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Nov. 30, 2023 - The Roseanne Barr Podcast
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Tucker Carlson | The Roseanne Barr Podcast #24
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Greetings, Earthlings!
Welcome to the Roseanne Barr podcast.
I got a good one today.
I got the guest of all guests, somebody I've been so excited to have on.
He is a rare gem and an American treasure.
The one, the only, Tucker Carlson!
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you, Roseanne.
Thank you for being here.
Oh man, I'm honored.
I'm so excited to ask you all these crazy things that are in my head.
You can't get too crazy for me.
I know, that's what's so great.
First of all, on the crazy train there, how do you feel about Trump saying he would consider you for vice president?
Oh gosh, I don't know.
I put that in the category of asteroid striking the earth, good or bad.
It's so far outside of my control that I, you know, I'm flattered.
Yeah, it is flattering, isn't it?
For sure.
But I mean, it's hard to, you know, I've never been in politics.
I've never... Would you ever do it?
Would I accept?
Yeah, if you really have to.
I guess I have to think about that.
I mean, I spent my whole life looking at politicians and commenting on them and passing judgment on them, and I've never run for you know, room mother. And so the idea of that is so far
from anything I've ever done it's kind of hard even to imagine. What do you think? I certainly
support Trump, I'll tell you that, and I can tell you, I mean, I've always agreed with Trump's policies,
always, and I lost friends over it.
But, and I've never really actively supported anybody because it's not my job to actively
I watch, you know, I like to watch.
But I'm a voyeur.
Yeah.
But I became an active Trump supporter when they raided Mar-a-Lago last summer, the summer of 2022.
That can't stand.
No, that can't.
And I agree with Trump on a lot.
But even if I disagree with Trump on a lot, I'd still be a Trump supporter because you cannot allow that.
You cannot allow the You know, the regime, the President of the United States to use the Justice Department to knock the frontrunner out of the race.
You can't do that.
No, you can't do that.
So it's bigger than Trump, it's bigger than Biden.
It's a question of, you know, do you want to live in a free country with a functioning justice system, you know?
That's exactly right.
And so I'm voting for Trump, and if they convict him, I will send him the max donations, and I will lead protests.
That's how I feel.
That's how I feel too.
Because, and by the way, if I thought that he had committed some real crime, I wouldn't feel that way, but he didn't.
He and Biden are both found with classified documents at home, along with every other former high-level federal official in history.
But only Trump is indicted?
Like, tell me how that works.
Oh, shut up!
And Biden is the one who did it illegally because he was never president when he did it.
Do you think Dick Cheney brought home any, like, classified Iraq War documents and showed them to his wife in 2003?
Yes is the answer.
And the FBI didn't, you know, put bugs in his house and didn't... I mean, the whole... Look, I spent my life in Washington.
I spent 35 years there, from 1985 to 2020.
And my father ran a federal agency, so I know how the classification system worked.
It still works.
And it's a lie.
It's a lie.
It's a complete lie.
There are over a billion classified documents.
So how is that a democracy?
If you don't know what your government is doing, and you have no right to know on the basis of totally fraudulent national security claims, it's not a democracy, right?
It's an oligarchy.
And so, and I believe in democracy.
I think that the people own this country.
It's not owned by federal unionized bureaucrats or appointees or the richest people.
It's not just like the 27 billionaires get to run everything.
I just don't agree with that.
I don't either.
I hate it, actually.
And they're not even good at it.
That's the other thing.
They're selfish and they're stupid and they're short-sighted and they're totally lacking wisdom.
So they're not even running the country well.
Even if they were, I would still be opposed to it because that's a betrayal of the core promise of America.
Yeah, that's feudalism.
Completely!
But at least in feudalism, there was a symbiotic relationship between the lord and the serfs.
They each needed each other.
Right.
The people who run our country do not need labor.
Labor has no value in America.
The average person has no power.
No economic power.
And when you take away the promise of free elections, you don't even have political power.
Your vote doesn't even matter.
No.
That's really super dark.
So I'm completely opposed to it.
I reject the premise of the charges.
Classified.
On what grounds?
Oh, they're nuclear secrets.
Really?
Which ones?
They can't tell you.
They're classifying a lot.
Thousands of documents from the Kennedy assassination, which is now, next week it'll be 60 years.
It's unbelievable.
January, I mean, rather, November 22nd, 1963.
And we're now in November of 2023.
On what grounds could they be hiding that?
Well, obviously to hide the CIA's complicity in the murder of the president, but there's no defensible grounds on which they can hide those documents.
Don't lecture me about classification.
I actually know a guy who was in charge of it, and I know a lot about this subject.
It's a lie, and don't expect me to play along with it.
What do you think of Hillary saying Trump's Hitler?
Did that curdle your blood like it did mine?
I think I've never taken her very seriously.
I mean, I know, I know her also.
I was at the newspaper in Arkansas, um, in the early nineties, 30 years ago.
So I know a lot about Hillary and I don't think she's a good person.
I think she would put you in a camp without thinking about it if you were in the way.
Well, she said it.
Re-education.
For sure.
And she means it.
I mean, she's got an authoritarian sensibility, but I think she's not very bright, and I think she's most... I mean, she's close to 80, but I think of her as like a child, and so I don't take her seriously enough to really be mad at her, but she'll say whatever.
Whatever she needs to say.
Trump is Hitler!
The thing she does so well, though, is to project what she does onto Trump.
It's like she holds up the mirror and she's like, Russia, Russia, Russia, and that's when she was selling plutonium to Russia.
She devised this whole thing with a fake dossier to frame a sitting United States president, which is...
Isn't that treason when you then use a completely corrupt FISA court with fake FISA stuff to spy on a sitting, to bring down the sitting President of the United States during wartime?
Yes.
Isn't that some sort of mis-prison of treason or something like that?
Of course.
I mean, it's a betrayal of Democratic principles, a betrayal of the Constitution, it's illegal.
And then she's sitting up there going, Trump is Hitler.
Hey, look what you put us through for seven years.
And that doesn't even begin to... It doesn't even begin to talk about the physical damage done to Americans.
But it's pretty revealing, though, because most people couldn't do that.
I mean, all of us lie.
You know, but our lies, the average person... First of all, this is why polygraphs work.
You know, polygraphs are not admissible in court, but that doesn't mean they don't work.
Everybody uses polygraphs.
The CIA uses polygraphs.
The military uses polygraphs.
Big companies use polygraphs.
Why?
Because they work.
They detect deception.
But they don't work on sociopaths.
Exactly!
The reason they work is because normal people, even if they're liars, feel guilty when they lie and their palms sweat and their heart rate rises and their temperature rises.
The average person, when he lies, tells a lie that's 15 degrees off-center.
You know, I'm drinking Pellegrino, but actually it's Perrier, or whatever.
Yeah.
What they don't do is invert the lie.
Right.
You're drinking Perrier.
I'm not.
Exactly!
That is so... the average person can't understand it.
It's bewildering.
It throws you off balance.
It's so aggressive and deeply, like, dishonest at the core level.
You can't even relate to it.
I know.
Right?
And so you think, well, holy shit, maybe it's true.
I mean, look, why would they say it if it wasn't true?
Because that's what a normal person does.
Exactly.
When you're accused, you go, oh my god, did I do something wrong?
Totally.
It's happened to me, actually.
You don't immediately go, uh-uh, you did.
You did, exactly.
Right?
So it does, I think, reveal moral disease and a worldview that's so different from mine, I can't even relate to it.
Do you think that it shows somebody who has, like, you know how they talk about, well, vampires don't cast a, there's no reflection in the mirror?
It's a kind of a thing where there's no there there, they'll just say whatever?
Yeah, I mean, I mean, there's something that's going on in the spiritual realm.
I mean, I'm the last person to ask for details on that because I'm as far from a theologian as you can be, but I've run out of other explanations for it.
Well, I think that they don't see what they do.
No, and there's like, there's just a lot going on that doesn't...
doesn't fit into the categories we were trained to understand the world with.
This isn't left versus right.
It's not just, and I know you often hear people say, it's just about the money.
Yeah, money plays a huge role in this, but it's deeper than that.
It's lying for its own sake.
It's the worship of dishonesty.
It's the hatred of the truth.
Why would you hate the truth?
Sometimes the truth is inconvenient.
If you catch me cheating on my wife, I don't want you to tell the truth about it.
Of course, I get it.
Yeah.
But I don't never even think to take pleasure in telling a lie for its own sake.
I'm not angry when you tell the truth, as long as it doesn't expose my, you know, weaknesses, or as long as I'm not hurt by it.
They hate the truth because it's true.
Yeah, that's it.
And a hundred percent of the people punished in the last five years in the public conversation have been punished for telling the truth not for lying.
And they don't even pretend otherwise.
They don't call it lying anymore.
They call it disinformation.
Yeah, that's it.
The thing about disinformation is it can be true!
Right.
But it's still verboten.
How does that work?
Because it's a kingdom of lies.
It is a kingdom of lies.
That is exactly right.
Think about all these physicians that go, I can't in good conscience go along with this edict.
Yes.
And they lost everything.
Oh, I know.
Americans lost everything because they wasn't wise.
Well, think about all the physicians who did go along with it.
That's what I keep thinking.
Well, I feel like they're village of the damned.
I think that.
And you know, there will come a time when they will answer when it's just like, Okay, you're going to the grocery store and you're going to get the evil eye from 10,000 people.
I hope that's true.
I do know it's true.
Just because I believe in justice, I don't hope for anyone suffering.
But I also think you can't just pretend that it didn't happen.
And as someone who didn't take the vax and really felt under attack because of it... Me too.
You know, it sticks with me a little bit as someone whose children were targeted for vaccines.
Like, you can't go to school unless you take a vaccine.
I mean, it was a big thing in my family.
It was a big thing.
And for a lot of people.
And then to act like it didn't happen It's too much.
It's too much.
There has to be... People demand, I think nature demands, certainly every world religion demands, a moment where we say, maybe we don't, you know, punish the wrongdoers, but we acknowledge that they did wrong.
Yeah, and they do too.
And they acknowledge it.
That's exactly right.
That there's condition and repentance.
Like, these are essential steps in the process of healing.
Like, admittance to know you did something wrong.
What's the first of the 12 steps?
Admitting it!
Right.
But that's like, what's the first step in any of the Abrahamic faiths?
The three Abrahamic faiths is, I'll admit that I sinned.
Yeah.
I'm not perfect.
I'm not God.
You are.
Right.
And so that is like, that's a core requirement On all of us, to retain our humanity is to admit when we do wrong.
Yes, exactly.
And if you see people refusing... Well, that's why they don't believe in God, that's how you can tell.
They definitely think they are gods, of course.
God doesn't apologize.
In Job, which I just read, you know, God makes his deal with the devil, literally with the devil, and afflicts this guy called Job, and Job's like, hey God, like, why did you do this?
And God's answer is basically, I'm God, I don't need to explain.
God's the only one who doesn't need to explain or apologize.
He's the only one.
And the people who run our society consider themselves gods, and that's why they're not explaining or apologizing.
Boy, they do.
They don't think they have to.
Oh, I've noticed.
They don't think.
I think I was talking to somebody and they said to me, well, they think they're more than human.
Oh, obviously.
Yeah.
I go, they're not even human because humans care about their environment and their neighbors.
Of course.
And humans care about, you know, other people's children.
Of course.
And humans care about living things.
Yes.
But they don't do any of that, and he goes, because they think they're more than human.
Oh, I noticed.
That's why they want to live forever.
They think they're royals.
They think they're like royals in a rarefied sphere of DNA or something above us.
Like, did they come from another planet?
You know, when you hear people talk, I can't either.
This is the podcast to speculate on it, though.
Well, because some people, some people say, you know, a lot of religious people, they're into some deep rabbit holes of things, and I don't know.
Well, you can see where they are, though.
I mean, speaking for myself, I have no idea what's going on.
I don't know if this is the Nephilim, right?
I was gonna say!
I know!
That's what I said!
No, let me just say, I said I don't know anything about that stuff, okay?
I'm a very ordinary middle-aged man who spent his life following politics and theology, but I do know that whatever's going on is very deep.
I've spent my whole life around politicians and seen decisions get made, interviewed people who run things, and what's happening now is qualitatively different.
so different that it's not in the same category at all.
No.
This is hurting people for the sake of hurting them.
This is lying for the sake of lying.
This is, as the devil hates holy water, they hate the truth.
You tell the truth about anything.
It almost doesn't matter what it's about.
It doesn't have to be about the next election.
It can just be about history, for example.
Telling the truth about history, why should that offend anybody?
Periods where everyone's dead!
And we can't, of course, change the past, so there's nothing really at stake for us now, right?
You would think people would welcome open-minded historical inquiry to get closer to what actually happened in whatever period or in whatever event.
They hate that.
Well, what are you watching?
You're watching someone who hates the truth because it's true, and there's no possible profit motive that is driving that.
There's no political end that is driving that.
They hate the truth because it's true.
Now we're in the realm of theology.
Yeah, we are.
That's all that is.
I mean, and I can't possibly explain it, but that's what that is.
So have you heard about Antarctica?
Because I always say, in my act... Have I heard about it?
I think it's a continent still, right?
Yeah, but in my act I go, I don't know which is true anymore.
Are we being invaded by the Nephilim from outer space, or is it true that the Nazis have a whole breakaway continent under the ice in Antarctica?
You haven't heard that one, Tiger?
No!
I don't go on the internet very often, so because I'm probably, it's like same reason I don't cruise used car lots, because I'd buy them all.
I don't know.
I don't have the self-control.
I haven't heard that.
I will say, however, I've done some reading recently on topics that, not forbidden or racial or religious, just pure history.
Like, what do we know about ancient civilizations?
Uh-huh.
And the answer is like basically nothing.
And the idea that... Tartaria?
Did you read about Tartaria?
No.
So I'm a neophyte here.
This is like all new to me.
I'll just start with the one thing that we do know, which is what we don't know, which is how the pyramids are built.
And I don't understand how we could send men to the moon, but no one can come up with even a rough theory for how the pyramids are built.
Or even what age they are, because we don't know that either, actually.
And they're under the water, too.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, there's pyramids under the water.
But why, can I ask you this, since you know much more than I do, but why is there such institutional resistance to acknowledging that we don't know certain things?
Because we do know.
Oh, I hadn't thought about that.
Yeah.
Hello?
That's interesting.
Wait, explain that a little.
That's really fascinating.
No, because everything is the people at the tippy-top, the owners of the world.
The big club, like George Carlin says, that you and me ain't in.
We ain't in it.
I've never been invited.
No, and we're never gonna be either.
Please, God.
But they know everything.
It's all in the Vatican libraries.
They know everything.
It's all there, like it was in Alexandria.
Cleopatra had the history of the world in Alexandria.
Remember the sacking of the libraries of Alexandria and Cleopatra?
Well, they took it all to Rome.
It also said how the pyramids were built.
Yeah.
You know what it said?
They used frequency.
They used... Well, I have to say, like, you would think that technology, if we can create AI...
But if we can have supercomputers capable of doing what our computers can currently do, you'd think someone would be able to at least come up with a plausible theory.
And the fact that we can't, it doesn't prove anything other than the limits to our knowledge are... No, but I've heard physicists say that this was done by, you know, some sort of machinery, like the finest cutting machinery that used the highest frequency that cut the stone.
Yeah, and how were they moved?
With no wheels.
I can't remember.
Magnets.
Slaves?
Magnets.
Lots of slaves.
Yeah, but I mean, I've seen... Aliens?
Here in North America, there are certain archaeological ruins, say in the state of Missouri, Um, they were not built by the descendants of the current American Indians.
We know that.
That are, one of them's a mile long.
Yeah.
A mile long in Missouri now.
Yeah.
It's almost nothing.
Like I've never learned any of this in school.
It's all totally real.
Look it up.
It's on Wikipedia, which is the most CIA controlled information source in the world.
What does it look like?
It's, it's a, it's a mound.
It's a tell.
But, you know, 50 feet high or something, I'm guessing.
They're finding stuff all over.
We have Jimmy Corsetti coming on.
He finds stuff all over.
So there is a overwhelming evidence.
Well, there's proof that there were massive population centers.
In North America long before 1492, so what?
What?
All I'm saying, the only thing we know for certain— Well, the Mormons have the Book of Mormon.
They say that that was the history of those people.
The Ten Lost Tribes of Israel came to the United States, and I've certainly spent a lot of my life making fun of that, but I'm gonna stop.
Yeah, but who knows what?
That's exactly right.
But I think that somebody or some group of somebody, they know how stuff works and they got it all.
But why is no one interested in it?
I don't understand why this isn't like the most... No, people are interested but there's no way they can find it because But if you're NBC News, like, why don't you do this, like, a nightly segment on, like, all the mysteries of history?
Because they're kind of... Because they just want to know about Kim Kardashian's ass.
That's all they care about.
Talk about uninteresting.
Well, I mean... And I'm a man.
I think I have a license to assess that.
Not that impressive.
Like, all the conversations about that?
That's like not one of the wonders of the world.
Well, it is for me, Tucker, because I was born assless in an ass-based economy.
Yeah.
You did well, anyway, I have to say.
I always say, if I had an ass like that, I would have made something of myself.
No, no, because, I mean, Dubai has no natural resources, and it's one of the richest places in the world.
Equatorial Guinea has massive oil reserves, and it's impoverished.
So I actually think it's when you don't have the resources that you have to improvise.
That's true.
Maybe that's true.
Talent is overrated.
Did you ever read that book?
No, but I love the name of it.
That's what it's about.
It's basically whoever has to work harder is the best.
I think that's right.
That's not born talent bullshit.
I think it's kind of true too.
Can I ask a question real quick to you?
Because you were talking a few minutes before about... I know what Jake wants to know.
Well, no, no, this is something different.
Lying for lying's sake, and that it's not political and it's theological.
Is it within the realm of possibility that this movement that we're fighting now is actually satanic?
What do you mean in the realm of possibility?
Well, exactly.
I mean, you know, because there's no other explanation.
Well, it's the definition.
Or it's infiltration to destroy narrative.
Of course, because it's not, look.
Or both.
What's not satanic is like the Sicilian Mafia.
Right.
You know, they pimp out women, they loan shark, they sell heroin, but they do it because they want to get a bigger house in Far Rockaway.
I get it.
It's money.
It makes sense.
It's money.
It's totally.
It's a commercial transaction, it hurts people, it's bad, it's illegal, but it's explicable.
Right.
I understand that.
Yes.
You know, what we're seeing now is not explicable.
It's not, why would a billionaire, you know, you have a billion dollars, you can't spend it all.
Right.
It's much deeper than that.
Right.
And why would you hate things that are true that don't affect you?
Right.
You can't stand to hear something that's just objectively true.
Which means you're... What is that?
You're evil.
The hatred of truth is the hallmark of darkness.
Obviously.
Yes, it is.
Absolutely.
I agree.
Well, because the only... I think it's a cyst.
I think it's...
A very dark system that was created over I don't know how many centuries, but you know I think it goes back to really dark times and it's never disappeared.
It's like they've been building and building for a really long time.
Well you do see, I was thinking about this yesterday, I flew from Europe yesterday so of course I had like 10 hours to read, which is usually bad.
I was thinking yesterday that there are certain periods in history where people become... I was thinking about the Spanish Civil War because I was flying from Spain, but I was also thinking about the French Revolution.
I was thinking about the destruction of the temple in 70 AD in Jerusalem.
Two temples.
Yeah, two temples, but that was the last one that was destroyed by the Romans during the revolt.
And the point... there are these weird explosions of irrational Hatred, rage, violence, where no one's actually winning, like they're killing for the sake of killing.
Yes, and you see these throughout history and like, what is that?
No one's actually benefiting from this.
Killing people, making them suffer, humiliating them, torturing them, burning things down that you could steal but you burn them anyway?
You saw this in our cities a couple of years ago.
What is that?
Terror.
But it's not rational!
A terrorist like ETA, the Basque separatist group, they killed policemen so they could get a little closer to their goal, which was separating from Spain.
Makes sense.
I get it.
It makes sense.
But murdering people just to murder them, burning their stuff when you could steal it, that's, again, a spiritual phenomenon.
Well, to go on TikTok, it's like the Andy Warhol thing, 15 seconds of fame.
I'm sure he said 15 minutes, but for the 15 seconds of TikTok fame, That's what they're doing it for, a lot of them.
Yes, but they're like seized by some spirit of destructiveness.
Well, it's a demon spirit.
That's it!
Demonic, absolutely.
It's always been here.
And it emerges, and we actually, we lie to ourselves and imagine we've got our total inner control.
Everything can be explained rationally.
That's why I hate this whole, they're in it for the money.
Yeah, no, they're not.
If you think that's all it's about, you're going to miss what's actually happening.
We're going to miss what it's really about.
Well, you both got fired when you had the number one television shows.
You guys were both racking money in.
Well, I'm just bringing it up now because it's obviously not about the money.
Because if it was about the money, both of you would still have your jobs.
Well, that's a good point.
Yeah, that's what gets me.
It's they don't like what you were saying and what you were doing, and it's something that said we had to take them off.
Fuck it.
Fuck our stockholders.
We're going to do it anyway.
That's weird.
Well, I overheard in my writer's room one of the writers who was, you know, in the Democrat thing.
Well, they all were.
Yeah, which one was not?
She said, I'm just afraid this show is humanizing Trump voters.
Yeah.
Humanizing human beings!
Wouldn't want to do that!
Yeah, I mean, think about that.
People can't hear themselves.
No, they can't.
I would never even think that about Biden voters.
I think they're human beings.
Of course they are.
And I know some of them, and not a ton at this point, but I do know still some.
I have all in my family, you know.
It's like, that's why I wanted to do the show I did, to show a Hillary hater and a Trump hater in the same family.
And they still loved each other because I knew this terrible division they were pushing and then they blame Trump for it.
It's like the rape victim and they humiliate her.
That's why I said they treat Trump like a woman in the press because it's a rape victim that they They harass, set up, frame, and then refuse to let... He doesn't even get a jury in that Letitia James trial.
I know.
So that's like, it's a witch-burning.
It's not... He says witch-hunt, but it's a witch-burning.
And, you know, he's not allowed... He's under gag order to say this is bullshit, which everybody knows it is.
There's not even... You know, it's not even a law case.
It's lawfare gone mad.
Which the whole Democrat Party is just lawfare gone mad.
Lawyers that can't get a job anywhere else but for corporations.
And it gets me because there's nothing less democratic than a corporation.
Right.
For God's sake.
I have noticed that.
I would never work for one again, I'll tell you that.
No, I would never.
Ever, under any circumstance.
Do you trust anything that's being parroted out of the mouth of so-called experts on the TV?
No, when I hear trust the experts, I know they're lying.
After the last three years, I just don't trust anybody.
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So yeah, it's Dr. McCullough.
I've looked into it.
I mean, it's a legit company.
You know, don't take medical advice from us, obviously.
How many of them things do I have?
We just got three.
One for you and the two family members we care about.
I gotta get one of those for everybody for Christmas.
Yeah, that would be a great, and a satellite phone.
Christmas present.
That would.
So write me down and get me that mail.
I will.
And liberal, your liberal children.
Hell, I'll even give them one.
They would love, they love Ivermectin.
They're huge fans of Ivermectin.
Now they're huge fans after Joe Rogan came out with it.
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No, I'd rather be on the street.
I'd rather be poor.
Yeah, I've been poor.
It's not preferable, but better than working for those people.
Yeah.
It's something, isn't it?
Well, it's just, yeah.
Do you remember I sent you that video when you got fired about it was you and it was a guy with your head, but he was tap dancing and he was getting thrown out and then he starts flying?
Remember that?
Do you feel like you're flying?
Well, I was, I mean, I was.
Not surprised.
I mean, of course I was surprised.
I didn't expect to get, you know, my show canceled Monday morning, but I wasn't, if I took three steps back, I was not surprised at all.
I mean, first of all, television's like that.
People get fired.
There are all kinds of lines that no one will explain explicitly.
I'm a very literal person, so I would totally happy if, you know, if I'm not, I would always say, just write it down for me.
Oh, send me a text, I've got a bad memory.
That's what I say, too.
I can't be conservative on a conservative TV channel.
Just write that down for me, if you would, just so I can have it as a reference point.
Oh, well, you know the lines!
No, I really don't, because I'm kind of stupid, so if you could just...
Do you think that's what it was?
I don't know, I'm just speculating, but they really didn't like that at all.
The January 6th stuff, they really didn't like.
it. They were very nice to me the entire time I was there, but I could feel that they strongly
disagreed on the war in Ukraine stuff. Do you think that's what it was? I mean, I don't know.
I'm just speculating, but they really didn't like that at all. The January 6th stuff, they really
didn't like. Oh, they hate that. I think that's... We had a bunch of people quit over that. And
mostly I would say mediocre. You know, like, Chris Wallace should not be on television,
or Jonah Goldberg, or something. You know what I mean?
These are people who obviously the audience hated and shouldn't have been there in the first place, but they were so outraged because I said, You know, it seems like there are probably a lot of feds in the crowd on January 6th.
And now it turns out, of course, there were way more even than I imagined.
The whole thing was a complete setup.
The whole thing was a lie, and it was used to put people in prison for expressing their constitutionally protected rights.
One, a three-time Purple Heart winner.
Oh, I know.
They have no shame.
Oh, absolutely not.
And by the way, what does it say about them?
Like, I would never put someone in prison Even if I committed like a real crime, unless I really had to, I don't want to put people in prison.
I guess I'm the liberal.
I visited, I was in a prison last week.
They're very depressing.
I saw Julian Assange in London.
I wanted to ask you about that.
I wouldn't put people in prison except for a very good reason.
Talk about the truth being illegal.
Look at he's paid for it with dozens of people.
Well, Assange has never been accused of lying or of fraud or of making money in some criminal scheme.
Assange has been accused of telling the truth, period.
And they are torturing him to death in front of all of us.
No one's doing anything about it.
And that Mike Pompeo is a very, very sinister person.
Isn't he?
The worst.
And I always thought that, and I've told Trump that.
Never should have allowed him to run CIA or state.
But Mike Pompeo tried to have him murdered.
And that's a criminal act.
He's not even charged with a crime in the United States.
And Mike Pompeo is CIA director.
This came out.
Pompeo didn't deny it.
I never heard this.
Oh yes.
Oh absolutely.
I saw it.
Oh my god.
He tried to have Julian Assange murdered, poisoned, in the Ecuadorian embassy in London.
And that's a fact, okay?
And it's been established and Okay?
Yes.
Why is Mike Pompeo not in prison?
You're not allowed to murder people extrajudicially, especially when they haven't even been charged in the United States, which he had not been.
So Mike Pompeo runs around these stupid Republican donor events, and you're like a world expert on whatever, and he's a criminal, and he should be in jail!
Like, if Julian Assange is in jail, how about the attempted murderer, right?
What am I missing?
How about the people that Put Julian Assange in jail.
They should be in jail.
100%!
First they accuse him falsely of rape.
Rape!
So, you know, that just shuts people down.
He's a rapist.
It's like kiddie porn.
It's like, I don't even want to know more.
You're bad.
But then it turns out there was not enough evidence to charge him.
He didn't commit rape.
That was a lie.
He's never been accused of doing anything.
He's, by the way, he spent four and a half years in prison.
Good God.
the UK at Belmarsh Prison which is where all the murderers in London go.
Good God. And he's never been charged with a crime in the United Kingdom. To
this day he's not charged with a crime. He's being held at the request of the
US government and he's just sitting there and they're they're torturing him to death.
I mean, he's of course dying as you are when you've spent a total of, what, 13 years now in incarceration.
I wanted Trump to pardon him and I was really disappointed that he didn't.
I was disappointed and I think, you know, Trump, I would say one, I think, very fair criticism of Trump is he does tend to surround himself with some of the most mediocre people.
I don't think he can find better.
That may be right, but I have to say Mike Pompeo, and I saw it up close and I saw it
intimately close, is a liar and a flatterer.
Beware the flatterers.
You know, if someone comes up to you and says, I don't like you, fuck you, and here's why,
I can deal with that.
I can too.
If someone's like, you know, I really think you may be the reincarnation of the Godhead.
I think you're Buddha, actually.
That person is my enemy.
That's right.
That person is trying to subvert me, is trying to suborn me.
There's something very feline and dangerous about that, and that's who he is.
He's a liar.
And he's the reason that he, I'm not speculating, he is the reason that Trump didn't release the JFK files, which implicate the CIA in the murder of an American president.
And others.
And others.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, true.
Anyway.
Uh, yes.
But yeah, Trump, I... that's why I... well, I'll tell you that later, but... Sir, you're getting me going!
No, you're going where I want to go, and I'm already there, too.
But yeah, I wish he had done that.
I think that all of us wanted him to do that.
And I think he knows that he made a mistake, and I think one of the...
I want him to say, if I'm re-elected, I will pardon Julian Assange.
And also because one man's life is as valuable as any other man's life.
I mean, we're all created by God.
The guy put his whole life on to expose to America the war crimes we were committing.
That's completely right.
But that's not why they're holding him.
holding him because... so there was the Afghanistan and Iraq files including
that famous video of the reporters getting killed. So that was bad. It
was when he released details about the CIA, sorry, about the CIA's spying
program they had including on Americans. That's when Pompeo's like we're gonna
kill him now. Okay yeah. So the CIA doesn't have any oversight.
And also, it's also about the hacking of the DNC.
That's what I think it is.
Because he named Seth, he said someone named Seth gave him the... Yeah, so I asked him directly about that in prison.
I asked him about Seth Rich.
And he said, and I mean this too, he did not budge on, I'm not going to reveal my sources.
That's great for him.
So that means it was.
But it's pretty clear that those files were not hacked by Russia.
No.
There's no evidence they were hacked.
That was a leak.
Right.
That they were downloaded from within the building.
Right.
I think Bill Binney, I think from NSA, former NSA officer, pretty much demonstrated that.
They lied about that.
And we wound up at war with Russia as a result of that lie.
So like, that's a pivotal moment.
I completely missed it, by the way.
You know, at the time, Sean Hannity was all over it.
And I was like, I don't know what that's about.
I'm not getting involved in that conspiracy stuff or whatever.
And then a couple years later, I happened to know some of the people involved in that, personally, just because I live there.
And I knew two people involved in it, one who worked at DNC and another who worked on MPD, the Metropolitan Police Department.
And both of them were like, dude, That's, come on now.
I was like, really?
Yeah.
I thought it was obvious.
I thought it was.
So I didn't, I was so stupid, because I live there, you know?
It was like, if you're surrounded, it's like, if you've ever known someone with an alcoholic spouse, and they get divorced, and all the friends are like, you know, your wife was a really bad drunk, and he's like, I know she liked to drink, but she was an alcoholic, really?
You're way too close to it.
And I just couldn't see it, and I, Trump's arrival and the re... No, it wasn't Trump.
It was the reaction to Trump, really, from my neighbors and everyone I knew in Washington.
I was like, well, something's wrong here.
You can't even answer simple questions about why we're doing certain things, why NATO exists, or whatever.
Yeah.
That was the first tip-off.
But it took me several years to realize just how screwed up all this stuff was.
Yeah.
Because I knew everyone involved.
I mean, I... You spend a lifetime somewhere in a small town like DC, you know everybody.
And I'm like, I can't believe so-and-so was involved in something like that.
And then, A lot of that stuff is true.
I mean it, too, and I'm not speculating at all, and I'm trying to be responsible and not overstate or whatever.
I'll say it for you.
You'll say it, but I'm just telling you, I guess what I'm saying is, the more you know about it, the truer it obviously is.
Yeah, right in our face.
It's right in your face.
It's not like, you know, where the emperor goes down the street naked on the horse, and the people are like, hey, you're naked, or somebody says, some crazy old Jewish lady.
You're naked!
And they try to lock her up, but it's even worse because it's like he's not just naked and waving his penis in everyone's face in the parades, which they're doing.
He's rubbing his butt right on our nose.
That's totally true.
Because he's like, do something about it.
You don't like it?
What do you mean you don't like it?
We're getting teabagged.
There's no doubt about it.
Absolutely.
It's funny, I was in my late 40s.
Sorry, that's so vulgar.
I'm so vulgar.
I love it.
I spent my whole life hearing the baby boomers talk about the Kennedy assassination, and I'm just like, come on.
We had a Warren commission, there was this guy called Lee Harvey Oswald, a Marine, he defected to the Soviet Union.
It's obvious, like he hated Kennedy because he was a Cold Warrior.
It all made sense to me.
I was literally in my late 40s before I was like, wait a second, the lone gunman kills the lone gunman?
On TV.
On TV?
Like, wait, what are the odds of that anyway?
Two lone gunmen, really?
And anyway, so then It culminated last year when I spoke to someone at the age of 53 who had seen the classified files that were not being released, and I spoke to someone directly.
I'm not speculating.
It's someone who I know for a fact saw them and who told me directly on the phone, yes, they implicate the CIA.
Wow.
James Jesus Angleton.
I mean, CIA is a big operation.
It's not everyone in the CIA, but the operations directorate run by this guy called Angleton, very famous, guy.
Yeah, they had absolute knowledge of this and participated in it.
And I was like, my head exploded.
I was like, I cannot believe all the crazy people were right.
Well, right.
So it was so obvious to everybody else, but because I lived there, I knew, of course, I applied to the CIA in college!
You did?
Oh my god.
I know!
It's like crazy!
You would have been good.
In 1991.
I mean, they didn't let me in.
Thank heaven.
I would have been terrible at it.
But it just, it was such a far distance for me to go mentally To realize all this stuff, I just can't even tell you.
And I finally left!
I had to leave the city.
I was like, I can't live here anymore.
No, I'm scared.
Because you just have that naivete of... Completely!
...good, happy America where...
You know, we all do.
We can't be shocked enough.
Especially when you know the people.
It's like, I know these people.
I've known Mike Pompeo since he was a congressman from Kansas.
And I never, I was like, yeah, he's like your average Republican guy.
Mike Pompeo's not evil.
He's kind of like Joe Veale.
He's pretty smart, actually.
Went to West Point.
I never thought about it.
But it's like, no, this is really dark.
Nobody oversees the CIA.
Its budget is not publicly disclosed.
CIA owns companies and it kills people.
Yeah.
That's all fact.
I mean that's not, I'm not speculating at all.
And I don't mean in 1950, I'm not talking about overthrowing Mossadegh in 53.
I'm talking about 2023, 70 years later, right now.
It's more powerful than it's ever been.
Absolutely.
I mean I don't get too personal but like I know a lot of people who work CIA and I
know four different cases where I personally was involved or right next to
someone who was where CIA officers bought or sold multi-million dollar
houses including you know what I'm currently involved with and you sort of
ask like how would a CIA officer be able to afford a four million dollar house or
a ten million dollar what?
You're a federal employee, like, where's this money coming from?
I probably shouldn't even be talking about this, but it's like, it's crazy!
I never even thought about it!
No, it's like that in Hawaii.
I'm like, wow, you must have made it big, you know, because I'm nosy.
What did you do?
Oh, well, we work for, you know, we're military contractors.
Wow, you got a house 10 times bigger than mine!
Okay, and you were what?
Something like selling toothbrushes.
I don't know something.
Yes!
10% to the big guy is what it is.
It's all a scam, isn't it?
I just saw that, the other, in the little town.
Again, I don't want to get too much, but I've seen that a lot.
In fact, the house that I lived in in high school, in Georgetown, my father bought from a CIA officer in Georgetown, and my father paid him in cash, in actual bills, $100,000 in bills, And this guy didn't live there, he lived in Ireland, but he'd been a CIA operations officer for his whole life.
You know, Second World War, OSS, CIA, my whole neighborhood was full of people like this.
And he owned this 3047 1⁄2 N Street, Northwest, D.C.
That's where I lived.
And that was bought from Mr. Taddy, who was a CIA officer.
And it's like, how did... I said to my dad, like, you paid him in bills?
Yeah, I went to the bank.
I got bills.
How did the guy... He goes, I don't know.
It was some house the CIA owned, but he wound up with it.
It's like, is that how the federal government works?
I work for a company.
They had lots of assets.
I didn't wind up owning those assets.
Like, what?
Who's doing the accounting here?
Like, what is this?
You know what?
It's such a scam.
What the fuck?
Here's the scam of it.
That's why they get the left and the right going on it, because they socialize the risk and then privatize the profits.
It's the greatest friggin scam you could come up with.
It's a Stalin-Hitler pact, more of that shit.
It is, and Washington DC is the beneficiary.
Nothing is made in Washington, there's no innovation, there's no manufacturing, there's no banking even.
Really, there's no finance sector.
There's really nothing.
There's no arts.
There's no television other than like cable news.
Just schlock.
The only business in Washington is government.
Okay, that makes sense.
It's the capital city.
But it's also the richest city in the United States.
And the counties around it are the richest counties.
Like eight out of ten, I think.
Collar DC?
Ring DC?
It's all for them, like Trump said.
That's corruption!
If that was taking place in Africa, you'd be like, well, that's corrupt!
Yeah.
It's like the cartel.
Well, remember when Trump won because he said, we will be replacing this government that serves only to enrich itself, has nothing to do with you?
Everyone loved that, because it's true.
They don't even see the homeless people on the street, and they're still fighting over who's gonna go.
They don't even close the border in this country, but they're closing it in Ukraine.
They step over the bodies of fentanyl addicts on their way into their mansions.
There's no bodies now, they cleaned it up for Xi.
I don't think there's anything that's offended me more.
It's disgusting.
What you're saying is you could have solved this problem for the people who live there.
Well, I want to know where he put them.
I want to know where he put those homeless people.
He might have sent them up to Aunt Nancy's Vineyard.
Maybe they're up there.
Totally possible, or else there's going to be, like, it's possible that The price of kidneys is going to go way down.
See, that's what I think.
Damn it, that's what I thought!
The market for kidneys has flooded!
We've got a lot of kidneys all of a sudden!
You know what I say?
You know, I'm horrible.
No, I'm way darker.
This is the right podcast.
Because I said, well, you know what they're doing is they're grinding that up with the Planned Parenthood fetus meat and selling it to Bill Gates for his new meat.
I swear they are!
That may be right.
They're going to be selling at McDonald's the new Fetus Burgers.
I've got bad eating habits, but I'm not eating there.
I'm telling you, it's going to be Fetus Burgers wall to wall.
That's what it is.
Mixed in with bugs.
Crickets.
Cricket powder for the WF.
As long as they don't put it in Fig Newtons, I'll be safe.
I love Fig Newtons.
I do too.
We were going to talk about smoking.
I want to go on there.
How much do you love smoking?
More than anything.
But you don't now.
When's the last time you smoked?
I smoked a cigarette this summer because a guy I know owns a cigarette company called Hestia.
Very stylish little cigarettes.
And so he came, whatever, he sent me a couple cases of cigarettes and I put them in our studio because I think people should be allowed to smoke if they want.
You can always smoke indoors at my house.
Buck, what did you think of Kim Kardashian being named Man of the Year?
Who's Buck?
Oh, Buck.
Buck is my other son, my youngest child.
Kim Kardashian was not Man of the Year.
Yes, she was.
Shaylin?
No, Kim.
Save this for the Twitter show.
She was named Man of the Year.
That's true.
What year?
This year on GQ.
Holy smoke.
Nothing gets by this kid.
Okay, but I was thinking I should do, if she's man of the year, then I could sell this product which is called manscaping.
Right, I know this product.
Because I could talk about, I could be man of the year like him.
And talk about shaving my balls and stuff.
Yeah, or your face.
I know you shave your face a lot.
Oh my God, I got the smoothest shave off my last couple days, but it wasn't this.
No, I was going to say, I haven't used this.
Let's use this on my face.
Maybe I should.
That's for your balls.
That's for your afterball shave, but I'm saying you could try this on your face for real.
They sent you the product to test, so you can shave your face.
I'll try it.
I'll use it.
Do you want to shave your beard right now?
What you're promoting is this Performance Package 5.0 that's in the case.
That has the LaMore 5.0, which is the razor.
Yeah.
That's the one bucks holding, so show that to the camera.
So with this kit, this is a Christmas gift for the man in your life or yourself if you're a lady with balls.
So that's the Lawn Mower 5.0.
Yeah, I'm saying try it on your beard right now.
No, because I already shaved.
I have to wait till tomorrow.
The Weed Whacker 2.0, in your other hand, is the nose and hair trimmer.
This is?
Yeah, and then it comes with two liquid formations that you're showing, Buck.
Those are for helping aftershave with your balls or your face.
It also comes with... Oh, the nose hair and ear hair is a Women are not... Late date finish.
It also comes with... But women think you're not well-groomed with nose and ear hair.
Yeah, I always do my nose and ear.
That's more important than your balls, to be honest.
Some girls like hairy balls.
For the first date.
Yeah, there are girls that like hairy balls.
There's no girls that likes hairy ears and nose.
That's correct.
So that's the important thing.
It also comes with that toiletry bag that you put over there, if you can grab it.
Oh, yeah.
It comes with moisture wicking boxers.
Unfortunately, I tried those out, so I didn't want you to have to try those out because I'm wearing them right now.
Here's two adjustments for the deer.
Yeah, and they protect your skin.
So you can put these right on your balls or your face, but it will not cut you.
That's the most important thing about this product.
Oh, yeah, you don't want to cut your balls.
You don't want a product where you cut your balls by using it.
I think that's not a plus in a product.
No.
Do you?
Hell no.
I think it worked.
It works, Ma.
Yeah, it's really good.
You keep that.
Yeah, I don't really want to use it.
Yeah, never mind.
That's all yours.
So anyway, Ma, please read this and then we can get back to Tucker.
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Yeah, that Manscaped Performance Pack.
So you could buy this for a buck or anyone in your family or if you're a man watching.
It's a good gift to give your adult sons because, you know, it's a good message to tell your sons that they have to have nice hygienic care about their, you know, presentation.
They're always talking about women have to get waxed, blah, blah, blah.
Well, you could shave your balls back a bit.
Anyway, let's get back to Tucker.
So, I smoked one.
I tried to smoke it, and I quit when I was 45.
I'm now 54, so nine years ago, and I didn't like it.
Really?
That's cool.
It was sad, and I was like, oh, I'll probably get hooked again, but you can't smoke anywhere, so I figured I'm not gonna get it.
No, I was sitting alone in my barn, and I was like, I'm gonna fire one of these puppies up, and I smoked cigars, and I You know, I chew tobacco, actually, secretly.
Zin.
Quite a bit.
You love this.
And then I use Zin.
I dip Copenhagen my whole, you know, since 1983, 40 years.
I've really enjoyed it.
There's nothing like it.
I lost the taste.
It was like sucking it in.
I didn't like it.
Well, they're different now.
It's just like McDonald's isn't as good.
You can't just do it once, honey.
You gotta keep trying it over.
No, I know.
I know.
I should have.
You guys can go smoke now.
The best cigarette I ever had, I smoked Camel Regulars a little once my whole life.
And then I switched at the end, at the very end, the last year I smoked American Spirit Blues.
That's what everyone smokes now.
Man, I take the filter off those things.
I don't like filters.
I never liked them.
And I take the filter off that thing, and it was the strongest cigarette I've ever smoked in my life.
Ever.
Stronger than a Camel, Lucky Strike, Pall Mall, anything.
Chesterfield.
I mean, like, stronger than any of the French cigarettes.
Well, that's a strong cigarette.
Yes, it is.
That does, you know, you read about when there's a spate of ODs, you know, in a big city, there's always some batch of heroin or fentanyl comes in that's like especially pure, and all the junkies line up for it, and they'll hear that someone died of it, and they'll all go buy it.
No, that's the marketing.
It's the marketing, exactly.
And that's what American Spirit Blue with no filter felt like.
I wanted to ask you about the Spain trip.
I know we're running... No, I gotta do my cigarette story first.
My first cigarette, I gotta tell you, I tell you about my dad.
Kind of loony.
Yeah.
Was he a smoker?
Oh, hell yeah!
Old gold!
Five packs a day.
Filter tipped or not?
No.
No filter.
Yeah.
One like this.
All day.
So, he thought it was real funny.
I was three.
He got, he taught me to smoke when I was three years old.
Oh, that's so great.
Teach your children, I always say.
And I did it and he'd have his friends and he'd go, come here Rosie.
And so I'd do it.
They'd all laugh, you know.
I knew how to do it real young.
It's such an expression of... I don't know.
Don't even get me going.
But I think... I mean, obviously smoking long-term is bad for you physically, of course.
It's not bad for you spiritually.
It's so good.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer in his Letters and Papers from Prison, which I totally recommend.
He's in Flossenburg prison in Germany.
He's been implicated in the Hitler assassination plot, and he's gonna be hanged, which he was, right?
And at the end of the war, 1945.
But he has this collection of letters to his sister.
He was unmarried.
And in it, he keeps, you know, he's talking about God and God is sustaining him, and he thinks he did the right thing, even though he'll be killed.
But every letter's like, please send more tobacco.
Almost out of cigarettes.
C.S.
Lewis, same thing.
I mean, there's no... Smoking is bad for you, but it is not a sin against your spirit at all.
At all.
And I do think that having done drugs, I'll admit it, a lot of drug use is.
It changes who you are, actually.
Right.
And it makes it harder to have meaningful relations with other people.
So the fact that we hate cigarettes but encourage everyone to smoke weed that's like 40% THC is completely changing your brain.
Or prescription drugs.
Or SSRIs or whatever.
Well, that's how I was going to ask you because you said your writing process and I'm like, dude, how can you write if you're not smoking?
Well, it was good.
Because that's why I started again.
It was difficult.
But the Zen I have to say, which is just concentrated nicotine really helped, but you know, I missed it and uh... Did it affect your writing?
I'll tell you what, I don't take anything else.
I mean, I don't even take Advil.
Did it affect your writing that you couldn't smoke?
Well, if I'm being totally honest, I've only gone off nicotine once in my life since I was a child.
I started when I was 13 and I'm, you know, so I've smoked or used nicotine for 41 years and I've only gone off for one... How long was it, Emily?
Three or four months?
Yeah, but I mean... Emily's worked for me a long time, I just went like that.
No.
Yeah, I gained like roughly about 40 pounds and became crazy and started... I think, I'd like to think, I get along with everyone I work with and I never have... Have you ever heard me yell at anyone?
No.
No.
I'm not a yeller at all.
And I went so crazy on someone from the HR department when I went off.
I went so crazy on this person.
I was like the head of HR.
In the city that I probably shouldn't talk about this, but because I was off nicotine and she looked afraid and I could feel myself, I was like, I lost control.
Fuck out of my office right now.
And then I filed an HR complaint against the head of HR.
And I called my producer and I'm like, I want to file an HR complaint.
Will you file it?
And he's like, whoa, whoa.
So yeah, it made me, I think if you use anything long enough, I'm not bragging about this at all, by the way, I'm saying this with some contrition and I would like to apologize to her for being that crazy.
But yeah, I mean, some people I guess are meant to live without it, but... Not you.
Probably not.
But what about when you're writing?
Are you on the computer or do you longhand it?
No, I have dyslexia and I'm left-handed, right-handed, dominant.
I mean, I can barely write at all.
I even write on my phone.
I've written a lot of scripts on my phone.
So what are you doing when you can't go like this?
Totally.
I'd always write with one in my mouth.
I have a silver cup in the church I grew up in.
When you get baptized, they give you a silver cup.
I don't know if they still do this, but it's next to my bed now to hold my reading glasses.
But for 25 years, it sat on my writing desk, and I would take a pack of camels, and it fit 20 cigarettes.
And I'd take the pack of camels and dump it in the silver cup right in front of me.
It has my name on it, you know.
Tucker Carlson, 1969, you know, Episcopal Church or whatever.
And I would sit in there, they don't have filters on it, so you can, either way you do it, you can pull them out or flip them over, doesn't matter.
I keep them right there and I burn through multiple packs.
It's like industrial smoking!
But now you can write without that, huh?
Yeah, it's been, you know, it's been nine years and, um, and also the beauty of working in TV, I don't have this anymore, but we worked live, obviously.
I had a deadline for my script.
I filed at 7.45 for an 8 p.m.
show.
I had to have a dead period.
I mean, the show was going to go on no matter what.
Yeah.
So that was such a wonderful motivator, the fear of that.
And that is the only thing I miss from working in live TV, which I don't miss at all, because it wrecks your life.
It makes you crazy.
But making the deadline.
I love the deadline.
I love because I'm so lazy.
You know what I mean?
And entitled and like, I don't know, I'm gonna go fishing or play with my dogs or whatever.
Chase my wife around.
TV show like you have no choice but to be serious and I do miss that.
So smoking or not, you still have to write the script.
Period.
Well how is it affecting you now though when you don't have like the Gestapo waiting for you?
Well I kind of like it. I mean I'm obviously older.
I mean I'm kind of marching toward death here and I like being free.
I took seven foreign trips out of the country.
Wow, that's cool.
Yeah, it was neat.
You never did that before, right?
No, you couldn't.
I went, you know, whatever, go to Europe for a week in the summer with my kids or something, but no.
And we'd take one foreign trip or two a year at Fox, but I really want to know what's going on in the rest of the world.
I think it's so interesting.
And so.
You just flew to Spain.
Yeah, last night.
And demonstrated against a communist.
I didn't mean to.
I went to go watch actually.
Um, but yeah, I got, it was great.
But anyway, it was so liberating and great just to be able to see what's going on.
I went to the Middle East.
I went to South America.
I went all over Europe, East and West.
And I just, I'd learned so much.
And if you live here.
In the United States, we're cut off from everybody by oceans, and you have no freaking idea what's happening in the rest of the world.
Well, we don't care, either.
We don't care.
Thank you.
That's exactly right.
They don't care.
It's true.
I don't really care.
Well, because we're so bombarded by useless information 24-7.
Yes, and lies and distractions.
Yeah, and lies.
Bullshit.
We don't have any space.
Our memory is full.
We don't have any space to contain facts or actual things going on in the world.
And the arrogance of being American.
You think you're the only thing that matters.
That's how I always feel.
And the rest of the world feels really differently.
I do feel that way.
I actually feel that way.
The problem is that things change, but in your memory they don't.
It's almost like you run into someone you knew when you were a kid or whatever, and they're fat and bald, and you're like, wow, you're not 14 anymore.
This just happened to me in an airport.
And what happened?
Well, time moved on, but you weren't paying attention.
And the world is the same way.
When I was a kid, we traveled a lot as a family, and you'd be... I remember getting pulled over drunk driving in Latin America in the 80s when I was a freshman in college, and I was just hammered.
It was a rainstorm.
I pulled over, the military police, I'll never forget, in this country, and I was like, I'm an American!
Like, they can't do anything to me.
Like, the arrogance of being an American then.
So I've got a blue passport.
I'm sorry, you may not know this, but... Now I'd be like, fuck you, you're going to jail!
Ability to awe the rest of the world has just evaporated.
Yeah, that's gone.
It's actually the opposite.
It's gone.
That's all gone.
It's the opposite, yeah.
You don't want to say you're American.
It's sad.
It bums me out.
And you don't get a sense of that living here at all.
In Spain, I mean, I just want to tie this together.
It seems like something's happening there that's happening here that's probably a little bit more advanced.
So we're talking about this evil infiltration?
Is it a populist uprising?
It's the same thing, right?
Is that it?
And it's global.
It's absolutely global.
And in fact, I did an interview the other night with Santiago, the main opposition leader in Spain, runs the Vox Party, and Abascal was his last name.
And I was just giving the overview of what's going on.
Spanish policy is very complicated.
I've read a couple books on the Spanish Civil War.
I still don't fully understand it.
Very complicated politics.
Great country, but complicated.
Everything's an acronym.
Everyone's mad at each other for reasons you can't understand.
But basically, at the end of dinner, I was like, that sounds like exactly the country that I live in.
A small group of people.
Our internationalists, they run everything, they have all the power, they're backed by, you know, immigrants who know nothing about Spain who are voting, public employee unions, which are massive, and all the non-profit sector, and journalists, that's it.
And then ordinary, just normal people are completely screwed, their quality of life is in rapid decline, they can't afford anything, and they're mad, and every time they complain about anything, someone screams, you're a racist, shut up!
Same thing.
And I'm like, wow, that sounds like where I live.
Yeah.
Except in Spain, Spain is always the leading edge of this stuff.
It was in 1936 during the Spanish Civil War.
It was obviously a preview of what happened to the rest of the world a few years later.
They have criminalized everything.
So it is a crime in Spain.
It is a crime in Spain to have the wrong opinions about the Spanish Civil War.
Wow.
Oh my God.
And you're like, well, how can that even be?
Well, they don't have a First Amendment and they don't have a tradition of freedom of speech.
And so it just is.
You can't get up and say, I think Franco did something important for the middle class.
You go to jail for that.
Wow.
Oh my god.
I know!
And by the way, I should say... Hillary's sending that kid to jail for a meme!
Exactly!
Yeah.
But what's crazy is this is not Africa, okay?
Spain is a extremely civilized country.
Way more civilized than ours in a lot of ways.
Yeah.
With a thousand years of culture.
And their art and buildings.
And wonderful people.
The most polite people in Europe.
And just everything about it is great.
It's not primitive at all.
It's the opposite of primitive.
It's also very clean and pretty and People are handsome.
Everything about it is great.
But their political system is medieval.
It's primitive.
It's totalitarian in a way that you wouldn't think could exist in a place like that.
It did not give me hope at all.
At all.
Well, how are you feeling for our country?
Not good.
Me either.
But I do think that the first step in understanding and combating what's happening now is seeing that it's not a political battle at all.
It's not Republicans and Democrats.
I've got nothing in common with most Republicans in the Congress.
Me either.
They don't share my views or values.
They don't care about my family.
They hate me.
So they don't represent me at all.
I would vote for them, because what else am I going to do?
But it's not about right, left.
It's not about Republican, Democrat.
I mean, some arguments are, of course.
Right.
But the big ones are not.
No.
It's light versus darkness.
Yeah.
And I'm not always positive that I'm on the right side.
I don't want to be... I don't want to imagine that I'm always right, because I'm not.
That's for sure.
But I want to be on the right side.
Right.
And I want to see it in the correct terms.
And I don't think it hurts to say a prayer once in a while.
So you question it, right?
I question myself a lot.
No, but I mean you question the information.
That's how you know you're not under mind control, is that you don't go back to the same sources for your information.
I don't want those sources in my head.
You've got to read a wide variety of sources, I think.
Yes, and knowing... one thing that I do know is that truth inflames them more than anything.
That is a fact.
So, it's a pretty simple way to figure out what's true.
You just watch.
It's almost like, you know, I like to fly fish.
In saltwater fly fishing, you look for the birds.
Where's, you know, where are the big fish gonna be?
They're gonna be around the bait.
The bait and the little minnows swimming around.
Where are the minnows?
Well, there are birds circling them.
So, you look up in the sky and there are a bunch of birds diving into the ocean.
You're gonna have fish there, okay?
That's how fishermen know where the fish are.
I want to know what's true, I look at who's being attacked.
Oh, that's a good one.
And what are they saying that has gotten them in trouble?
And whatever they're saying doesn't prove it's true, but it suggests it's true, or it's truth-adjacent.
They're getting warmer.
So it's like where there's smoke there's fire. 100%.
So they really don't, they didn't want us talking about anything to do with vaccines.
No, they didn't!
And now, then they kind of relaxed that.
I got, on YouTube we're allowed to say it now, and we're just not allowed to say anything about vaccine injuries.
You're not allowed to say that.
Well, I had a child, yeah, yes.
I happen to know for a fact those are real because it happened in my family.
It happened in my family too.
Yeah, this was a flu vaccine, you know, 15 years ago, and I didn't know... I can't overstate how conventional and trusting I am.
I'm the opposite of a radical.
Like, whatever it is they tell me, I kind of believe it.
Like, why wouldn't I?
Because I try not to lie too much in my personal life, so I believe other people.
It took... I was shocked.
Yeah.
When I detected deception around vaccines.
I never thought they would lie.
It's science.
You can't lie about it.
Oh yeah, you can.
Well, that's for sure.
But it took me months to... We were covering this every single night, and I was like, this can't really be happening.
They're pushing this on people when they know that it hurts them, And they don't actually know the long-term effects of it.
They factor in how much it's going to cost them for when the families of the dead sue them.
Okay, that'll be two percent, blah, blah, blah.
Well, they're not allowed to sue with vaccines.
Well, they didn't.
I heard that they removed that.
They removed that, whatever it is that protects them.
Where are the trial lawyers on that?
I mean, the trial lawyers used to run D.C.
Like, you'd sue for everything.
That's what I wonder.
I couldn't find one lawyer in all of California to go against Disney.
What is that?
Everybody I called said, I'm sorry, we do work for Disney, so we can't... We can't even have interesting playground equipment anymore because of the lawyers suing over playground injuries.
Yeah.
But you can't find lawyers to, like, push back against the VAX mandates?
Like, what is that?
Or Disney.
Or Disney.
In Hollywood.
You'd think some son of a bitch that just got out of law school would be hungry.
It's like a cut-and-dried case.
Would you say Disney's a force for good or no?
Um, no.
I say, you know, there are some things about it that are so cute.
Like, I love the movie Moana.
And I just love that movie.
And, um, because it's about a girl and her grandmother.
And, you know, so of course, I love my grandmother, you know.
And she's like, I am Moana!
And she's like, I don't know how far I'll go, but here she is, the chiefess.
She's the chiefess when she's only eight and she has to save her people by learning how to navigate the ship alone.
And I was like, yes, that was me!
I am Moana!
You know, so I love it.
When did you realize you were Moana?
When I saw it with my granddaughter and we were sitting there and I was just, when the grandma comes back and she's this dolphin that leads her granddaughter to save the people, I just could not take it.
And I told all my friends who are survivors of abuse and stuff, I go, I got something for your ass.
Sit down here, we're watching Moana.
And they all, we were reduced to tears, so I can't all the way hate Dizzy because of Mulan.
Yeah, that's fair.
You separate the art from the artist.
And I just love it, and so did all my friends, and my friend Kathy came to see me.
Wearing the Moana necklace.
And we are all Moana because we see that line where the sea meets the sky.
I don't know how far I'll go, but it calls me!
I must go!
I am Moana!
It's like everything I've always felt my whole life.
And I'm going to go to the edge and find out for myself.
And I did!
So I am Moana.
When did this come out?
Well, Maisie was 18 months old, so she's 8 now.
Yeah.
That was 7, 6 years ago.
7, 8 years ago.
But they have great movies.
You've got to watch Moana.
Yeah, it's one of the big cultural events, one of the many I miss completely.
I never heard of it.
You've got to watch it.
I've literally never heard of Moana.
If you loved your grandmother, you will weep, I'll tell you.
I didn't.
Oh, fuck it then.
She could never get my name right.
She never?
No, she always called me my brother's name.
She always called me Buckley.
That's what she does.
I do that.
She'd have a cigarette burning.
Oh, Buckley.
I'm gonna pat my head.
Get me a drink.
Okay.
Sounds just like me.
My grandson was eight years old and he goes, Granny, I want to do my impression of you.
They're all funny.
I go, what?
He goes like this, glug glug glug glug.
But I want to ask him before... I don't know how long we have.
We have a few minutes.
I have to hit the hour mark.
So we've got about seven, eight minutes.
We have to ask him about Kaczynski.
Yeah.
That's what we really want to talk about.
If you want.
I don't want to get you in trouble.
Oh, Uncle Ted?
Oh, we love him.
You and I were talking about it.
His writing is genius.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't want... So let me just say, I'm really trying to be a responsible citizen.
You can edit anything out, Tucker.
We kind of get crazy.
No, no, no.
I just want to say, I think it's very bad.
To send mail bombs to people.
Of course.
Absolutely unacceptable.
And David Glernter, who is one of the people I respect in this world, who's a computer science professor at Yale, was gravely injured by Ted Kaczynski with a mail bomb.
So I'm totally opposed to that.
But also, I'm opposed to the personal behavior of many artists and intellectuals.
I can't think of a single.
I love Tolstoy.
I'm glad my daughter didn't marry Tolstoy.
You know what I mean?
So I'm capable of separating the two.
His, The Industrial Society and Its Consequences, and then the second book, his name escapes me, but I've read them both, that he wrote in prison.
Some of the most interesting things I've ever read in my life.
Yeah, me too.
Ever!
And the irony is, I think he committed all those crimes of killed people in order to get publicity for this manifesto, this book.
And it had the opposite effect, which people, you know, which is that people ignore it because it's the rantings of a crazy man.
Well, read the book!
And basically the thesis is, I mean, he was no liberal either.
I didn't realize that.
No, he was not at all.
No, and he's a genius.
You know, he's like one of the youngest math professors in Berkeley history and etc.
But basically it's that there's a massive cost to technology.
I mean, if I sum it in one phrase, there's a massive cost to technology that we don't perceive And it's entirely possible, in fact likely, in fact certain, that technology will progress to a place where we can't control it, and that it will instead control us.
And clearly we're there.
And it's dehumanizing, and it extracts a massive toll from the physical landscape, the environment, which I care very strongly about.
Not global warming bullshit, but like the actual environment.
The actual planet.
Yeah, because I love it.
I'm a sportsman, I'm an outdoorsman, so it's meaningful to me, very meaningful.
So anyway, I think that his two books are among the most interesting I've ever read, and I've given them to people and everyone acts like I'm crazy or want to live in a cabin in Montana, which of course I do, but I don't think that makes you crazy, actually.
I think what's crazy is that working at Citibank, Yeah.
You know what I mean?
And like driving in from some depressing suburb in New Jersey for an hour and a half in traffic to work a soulless job that has no inherent meaning whatsoever that's probably actually net-net bad for the world to be mistreated by some disgusting series of supervisors in the HR department and then to schlep home to a wife who hates you because you've been emasculated.
Like that's the experience of millions of people.
Yeah.
Is that crazier than living in a cabin alone in Montana and growing your own food?
It's way crazier.
I did live in a cabin in the mountains of Colorado.
Yeah, for a number of years.
We'd be snowed in, ten feet of snow on our log cabin, and have to break it down with our arms.
Did you have electricity?
Yeah, we did have a single light bulb and two plugs.
Could you heat it?
I assume you used wood stoves.
Uh, I don't remember if we heated it.
I think we had a thermostat in there too.
Yeah.
Didn't you live in a cave?
I did live in a cave.
You lived in a cave?
I lived in a cave because I became very ill and, you know, one of those homeless type things.
So I went and slept in a cave above my job.
Listen to this, I know you won't give a shit, but Biden's new budget proposes 4.7 trillion dollars That's T trillion.
trillion. 4.7 trillion dollars in new taxes.
Trillion.
What is that?
Like that's a billion billion or three times a billion billion?
It's a thousand billion.
Good Lord!
Yeah, it's... In taxes?
That's just the money.
Who the hell do we owe it to is what I want to know.
I'll tell you what.
Mostly ourselves.
Huh?
Mostly ourselves.
I don't know.
I don't know.
No one knows.
No one knows what the... I know because I've done the biblical numbers for it and everyone will say I'm crazy, but I am not crazy.
We owe that debt to Jeffrey Epstein!
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Yeah.
If you want your job and you've got to take five or six of these shots after you do that.
Shots is in the vaccine or shots is in pictures of having sex with children?
Both.
For blackmail.
OK.
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I don't tell people to buy gold and silver because like, oh, you're going to make billions of dollars.
It's not that.
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This is what God has asked us to do.
That's why we were chosen.
But really, it's about protecting what you have.
Yeah, I lived in a cave there.
What was that like?
You know, I had a sleeping bag and it was hidden.
Did you run into any bears?
No bears.
There was mountain lions though.
But I just, you know... See, that sounds a lot better to me than waking up in the Phoenix Marriott, you know, on the road as a McKinsey consultant.
I was a hippie then.
Yeah, so that doesn't sound so bad to me.
I was a hippie.
I walked barefoot down the mountain to work, to wash dishes for 10 hours a day for $50 a week, six days a week.
That's how it was.
So I used to make fun of that, but I think it sounds idyllic now.
You know, I could do it again.
I thought you were going to smoke.
I could do it again.
I could be without nothing and still be very happy.
I like it in Hawaii.
I live in a real simple life in Hawaii.
And I love having my toes in the dirt and growing stuff and just having quiet times to write.
I love to write.
I write like a maniac.
You need quiet to do it.
Yeah.
None of it makes any sense.
It's like halfway this and then I just put it in a plastic bag and save it.
I never edit.
You write in longhand?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
That's why I thought maybe you did too.
No, I can't.
In fact, I could never.
I didn't do well in school at all.
And it was only when I didn't have a computer until I had a word processor in part of college, but that really liberated me.
I never seen, you know, we just wrote everything by hand.
I just want to tell you how excited I am to have had you on my show and to be able to speak with you.
Oh, I've loved it.
I wanted to tell you, when you used to wear the bow tie, I used to be so mad at you all the time, but I used to always watch you.
You were not alone.
And I used to go...
Who is that kid?
I go like, I am, you know, I would like imagine myself in a room going... If only I'd known that I was giving my stupid opinions that somewhere in LA Roseanne Barr was yelling at the TV, I would have been really flattered.
No, but I was like really focused on it because I was like...
I loved how you did it, and I mostly liked what you said, but, you know, I was really turned on when I disagreed, because it fired me up, and I'd write like a bitch.
So they shouldn't put—I was in my 20s—they shouldn't put kids in their 20s on TV.
Like, on what grounds are you on TV?
I always wondered that, even of myself.
I haven't done anything.
Like, why am I commenting on world events?
Like, I don't know shit.
Because that was the diamond in the rough that became you and that we're all so proud of.
Well, I certainly learned a lot.
I'll tell you that!
And you came to the light.
And, you know, I'm so proud of you and your big, big voice that amplified a million times after you got out of, you know, the slaps they stuck you in.
And we just love you so much.
And thank you, thank you for having me.
I love this, the whole podcast, one last thing, the podcast genre, it's like, that actually is, if I had known what it was like when I spent, you know, 27 years in cable TV, I would have quit a lot earlier, maybe even before I was fired.
Because people actually listen to podcasts, and it is a kind of ongoing education.
That's my sense of it.
Yeah.
People want to know what's going on.
They don't trust.
Obviously, no one's going to read the New York Times.
It's pure garbage.
Washington Post, even worse.
Where do you get your news?
And people get it.
They think things through with podcasts.
And I didn't know that until I started doing them.
I'm like you.
I never listened to them.
I mean, we were just talking about it when we started.
It's like, why would I sit for an hour and a half and listen to someone fucking blabber?
Oh, people do.
No, people do.
Because they talk like you do in a language you can understand, and they're drawn to the opposite of bullshit.
They want to hear something with integrity and honesty.
Yes.
And truth.
Well, that's how you build your podcast.
That's what's so cool about it.
I would have quit a fucking hundred years ago.
I would have known too, Tucker.
Well, that's the blessing of getting fired.
You don't have to quit.
They do it for you.
Yeah, so we're both lucky.
Onward may it go.
Amen.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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