Ezra Levant highlights the arrest of 17-year-old citizen journalist Young Bob (Thomas Moffat) on September 24th under the UK’s Public Order Act, detained for 24 hours and later charged with inciting racial/religious hatred over migration protest coverage. Levant compares this to police tactics against Tommy Robinson, warning of arbitrary censorship and potential detention in violent youth facilities. He crowdfunds legal aid via saveyoungbob.co.uk while criticizing Shia law’s treatment of women and the Equality Act 2010, which he ties to rising anti-trans harassment. Levant also addresses online right-wing anti-Semitism, contrasting it with leftist narratives, citing Qatar’s $200K payments to figures like Candace Owens, before traveling to Austin to debate these issues on Alex Jones’ Infowars. The episode underscores the erosion of free speech and conservative values amid politicized legal enforcement. [Automatically generated summary]
Tonight, Rebel News fights for freedom of speech around the world.
It's September 29th and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
Shame on you, you censorious thug.
Hi everybody.
I'm at our world headquarters in a bunker in the greater Toronto area.
It's been a very busy week.
You know, I had a wonderful Friday.
I was invited as a guest speaker to address the Western standard.
As you may know, more than a decade ago, about 15 years ago or so, I ran a print magazine called Western Standard, which was Western Canadian-focused.
It was freedom-focused.
We made one mistake, though.
It was printed on paper and delivered by Canada Post.
So needless to say, that went the way of the dodo bird, but it was a wonderful project I was involved with.
And anyways, a few years ago, about five years ago now, Derek Fildebrandt, the former politician and conservative activist, revived that newspaper, that magazine, with the same name, Western Standard, but he made it a digital news product.
Anyways, they've really come along well.
It's sort of in the mold of the old Western Standard.
And before that, if you remember, Alberta Report run by Ted Byfield, the great Alberta journalist and activist.
So it was exciting to be invited.
I was very flattered, actually, to be invited and saw some old friends there.
And their team is growing.
And I think that Ted Byfield would be really proud of what they've achieved.
And I was sort of, you know, excited to be invited and treated so nicely because on paper, we're competitors.
But it doesn't feel that way.
I feel like we're actually allies in a fight against the regime.
So that was really enjoyable.
And, you know, it was a fun staff night.
They have their own version of the, you know, the Oscars.
So they had their own awards for best video, best news story.
It was fun to see that.
Anyways, that's where I was on Friday night.
I came back to Toronto and then I went to London, England for 12 hours.
And I know that sounds crazy and it was crazy, but I was basically there and back on Sunday because I care about the UK for the reasons you've heard me explain many times before.
And I'm excited that the UK has something called the Free Speech Union, which is a very strong and growing activist NGO, I guess would be the phrase, that if someone is fired from their job or deplatformed in some way because of their freedom of speech, the Free Speech Union has a bunch of lawyers and they go straight to work.
But just like in Canada, where we have good civil liberties groups like the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedom or the CCF, there's a handful of them, not just the Democracy Fund.
There's always a gap, right?
There's always more cases.
And maybe the particular strategy of a particular civil liberties group doesn't include a certain case.
I love the street journalism, citizen journalism beat in the UK.
Of course, we sort of do some of that over there.
And Tommy Robinson, our friend, started with us as a citizen journalist.
So we'd been at it in the UK for a while.
As I mentioned to you when I covered Tommy Robinson's big rally on September 13th, one of the most palpable changes from early Tommy Robinson events that I've attended is the absolute blooming and flowering of so many new citizen journalists.
I didn't even know all of them, which is a great thing.
It's sort of sad if I know, oh, the usual five people are here.
No, there was like 50.
And some of them have huge audiences now.
Some are quite well resourced.
Others are, you know, Lone Rangers kind of thing.
That was one of the most exciting things about Tommy's rally, not just the speeches.
And I was delighted to be invited to give a speech, as you know.
But it really meant that when Tommy Robinson says, we are the media now, and I say that sometimes too, it's true.
Like, it's one thing to say that if you have just a handful of citizen journalists, but if you've got 50, and amongst them, my estimate of there's 1 billion people viewed in some way, even for a moment, the rally, and that was despite the regime media, not because of it.
So, anyways, back to what I was doing in London for 12 hours.
One such citizen journalist, he's just 17 years old.
His real name is Thomas Muffet, but he goes by the pen name Young Bob, and he is young.
I mean, I can't believe he's 17.
I guess if I look at him, he has a youthful face, but he's tall.
And I guess the most impressive thing is he carries himself with a wisdom and maturity far beyond his years.
I remember when I was 17, and there's no way I had my act together like he does.
Anyways, confidence and energy are one thing, but what happens when the law decides to pick you up, arrest you, and hold you overnight in jail because they don't like your journalism?
You say, Come on, Ezra, you're exaggerating.
You're leaving something important now.
No, I'm not.
As you know, in the United Kingdom, every single day, there are 30 people in the UK arrested for some social media post.
Before I get to the case of young Bob, here's another citizen journalist from Northern England who was visited at 10 p.m. at night by police because he retweeted a meme.
So, this isn't young Bob, what I'm about to show you.
It's just another citizen journalist in the same week.
Take a quick look at this.
Basically, section 19 refers to spreading what we say, like racial hatred.
So, you've posted something online that we believe is spreading racial hatred.
Twitter, Facebook.
I can't explain too much.
It's just to give you the context beforehand.
Because I appreciate you've never been arrested for have you?
Yeah, once or twice.
Once or twice.
Frequent fire.
Apologies, I didn't think you were.
How it works now is then: obviously, if you've got stuff you'd like to gather, obviously I'm more than willing to talk through what you're able to take with you.
What you're taking me away now?
Yes, so you're on arrest, so you're going to Harrogate, unfortunately.
You're taking me to Harrogate in the middle of the night over a tweet.
I am, unfortunately.
Is this what you signed up the police to do?
This is my role.
I'm trying to be reasonable with you here.
So, if there's stuff you'd like to gather, I'm more than willing to allow you to gather some sort of stuff like medication, if you've got any numbers you need.
You do understand that I'm going to make the maximum fuss about this free speech union.
Absolutely.
You guys are just doing your jobs, obviously, but your head bosses have just opened up a world of trust.
If I didn't have to be here, I want to be, but I'm happy to keep you.
I'm quite certain you two have got like 50 better things to do.
Why are the police raiding his house at 10 p.m. at night?
That's outrageous.
Well, that's the point.
It's designed to shock and awe and intimidate and dissuade and deter.
They don't have to come at 10 at night.
I remember once police raided Tommy Robinson's personal home at 4:30 a.m.
They didn't need to do that.
It's not like he was a flight risk.
They did that precisely to irritate his family, stress out his family, cause his kids to cry, etc.
That is a police tactic.
That's a police state tactic, by the way.
So that was another example.
But it's one thing when you do that to a grown man, but what about arresting a 17-year-old?
He's physically large, but he's still a kid.
I mean, there's a reason why 18-year-olds aren't old enough to vote, aren't in most jurisdictions, old enough to drink, etc.
It's because they're not quite grown up yet.
And so, to take young Bob off the street with sketchy reasons and throw him in jail and hold him in jail overnight, it's obvious why they're doing it.
They're trying to smash his confidence and stop a budding career as a citizen journalist.
Here's the exactitudes of his arrest.
Take a look.
Oh, what we're seeing here is Bob who's being arrested now.
Do you understand that?
I was making attempts to leave.
I had my Uber book phone.
I'll get started.
If you'd like to leave, that'd be wonderful.
So it looks like they're going around and arresting people.
Huh?
What did you say?
I'm keeping distant.
I'm not going to encroach on what's happening and he's been took away.
Yeah.
And then that's the dispersal in place currently.
Young Bob has been arrested under section 14 of the Dispersal Act.
Context there.
I was arrested for section 14 of the Public Order Act.
I attempted to leave through booking Uber and I was not part of an assembly or protest.
I was booked in for 24 hours.
Midway through the night, I was woken up and they gave me even more bullshit charges, citing videos that I've done in the past.
And my bail ends at the 30th of October.
I'm not allowed in Epping, and there's a few others that I can't really go into detail now.
All I'm going to say is, legally speaking, I am fucked.
I don't know what to do in terms of legal representation.
If it wasn't for the fact I was able to crack a laugh in the prison cell, I would have gone insane.
And yeah, the footage I clearly show you is: firstly, I left.
Secondly, I wasn't protesting.
And thirdly, if you were being charitable, I was obviously going to leave within that six minutes.
So I don't know why the police have such an urge to arrest me.
It seems quite loaded.
Legally Ordered to Leave00:14:47
And for me, I don't think you should just like waffle public order charges on a 17-year-old.
If you want to make an example of someone, do it.
So when the Essex police do get flack, it's not even more flack because you're doing it to someone underage.
Well, I saw that and I reached out to him online because I thought, you know what?
What 17-year-old has a lawyer on standby?
I sure didn't when I was 17.
And I don't know what I would have done had I been arrested when I was 17.
So I reached out to young Bob.
And by the way, we confirmed all this with his mother.
So I want to make sure you know that when I'm dealing with a minor who's technically legally a child, I'm making sure that I interact with their guardian.
So we contacted his mom to make sure that they were fine with us helping him out.
And they were.
So I flew over there just to have lunch with young Bob.
And we've got some young freelance journalists who are working out there now too.
And just to hear a little bit more about who he was and to check him out a bit.
And I tell you one thing, he checks out.
He's very passionate.
He's motivated in part by his Christian beliefs.
He's a mild-mannered guy who's got some strong opinions, it's true, but he's very law-abiding.
And this is the first interaction he's ever had with police.
And I said, young Bob, let's put together a project where we crowdfund for you.
And I already know some lawyers in the UK, as you know, because we have in the past crowdfunded for Tommy Robinson.
And believe me, we've had a lot of lawyers help with those projects over the years.
So I connected young Bob with Tana Adelman, who is one of Tommy's longest standing lawyers.
So they had a good heart to heart.
And obviously, I'm not going to tell you any confidences or privileged information, but I'm just mentioning that to you to know that we've got a good lawyer who's experienced and sympathetic to citizen journalists, because Tana has done that for Tommy for years.
They had a good heart-to-heart.
I met with young Bob, and here is the video we put together standing on Westminster Bridge, just a few feet away, maybe 10 yards away from Parliament itself.
Here, take a look.
Ezra Levant here, as you can see, I am back in jolly old England.
The Parliament building's behind us, but I'm not feeling in a jolly mood because the United Kingdom has a massive censorship campaign, and I'm not just talking about deplatforming people, kicking them off of social media.
I'm talking about arresting them.
According to the Times of London, a prestigious newspaper, 30 people are arrested by police every single day for what they write on social media.
And I'm standing next to Thomas Moffat, aka Young Bob.
That's his social media name.
He's 17 years old, and he was arrested just over a week ago.
Here's video of the police arresting him.
Take a look.
See that?
So there they're showing you.
You've been seen protesting.
you've refused to leave the area despite multiple warnings, you may have to say anything, they may call me the door.
Where's Bob under the roof?
They later are on in court.
I was making attempts to leave...
I had my Uber books on it.
So quick context there.
I was arrested for section 14 of the Public Order Act.
I attempted to leave through booking Uber and I was not part of an assembly or protest.
I was booked in for 24 hours.
Midway through the night, I was woken up and they gave me even more bullshit charges citing videos that I've done in the past.
And my bail ends at the 30th of October.
I'm not allowed in Epping.
And there's a few others that I can't really go into detail now.
All I'm going to say is, legally speaking, I am f ⁇ ed.
I don't know what to do in terms of legal representation.
Well, when I saw that, I thought, I don't think this 17-year-old has the resources to fight back.
What 17-year-old has a lawyer and knows how to push back?
So I reached out to young Bob, and we're meeting here today to talk about a crowdfunding campaign to protect him and to fight back.
Great to meet you.
I know your fans call you young Bob.
Your real name is Thomas Moffat.
It's nice to see you in person.
I appreciate the support as well.
I think optically, for Essex police, especially, it's not great to arrest the 17-year-old of the most offense of trying to book a cab.
And you accuse me of being in an area which doesn't have a section.
And the area that is sectioned, I wasn't in.
I wasn't part of an assembly or protest.
They're trying to control your civil liberties by introducing arbitrarily defined sections which control where and how you protest.
And when I was trying to leave, I very obviously had an Uber booked.
Now those are some technical terms you're using, sections and police can order you to leave and things like that.
But if you strip away some of that legal lingo, that jargon, really they didn't like the fact that you were a citizen journalist.
You've been attending a lot of these protests against the migrant hotels.
The police don't like the fact that hundreds of thousands, even millions of people are seeing your work.
And they thought, what can we do?
And in the UK, unfortunately, there's a lot of laws that police can just sort of hatch.
And they can hand you an order to leave, and if you don't, that becomes the offense.
You're not doing anything wrong.
They order you to leave if you're not leaving fast enough.
That's basically the criminal charge, isn't it?
Yeah, so in fact, people's bail conditions would even be worse.
So I was originally arrested for breach of a section 14 of the public order act, which states that a particular area that is given the section, you cannot have an assembly or protest.
So you were an assembly of one or a protest of one.
There was a one-man army who had an uber booked, who showed on several occasions the officers that I was within my means to leave.
Then they arrested me because supposedly I was protesting the area that was sectioned.
I wasn't in.
There were several other people attempting to leave within the same area.
They arrest me, they take me in custody for the full 24 hours and midway through the night they give me a further arrest for a hate crime inciting religious and racial hatred, because they suspect that on september the 5th, in which I said we should call for the deportations of economic migrants within the Bell Hotel.
Now this is an opinion across Epping in Essex and it's very clear that people within this area don't want migrants who come here.
They claim asylum even though interestingly, they're just here to economically benefit off a very vulnerable system of migration and they suspect that my political opinion, that I put that on the internet, is an arrestable offense.
You know, again you're using some reference to sections and things like that and and that's.
I'm glad you're thinking about those details.
Really, the police, it's almost like La Vrenti Berrier, the former Soviet head of secret police.
He had a saying, I don't know this, I don't know if you know this.
He said, show me the man and i'll find you the crime, by which he means there's so many laws, there's so many ways to get someone.
Just show me who you want to get and i'll cook up the, the accusation.
I think that's exactly what happened to you.
Someone said, we've got to stop young Bob from doing his journalism.
Just find a way, throw something at the wall and see if it sticks.
And the fact that you're 17.
I think they knew you.
You weren't maybe legally savvy, you probably didn't have a lawyer and uh, to hold you overnight in the police station.
They knew that would terrify.
That would terrify a man of 53 years old, let alone 17 years old.
I think they were trying to spook you, they were trying to demoralize you, they were trying to scare you.
That's what it looks like to me.
I mean, of course, isn't the first time, unfortunately.
I have been arrested for covering protests and that is always the fear tactic.
So actually for juveniles, people under the age of 18, the police within the Uk prioritize their detention and make sure that they aren't charged, making sure they're not in prison, because that ruins their future career.
And they did keep you overnight.
So what they're doing is enforcing a political crime on a young child, and that contradicts the surrounding ethos of the Metropolitan Police.
That is trying to have these people have good futures.
They're going to completely ruin my life if I'm ever charged of these two offenses.
And they want to do that to kind of make a precedent out there that citizens, journalists, and protesters can't cover and talk about migration.
I tell you, young Bob, for a man of tender years, you speak with a sophistication and a maturity, and I think they picked the wrong guy to push around.
I was worried, though, because I've seen in the UK people who don't have lawyers at all, or people who don't have strong lawyers, get railroaded.
I think of Lucy Connolly, the mum who was sentenced to 31 months for a tweet.
There really is a war on anyone who's a skeptic of mass immigration.
And you don't have to, that's not a racial thing.
You're just saying we want to enforce the law.
There's these illegal migrant boats.
To turn that into a crime, to have that, that's a mainstream political point of view, by the way.
Even the Labor Prime Minister, Kier Starmer, is talking about deportation.
So the police, I think, are being bullies.
I don't think it's a good look on the country that gave us Robert Peel's principles of policing.
I think the British police are losing their reputation, but I think it's important that you get some strong help.
And that's why I reached out to you.
As you know, Rebel News crowdfunds lawyers for people who can't afford them.
We've done that for Tommy Robinson in the past, and I offered to do that for you.
And I just want to tell you that we're not going to let you go through this alone.
I've spoken to one of the lawyers we use for Tommy Robinson's cases, Tana Edelman of Carson K, which is a solid law firm we've used for many years with Tommy.
You and her have spoken.
Now, don't tell me any details about that conversation because it's legally privileged, but just confirm for me that you've spoken for Tana and you feel like you're in good hands with her.
Yeah, and from what she said, she seems like she has a long history of dealing with protesters.
And of course, I'm quite vulnerable, although that's kind of ironic me admitting that.
I am very young.
I don't have the wisdom that many people that I'm privileged to be surrounded by have when it comes to dealing with the law.
And places like youth detention centers, they're incredibly violent.
I mean, you have to be one disturbed individual to be arrested at my age.
And you think that Islam and like this militant Islam is entrenched within adult prisons.
They're certainly more entrenched within young offenders institutes.
So if I get there with my track record of religious and political coverage, I wouldn't do too well.
So I think this is an attempt by the police state.
And of course, I always respect the lawyers that will cover me and make sure that I'm legally protected.
We've been in touch with your mom as well to make sure that she knows that we're dealing with you because you're a minor.
I want to make sure that when we're talking to you and we're offering to crowdfund, that this is okay with your mom.
And she has spoken to us on the phone.
I want to confirm that for viewers because, of course, we have to be respectful of the fact that you are indeed a minor.
You carry yourself very well, but you are a minor.
And I want to make sure that you have a guardian overlooking our work.
So basically, we are going to pay Tana's legal bill.
That's the firm Carson Kaye.
As you pointed out, she's been fighting these battles for a long time.
The way Rebel News does that is very simple.
We say to the world, if you think their treatment of young Bob is outrageous, if you think that it's political intimidation, if you think they're trying to scare him out of his citizen journalists, then let's bind together.
And you would have to be very wealthy to pay a lawyer to do this on your own.
But if we can have 100 or 1,000 people chip in five pounds, 10 pounds, even 50 pounds, together we can pay for the lawyer to get young Bob out of this pickle.
Go to saveyoungbob.co.uk.
Saveyoungbob.co.uk.
We've already come to terms with the lawyer and with you, young Bob.
I think if police know that you've got a strong lawyer and that you've got thousands of friends looking out for you and that Rebel News is going to shine a light of scrutiny on this, I'm hoping that they'll back down and think, okay, well, we can't push this guy around.
That's the theory we're working under, at least.
Yeah, like again, like you perfectly outlined, I'm the textbook example for the police, as I imagine, of someone who's vulnerable and they can chuck the whole law book out.
And I don't know.
I plead guilty to whatever crimes they're accusing me of.
So it would be absolutely great to kind of demonstrate to people that mothers, children, people who are very new to this new form of activism are now covered by historical institutes who have fought on the side of protesters.
You know, in the UK, there's a wonderful group called the Free Speech Union.
They're doing a lot of good work.
They can't take everyone.
And I think in the protest movement and the citizen journalism movement, that's something that Rebel News has a special connection to, including with our history with Tommy Robinson.
So there you have it.
Young Bob, he wants to fight for freedom.
He wants to fight for free journalism, for citizen journalism.
He was one of the journalists who covered the people's revolt in Epping against the migrant hotel there.
Police were looking for a way to shut him up.
They cooked up a scheme.
We have to stop that scheme with an excellent lawyer.
And there's no way that young Bob could afford that on his own.
That's up to you and me.
If you believe that we've got to help citizen journalists, including this young guy, I mean, look at him.
He looks like he's got to be 25.
No, he's young.
He's 17 and he needs our help.
Go to saveyoungbob.co.uk.
Thanks.
Well, there you go.
I hope it works.
I mean, I think one of the reasons they're picking on young Bob is because he's young and they want to scare him off.
And they know he doesn't have any money and they know he doesn't have any lawyers and they know he's not sophisticated in legal matters.
Well, that's where we come in.
And I'm not saying we're miracle workers, but we do know lawyers and we do know crowdfunding.
And we also have an audience.
So, I mean, young Bob does too.
But I think to give him allies, and it's my hope, frankly, that the police will drop their case against him without even finding him.
Because if they thought he was easy pickings, I think they'll know that he's got crowdfunding behind him now.
He's got a competent and experienced lawyer behind him now.
Why I Went to Hyde Park00:03:44
And Rebel News, not to toot our own horn, but we have a pretty big audience on some of these issues in particular, including in the UK.
So that's why I went over there.
Anyways, so I landed in the morning.
I immediately went to the city center.
I had lunch with young Bob and a couple other young journalists.
And then we recorded that.
And we had some time left before I had to go back to the airport.
So we went to Hyde Park, which is a lovely, London has some lovely parks.
And for a very long time, I think it's measured in centuries, there's a place in Hyde Park that they call Speaker's Corner.
And as you know, the United Kingdom has for centuries been one of the places in the world with strong freedom of speech.
And Speaker's Corner is held to be the freest of the free speech where anyone can jump up on a box or a little stepladder and just rant and just gibber talking about anything.
And so I wanted to go there because I heard there was a gathering of these people and those people.
And I was in Hyde Park when I was a kid.
I think when I was 17 or something, that was the first time I went to London.
And well, I'm not 17 anymore.
A lot of people think I am, but I'm not.
So I didn't know what to expect.
Had seen in the past that there were some conflagrations there because they allow religious freedom of speech.
So, obviously, in the UK, the fastest growing religion is Islam.
And you have people there trying to proselytize, but you also have Christians trying to proselytize.
And you have ex-Muslims who, in some ways, are the harshest critics of Islam.
Before I even got in, there's an area called Marble Arch, which is just what it sounds like.
And as you enter Hyde Park, I saw there were two large loudspeakers with constant Muslim prayers being broadcast, just chained to the gate.
Here, take a look at that.
Just, why not, eh?
Just turn the whole area into a kind of Muslim mosque.
Well, I walked in, and there were other people there, including a Christian pastor, and I went up to him, and I was just filming him quietly.
I wasn't really interacting, and he said, Hey, is that Ezra Levant?
And I thought, Isn't that funny that I'm here in London, half a world away, and one of the street preachers in London, I guess, follows rebel news.
I didn't really want to interact with him because I didn't want to change what he was up to.
I mean, I waved at him, but here's a quick moment of that, which I thought was sort of fun.
I know you.
Ezra Levant.
God bless you, sir.
God bless Ezra Levant.
Mr. Levant, I think you perhaps still need to find Jesus Christ.
So I can only preach him to you.
I love you, man.
I love the work you do.
But my prayer is that you find the Lord Jesus Christ.
Keep on doing what you're doing.
Bless you.
Anyways, there were some very dramatic pro and anti-Islam sites.
And of course, it being London, there are a lot of women wearing not just the hijab, but the full face obscuring niqab, which I find quite depressing because I think that's an infringement on the natural rights of women.
Women's Voices Under Caution00:08:35
I think it's a two-tier status.
If you're a man in Islam, the world is your oyster.
If you're a woman, you have fewer rights.
And that's not an opinion that is, in fact, Shia law.
But I knew that at the same time, there was a speech just down the path by an I don't know if feminist is the right word, but a pro-female activist named Kelly Jean Keene, Kelly J. Keene, excuse me, who goes by the nickname Posey Parker.
A lot of these Brits have a nickname, right?
Young Bob Posey Parker.
Anyhow, every month, she has a little gathering in Hyde Park where she talks about the battle against what she regards as one of the greatest threats to women, which is transgenderism.
Here's a little excerpt from her live stream.
And I just watched it in person.
I didn't record it because I saw she was.
So this is from her live stream.
Very interesting.
And she invited a lot of other people to come up and say a few words.
I learned a lot.
It's actually terrifying over there, the war against women being fought by transgender activists.
Here's a bit of Kelly J. Keene.
We have decided as women that we are bringing women back to Speaker's Corner.
And we're going to do it whether you like it or not.
It would be remiss of me if I didn't talk about the women that many men have left behind in Afghanistan who are not allowed to use their voices outside their homes and sometimes not inside their homes who are not allowed to feel the sun upon their face because their men have used a misogynist cult, a death cult called Islam to justify the mistreatment of women.
So we have come to talk about the women in Afghanistan.
Also the women in Iran who are not allowed to uncover their hair.
Also the women in Saudi Arabia who are not allowed often to uncover their faces because the men in their family are afraid of women's faces apparently.
And also in London you see more and more women with the nicab and for me I think it's time we ban the face covering that we see as normal in the United Kingdom.
It really can't be something that we accept as women or as citizens of this country as normal.
We have to really stop that.
But I want to just make sure that men here understand that women have a right to speak and we will be returning here the last Sunday of every month to take up space and to speak on behalf of the women of the United Kingdom but also the women of the world.
So today we came here to let women speak.
Thank you.
Anyways, I really enjoyed that.
I mean I've been to so many political protests in my day.
Sometimes I find them a little bit boring but this was the opposite of boring.
I found it very educational.
Anyways I walked with her back to Speaker's Corner where she gets up on a stool and says some remarks too and I tried to catch I don't know a five minute walk and talk interview with her.
I was using my selfie stick and I was bouncing around a little bit so the picture's not perfect and the audio is not perfect but I want to share with you my conversation with Posey Parker for the five minutes walking from her rally to Speaker's Corner.
Kelly Jakeen, I know you're from the internet and we have mutual friends like Chris Elston.
Tell me a little bit about your story and the women's spaces in the age of transgenderism here in the UK.
Well I've been doing this.
Oh yes thank you so much.
So I've been doing this since 2015, 2016 is when I found out this is happening.
So 2018 I put a billboard up in the UK that read the dictionary definition of the word woman.
And what happened?
It got taken down for hate speech.
Who took it down?
Prime site which was one of the largest outdoor billboard sort of spaces in the UK, maybe Europe.
So they took it down.
It got a bit of attention and obviously everything was won and we went back to normal.
Did you face any legal consequences for that?
No, no, because it wasn't hate speech.
The company just decided that they wanted to take it down.
But I think, you know, we've got the cronial laws in this country at the moment, which I'm sure you've caught on repeatedly.
But back then.
So before that, in 2018, I was the first person who takes an interview on the caution for hate speech and so on and transphobia.
So interview under caution, so that's a police interview and if you say the wrong thing, you could be charged.
Is that what you're doing?
Yeah, yeah.
So in this country, you're invited for an involuntary, for a voluntary interview.
But for a voluntary interview, they say, I'll come for an interview.
And they text me, and I have no idea that the police didn't text you.
Did you have a lawyer with you?
I did, actually.
I have a really good lawyer.
No longer with us, but amazing man called William Base, who came with a very good reputation and who's really super, super hot and had this sort of gravitas that meant he was taken seriously.
But I didn't speak in the interview, so I no commented the whole interview.
And then they tried to charge me.
CPS weren't having any of it.
And then, and the woman who actually had reported me to tweets, one of them was about frustration.
So she took her son to Thailand for his 16th birthday, and he was frustrated.
Oh my God.
So you're saying the police interviewed you under caution, but you were not actually prosecuted.
Is that what you're saying?
No.
So I've been, so I was interviewed under caution for that.
And then later on in the year, it was about having a photograph of this woman who reported me.
She ran an organization called Mermaids, which some of your audience will know, but it's like the main trans kid lobby gruesome organization in the country.
So she then reported me again.
So I was interviewed under caution again.
I've been interviewed under caution again for describing someone as a lesbian who didn't have the courage to be a lesbian.
And I was interviewed then.
I was arrested during lockdown for going and having a women's meeting in public.
And I was actually arrested in the back of a wagon.
Have you ever been convicted?
But they're harassing you.
Who is behind this?
Is it just seeping into the police force in general?
Or is there some sort of a get Kelly gene?
Well, probably both.
You remind me a little bit of my friend Tommy Robinson, always in trouble.
No, yeah.
But you have supporters.
I do.
What about the high court ruling?
There are only two sexes.
Well, I don't know if you're really familiar with this, but they just clarified.
So there was no new brand new ruling.
It wasn't a brand new law.
They just said, no, this is what the law means.
And everybody knew what the law meant until the Equality Act of 2010 and then until some sort of guidance that came out, maybe 2014, 2015, is when you really saw the stuff seep through the organizations.
And some of that will be HR departments, will be diversity and equity, sort of the inclusion policies.
That will be people who really wanted something to do with their job.
And so they just invented these policies.
But what happened significantly in the police force is in 2012, a police officer took the police to court on the basis that he considered himself a woman and he was very upset that he wasn't allowed to intimately search substance like other female officers.
And so he took the police to court.
And I think it's little cases like that that make everyone really afraid.
And so they start buckling to these bona fide versions of men, these men.
Anyways, I'm really glad I went there and it was sort of fun to be recognized by the one Christian pastor and to have a bit of a heart-to-heart with Kelly J. Keene.
New Anti-Semitism on the Right00:15:07
Anyway, I got back on the plane and here I am in Toronto.
But I want to tell you where I'm going now because I'm sort of nervous about it.
I don't generally get nervous.
I feel like there is anti-Semitism on the online right in a way that was completely absent until about a year ago.
There's always been anti-Semitism in the world.
It's enduring.
It metastasizes.
It comes out in different ways.
Typically in North America and in the UK and in the West and in Australia, anti-Semitism would be found in two quarters.
One would be academia, aka Marxism, where they look at the world in the case of oppressed and oppressors.
They used to look at Jews as the oppressed.
Right after the Holocaust, there was a lot of sympathy for Jews.
Frankly, it was one of the impetus to have the Jewish state created in 1948.
But when Israel was no longer the oppressed, when it actually won the Six-Day War in 1967, it was like the whole intellectual class turned and said, oh, so Israel is not. on its knees anymore.
The Jews are not easily bound and slaughtered as they were in the Holocaust.
They've got a country that actually defeated five Arab armies.
Well, I guess we flip it now and they're the oppressors and the billion Muslims and Arabs are the oppressed.
So that is the seeds of anti-Semitism in the intellectual West, which has been supplemented greatly in the last 10 or 20 years by mass immigration from anti-Semitic countries.
Ironically, the most anti-Semitic countries have the least Jews.
There really are no Jews in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Syria, Somalia, places like that, Algeria.
But boy, there's a lot of anti-Semites, and now Canada has 2 million of them.
And again, I didn't like it.
I hated it.
It makes me worry for the future of our country, but it was on the left.
But in the last year, I'd say, there is a new species of anti-Semitism that I've never seen in my entire life.
And it's from the online right.
And it's especially on places like Twitter and TikTok.
And I find it astonishing.
Some of it can be written off to Qatar, which is buying influencers online and isn't even really hiding that.
I was very disappointed to learn that Qatar paid $200,000 to get their prime minister on Tucker Carlson's show.
I didn't, you know, I really looked up to Tucker for the longest time, but for whatever reason, personal or financial, I don't know.
He's really been a nexus for a lot of this online anti-Semitism.
And so is Candace Owens, who was very interesting five years ago, but now it's just, holy cow, has she gone down the rabbit hole.
So I, you know, I reached out to my friend Alex Jones, who's the boss of Infowars.
I said, let me come on down.
As a friend, as an ally, I mean, sometimes rebel news is being called the InfoWars of Canada.
There's a little bit of truth to it, and we have a different style, but we cover some of the same issues.
We cover the World Economic Forum.
We were skeptics and dissidents during the COVID period and the vaccine mandates.
We were there for the truckers.
We, in a lot of ways, love freedom and are skeptical about authoritarianism and globalism.
Really, I think we are very strong on those issues.
We've even worked with InfoWars in terms of giving them daily updates when we are in Davos, etc.
I regard Alex Jones as a friend.
So I basically said, let me come down there and try and talk about this new anti-Semitism on the right, not in a scolding way and not in an attacking way, but as a friend and as an ally, as a member of the InfoWars nation.
And you know what I've discovered over the last few weeks is that there's a lot of people on the right who want to talk about what they've heard in this new wave of online anti-Semitism, but they don't have a Jewish friend, at least not one that they feel comfortable to talk politics about.
It is a fact that many Jews are on the left or liberals.
And so if I'm in conservative circles, who are they going to ask about these?
And a lot of people ask me about it.
Like, what I'm saying is a lot of right-wing Christians, mainly, ask me troubling questions or questions that trouble them about Jews, about Judaism, the religion, about Israel, because they know I'm not going to bite their head off because I'm on their side, because I'm not going to call them racist like the Anti-Defamation League does.
And I have some theories of why this anti-Semitism is sprouting again.
I have some answers to some of his particular accusations.
But really, my goal tomorrow on Infowars is to outline why anti-Semitism is not a conservative way of thinking.
I'll give you a little sneak preview.
I mean, two of my points are, first of all, to deal with people as a collective, like the Jews did this.
Well, there's not a the Jews, some Jews or a Jew, but to blame every single Jew because a particular Jew or some Jews did something and they weren't even doing it in the name of Judaism.
That's a collectivist way of thinking.
That's just not what people who believe in freedom say.
I mean, surely you don't think that Stephen Miller, Donald Trump's point person on immigration, is the same cloth as Alex Soros, son of George Soros.
I mean, yes, on paper, they're both Jewish, but they couldn't be more different, including their observance of Judaism.
So my first point is don't be a collectivist.
Don't say all Jews or the Jews if it's a Jew who does something.
And by the way, just because someone's Jewish doesn't mean what's animating them is Judaism.
I mean, it would be like if I said Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates, you know, Klaus Schwab, the head of the World Economic Forum.
What do they have in common?
Well, you would say, oh, they're globalists.
They're authoritarians.
They infringe on freedom.
But what if someone said, no, no, no, what they have in common is they believe in Christianity?
Well, that's not, I mean, yeah, maybe, but they're not really religious at all.
You know, I wouldn't even call them practicing Christians, and they may have renounced it.
I can say they're probably atheists.
But that's not the commonality.
The commonality is their political motives and tactics.
And if you said, well, those Christians, people would say you're nuts.
It's got nothing to do with their Christianity.
That's my point, is some of the toughest questions that I get asked are, well, was Jeffrey Epstein Jewish?
Well, of course he was Jewish.
I don't think he was particularly observant.
But what makes him odious was not his Jewishness, it's what he did.
Now, we can talk also about, was he a spy?
For whom was he working?
And I've got some, I don't have any inside tips, but I'm happy to talk about those things.
My point is, you wouldn't say Anthony Fauci, those Italians or those Catholics or those Christians.
You just wouldn't say that.
And you certainly wouldn't say the Catholics.
And that's going to be one of my arguments.
And the other is don't avoid personal or national responsibility for things by scapegoating the Jews.
For example, I mean, I visit Ireland from time to time, as you know.
It's about 5 million people in Ireland.
They have one of the worst immigration policies in the world.
And they have almost no Jews.
I think there's about 2,000 Jews in a country of 5 million.
So what's that?
That's 0.05%.
That's not even 1 in 1,000, right?
It's half of one in 1,000, less.
And I check, there hasn't been a Jew in the Irish Parliament in more than a decade.
There just isn't.
There's no Jews in the Irish Senate.
There's no, you know, it's just no Jews there.
And yet, how do you blame, as some do?
I encountered one, actually, he was a National Socialist in the streets of Dublin, who blamed the Jews for Ireland's woes.
How do you do that?
How do you scapegoat the Jews when there really aren't any in Ireland?
And we know who the prime minister is.
We know who the foreign minister is.
You know, there was Leo Varadkar and then there was Simon Harris and Michal Martin.
I'm just giving you an example.
I mean, why and how would you not point to your own parliament and your own senate and your own president and your own courts and your own political parties?
It's just too convenient to scapegoat the Jews.
Acknowledge that there are Jews or lapsed Jews or secular Jews who have who drive part of the world mass immigration movement.
Alex Soros is one of them.
But there's plenty of Catholics and Christians and Muslims who do that too.
It's just a little too handy to exculpate yourself and your political party and your country by saying the Jews did it.
Maybe a Jew was involved or some Jews were involved, but I think it's not a conservative way of thinking to say I'm not responsible for myself.
I'm not my parliament is not responsible for its laws.
Some cosmic Jewish forces.
Anyhow, as you can see, I haven't worked out all these ideas yet.
I'm just going into InfoWars as a friend and an ally.
And I don't know how many Jewish friends Alex has or his viewers, but my hope is that they sort of ask me anything.
My hope is that they ask me the toughest questions they can.
In fact, I sort of sent some ahead and said, well, grill me on these things and let me do my best.
Because I'm just worried that we're making some of the, the online right is starting to make some of the mistakes of the online left and the academic left and the anti-Semitic left.
And I don't like that happening.
It's not just special pleading because I'm Jewish myself.
I'm just thinking that is not how we think.
We don't blame collectives because of a particular group of people.
And we don't say, I have no personal responsibility in my life for the state of things.
I'm going to blame the Jews.
Anyways, you'll have to watch tomorrow.
I'm on at 1 p.m.
I think that's Central Time.
I'm sure we'll run excerpts from it on our channel, if not the whole thing.
That's where I'm off to, actually leaving tonight, and that's tomorrow.
I'll be back on Wednesday, and you can tell me how I did.
Anyway, speaking of anti-Semitism and Palestine and Israel, Abiy Amini, one of our reporters, our Australia bureau chief, is actually in Israel.
And he was doing different interviews here and there.
And he caught the attention of an Israeli TV station.
And he was interviewed about his journalism and his activism.
And I should say it's sort of funny because Rebel News has about 30 staff.
And I'm Jewish, of course, and Abi's Jewish, but I don't think we have other Jewish journalists.
We got Sheila and Drea.
And, you know, in fact, I'm thinking about it.
We have, you know, very Christian journalists, and we have people who are not religious.
And we actually have one writer who's Muslim.
So we have a diversity of opinions.
But I think that one thing that unites all of us is we're against violence, we're against terrorism, and I think we're against anti-Semitism and anti-Christian bigotry.
It's been a big theme.
Anyways, without further ado, let me close the show by showing you Abiy Yamini, who was interviewed by Israeli National TV.
Take a look.
Hamas just released the hostages.
When Hamas said yes to the congregation, Netanyahu said no.
That's what I love about Israel.
I think it's a free, it's a real robust democracy.
Free for the Jews.
Free for the Jews.
It's an apartheid state.
How can you say that we are the best country in the Middle East when we kill 70,000 people?
That's genocide.
You can quote me.
I believe Hamas more than I believe my prime minister.
Thank you for joining us.
Thanks for having me, Littal.
So for us in Israel, we're used to seeing those extreme leftists in demonstration.
When you're coming from Australia, hearing Israelis bashing the IDF and bashing Israel, what was your reaction to it?
We're usually here in these Christian groups, but when you're from Australia, you're talking about Israelis, how do you feel?
Look, I'll be honest, I had no idea what to expect when I went to that protest.
I've been attending protests for many years here in Australia and around the world.
The left, I'm used to dealing with them and I'm used to hearing their rhetoric.
A lot of attendees there that were leftists, and what became clear there is that they were, you know, they were anti-bibby.
And there was a question that I consistently asked all of them: Were you at the protests prior to October 7th?
Just to get an idea if they were protesting against the Netanyahu government before October 7.
And if this was, I'm not saying that they don't care about the hostages, but if this was just like an extension of the Bibi Netanyahu protest from prior to October 7th, and everybody I asked said yes.
But what shocked me about these two is the rhetoric was, I can't describe it, anything but suicidal and insane.
And the fact that they believe Hamas over Netanyahu, like you can hate Netanyahu, but to say that Hamas is a better player in this than Hamas, people that literally would love for you to die, made no sense to me.
It was insane.
Yeah, unbelievable.
And especially when you see anti-Israeli riots in Sydney and Melbourne, do you feel these Israelis are giving ammunition to the demonstrators in Australia?
Do you think the enemies of the Israeli attacks are going to destroy the attacks in Australia?
So what was interesting to me was the next day, and I've seen this throughout this war, is the same piece of footage...
One side goes, wow, look how crazy this is.
And the other side says exactly what you were alluding to, going, you see, even Israelis know that they're evil.
Even Israelis know that their own government are worse than Hamas.
To be fair to the rest of the protesters that I met that night, the rest of them all love Israel.
They may hate the government.
They still believe in the country.
They just, they're leftists, but they, you know, I saw Israeli flags, something that you won't see of left-wing protests in Australia.
You won't see Australian flags, for example.
So they didn't actually hate the country.
They just hate the government.
I think a lot of their arguments were ridiculous and made no sense and could easily be picked apart.
But that couple and that particular group that were there, those people were pushing it just as far as the biggest Jew haters.
The only other people that talk like them are people that genuinely hate Jews in Australia, people that celebrate the death of Jews.
Albanese's Recognition Controversy00:02:43
And as a Jew living in Australia, what's the general feeling of the Jewish community after last week when Albanese government declared they're recognizing a Palestinian state?
What are the feelings of the Jewish community in Australia after they met the Palestinian state?
Look, I think people have become used to being disappointed in the government.
The last two years has been an escalating anti-Israel policy by the Albanese government.
I think people are hurt, sad, and scared.
And I think you're probably going to see many more Aliyah from Australia to Israel, which is to me, I know Israelis might be happy with that.
To me, that's sad.
Okay, they're always welcome here, Avi Amini.
I want to thank you for this interview and for all of your great work that you're doing, raising the awareness of everything that is happening in Israel.
Thank you, Lital.
All right, well, let me close the show with letters because I don't think I did that the other day.
Here's a letter on the UN and Benjamin Netanyahu.
Fuyu 4163 says, This just proves that the UN should be closed down.
The corruption is huge, and you can't trust an organization like the UN.
Well, another point is the UN is dominated by dictatorships.
I mean, I'm not just talking about some of the most powerful countries like China and Russia, but, you know, out of the 53 or so countries in Africa, how many of them would even meet the test of being a real democracy?
Like, would it even be five?
I don't know.
So just because a dictatorship walks out to embarrass Netanyahu, I'm not sure if that's an important moral vote.
SETI 69 says New Zealand refused to recognize Palestine two days ago at the UN.
As a Kiwi, I'm proud we are holding off.
As Kipling said, if you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs.
You're exactly right.
Here's a short clip of them making their case.
Take a look.
I was very happy to see this.
Palestinian statehood now would serve as little more than an existential act of defiance against an unalterable state of affairs.
We are not ready to make that gesture.
Rather, the New Zealand government believes that it has one opportunity to recognize Palestinian statehood, and it would make better sense to do so when conditions offer greater prospects for peace and negotiation than at present.
Yeah, it's very different than Jacinda Ardern.
You know, she would have been wearing a kefiya if she were the prime minister.
Crime Waves Destroy Quality of Life00:00:35
Here's a letter from Hoof Harden, who says, Welcome to Canada, where everything is censored except crime.
Oh, I'm really worried about crime because, you know, it destroys our quality of life.
It asks us to accept that as the new normal.
And I think one of the crime waves is a very political crime wave.
It's an anti-Semitic crime wave.
And I think that's one of the reasons why the police are generally not enforcing the law is because they're politically directed not to, which is sort of crazy.