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Feb. 29, 2024 - The Roseanne Barr Podcast
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"No water coming out of fire hydrants" Lahaina Rep Elle Cochran | The Roseanne Barr Podcast #37
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Greetings humans and earthlings and any animals who may be listening in from the animal kingdom to the sound of my melodious and fantastic speaking voice here today on the Roseanne Barr podcast.
And speaking of the natural world and its wonders, I have an interesting guest on with me today.
Her name is Ellie Cochran, and she is from the Hawaii State House of Representatives.
Am I right?
Yes, correct.
Representatives, am I right?
Yes, correct.
Yes.
♪ So you see, my patience is growing ♪ Well, and you are in Lahaina, right?
I am, yes, where I am born and raised and represent.
And how many generations you go back there with your family?
Actually, my family is originally from Oahu, so I'm just pretty much the first generation here in Lahaina, yeah.
But are you Pureblood Hawaiian person?
No.
No.
I'm half Okinawan and half Filipino.
Visayan.
Oh wow.
That's good to know.
Yeah.
Because there's so many of all kinds of Asian and people here.
Yes.
But I always like to ask because I love the, I love the mixture here.
It's so beautiful.
And the food's so great.
Yeah.
Well, Lahaina was the first place I ever visited once I got famous and had some money.
Everybody, of course, wants to go to Hawaii.
That's where I went in Lahaina and Maui.
When I look out my front door here in Hawaii, I can see Maui.
So always, you know, it's in my vision.
I'm always thinking of it.
What a beautiful island, what beautiful people, how nice everybody is.
Some crazies, but how nice and hospitable and everything.
Everybody is on the islands everywhere, but they're for me for many years.
And hearing things are wonderful here too, but oh, it just broke my heart to hear of the horror tragedy and terror of what happened.
And so, you know, I want to hear it first person from you.
So I'm giving you the floor to speak, please.
Yeah, and thank you so much for having me and wanting to, you know, hear my voice, I guess, my take on what had occurred I, again, have born and raised here in Lahaina, so the destruction of the entire town in front of my eyes, you know, taken by fire at first was very numbing.
I, like, disbelief in what I was experiencing and seeing.
Then obviously, you know, it sets in and it is definitely devastating, traumatic, and all the words that you can describe that type of feeling.
But I literally... Well, where were you?
Where were you when you first became aware of the overwhelming devastation?
Well, there was a fire above me.
So I'm just below the Lahainaluna High School.
So up Lahainaluna Road, where the big L is on the mountainside, I'm just below that.
So just above me, there was a fire early in the morning.
So it was on the news, oh, fire, it's contained, all good, but schools are closed.
So that's what I saw, and it was really, really windy.
I went outside, I was trying to clean up the yard, Got too windy.
I came back in the house.
I went down and took a nap and I woke up to the smell of smoke.
Really bad, thick smoke.
So I got up and I walked around my home going, we're at fire.
I thought they contained it.
Then I just noticed that my neighbors were all gone.
Like there was no cars on the streets.
I'm like, well, where is everybody?
So I drove down the road and that's when I just saw a block down the entire street, just fire.
All the homes, just a block down from me were up in flames, gone.
And at the time, I didn't even think, I mean, possibly people's lives, you know, were in those homes.
But I saw the fire truck, the firemen, and they were trying to, you know, hook up to the fire hydrant.
I have the fire chief's cell phone, so I called him directly and I said, you know, chief, I'm up at Kilauea Mauka.
This is the subdivision I live in.
I go, do we need to evacuate?
And he was on vacation.
I didn't realize he wasn't even on the island.
He was in Colorado at the time.
So I called him.
It was 3.58 p.m.
because I checked my phone records.
And I said, Chief, do we need to evacuate?
He said, why?
I said, because there's a really big fire.
And he said, let me call you right back.
So he hung up and called me back.
with, it was a 4.05 PM around there and he said, yes, you need to evacuate. I said, it
is gridlocked up here. And he goes, well, we'll get police up here to direct traffic.
I go, it's too late. When in front of me, I saw the firemen leave their hoses, jump
in their truck and leave.
So I thought, well, they're not here fighting the fire anymore.
I'm out of here.
So I went back home, grabbed my dogs, packed up a suitcase, and I drove out.
And already, down my road, the homes are already up in flames.
Cars were up in flames.
I'm driving out.
Fireballs are flying through the air, landing all around me.
I got into the thickest, blackest smoke and couldn't see a thing in front of me, but I knew the road was straight.
So I just kept driving straight and the winds just blew that thick smoke away.
So I now saw the road and drove out onto the bypass, behind a bypass and came up onto that.
On the hillside, I could look back and that's when the whole You know, town of Lahaina was going up in flames in front of my eyes.
So I was clear of the fire at this point, but just watching this in front of me was just, I didn't even know what to think at that time.
So continued up on the fire.
The word you shout at the end, whatever the word is, just the end, not inaction, whatever the word is, where nobody's expecting this to happen is ill-prepared.
That's the word.
Were you shocked at how well prepared the entire government and island and everybody in it was?
Yeah.
And you know, the unfortunate part back in 2018, we had Hurricane Lane and at that time we had a fire pop up too, in the same area, right above my home.
And at that time I felt we, we could have started preparing, right?
We already saw a glimpse of what could occur.
And yet, I don't know.
I think there were fire plans, what have you, and none of it.
You know how many people went to city council in 2018?
Because, you know, I got all political over here.
But in 2018, they were going and saying, you've got to address the water and the fire thing in Lahaina.
Because of what you said happened.
And they just blew them all off.
And then, you know how they just kind of slime them, so they go, this person's a wacko.
And they were completely prophetic and right on.
It's just so sad.
The inaction of the people I don't know what their mentality is, but they certainly do not care to serve the public who pays their salaries at all, do they?
Well, at times, yes.
I believe that a lot of times they forget, right?
We are public servants.
The people who pay taxes, that's our salaries.
That's our job.
They're the voters who get us into these seats.
That's who we should be.
We ought to be beholden to.
But unfortunately, most campaigns are funded by corporations, big money.
That's the special interest who the elected officials are beholden to.
I can honestly and openly say that is not how I've gotten into my politics.
You know my seats.
I'm grassroots.
That's why I don't have a 401k anymore.
I fund my own campaigns to get in because I want to be free to represent the people and not special interests and big money.
Well, what do you think is the most important thing you could do as far as Representing the people of Lahaina is.
What is that?
To be their voice, to be their voice, to stand up and be their voice.
And unfortunately, right, I'm just one voice, but I can continue to be there, be their eyes and ears, be their voice and do the best that I can.
I think people understand that I work, I try my hardest, do the best that I can.
I am not going to win all the votes or get votes or what have you, you know, but they know that I'm there at least to speak up.
Do you think that working on water rights is the most important thing?
What kind of legislation are you behind for the people?
Well, I mean, right now with the, if we're going to talk about our fire survivors, you know, the, the rents are out of control.
Housing is non-existent.
And, and you mentioned water, water is key.
That's the number one thing that anybody here in this entire state from governor on down can focus on and take care of.
It's not going to cost anybody money.
And I don't know why they're not talking about it because none, all the vacant lands surrounding me in Lahaina, Can not be built because there's no water.
I mean, there's water you need to reallocate.
They need to decide who gets designated what.
And because that's the first thing I did.
I asked all the owners of all the vacant lands around us.
And the number one thing they said is, Ellie, we would love to build, but we have no water.
But look at it this way.
The water source is above me, right below La Haina Luna, and we lost 3,200 subscribers on that water line.
So we have more than enough water right now.
The county is water dumping per se, but it's the way it's allocated.
Right?
So if we take the water that's not being used from Lahaina because there is no Lahaina, and we put it towards new construction and new housing, when Lahaina gets rebuilt, that water has to be there for Lahaina.
So in the meantime, though, for me, it's the number one thing we need to do is reallocate the source.
I think so too.
I can spend almost two weeks with no water on my farm here in Hawaii.
You know, which I've already had to sue the county so many times you wouldn't even believe it.
And then somebody told me after 10 years, Hey, you own the whole ditch.
I said, what?
But I don't even know.
It's got so many regulations and layers that you can't even, but yeah, we couldn't even flush a toilet or wash a dish or water a plant for 10 days.
And they said they finally found a leak, but you know, we're in a private orchard, uh, What do you call it, Jake?
Combo?
Not combo.
Yeah, I don't know.
Like an HOA.
Some people at the top, they I don't know for sure, but they
don't never run out of water.
Well, yeah, well, so you know, water is a public trust, right? It's
No one should own water per se, right?
It's the transmission of that public trust, right?
It's the transmission of it.
The waters fall from the sky, go down the stream, you know, you know, fill up our aquifers.
But if you tap in with the well, now you are drawing that source out, goes into your well, you pump it up into your pipes, you irrigate.
That's your water source now, right?
But per se, the water itself is not owned by anybody.
It's how it's being brought in.
So you have a ditch system.
The water in your ditch is bringing it to you and your orchards.
That's your right.
But I got no way of getting it up the hill.
It's crazy.
Well, the people at the top, to me, sounds like they're taking more than their fair share.
That happens here too.
Right?
They're taking too much of their fair share, thereby you and the bottom of the line aren't getting anything.
That happens here too.
That's what their fair share means, right?
Their fair share means all of it.
That's it.
Right.
And so people need to, they, yeah, they need to be called out on it.
And this is where we're at.
The horror of Lahaina, I thought, was about the water.
Because I was trying to irrigate my stuff, you know, and I knew what they were doing.
You know, I bet, you know, I don't want to say anything nasty.
But you know, you kind of wonder how many golf courses they diverted that water to.
Don't you?
It's not.
It's history.
It's the history of our waters.
So once upon a time, La Haina was the Venice of the Pacific, the Venice.
Canal Street down by the Banyan Tree was once a canal.
OK, there were ponds there.
Water was filled everywhere.
And then it got diverted by the plantations.
Right.
It got diverted and plantations turned into hotel resorts.
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No, it's the truth though.
It's the history.
I'm not making anything up.
I'm not exaggerating.
It's the flag.
Truth of the matter.
I have to say that Conopoly golf course does utilize our recycled water, our R1 water, which is excellent.
They use a lot of pesticides, but you know, they use our recycled water.
So that's a good thing.
So yeah, I think that just the whole dryness of Lahaina goes back hundreds, you know, 150, 160 years ago.
When the plantations, you know, came in, diverted, and then they monocropped, right?
They grew pineapple and cane, and then they just left the black plastic and the pesticide-ridden land and nothing else, and here's what we got, right?
Then the fallow grass grew, dried up, that became fuel for the fire.
And it just, it's the historical background that just added up.
I think it's just a lot of, you know, components that came together.
It's the perfect storm per se.
It really was.
It occurred that day.
I like that you say it's just history.
And of course it is just history.
Now what are we doing?
The state, I mean, I've been talking until I'm blue in the face.
I've been trying to get meetings with Sea Worm, which is the Commission on Water Resources Commission.
They have all the, you know, they call the shots on the water, right?
They have litigations, all this stuff, but we all need to come to the table and figure this out once and for all.
We can't just say, oh, it's tied up in litigation.
It's this, it's that.
Those are excuses to me.
We need to face it, all get in the same room.
Is it the governor?
Is it the mayor?
Whoever.
And sit down at a table and walk out of that room with a decision on who gets what water.
Because we're not going to get anywhere and we're going to sit here and suffer with no housing, with no food security, with no anything.
So, I don't know what else to say and do.
Again, I'm the one voice.
I'm like the soul, you know, jumping up and down over there.
And I just need more people to rally behind me, you know, and put the pressure where it matters.
Well, what you're really saying is what I've always said for years now, that people have to seize the means of their government at the local level.
Yes.
Is that right?
Yeah.
Completely agree.
That's right.
So I was once also a council member for eight years, which is more the local level.
Then I moved into the state.
I personally love the county council level where you're literally the boots on the ground.
I actually get to stay on the island I represent and be with the people day in and day out.
Get instant feedback.
You know, when you, when you do a law or ordinance or something, the people are going to tell you if they hate it or love it.
And I want that feedback.
That's how I can do my job better, right?
On a whole other island, you're just so disconnected.
And I just, it blows my mind that I can't hire somebody here as a liaison.
Like why?
You know?
So it just, a lot of this stuff doesn't make sense, especially on the state level.
Well, you're a sense maker, which is what everybody in the whole US of A needs are leaders that makes them sense of the common people who do All the work and also pay all the taxes and also do all the voting.
That's right.
I never forget that.
Yeah, I don't forget that.
It's always at the forefront.
Yes, go ahead, Jake.
So going back to the actual fires, because I'm sure you followed, there were conspiracy theories, Oliver.
We covered a lot of them on the show.
We had our own.
I don't really want to get into that with you, but I do want to say, from what I do remember, when the fires started, there was a water allocation problem that wasn't necessarily just lack of water.
There was some brief hold on the water and it confused us mainlanders. And
that's one of the things I want to ask you since you were here. We, you know, me and
my mom, we, we spread stories and today we're like, let's not put our stuff on it. Let's talk
to someone that was actually there.
When that happened, when the fires were happening, you said the firemen plugged up their hoses and
left. There was something that told them not to bring the water, right? That spurned a bunch of
conspiracies. Was that just bad management or is there something we don't know? Or what did
you see on the ground? Like the governor put a hold on it.
That's what it looked like. I saw no water coming out of the...
I saw no water coming out of the fire hydrants in front of my eyes.
That's why the firemen left their hoses and drove off.
There was no water to fight the fire, literally in front of me.
It was trickling, spurting out of the fire hydrant.
What I was told after, I was like, what the hell?
And the water, like I said, right up the hill from me is the water treatment plant for Maui County.
Our only source of line is right above me.
And it went down.
I guess the wind, the electric was shut down, whatever it is.
But how is it that our only water source has no redundancy?
Has no backup generator?
Has no backup what?
Solar?
Behind us is the sun.
There's a solar farm right next to the freaking building.
Like what?
What happened there?
You know?
And I don't know.
There were other things too.
There was no water.
But there was other mishandling, right?
Well, I mean, no sirens.
Right?
That would have helped if we had sirens.
I would have woken up, right?
I would have woken up and been- Yeah, you slept.
We didn't even know anything was going on.
I didn't know.
I kind of heard some muffly, like the police was going by, going, rrrr.
You know, I'm like, what was that?
That's why I went outside and then called fire chief to say, what's going on?
So no sirens, no water.
Was there anything else you noticed?
I mean, the winds were exploding.
They weren't helping anybody to evacuate either.
That's what we heard.
And I mean, there was no electric, so there was no internet, there was no TV, there was no nothing.
It was a matter of walking outside and looking around and going, what's going on?
And I think people who were in the heart of Lahaina, you know, where the old mill camp, we call it, where the Pioneer Mill, the stack is.
Back in Mir, it's the original camps, right?
For the mill workers.
And the roads are tiny.
The houses are, you know, back to back on top of each other and tiny roads.
In there, there was no outlet.
And, you know, and when one caught, that was it.
And I think a lot of people there didn't really understand what was happening.
That wind, if it wasn't for the wind, this fire wouldn't have been as bad.
I guarantee that.
The wind was horrendous.
Again, I've been here for 59 years.
People who've lived here much longer than myself said they've never seen winds this strong.
So how did that happen?
You know, and they said it was the tail end of the hurricane, what, 600 miles away or something it was?
I don't...
But we have a wind here in Lahaina called Kaua'ula.
It's when the wind comes down the valley of Kaua'ula and it's taken out my church's Wai'ola.
We just celebrated 200 years.
A couple times the wind had come down so strong it blew our church down.
So this wind to me felt like that wind.
And it was, again, that perfect storm with the wind and the dryness and the water and what have you that just, you know, exacerbated.
But the other weird thing, and again, I don't, you know, I'm not conspiracy theorist or anything either, but what's odd is, check this out though, I just wanted to share real briefly, I was going back at some of my old emails From my office.
And it was about three months before this fire occurred.
A gentleman sent me an email telling me that he believes they're spraying things in the sky.
Right?
The color of the sun has changed.
The sky color changed.
And I kind of noticed that myself, but didn't really think much about it.
And so then, this is three months before the fire comes.
So then, right, conspiracy theories were saying there was almost like an accelerant that seemed like it was sprayed across the town, on the buildings, on whatever, whatever.
So I'm like, now thinking back to this guy's email that was three months before the fire, and then thinking about the talk the days after the fire, I'm like, well, is there a connection?
I don't know.
But it's really odd that And I remember thinking that the sunsets look different, the sky color is different, the morning sky.
I just thought, well, you know, I don't know.
Atmosphere changes, I don't know.
But who knows, right?
But we can't go back in time.
No, but you just say what you see.
Are you the only person in your circle that's kind of seeing these things going, that's a little strange?
Or is it when you're talking to people on the ground, do they see it as well?
Those talks have been going on, you know, early on, days, weeks after the fire.
I had all sorts of, you know, people's, you know, thoughts of what had occurred.
But this one email that I just saw a couple of days ago kind of brought back like, well, wait a minute now, maybe there is something to it.
I don't know.
I know a lot of people from Lahaina are coming over here to Hilo.
That's what's happening on the Big Island.
A lot of people are You know, from Lahaina coming over there to here.
They're dispersing all over.
I heard about 1500 people have left Lahaina.
You know, I'm going to say this.
I have the feeling from day one that things have been, whether it's on purpose or not, I don't know.
But the bottom line is people can't wait.
It feels like things are moving so slow.
Is it on purpose?
Isn't it?
I don't know.
But because of that fact, people can't hold out.
People just got back on their feet from COVID.
Now this, everything got ripped out from under them again.
They just don't have it in them, whether it's financially, just mentally, spiritually, anything left to do it all over again.
And I don't blame people, but for me, it's like, this is what government's supposed to be here for, to help.
I mean, bazillion dollars have come into this town.
I'm looking around going, well, where the hell is it?
And you haven't built one home, not one permanent home.
Everyone's talking about temporary this, temporary that.
I get it.
FEMA only funds temporary.
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But you know what?
That's no excuse.
We need to start getting people back on their land.
And I'm grateful that I still have my home.
I moved back to my home three days in.
Came back, I had no water, I cleaned, I got everything.
My refrigerators are going, my original ones, because I came right back and I cleaned them.
And, and, you know, I got spa, I got my yard, I got my, everything's good.
And, um, you know, others not so lucky, I get it, but I think we could be moving a lot quicker.
And because I was infrastructure chair for eight years with the county council, I know a lot about our Lahaina infrastructure and I know that we could, my thought, and this is common sense too, I think y'all can understand.
So where I live, Konakale Loop, there's about a hundred homes, right, that are still intact.
Infrastructure is good.
We got water, potable, we can drink it, it's good to go.
We got sewer, and we got electric, and we got cable, we got everything, all the infrastructure.
So go down a block from me, right?
That rural homes I said, from there, caught on fire, all the way down to the ocean is gone.
But just start clearing those lots.
Start hooking the infrastructure where it's good.
Keep going all the way till you hit the ocean.
Just keep, you know, road by road, lot by lot.
That's how I see we should be doing things.
And I think we're six months later, you know?
It seems like they want to chase everybody out so they have no hope of coming back.
My original thought process was this.
I was feeling guilt-tripped because I came back three days in, right?
How dare you, Ellie, come back?
I go, well, I have to bring resources.
There's people here too.
I got an uncle who has five heart medications he needs.
He got shrapnel in his eye.
He needs to have an operation.
I got a 90-year-old kupuna auntie down the road.
I got twin one-year-old infant babies here.
They need formula, diapers, and wipes.
Nobody's here to help them.
I'm bringing in supplies.
Well, how dare you?
It's dangerous.
The air is bad.
This and that.
You're next to the hazardous ash, Ellie.
Why are you letting people, the babies live there, the auntie live there?
I go, it's their right.
It's my right.
This is where I want to live and they want to live here.
I'm not kicking them out.
I'm not I applaud you.
them into leaving their home, the only thing they have left.
I go, but I'm going to make sure they're safe and they're healthy as long as they want to be here.
But I was getting guilt tripped to talk people out of their homes and leave La Haina. I'm like,
I'm not doing it. I'm not leaving. Don't talk me getting out of here. I'm just going to make sure
everybody's taken care of if they want to stay. And that's what I did. What I've been doing.
Well, I applaud you. I think that's the difficult way to go, but
the hard is often the best and I think you did the best thing.
Because the minute you walk away, everything they do is to get you to walk away.
I don't know why it happened, but it seems like It's orchestrated at a very high level, I think.
It feels that way.
It's money.
It's a lot of money.
And the insurance, I'm going to say, the majority of issues are with Allstate.
Oh, sorry, State Farm.
Sorry, Allstate, you've been good.
State Farm.
People are just being nickel and dime.
They pay their premiums and they're just not getting their fair share to rebuild.
And a few of my friends who have money, Isn't that awful that an insurance company
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's just not right.
And, and so that needs to be tackled.
The other thing is, you know, the whole, the whole FEMA will take your house and, and rent it for $5,000 for a studio and $16,000 for a three bedroom house.
How is that really helping any of us?
Because when they pull out, these homeowners are going to want to continue to get that type of rent.
Who can afford that?
Nobody.
Even before this, people couldn't afford the rent.
Now it's quadrupled, quintupled.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
I don't know how any of us are going to survive.
We need to rebuild.
We need to rebuild the homes that people, lots that people already have and get, you know, new and build on the lands that I, we were talking about earlier, we need water allocated there to get the infrastructure in to build.
You think you have a prayer of getting anything done?
You know, I mean, it's, it is a little bit, but I don't think it's the right type of, I don't know, you know, You look like you're kind of burned out and fed up.
I do have COVID right now, so I'm probably not up to 100% myself.
It's the second time I've gotten COVID.
The entire Capitol building is just, yeah, it's a total crisis COVID building.
Well, when I talked to you last week, you were fired up like this.
You were this fired up.
You're fired up.
You've been dealing with it.
Sick or not sick, I got the fire in me to keep going.
And it's the people who really...
They keep me motivated because that's what I'm here for.
And I will always be, and they know that.
Whether I'm elected or not, that is what I do.
That's what I live for.
This is my home.
I'm not going anywhere.
So nobody's going to kick me out, talk me out of staying, you know, and whatever.
Nobody's going to force you out or terrorize you out.
No.
Or try to, you know, destroy everything you've done to get you elected.
People try, but it's okay, go ahead.
A lot of conspiracy theories that started, we don't need to talk about what started it, but one of the things was whatever started it, whether it was Coordinated or This Perfect Storm, that it seems that the machinations are for that land, like my mom said, for that land to be sold or taken over.
Yeah, it's in between the Jordan Hotel.
Yeah, that's prime land for the people with money.
Regardless of how it happened, they're still going to jump on the opportunity, even if they weren't involved, and I'm just going to say that much.
What can we do, or what can you do to prevent that, other than you just staying and doing a homestead at your place with other people?
I mean, what can we do?
There's things going through the state, and it's horrible stuff, and I think it'll die eventually.
But the point is, there's a district that wants to get created.
It's called Lele, the Lele District, and it goes from Ma'alaya all the way through Lahaina, heading north towards Ka'anapali area.
And then there's a state entity that's supposedly going to be part of getting the vote.
They'll have authority or like an agency that's going to be Supposedly Lahaina people voted in to make the decisions for this new created district and blah, blah, blah.
It's like, how is that?
We already have districts.
I'm House District 14.
We have the West Maui County Council District.
We already have plans in place.
We already have the West Maui Community Plan.
We have general plans.
We have water use and development plans.
We have the Lahaina Historic District designation Districts one and two, there's, there's so many things already in place.
So why are we now creating this, this whatever?
Maybe cause they don't like what you got.
And so they want to supplant y'all.
Yeah.
Basically they want this entity to take over and make decisions for this whole area when we already have people in place like myself.
your council members and people in place to make decisions.
We all do need to get together and start putting- So this new entity, wait a minute,
this entity that wants to supplant you and everybody like you, I bet they're-
Funded. I bet they're corporate and tied up with big money.
Well, and here's the odd thing too.
It's just something that came together.
So my girlfriend in Oregon, she's watching everything.
She used to live in Lahaina and all that.
She's a planner, architect, landscape architect.
Anyway, she goes, this district that's being created, she goes, it reminds me of Disneyland in California.
When Disney went in, right, in Anaheim, wherever the hell, and also in Orlando, they kind of built and made their own district.
They wouldn't listen to state laws, to county laws.
Right, they didn't have to elevate no laws.
They made their own district.
And she goes, this thing reminds me of Disneyland.
I'm like, what?
Yeah, no black people live in the Disneyland territories.
You knew that, right?
No, I didn't.
So then someone says this, you know, over in Ko'olina on O'ahu, Aulani, that Disney hotel, supposedly that they were talking about wanting to do a big resort Aulani thing here in Lahaina.
So is it connected?
I'm like, oh my God.
Allegedly.
Right?
I bet it is.
There might be something there.
You see how they could market that whole Moana thing?
Yeah.
The Moana Park, yeah.
Ellie, I know this probably doesn't... The Moana Experience Park.
Yeah, right.
No, that'll never happen as long as I'm alive.
But Ellie, I think it's important to mention that you're a Democrat.
I know that probably doesn't matter to you as much, but for the people listening, because me and my mom get in trouble.
No, no, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying you're dealing with the government of Hawaii.
You're bringing up stuff about corruption.
You're fed up with it.
I just want people to know this isn't a political thing for you because you're actually calling on a lot of members of your own party.
And I think that's really important to get out that you're not It's not a political ad for you.
Everybody needs to be calling out the assholes at the top of everything.
Absolutely.
And she is.
So I was county council for eight years, so I ran four terms.
It's nonpartisan.
We don't pick seats as council members.
I ran for mayor.
You don't pick a seat.
You don't pick a party, I mean, right?
So then I ran for state house, but now you gotta pick a party.
So we are a primarily Democrat state.
You're going to get the most votes pulling a Democrat ticket.
And I feel like I'm, but you know what?
I mean, you can see my hair is purple, right?
So red and blue make purple.
So I'm a little bit of both.
I feel, I mean, half the time I'm going to just say it because I'm just open and transparent.
I get along more with the Republicans, you know, I mean, they're just like more real.
I think because I'm like the one kind of being, Talking about things that people don't want to talk about.
Because they're the minority, they have to speak loud and bold, you know, and open and make a strong statement like I typically do.
And maybe that's my reason.
But, you know, again, me saying I get along with Republicans is like, what the hell's wrong with me?
But I don't look at parties and I don't look at colors.
You know?
And it's like... We're still way past that.
We're into trying to get free of slavery.
All of us.
Yeah.
We're trying to get away from this monster that's trying to consume everybody.
Right.
And you know, Hawaii is a whole different animal, I feel, from other states in a way, in the sense where, not just that we're the remotest landmass in the world, but that our history, you know, of the overthrow and annexation And everything that still for me carries through today, right?
And people literally look at this land.
When they wake up, they're not American per se.
They were never asked to be.
They were forced into being part of this.
And technically, right, we're a military outpost for America.
Right?
Pearl Harbor, perfect outpost, military, all that stuff.
And, um, I, you know, again, I, I'm strictly for the people and, um, you know, I, where was the military actually for the fire?
They could have been here!
I know!
That's what I wondered!
You know what made me so mad about that?
One at a time, ladies.
We're both so fired up about this.
You know what made me so mad about that is that the fact is that the number one, uh, People who will sign up for recruitment to the armed services are the Hawaiian people.
You knew that, right?
Most people who volunteer to go in the armed forces are the Hawaiians by percentage are far ahead of anybody.
So why were they so failed by the U.S.
military?
Where was the U.S.
military?
They have military base over there on Oahu.
I could not believe it!
I feel like we aren't being told the truth.
Like over here on the Big Island, remember they had that fake, they said it was a nuclear bomb back when, you know, a few years back?
Remember over Hawaii?
Because everybody here on the Big Island, they got a text from the government saying, we're under nuclear attack.
And all my neighbors were kissing their children goodbye.
And then they come on a half hour later and go, oh, that was a, sorry, that was a screw up.
Yeah.
EG pushed the wrong button.
He sent the wrong text message or something.
So the weird hierarchy here is, and there's a bill going through the legislature right now.
So we, Maui, needed help.
Maui had to ask National Guard, Maui had to ask the mayor, whoever had to ask the military,
come over here, we need help.
They couldn't just like call them and go, hey, we're here, you need some help, we'll come over.
They have to be asked to come in, which is to me, stupid.
I mean, shouldn't we all just be going, hey, let's all pitch in.
How can we help you?
We'll be right over with our ships and our helicopters and whatever, you know.
Especially after Pearl Harbor.
Yeah, well, you know, that's the least they can do.
The least the military can do.
And I just feel like they have all the equipment in the world, they got money, they got Manpower and everything.
So I don't know.
It's just a weird thing to do with very wealthy people that think they're entitled.
You know, their entitlement is way off the charts.
And they're like, oh, I could acquire an extra 5000 acres.
You know, they don't even care about what happens to the people.
You know, it's like they're so out of touch with people that they the human element is just called the human element.
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Well, I think what you're saying, the perfect example is the island of Lanai.
Larry Ellison, And I use the term lightly, owns 98% of an island, right?
And that island now is a playground for billionaires, not just millionaires anymore.
It's beyond that.
Who knows what they're doing over there.
It's sad because they really talk about trying to get rid of the local people.
Right.
I mean, you know what they said about that?
As I looked it up and they said, I said, well, I asked people because I'm not a nosy old woman.
I always get my nose stuck in everyone's business.
But I'm like, what happened to the Hawaiian people of that island when he bought it?
And I was asking important people, you know, and what they said, because they always tried to make it look like they're benevolent.
They said, oh, he's a Larry Ellison is allowing them to live on, you know, their own island that he stole from.
Well, and in a sense, they're all at his beck and call, right?
Because those plantation homes they've lived in for generations up on Lanai City are his.
The ones that people moved out of, he let go, he dilapidated, so now it's unfit and he can demolish them and then he pops up a mansion on the property.
Right?
So the little quaint plantation home is gone, but he purposely let it just turn to crap.
You know, here's the story when I knew that he really wasn't in it to help the people.
So there's Richard's Market.
There's only a couple, um, you know, grocery stores.
So Richard's Market is run by Pulau Malana'i.
That's the company that is Ellison.
And a little, a family from Kauai, I believe, came over and opened up a little shop called the Poké Bowl, right?
Poké Bowls and fish and all this stuff.
That's what they specialized in.
And Richard's Market started selling Poké Bowls, twice the size, half as cheap.
So put the couple, the poor family who packed everything up to come a little night to start their business out of business.
So that's when I knew he, the company is not in it to help the people.
They're just to be, yeah.
To, to rule over them, to have them be there.
You know, they're, they're just controlling them all.
And that's when I was like, okay, that's what's going on.
They suck.
It's sad.
Did Oprah and The Rock's fundraising help, Laina?
Because I saw them put out a nice Instagram.
I, you know, I guess when whatever millions dispersed to a few hundred per person or something, I don't know, 1500, I don't know what it was.
I didn't get it.
But A couple of my friends did actually get some of the money.
But you know, that's short-lived.
I mean, $1,500, $1,200?
How far is that going to get you?
And the $700?
We heard $700 came from the Biden administration.
I think that was from the President.
Yeah, so whoopee!
Is that all you guys got?
Can you fill us in?
What did you actually get?
But then you got FEMA, you have all these other monies that are coming in, but they make you jump through and beyond hoops to get it.
Does any human being get any money?
To the point where you're just going to give up and walk away already.
Like you can't even...
You know, my, my, my tenant, so I have rentals and thankfully they're still intact too.
So my tenant finally, six months later, or is getting FEMA, um, rental assistance, but you know, it got to the point where his application and then, you know, it says, do you pay cable, water, all that stuff?
He doesn't pay it.
I pay it.
So he just left the little blank blank.
They returned and said, you got to check.
No, you have to write no.
You're like, what?
So it's just nitpicking BS and it's just ridiculous.
Yeah.
And so, I don't know.
Is the government of Hawaii, is it corrupt or is it just... Well, I mean, I want to hear that.
But is it more corrupt than California?
Well, I, you know, supposedly, I'm in it.
I don't like it.
Yeah.
It's pretty bad, right?
I've said it.
Everyone's heard me say it.
It's not like I hide anything.
To me, it's not a democracy.
It literally, I see it as a dictatorship.
I'm sorry.
I'm being dictated to.
It's an oligarchy.
Day in and day out, I am being dictated.
I mean, look at the history of the Hawaiian Islands.
13 white businessmen, the provisional government is what started all this.
And it continues on, you know?
I see it every day.
It still happens that oppression that it's just in a different shape and form.
Right.
But it's still occurring and why the people, the true rooted people of the islands are know it.
And they're, they're still not, not sold on the fact that they're, if you want to call American or whatever, you know, and this government, I mean, let me, let me just briefly quickly tell you how The, the, how the government operates.
So, you know, so you have, so in the state house of representative, for example, you have one person, you have a leadership, right?
What does that five, six people or something?
So that leadership, you know, you write a bill.
They, the, the speaker, the leader has to decide if he wants that bill heard or not.
Right.
He decides then, then he decides.
What committee it goes to right then it goes to the committee if it's something not maybe it's solar farms or something solar and you go to the energy committee and then the energy committee chair decides at that point if they if you know that person wants to hear it or not and I mean, they can flat out say no and it just dies like that.
So then they decide, really, because I'm a member on a committee, and your job is to support the chair.
So you, the chair, decides that you need to say yes.
So you say yes, because that's what they say.
And then it goes, you know, goes over to the Senate, it comes back.
At the very end of the day, Sign Dye, which is going to be May 4th, 5th or something of this year, first week in May, that final, final night when all the bills do all their things back and forth, up and down, whatever, comes to that one day, comes to that floor, to that table, You have one, the head of Ways and Means, which is the money committee for the Senate.
And then you have the chair for finance, which is the money committee for the House.
Those two people, those are just two people.
If one or two of those people are not at that table, that bill dies, just like that.
That's insane.
I literally saw that last year and I blew my mind.
And I said, the headline was, what twilight zone am I in?
Because that's what I felt like.
One of the guys walks out of the room, just walks out of the room.
We all saw him walk out of the room.
The bill dies.
I go, but he's right there.
He's just behind that door.
Doesn't matter.
Everyone's like, he walked out, the bill dies next.
And I just, this is literally how it works.
I am not exaggerating.
This is the truth.
And I've said it.
So it's nothing new.
But it's just like no one else is willing to walk out of that building and say what I say.
You know, there's no sunshine law.
Sunshine law is something the state imposes on everybody else, county council members, boards of commissions, where every decision is made in the open, right?
It's on video, Akaku, Olelo TV, OEV TV, whatever, right?
So people can see publicly how you made your decision.
The state doesn't impose that upon themselves.
The state does not.
So the state It's not breaking any laws, because there's no laws to break.
They can have meetings behind closed doors all day long.
And they do.
And a lot of times I'm not at those meetings.
You know, you don't want me.
I'm going to ask questions.
I mean, I mean, I, I'm the vice chair for Energy and Environmental Protection.
And I asked, I think it was Maui Health, the Maui Memorial Hospital here.
I asked them a question.
The lady writes me a handwritten card thanking me for asking her a question.
I'm like, what?
I mean, what?
That was like such a big, big earth shattering thing that I asked you a question.
Yeah.
She wrote me like, like put it in the mail and everything.
I opened it up.
I'm like, you're thanking me for asking you a question.
I've never seen it.
That's insane.
It's like unheard of.
Like what?
Oh, wow.
What a concept.
I'm going to ask people who test to find a question.
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It's astounding.
I'm astounded.
Yeah.
It sounds very unbelievable, but it's very real.
It's very real.
It's very scary that this is how the state operates.
And hence why probably we're called the most corrupt state, most corrupt state in the nation.
How do we turn it red?
Because then maybe that'll help if we get some Republicans.
Of course we want to see Hawaii go red.
You know, who connected me with you folks is Sheila Walker, right?
So Sheila Walker is the Republican who ran against, um, the, the, the Senator now for this district McKelvey.
Um, and I'm sure she's going to run again and all power to her.
Um, I mean, that's a whole other tangent and story I could talk about, um, with, uh, McKelvey and things.
Maybe that's a whole other topic.
It's really just about the establishment, who's in control.
You know, you got to throw the bums out every few years, no matter which party it is.
They replace each other.
And first, when people vote them in, they might listen to the people for a little bit.
Pretty soon they get too comfortable and they're screwing around, screwing us all.
Then you got to throw them bums out and bring in new ones from another party.
That's how we got to do things.
I'll tell you, I'll tell you the process and what keeps the, um, you know, the good old boy or that network in play all the time.
So when I mentioned the two people who like have all the power with the money, right?
So those people can go ahead.
Um, so I'll just talk about the house side so that that person can go ahead and, and, You know, put a ton of money into their districts, for example.
Last year, I looked at the budget, because I'm like, what the hell's in this budget?
And upcountry, which is the chair for finance, he represents Makawao upcountry area.
There was $41 million put towards all the schools upcountry.
West Maui, Mahaina, got $875,000.
41 million versus 875.
So who of country is everyone gonna want to vote out their representative?
Because their streets are lined with gold and diamonds, right?
I mean, they get everything they want.
So now when you support that person too, whether you're from wherever across the state as a representative, that he's going to buff out your district.
So when you go home, you look like a knight in shining armor too, and your district's going to keep voting you in.
So this is how I see it keeps perpetuating itself.
And there's no term limits on the state level.
There's no term limits.
And people want to say, well, the voters are the term limits.
But not when you do it that way.
Not when you buff out your district to the point where who in their right mind is going to get rid of that representative?
They bring home the bacon all day long for you.
You love that person.
So that's how they keep getting that vote.
And then if they leave, they're just grooming someone else.
This is the biggest turnover for freshmen.
We have 20, I think, freshmen House of Representatives.
And I'm one of them.
But unfortunately, I see that not all came in the way I came in, right?
Grassroots style.
I think a lot of them are your groomed ones.
The good old boy network, whatever you want to call it.
So it's unfortunate.
But that's what I see.
And it's, it's about for me, I'm trying every time I, I have an audience, I am saying, please run for office.
You have to take out these people and get people like myself that, you know, are really in it for the people, not money, you know, fame, fortune and glory and power tripping, whatever.
Yeah, but it's hard to find somebody because it is expensive, and it shouldn't be about money.
Personally, it should be about who you are, what you're going to bring to the table, and what you stand for, right?
I have a track record.
Thank God people can look me up and see what I've done for this county, what I continue to do, right?
But you got to get in and make a name for yourself, and it is name recognition.
It's totally name recognition.
And it takes, you know, you have to get in first to start that, you know.
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Really, the people are done with this shit.
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The right people at the right time for the right reason.
I think that's where we are now with that mentality.
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I think Lahaina is a very special place as you know.
Lahaina is definitely, it is the original capital of the Hawaiian Kingdom, right?
That's right.
The graveyard that I caretake and where my mom is also buried is the heart, right?
The pico of The past kingdom, yes, but this state, I feel, a no.
And the people who were interred there, Queen Keopulani, she was a living god.
I mean, King Kamehameha had to lay prone at her feet.
She had the status.
That's who's buried there.
King Kamoli'i of Kaua'i, who never got overthrown.
He never got taken over by King Kamehameha.
He ceded willingly to King Kamehameha and Queen Ka'ahumanu.
So, these people are there.
When I go and caretake their graves, and, you know, I pick the flowers from the ground from where they're buried and interred, I feel their guidance.
You know, I always, I never forget where I come from.
And for me, I learn from them, and they guide me.
And it's... I feel that way about it, too.
I really love Lili, Ula, Ola.
Ala Kalani, because she put herself in prison for the American government would not kill any of the Hawaiian people.
And this museum that I live in is dedicated to her because she was about the greatest queen I've ever heard of.
Definitely.
Yeah.
And so, you know, when Biden came to Lahaina, I mean, I was so upset.
I mean, it was like a luau.
Anyways, I was very upset about that whole thing because I thought we'd sit in a room and figure this out.
President is here in Lahaina.
Aren't we going to talk about what you're going to do for us?
You know?
Well, that didn't quite happen.
But I thought to myself, I have the president in front of me.
Once in a lifetime, probably, whatever.
What can I say or do to make it memorable for him to remember?
And I didn't actually get to be in front of him, but I got to speak with Mrs. Biden.
I brought the Hawaii story written by our queen, the book.
I gave her the book.
I said, please read this book.
It's written by our queen.
This will enlighten you on why Hawaii is the way it is and why the people of this land feel and are the way they are.
Please read this book.
I don't care if someone in your office does, your staff, whoever, but please somebody at the White House read this book.
So I don't know if that ever happened, but for me, that was, that came to me that I needed to give them Our Queen's words and her story of the islands.
And I don't know where that went.
It's such an interesting history too.
It's an interesting history that is not complete.
I mean, the mentality is still there, you know?
It's still going.
You still have people who are descendants who are still alive today.
We are still honoring those.
And it continues.
We all know when you're in the circle of the royal families, the true royal families, because everyone can claim this and that, whatever.
But, you know, the true, they're not out there screaming, you know, they're doing what they need to do in the way they need to do it.
And it's not over.
You know, these lands will be, the wrongs will be righted.
They will be.
I think so too.
I know.
I was going to tell you, I went to the grocery store because I had not been on island here for about a year because I was working on the mainland.
When I came home, I was at the grocery store and this old man that I used to talk to when I lived here, you know, a friend, he goes, where you been?
And I said, Oh, I had to, Go do work over on the mainland.
And he started laughing and he goes, Oh no, nothing good ever happens on the face.
Yeah.
Well, you're right.
Cause I got fired once I went over there.
Well, we love you here.
You're all, this is your home, you know, and, and this will always be my home.
And I love you.
And I, I just send all my, Prayer has been praying a long time for the people there.
I am in contact with people working on behalf of people keeping their land and all that kind of stuff.
We'll do more shows on.
But thank you so much for being on my show.
God bless you.
Keep on fighting!
You're going to come on here all the time.
Please come and visit.
If you folks are wanting to come to Lahaina, I mean, let me know and I can take you down to the church, you know, to the graves.
I will, I will.
I do want to do that.
I want to come and talk to the people and let them Talk about what happened, tell their stories, you know, talk story.
Yeah, I have a table on the FEMA Disaster Relief Center up at the Lahaina Civic Center.
I finally am able, as a state house representative, to have a table.
It's for informational gathering, you know, it's where I can get the pulse of the community.
Like I said, I'm over on another island, And I'm not allowed to hire anybody here.
It's like, what?
What?
That just doesn't make sense.
So at least I have a table now where someone can come and grab a card or, you know, set up a schedule for a Zoom or a phone call with me so I can be connected.
I mean, how am I going to know?
Because you want to get busy on behalf of helping the people.
And I'm glad we had you on because now they'll know that they do have help and somebody on their side right in the belly of the beast there.
Yeah.
Keeping their property is number one.
That's number one priority.
Let them keep their houses.
That's right.
And people got to remember it's their private property.
It's not the government.
It's their own private property and they have private rights.
They have rights as a private landowner.
They have human rights.
They have land rights.
So don't give it away.
Don't give away your rights to anybody.
People need to realize that.
Thank you so much.
One more tip before we go.
If Biden comes back, if you just get like an eight or nine year old girl and keep her around, he'll get your attention.
I'm just saying, I've watched it.
That's what works for Biden.
It was kind of like a weekend at Bernie's, you know, a weekend at Biden's.
I was told, this is his schedule, literally.
He gets up, they give him the morning briefing, you know, they feed him breakfast.
He goes to nap for four hours.
That's every morning.
That's his schedule.
That's like mom's schedule.
I wish that was my schedule.
All right, thank you so much.
Yeah, I appreciate your folks time and everything you do getting the word out and so I appreciate that so much.
We do you too.
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