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	Hey everyone, Jake Pentland here.
	You may know me as Roseanne Bar-Sun and the occasional person on this podcast outside of the guest that talks.
	I wouldn't say co-host.
	I don't think I have that important of a role, but I'm definitely all over the place on this podcast.
	You know, also producing and editing and blah, blah, blah.
	So first things first, I wanted to say thank you all for supporting us and listening to us.
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	Like, oh god, here's another celebrity doing something we simply don't give a shit about.
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	Anyway, now on to the episode.
	I just want to be very clear that this episode we filmed with Scott Adams is one of my favorites, but it was filmed before the Maui fires.
	The reason I'm telling you that is because there is a portion of this episode where my mother and him are discussing slow-moving disasters.
	They make mention of being stuck in traffic and not being able to get out and, you know, if this was recorded after the Maui fires that would have been very insensitive to talk about it that way.
	So I just want to be clear.
	This was supposed to be last week's episode.
	We preempted it with Anomaly to discuss the Maui fires because that was obviously a very important story and one that was personally important to us as well.
	My mother is a citizen of Hawaii.
	So I just want to be clear, when you're hearing them talk about being stuck in traffic and disasters, that it was in no way about the Maui fires.
	And lastly, and most importantly, I want to say that this episode, because Scott was not in person, was filmed via Zoom.
	And unfortunately, I don't know the state of the audio until the end of the episode when it uploads.
	We don't have great internet here where we live.
	And unfortunately, my mother's audio, specifically in the first few minutes, is popping and probably very irritating to listen to.
	More irritating than her natural voice.
	I just want to say stick with it.
	It's a great episode.
	Her audio does get better.
	And like I said, there's not anything I can do about it.
	But don't turn it off.
	If it annoys you, just stick it out.
	The conversation is brilliant.
	Scott Adams has a Malcolm Gladwell-esque approach to things.
	I find this episode Even though it's subdued and intellectual, it's one of my favorite we've recorded.
	You know, we like to give you something different every week.
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	Where we will be joined by Jack Posobiec.
	The following week will be JP Sears.
	So we've got some good episodes coming to you.
	So anyway, thanks again for the support.
	Okay.
	Hi everybody.
	Welcome to the Roseanne Barr podcast.
	So I'm very excited to have a, as a guest today, uh, the author of Dilbert and a new book too, that he'll hold up and we'll talk about Scott Adams.
	Hi, Scott.
	Hi, thanks for having me.
	I love that the title of your book is Reframe Your Brain, right?
	Reframe Your Brain.
	Yeah, it should be out just about the time people see this.
	I'm just going through the final edits and it'll be ready to go.
	You know, I'm all about programming your brain.
	I'm all about that.
	And specifically, since we have this in common as we're both Labeled racist by the United States racist media.
	I love seeing you on Cuomo and I mostly enjoyed so much Cuomo lecturing you on responsibility for what you say.
	I loved it.
	You know, he was really nice to me.
	I thought he did a solid job of journalism.
	I did too.
	I think you and I have one thing in common, which is interesting in our, in our two controversies, which I don't think that anybody actually believed them.
	As in, I don't think anybody actually think you're a racist.
	I don't think anybody actually thinks I am.
	I haven't met anybody.
	I mean, in person, not a single person.
	Believes anything like that, but the average viewer of the news doesn't understand that public figures are generally used as sort of a conduit for other people's opinions.
	So if they can find any way to define you as the hub of the place they can load their opinion on and put it through you, it's really just a vehicle for other people to express their opinions.
	So what you actually said or what you actually meant and what I actually said and what I actually meant never really came up.
	It was like that wasn't an important part of the process.
	Remove context!
	Yeah, I mean that's sort of the way.
	Now the thing that the average viewer of news doesn't realize, and you of course would know it better than anybody, the news about public figures is almost never real.
	Almost never.
	Probably nine out of ten times they're leaving out the important part of the story.
	You know, they might get a fact right, like if somebody died.
	Usually right.
	But if somebody said something or was alleged to say something, in my experience, those are almost never true.
	I'm really puzzled about whether things have gotten worse or we got smarter about how bad they were.
	There's definitely more canceling going on, that's for sure.
	I think both.
	We got smarter, so they got more pervasive in their mind control over the airwaves.
	Yeah, at this point, the ability to hide a major story is the scariest part of the media situation.
	It's not what they say that's not true, that's bad enough, but they can make a major story just disappear.
	Well, I know you're concerned about the indictment of Trump, and I like that you said, don't say weaponization of the Department of Justice, say destruction.
	Yeah, you know, I don't think people fully realize that everything about America that works is based on the foundation of the justice system and the fact that ours is better than most.
	You know, the reason you've come to America, among other reasons, is that the justice system, you know, gives you a chance of, you know, not being jailed for the wrong reasons and running your company and not running into too much trouble with other criminals.
	But if we lose that, That's somewhat irreparable.
	I mean, everything else would collapse.
	And I think we're taking some pretty big shots at it with, you know, what's going on lately with Trump specifically.
	I mean, to me, I don't know anybody who's following the story who thinks that's legitimate.
	I know a lot of people who are not aware that, for example, questioning the electors has been a historical thing.
	It's happened.
	People don't seem to understand that Republicans don't hold insurrections without weapons.
	Somehow we were sold the idea that Republicans would launch a coup.
	And they wouldn't bring weapons, and that the way they would conquer the United States is by sauntering around the Capitol for a few hours until the government surrendered?
	I don't know, were they waiting for the surrender?
	And it's so horrifying to think that it was that easy to overthrow the government of the United States.
	With all those police and everything around letting them do it, knowing that they were there to overthrow the government, how easy was that?
	You know, you think the nuclear triad would have been more important, but no.
	People with bison hats and...
	and whatnot. So today I heard from Dershowitz. He said that the Jack Smith indictment included
	language from Trump's speech and they did not include in the indictment where he said
	the peaceful and patriotic part. The most important part of it.
	They purposely left that out. What so disturbed me about...
	I wanted Scott to talk more because I watched that video, Scott, your podcast about this,
	about how Jack Smith is basically committing the crime that is accusing Trump of.
	I wanted you to explain that a little bit more.
	It's brilliant.
	So this is Dershowitz's point, Alan Dershowitz.
	He was saying that if the crime that Trump is committing was not telling the truth and that therefore they had repercussions in the real world.
	That Jack Smith is also not telling the truth by leaving out the key part, you know, it's a lie by omission in the indictment.
	They're both, you know, they both have something important to do with our government and with the country.
	And it's hard to see, you know, I don't know about the technical legal details that, you know, Dershowitz can talk about that, but it looks the same.
	It looks like somebody lying.
	The difference is that Trump may have said something in a political context, which everybody should understand, includes some untruths.
	But if you see it in an indictment, I'm sorry, those are not the same.
	No, they're not the same.
	One of them is the worst thing in the world, and the other one is just somebody talking.
	The fact that we've found that the one talking is the one going to jail, And the one doing the worst thing in the world is the one putting him in jail?
	They've already been caught with making up fake FISAs, fake dossiers.
	They've already been caught, and everybody knows that's the truth.
	And yet, they're never indicted, and people see that there is a two-tiered system of justice.
	One for the establishment, And one for everybody who's not in the establishment and trying to make change or expose it.
	Yeah.
	You know, the, the most amazing thing that boggles my mind is that we've now learned enough about, let's say the laptop and the 50 Intel people who lied about that.
	We know about the Russia collusion hoax.
	Oh my God.
	The sound screwed up, Jake.
	What's happened?
	The sound Siri came on.
	Is it still doing it?
	I don't hear it.
	Well, let me get rid of it, that bitch.
	Sorry, I wanted to center your camera.
	That's Siri, bitch.
	I hate that bitch.
	Okay, I'm sorry to have interrupted you.
	Continue, please.
	What was I saying?
	Oh, and so we found out the laptop story that was all faked, and it was also, it wasn't just fake, but it was a fairly massive collusion.
	You know, a lot of people had to be in on it.
	Then, you know, of course, we know the Russia collusion hoax was fairly massive in terms of how many people were in on it.
	And now we're learning about the, you know, the Biden family business and how that worked.
	We now know, I think we know the entire structure of it.
	Yes, we do.
	There's not many questions left.
	Now, I don't know what's legal and illegal.
	I think Hunter might have been clever enough to, you know, be on the right side of the law.
	I'm no expert.
	I don't know.
	But the fact that the way it's being presented to the public It's just a complete, just a cover-up.
	And how many illusions on the same side, followed by a media cover-up, do we have to see before we make some kind of change?
	I'm hoping it's an election change.
	What about this, that Trump had the right to have those papers under the presidential, whatever it's called, I forget.
	But he had the right to have those classified papers as the president of the United States.
	But Biden had him as a senator and as a vice president, which is highly illegal.
	And he doesn't get indicted for that.
	They're laying around his garage and he took him to Chinatown, where China owned the building he was renting, handed him out in the street.
	You know, I don't know the technical Allegedly!
	of what's the difference between those two cases.
	But here's the thing.
	Allegedly.
	Allegedly.
	But the dog that's not barking really loud right now is we've not heard one peep about
	what the contents of Trump's boxes are.
	Now the only reason that could be is because there's nothing important there.
	There could not be any other reason.
	Because if in fact it were nuclear secrets or something like that, you don't think that
	they would tell us at least in broad strokes, hey, there were nuclear secrets?
	You know, they don't have to tell us the secret.
	I would imagine he probably had some things that would sort of defend him in the future or, you know, maybe make his situation look better.
	I would imagine most of it's just for a biography.
	You know, I assume... It could have been for that too, but I think he has the Epstein list.
	And every tentacle that it reached out to from the 28 bank half of HSBC Bank, which they covered up for all these years.
	And, uh, you know, I think he has it all.
	I mean, I love, I really wanted to talk to you about being left of Bernie because I am, but anyways, um, uh, I'm forgetting what I'm saying.
	What am I saying, son?
	Oh, reparations!
	We agree on this.
	Reparations.
	We agree, I'm sure.
	And it should be infrastructure, starting with schools.
	That is reparations to the black community.
	And that's how we can do it.
	We can put infrastructure where they live instead of bringing in fentanyl from the border to destroy that community.
	I think that it is a genocide on black America going on and nobody's talking about it because the only people that are allowed to talk are people that are in on the yank.
	Yeah, I would agree with you that the biggest source of systemic racism is the school system Because its inadequacies are multiplied in the black community, so it's sort of a forever problem.
	And it isn't a mistake, it's on purpose.
	Is it?
	On purpose by who?
	By institutionalized racism.
	And you look at who supports it and it's not who you think.
	You know, it's not who you think at all.
	It's people who are in on the yank.
	They're getting paid off government money to keep the shit going.
	They don't want to change anything.
	They don't want to use public money for the good of the public.
	Come on, it's all corrupt.
	Every bit of it, every stinking tear of it.
	And I cannot believe that these people are out there applauding a compromised and corrupt justice system that sits there and invents and perverts law to get an innocent person in jail when that's what's happened to a whole bunch of black men in this country.
	And they're applauding for it!
	I want people to snap out of their stupor and I want them to do it right now and I'm pimped about it!
	I've joked that Trump is one indictment away from winning the black vote.
	Yes, he is.
	And I'm only a little bit kidding about that because I actually think that the Justice Department is so corrupted that he could say, look, the Justice Department doesn't work for me.
	Imagine how bad it is for you.
	Elect me and I'll fix it for all of us.
	Now, I'm not sure if you could do that because, you know, a lot of the judges... Well, but you know that these judges, they're only doing it because they're getting paid off.
	So if, you know, they go and pay the judge to convict, you know, they've done it a million times to convict the nearest black man.
	They've done it a million times.
	I'm here in Texas.
	They've done it a million times here in Texas.
	A lot.
	Everybody's supposed to ignore that while they're doing it to Trump?
	I'm definitely willing to believe that there's massive injustice from the top to the bottom.
	We have something in common, accidentally.
	I mean, the entire public now is being abused by the Department of Justice.
	So, we weirdly have something in common.
	And look how they did to us.
	Look at all the things they've done to us to destroy our freedom of speech.
	It's just terrifying.
	But we have to find a way to wake people up and I know that that's why you said what you said, like I heard you on Chris Cuomo.
	You get the big attention and then you come back and reframe and explain.
	That's the only way you can get anything on the media now.
	Yeah, the reframe that I was trying to promote is that we're at a point in history where The affirmative action and real aggressive race-based policies probably did help a lot in the past.
	Probably that's the reason that we have diversity in businesses.
	Probably it was one of the best things that America's ever done to make sure that everything was inclusive.
	But it is logical and obvious that at some point you have to stop doing that because it's hurting more than it's helping.
	And it's going to take basically People like me who don't mind getting cancelled to start calling out when the crossover happens.
	That's what I was trying to do.
	So in my mind, the CEI, the ESG, the DEI, the CRT, they all have in common that they demonize white people for the benefit of a class that would benefit if they could change things.
	So you don't want to live around that situation.
	In other words, you want to reduce that as much as possible.
	Now, when I hyperbolically said, get the hell away, there's no practical way to do that.
	Nobody would want to do that.
	That should never have been taken seriously.
	It was hyperbole.
	But here's what can be done.
	We can absolutely make sure that every black kid and every other kid learns how to succeed on a personal level.
	In other words, if you teach them the tools of success that have worked for every person everywhere of every type at every income level, they're going to do fine.
	Will they do as well as some other group?
	You know, I don't care.
	I feel like I need to stop caring about this weird average of one group versus the average of another.
	I cared a lot when the averages were, you know, Completely out of whack, right?
	You care a lot then.
	But once it gets close, even if it's not even, you got to drop the stuff that's creating more problems than it's solving.
	And I think at this point we have to switch to individual success strategies.
	I'm actually working with Joshua Lysak to build a student guide that's based on my books.
	These two.
	This will come out pretty soon.
	But it's basically guides for Personal success.
	And, you know, I came from a low-income situation.
	I'm guessing you probably did, too, as well.
	Low-income situation.
	And if you simply do the things that people have always done to succeed, you've got a really, really good chance in America.
	And if the averages... That is correct.
	If the averages of two, you know, groups that somebody decided have to be measured are different, I'm not sure that that's the problem anymore.
	Because show me a black kid who went to school, stayed off drugs, studied and developed a skill or set of skills that the marketplace valued and didn't do well.
	Does that person even exist?
	It's sort of like I always say, show me the homeless engineer.
	Unless I have a mental problem.
	Well, you never know about that once you bring in drugs, you know, and alcohol.
	There's a lot, probably a lot of them.
	But, you know, everyone should have the right to have a public school.
	That's a place that actually teaches them how to get along in this world that we actually live in so they can be employed and have a gainful future, which they refuse to do.
	They don't think that that is important at all.
	The thing I always noticed.
	They're trying to manufacture child soldiers.
	Have you ever noticed that when you meet a black conservative, they're doing well?
	They're always doing well.
	And it's because they have a set of rules that everybody has always used for success, and they just use the rules, and now they're doing well.
	Well, so do rappers that live within million-dollar mansions.
	They don't talk about it unless when they're launching their fourth clothing line, then they begin to talk about discipline and all that other stuff.
	But if you're talking about Jay-Z or even Ye, I mean, he's controversial, of course, If you look at his work ethic, amazing, amazing work ethic.
	He's probably conservative when they do their taxes.
	Well, once you get money, you turn conservative real fast.
	Didn't you find that out, Scott, if you came from working class background?
	You know, I haven't examined my history to know if I've changed my opinion that much, but let's say I grew up in a Republican town.
	I became kind of, I felt a little lefty when I was young, but I wasn't paying attention too much, right?
	The more you pay attention, the more you dig down, the more... I don't identify as conservative because, like I say, I'm left to burning on some things.
	I'll give you some examples.
	Everybody always asks, what's that mean?
	But I bet you're conservative on putting your money in the bank.
	Well, you mean conservative about money in general?
	Yes.
	Oh yeah, of course.
	Because money is not politics.
	Right?
	Right.
	National defense is not politics.
	So if you tell me, you know, a question about the military or the economy, I don't even know that there's, you know, a Democrat or Republican way to look at that.
	I just look at, okay, who's going to be gored and who's going to make money in this plan and that's sort of all there is.
	But if you, but if you take, I'll give you some examples of why I say I'm left to burning.
	So Republicans might say they don't like abortion.
	Democrats might say, yes, we'd like it under certain conditions.
	And I go further than that to the left.
	And I say, uh, people like me should stay out of it.
	People like me who don't have babies, people like me who can't have a baby.
	I would now, of course, nobody should give up the right to vote or have an opinion, but I think that the best, uh, abortion law.
	Would be the one that is backed by the most women in the country.
	And maybe by state, that makes sense, you know, to make it local.
	But let's imagine that the men wanted abortion to be illegal, the women wanted it to be legal.
	You wouldn't want the men to work to win in that situation.
	That's not a stable country.
	The most stable situation is where the people closest to the decision got to make the decision.
	And that might be different by state.
	Yeah, but that never happens.
	Which part never happens?
	The people who have to live with the decision are never the ones making the decision.
	Oh, well, that's true.
	I'm just saying that as a citizen, I feel I should not influence that conversation.
	But I try pretty hard to influence... Well, I think you should!
	What does that make me?
	I think every person should have a voice in this.
	It's a huge thing.
	It's torn our country apart for decades.
	Hold on, there's a nuance here that I'm not explaining well.
	When you have a situation where you know nobody will agree, and abortion is one of those, you're not going to win anybody over.
	And it's also life and death, and it's also vital, it's such a big topic, it's vital to the cohesion of the country.
	When the stakes are that high, and you can't decide and you know you'll never win an argument, the default, and this is the important part, in that situation, the best solution is that you have the most credible set of laws, not the best ones. So the most credible ones
	are that the people who are let's say most skin in the game
	looked into it and collectively they said, you know, we're the closest to this
	This is what we think.
	And then people like me who are sort of outside that circle can say, you know what?
	I'm not even sure I agree with what you decided, but I definitely agree that you're the right people to decide it.
	So if you can't get the right decision, which really is not, it's not a possibility because we're so polarized on that.
	If you can't get the right decision, the next best thing you can do is get the right people to I think if common sense was introduced, which it has never been, if it was for once introduced, a compromise could appear that everyone could accept.
	And that's what I like.
	I like the power of words and conversation in order to access together a common sense solution to every problem because we do have the brains and the wherewithal and the intelligence.
	Sometimes I say, even if we have to manufacture it artificially, but we do have access to the intelligence to be able to solve each and every situation and problem facing us.
	We do.
	I like that you said when you don't monetize the problem, you can Better solve it.
	Yeah, but I think with the question of abortion, there's no conversation that would get you really close to any kind of a agreed central.
	I think there is.
	And here's what I say.
	So put this under your hat and smoke it or whatever the old lady thing is.
	I'll smoke it.
	Boomer talk.
	Huh?
	I'll smoke it.
	Just give it to me.
	I'll smoke it.
	Okay.
	I think it should be between a woman and her doctor, and it's nobody else's damn business to try to politicize it.
	And I think that everyone should get together in a room and, you know, accessing The greatest data that we have available to us, whether that being inside the womb feels pain or not, because in our new world, there's going to be one commandment.
	Well, there's going to be a really important commandment, which is no cruelty.
	And so I think that using all of that in a higher mind where we're intelligent and not base creatures that crawl on the earth, but we use our mind, we'll go, well, What week is that?
	And it will be between the intelligent woman and her ethical doctor and it will be no one else's business.
	That's what I propose.
	I think people can agree.
	I do.
	But here's the question.
	You're laying out a world in which rational people look at the evidence and kind of agree because logic and data drives them to the same place.
	You may know I'm a trained hypnotist, and the first thing you learn is that you don't live in that world.
	The first thing you learn as a hypnotist is that people make decisions first, they rationalize them after the fact, but they don't know they did that.
	And then they get in an argument with you about how they arrived at their decisions through their logic and data when nothing like that happened.
	That's so true.
	You've heard the famous saying that you can't use reason to talk somebody out of an opinion that they did not arrive at through reason.
	And that's nine out of ten decisions.
	So when you're talking about something like abortion, that more than anything else is driven by your ickiness feeling about a fetus, in my opinion.
	If you're thinking of a fetus and you go, oh my god, that's like a person, and if you ended it, you'd be murder, nobody can talk you out of that.
	That's literally what you see and feel. It's not a reason.
	If somebody else says, well, it has no memory. It's not, I mean, it looks like
	something, but.
	But they're just assuming all that. They're just assuming that it doesn't feel pain,
	but they have done studies about a fetus feeling pain.
	And I think that should be factored in.
	I just do because I like humanity and I like keeping my...
	I like your idea of that as a standard.
	I just don't think you would get people to agree with that standard.
	Well I know, but look at what they do agree with, Scott.
	Why not?
	Why couldn't we do the right thing for once, at the right time, with the right people, for the right reason?
	We're not rational people?
	We don't have to keep being Murphy.
	Well, we kind of do.
	We kind of don't have the option of suddenly becoming rational.
	It's just not... Well, we do, though!
	Why do you say that?
	You really don't believe we do?
	No, not even a little bit, no.
	The hypnotist's point of view is that it's all rationalization after the fact.
	The exceptions to that would be like balancing your checkbook or looking for a sale at the store.
	That could be rational, picking the best route to your destination.
	But anything that has an emotional weight to it at all is 100% how does it feel and then can I build an argument around how I feel.
	I just hope we evolve to the next level quickly.
	I really think we'll have to.
	Well, take the simplest situation.
	I guess you could call it simple.
	Climate change.
	Climate change in theory is so studied that we should not have any disagreement about what it is or where it's going.
	But you can see that there's no amount of data logic argument on either side.
	I'm not taking your side now.
	At the moment, I'm just talking about it from the big picture.
	There's no amount of anything that's going to change anybody's opinion on that, except for this little sliver of people who actually weren't committed one way or the other.
	You know, sometimes you can bend a few in the middle.
	But do you think you're going to get granted to say, you know what?
	After I thought about it, fossil fuels would be terrific.
	It's just not going to happen.
	I think it will happen, because I think it's already happening.
	Like, for instance, the major proponents of climate change say the oceans are rising, but they all went and bought a beachfront mansion for millions of dollars, so obviously they know it's bullshit.
	So you don't need to go further than that.
	Hold on, let me push back on that.
	I'm going to put the rich person filter.
	If I have enough money, I'm going to buy a beach house, and if it goes underwater, I don't care.
	It's my third hour.
	What if you're in it?
	No, they live in it, Scott.
	It's not a vacation.
	Yeah, no, I mean, you're talking about the rich people.
	The rich people with the beach homes can take the risk that the beach home goes underwater.
	Yeah, but what if they're in it and it happens while they're asleep?
	That ain't thinking clearly.
	Well, if it's a hurricane, you usually get a little warning.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I personally would not live anywhere where I had to pack up Because something on the news happened.
	Right.
	I don't want to be listening to the news and the news says, you know, people in your zip code, you really ought to get in your car and drive as fast as you can this way.
	Like, I never want to hear that.
	I just want to watch the news.
	No, because you know, everybody, it'll be the worst traffic jam.
	You'll die out there.
	You're not gonna make it out of your city.
	Can you imagine people, they buy that bullshit.
	Get a motorcycle.
	But they won't go, let's have a rational conversation.
	Well, I know people are stupid if that's what you mean.
	Well, that's one way to put it.
	No, I like to say irrational.
	I like to say irrational because then that, that's, that doesn't, I don't like to hold myself outside that category.
	Because being human, I must have as many irrational You know, opinions that are actually nonsense, but they seem totally reasonable to me.
	I just don't know what they are.
	The nature of irrationality is that you always think it's the other person.
	I don't assume that I'm somehow immune to that.
	I just don't know where my blind spots are.
	I know where they are.
	Well, I'm glad I'm here.
	I'm glad I'm here to find out.
	Not yours.
	Not yours, but in general.
	Something that pisses you off about another person, it pisses you off because you're seeing yourself and that's God telling you, hey, that's what you hate about yourself, but you don't know it.
	Take a look in the mirror.
	You know, that's a special case of the larger thing, I believe, which is we evaluate everything as a version of ourselves.
	I mean, every person, every object, it's all just, it's me, but it's broken.
	So I don't like it.
	It's like a bad version of me.
	So that's sort of a deeper thought there.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's me and everybody else.
	And they're all the other.
	And they're all wrong.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's really childish, but after you see, do you have children, Scott?
	Step kids.
	Well, you know how people just learn stuff the older they get and the more they grow up?
	They do, for the most part, I think, get more rational.
	Do you agree?
	They have more rational capabilities, definitely, because after 25 your brain is sort of locked in and starts to work the way it's supposed to.
	So there's definitely that, and there's definitely more knowledge and more context.
	I can tell you that I feel like a god at my age.
	I'll bet you have the same feeling, because something will come up on the news and I already know the context, because I lived it.
	For example, There are people who are worried that the world is going to hell, and maybe they're right, but my context is, I was born into that world.
	I was born into, we're going to be nuked by the Soviet Union any moment, the ozone layer is gone, all the hippies will no longer work, the economy will crumble because of the long hair, the drugs will destroy us, we're getting closer to that now.
	This is what, my 25th crisis that's going to end the world?
	Eventually you get on that the business model of the news is to sell you crises.
	Once you get that, the next crisis starts looking like the old ones.
	You're like, Oh, now I have something I call the Adams law of slow moving disasters, which says throughout history, If you could see a disaster coming from a long way away, such as, we're going to run out of food because there's too many people.
	Nope.
	Fine.
	We're going to run out of fuel.
	Nope.
	We found a way to frack.
	We have plenty of fuel.
	So we're really good if we have notice.
	The things we're bad at is, oops, COVID.
	We're really bad at that.
	But you give it, you give us a five-year warning or with climate change, a 20-year warning.
	Pretty darn good at that.
	So climate change worries me.
	Almost not at all, because I think our ability to fix it and adjust.
	I think deaths from extreme weather are down 98% over the last few decades.
	So yeah, there might be bigger hurricanes.
	Some places will get hotter, some places won't.
	We'll adjust.
	We always do.
	Yeah, I think that too.
	How old are you?
	I'm 66.
	I'm 70.
	So I'm older than you, haha.
	You know, uh, wasn't there, uh, I realized when I was a kid, I was pretty sure I was supposed to be retired now.
	Yeah, that didn't work out.
	No, that didn't work out.
	And I read, I just read in, uh, online the other day that Americans of our age group are afraid they can never retire.
	I'll tell you, I don't understand how people our age will retire unless they had pretty big careers.
	Like, I do the math, and I think, I don't know how this works.
	But, I think what you're going to see is you're going to see a lot of people who have a house get a bunch of roommates.
	Absolutely.
	And they may be less lonely than they were before.
	So we have infinite capacity to figure out how to re-engineer and solve stuff.
	That's why I think we're going to awaken to our need for each other and bring more love and compassion into it and forget our cruelty and our need to be right.
	And I think it's going to be a great correction for us.
	I think COVID was the, you know, the quarantine was the beginning of that.
	We had to stay with our horrible families and work out a lot of our problems.
	You know?
	It was quite a torture.
	How did that work?
	How did that work out for everybody?
	In some ways.
	I'm not married anymore.
	Very few people survived it on television.
	Yeah, my marriage didn't survive COVID.
	No, a lot of people didn't.
	A lot of people, but you know, I guess it's like if you're able to change or not.
	Speaking of change, I got hypnotized and it was something else.
	Hey, could you hypnotize me into quitting smoking?
	You don't do that kind of shit.
	No, actually that was the thing that got me into hypnosis in the first place.
	My mother was hypnotized when she gave birth to my sister and she didn't have any painkillers.
	She says, maybe she doesn't remember, but she said no painkillers and no pain.
	And she was aware the entire time.
	But the family doctor was the one who hypnotized her in the hospital before birth.
	But also he tried to get her to quit smoking.
	Now, that didn't work.
	And I didn't know that until she died of lung cancer decades later.
	I actually thought she quit smoking.
	She told us she did, but she was a secret smoker.
	Oh, she lied?
	Yeah, yeah.
	She sneak off and smoke?
	She was a sneaky smoker.
	Yeah.
	So, anyway.
	That's what got me interested in it, but the answer to your specific question is that hypnosis doesn't work super well for losing weight or quitting a habit that you enjoy.
	It would be really good for, say, curing stage fright, because nobody wants the enjoyment of stage fright.
	Well, you kind of like the cigarette, right?
	So, how about fear of flying?
	Very good, because nobody wants to keep that.
	Or performing better in your sport.
	You might visualize this.
	Everybody wants to do better.
	There's no counter force.
	But as soon as you've got a counter force, like you really, really like the taste of that food, and you really, really like that cigarette, hypnosis works as well as, but not better than, almost any other technique.
	I think there are a few that might be medical.
	might be some meds now that make a difference, I'm not sure.
	But in the old days, about 30% of the people would get a benefit of quitting smoking.
	But as the hypnotist who instructed me taught us, the people who quit smoking would have quit
	with every other technique as well.
	And it's the difference between wanting to do something and deciding.
	The people who want to do it are looking for something.
	Yeah, they're looking for somebody to do it for them.
	I want it.
	Could you give me some willpower somehow?
	With a pill or something?
	But the people who just say... I always tell... Huh?
	Yeah, the people who say, I'm done, they're just done.
	Every technique works because they're done.
	I always, when I meet Christian people, I say, can you pray for me to quit smoking?
	And then when I don't, I say, you ain't praying hard enough.
	But, uh, yeah, I know it's my fault.
	But, uh, you know, hypnosis, that's kind of programmed in your brain, isn't it?
	Yeah, that's, that's essentially, that's the background behind this book.
	So it's got over 160... What are you telling people to do in that book?
	Are you telling them to do repetition?
	What kind of Can you tell us about programming our brain at the end here?
	I'll give you the simplest one.
	Some years ago, I used the reframe that alcohol is poison.
	Now, reframes don't have to be actually technically correct or logical.
	They just have to work.
	Now, when I said that, I thought it was just an interesting reframe that was working for me because I don't drink anymore.
	A whole bunch of people told me they stopped drinking forever with that one sentence.
	Because instead of looking at it as a beverage, if you think of it, if you think your alcohol is a beverage, you're going to drink it because, hey, it's dinner.
	I have a beverage.
	If you tell yourself it's poison, you don't drink poison with dinner.
	And although you say to yourself, you say to yourself, but wait, Scott, my logical brain knows it's the same thing before or after.
	The words I use don't make any difference.
	But here's what the hypnotists know that the public doesn't.
	The words are your program.
	They are.
	You know what?
	That is so right.
	And that's why I wanted to be on TV.
	That is so right.
	Words, everything is strung together with words.
	I'll tell you this one thing I did, because I like doing that.
	Well, I was in my car and I had quit smoking.
	So I was real self-righteous because I quit all the time.
	I was real self-righteous about it. And I saw this young girl in her car next to me smoking.
	So I rolled down my window, she looked over and she's like, she could, because I was famous then.
	And she's just staring at me with her cigarette and I go, you need to stop smoking now. And she
	goes, Oh my God, Roseanne Barr is telling me that I need to, and I was thinking about stopping smoking.
	Okay.
	She threw it out the window.
	She goes, that's it.
	I'm done.
	And I, I like doing that, you know?
	Then she died of lung cancer.
	I hope she did.
	Here's the, here's the hypnotist explanation of what happened.
	And I talk about this in the book as well.
	Reframe your brain.
	Um, that people need a fake because.
	A reason that sounds like a reason but isn't really a reason.
	When famous Roseanne said you need to quit smoking, that was a fake because.
	But, did it work?
	I'll bet it did.
	If I had to bet on it, she's got a story that she can tell for the rest of her life, and that's a fake reason why she actually quit.
	You can give yourself fake reasons, and I actually teach you how to do it, because your brain is not a rational engine.
	It's a word engine.
	If you put the right words in, you're going to get the right action.
	That is so right.
	And by the way, by the way, the, the AI that we have now that's based on nothing but language patterns is confirmation of what the hypnotists always knew that if you simply combine words, it looks like intelligence.
	So the intelligence we're getting out of AI is sort of like a fake intelligence.
	It's really just pattern recognition.
	But that's what we do.
	Humans are no different.
	So I think I have an opinion, but what I really have is an understanding that these sets of words fit together in a pattern.
	That is not thinking or reason.
	It's simply pattern recognition.
	It's like, oh, under this situation, I produce these words because that's what most people do.
	They're associated with the topic.
	And so we think we're thinking, but almost never.
	Almost never.
	It's like wizardry, isn't it?
	All it is is pattern recognition, but if you don't know that's all it is, it's like a magic trick.
	So yes to your point.
	Do you use it when you tweet, Scott?
	Sometimes.
	My hypnosis knowledge?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So it's more like a, uh, an understanding.
	So there's technique, but if you've, if you've lived it and breathed it and worked with it for years, uh, I write it without thinking about it.
	So it all, it's almost like typing with, you know, if you're a touch typer, I don't think I'll say this in a persuasive way, but it's also the only way I know how to write at this point.
	So it's just automatic.
	What about persuasion?
	I wanted to talk to you about persuasion.
	Yeah.
	So persuasion is the umbrella under which everything from marketing to sales, propaganda, hypnosis, they all fall under there and they all have common elements.
	So that's my larger field is persuasion and hypnosis would just be one thing I learned.
	But you know, all forms of communication.
	have an element of persuasion in them if you're doing it right.
	So I've simply learned those little techniques and incorporated them in my normal presentation.
	For example, I'll give you an example.
	Vivek Ramaswamy was on an interview recently talking about climate change.
	He had a different view than the host.
	But what he did before he went into his different parts He said that he agreed that the climate is warming.
	Now, I'm not getting into a discussion about climate.
	I'm just giving you an example of persuasion.
	He said, I agree the planet is warming and that humans caused it.
	By agreeing with her first, he's got you on his side.
	That's called pacing.
	Right.
	It's called what?
	Pacing.
	You pace the person you're trying to persuade by agreeing with them or matching them in some way.
	For example, if I were pacing you, I would have, you know, maybe dressed the same way you're dressing or the same
	style.
	I might have leaned the way you're leaning.
	I might have used the words you use.
	So, for example, if you were a person who talked in military terms, it's usually guys, but if they said stuff like, well, we're going to take that hill tomorrow, and somebody jumped on the hand grenade, if I were pacing you, then I would say, yeah, you've got to get the troops to be marching in one direction, and you can't go to war without ammunition.
	And then, without realizing it, they would say, you know, you and I are basically the same person.
	Because the things coming out of your mouth, they're in my head.
	And as I'm thinking them, you're saying them, or you're saying what I could have thought in that situation.
	So the next thing I say, you're convinced that we're the same person.
	Now, that's an exaggeration, but I'm saying that if your friend says something's true, you're more likely to agree than an enemy.
	Because the friend is a version of you.
	That's why they're a friend.
	An enemy is the opposite of you.
	So you, like, reject that.
	So you, you become the person you're trying to influence long enough for them to feel comfortable with your message.
	So that's just one thing.
	So yeah, for sales or just for human.
	That's everything from personal relationships, to marketing, to sales, everything.
	So persuasion isn't everything we do.
	You can either be good at it or bad at it, but you never are not doing it, right?
	We're all selling ourselves all the time.
	Yeah, I can get that with my grandkids, like trying to persuade them to choose the right thing.
	I can, you know, I get that with The, hey buddy, I hate your parents too, and I'm on your side.
	But yeah, it is kind of that.
	Well, one of the reframes in the book is how to talk to a teenager.
	And one of the tricks that I give, and by the way, there's no good way to talk to a teenager.
	So if you think you're going to like, you know, you've got the silver bullet or something.
	No, no, you can do a little bit better.
	That's all.
	That's all you can do.
	But one of the reframes is, I use this with my stepson who's deceased now, I would tell him that it's two against one whenever I disagreed with him because I'd say, look, here's the deal.
	My job is to report to your future self.
	I don't report to you.
	But your future self, when you're an adult, you're going to hold me responsible for this situation.
	That's right.
	That future you and me are on the same side.
	And that future you is going to be pissed if I let you do this.
	Because it's going to look back and say, why did you let me do that?
	Like I didn't learn any discipline.
	Right.
	So the young kid doesn't want to understand that and doesn't want to agree that you're on the same side as their future self, but they also don't have much to say about it.
	Right.
	It's hard to push that.
	So that's one reframe.
	I call that accessing the future to work for you in the now.
	Everything I think is for how to manipulate children to get them out of this morass of my control they're under.
	I feel bad for them.
	They can't even think.
	I'm in agony over that.
	Well, let me give you the best optimistic take on the children of tomorrow.
	Okay.
	I don't think it's ever been true that more than 10% of the kids made a difference anyway.
	Meaning that the ones who built the startups and became Apple and like that, it's not many people.
	And those people probably are unfazed by the nonsense.
	In other words, if there's a Steve Jobs born today, he's still Steve Jobs.
	He still emerges.
	There's nothing that can stop him.
	Nothing would have stopped Bill Gates.
	Right.
	Maybe it wasn't Microsoft, but he had the goods, right?
	He had all the tools.
	So he was, he was going to do something no matter what.
	And I think that that doesn't change.
	I think from the sixties, again, going back to my youth, you know, we saw the, the, the kids seem to be tuning out and dropping out.
	And it looked like the youth that lost all their, all their interest in hard work and all those things that kept the country together.
	And then the country just kept getting stronger.
	And every generation, every 10 years, we're like, oh, this generation, this generation X, Y, whatever, they're all bad.
	And then it never really happens, because every generation produces their 10% who do all the important stuff.
	The rest are working, they're contributing, but their individual difference is not that important to the whole.
	So, as long as we're producing superstars, and I don't think you could turn it off.
	I mean, it's just the luck of the genetics.
	Kid comes out, they're just a superstar.
	I don't think there's anything in our society that can hold back a superstar.
	I don't think that... Well, I don't either, but I just, you know, wish that the regular human that ain't a superstar could make better decisions for themselves, so they aren't like... you know, so they have more sovereignty in their lives and communities.
	I get tired of seeing people used as social experiments for freaks.
	Yeah, you know, but do you think it's getting worse or are we just more aware?
	I think we're more aware of it, but I do think it's getting worse.
	But yeah, it's more, there's more of them now.
	There's more, more people at their disposal to do their bidding now and they take more and more freedom from them and give them less and less education.
	Yeah, I think it's way different.
	Maybe it's not.
	Maybe if you go back to feudalist times, it ain't different from that.
	It's like a return to feudalism.
	You know, the thing about the future is that it's fundamentally unpredictable.
	And there are so many things that are boiling around right now that could change just completely what it looks like five years from now.
	I mean, if you had AI, To the fact that they may have this superconductivity working.
	I'm not totally convinced.
	So, you know, by the time people see this, maybe it's debunked, but if that works, superconductivity plus AI plus quantum computers, plus fusion energy forever.
	These are all the things that would be enabled by these technologies.
	Everything's different.
	We can get to the point where energy is close to free in say 20 years.
	And what happens when energy is close to free?
	Because every economy that succeeds does it on the back of energy, right?
	If you don't have energy, you're not going anywhere.
	And if you do, you'll probably almost be, certainly be fine.
	Every country that's got a lot of energy seems to have a, you know, a plus.
	So, I don't know.
	The future is fundamentally unpredictable, but there's a whole bunch of good stuff happening.
	Yeah, there is.
	Is at least as powerful as the bad stuff.
	I think it's more powerful than the bad stuff.
	And that's why I say, I think because of all the good that's incoming because of the, I mean, of course we could use technology to ruin everything, which we are good at, but I think, I think we might get a chance to better ourselves and improve our situation and therefore think more clearly.
	I think that's coming.
	You know, one of the things that, That I've noticed because I have a background in economics.
	So my education is economics and then I got an MBA.
	And what they teach you is how to compare things properly.
	So that you're not comparing to some magical thought in your mind of how things should be compared to the actual options.
	And what I've observed is that when I meet people who have the same background as me, we usually agree right away.
	Or if we don't, there's an assumption that we can see, oh, you believe that'll happen.
	But I have a different assumption.
	So you end up agreeing or getting really close to it if you've learned how to make decisions.
	And that's a field that teaches you specifically do this or do this.
	How do you analyze these?
	So when I talk to what I'll call normies, you know, regular people who might have even a college degree could be in math, could be in a variety of things.
	But if it's not in a decision making field, you believe you can do it, but you can't.
	And I had that experience when I became a cartoonist, because I'm not very good at drawing.
	People told me early in my career, you know, there's nothing you're doing that I couldn't do.
	No, they told me that.
	In fact, I could write that, I could do that comic, but of course they never did, right?
	People sometimes look at things and think it's simple, such as decision making, and they think this is something that any ordinary person can do.
	I can look at the costs, I can look at the benefits, anybody can do it.
	But indeed, it's a learned skill.
	It is a learned skill.
	My native intelligence, which I like to think is pretty good, I don't think would help me.
	without the actual training and the discipline to always make sure I'm looking at the base case, always looking at the do-nothing, I know what a sunk cost is, you know, that sort of thing.
	So, for example, when we look at the economic models or the prediction models of climate change, as a trained person in the field of decision-making, it looks like an absurdity to me.
	Because, first of all, there are too many variables, second of all, there are hundreds of Hundreds of models, and then as new information comes in, they throw away some of the models that didn't work and tell you that these models were predictive.
	But they weren't predictive.
	There were just hundreds of them, and some of them had to be close.
	So as they're throwing away the ones that fail, just by survivorship, there's something left.
	There always was going to be something that was close.
	It doesn't mean it predicted.
	Now that's obvious to me, because I have some background, but that would totally be not obvious to an ordinary consumer of news.
	They would say, are you telling me that all the scientists say this is valid?
	And they'll look at you and say, yes.
	All the scientists.
	Well, 98%, 2% are crazy, but 98% say this is a valid, smart thing.
	It never was.
	Not only are the models not science, they're based on humans making assumptions that go into them, and that drives the result.
	I know this because that was my job.
	I used to work at a big corporation to predict our economic future.
	And I would have to make assumptions.
	The assumptions of the model, not the data.
	It was just whatever I decided was sort of true-ish, I'd put in there.
	Well, that's how they do it.
	They get in a room and decide how much money is worth.
	It's all fantasy.
	Well, there are definitely people deciding what reality is, the reality that we see.
	So the point being that if you're looking at, let's say, a 50-year climate model, which part of that predicted that we would have superconductivity this year?
	None!
	Which part of the model predicted that Sam Altman's other startup would make fusion work, at least in the lab?
	None, right?
	So the biggest variables are all positive, you know, in the sense that there are technologies coming online.
	The models don't account for that.
	So the biggest part of the future, these enormous social scientific breakthroughs, that's the biggest part of the future.
	They're not in the models, because no model can predict that.
	That's right.
	So I look at it and say, okay, I'm pretty sure we can get on top of all these problems.
	Maybe the sea level rises.
	We can fix that.
	Just move back, move back, build the dike, do something.
	Build a boat.
	Live on a boat.
	We now have desalinization, especially as energy costs come down.
	We can live on the ocean.
	You can build a city on the ocean.
	And maybe that's what 30 years from now looks like.
	Because there is talk that it's now practical.
	And then if you're on the ocean, maybe you move your city based on the season or the hurricane pattern.
	You can easily imagine a future where hurricanes are irrelevant.
	Yes, absolutely.
	It has to start with thinking, words, imagination, before it can, you know, manifest it in the world.
	But I think that's what they're trying to lock down, is our ability to, you know, well, I mean, not ability, well, our desire to create and imagine and think.
	They're trying to lock all that down, and question.
	They're trying to get rid of that out of us.
	Yeah, the other thing that nobody can predict is what somebody thinks of that nobody thought of before.
	Here's one of my favorite examples.
	So climate change and hurricanes, you know, we've got some predicted danger there. But most of our hurricanes, at
	least on the the Atlantic side, they form because the desert in northern Africa is
	super hot at some season, and that that causes the sequence of events. But
	suppose we got our desalinization better, we use livestock, which is another
	way to build greenery on deserts. You just let the the cows wander
	around and poop on stuff, and the next thing you know, your vegetation's moved
	10 feet into the poop, and you just let them keep wandering around. Ten years
	later you got a forest just from cows wandering around pooping. So we have the technology to
	turn a super hot place into a slightly cooler one, if we wanted to. And
	that would actually change the nature of hurricanes.
	Well, that's what I'm saying.
	We have the ability to make this place way better.
	And I do think that a lot of us, maybe that 10% you were talking about before, but the 10% that matter, a lot of us know that, that we can improve things.
	And you know, I think we'll make it happen.
	I really do.
	I just feel it.
	I see evidence.
	I think our smartest people are smarter than they've ever been smart.
	And there's no way to quantify the impact of brilliance, of literal genius, on our future.
	Because it's the geniuses that are changing stuff.
	And you don't see that coming until it comes.
	I didn't see superconductivity at room temperature a month ago.
	But somebody got it.
	Maybe.
	I hope so.
	I interviewed a guy in 1985 that was making a car work on V8 cans full of water with some infrastructure around it.
	I'm going to say that was a fraud.
	No, it worked.
	I wrote about it for a magazine.
	I mean, he had a generator and the whole thing and I can't remember exactly how, but that was how he made the fuel.
	Cans with full water in a tank.
	And they put it in the car.
	They were charged up.
	Ben Franklin used to do that.
	He played with cans of water and that's how he developed the battery or helped develop it.
	So you might be onto something.
	I don't know.
	I can't remember enough to talk about it, but I did see it with my own eyes.
	Unless it was a magic trick.
	I don't know.
	But do you believe that we're going to have Nisara and Gisara with your MBA in economics?
	That's what everybody's saying is coming.
	What are we going to have?
	GSARA, G-S-A-R-A, G-E-S-A-R-A.
	Was that a virus or something?
	What is that?
	No, it's a redistribution of gold.
	Oh, I don't, I'm not even up to date on that story.
	I don't know.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, that's what they say.
	You know, gold-backed currency that America will Be having that soon.
	Don't you think it's just going to all turn digital?
	It has to, doesn't it?
	Yeah.
	No, because they're trying.
	I think that's the reset that they want, is that we move to digital.
	But I think that there's another thing coming.
	But let me ask you this.
	Can you even imagine, let's say, put your imagination 20 years in the future.
	Is there any way in 20 years you're paying for things with pieces of paper that you had in your wallet?
	In 20 years?
	No, there's no way.
	No way.
	So it's all going to be digital?
	No, I don't think so.
	I think we'll be taking a chicken to the doctor to heal us.
	Barter.
	That's probably what's going to happen.
	When we live in the feudal state of oligarchy.
	Then you'll be lonely because your chicken was your only friend.
	So you've got to be careful with it.
	No, but I think we're going to have a better system.
	I think we're going to come up with something better that actually serves the many instead of the few at the expense of the many.
	You know?
	I do.
	I think we are.
	I think we're dangerously close to not needing people to work.
	That's one of my big concerns.
	Because once you get free energy, you can make your robots build more robots.
	You can make them mine the ore, and pretty soon you've got a completely, you know, a self, you could build an economy that didn't require people, except for maybe giving some orders to some robots now and then.
	Because the robots can build robots, the energy will come, they can find, they can mine, basically they can just do anything we want.
	But what are people going to do in that world?
	Well, some of them are going to merge with the robots according to Elon Musk, and I agree with that.
	I think we'll have chips in our heads, and for a long time in human history, well actually it'll be a short time in the universe, but in human history I think there's going to be a period where we're legitimately cyborgs in every sense.
	I wonder about that too.
	I don't wonder, I think that's guaranteed.
	Really?
	Oh yeah, that's guaranteed.
	Some percentage of the humans, not all of them, I mean there will be people who stay natural, but some percentage of people are going to put the chip in and they're going to be able to directly interface.
	They're already paying it, hopefully.
	I think that's true.
	Yeah, that's right.
	And then they'll have a cyborg girlfriend that looks like Pamela Anderson, the Stetford wife they've always dreamed of.
	You know, and the women will have Rock Hudson or whoever it is that's... Probably not Rock Hudson, but that's another story.
	Yeah, well, it's programmable, so it could be.
	No, I can't think of who's hot, but you know what I mean.
	Well, he's gay, but you know, you could program Rock Hudson.
	Well, you know, like the perfect man, and then they'll just program it to say, you're right, dear.
	I love you.
	What else can I do for you?
	I feel like the sex bots will be programmable.
	So if you get tired of yours, you can like change it to, all right, now you're gay.
	I'm just going to try this out for a while.
	Yeah, exactly.
	We'll update your software again until we get something we like.
	I think that that's the way it has to go, the way it's headed.
	You know, I think that at least 30% of the male public That's a low number, actually.
	It's probably closer to 50.
	to do.
	Women are terrible.
	But you see it in dating apps, right?
	The dating apps have made the top 1% of guys golden, so they're getting all the women.
	And the rest of the guys have no women.
	And then when those women have been run through properly, they try to get married and the other guys are like, maybe not.
	Maybe not.
	You have a sex robot.
	You missed out.
	I got an alternative right over here.
	Yeah, no, that is what's happening.
	The funniest thing about the sex robots, which are certainly going to be better and better every year, is that women were abusing nerds for a hundred years, and they didn't see there would be a blowback.
	The nerds actually replaced women.
	What did?
	Nerds.
	Yeah, the nerds.
	The nerds, the technology people.
	They're like, all right, if you're going to abuse us for 100 years, you just wait.
	I see.
	I can see the genius behind that.
	Well, it might be better for men.
	It might be better for women, too, to just have an agreeable partner that you didn't have to take out all of your personal PTSD with constantly and call that a relationship.
	Well, my idea doesn't.
	It looks like it's not going to catch on.
	My idea was that your spouse, the person you married, would be the only
	person you can't have sex with.
	Everybody else is fair game.
	Like, when you get married, you basically show your worst side to your spouse because
	you can't really hide it at that point.
	So why is the only person you can have sex with the only person who showed you all their flaws and blah?
	Right.
	I had a joke about that.
	I had like, well, you know, you don't want to have sex because you know, um,
	yeah. Cause it's worse than mystery and seeing somebody on the toilet.
	I mean, you know, the romance, you just sit, what?
	It's just over.
	I think people will probably stop having sex because, you know, it's deadly and it's, you know, it's not going to add up.
	If the robots are stepping up, I think you're right.
	They got to step up though.
	Well, the women have been using the robot since they came out, what, then in the 70s, all the vibrators.
	So, you know, I don't know.
	It kind of makes sense.
	People are pretty much chronic masturbators anyway.
	They don't really want to love nobody or talk to them.
	So here's a topic I can only say here, which is, I'm pretty sure the womanizer will destroy civilization.
	Do you know the womanizer?
	Special kind of sex toy for women that doesn't work.
	Oh, no.
	I thought you were talking about like a Lothario, but okay.
	No, he's talking about a vibrator.
	I've never seen it.
	I'm going to order it right now for Hannah.
	So it's a product that instead of vibration, which, you know, was pretty good.
	It, I won't give you more description, but it does some kind of a sucking clitoral thing.
	Oh yeah.
	Yeah.
	But, but I'm told.
	I'm interested.
	All right.
	So I'm told that it's like a whole level above whatever existed before such that it's so good that, you know, it's becoming a replacement for actual men.
	And I don't mean that as hyperbole, you know, I mean, I mean, that's like 5% of people just like backing out and say, you know, Maybe people could just be friends, which would be good.
	You know, you'd be friends with the opposite sex rather than, you know, rushing to him to solve all your daddy issues and your mommy problems and using them forever.
	Just be friends and take care of your own business.
	For God's sake, the world probably be a way better place.
	This is the most optimistic I've been in a long time with you two.
	I just want you to know I feel the first time I feel good about the future.
	I'm not even trying to be funny.
	Fusion's going to be fine.
	This has been a great, even though it's all about the future of dildos and sex robots and stuff, it looks good.
	I'm excited.
	What the hell?
	I like the big three.
	I like to talk about, you know, AI robots and dildos.
	If you've covered that field, everything else is sort of, sort of ancillary.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, but we talked about racism, the media, persuasion, programming your brain.
	You know, most people believe what most people believe and don't think.
	We talked about the indictment.
	Come on, man.
	We've had a great conversation.
	I so enjoyed it.
	You are so smart, so interesting, and I thank you so much for being my guest today.
	You know, I think I may have mentioned this, but you don't know how many podcasts I turned down since I got canceled.
	You know, I did a few up front just to get my message out, and then I went silent.
	But as soon as I heard that you were interested, I said to myself, I gotta talk to the other disgraced artist.
	And by the way, maybe you could use this too.
	I like to call myself not canceled, but disgraced.
	I like that.
	I kind of like being disgraced.
	There's some jobs where it can add just a little bit of flavor.
	Right.
	So the people don't know that I've continued doing the comic, but it's by subscription on Twitter and on the locals platform.
	So you can see it there for, for subscription, but of course it became much wilder, you know, once all the, uh, the censorship was off.
	So I'm just having the most fun.
	I mean, the, the series I'm going to work on, I just, I'm just going to start is I'm going to have a Dilbert looking at his 23 and me and his DNA.
	He's gonna start looking at his fourth cousins.
	They have like 0.002%.
	He's gonna be thinking, I could use this as a dating app.
	But I gotta stay under .004 because that's just crazy.
	Yeah.
	That's like family.
	Dark Dilbert.
	Yeah.
	But .00... You should hear about my family.
	The Jews are all married to their cousins in my family all the way through Europe.
	That's why we're so neurotic.
	I figured it out.
	Inbreeding.
	Because we're way too finely tuned, if you know what I mean.
	I remember my mom setting me up with a guy when I was six, well, I guess I was 16.
	And the first thing that came in my head when she said she had a nice Jewish boy for me to date, I guess I was 15.
	She goes, my first question, and I guess this isn't normal for non-Jewish people.
	Are we related to him?
	And it took her too long to answer.
	She goes like this.
	Wow.
	So I knew, you know.
	I did not want to carry that on.
	Yeah, you don't want to get into the conversation of a third cousin.
	A third cousin.
	Fourth cousin, definitely okay.
	Third cousin, that's my limit.
	I'm going the limit there.
	Yeah.
	Do you believe in God before we go?
	I believe in the simulator.
	Or is that too personal?
	I believe that we are a simulated world, much like Elon Musk.
	And the quick argument for that is we already have the technology to build simulations that would act like they think they're real.
	We haven't done it, but we have all the tools to do that.
	Just make an NPC with AI and it thinks it's alive.
	So the argument is, if it's possible, One of the odds that we're the first ones to do it versus some other entity already did it and we're one of their million simulations running on some computer and maybe we think we lived a hundred years of our life, but maybe that was only a microsecond on somebody's computer.
	So yeah, they may be, you know, reaching their finger for the off button and we go away forever.
	But in the time that it takes from the finger to get there, maybe we live hundreds of years, you know, the world.
	So the possibility is that just from, you know, statistical likelihood, the odds of us being after 14 billion years of this universe, there's exactly one Human-like group of people who can build a simulation where the simulated people think they're real?
	Very unlikely.
	Far more likely, it's happened a lot of times, like millions of times, billions, even trillions.
	And under that scenario, you have maybe a trillion to one odds that you're a digital creation, which would give you a god.
	Your god would be the programmer who built your little simulation.
	Intelligent design.
	It would be intelligent design, yeah.
	The author.
	Yeah, the author.
	That's what I think.
	We're living in the author's mind.
	Part of the reason that I go for this, and I speculate that Musk might have a similar feeling, is that his life and mine, and maybe you would say this about yours as well, doesn't seem to conform to what you would expect of a normal life.
	In other words, you know, without getting into details, my life has been so extraordinary, and so many things have happened that I, you know, That actually fucking happened.
	and visualized. I mean I became a number one best-selling author. I became one of
	the top cartoonists in the world. When I was six years old I decided that's
	exactly what I wanted to do. Then I had this weird fantasy that someday I'd be
	invited to the Oval Office and the president would ask me some questions
	just because he thought I'd have a good opinion. That actually fucking happened.
	In 2018 Trump actually invited me to the Oval Office.
	I sat in the Oval Office, and we just chewed the fat.
	How awesome!
	And now, when I look back at that, I say to myself, that is one of 25 things that are so unusual, and yet they were things I never imagined and targeted.
	And without even knowing your whole story, I'll bet That you had a feeling that there was some kind of magic happening, and you were imagining your future, and the next thing you have, you know, top TV show in the world, and everything's weird.
	Yeah, I imagined it as a child, and I worked to get it.
	But, you know, I carefully honed my craft in order to get it.
	I didn't just walk in there, hey, I'm taking over, you know.
	We all did the work.
	Yeah, we all did the work.
	But aren't there lots of people who did the work?
	And they didn't get the results.
	Yeah, there are a lot of people who did the work, but I don't know why they didn't make it, and I did, ultimately.
	I don't know why, because I thought they were just as good.
	Here's what I think.
	If we're a simulation, I speculate that we can author it from within the simulation.
	In other words, that the visualization of your future might be the mechanism by which you're actually steering yourself through infinite possibilities.
	I believe that.
	I definitely believe that.
	I got a head injury when I was 16, getting hit by this car.
	And since then, after a nightmare 10 years of healing my brain concussion, my brain injury, I started having lucid dreams.
	Have you ever had those?
	Oh yeah, of course.
	Oh, that's the real shit, ain't it?
	It's the greatest.
	I have to have you come back and discuss that.
	Please come back again.
	I've so enjoyed speaking with you.
	Yeah, I'd love to.
	I'd love to.
	Yeah, it was amazing, Scott.
	Thank you so much.
	You're up here in the penthouse of thinking.
	I love it.
	God bless you.
	Thanks so much for having me.
	The time just zipped by.
	I assume we're We're an hour and a half.
	I'll tell you, take this to the bank.
	You are not in any way a racist.
	You are a deep thinker and you can take that to the bank.
	Said by another person called a racist by the United States racist media.
	Thank you.
	And I am a racist and I'm telling you both you're not.
	All right.
	Make sure you leave your computer open, Scott.
	Will do.
	If you can.
	All right.
	I'm going to end the recording.
	At ease, man.
	At ease.

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