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Dec. 21, 2023 - The Roseanne Barr Podcast

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Dr. Drew tells Roseanne she is dead inside | The Roseanne Barr Podcast #27

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	Greetings earthlings and humans and members of the animal kingdom who might be listening.
	Welcome to the Roseanne Barr podcast.
	I'm very excited today because I have somebody who's very interesting and likes to talk a lot and claims he's a doctor.
	But I think he is a doctor and he's so interesting and very nice.
	Dr. Drew.
	Hi, Dr. Drew.
	I think I'm an earthling and a human.
	I think I qualified for both.
	Thank you.
	Good times.
	You're welcome.
	So I've been looking forward to this.
	I thought this would be very interesting, you and I talking.
	Yeah.
	You're going to take me to places that probably make me uncomfortable and probably teach me a thing or two, I suspect.
	Well, you never know.
	It could go the other way as well.
	Well, I hope you learn something too.
	Yeah, I would like to.
	Yeah, but I don't think I'll make you uncomfortable.
	I think that'd be too hard.
	What?
	I think it'd be hard to make you uncomfortable.
	No, it's not hard at all.
	Oh, is that true?
	Just make eye contact.
	See, already I'm learning something.
	Try and shake her hand real quick.
	Oh, no, I don't touch people.
	Well, I don't mind the occasional hug.
	I was going to tell a dirty joke, but I usually say that just to my kids.
	You know, I save my filthiest material for my own children.
	That's not good, is it, Doctor?
	I don't like to put qualifying good or bad terms on things like that.
	It just could create problems.
	It could create issues.
	By the way, Jake introduced me to your dining room.
	He just goes, here's where we had our Thanksgiving fight.
	I was like, okay, okay.
	I'm never doing it again.
	No more Thanksgiving.
	No, I have not ever had one that I've enjoyed in my entire life and I'm 71 years old.
	That makes me feel bad.
	I'm sorry about that.
	Well, we figured something out we're gonna do.
	We can still do Thanksgiving, we're just not gonna let any family come.
	And we think that you can still have the turkey and do everything.
	You two can be together?
	Yeah, well, I live next door, so we can FaceTime.
	Yeah, or I can just go next door.
	We were fine.
	I just think I'm very, that makes me very happy that you said that, son, because you love me and I appreciate it.
	My ideal Holiday is probably different from yours, though.
	I want no human contact whatsoever ever on the holidays.
	The holidays are my time for repair, Dr. Drew, because they were always the worst fucking times of my life, because I had a family of drama.
	It was very ethnic drama, you know, being a Jew and all.
	Well, Jew drama is sort of usually not heavy drama.
	What?!
	It's sort of like theatrical drama, you know what I mean?
	Typically.
	You guys had heavy drama, like traumatic drama.
	Oh yeah, no.
	Jew drama.
	That's called Jew drama.
	They're really heavy.
	Dark drama.
	The trauma drama.
	It's always traumatic and dramatic.
	You had abuse too, right?
	You pointed that out to me a few times.
	Well, I wanted to talk to you about that being the way the world is now being 71.
	Yes.
	I used to feel, maybe 20 years ago, that this country was going through a mental health crisis.
	Well, now it's 20 years later, and it's off the charts.
	The mental illness won, and the rest of us lost.
	Yes, I completely agree.
	You do?
	Completely.
	In fact, so my background is I worked in a psychiatric hospital for like 30 years and we used to actually help people all the time.
	It was really quite exciting.
	Treatment worked and we could do things for people and they got better.
	Now, Nothing's available.
	There aren't any psychiatrists.
	You're not allowed to help everyone.
	They go sleep on the sidewalk.
	That's the help now.
	And people go do all the drugs they want, whenever they want, and they steal to support their habit.
	And they're leading their best life.
	Who are you to say?
	Yeah.
	So I've got the city of Los Angeles, the county of Los Angeles, seven people a day dying on the streets.
	Those are all my patients.
	I know how to treat them.
	I could easily do it, be it not a problem.
	We could restore them to some kind of meaningful, engaged life.
	You're not allowed to.
	You're not allowed to.
	That's just the extreme stuff.
	That's just the homeless stuff.
	Then, on top of that, we have mass formation.
	That's the rest of us.
	We're completely out of our minds with the mob action and the hysterias that have been going on, whether it's Trump or COVID or whatever.
	Some massive hysteria is always underway now.
	It's endless hysteria.
	It's endless.
	Endless trauma.
	Well, so I'd be curious on your insight into this.
	So, to me, when I started working in a psychiatric hospital, there was a lot of different kinds of personality disorders.
	You see all kinds of things.
	By the late 80s, everything shifted over to borderline, and then in the 90s... Yeah, I remember the borderline thing coming in, yeah.
	A lot of borderline stuff.
	Did you get a borderline label?
	No, my sister did.
	Okay, and then narcissism generally.
	Just the narcissistic disorders were all we saw.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I love the mirror effect.
	I love that name.
	That's exactly what it is.
	I took your test, too.
	You took the test?
	And I started looking into it, I wrote a book on it.
	And I thought, oh this is...
	The book is named?
	It's named The Mirror Effect.
	It's about celebrity narcissism.
	Oh, I love The Mirror Effect.
	I love that name.
	That's exactly what it is.
	I took your test too.
	You took the test?
	How'd you do?
	No, I'm not.
	What was your score?
	You can tell me.
	This was like seven years ago, but I was happy at the end of it.
	Like I was okay.
	I'm a narcissist.
	I have narcissistic personality disorder.
	That's just one of my problems.
	I don't think that's a disorder.
	That's just one of your personalities that has that.
	That would be a little different.
	You should take the test, though.
	I'm not taking any tests.
	It's just a narcissistic inventory.
	It's just sort of narcissistic traits inventory.
	I didn't know.
	In any event, it's clear to me that we've been through this massive shift, and I think trauma was the underlying issue that was creating a lot of it.
	God knows, on Loveline, every night, just trauma, trauma.
	That's all we heard about.
	And certainly in the hospital, that's all I saw.
	And I ran a drug unit for 20 years, and we could handle the most seriously ill people.
	And I always have said that if you had bad enough addiction, you saw me, you had trauma.
	For sure.
	A hundred percent.
	So are you like saying you were like the last line of defense they had?
	Yes.
	Oh, when everyone else was done, we got them.
	That's what happened.
	But in any event, I started obsessing about, you know, this cannot be the only moment in history where this has happened, right?
	It's got to be other times and other places.
	More people have been this disconnected from reality?
	Well, that's what happens as a result of the trauma and the narcissism, I would say.
	So the two things that stood out when I was just doing my little surveys, I've got a few other candidates from the historical record now too, but at the time I was writing the book, I thought, well, the only time I can find so much childhood sexual abuse and abandonment and all this, pre-revolutionary France.
	The French were just brutal with how they dealt with kids back in 1770.
	Wasn't that the Dickens novel?
	I mean, he was writing that in that time.
	I think that was the French Revolution, yeah.
	Yeah, that whole period, I've been obsessing.
	The more we've gotten into hysteria, the more I'm obsessing about it.
	And then the other thing I saw that's not as directly relatable, but the Aztecs.
	I thought, oh, they had a book called The Codex, which was how to traumatize your kids and turn them into warriors, essentially.
	So it was adaptive for them.
	But once you have so severely traumatized kids, they become violent, they will turn that violence on each other, unless every day you create a mob that kills somebody up the top of those stairs, and we all together get together when we kill that guy and throw his heart down the stairs, and now we've discharged our energy for the day, we can all get along a little bit.
	That's what we need to do, start doing that.
	No.
	Well, no, we're doing it!
	I was confused.
	So because of that kind of scapegoating, I knew scapegoating, I knew guillotines would come, I knew it.
	Cancel culture.
	That's our current guillotine mechanism.
	The thing about guillotines is though, everybody eventually goes up.
	Rose Pierre ends up on the guillotine.
	Everybody ends up on the guillotine eventually.
	And we're in that sort of phase now, I think, where everybody's sort of getting sucked into this.
	I find that fascinating.
	What about Salem?
	We should be reading Arthur Miller again.
	That's why he wrote that book.
	Yeah, that was during the Red Scare.
	That was McCarthyism.
	And I'm finally hearing people say, oh, this is like the Red Scare all over again.
	It is.
	Except this is much bigger, much more pervasive, much more- Global.
	Embedded in our being in terms of the mental health crisis that you're pointing out.
	It's profound.
	I think we probably have, maybe we agree, maybe we don't.
	I think they did it on purpose.
	You think it's just a coincidence.
	Well, who's they?
	The owners of the world.
	And let me just also say that there are so many things that I would have patted you on the back and whatever.
	Now I'm like, okay, I'm listening.
	It's like stuff I never entertained before.
	Now I'm like, well, just show me the data.
	I'm up for anything.
	Everyone should be like that.
	that. Show me the data. Show me the money. This whole experience has been so bewildering to me.
	So freaking bewildering that I'm like, okay, I guess the world is not quite what I thought it
	was. It isn't at all. So they, I don't feel like people can organize in that kind of way.
	I just they're not Why?
	You don't think they're good enough to organize in that kind of way?
	No?
	I think they're remarkably centralized these days, and I never imagined that bureaucracies could develop so much power and control, but I think if you talked to every individual member of the bureaucracy, They wouldn't have a collective consciousness with the other bureaucrats.
	No, because they're on a need-to-know basis.
	They're all living in the clerk mentality, like the Nazis.
	This is Berlin, pre-World War II.
	Well, it has some of those features now.
	It has all of them.
	They're talking about kill the Jews, get the Jews.
	I get shocking.
	This is what makes me mad, to see these Young people, they are so brainwashed.
	I know.
	And just with lies.
	With lies!
	You just had Ami Horowitz in here, didn't you?
	Yes.
	Did you see his video on River to the Sea?
	Not that one, but I did.
	He went in and he asked all the kids, River to the Sea, what river, what sea?
	Let me show you a map.
	He shows them a map and they're like, oh, it just sounded good.
	I didn't really want Israel to be destroyed necessarily.
	It's mob!
	These are mobs.
	Mobs are dangerous.
	Mobs... I really thought we were past it.
	Look, the guy that wrote the book... Wait a minute, Dr. Drew.
	I have so many questions too.
	Imagine Hitler, but he had computers.
	And internet.
	Yeah, I know.
	Now, you knew about Project Paperclip, Operation Paperclip, right?
	Oh my god, Dr. Drew!
	The red pilling of Dr. Drew Pimpsy.
	Oh, it's a fridge, big guy!
	Woo-hoo!
	It's a real, we'll explain it.
	It's a historical thing.
	It's an actual thing.
	I know what you're thinking when you say who's they, like she's into conspiracy theories and she is.
	It ain't no conspiracy theory.
	It's a conspiracy fact.
	But you have conspiratorial thinking and I have... She does.
	I don't.
	I have autistic thinking where I take apart systems and then I see right through to the... It's like a beautiful mind.
	That's why I'm listening.
	But no, my bias is anti.
	I have an anti-conspiracy bias.
	I know because you haven't had that level of trauma.
	That's true.
	See, now those of us who have had a deep, deep level of trauma, we understand that we got there on purpose.
	That we were created and made to go there.
	You're going to have to explain more to them.
	People who have had deep trauma and deep mental illness.
	Okay, well, it's two different things.
	Well, mental illness almost always is caused by trauma.
	Before we walk down here, not always, but these days it is, that's for sure.
	But before we walk down here, you were questioning what is mental illness, right?
	And we have to get very, very granular about it.
	For me, mental illness, there can be a lot of mental illness-like syndromes out there that people function very, very well with.
	Like, look at Elon Musk, right?
	He's sort of hypomanic and he's sort of autistic-y.
	Yeah, he's kind of autistic-y.
	He gets shit done.
	Yeah, he does.
	And he is happy doing what he does the way he does it.
	Yeah.
	I have a hard time calling that mental illness.
	But if somebody can't function, can't have relationships, is disturbed and has tried to change and can't, I'm going to call that mental illness.
	Me too.
	I agree.
	I agree with you.
	Because it's either a gift or it's either a blessing or a curse.
	And sometimes it'll switch and go that way and go that way.
	It's moderating it.
	I saw you at the Skank Fest and you were sort of leaning into your mental illness you said, which I found very interesting.
	I was just being me.
	No, but listen.
	People are sort of therapeutically advocating leaning into some anxiety.
	Lean into it.
	Panic.
	Lean into it.
	You can learn to master some of these things.
	And they can become assets then, right?
	Yeah.
	It has for you.
	It's always worked for you.
	Honestly.
	That's how I do it.
	If you've been a trauma survivor, you've certainly become very intuitive, right?
	Yeah, you do.
	But it's not just intuitive because that kind of implies to me the woo-woo magic, ooh, let's light a candle and then I'll perceive how you smell my farts kind of thing.
	Not that.
	Definitely not.
	I just want to say this real quick so we stay on topic.
	What I was going to say is she is conspiratorial, but she also is well-researched.
	So I'm going to be here while she talks to you, and I'm going to tell you what is actually historically documented fact.
	Okay.
	And again, like I said, I'm listening.
	Well, I don't ever say nothing that ain't documented.
	No, but sometimes you'll add your theory to it.
	I do editorialize on it.
	That's when I get in trouble, like when I say, you devil-worshipping motherfuckers.
	That isn't good.
	So anyway, Project Mariner or Paperclip?
	Operation Paperclip.
	Explain that to them.
	Well, this is well documented and many people have written a million and ten words on it all over.
	You can find it all over the web.
	Give them the two minute summary.
	Okay, cut to the chase.
	America, when winning World War II, when the Germans surrendered with Russia and all that, well, we carved up the fat between the three of us and we came to an agreement there.
	We and Russia?
	And Germany.
	And England.
	And England.
	And the Allies.
	France.
	Yeah.
	And Germany.
	The German people.
	Which was, that was the whole trial, but that, okay, but they did surrender, okay, or they were captured, or anyway, this is what it is.
	World War II ended, and everyone assumes that the Nazis lost.
	But they actually didn't lose because the United States sponsored several of the most brilliant scientist Nazis to come here and had our space program and many other programs like that.
	Now I don't know how Nazi they were, but they were definitely... No, they were full.
	Members.
	You know, a lot of people were fighting in the German army and were not Nazis.
	Right.
	But you had to go through a special Club.
	You gotta take an oath.
	So that was the project name that brought the scientists over?
	Operation Paperclips.
	One of the first things they did, because some of the Nazi scientists that we brought over were familiar with and masters of mind control and terrorizing captive populations.
	Trauma-based mind control.
	terrorizing, captivated populations, such as the Warsaw Ghetto and other things like that in Nazi Germany.
	Yes.
	And what was that program called, with the trauma-based mind control?
	MKUltra.
	MKUltra.
	So that's where our MKUltra came from.
	Yeah, it's the same thing.
	Did we have it already?
	It's mind control, yes.
	We had it already when they brought the Germans over.
	It's German MKUltra, German Mind Control.
	But MKUltra wasn't in Kentucky or something?
	No, it was at Penn State.
	Is that where it was?
	Because we also had the farm in Kentucky where we studied mental illness and opiate addiction and stuff.
	We did?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'm sure every country had some version of Mind Control.
	What's the farm?
	It's where they first really kind of characterized addiction as an illness and how to do withdrawal and how to get people off opiates and it's where they were doing the LSD mind control.
	Oh, I know about that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and I thought I think MKUltra came in there maybe and started doing something.
	That's why they closed it all down.
	Yeah, but it kept on.
	Doing like weird experiments on captive populations.
	Like foster kids is one in New York.
	All this crazy, you know.
	So I'm familiar with the MKUltra.
	It is a well-documented thing.
	How far it went, I don't know.
	I have no knowledge of that.
	Nobody does.
	Nobody does, Jake says, which is very reassuring.
	There's a million of them, like Operation Bluebird, Operation Artichoke.
	But you are seeing evidence.
	I do feel... That's what we're getting at.
	I'm going to sound very conspiratorial.
	No, they just are trying to figure out how to control us, so we'll work for shit money and not gripe.
	What were you saying?
	Well, it's sort of... I was about to say something like that.
	Not quite that way, but I was going to say something like... The COVID for me exposed some things.
	Oh yeah, right?
	And it exposed sort of...
	If nothing else, how bureaucrats think about us, and how they want to, you know, when they decide they need to change our behavior, how they do it, and it was sort of shocking to me.
	Well, not sort of shocking, it was deeply, deeply, profoundly shocking.
	Like in what way?
	I like using fear to scare the hell out of everybody with COVID.
	Trauma-based mind control.
	Everything about masking was bizarre and weird.
	When the mask was six feet apart, like six feet was like it was not, it was six feet under.
	That was the message, six feet under.
	I interviewed a guy that was in the room with the CDC when they decided six feet.
	And there was no evidence.
	No.
	They had no understanding of yet.
	They speculated that it was probably like other respiratory viruses, aerosolized, and therefore 30 to 60 feet would be necessary.
	That's right.
	But they just went, oh, we'll get them to do 6 feet.
	Yeah.
	Science.
	Nothing.
	There's no science.
	I am sorry.
	And to this date, first of all, social distancing.
	No peer-reviewed anything.
	Nothing.
	Zero.
	Nothing.
	Because nothing.
	There's nothing there.
	It wasn't science.
	Now we know for sure it's aerosolized and it goes quite a distance and six feet does nothing.
	And they also have all this data now on where people contracted it and how and it's usually not in very close proximity.
	It's not something... Do you think it's from having sex with monkeys?
	Now we're back to HIV?
	I never knew if that was right, but I don't think it was HIV because I read this woman, Celia Farber.
	She's a genius journalist, although she's a conspiracy theorist to me, okay?
	But she said that the place they tested the polio virus happens to be the exact same place where AIDS started 20 years after.
	Well, to be fair, this whole world of manipulating viruses... I interviewed Rand Paul a couple hours before I came here and he was telling me, he's written a book now where he just puts all the evidence into like 400 pages and there's a lot of stuff going on that we should be very concerned about.
	He is truly autistic to the max.
	I love Rand Paul.
	Really?
	He reminds me of all the ophthalmologists from my era.
	They're all like super bright and super super precise.
	I love him.
	I had a very warm feeling about him.
	I didn't get an autistic feeling talking to him.
	Oh I do because I can spot it.
	So he has all this information about all the different kinds of programs that were going on and who knows how far back that goes in history and where and why it was localized in certain areas and stuff.
	So there's reason to be concerned about how viruses have been manipulated.
	What about giving smallpox to the natives in the blankets?
	That was Lord Jeffrey Amherst.
	I went to college in Amherst College and Lord Jeff was the one that invented the germ warfare of the smallpox infected blankets, which is why we had to change our mascot to the mammoth from Lord Jeff.
	Oh wow.
	I didn't know that.
	Oh my God.
	Isn't it just all so weird and freaky?
	It doesn't have to be this stupid.
	But it is.
	There's so many things about my thinking that are new to me.
	I want to talk about this.
	I feel so uncomfortable because I'm open to things and I'm thinking in ways that I've not really thought my whole life.
	Oh, that's a good thing.
	I guess.
	I've opened my mind to a lot of stuff.
	How old are you?
	Let me ask.
	How old am I now?
	Is that okay to ask you?
	Yeah, 65.
	I'm 65.
	Wow, you look great.
	Okay, great.
	No, you look great.
	Well, I look great, yeah, but 65 is a thing.
	You notice it when you cross that?
	It was like a thing.
	Then you get on the social... Medicare.
	Yeah, Medicare.
	But you've been... Medicare.
	That's when you get all the reconstructive surgery.
	You can get it covered?
	You can't get that covered.
	I just had my shoulders injected with stem cells.
	I didn't get that covered.
	I just got that too.
	And my knees.
	Oh, the knees works very well.
	Where'd they get the stem cells from?
	They got them...
	We don't know.
	We got to see Joe Rogan's people.
	So I have harvested from me.
	Yeah, they're from me.
	I think it's the same.
	I think they took it from someone.
	Probably organ trafficking.
	Who knows?
	No, I checked that shit out.
	I don't want no part of that.
	I don't think Joe Rogan... I'm joking.
	It's very knowledgeable.
	It's his guy.
	I saw that Sean Baker went to him too and they looked very appropriate to me.
	Yes, they are very moral in their choices.
	No, Joe is, what would a good word be?
	Autistic, I was going to say.
	He is discriminating.
	He is knowledgeable.
	But your mind has been open.
	So my mind has been open to stuff.
	He's short.
	He's very short, Joe Rogan.
	That's sizeism.
	Anyway, sorry.
	You're going to get cancelled.
	Was it COVID that kind of?
	Yes, it was absolutely COVID.
	I've been just sort of ruminating about stuff.
	What about like on Twitter or any of the social media when people would say, that's not true, and they'd ban them if people had any dissent at all?
	That was me, I got banned a couple times.
	Yeah, that's what I want to talk about.
	Crushed and it was and I brew it's just brutality isn't it?
	And by the way, you know to me the poster child you had interview him Maybe some point the poster child for the cancellation of high quality professionals is Jay Bhattacharya.
	Who's that?
	Do you know Jay?
	He's an epidemiologist from Stanford physician researcher.
	Look up Jay Bhattacharya.
	He's a gentleman.
	He's a scholar.
	He's a decorated professor and he he was one of the I don't know what that is.
	Oh, you can see it now?
	declaration and he just got destroyed for that. I don't know what that is.
	It's a group of doctors and researchers that raised their hand and went I think
	we can do this better. I think there's Jay. Yeah we had it for a second there.
	Okay we can do this better.
	We should be doing focal isolation of people with the illness, elderly people, risk populations.
	We should be using early treatments.
	He had all kinds of great ideas that would have been much better and not contributed to the mental health disaster we're in right now.
	We started this conversation talking about the mental health issues.
	That's Jay.
	Does he look like an outlying maniac to you?
	No.
	I think I remember this guy.
	He's a very gentle man.
	And he is the poster child of the excesses of who they chose to cancel.
	In any event, all the stuff they did, I mean, we hurt the mental health of so many young people.
	Oh yeah, destroyed it.
	Destroyed it.
	Without a second thought.
	The whole process of going through a risk-reward analysis on the things they were doing was just absent.
	They were just demanding things.
	And it hurt a lot of people.
	And I want people that were hurt to be pissed.
	They should be furious.
	Well, we are.
	I hope they are.
	I'm fucking furious.
	I'm 45, but I'm a little older. So you've had you've already underway but anybody from like
	22 to 30 and then also younger like late childhood adolescents
	They are they were just they were you this man. You're 11 years old and the
	Every second of the tv they're saying, you know shelter in place shelter in place. Your mayor is saying shelter in
	place That's an incoming nuclear weapon. Yeah, and by the way, if
	you don't you're gonna kill your parents You're gonna kill your family. Yeah, and then three years
	of no contact with your peers You think that's gonna be a healthy person at the end of
	that? No, let me talk about mk ultra Well, that's how they did it in Germany, too, because they demanded that the children turn in their parents and their neighbors if they heard them say anything that was, you know, dissenting with the Reich, which is like, okay, hey, if you hear him say anything anti-the Democrat Party, you let us know.
	It's just like that, you know.
	That's what we're living in.
	They're domestic terrorists, number one threat.
	Yeah.
	That's what the FBI says, what Chris Wray says.
	So I'm sitting across from one, right?
	Yeah.
	Did they say, I read today it was a good meme that said FBI following Biden's or, uh, following, yeah, initiatives or something like that.
	Well, it's, it's, it's sad to me that we can't.
	We all know what needs to be done.
	We can hear on the Roseanne Barr podcast.
	Yeah, we can.
	No, we can't.
	So when COVID started...
	I mean, we all know what needs to be done.
	I'm not sure what needs to be done, frankly.
	Oh, I am.
	I'm listening.
	Well, we need to clean everything up and start over again.
	We need a reboot.
	How do you do that?
	A reboot?
	How do we do that?
	We got a lot of people that think very differently.
	A lot of people are very concerned about a lot of things that I actually understand and share their concerns, but that they don't see anything but that.
	Yeah.
	It gets a little, you know, weird that people don't see the full spectrum of what's happening.
	Well, people who can't play nice with their neighbors I'm saying things that I can imagine are coming out of my mouth all the time.
	And the latest thing has been, we just need the Golden Rule back.
	Just the Golden Rule.
	I'll go for that.
	That'd be a great step forward.
	But don't say back, because it never was here.
	It's never been here.
	Not the way you'd like it?
	Well, it's never existed in reality.
	That's why we've had to coach people up on it?
	Well, nobody's ever, you know, occasionally, Somebody will do something right, probably accidentally, is the way I see it.
	So this is your trauma world speaking to me again.
	This is reality, my empirical wisdom.
	Which is that humans are self-serving.
	Oh, they're nothing but.
	Can I be?
	I'm in denial about that.
	I believe people are good.
	I think some are.
	I get very upset when I have to go your direction.
	Some are, though, but you've got to be able to note the difference between them and the other ones.
	Yeah, they're in jail.
	That's the problem.
	Nobody has been taught any discernment to tell between an ass-raping fucking monstrous criminal or just a nice person.
	How do we discriminate?
	Well, I mean, because the nice person might say the wrong word, but the ass-raping fucking criminal says all the right words.
	So, of course, you're going to go for that.
	Interesting.
	Because that's the mind control program we're under.
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	That we cannot get free of yet, but I do have hope.
	Because I believe in God.
	Do you believe in God?
	I definitely believe in a higher something.
	You know what I mean?
	My little brain is not the end or the beginning of anything.
	But do you personally feel anything?
	No, I just feel a higher something.
	In you?
	No.
	Do you feel any connection of your body to anything?
	No, because... Higher?
	Well, yes, but I experience it in communion with other people.
	See, I'm deeply... You feel elevated when you're of service?
	Service, and when I'm deeply attuned to another person, I feel like, oh, that's something extraordinary there.
	That is something extraordinary.
	The two of us create this thing that is just extraordinary.
	Well, you know what Jesus said about that?
	Whenever two or more are gathered in my name, which is like a creation of reality.
	We're all living in this fake reality that was foisted on us that don't have nothing to do with reality.
	Maybe.
	Yeah, that's what I think.
	Or at least isn't as real as we rely on it to be.
	We want it to be the totality of real, and it just isn't.
	The real is when you're needing something, you know?
	And like this happened to me in Texas.
	I got lost on the...
	Four-wheeler there.
	I went the wrong way.
	In the desert?
	No, in our housing development or whatever you call it.
	Our ranch site.
	So I end up just lost as hell and I had my granddaughter with me and I was worried I was running out of gas.
	So I just had this feeling.
	I just had a feeling that told me what to do.
	I was setting it up.
	Do you ever have like a feeling, like a voice or a feeling that goes, Doc, why don't you go over there and something really good's gonna happen if you do it right now.
	I don't have anything quite that vivid or direct, but I definitely have instincts and things and sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong.
	Yeah.
	But I definitely have... I know what you're talking about.
	It's not a voice or anything, it's just sort of like I...
	It occurs to you.
	Look, I think stuff comes out of our bodies, like our bodies are some sort of antenna or something.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Millions of years of evolution are wound up in our autonomic system and it will suddenly speak to us.
	Now, I experience most of that when I'm with another person.
	So it suddenly speaks to you?
	What do you mean by that?
	I'm intrigued by that.
	Like when I'm sitting and talking to somebody deeply and listening and tuning and they're talking about something.
	You're talking about empathy.
	Empathy.
	But it's a little more than that.
	It's called attunement.
	And I will like hear music or have smells or feel something in my body.
	Interesting.
	And let me see if I can kind of do it here with you.
	It's funny, I get different things when I look in each eye.
	Because one eye is fake.
	It's the cornea.
	But that's uncanny, right?
	That I can really know that.
	And when I look in the real eye, Do you know which one's the real eye?
	The right eye's your real eye, right?
	No, I think... This one's my real eye.
	The left eye's your real eye.
	No, this is my real eye.
	They're both real.
	It's just a cornea transplant.
	What?
	It's a cornea transplant.
	She had a cornea transplant.
	Yeah, but except for it's not human.
	No, but I mean it's your real eyeball.
	It's a machine.
	Was one of them seeing?
	They're both seeing?
	Yeah, I can see.
	Okay, so I can... This one flashes.
	This is a fake eye.
	It's like fancy LASIK.
	Right, so I can... Is this my left side?
	Yes.
	So it's your right side?
	It's your left that I was talking about, but it's the right that I'm looking at.
	This is the good eye.
	That I can see a little more clearly.
	And I get two things.
	In the right eye?
	This is the real eye.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, you're going to read me.
	He's doing it right now.
	That's what, what's her name was saying?
	No, no, no.
	He's attuning.
	Kim.
	Kim.
	No, he's seeing if he can pick up smells and stuff.
	No, no.
	No, she said get him to read you.
	It's uncanny.
	Let me be quiet and watch.
	She was asking me if I have any experiences when I'm sitting here with you.
	And I had several, and one is I felt kind of heavy, right?
	He called you fat, just for the record.
	Huh?
	I'm joking.
	One, I felt like an elephant stepping on my chest.
	Then I felt like something going on in my stomach, something I don't like.
	And then I felt kind of dead.
	Not weird.
	Like tired?
	No, just sort of, I don't know.
	Scared me.
	Huh.
	Is that something, some part of you that I'm... Are you dying?
	Or some part of you that died in some of that trauma, you know, that you left behind?
	Oh, it didn't die.
	It, uh, are you, what are you, are you picking up?
	I don't know.
	I wonder what you're picking up.
	Cause none of that's kind of...
	I mean, of course that's in my past, but that's... But it leaves imprints, you know, that past leaves stuff on your brain.
	Oh, it's left all kind of things in there, like, you know, I mean, I'll never really fully trust anyone in my life.
	That's what trauma does for sure.
	Yeah, it does, but how can you?
	There's not anything you can learn.
	And, you know, when you do, it always turns out that you were wrong.
	When you do trust someone.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah, there's always the... and it's never not happened.
	And I go, that must be my own personal programming.
	It has nothing to do with that other person.
	Not per se.
	Yeah.
	You picked them.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	But nobody's perfect, so everyone will let you down sometime.
	Hopefully.
	Hopefully.
	Yeah, then you can move.
	You know, my dream is to just live on a desert island alone for the most of my life, except for to come and visit my children and grandchildren now and then, you know, every so often.
	She's lying.
	That's a lie?
	Yeah, she doesn't want to hang out with us either.
	She's kidding.
	She doesn't want to ever visit you?
	No.
	I'm kidding.
	No, I do.
	I like to visit my kids.
	No, we live together.
	We have a great time.
	I like to visit my kids and grandkids, but aside from them, anyone who did not come out of my personal vagina, I don't want to Do you have anything other than a personal vision?
	I don't have any energy because at this point in my life, it's not like I'm going to start a relationship.
	I have all the friends I need.
	They know every horror of my life, so I'm not going to go get new friends and have to explain to them, except for they're all dying.
	That's the only thing about getting old, Dr. Drew.
	What are we going to do about this dying?
	How can they Can't they figure that shit out?
	They're better at making people die.
	They're good at figuring that out.
	We have to move aside for the next ones to come along, you know?
	It'd be too many of us if we all lived.
	I don't know about what's coming along, though.
	I think these kids, I mean, they're not going to be able to take care of themselves.
	They're too goddamn stupid.
	Well, back to what I was thinking a few minutes ago about stupid.
	One of the ways that I said I was uncomfortable the way I think now and the things I'm open to, I've started getting very reductionist in my thinking about people and things and ideas and circumstance.
	It's either smart or dumb.
	Smart or dumb.
	I'm just starting right there these days because things have gotten pretty complicated.
	They're just so stupid.
	Sometimes they are.
	They're involuted.
	They're not evolved.
	They're involved.
	The kids.
	No, I just mean everything in the world.
	It didn't move forward.
	Is it all maybe the phones?
	Well, that's what I wanted to ask.
	Yeah, it's like the Gutenberg Bible.
	They were saying the exact same things they were saying about the printing press back in the day that we're saying about the phones.
	I think social media is a huge, huge problem.
	Of course it is.
	I think, and you'll probably disagree with me, but I think pharmaceutical industry is a huge, huge problem.
	But there's just nothing better.
	I would have disagreed with you two years ago.
	Yeah, I know.
	That's why I've always, I won't do that now, but I've always wanted to talk to you about this stuff and I wanted to ask if your opinions on that have changed.
	It doesn't mean that some medicines don't work.
	I'm not one of those like black and white, but I think there is a bottom line to it.
	That's more about the stockholders than the patient.
	And I've also noticed doctors treat symptoms.
	They don't treat the entire organism.
	And that seems to have changed along.
	And I think what happened is they're thinking, and correct me if I'm wrong, Over time, culture was like, you know what?
	It's easier just to give... Americans are crazy.
	Just give them a pill.
	They don't want to do the work.
	They don't want to go through therapy.
	Well, there's some of that.
	There's some of that, for sure.
	Just to look at, like... We want to pay money for a pill.
	Let's look at illnesses related to dietary excess.
	Right.
	You know, we've given up on helping people with their diet because they just don't change.
	Now we've got Ozembic, so okay, we'll use that now.
	No, stop eating so much.
	How do I get some of that Ozembic?
	You don't need it.
	No, but how would I get some?
	Oh, Weight Watchers.
	You can call Weight Watchers now.
	They're prescribing it.
	Are you kidding me?
	Oprah admitted today that she's on it.
	I figured she was on it.
	She was in that purple gown.
	Now she's going, I use it just for maintenance.
	What difference does it make when you're using it?
	It's good.
	It's alright.
	It works.
	It's dangerous.
	But the diabetics are dropping dead every day because they can't get their meds.
	Because all the fat ass Hollywood bitches are taking it all.
	There's many good medicines for diabetes right now, but all the fat asses.
	Yeah, well that's what we're getting at.
	So everyone's fat and stupid and brainwashed.
	MKUltra.
	We're covering everything.
	I'm going through the notes.
	So pharmaceuticals.
	So, you know, it's complicated.
	Of course.
	What I'm saying is everybody's medicated.
	So as a doctor, you have two things.
	You have a prescription pad and you have a scalpel.
	And that's about it.
	That's about it.
	No, that's true.
	I don't really use a scalpel.
	I use a prescription pad to change physiology, right?
	Most of what I prescribe is generic and costs pennies.
	It just does.
	What do you mean by physiology?
	Well, it does change... As you get older, if you get an abnormal... It begs the issue, what is an illness, right?
	What is an illness?
	So, illness is an abnormal state of physiology.
	And I want to push that physiology back towards normal.
	Okay, I get what you mean.
	Or I want to prevent some complication of that physiology.
	So, you're more about preventive, like whole...
	Total the whole picture.
	I'm whatever is required.
	Like, look, if you come in with hypertension, I don't want you to have a stroke.
	I don't want you to have cardiomyopathy.
	I don't really care about the cause of the hypertension.
	I need to get that blood pressure under control right now.
	Now, there are things I look around for to see if there's an underlying cause.
	It really doesn't change the treatment very much.
	And the consequences are the result of the high blood pressure, not the result of the narrowing of the renal artery, for instance.
	And I'm not going to go in and do an angioplasty on the renal artery.
	I'm going to give you the Avipro and I'm going to give you the Amlodipine.
	These things are wonderful medicines that were invented by pharmaceutical companies and they made a lot of money on it and then they lost their patent and now we can do it for pennies.
	Wait, what kind of a doctor are you exactly?
	I'm an internist.
	But I spent many years in psychiatry.
	Oh you did?
	Because I thought you were something to do with psychiatry.
	I ran the medical services in a psychiatric hospital so I became very familiar, very astute to the What you're talking about, what the pharmaceuticals do and the excesses and the relationship between the body and the psychiatric stuff, that was my thing.
	Then I ended up running their addiction services for 20 years.
	So I was there at the crossroads of medicine and psychiatry and addiction.
	Okay, so let me just say this.
	That's a lot of intersectionality.
	It is, it is.
	Thank you for using that term.
	You're really very pertinent to where I work.
	And I also was doing straight medicine alongside that.
	Well, I'm just saying, picture this.
	You've got culturally, kids are dumber.
	They're raised different.
	I don't know the kids are dumber.
	Well, this is my theory.
	You have people that have been medicated since, let's say in the 80s, it started going up.
	People are on drugs that change your brain chemistry.
	You have difference in parenting, the feminist movement in the 80s.
	A lot of things changed.
	Baby boomers.
	You had cultural changes.
	You had drug changes.
	And then you have these millennials that are raised, basically, I mean, I'm not a doctor, but I diagnosed millennials as having narcissistic personality disorder when I used to podcast years ago.
	It was a very funny episode.
	But hold on, let me just say, so when you factor all that in, wouldn't that be why everything's so fucked up now?
	Is that these kids have now gone into positions of power.
	They weren't raised with the golden rule.
	I think what the PSYOP is, here's what I think.
	That's what I think the PSYOP is, I guess.
	The PSYOP is?
	It's cultural.
	That's what I think it is.
	The PSYOP is they're turning the kids into mindless warriors.
	Right.
	Yes.
	That's what they want.
	Useful idiots.
	That's what Lenin thinks.
	Well, they want them fighting each other in the street and then half will kill the other half and they'll send whoever survives off to fight in the Ukraine.
	But you're now imagining there's somebody doing that.
	I'm here saying this seems to be a cycle that we get into as humans.
	Yes.
	Lenin, Rose Pierre, you name it, it's come.
	It definitely is a cycle.
	It happens.
	It's the degenerate power.
	I see it as these childhood trauma cycles.
	That's a major issue.
	That's what I'm asking.
	Is that what you think it is?
	That's a part of it.
	There's a pattern that repeats.
	I think it is.
	100%.
	And also when there's economic disparity and stuff, obviously that makes it worse.
	I could really blow your mind right now.
	I can't wait.
	But let me just say this one thing before you...
	Blow my mind.
	The biggest liability of narcissism, and the emotion about which there is injunctions against in every scripture, and which is alive and well in America today, is envy.
	Envy is a dangerous fucking emotion.
	Yes, it is.
	It's not jealousy.
	Jealousy is, oh, Roseanne is a cool studio.
	I'm going to work hard to get one, too.
	That's jealous.
	It makes me uncomfortable.
	I want to do that.
	Envy is, Roseanne has cool stuff here.
	Fuck her.
	I've got to destroy her.
	Yeah.
	That's envy.
	Yeah, that's envy, yeah.
	That's where the guillotines come.
	That's where the scapegoatings come.
	Now, blow my mind.
	Yeah, I think you're absolutely right about that.
	Well, both of yours are all mine because we were saying, like, how It's a pattern that always repeats, right?
	Power in its ascension and then in its disassembly, it always follows the same pattern.
	We think.
	The history kind of seems to.
	At least modern history.
	Since the 18th century.
	I read the fourth turn.
	That's what it feels like.
	The fourth turn to me didn't quite... Didn't hit it for you?
	The concept hit it, but what the fuck's going on right now?
	He completely missed it.
	He did not predict this.
	No, that's true.
	Your journey is supposed to save us.
	What the hell's going on here?
	That's a really good point.
	What were you saying?
	Sorry.
	I don't even know what you're talking about.
	You were going to blow his mind about patterns repeating.
	Generational patterns through history.
	Well, everything is patterns that repeat.
	I mean, down to our atomic structure and our DNA, everything's that.
	And why wouldn't we know that?
	But, I mean, we're just so...
	Deluded and brainwashed and lied to and... Blow my mind.
	Oh, I was going to say that things actually do repeat.
	Yeah.
	Because, you know, when you really... I asked you if you believed in God, so you had, like, kind of a liberal answer.
	No, I had a...
	Well, it wasn't a religious.
	Yeah, it was vague.
	And that would fit.
	I'm jealous of people that have a really vivid... But you're not religious, like you don't do something all the time for the sake of doing it.
	But listen, I've seen a lot of people at the end of life and I really admire what it does for people, particularly at the end of life.
	It kind of racks your shit up.
	It helps you make sense of things, it helps you deal with the end of life.
	Yeah, it kind of answers everything.
	It is a racking up of like, you know when you're going to go play pool and you rack them up?
	Oh, I see, yeah.
	It racks them all up.
	It gives you a little order.
	Am I right in guessing that you're just trying to say that this pattern repeating is biblical?
	Oh, yeah, it's totally biblical.
	Well, that's why the Bible has so much value.
	It's because it's just a bunch of accumulated wisdom of human behavior over many thousands of years.
	And same with the Indian Books.
	Every book.
	The Bhagavad Gita.
	Any of those things.
	These are just accumulated wisdom over time.
	Because that's all humans had to understand themselves.
	They just write stuff down and go, you know, it is said that three generations ago they used to do this.
	And they go, oh, we should learn from that.
	Yeah, like tribal elders.
	And like wise people.
	We don't have that anymore.
	And we would carry it forward.
	And look at it.
	Boy, the patterns are always there.
	And you think it's childhood trauma?
	Well, I think in the modern era, I think this tendency towards mobs and this thing that hit France and pre-revolutionary Russia seems to grip us right now.
	The odd thing is that it seems to grip the world right now.
	That's what I don't understand.
	I think I understand this country.
	I don't understand the world.
	That's where social media comes in.
	How the world got involved with this is odd.
	I think that social media was invented because they wanted to do something with it.
	They?
	The MP Ultra guys?
	Well, yeah, the owners.
	The owners?
	Yeah, the tippy-top of the pyramid.
	But you're kind of dancing around having a revelation.
	With the owners?
	Kind of!
	That's what I've been trying to build this up to, because you say things like, oh, I don't think everybody could be this organized, but then you cite these historical events that was just a few owners that were in control.
	No, no, no.
	We talked about Nazis and Germans coming here.
	And you said, are they really Nazis?
	Well, they were following orders.
	They weren't in charge.
	Do you know who Marc Cianchisi is?
	You guys would like him.
	He's a cognitive psychologist.
	How do you say it?
	C-H-A-N-G-I-Z-I.
	Cianchisi.
	And I adhere to something he was suggesting, which is that there are always sociopaths.
	There are always narcissists.
	There are always...
	What do you call them?
	What do you call them?
	The up-the-ups?
	The people at the top?
	The owners?
	The owners.
	There's always owners around, but they can't really do much until we get swept into a mob and then they take full advantage of it.
	They can't create the mob, they can't create the mob action, but there are people around that always take advantage.
	Robespierre, what do you name it?
	They've been around.
	And you don't think that's happening today?
	I do think that's happening now.
	But you think it's conspiratorial?
	No, I don't think.
	I think it's just these people are always around and now they're doing their thing because we are sick.
	We're not well.
	I think that's what she's talking about.
	Oh, so the differentiation is that you're saying they're not making everyone go crazy.
	No, we have moved into this thing and then they just take advantage of it.
	You're saying they're opportunistic.
	That they're premeditated, yeah.
	They're premeditated and they're brilliant.
	They write all their shit right out for you to read.
	I read it, it's brilliant.
	Give them one example.
	Like Klaus Schwab and his Igor, that little guy, what's his name?
	Igor, I just call him Igor.
	There is this weird That little group that runs everything.
	The World Economic Forum we're talking about.
	Yeah, the World Economic Forum and also that includes, of course, Everything, Jeffrey Epstein, you know, it's huge.
	It is running the whole Western world, all that grift.
	Well, it's a currency.
	You know, it is.
	Well, there's aspects of what you're saying that I would have had no sense of what you're talking about, except I think I've seen a little bit of it lately.
	That's sort of shocking to me, but I see what you're talking about, let's put it that way.
	That I've seen Sort of evidence of MKUltra style.
	Things going on where I go, what?
	Why can't we... What are you talking... What's going on here?
	You know what?
	God always puts me in the weirdest places.
	Because I know it isn't me.
	Because I'm not that smart.
	Okay.
	Where does he put you now?
	Well, no.
	I was just... I'm always in a place where I hear people talking.
	And it blows my mind the shit they say.
	Because the one thing about me is I have been able to worm my way into some fancy swanky joints.
	Yeah.
	I love when you talk like that.
	Yes, you have.
	Tell me about what happens in those swanky joints.
	I hear some shit.
	What did you hear?
	I heard a lot.
	They might come get you if you tell us?
	Huh?
	They might come get you if you tell us?
	Oh, hell yes they would.
	But I just go, uh, wow.
	Now what are you going to, you know, how?
	It's true.
	I hear stuff like that.
	I get to be around some swanky things too and I've heard things that I go, nah, and then yeah, it turned out to be, yeah.
	Right?
	But not, but not out of this world stuff.
	I don't hear things that blow my mind.
	There are things that I think, oh man, there's a lot going on that I don't know about.
	There's a lot of stuff.
	And I wish I could, like just look at Dr. Fauci's behavior.
	He was my hero my whole career.
	Oh no, really?
	And then all of a sudden he starts behaving strangely and saying strange things and being defensive about things he should be able to easily answer and all my head goes is like, what is he trying to... Did you see him speak when he started going haywire like that or did you see him on the internet?
	I didn't see it in person.
	I saw it on TV or something.
	Somebody asked a simple question, can you go to a church meeting or can you go to a Black Lives Matter thing?
	He should have gone, both are fine or both are no good.
	That's it, period.
	I worry about transmission of the virus in both or none.
	That's it. Yeah. But he went, I don't understand what you're talking about. I don't understand you're talking about
	under so much you're asking me. That was like, dude, I know you
	you're a brilliant dude. I you what is going on? What he to me
	it felt like he was some, some of these conspiracy theorists that I've heard I hear about. They say Fauci was took out
	and murdered. And a clone replaced him. And that are a guy in a
	mask.
	That's editorializing.
	That's what they say on the internet.
	Okay, well, good.
	No, I think you're more onto it.
	He was scared.
	And so I asked Rand Paul this today.
	I went, what could these people that are together not answering questions about what we now know for sure?
	was going on and how we manipulated viruses and where the funding was coming from.
	It's all there.
	Rand's been calling me.
	Why won't they answer questions about it?
	And I asked him, I said, is there some reason that they could remain quiet that's justified?
	Is there something they know that we shouldn't know that'll fuck a lot of people up or something?
	And he really didn't have an answer for me.
	And so that's where my head goes.
	So you don't think that they're all like either clones?
	Or totally blackmailed operatives that are doing what they're told to do by China and the other people that own our government.
	No, he's getting to that.
	Again, I have a woman I interview frequently called Li Meng Yan, who's a brilliant virologist, physician, and was working on the coronavirus for the People's Liberation Army.
	And isn't that a nice euphemism for what goes on in China?
	And when I hear something like that it makes my skin kind of really crawl.
	And whenever I would see her attack... just recently I saw her attacked on Twitter and I went, oh that looks like a... I just tweeted back, does anybody think this is a Chinese operative here?
	It's obviously...
	25 minutes later, big videos appear about me.
	Wow.
	With making it look like I'm saying certain things that I've never said.
	And I thought, oh wow, they're really, they are on it.
	They're here.
	They're around.
	They're 24-7 on the brush tape.
	I like when Swallowell's girlfriend, Fang Fang, all of a sudden she comes back, next day she's dead in a plane crash.
	Poor Fang Fang.
	I just think it's all made up.
	Every goddamn bit of it.
	It's all bullshit.
	100% unified field of bullshit.
	From where?
	Where to where?
	I mean, do we believe the Founding Fathers?
	Do we believe... Oh, well, we want that back.
	Of course we love it.
	But they were not full of shit.
	They were... No, I'm talking about the people in power right now.
	So the people in power now, it's hard to know.
	I had an experience.
	It's not hard to know at all.
	Here's what I call them.
	It's the pedo-ponzi priest class.
	Pedo-ponzi pirate, you used to say.
	The pedo-ponzi pirate priest class of pharaonic feudalism.
	Okay.
	What's the pharaonic?
	Like pharaohs?
	Pharaoh.
	They want their fucking feudalism back.
	I can't wait to have you back on in four years when you totally know about all this shit.
	You're like, God, four years ago I thought you were crazy.
	That would be phenomenal.
	Nothing would make me happier.
	They want their feudalism back.
	Because that would help me make sense of a lot of stuff.
	They just want their feudalism back, the pharaohs, the royals.
	Upstairs we were talking a little bit, I was talking about how social media is a democratization of our ability to do things like this, like from a little studio you can reach many people.
	But you said you're against democracy.
	I said it's a very deep subject because Victor Hugo, I believe it was, it said democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
	Two, okay.
	And I do think that it is, it does have a lot of mob rule to it.
	Yes.
	And the commies love using the word democracy, you know, because they can pretend that those two things are the same, which they are not.
	Well, I adhere to the positions of the Founding Fathers, which is they had deep, profound concerns about democracy, which is why they established a republic.
	That's right, exactly.
	A representative... Checks and balances.
	Not a direct democracy, and yet here in California we have essentially a direct democracy, and we see how that runs amok all the time.
	Because, you know, I think everyone here probably 85% voted to overthrow Newsom.
	But, you know, as long as they, I mean, if people can't see that without paper ballots it's all a wash, they can change all the votes they want.
	Unless they say it's who counts the votes that matters.
	Well, now you're talking about corruption.
	Well, hello!
	You don't think it's correct that we go blow up the Iraq and then rebuild it, blow it up again, rebuild it, blow it up again, rebuild it, blow it up again?
	The only people making money are the military contractors, for God's sake.
	So I've not signed up as somebody that formally supports, but I have been fascinated by RFK Jr.
	and some of his insights.
	He blew my mind.
	He blows my mind too.
	And when I listened and I thought about some of this stuff, it enlightened me, it changed my perspective.
	Yeah, he's very deep on the vaccine stuff, especially.
	The general coziness between regulators and industry.
	And that's what fascism was.
	That is what it is.
	Fascism was a corporate government unification.
	That's exactly what it is.
	Under a totalitarian... what?
	They.
	That's the they.
	That's one of the they's.
	And you know they say there's only 25,000 of them in the world doing all this.
	Programming all these things that go into each other.
	Using their computers to go.
	Oh, okay.
	Facebook's gonna take this and then you know, it's just dividing up the information.
	Well, the thing I blow my mind more than anything is this this centralization of authority.
	That is the enemy.
	Yes.
	Bureaucrats were the enemy.
	Bureaucracy is the enemy.
	But centralizing authority and things like medicine?
	Yeah.
	And you know, it's just you can't the the federal government was a Essentially, just a way of agreeing amongst the states to have a more perfect union and to have somebody give us a common defense, a common currency, and some interstate commerce.
	That's it!
	That's the federal government!
	And the fact that people look for it now for like solving all of our problems, it's just like, oh boy!
	And plus they lie about everything and then if anyone even wants to present The opposite side of which there are always two sides, if not three, to everything.
	And instead they just demonize all opposition and censor it right off the face of the earth.
	Well, you're a bad person if you do these ad hominem attacks, which is really, that's dangerous.
	That's how you get people hurt.
	Well, that's how they de-platform people and they can't, you know, they've lost everything.
	They have no money.
	They can't make any money.
	I know.
	One of the things that COVID has done though is taught people that people that were demonized and were condemned and were canceled can be right.
	Well, that's true.
	And so they're learning that, oh, maybe we'd be a little more cautious with who we condemn as a bad person or off base completely.
	Well, I think it is when you're over the target, you get condemned.
	Yeah.
	It certainly seems to be the pattern.
	Right?
	I notice that's what happens to me when I get near something that I may be not quite right, but if I'm getting near something, something that people want to protect for usually spurious reasons, that's when they get very aggressive.
	Don't you think that all they really want to protect is the information that implicates them in crimes?
	See, I don't go there.
	I don't go there.
	You go right there.
	Well, you're younger than me.
	I'm naive, is what you're saying.
	But I am concerned about the World Economic Forum.
	I mean, that kind of centralization, international... Have you seen that treaty they won on healthcare?
	I am profoundly concerned about that.
	They want authority over all elected officials, all sovereign officials.
	We just went through something horrible because things were overly centralized.
	Now you want to take it to an international scale?
	Here's what's funny about it is that the United States funds that.
	I know!
	I can't believe it.
	Like the people in our government are the ones that are making it happen and then forcing the taxpayers to foot the bill.
	That is not conspiratorial to start thinking about all the things that our money does.
	Bing!
	That's concerning.
	There's all kinds of things I don't want my money to do.
	A lot of things that our government spends my money on.
	Fucking people pay their taxes for roads, schools, hospitals, and things like that.
	Protection from the police.
	They are getting jack shit of that.
	But you know what?
	They're building a whole place over there in the Ukraine for all the criminals and when Trump gets back in and runs their asses in prison, they're gonna go over there to the fucking Ukraine or Dubai on our tax money to escape getting implicated for being pedophiles.
	That's what I think.
	Interesting.
	Or priests or pirates.
	All of it.
	All of it.
	Thieves.
	Who are we talking about?
	The thieves that steal the public's money and put it into private pockets.
	It's like anti-capitalism socialism.
	And it's also like not really socialism or not really communism either.
	It's mafia capitalism.
	You're right.
	That's true.
	It's kind of a weird... A billionaire socialist?
	What the fuck is that?
	Yeah, right.
	Isn't that weird?
	Right?
	Right.
	That is an oxymoron.
	Right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So what is your family of origin's story?
	How'd they get to this country?
	They're Jews.
	The Jewiest of all the Jews.
	Dirty Jews.
	From where?
	Not dirty.
	They're very plain, obsessively so.
	From where?
	Well, they came from all over, really.
	Eastern European.
	New Russian.
	Russian.
	I'm gonna bet you not Russian because I was told Russian my whole life too.
	No, my grandfather was from Kiev.
	It's Ukraine or Belarus.
	It's Ukraine or Belarus.
	It's not Russia.
	My grandfather told me we were Russians.
	Same here.
	I was told my whole life Russia.
	And then before my uncle died, I started getting more information.
	It turned out Belarus, Ukraine.
	And if you look, if you do your 23andMe, they give you, they show you where your ancestors came from.
	And you'll see the diaspora from the Ukraine.
	We, you and I, our family got away from the Holodomor.
	That's why we're here.
	We would have died of famine if we had stayed under Stalin's situation.
	And somehow our family had the good sense to leave their homeland.
	Oh, they killed all my family in Lithuania.
	Buried the whole town alive of Jews.
	Okay, well, they didn't make it, so they're not considered here.
	No, they didn't.
	Well, my grandmother and her two sisters did make it to the U.S., but she lost... And she's Lithuanian.
	She lost nine siblings and all the rest of the family.
	And that was part of Stalin again, or what was that?
	The pogroms?
	That was the Nazis.
	The Nazis.
	So that came quite a bit later.
	Yeah, but she was stuck in between not quite the Nazis, And the 1917 revolution, that whole... So it's like everybody was coming for the Jews.
	The Jews were coming for the Jews.
	The socialist Jews hated the religious Jews.
	The cosmopolitan Jews hated the farmer Jews.
	Have you read The White Pill by Michael Malice?
	Please get that book.
	Oh no, he's one of my... Oh, I love Michael Malice.
	I have it, I have it.
	Yeah, I know about it.
	He goes over this history quite detailed.
	And it's why we're here.
	And so, you know, when people talk about privilege and stuff, I think, Jesus, my family, man.
	Yeah, there's no privilege.
	They got here, they were survivors.
	This country saved my family.
	My other side, so they were Ukrainian, Lithuanian, and others of them came from Poland.
	Yeah, which was the same kind of thing.
	Yeah, and also like they went as far as Spain and Portugal too.
	So I have all that, but the 23andMe was amazing because it showed that we had North African roots, which I had always all my life known.
	Have you been there?
	Oh yeah, subsequently to my fame and getting some dough, you know.
	What'd you do down there?
	Shop for rugs in Marrakesh.
	Oh, you went to Marrakesh.
	You just toured around North Africa.
	Yeah.
	I went for more.
	I went because I'm a Jewie Jew Jewie.
	And so I went on the religious retreat of the whole area, you know, the whole Levant.
	Sort of the holy places.
	Sephardic retreat?
	The holy places.
	You know where the prophets and such are buried and stuff like that.
	So I did all that.
	It was cool to see it.
	See all those places.
	We're getting into stuff and it doesn't surprise me where we are.
	This is what almost breaks my heart.
	We don't have a country filled with people that appreciate history and the past.
	They don't even know.
	They have no idea.
	We lived through the 70s.
	I remember the 70s when everyone announced, we figured it out!
	We know now!
	The Penn Station, that beautiful old building, that's a piece of shit!
	We need to build some 60s Soviet-style building on top of it.
	That's the future.
	We went through this when we decided that everything old was bad and the past had no meaning to us.
	That was us.
	That was our generation.
	And it was a gigantic mistake and none of us ever thought we'd see it again.
	And kind of here we are in more worse.
	Think about what, you know, that's like part of the whole Brainwashing too because you know, I think that the MK ultra I mean it always leads leads into the Stalinist They're always so much the same thing.
	You know, I I just read a Lennon biography.
	It's really it's him He really was the driving force.
	Stalin was just a right useful idiot.
	Really?
	I mean he just perfected what Lennon was setting up Lennon we had Was a horrible human being the worst the worst and he had it all figured out and He is, when you said earlier, knowing the difference between a good person and a bad person, that's not a good person.
	Yes, and an ultimate tyrant, a little pharaoh, little Hitler, right?
	He just... He didn't really give a shit about people.
	No.
	And yet he gave a shit about his... Starved millions.
	Well, that's Stalin again.
	That's really Stalin.
	Lenin starved them accidentally because he was incompetent.
	Yeah, but he starved them.
	Yeah, it's true.
	A lot of people did.
	They're all like horrible.
	Creepy.
	Are they Russians?
	Who?
	Lenin?
	Lenin.
	Was he Russian?
	I think so.
	I don't know my history as well as you do, but I'm... Shit.
	I remember reading about his origin.
	I was thinking, ooh, there's something going on here.
	A little different about his origin.
	You look up at it.
	Well.
	But his brother got killed.
	Russian, Russian, Russian all the way?
	They do some weird shit, the Russians.
	What do you think of Putin?
	I mean, talk about somebody that seems to like feudalism.
	He was born in Moscow.
	He's like the richest man in the world.
	He's not?
	He is.
	That's what I figured.
	He's got more money than Elon Musk.
	Yeah.
	I just read Elon's biography too.
	I read lots of biographies.
	Really?
	The Elon Musk biography was fantastic.
	You'll talk about Autista.
	You will love him.
	I have so much admiration for him.
	I'm obsessed.
	I do too.
	Now he's not a great guy in the sense you'd want to hug him or hang around him, but man do I have admiration for that guy.
	I think he's awesome.
	I think he's very brave.
	When he said, go fuck yourself, did you love that?
	I loved it and I was reading the biography at the time and I thought, oh this is... particularly when he said, is that clear?
	Because that's just him.
	He fires and hires and just keeps moving forward and doing stuff and his compass is just due north at all times and he just keeps moving.
	And yet, as I always say, and yet, When it rains, because I have a Tesla, when it rains, then you'll get in your car, you know, and roll down the window and the rain comes right on to your leg.
	Oh yeah, so the design is important.
	If you were to tell him, he'd probably... I always say it, but I think he may be one of these people that don't want to hear any.
	Dissent.
	Oh no, he is all about better, better, better, better.
	And who made this decision and why?
	All about that.
	Constantly.
	Well, he better do something with those windows.
	Maybe it's an older version.
	No?
	I don't know.
	Because he's always, always, always changing stuff.
	Always.
	I don't like the way you push this button to open the glove compartment either.
	I'm almost going to get a truck just because I admire him so much.
	I want to get a truck too.
	I didn't really want the truck but I'm just going to do it because I admire him so much.
	I invested so much of my money in him and I made so much money and you know what?
	It's just endless.
	The investing in anything he does is endless.
	He's in business with everyone on earth.
	You know what's interesting?
	He, in the book, Bill Gates comes to him and goes, dude, you should be philanthropic.
	You need to, and Musk goes, show me what you're doing with your money.
	And he goes, well, here are the top five things.
	And then he goes, that's dumb.
	I could do so much more building businesses, so much more humanity, and creating jobs,
	and financially for the world, and also solve way more problems than you solve with this
	sleepy bullshit.
	I thought, oh yes, you are.
	I like that.
	That's great.
	Just keep building, man.
	Keep building companies.
	Yeah, he's a builder.
	We didn't talk about vaccine.
	You haven't gotten me all the way in trouble yet.
	Yeah, no, let's do that.
	And then I want to hear a little bit more about Fauci, because you never really told me.
	Okay.
	Do we need to talk about the wellness company?
	We do have to do the wellness company real quick.
	Okay.
	Oh, okay.
	I'll read the promo code for you.
	Okay.
	What do I say?
	Well, you're on the board.
	I'm on the medical board of the Wellness Company.
	I got a million things to say about that.
	Okay, go.
	Well, first of all, they're great.
	They are well-meaning people, great people.
	We're not all completely aligned on everything, like everything Peter McCullough says I don't want to sign off on, but I admire I admire him, and I want to see him continue to think about things and say stuff and put stuff out there.
	Anyway, he's been a great guy to work with.
	He's a consummate physician.
	He knows, cares about people.
	And one of the things I've noticed is I've been trying to protect the physician-patient relationship my whole career, and it's just over.
	We can't protect that anymore as doctors.
	We either have insurance companies telling us what to do, or employees, or we're employees, or hospitals.
	You saw what happened during COVID.
	The behavior was mind-boggling.
	Mind-blowing.
	People just go home and come back when you're a PO270.
	Closing down your offices and your care of patients when they need you the most.
	I couldn't believe it.
	Anyway, this is a response to that.
	And I kind of am now the opinion that because we can't protect the relationship, we need
	to give the patient more.
	There's so many things that are so easy to use that patients should have access to.
	So we have these emergency kits.
	That's what you have the code for.
	I've followed my patients for years and years, and I give them emergency kits, and I give
	I've always done that.
	And so when they started talking about doing this, I was like, yes, of course.
	And you have a telehealth visit, if you wish, and you have a handbook on how to use these things and when to use them and what they're for.
	It really empowers them.
	It empowers the patient.
	I'm pushing them to get into reproductive health.
	Because I'll give you a world exclusive.
	You know how there's PrEP and PEP?
	Do you know what that is?
	So you can take an antiviral medication before you have sex to prevent HIV from transmitting.
	Oh, I didn't know that.
	You can take an antiviral after, called PEP, post-exposure prophylaxis, to reduce the risk of transmission rather dramatically.
	Turns out there are other antibiotics you can take that you can prevent risk of things like gonorrhea and chlamydia and things, and we just don't tell patients about it.
	I want to really go down that road of empowering people, reproduction, non-hormonal kinds of contraception.
	I want to go aggressively down that.
	I love it.
	Let me read this promo code now.
	I want to talk about it.
	is giving you, if you want to get one of these med kits, and you get the whole booklet and everything.
	Yeah, yeah, these are great kits.
	They're reasonably priced.
	It's so good for people to be more responsible for themselves.
	We're going to have travel kits soon, because when my patients go on travel, I give them certain antibiotics and certain things.
	That's so smart.
	I said we've got to create that for our patients at wellness companies, so we're doing that now too.
	So go to TWC.health forward slash RB.
	RB.
	That's you guys.
	And use code RB to save 10% at checkout.
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	You know what all this craziness has created?
	I used to take a pill after I had sex so I didn't get an ICD, IUD, or ICM.
	UTI.
	UTI.
	And then you gave the guy a pill before he had sex.
	No, you take it after because I always got a UTI after sex.
	Yes, that's another thing we could do.
	I just quit having sex because I figured this is not worth it.
	Not worth it to get UTIs all the time.
	Would you do that sex kit with this company?
	I'm going to, I plan to.
	That's a great idea.
	I'm pushing them in that direction.
	That's a good thing.
	And by the way, for somebody like that, you know, look, If somebody came to me with that history, I'd go, you know, some vaginal estrogen cream would probably make the whole goddamn thing stop.
	And no one tells you that!
	And there's no reason you shouldn't have access to it.
	I never heard that, for God's sake.
	I said, my whole life, looking back, the only thing that ever got thin on me was my vaginal walls.
	Right, and that's correct!
	And that's why the vaginal cream restores some of that suppleness.
	It does?
	Yes, and that's where the urinary tract infections are coming from.
	Yeah, because it's all cracked down there.
	Dusty.
	Nobody tells people this.
	It's a wild thing.
	Can you combine the cream with like a lubricant?
	You don't even need the lubricant if it's... You can, but you don't even need the lubricant.
	I just say you don't have to put a cream on.
	It'd be gross.
	Like, you know, make it sexy.
	Plus the thought of... Well, the cream is just on a regular basis.
	Oh, it's just the thought of touching anyone is repulsive.
	Well, it's because you're not on the cream.
	See, I'm so the opposite of you that way.
	It's so funny.
	Yeah.
	Especially hands.
	See, I am the opposite.
	The fact that Dr. Fauci was saying we're never going to shake hands again, that was where I was... We're off the rail here.
	This is... Something's wrong.
	Really?
	Yeah, you probably welcomed it.
	I just thought, nuh-uh.
	She loved COVID.
	That's when I really started, I reached out in shaking hands.
	I was like, I am legit.
	I loved COVID because it was like the quarantine, it was so great because I never had to babysit because I told my daughters, I can't be around kids because you know, I'm not vaccinated.
	And so just keep your kids at your own place.
	And so I never had a babysitter all year.
	Look at the joy in that face.
	I had an assistant.
	She's made me cheese sandwiches whenever I wanted.
	And I just laid in bed all on my new medications, which were good, and went on social media.
	Psych meds?
	Huh?
	Psych meds?
	Oh, yeah.
	What are you taking?
	Well, Ben on the COVID, on the quarantine.
	I can't remember which ones I was on during that.
	Depakote?
	No, I've never gone that one.
	Abilify?
	I have done Abilify.
	No, I didn't do it.
	Abilify is the hamburger helper one, right?
	Yes.
	If your thing ain't working, ask your doctor for Abilify.
	Truvada also does that kind of thing.
	I think it's Truvada, yeah.
	I took...
	Oh, it's too long of a name.
	It's got about 15 letters and it starts with a D. That one you're always feeling for?
	Yeah.
	It's the best one I've ever been on.
	Lyrica!
	Oh, just Lyrica?
	Yeah.
	What's Lyrica?
	Look at him shocked.
	That's all they bring on?
	Lyrica is just a pain medicine essentially.
	It's like Neurontin.
	Oh, maybe it's not Lyrica.
	Maybe that's the wrong word.
	But anyway, the point is, pharmacology can be helpful, is the point I'm trying to make.
	Absolutely.
	Well, this one I'm on is so good.
	So this is generally what I want to say, is that going all one way and all the other is usually an error.
	Absolutely.
	Yes, it is.
	I'm trying to get everyone to temporize.
	To be moderate.
	The truth is always in the middle.
	Don't go to the extremes.
	The excesses.
	Even in vaccines.
	In vaccines, for me, it's odd that they had a vaccine ready for a spike protein.
	Isn't that interesting?
	They do?
	That's what the mRNA vaccine was, a spike protein.
	But now they have a vaccine for the spike protein?
	That's what the mRNA vaccine is, to produce lots of spike protein.
	So your body sees the spike protein on the coronavirus and fights it off.
	But you produce a bunch of spike protein first, so your immune system reacts to it.
	So now they're going to give you a shot to get rid of the spike protein.
	Well, this is what's weird to me is that we took the most pathogenic part of the virus and made it... people exposed them to a lot of it.
	That was odd that we didn't switch to the nucleocapsid protein, but okay.
	And Rand Paul pointed out to me today that because the Moderna was already underway with this stuff.
	Somebody knew there was something afoot with potential coronavirus problems.
	Yeah.
	So we did that, and it was very helpful early on for older patients.
	It really was.
	It really kind of interrupted things.
	I had older patients that died of COVID, and when I was able to vaccinate them, things were different.
	Really?
	They were different.
	Now, should a 12-year-old be vaccinated?
	I wasn't so clear at the time, but I didn't take an opinion yet.
	Then now we're doing third vaccines.
	Now we're doing fourth, four rounds of this.
	There is a study out of Austria just a couple days ago that suggested that the fourth vaccine, the second booster, not only did nothing, no effect on hospitalization, no effect on deaths, reduced infection maybe by 17% for three months, and then a rebound where you get more infection for the rest of the way.
	So it really doesn't do anything.
	So I don't know what we're doing with all the boosting, boosting, boosting.
	Especially when 99% of the people have antibodies against the virus.
	Here's a thought for you.
	What if we're doing it just to sell people shit?
	To make money?
	It looks like that.
	Doesn't it?
	Yes, it does.
	And if I were amongst those people that were being accused of doing that, I would want to correct course very quickly.
	Particularly, let's take a 22-year-old male.
	This virus has no risk for a 22-year-old male.
	And the vaccine has some risk of causing myocarditis.
	Not a lot, but some risk.
	And some newer studies showed that half of those kids have persistent myocarditis a year later!
	That's mind-boggling!
	Any other product would be taken off the market, or certainly for those age groups.
	And yet we're still pushing it.
	Remember the Tylenol poisoning?
	It was one store and four bottles of Tylenol and they pulled it from everywhere.
	Remember you couldn't get Tryptophan?
	Do you remember Tryptophan when they pulled it?
	Because one person died on Tryptophan?
	Which you can get from Turkey.
	They used to pull shit.
	Something happened in the medical.
	Now they're mandating it.
	Do you think that all the medical stuff, let me just ask you this.
	We're in the vaccine part right now.
	Go ahead, ask me.
	Well, it changed somewhat somewhere.
	Was it Obamacare that changed everything and made it so corporate?
	That was part of the evolution, I think, because, you know, if you look at the electronic medical record, there's all these milestones you have to hit, and if you hit them, you get a little higher reimbursement and blah, blah, blah, from the insurance company, not from the drug company, from the insurance companies, or from the government, from Medicare and things.
	And so, yeah, there's a lot more sort of rule following, programmatic checking boxes,
	that kind of stuff that was never part of medicine when I was trained.
	Yeah, there's some of that.
	And there's, you know, residents don't work the long hours anymore.
	They don't prioritize patients the way we used to.
	I worry about that.
	We'll see.
	I mean, I- It seems like, you know,
	well, maybe you're pioneering a great exodus that becomes- I just, my interest is in the truth.
	That is my interest.
	And if we can all ascend to the truth, I'll be very happy.
	Yeah, I will be too.
	Especially if doctors... Your truth is a little different than my truth.
	I know.
	It's very different.
	But no, it isn't.
	One of us is going to be right.
	Well, it'll be me.
	It could be.
	It always is.
	Yeah, you have a pretty good record.
	Have you ever looked at things I've said would happen over the last 20 years?
	Like, no, give me an example.
	Please, please give me an example.
	We've got to write it up.
	Please do.
	I'm going to write it up and pass it along.
	Please do for me.
	I would love to see it.
	Oh, the Iran deal.
	The which?
	The Iran deal you were right about.
	That's what you got fired for.
	Yeah.
	Calling out how that would fund essentially Israel being attacked.
	That is just beginning to occur to people right now in our country.
	It is odd how poorly informed we are at a time when information is everywhere.
	It concerns me.
	That's the part I'm struggling with right now.
	We have more access to information now than we ever have throughout history and we're dumber.
	It makes no sense.
	Again, I ran Paul's fresh on my mind because I just interviewed him and I read through his book as best I could.
	It's like 400 pages of evidence, just mounds of evidence.
	Where's Ronan Farrow?
	Why isn't he digging over that and trying to figure out what's going on?
	I want that kid to really help enlighten, pull the lid off this, get the band-aid off.
	What is going on?
	There's something missing in our ability to access the full spectrum of what's going on here.
	I know that's mind control that keeps us from... People are scared.
	We are being taught never to...
	Assess, blame, upward.
	That's one of my problems.
	We were reared on that, right?
	Our thing was question authority.
	That was our deal.
	So how our children and their children came to totally trust the government.
	If they want to vaccinate my eyeballs, 15 times up and let them do it.
	I'm on the record as saying there aren't enough vaccines in the world for my family.
	That's my statement pre-COVID.
	Since then I've been like, I'm thinking about it.
	Everybody seems to have somebody in their family who's died from myocarditis.
	Everybody has at least somebody in their family and people are not trusting.
	They're just not trusting because of evidence.
	Well, no vaccine's ever been put to market that quick, Operation Warp Speed, Warp Speed, right?
	No, and remember, everybody, no one was gonna take it because it was Trump's vaccine.
	Yeah, I know.
	And all of a sudden, you have to take it.
	It's like, what?
	I know, that's what I said.
	I asked my family members that couldn't wait to run out and get it.
	All gay, by the way.
	I'm like, what is it with the gays trusting the government to, you know, vaccinate them?
	Hello?
	Remember the 60s?
	Hello?
	Remember Stonewall?
	Yeah.
	Remember this government at all?
	But they did.
	They ran for the vaccine.
	There's musicians and marafoo fighters you couldn't get in their concert without vaccines.
	There were rock stars that were like, you're supposed to be fucking counterculture.
	It was panic and it was mass formation.
	It was mass formation, but it was also like, hey, if you don't do what we, the owners, tell you to do, you're going to get blacklisted, blackballed.
	They were deluded with the message that the vaccinated are the... It's the pandemic of the unvaccinated.
	They're the source of infection.
	They're the ones that are filling up the hospitals.
	All these things that they believed.
	They still believe to this day a lot of people.
	But that shit ain't true.
	No, I never believed that crap.
	It's all bullshit.
	Correct.
	Remember those nurses at the same time they were...
	I think people are funny in how they do, but they were saying that the hospitals were overrun with people suffering and couldn't get in, and then the nurses come out doing that big old choreographed dance number down the hall that probably took, you know, 20 to 28 hours to get all the steps in, you know?
	It's just like, To understand the dual... Hang on, my wife is paging and... You're interrupting our podcast.
	Roseanne says hi.
	What's going on?
	We're wrapping up.
	Something going on?
	Okay.
	Okay, bye.
	I got that on mic.
	Is everything okay?
	I guess.
	Well, we went a little long.
	We can wrap up.
	I just... I wanted to hear one more thing about... Well, let me finish my... Alright.
	No, I'm not done.
	I'm still talking to her.
	All I got is the freeway, by the way, which is blocked by Palestinian protesters.
	Are you kidding?
	The 110, right?
	And you can't run him over.
	I mean, you can.
	You should.
	But you can't.
	Well, what was I saying?
	I was telling him something.
	We were talking about vaccines.
	We were talking about the... Damn, it was good, too!
	Play the tape back!
	Well, his wife called.
	Yeah, I know.
	It was her fault, to be fair.
	It was something I was going to say about...
	Just how it works.
	Oh, the dissonance, the imposed cognitive dissonance.
	They'll show you those nurses at the same time.
	That'll be on the internet, but then at the same time on CNN it'll be the Emergency rooms are overflowing.
	So it's like, how can you stay balanced and safe when it's the opposite every minute?
	I had a nightly show here on Fox 11, you know, not Fox News, Fox Local.
	And I did it for about a year during COVID, trying to help people understand what was going on.
	And every night I was having to kind of adjust what the producers wanted to put out there.
	They go, there's no hospital beds!
	I go, The county says there's no hospital beds.
	So that means there's no county-free, sufficiently staffed.
	They have a staff problem.
	They have plenty of beds.
	They can't get enough nurses in there.
	The hospitals all around the city are fine, all the private hospitals, and the county's getting stressed because people without insurance and whatnot are coming in.
	But don't now say, there are no ICU beds.
	Do not say that.
	I had to do things like that every night.
	They were in panic.
	I had somebody walk up into me in a newsroom, a really high quality journalist, and said, so this is a... what's the word he used?
	This is a... what's it called when a species... he goes, this is an extinction event, right?
	We're witnessing an extinction of humanity.
	And I was like...
	What?
	I mean, nothing, not even remotely like that is going on.
	Yeah, my dad was like that.
	And that's what the people who produced the news were thinking and believed.
	That's how fuck we, that's what we did to people.
	They, they thought that the COVID was that?
	Was humans going instinct before their eyes.
	Yeah.
	That this was going to eliminate the human species.
	That's like when Trump won and my daughter was there because I had a broken leg and was up in San Fran in a room and everyone came to see me for my birthday.
	Well, that just happened to be election night when Trump won 2016-15.
	And my daughters are very liberal, and the one started to scream.
	I knew Trump was going to win, too.
	How?
	I just knew he was.
	I was shocked.
	Another thing she was right about.
	Who's winning the next?
	Oh, well, let's wait.
	Let me finish what my daughter said.
	So she turns to me because it was my fault, of course, that he won.
	And she goes, mother!
	She goes, he is going to deport all the gays!
	I know.
	My daughter called me and said, what's going to happen to my friends?
	He's going to round them up.
	I was like, where did you get that idea from?
	She was at Columbia.
	Oh, the Trump derangement syndrome is part of this.
	But that was shocking to me.
	It's gotten worse.
	Well, it's different now.
	It's changed a bit.
	I think it's crazier now.
	They like amping us up against each other.
	Yeah.
	That's what it is.
	I feel like it's planned.
	I do feel like there's a hand at work here.
	They want a race war.
	They want a civil war.
	It can't be just crazy.
	The owners!
	Klaus Schwab in them!
	Yeah, could be Klaus.
	Well, how about, uh, what's his name?
	The people who put on every color revolution on earth.
	Soros, because a color revolution is happening in America, just like it happened in Ukraine and Egypt.
	The same exact thing is happening here.
	And if you notice it at all, you're an enemy.
	But that is what it is.
	We need to fight back and make sure we find our way back to sanity.
	Well, we need to start talking to each other, speaking to each other, and pointing the blame upward, not laterally at each other, but upward at the actual people who are guilty and actually cause all the goddamn trouble.
	I am prepared to blame the media.
	They've been a major, major source of trouble.
	Well, they're an arm of it.
	They're owned by four companies.
	Well, that's fine.
	And the pharmas are the one funding it, let's be fair.
	That's right.
	Right.
	But that's where my focus was from the beginning with COVID.
	Me too.
	It was so crazy.
	Don't listen to these people.
	There's a plan there.
	And it's the elections, too.
	Because remember when we were alive?
	Remember when we were young?
	Yes.
	You know, they used to have a thing called the Fairness Doctrine, and so if somebody came on and spoke about their political party for three minutes, you got equal time.
	There was no money involved.
	It didn't cost a billion dollars to lose an election.
	It's just all devolved.
	I agree with that.
	Have you seen when all the journalists say the same thing?
	Have you seen that video?
	Oh my god, it's fantastic.
	Play that video for everybody here.
	No, no, if one's not safe, nobody's safe.
	There's like three or four Companies that own all the media, right?
	And you see this where they're reading from the same script.
	But I've worked there.
	But I'm just wondering, why do you have such a hard time when we say they, or people in charge, you're always like, who's they?
	When you can see right there, there's four people that run every news organization.
	If they have one private phone call, like, hey, we're going with this story tonight, that's the story tonight.
	Yeah, but listen, I've worked, I was on a show that every night.
	Yeah, but you weren't at that level.
	You were getting the stuff like, hey, this is what we're talking about tonight.
	You just got the shit to read.
	I mean, I know you produced your stuff, but they were saying- Did you?
	Yeah.
	Oh, you produced it?
	Well, I helped produce it.
	I wasn't the producer.
	You were on a network or a local network?
	Did they tell you what to do?
	Never.
	Oh, good.
	Until they did.
	Right.
	Oh, until they did.
	That's what I'm saying.
	So I did get in trouble at one point.
	So they control the information.
	But it wasn't, it was, that was eye-opening.
	But that was after being there for like eight years.
	Yeah.
	It was weird.
	You probably weren't, you weren't threatening the narrative of whatever you were doing eight years ago.
	They're always taking your temperature.
	It was when you started to go outside of the realms of their No, I never felt any pressure to say anything, ever.
	Until you did.
	But actually, as always, what was reported about what I said was not even what I said.
	It's never what I say.
	This is the thing about being a public figure.
	Whatever you said is never what's reported.
	It's never what goes viral.
	It's always what somebody said you said.
	She's aware.
	Well, with me, it's like they take my jokes as if they were statements.
	Like if Henny Youngman goes, take my wife, please.
	He's trafficking his wife!
	He's saying, come and have sex with his wife.
	All my jokes, they take them like they're serious.
	But again, I think people are waking up to that.
	They're getting used to it.
	They're becoming more smart.
	They're smarter about consumption of news and virality.
	I hope so.
	After all the ridiculous shit they've seen, that Don Lamon was the worst of it.
	That guy!
	I know you're not going to say anything.
	Well, he was somebody I worked with, you know?
	Oh, it was?
	Yeah, and that was how I got in trouble.
	I said something on his show.
	Oh, that's right!
	But I didn't get in trouble with them.
	I got in trouble later.
	So here's my story with them.
	So, I had a wonderful experience at CNN.
	I have no quarrel.
	They were great.
	I just have nothing but positive things to say about my experience there.
	What about Jeff Zucker?
	He was great.
	I had a great relationship with him.
	I used to really like that guy.
	The guy right under me.
	I really admired and still admire.
	And he came to me and said, we're cancelling all primetime on HLM.
	They just cancelled me and Nancy Grace and all that stuff.
	But we're going to wait a few months because your employees need this and that.
	On behalf of the employees, it was really a nice thing.
	Yeah, they always say that.
	And I was on Don Lemon's show pretty much every night.
	And one night I was on there going, yeah, Trump has narcissism, Trump is a hypomanic, but a lot of business people are that way.
	And I said, be careful how you label presidents with these psychiatric labels.
	And I described two presidents who had significant psychiatric problems.
	And I said, Should these two guys have been present?
	It's like, absolutely not.
	Well, okay.
	That's Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt.
	Abraham Lincoln had a profound depression, severe depression.
	He is bipolar.
	He may have had bipolar.
	Teddy was definitely bipolar.
	You got in trouble for that?
	Huh?
	You got in trouble for that?
	No.
	I was doing a daytime radio show, and the program director said, hey, I heard what you said on Don Lemon last night.
	Could you condense that to 30 seconds and put it on our website?
	Oh, yeah.
	Hold on.
	And it gets better.
	And I go, yeah, I think I could do that.
	And I did it.
	And I'm getting up, and he goes, fairness.
	You know what?
	There's an election.
	You probably should.
	Can you say something about Hillary?
	Can you do me 30 seconds on Hillary?
	Well, funny thing, she released her medical records today, her doctors, and she was getting not good medical care.
	I had notes about everything they were doing for her.
	I remember you saying that.
	And so I did 30 seconds criticizing or raising issues about the medical care she was getting.
	She'd had a stroke, and she'd had a transverse sinus thrombosis, and she was on hypercoagulable medication, and why did they have on Coumadin?
	I had a million questions.
	And I got up and didn't think anything of it.
	Next day, drudge reports, front page, finally a physician says she's not suitable for office, which is not at all what I said.
	That then goes viral.
	That's when I heard from they, who told me to go away.
	And a week later, we'd planned to stop the show.
	So it looked like we had canceled the show because of what I said, which was not what I said, not why we stopped the show.
	Yeah, they were just setting you up.
	They wanted you out.
	I was already out!
	We had agreed, lock, stock and barrel, the show was over on the next Thursday.
	They were probably just mad you said something about Henry.
	You triggered him with the anti-Hillary.
	But I didn't even give anything anti-Hillary!
	I was giving both sides an assessment.
	Well, because Drudge... Drudge said I said something that I didn't say.
	Nancy Pelosi calls that...
	The wrap-up snare.
	She does call it that.
	And that's what happened to me with COVID.
	They put out a video of parts of the things I was saying.
	And by the way, the things that they cut out would be the things I would be criticized for today.
	Because at the end of every one of my little concerns about the paranoia and the hysteria and all that I was sort of yelling about, I would say, just listen to the CDC and listen to Fauci.
	They'll get us through this.
	I remember.
	I used to be so mad at you.
	And they cut that part out, and that part is still gone, but today I would be criticized for that part.
	Yeah.
	You know, so... I was upset with you when you were doing that.
	Isn't that something?
	Oh, Fauci, I don't know.
	I think... You already knew it was a problem with that?
	I did.
	I knew right ahead, day one.
	Well, so there's a good prediction.
	I knew because Q said, I was into the Q thing.
	I guess you never were into the Q thing.
	No.
	Well Q said watch Fauci because he's doing the Freemason handshake.
	Yeah.
	So that's how I knew he was no good.
	Tell me for both of you.
	I knew because of Lyme disease and Y2K.
	What about Lyme?
	You remember Lyme disease?
	Yes.
	If you stepped on grass you were going to die.
	I didn't go outside for a year when I was 12 years old because I thought if I touched grass I was going to get Lyme disease and die.
	Y2K happened.
	This hysteria I fell for.
	After those two, I was like, oh, they're just pushing hysteria.
	It's all bullshit.
	And I never was fooled again.
	So, I'll get an opinion from each of you.
	What's going to happen in our next presidential election?
	There isn't going to be one.
	I've already said that.
	I'm quoted everywhere saying that.
	I'm reiterating on that.
	There won't be a 24 election.
	What's going to happen?
	Well, I'm not at liberty to say that.
	She can't say.
	Okay, when the mics are off, what are you saying?
	I think Trump's gonna win for a third straight time, and I think Biden will get re-elected.
	That's my answer.
	I think there's a reasonable Probability that Biden at the convention will say no.
	I can't.
	I've got a diagnosis of something and here's Mr. Newsom who's going to come in.
	I think so.
	Who do you think it's going to be, Newsom?
	You know what, my favorite?
	Michelle Obama.
	Well, people are saying that, but there's no way Michelle is gonna do it.
	There's no way.
	Why?
	Because if she does, I will dedicate the rest of my life to telling fat-ass Michelle Obama jokes day and night, 24-7, 365.
	She's the one that got me fired.
	She is.
	Yeah, she is.
	And, you know, people say things, and I say things, and what have you.
	More or less, yeah.
	I never said one rude thing about Michelle.
	She's they.
	She's one of they's, yeah.
	She is a they.
	Yeah, she is a they.
	But what was I saying before I went into that?
	Oh, I didn't mean that.
	Oh, my favorite guy that does the analysis, Trump Mafia, on YouTube, they just put him back.
	So happy.
	Alex Jones?
	No, it's just called Trump Mafia.
	Alex Jones is too mainstream for my mom.
	No, but Trump Mafia is so great.
	Read the Musk biography.
	Okay, I will.
	But he says it's going to be Newsom and Hillary.
	And I think that's what it's going to be.
	As a ticket?
	Yep, that's what I think it's going to be, too.
	Who's going to be the president?
	Newsom.
	Newsom.
	Oh, if that happens, I'm done.
	I know, it's really hard.
	And all the women, you know, who are dumber than women have ever been.
	They are.
	They are so stupid.
	I don't know how they can walk, chew gum.
	This is the part that's going to go viral.
	Yeah.
	Dr. Pena just said this.
	Please cut that out.
	I don't want to be a part of it.
	I'll just blur your face.
	No, okay.
	Some women.
	Okay.
	No, she's saying they'll vote for a woman just because she has a vagina.
	Yeah, which, to me, you can't be more stupid than that.
	Jews used to do that.
	Well, it's just stupid.
	That's why I'm going to vote for Michelle Obama, because I have a penis.
	Oh my God!
	We'll cut it out.
	No, he can't be part of this, Jake.
	We'll do that on our own.
	I'm the one that edits this.
	I'll take it off.
	But that was a good joke, let's be real.
	And you're going to tell me off the air why there's going to be no election in 2024.
	Yeah.
	We should wrap up.
	Okay, let's wrap up.
	I'll wrap it up with this.
	We could talk all day.
	You've got to come back.
	Will you come back?
	Yeah, of course.
	We didn't get into anything I wanted to get into.
	Really?
	I've been wanting to talk to you for 15 years.
	About what did you want to talk about?
	Well, I mean, mostly pharmaceutical drugs, but that's another show.
	Let's do another show on that.
	Well, we want to talk more about mental health, too.
	Your childhood trauma stuff that's ruining everything, I'm with you on that.
	I think most things are PTSD.
	I think most problems are PTSD-ish, yeah.
	In that area.
	In that zone, yeah, yeah.
	And I think that the proper way to treat PTSD is through intensive therapy.
	I know medication does help.
	I think it helps in line with additional therapy.
	I don't think it's... You know the kind of therapy... So I just want to say I think people need to get back into intensive therapy.
	I do too.
	And you know what the therapy is based on?
	Not just pills.
	Because this is what helped me with all my mental therapy.
	Go ahead.
	What is it based on?
	Radical honesty.
	No lies.
	No falsehood.
	Just radical honesty.
	I agree with everything wholeheartedly.
	And the kind of work that I think works best that you're talking about is kind of the attunement stuff we were talking about an hour ago.
	And I've watched it work like magic in mutual aid societies, like 12-step and things like that.
	So people can do it with each other.
	They can.
	They can help each other.
	And I've always been trying to figure a way to bottle this, because there aren't enough therapists on earth to do what we need to what you're talking about.
	I know.
	And I do think, back to what we said a while ago, that the solutions... It's pure.
	The solution is other people.
	It's spiritual also, but for me the other people is where I find the spiritual, so I get it all in one for me.
	Most people need some both, but we really have to find the answer in each other.
	And that's where God is.
	I totally agree.
	I totally agree that for me it comes through Something will occur to me that inspires me somehow to create something that moves people.
	And it's very spiritual.
	It does not get better than that, does it?
	No, it doesn't.
	We're here for others.
	We're here to serve other people.
	That's why we're here.
	To keep the species going and be present for others.
	And if you can be open enough, trusting enough, To be there and fully present for somebody, it's deeply satisfying.
	We've all helped our friends through bad relationships, and they've helped us.
	There's helping people, but I'm talking about something a little more profound.
	You're talking about the tuning and stuff that you were doing?
	I'm talking about being really, really, really... Could you teach people how to do that?
	Maybe.
	I've got a call today from a friend that does kind of teach that.
	Maybe I should explore that with her.
	It is really about being able to not listen with your ears but listen with your whole body.
	Yeah.
	That's cool.
	I would love to learn that.
	Yeah, that would be a good thing.
	I'm 100% serious.
	This could be really important, whatever you're cooking.
	Maybe I'll call my buddy back on the way back.
	Yeah, I'm going to hit you up.
	Well, we'll let you go.
	You are so fun to talk to.
	Yeah, I know.
	This is great.
	I've got to get you on my thing, too.
	I want to be on your thing.
	You can do it from here.
	But if I go on your thing, I'll have to be tame.
	No, you don't.
	I don't?
	No.
	Oh, good.
	I think you would radicalize my wife.
	I think she's already got very serious concerns about China and about they and things like that.
	She goes that way.
	Oh, well, she's smart then.
	It is China.
	She's aware.
	You, I think, would radicalize her.
	I'm trying to wake people up to the fact that their options are Dwindling and so are their rights, for God's sake.
	I just think that we must, everyone needs to be aware of the importance of freedom.
	We all need to fight for it, whatever that is.
	Just fight for it, fight for everybody.
	Everybody.
	It's always a fight, too.
	Thank you, Dr. Drew.
	Great to be here.

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