definition is to exert governance and control over the world according to their Islamist rule.
	That is their goal.
	It's a caliphate.
	It is a caliphate.
	Under the Obama administration, they stopped, while I was in Congress, they stopped saying that these are radical Islamist terrorists and changed the terminology to say they are violent extremists.
	Right.
	And they refused to wage that ideological warfare.
	So fast forward to where we are now, both here in the United States and around the world, still these Democrats are afraid of calling out this ideology for what it is and how it poses the greatest short and long-term threat to freedom and civilization.
	Because they're afraid of being called Islamophobes.
	And so what happens on our college campuses when you have all of these college students yelling pro-Hamas mantras and chants and saying, you know, pro-genocide against the Jews and October 7th, 10,000 times over and over.
	It's because of this failure by leaders in the West to wage this counter-ideological warfare, which is essentially one where we stand for freedom.
	Well, don't you think that's because they all believe in that?
	They love the idea of a caliphate.
	Marxism is the very same thing.
	When you really study the whole economic thing and you go, okay, just Rampaging capitalism is a pyramid, right?
	You got a whole bunch of people supporting a little tiny amount on the top.
	So here comes Marx, because I did all the study on it, and he inverts that pyramid so that it, of course, is going to crumble because, you know, it can't sustain.
	And then when it crumbles, a caliphate comes in.
	And that's what they like because most of all they despise women's rights.
	I don't know why people can't see that that's what this is at the base of it is to obliterate woman as a sex as a protected class, and they're all like marching for it.
	It drives me crazy.
	It's insane.
	It's literal insanity.
	And what they're doing is exactly that.
	They are trying to erase the word woman from the English language from government documents and regulations.
	Mother.
	Completely change the language.
	Mother.
	Chess feeder is my favorite.
	Girls.
	It's so bizarre, isn't it?
	Like Title IX, he just signed that away.
	I know.
	It's unbelievable!
	The stroke of a pen undid over 50 years of progress for women and girls.
	And, of course, bypassing our own democratic process of Congress.
	Like, if you want to go do that, take it to Congress and see if you can pass that legislation.
	And wasn't the Democrat Party for women's rights at one time?
	They still claim to be.
	They're running on it.
	That's what's so bizarre.
	That's their whole campaign, but they're inverting it from abortion in Roe v. Wade.
	So it's like the Republicans are after you.
	They don't want women to have rights because you can't have an abortion.
	They want total control.
	That is their goal.
	They pick and choose.
	They invest that with you.
	Oh, they invert everything.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's politics.
	A friend of mine called it the perverse reverse.
	That whole ideological BS.
	They want total control.
	That is their goal.
	They want total control and total power over every aspect of their lives.
	It is so short-sighted though as they are undermining our democracy, undermining the
	rule of law, undermining our fundamental freedoms because at some point, there would be a time
	There will be a shift in power.
	And then what are they going to do when they're on the receiving end?
	They've set this new norm that this is what it's going to be in America if we as voters allow them to continue.
	And if they're successful in doing that, when the powers shift in the other direction, they will be the ones who will likely face censorship.
	They will be the ones who likely face the kinds of political oppression that they're waging against their political opponents today.
	Well, there are so many different ways it could go.
	I mean, I don't think any of us really know.
	Because it could be like, if Trump does win and is elected, that riots just hit every street corner in this country.
	That could be one thing.
	And it could be worse than ever.
	Worse division and a real civil war.
	That could happen.
	It could happen the other way, too.
	It could be that we suspend the elections.
	Have you thought of that?
	That's one I think about a lot, that there is no election.
	I think that given everything we've seen so far, how brazen they are weaponizing the Department of Justice, Waging this lawfare.
	Yes, of course, most prominently against Donald Trump, but they're also doing it very quietly against everyday Americans.
	Oh, yeah.
	Grandmothers who are on the grass.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Who support Trump.
	For exercising their right to freedom of speech, freedom of expression.
	They hate our civil rights, don't they?
	Yes.
	Well, just ours.
	Just ours.
	They don't mind Antifa's civil rights.
	Right.
	Exactly.
	Did that start with the Patriot Act?
	Was that, was this like incremental, like in Nazi Germany?
	It didn't just start overnight in Nazi Germany.
	The first thing was you had to register for a phone if you were Jewish.
	And every day in increments.
	And it seems to me like maybe incrementally Trump might have stepped in and messed with their timeline a little bit for those four years.
	Yeah.
	And so they had to hurry up to catch up where they would have been if he hadn't been elected.
	Yeah, you know, there's certainly the uniparty of Washington of warmongers who They never hesitate to take away more of our liberty with the excuse that they need to do so in order to make us more secure.
	And the Patriot Act was a huge turning point.
	And a lot of people don't know this.
	I get into this in detail in my book is they think that, well, all of this was necessary in order for us to secure our country and make sure there was not another 9-11 style terrorist attack.
	But the reality is- And then there were 50.
	The reality is, though, that many of those- But the reality is they were not as big as that day.
	Well, they were trying to pass these authorities to violate our civil liberties- Spy.
	And spy on everyday Americans, long before 9-11 ever happened.
	And rightly enough, there were people in Congress saying, no, that's unconstitutional.
	That's a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
	We're not gonna go for it.
	So they waited and bided their time The terrorist attack happened on 9-11 and they saw, here's our opportunity, and they jammed all of this stuff in legislation called the Patriot Act and threatened... Which is not patriotic at all.
	No, it's not.
	They always have the reverse.
	Of course.
	It's marketing.
	Of course, it is.
	But didn't that suspend our constitution in a way?
	It had that effect.
	And they told people like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich and others who had the courage to stand up against it that you are traitors.
	Anyone who votes against the Patriot Act is a traitor to our country who is inviting another 9-11 style terrorist attack.
	Including Cynthia McKinney.
	And so they they fear-mongered and browbeated and bullied members of Congress into submission.
	Including Cynthia McKinney.
	That's right.
	I think there was only one US senator that voted against the Patriot Act courageously
	because he saw he saw what was wrong with it.
	Who was that?
	He was from the Midwest.
	I can't remember his name right now.
	It's not important.
	It seems to me like all of that Patriot Act shit was just a way to open the treasury to these warmongers.
	And it is the war party.
	And then they can just, yeehaw!
	Three billion went missing.
	You remember just before 9-1-1?
	I mean, they just stole everything we had.
	They sold it.
	And they are still continuing to this day.
	You think they sold our secrets to China?
	They never got caught on the carpet for any of it.
	They sold, you know, they left our weapons in Afghanistan and it's proven so many of those weapons were used on October 7th against Israel, which that was the subject and the context of my tweet that got me fired was That the Iran deal was an existential threat to the people of Israel.
	And I knew it because I'm a Jew, so I studied that part of the world.
	Of course.
	And of course it came true.
	And it's like they still go, oh, you said someone looked like a monkey.
	I mean, it's just their stupidity.
	It's irritating to me.
	Well, their tactics, what they did to you is like the oldest tried and true tactic that they use.
	Because they refuse to have a dialogue based on substance.
	Where you're making a substantive statement or an argument, they refuse to come back and say, no, Roseanne, you're wrong because of X, Y, or Z. Instead, they resort to censoring, canceling, name-calling, and smearing.
	And they do it, unfortunately, because it works.
	It sure does.
	It works.
	People believe it.
	It works for years, yeah.
	But this is where I have some hope.
	That the tides are shifting a bit because more and more Americans are turning off the traditional news channels, whether they be cable or newspapers or whatever.
	Propaganda channels.
	Right.
	And they are propaganda channels.
	And they're looking, there are so many other alternative sources of information now, primarily through podcasts and other things that people have access to at least a broader spectrum of information to be able to make their own decisions for themselves, which is what this whole Is it life about that?
	It should be.
	Right?
	I was going to ask you because I was reading that your original religion is that you were born Hindu.
	Practicing Hindu, yeah.
	Mom's practicing Hindu, Dad's practicing Catholic, but for us growing up, I never knew what sectarianism was.
	There was never any point where like, alright kids, you gotta choose.
	Are you going to mass with dad or are you going to have a kirtan with mom?
	We went to sleep at night with bedtime stories from both the Bhagavad Gita as well as the New Testament.
	And religion, real religion I understood from a young age is about love for God.
	No, yeah.
	Period.
	It's not about what building you go and worship in or really the label that you call yourself.
	It's about developing your own personal loving relationship with God.
	Isn't it?
	Yeah.
	And that is what I try to center my life around.
	That is what motivates me to do what I'm doing.
	I heard you just talking about becoming a Christian and your love of You know, Jesus Christ and all that, so you made it.
	Was that a big shift?
	No, there's no shift at all, quite frankly.
	It really is about, you know, what is Jesus Christ's first and foremost commandment?
	It is to love God with all of your heart, your mind, and your entire being, and second, to love your neighbor like yourself.
	The essence of his first commandment is the essence of Lord Krishna's teaching in the Bhagavad Gita, which Bhagavad Gita means Song of God.
	There is only one God.
	He has many names.
	He is all-knowing, all-powerful, all-beautiful, all-loving.
	And so there's no shift or difference in really the heart of what I know to be the real meaning of religion.
	That's fantastic.
	It's beautiful.
	Judaism is so much like Hinduism, and a lot of Jewish people call themselves Jindus.
	Is that right?
	Yeah, because there's so much in common there, as there is with Christianity, with everybody, really.
	But I wanted to talk to you about the Christian thing, because you said you have hope.
	I do, too.
	I have great hope, because I know that in Iran, Christianity is spreading like wildfire.
	I don't know if you knew that, did you?
	No.
	Mm-hmm.
	I feel really hopeful about that because the first thing they do when they become Christian in Iran, I told people this before, but I was in Israel, you know, I told you I'm Jewish.
	Anyway, so we were in Israel and our phones rang.
	This was 10 years ago and it was people in Iran and we don't know how they got our phone numbers or anything.
	Wow.
	It was weird.
	And they said, we just want you to know that the people of Iran love you.
	We love the Jews.
	We love Israel.
	And we were dumbfounded.
	And then we began a very long conversation with those people, which I was having in my tweet.
	Interesting.
	Yeah, just to tell you.
	But yeah, it's spreading like wildfire.
	And so that is like, Opening people up, just to open up to new ideas is just the way the world's going.
	And with love, Instead of, you know, division and needing to be right and hate and all that.
	Which is fear.
	Yeah, which is fear, exactly.
	It is hopeful.
	It is.
	It is.
	I wanted to also say, you know I ran for president as a socialist in 2012?
	I did know that.
	And you know why?
	Because I was part of a women's group that helped kick Monsanto off the Big Island.
	Wow.
	In 2010.
	Okay.
	But in my process of seeing that it was just The very same thing of fleecing people to get their money.
	Yeah.
	I was attracted to Trump because I see him as a populist.
	Yeah.
	You know, solving actual problems in our country for our people.
	Exactly.
	Right?
	Yes.
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	It's funny because through my time in Washington, I would hear from a lot of, whether it's a Washington think tank or the people who make up that elite in Washington, and so often, and you still hear this to this day, they see populism, the word populist, as a negative thing.
	They talk about the rise of populism in America and the world and the great threat that this poses.
	And I had a conversation with someone one day in my office and I said, what's wrong with populism?
	Tell me what's wrong with it.
	Because to me, by definition, populism is the rise of people standing up for what's in the best interest of the people.
	And they reveal their hand because they're afraid of that.
	Right.
	Because they, and this is what's at the heart of everything that the Democratic leaders are doing today, is they see a free people as the greatest threat to their power.
	Yes, they do.
	That says more about them than it does about the rise of the people.
	They hate the idea of states against the big bloated federal government.
	Yes!
	That's why they freaked out when they overturned Roe v. Wade because it went back to, hey, it's between a woman and her doctor and the community.
	Yeah.
	between the government and a bunch of crazy people that scream in the streets.
	It's a woman and her doctor, which the Democrats, that's how they, that's how they sold it.
	Right.
	So they've betrayed themselves on that too.
	And it is like, uh, you know, going back to the power of the woman and the community and the small government that they hate because that, uh, suggests that people have the power.
	To elect their representatives to create the legislation that stays in the community, doesn't go to the Ukraine, the money.
	It doesn't get laundered.
	That's why they don't like it.
	That level of accountability, which is so difficult and lacking right now.
	That's exactly right.
	They want more and more centralized power because that is That is who they are, that's what they thrive off of, and they can't have that centralized power if you have more power that's decentralized, first and foremost to the individual, which is what our founders envisioned for us, is that individual liberty, and therefore that individual responsibility, and to decentralize government power as much as possible, because you then have that direct relationship
	With your city council member or your state representative, or even your elected representative to Washington.
	I've seen so much.
	And like you said, in every part of our lives, we hope that we listen to what's going on around us.
	We learn from our experiences and we grow.
	For some reason in politics, that's not allowed.
	But that's what I would hope for, for our elected leaders.
	And I've seen so much and learned so much throughout my time serving at every level of government and seen how even those with good intentions in the federal government who, as we started this conversation, who want to do things to help those who are in need, the answer isn't more big government.
	It's not the government as the...
	Greatest employer.
	The greatest employer, or the greatest caretaker, or the greatest educator.
	There are basic essential services, yes.
	Like, hey, secure our country.
	Secure our borders.
	Our streets, our schools, our hospitals.
	Exactly.
	Water is drinkable.
	I like drinkable water.
	But when you look at things like education, You're a new dad, Jake.
	Oh, they're homeschooled.
	I'm not doing it.
	Exactly.
	I was homeschooled, too.
	I homeschooled his brother for 28 years now.
	He's almost 28.
	It's ongoing.
	It's a lifelong education.
	I was not homeschooled, but I wish I was, to be honest, because I had to relearn.
	I had to teach myself a lot after high school.
	I dropped out of college, and after that, I started educating myself.
	And then I was like, hey, I'm pretty smart.
	Who knew?
	I didn't know until I was 20 that I could learn.
	It was so friggin' boring and stupid.
	Well, they just want to create a docile worker, I guess.
	Yeah.
	They don't train you how to survive.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	Compliance.
	Anyway, you were saying, sorry.
	No, it's just, you know, we're in Austin right now.
	And you know, Austin is a very different place than Hilo, Hawaii.
	Right.
	Or any other, you know, East Palestine, Ohio.
	Or pick your small town or your big city anywhere in the country.
	To think that a federally mandated curriculum or standard for education and method to deliver that education should be uniform across the country is ridiculous.
	It's absolutely ridiculous.
	And we're seeing more and more of our kids... It's completely racist, though, because the ones left behind are largely children of color, particularly African-American children.
	Or living in poverty.
	Yeah.
	It's classist, I think.
	And I think it's designed that way because they take the poverty money, they pocket all the money, they take public funds and put them in private pockets.
	Yeah.
	That's their whole Marxist scam.
	Yeah.
	And they don't want, and part of that is, again, they don't care about actually educating our kids.
	They won't give parents the right To decide whether or not they want to use our taxpayer dollars to go to a charter school, or a private school, or to a homeschool, for that matter.
	That's getting off the plantation, as Candace Owens says, you know?
	Because they feel entitled that they think they own the working class.
	Yeah.
	They think... They do.
	Because they think they vote Democrat no matter what.
	Exactly.
	And they think that we exist to work for and fund and support the bureaucracy.
	Exactly.
	And the people who vote, the 30% of people who vote for Biden and them work in the bureaucracy and they're only voting to protect their friggin' cushy job and benefits.
	They don't care about America.
	They only care about themselves.
	As a veteran, I've deployed to three different war zones.
	I still serve in the Army Reserve today.
	There are a lot of good people who work in the Veterans Affairs Department, but there are also a lot of people who are bought into and are the bureaucracy.
	And so when you call for help or you call to make an appointment, they treat you like you're bothering them.
	Oh, they do!
	And we see this across so many different government entities.
	I can't help myself every time I face that.
	I just, I can't because I'm, you know, just such a negative.
	I don't believe that for a second, Rosanne.
	No, it's true, Tulsi.
	100% true.
	Plus, some people think I'm funny, but I'll go like, I'm sorry, I hate to make you work.
	Yeah.
	But, yeah, it's an entitled, this entitled thing they got.
	They can just do anything.
	Can you even believe Hillary Clinton is still walking around?
	Do you know what?
	You talked a little bit about the election and could it be suspended.
	First of all, I think anything is possible.
	We can't be complacent and think that there is a boundary they're not willing to cross because they've shown us that that doesn't exist.
	Well, they're making up these crimes that aren't even crimes against Trump.
	Exactly.
	And they got people cheering for it.
	It's about time he paid for lifting that Band-Aid off that pillow.
	He deserves life.
	Right.
	It's true.
	I mean, we laugh about it because it's so insane, but unfortunately it's happening.
	But one of the things that someone brought up the other day to me was, oh, well, you know, You know, maybe they want to get rid of Joe Biden as their presidential candidate, and do you think that they will replace him with Hillary Clinton at the Democratic Convention?
	That's what I think.
	Of course!
	That's what I think the whole thing's about.
	I thought it was Michelle Obama.
	People have said that forever.
	I never thought it was going to be Michelle.
	No.
	I don't think they're going to do it.
	She don't have the temperament.
	She can't be nice for five minutes.
	She doesn't want it.
	Well, she can't be nice for five solid minutes.
	Have you noticed that?
	She's bothered by people.
	I don't blame her.
	I have so many questions.
	Can we just stick on this a little bit?
	Because I followed you for a long time.
	It will be Hillary.
	You're right.
	I was a Bernie bro.
	I know you endorsed Bernie.
	She was a Bernie bro.
	So around 15, 16 is where we all kind of were like, something's up.
	Yeah.
	Then the Wasserman Schultz emails come out and all the corruption that Hillary's behind.
	And I just want to take people through the timeline that listen to our show that don't know this.
	So right when Trump did announce, you were a rising star in the DNC at the time, I saw it.
	I feel like Hillary and the powers that be and Debbie saw you as a potential threat to their side.
	Yeah, you were a threat.
	And so was Trump.
	And I think that's when it happened.
	Bernie was the biggest threat at the time.
	Yes.
	So I think that they... Because he would have won.
	I think that, because we talked about that earlier in this podcast when that split happened.
	Yeah.
	I think it was even before Trump.
	I think it was when Bernie and that Bernie Bro movement happened that Hillary was like, no, it's my time.
	It's my turn.
	I let Obama reign.
	She was pissed about that.
	He was this young upstart.
	She saw you getting a little bit of that shine and Bernie.
	And I think that's when the Democrat party went insane because a lot of people don't know at that time she had loaned money to the DNC.
	They were bankrupt.
	Yeah, that's true.
	And she said, basically, and I can't believe people don't know this, basically, I'm going to fund you and you're going to do everything that I tell you.
	And they still are.
	That's what happened.
	No, they still are.
	And I think it's Hillary and Obama, I think it's just this, I don't even know, I think it's probably Hillary, but that's my question.
	You did say this one time, and I don't want to get you in trouble, but When all this stuff was moving against you after you destroyed Kamelon and ruined her political career.
	Oh God, the most brilliant!
	Catfight!
	I was like, catfight!
	Go over and grab her hair!
	No, she was done.
	She dropped out like two days later.
	And now she's the vice president.
	So that right there is kind of what I'm getting at.
	You had said, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you said something along the lines of, I think now I know who's pulling the strings.
	You were talking about Hillary Clinton?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I think you might have said that.
	I was.
	Back during that time, and I don't disagree with anything that you said, Jake.
	When I resigned, I was vice chair of the DNC.
	Debbie Wasserman Schultz was the chair of the DNC.
	I, first of all, I got a call two weeks after I was sworn in as a brand new member of Congress asking if I would be vice chair of the DNC.
	Yes.
	I had no, I literally, I was like, what is a vice chair of the DNC?
	Like, what do you want?
	What are you asking of me?
	Right.
	And so I said, yes.
	I thought, hey, if this is an opportunity where I can try to bring about some positive change, I will do it.
	But it was during that primary between Bernie and Hillary, obviously there were a few other candidates, but there was really a race between the two of them, that I saw two things.
	One was that they were tipping the scales heavily in favor of Hillary Clinton and defying what the rules of the DNC are, which is as officers of the DNC, you don't get involved in a primary election.
	And, number two, you'll remember that people talked about Hillary Clinton at the time as the most qualified person ever to run for president in our country's history.
	Yeah, I remember that.
	Ever!
	I used to think that too!
	TM.
	TM.
	I never thought that.
	I never thought that either.
	I was shocked by it because, you know, yeah, she's got some fancy titles, but what bothered me the most and why I resigned and endorsed Bernie Sanders was because there was no one in the media who was questioning, okay, well fine, she's had these titles, what has she done?
	What are the consequences of her decisions, both as Secretary of State, as U.S.
	Senate, as Senator, and so forth?
	And especially because she's asking to be President and Commander-in-Chief.
	And so for me as a soldier and as an American, that mattered a whole lot.
	Bernie, as we know, has long held more non-interventionist views.
	Hillary Clinton is the queen of warmongers who still reigns today.
	And my endorsement of Bernie was largely around that issue and to be able to have a platform to expose Hillary Clinton for who she really is to the American people so that at least we could make an informed choice.
	But what I didn't fully expect and what really did open my eyes was the very day after I made that announcement.
	It was Sunday on Meet the Press.
	I didn't tell anybody my decision until I announced it on live television.
	I went to work in Congress the next day and...
	A lot of my Democrat colleagues, former colleagues, come up to me just saying, you just committed political suicide.
	I hope you know that.
	Oh no!
	And I will write your eulogy for your political death and saying there is a shit list that the Clintons have and congratulations, you are now on it and it's virtually impossible to get off it.
	And Hillary Clinton will be president, and you as a member of Congress representing Hawaii will get nothing for your district.
	It doesn't matter how badly your constituents need funding for new bridges or roads or infrastructure, you will get nothing because of this decision that you just made.
	She's that corrupt?
	Yeah.
	And then a few weeks later, again, this also surprised me a little bit, but I was doing an interview at the first presidential primary debate, I think it was the first, between Or at least it was the first that I attended between Hillary and Bernie.
	An MSNBC reporter said on live television, it was in Miami, aren't you afraid of what the Clintons will do to you?
	And I laughed, I smiled, I was like, no, I'm not afraid.
	Was that a question or a threat?
	Like, look at what's at stake here.
	But increasingly, yeah, and then of course the targets were painted on my back and they still are.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	To this day.
	Which is why I love you even more now actually.
	Because it's a scary person to go up against.
	Yeah, but you know what helps?
	Listen or read the 91st Psalm.
	No arrow by night, no pestilence by day.
	Once you're tuned in and you know and you're connected, there's nothing that can There's nothing that can stop what's coming.
	No, no.
	And that's a big old freight train of change and intelligence from the American people united.
	That is, and that's the call to action that's at the end of my book and that I'm delivering everywhere I go is exactly that.
	We can have agreements or disagreements on, you know, healthcare policy or education policy or, How we solve the great challenges of our time, but we have to come together around our fundamental principles of freedom and our rights that are enshrined in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
	Because if we don't, if we can't come together around those principles in this election, at this time, I am.
	This is the most important election of my life.
	And these freedoms will be lost.
	In the world ever of every empire, every country and everything.
	West versus East.
	The West.
	Right.
	And it is about the elite and those who are abusing their power versus the people.
	It is those who seek to take our freedom away and those who appreciate and celebrate freedom And we have to come together to save our country.
	And what does that mean in a practical way in this election?
	That means voting out President Biden and Kamala Harris and those who abuse their power and take our freedom away in this election in November.
	And then it's like reorganizing from top to bottom.
	And then the real work, absolutely.
	Along the lines of the people will vote for who they choose as their legislatures.
	From the bottom up.
	That's right.
	Not from the top down.
	That's exactly right.
	Right?
	That's exactly right.
	And what I see, so hopeful about that, I really see it happening.
	I really see people becoming engaged in the local level.
	You know, that's what we have to do.
	Yeah.
	And that's what it was written for.
	The Constitution was written for that.
	That's exactly right.
	And, you know, I think they hate us so bad, the owners.
	They just despise us so bad.
	They want to inflict harm, non-stop terror and non-stop harm on the American people.
	The ones who won't bow down to that.
	I guess it's Agenda 2030, right?
	Isn't it just the U.N.
	coming in and taking over and making us a U.N.
	client state?
	It's a huge part of it.
	What's the agenda?
	I don't know what that is.
	It's the U.N.
	Agenda 2030 to take over the United States.
	And Obama already signed us over to it.
	Well, this decision that's before President Biden right now has to do with the World Health Organization's pandemic treaty, which is a part of that.
	Right.
	And again, this is one of those things they make sound nice.
	And of course, we in the As a member of the global community, we should all come together to try to help save people's lives.
	But what they're not telling the American people is that we would cede much of our sovereignty and our authority to make our own decisions through a representative government to this global organization made up of people who are globalists and who don't believe in the rights of individuals to make our own decisions for ourselves.
	They want to save us from ourselves.
	They're anti-American.
	That's the problem.
	They hate nation states.
	Yeah.
	They hate states.
	Yeah.
	They hate borders.
	They just want docile workers.
	Yes.
	That's all they want.
	Yes.
	And lab rats.
	Compliance.
	Yep.
	So they can, you know, create a disease and then come up with the antidote.
	It's just Nazi torture.
	It's exactly Auschwitz.
	That's like, as you're saying that, I'm thinking of, you know, so much of what's wrong with our own so-called healthcare system and how, you know, they create big pharma comes in and says, okay, here, you take this drug to treat this thing, and then we'll give you another drug to treat the problems that that other thing causes.
	Meanwhile, and again, I know this from a lot of veterans still today, a lot of my friends who are going to the VA and they're saying like, I'm struggling with this, whatever the problem may be, whether it be a physical challenge or a mental health challenge.
	And they walk out with literally a bag full of 20 different kinds of drugs, each one layering on top of the other, but none of them actually dealing with the deeply rooted challenge or problem that that veteran may be facing, which again, just shows like, what are the priorities here?
	Do you actually care about people and care about, uh, you know, identifying what is the core root cause of the problem?
	Of course they don't!
	We're a captive population and they can do experiments on us.
	Yes.
	I mean, it's as ugly as it can get.
	Yeah.
	It really, really is.
	And people don't want to see it because it's horrifying, but that's where it's at.
	Yeah, and that's where, as you said, that's where I see as bad as things are getting and have gotten and as dark as the times may seem, I am hopeful because even those who don't pay attention to politics, traditionally people are like, I don't like politics, I don't want to get involved.
	Maybe they don't even vote.
	It's getting harder and harder to ignore when you have a little girl who's going, to school and wants to compete on the swim team and now you're confronted with this reality of, are there going to be boys in her locker room?
	Well, the boys are all going to win, so she can't have any dreams.
	That's my point.
	I have two daughters and I tell them, you know, they fall and I'm like, don't cry, get up.
	I'm raising them tough.
	And someone's like, why are you so hard on them?
	And I said, because she's going to have to compete against men.
	Biological men pretending to be girls, and she's going to have to be tough.
	And even then, the men that are around that identify as men, they're weak.
	They're not like the old days.
	So it's like there's not even strong men to protect her.
	She's going to have to protect herself.
	They're both going to be going to martial arts.
	They're both going to be armed.
	People just need to get armed.
	It's just scary that I even have to think about this.
	They all need to walk around strapped.
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	You know, the thing about the Second Amendment, though, I think, again, has become one of those hyper-politicized issues, and one like every other one of our rights in the Constitution.
	We've got to go back and look at why did they pass the Second Amendment after the First Amendment.
	Because the Second Amendment protects the First Amendment, right?
	Exactly.
	They foresaw that at some point we would face an increasingly tyrannical government seeking to take away our liberties and our right to free speech, and that the Second Amendment serves as that check on the power of those who are abusing their power and turning our country more into something that resembles a banana republic and a dictatorship than
	one that represents a truly constitutional republic.
	Like one guy, the president, signs away generations of women's sacrifice and work.
	Exactly.
	By himself.
	And what recourse do we have?
	The only recourse that we have, yes, we can challenge this, and there are people challenging this in the courts, which is one of those co-equal branches of government that serves as that check on power, but also it's through exercising our right to vote.
	And there are too many people, and I keep harping on this, because there are too many people in our country who don't vote.
	I know.
	Whether they think that their vote won't count.
	Forty percent!
	Or they think that, you know, well, it's just that the government is too powerful, we don't matter anymore.
	I feel that way.
	Our founders envisioned a country where the power would exist within the hands of the people.
	That we are the ones who get to decide who works in our government, who we vote for.
	And how we decide to change.
	Correct.
	Because that's how we got rid of slavery, because we had the ability to change ingrained in our Constitution.
	That's right.
	When we realized something was wrong, we had the ability to change it.
	And we don't like that either.
	They want to divide us through this fear-mongering, through this divisiveness, through this race-baiting and racializing everything.
	Because we are weaker when we are divided and when we are not engaged.
	And so we have all of the power to bring about this change, but it's only if we choose to use it.
	Well, I just am asking for all the people who've never voted for once, do something different and go and vote.
	Of course, don't vote for Joe Biden.
	No, you've got to vote for Trump because we have to have populism.
	Vote for America.
	We've got to throw the bums out, save our country and reorganize it.
	We can't have criminals at the top that get away with stealing all our money.
	That's what needs to change.
	My hope is that, I want to ask you about the future.
	Because here's what I think is a real great thing for America, is the people in every community, in every state, get to see where the money is apportioned.
	Hello, that was envisioned too, but they stopped that with the Federal Reserve.
	But to actually see where our tax money in our community is apportioned, that will be The true republic, you know.
	Yeah.
	That transparency and that accountability.
	We can't have accountability without transparency.
	How do we hold people responsible if we don't know what they're doing and we don't know how they're spending our money?
	And the fact that, again, we go back to the uniparty of warmongers, the fact that leading Democrats and Republicans stood against strongly Rand Paul's amendment that simply would have said, hey, we need an inspector general, which is essentially someone who is watching, where is the money going?
	When you send hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine, We just went through over two decades in Afghanistan where there was a specifically appointed Inspector General to account where those dollars went and who told the American people.
	There were trillions of dollars that were wasted.
	There were trillions of dollars that went to the military-industrial complex.
	There's all this money that just disappeared in thin air and was never held accountable for.
	Right, and so why then are these Democrats and Republicans in Congress so opposed to that very same appointment of an Inspector General to tell us where the money's going in Ukraine?
	Because he'll tell us where the money's going.
	Because they know the truth!
	How about we get an Inspector General over the investments of Congress Yeah.
	And then we make inside trading on Congress illegal.
	Just ban it!
	I introduced legislation, Roseanne, when I was in Congress that did that.
	That if you're a member of the House or the Senate, if you are married to a member of the House or Senate, and if you're a senior staffer for those members, you don't get to trade in stocks in any way, shape, or form as long as you hold that position.
	I love that.
	Because whether you're doing it or not, the perception Perception is reality, and why should you have that special treatment to do things in insider trading that you are also very ready to throw private citizens in prison for, for doing the very same thing?
	Well, how about they all invested in inoculations, and then when people figured that out, they pass a law to hold All the pharma companies, for 78 years you can't sue them.
	Exactly.
	They just are protecting their own criminal ass.
	They're all prostitutes.
	They're paid prostitutes from lobbyists.
	They're mob bosses.
	They have nothing to do with the American people, and we're paying, and we're working Our lives away to pay them to do that to us.
	We're paying for our own demise and the destruction of our own country.
	How can that be?
	It makes me so mad.
	You know what?
	You and me should run for president and vice president.
	We should.
	On a party that likes women.
	Who's vice president, mom?
	And the earth.
	Which one's president?
	Which one's vice president?
	Won't we co-everything?
	Socialists, of course.
	But just to give ideas because these things need to be heard.
	They need not to be called crazy and laughed at when you count When you ask for accountability for our public servants.
	Exactly.
	Well, if they deny it, then you know they're guilty.
	That's simple.
	We already know they're all guilty for what they voted for.
	I mean, they voted for more money to leave our country.
	Yeah.
	Well, I do know, I hate to bring this up, but we're probably going to have to wrap up soon, but we have listeners to the show that are across the political spectrum.
	They're not all just what you would think.
	And there was someone, a few people had asked me this question.
	I already know your answer, but I just want to get it on tape.
	Your early statements on Israel, on the funding of Israel, and your current statements, some people feel you've changed.
	I don't see the change personally.
	I don't think you've changed.
	I just think you've got more... What would you say to them?
	I think you just spelled it out better.
	Well, first of all, just the overarching context that we should make our foreign policy decisions under in this country is what serves the best interests of the American people.
	First and foremost.
	I've always said that.
	That's never changed.
	And so when we look at different situations like Ukraine, and you look at different situations in different parts of the world, we should make that decision.
	Do we get involved or not?
	And if so, how?
	Based on, does this serve the best interests of the safety, security, and freedom of the American people or not?
	When you look at what's happening in this proxy war against Russia, and I'm just using the two to compare, that is a war that is undermining our security, pushing us closer to the brink of nuclear Armageddon.
	Do you think that's all to cover up their crimes?
	It's serving the interests of the military-industrial complex.
	It's furthering something that a lot of these neocons have wanted for a long time, which is to get rid of Putin.
	They have no articulated idea of, OK, well, if that's your plan, who's the next guy that's going to take over?
	And is he going to be better for our security interests?
	Everybody who knows what's going on in Russia says, no, the next guy in line is going to be an even more hardline radical than Putin is.
	So again, short-sighted decisions that are counter to our national security interests.
	This is a war that our president should have immediately stepped in to try to negotiate an end to as quickly as possible.
	The biggest military experts of today have said the only way this war ends is if there is a negotiated end.
	Right.
	So we're almost two years into this war.
	How many Ukrainians have died, all because the President of the United States and his cronies have not only not led a negotiated end to this war, but have stood in the way of Other leaders of other countries who've tried to broker a peace agreement and told Ukraine, don't do it, don't settle.
	So they've got the blood on their hands of every Ukrainian that's died in this war.
	So you look at this war between Israel and Hamas right now.
	My position is that Hamas, like every other radical Islamist terrorist organization, poses a direct threat to freedom and civilization.
	Thank you.
	Hamas, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, and so forth.
	And so, yes, we have an interest for the safety, security, and freedom of the American people to defeat these Islamist terrorist groups like Hamas.
	Both from a kinetic standpoint, a military standpoint, as well as from an ideological standpoint.
	Why do you think that messaging is getting lost in America?
	Because they are equating Ukraine and money laundering and the war party.
	By they, I mean The people that listen to us, and they're kind of seeing it as a similar situation.
	It's like, oh, here's another foreign war we're getting, but they're nothing similar.
	We try and educate them on this, and they're like, well, of course you're part of the Zionists, whatever.
	I think that speaks to it right there, is there are unfortunately people who, and you, I'm sure you've faced this, and you're more directly, personally aware of this than most people, but There is such a hatred of Israel by a group of people who are otherwise reasonable and open-minded and you can have an open dialogue and conversation with around a lot of other issues.
	But when it comes to Israel, there's just a different standard that's applied, which is unfortunate.
	Well, it's just, for me, it's like, I'm going to calmly say this.
	When I studied it, it's like, you know, uh, Obama has a lot of influence over there in Tel Aviv, like he has in Columbia University and, you know, San Francisco, you know, liberal bastions.
	He's got a lot of, I call them Obama Jews, over there, and they think the same way.
	They didn't like their Department of Justice because they make laws by judicial fiat, such as Roe v. Wade, too.
	They don't involve the people in any of their laws.
	They just get some elitist judges in a room and they decide what the law is.
	And they like that, the leftists.
	But the people who live under it don't.
	It's the same thing here, you know?
	Yeah.
	It's the elitists and the owners, and they also gave so much money to, uh, Hamas.
	And I always say Hamas's headquarters is in Chicago.
	I mean, it's just all tied up.
	It's certainly, it's certainly, again, this is, and this is, it's certainly in Qatar where they have, you know, billionaires.
	Well, yeah, that's where all the money comes from.
	Right, exactly.
	Well, that's what I was going to bring up, the college campuses and the, the, there's a, that's the number one.
	It's a very big problem that people who share our non-interventionist views, we also have to be realists and understand that as much as we would like to live in a peaceful society where there is no war, which would be perfect, that's not the real world.
	That is not the reality that we live in.
	The enemies are at the gates.
	They are.
	And again, there is an unwillingness to understand that those, of course, we don't want to see the suffering of the Palestinian people and needless loss of life of people anywhere.
	Hamas doesn't care about Palestinian lives.
	Their goal is to exterminate all Jewish people and wipe Israel off the face of the earth and implement this Islamic caliphate that will take away, you know, from a broader sense, that will take away the freedom that we love and cherish.
	Well, they would take Israel out and then come here.
	That's what Israel's the first to do.
	Exactly.
	And how do you negotiate a ceasefire with an Islamist terrorist group that celebrates death Yeah.
	And martyrdom.
	They have no interest in a ceasefire.
	They have no interest in saving the lives of innocent Palestinians.
	And so, you know, even like, how do you even have a common sense conversation around, you know, a Hamas-led Palestinian state?
	It's an Islamist terrorist organization.
	It's a Nazi state.
	That's what they want, with no Jews living in it.
	And they just don't like Jews.
	It's an age-old hatred.
	It's inexplicable.
	It can't be erased.
	I mean, it needs to be like, you know, when we went in Germany and all those places, we had to invest in re-educating people.
	And, you know, I know they don't have any interest in being re-educated, but there has to be something besides just endless war and death.
	There has to be some kind of Incentive or something?
	Yeah.
	And I really feel there will be because I really think that we're at a desperate time and I'm one of these people, like you, I'm assuming, but, you know, I think I think the prayers of a lot of people united together to ask God's intelligence to descend on our stupid ass and just change things in us so that we can make a change in the world, that's the X factor.
	That's the one I'm always pulling for.
	It is my daily prayer.
	I am one of the many who, you know, my daily prayer to God is to ask for that.
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	It's like Increase love and dissipate hate.
	Exactly.
	Can you help us with that?
	We need some help down here for real.
	And the thing is... He's a listener of this podcast.
	He is.
	So yeah.
	We hope.
	You got the click, God follows you.
	Sometimes, if I'm not swearing.
	No, he's a big fan of that, too.
	I know you have to go.
	I just want to say, I noticed a theme in this episode, which is really cool.
	Maybe I'm just seeing the pattern, but we're talking about the elites and the war party, and the biggest threat to them is individuals, empowered Americans.
	Then we talk about the caliphate and the Islamic movement to destroy the West, and it's like, oh my God, the number one Enemy of our enemy is being empowered, individual, and armed.
	No wonder they're coming after us.
	That love each other.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And by first reflex, this is what Torah says, you can't always love everybody and sometimes you're going to hate them, but you have to fix yourself so that your first reflex is love.
	Yeah.
	Not hate your first, hate Can't be your first reflex or you've lost.
	Oh, well then I'm screwed.
	And you can hate them after if they deserve it, but compassion, empathy, and love has to be your first impulse as a human being or else you're lost.
	Yes.
	Right?
	Love is the most powerful thing.
	And this is the problem that I see is love is too often equated with weakness.
	That love means you just roll over and you acquiesce and you let somebody walk all over you, treat you badly or whatever the case may be.
	That's how screwed we are.
	Love and I can, from my personal perspective, especially as we, you know, we're observing and honoring our fallen through this Memorial Day weekend, it is for love of country that my brothers and sisters paid the ultimate price.
	In service to our country.
	Forget the politics and the politicians.
	The fact that we have Americans who raise their hand and volunteer knowing that they very likely may be put in a position to give up everything, to give up their lives, that comes from a place of the deepest love possible as a mother, as a father.
	What your love would drive you to do to protect your child.
	What would you be willing to sacrifice?
	Everything driven by that love.
	Love is the most powerful thing.
	It is not weakness, and it's love that drives us to stand up for what is right, to have the courage to speak the truth, to have the courage to stand up against those neocons and warmongers, and to inspire us to take action To save our country at this very moment when our identity in this country, our foundation of this country is under attack.
	The great melting pot.
	Well said, I got goosebumps.
	I want to say this, those people who died in defense of our values, who gave their lives for them, they loved more than anything liberty more than life.
	Yes.
	And man, that's astounding.
	It is an astounding thought.
	And so I'd like to close with this, which a friend of mine, Mary Daly, wrote.
	There is no liberty without truth.
	And so, what a great interview.
	Go get her book.
	Thank you.
	Tulsi, thank you so much.
	Thank you.
	Thank you so much for coming.
	This has been such a wonderful just time.
	I'm grateful to be able to spend this time with both of you.
	Please come back.
	How nice.
	I'd love to.
	I mean, we love you.
	Let's rock this shit, girl.
	Let's do it.

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