Sheila Gunn-Reid exposes Public Safety Minister Gary Nandesangri’s leaked confession: Canada’s $742M "gun buyback" program—targeting 152,000 firearms, including 126,000 previously restricted models like ARs and 50 cals—is politically motivated, coercive, and risks criminalizing non-compliance. Alberta and Saskatchewan resist federal overreach, while Gunn-Reid warns of deliberate provocation to justify enforcement against lawful owners. Contrasting YouGov data shows young conservatives (8%) far less likely than liberals (30%) to endorse political violence, yet the program fractures unity. Gunn-Reid urges support for CCFR (ccfr.ca) and pressure on Ottawa, hinting an election could dismantle the Liberal push before it escalates further. [Automatically generated summary]
What's been going on with the gun grab while I was away in Edgewood, BC at the Battle of the Birds?
I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gun Show.
If you're a regular viewer of The Gun Show,
you know that I sort of smushed something together for you this week on Wednesday because I was in Edgewood, BC with no cell service.
working around the clock with my friend Drea Humphrey to cover what I've been calling the Battle of the Birds, the fight to keep 400 otherwise healthy ostriches owned by Universal Ostrich Farms safe and alive, protected from the hands of assassins who work for the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, the CFIA.
The CFIA has a complete cull order on the birds as part of a stamping out policy for avian flu.
The birds were exposed to avian flu as I filmed this 255 days ago.
And the ones that remain have antibodies and they are not sick.
And they don't pose a threat to public health at all.
You can tell by the amount of people that are constantly at the farm who are not in PPE and who have not become sick, including me, but a lot of RCMP officers too.
So that's what I was doing.
And as I said, we were really struggling with internet connection there and upload speeds.
But I was able to film an intro and an outro to a live stream while I was waiting on the ferry somewhere near Nakusp, British Columbia.
So there was something there for you.
In 10 years of the gun show, I've never, ever, ever missed a show.
And as I said, I'm not going to have those ostrich assassins at the CFIA be the reason I start now.
So you were patient with me and I thought maybe I could do a little something for you viewers at home because the show I gave you was not new content.
It was the live stream from earlier that day and you deserve better.
You support our work and you're faithful supporters of my work and I want to make sure that I rise to the occasion for you.
Buyback Program Costs00:15:02
So I had an extra show for you this week.
I planned an extra show.
We threw it together while I was on my way home.
I got home.
It's Thursday as I'm filming this.
In the early hours of Thursday morning, my friend Rod Giltaka of the CCFR, the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights, agreed to join me to update me,
but also you, in a lot of the moving parts of this latest scandal with Public Safety Minister Gary Hernandez Angeri, who accidentally told the truth to a tenant in one of his properties about the gun grab.
Then he said he was joking.
And now we have a very limited pot of money to go towards the buyback program, which of course is not a buyback program at all.
So what happens when all that money is gone?
Do the liberals know how many guns they are supposed to be buying back?
No, they don't.
And what's happening with police forces across the country?
Some are participating, some aren't.
So here's the interview I recorded just moments ago with Rod Giltaka from the CCFR.
Take a listen.
Joining me now is Rod Giltaka of the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights.
And I don't know about you, but I've been in the ostrich universe for the better part of this week.
So, I have missed a lot.
I've been, of course, as a firearms owner, I'm watching out of the corner of my eye about what's happening with the so-called gun buyback, which is not a buyback at all, but a confiscation with maybe compensation.
Maybe.
If you're one of the first people to turn in your guns, I guess you'll get compensation.
But things are changing.
You know, we had leaked audio, then Gary Nanda Sangri, our public safety minister, said, Oh, just Josh and you.
And then now we fight, we have the police forces say they're not going to participate, they've got better things to do.
And then other police forces saying, We are proud to stand up for law and order and take your guns on behalf of Gary Ana Sangri.
So I'm glad Rod is here because I think he needs to bring me up to speed.
Rod, let's start from the beginning.
I know Tracy was on Ezra's show this week, but sometimes I don't always watch Ezra's show.
And sometimes our viewers don't always get all of Ezra's show.
So let's start at the very beginning.
We get leaked audio from our public safety minister, Gary Nandesangri, saying that he wishes, I guess, that the gun buyback wasn't happening because I think he thinks even he thinks it's politically toxic.
Well, I guess the easy rundown of what he said in this conversation was: don't ask me to explain the logic to you.
Basically, telling this gun owner that there is no logic to this program.
He says this is about votes in Quebec, admits that.
He admits that Carney said, you know, views this as an election promise and that it just has to be followed through for some reason.
And then he goes even further when the gun owner says, if I don't comply, well, I guess there's an argument about it being voluntary.
And he says, no, it's voluntary.
You don't have to comply.
And he's like, well, if I don't comply, I'm going to go to jail.
And he says, well, I will bail you out.
So this is a tenant of Gary's.
Apparently, Gary has some rental properties, hasn't been keeping up with the repairs.
So this individual who's a gun owner records this conversation because it's actually about his rental.
And then Gary launches into this conversation about the buyback.
And then it gets even worse because the gun owner then complains or previously complains, Well, the pricing that you're giving is not going to cover my costs.
I thought we were, I thought none of this was our fault and we were going to get compensated for this because this is all your idea.
And he says, well, don't worry.
I will pay the difference out of my pocket to you.
And then, of course, when he gets caught, because liberals always tell the truth when they think no one's listening, then he's like, oh, yeah, I was just joking.
Their first reflex, Sheila.
Sorry for going on and on.
No, please do.
This is really important.
The first reflex that these people have is to lie.
I don't even think they think about an answer.
They're just like, come up with some lie and take no accountability for what you've done.
And it's been going on and on and on for days.
And the lie is so stupid.
Like, it's so stupid.
It's an insult to the intelligence of Canadians.
You know, as it turns out, the gun buyback, and I'm going to say it in scare quotes till the day I die, it's set to launch in Cape Breton.
And there's a budget cap of $742 million to compensate gun owners who will voluntarily, whatever that means, turn in their now banned firearms.
But what happens after the $742 million is gone?
You know, like people like me are reluctant to, and I say that with the big, big capital letters, reluctant as in never, reluctant to participate in this program.
So if you are not an early adopter of the liberals' coercion, you're going to get screwed in the end.
This is a really, really big deal.
So overall, anyone in media hasn't, they haven't quite caught on to this yet.
And this has to be discussed.
So we were in a technical briefing with public safety over what the buyback is going to look like.
So it's going to take a second to explain, but it is a major conspiracy/slash scandal, like really big and dangerous.
And I don't say that lightly.
So we're in this technical briefing.
And they're like, this is a capped program with a capped budget of $742 million.
The budget has already been dipped into for the retail buyback.
And I said, okay, well, what happens when the budget runs out?
They're like, we don't pay any compensation.
So that means that the people that have exposed what they have to the government through this portal, then that means that they are just going to have to provide their firearms to the government with no compensation or deactivate them at anywhere from $400 to $700 each out of their pocket or export them to,
I don't know where, or hang on to them and have this criminal offense or a series of multiple counts of criminal offense hanging over their head for the rest of their lives.
Now, this is the interesting thing.
So I said, okay, well, how far does $742 million or whatever, right?
7, 650, whatever's left.
How far does that go?
And public safety says, it's for 152,000 firearms.
And I'm like, 152,000?
There's like 90,000 ARs.
Right.
And he's like, yeah, restricted firearms, previously restricted firearms that are now prohib.
We know that number because we have those records, 126,000.
And then plus there's the retail buyback.
And I'm like, so you're budgeting for another 20,000 firearms?
And he's like, yeah, we're pretty confident in that number.
I'm like, I'm like, wait a second.
All of the 22s, the GSG 16s out there, all the Ruger PC carbines, all the 50 cals that go for 7,000 to 20,000 apiece, the double barrel rifles out there that are like $100,000.
There are probably hundreds and hundreds of thousands of these firearms out there.
And you intend to compensate people for 20,000?
And he goes, well, we're confident in this number.
And I, unfortunately, I called it the way I saw it, which is I said, this is diabolical because what they're trying to do is create a race, right?
So all of us are sitting there.
They're like, okay, the portal's open.
Everyone runs in there, tells the government what they have.
They agree.
And you don't know whether you're going to get compensation until weeks or months later.
Then they roll out their 20,000 firearm checks, right?
And everyone else is like, we know what you have.
You turn it in for free or you're going to go to jail.
And what's interesting, and it took me a couple of days and reading a few tweets and having to kind of move this around in my head.
And this is the scary part.
I think they're doing this on purpose.
They want everyone to run in, tell them what they have, and then they want non-compliance, especially with people like me or you, because then they'll say, and Anda Sangeri said in this conversation, don't worry, the police aren't going to enforce it.
They'll sit there and it's like, Rod, you shut your mouth.
If you become a problem, we have you admitting that you have these guns in your home attached to your license, and we will serve a search warrant, turn your house upside down.
Maybe you'll be Roger Kotenkoed in the process.
So if you don't want that to happen, you just shut your mouth or a hate speech charge after that.
So this is truly diabolical.
This is going back on what they said.
I mean, as if that's even a factor.
But yeah, it's hard to believe that they're even this bold to do this.
This is some sinister liberal garbage.
Like this, the gun grab is bad enough.
And also, let's also consider that they are shoehorning guns onto that list all the time still.
So they're capping it in at 20,000.
And they couldn't possibly know that number because they were non-restricted and then all of a sudden prohib just like that.
So they don't know that number.
They don't have that data.
They're just guessing.
But they are also adding guns to that number all the time.
They're creating scarcity and urgency and they're going to use it against firearms owners if they participate in peaceful civil disobedience.
And now they want the SKS on there.
I bet you a million SKSs in Canada.
Of course they do.
That's everybody's first gun show rifle because it's cheap.
It's customizable.
It's cheap to shoot.
And they know that.
They know that.
This is just an absolute nightmare.
Every time they announce something, it gets even worse.
And they are, as he said, willing to screw the entire country over to buy votes in Quebec.
And we knew that when they hand-selected the head of Paulis's Viant, Natalie Provo, to be one of their candidates there.
I knew that that meant that they were going to not just continue with Justin Trudeau's gun grab, but lean harder into it.
And this is what we're seeing.
Yeah.
The notion of them not wanting compliance and wanting something to hold over the heads of probably two or three or 400,000 Canadians.
Like I would, you know, I don't like to jump on things like that.
And it's like, oh, this is what they want.
They want non-compliance.
They want to be able to raid your home and put you in handcuffs and destroy your life.
Like for people like you and me, a criminal charge, a weapons charge, much less whatever.
How many people, how many guns do people have that are on this list?
You know, like what 16 of them?
Yeah.
16 counts of unauthorized possession of a prohibited firearm.
That's that equals machine gun in the eyes of the law.
You know, I would, you know, I'm reluctant to believe, oh, yeah, the government wants this.
They absolutely want it.
These people are not stupid.
They're doing this for a reason.
And I normally don't talk like this, but holy smokes, man.
I can't even believe it myself.
Yeah, it's not a conspiracy theory when it turns into a conspiracy fact real quick.
I mean, this is the same sinister and as you say, diabolical, what a great word for this government that froze people's bank accounts because they supported a peaceful resistance movement.
You think they wouldn't hang a criminal charge or several criminal charges over your head just to shut you up because you're a thorn in the side of the government?
Absolutely they would.
Oh, yeah.
I'm sure they'll be coming after me and you and everyone else that is law-abiding.
That, you know, like a criminal charge like this would destroy my life.
Yep.
And of course, criminals, like none of this has anything to do with criminals.
It doesn't affect the lives of criminals one iota.
But even if it did, the criminals are like, yeah, add it to my rap sheet.
That gives me credibility in jail anyway.
Like it's, it doesn't even register in the minds of people that would hurt other people.
Only to people like us, the producing, law-abiding, beneficial aspect of Canadian society directly targeted.
So, I don't know.
At this point in our system, obviously, the only thing that can pull this back is a majority or a minority government.
That's the only thing that can stop this, other than trying to wreck everything, some big civil war, but it's going to destroy everything we built over 150 years.
It's going to create a big power vacuum.
Like, people talk like that, but it's, I don't know that you want the reality there.
So, that is the only way out is somehow getting a hold of the government and the system as it is today.
And I don't know when that's going to happen.
I guess there's a silver lining in some of this: that depending on which province that you're in, and Doug Ford's province is shockingly conservative on this issue, which surprised even me.
But as we earlier discussed, the rollout of this program is starting in Cape Breton.
Apparently, the police there have agreed to participate in this, but Ontario has said they're not going to direct their police resources to any sort of gun grab.
Alberta has said repeatedly: look, we're not doing this.
We've got actual bad guys to harass and not our friends and neighbors.
But British Columbia has said, Yeah, sure, we're proud to stand up for the law, I guess, even if it's a bad law.
I mean, BC has a crime problem, a gang problem, a fentanyl super lab problem that has thrown a monkey wrench into our relationship with the Americans.
Cartels.
Cartels.
And yet, this is where the BC government, led by the NDP, would see fit to direct their police resources.
It won't make one bit of difference in crime on PCA.
Yeah, they're absolute lunatics.
Yeah.
Total lunatics.
Like, this has gone so far beyond a difference of opinion or different politics.
It's gone so far beyond all that.
Alberta's Gun Owners Battle00:08:40
I don't, yeah, I don't know.
I don't know how it gets turned around.
I just don't know.
I think Saskatchewan has said the same thing.
I don't want to leave them out because they've really sort of been leading the way.
Honestly, Alberta's been stealing their good ideas for a while.
And I say that as an Albertan, you know, like having a chief firearms officer, having an associate minister fighting with the federal government, being strong on the carbon tax.
A lot of good ideas come out of Saskatchewan where they're just a little bit less showboat-y than Alberta is.
But I'm happy that there are some provinces where it is still safe to be a firearms owner, but I would hate to be somebody in the interior of BC where firearms ownership is a way of life being treated like a gangster in the lower mainland.
Yeah, and I think it's really important for people to know kind of what's going on with the Alberta government with their proposals.
They have obviously the legislation that prevents confiscation agents, and they're working on the Alberta firearms license.
So I have met with the Alberta government one week ago.
And the problem is, and people should know this because this is important, especially if you're in Alberta.
The problem is this is very complicated, and the Alberta government is working on it.
I know people get frustrated and they lose their patience, and now they want to lash out at even their allies in the Alberta government.
You've got to be really careful about that.
So I'll tell you what the problem is.
The problem is that the province has jurisdiction over property rights.
The federal government has jurisdiction over criminal behavior, in this case, the Criminal Code and the Firearms Act.
If you are in peaceful possession of a firearm in Alberta, no problem.
That's the jurisdiction of the province.
The issue is, if the federal government ends the amnesty, everyone that has these firearms are now in unlawful, unauthorized possession of a prohibited firearm.
That triggers the criminal code.
And now, even let's say the Calgary police are obligated to serve a warrant on your home because now you are actually truly a criminal.
So it doesn't, an Alberta firearms license doesn't protect you.
Now they're working on it, but this is, I just want people to understand these are very complicated problems.
Your government is working on it, but it's not something they can do in a week or just scratch a note on a piece of paper and file it in the legislature, right?
So you got to be patient, keep the pressure up, but don't cut your nose off to spite your face.
And that happens in the firearm community.
It's happening all over the place.
Be really careful that you have a plan for both success and failure in your political goals so that you don't end up hurting yourself later.
Because the last thing you want is if, let's say, and I was just mentioning this at the conference on the weekend, if there's a bid for independence in Alberta, and I think a lot of people are going all in on independence.
Don't worry, it's going to happen.
And we can beat up on the UCP if they're not working fast enough.
Well, what happens if you are unsuccessful in leaving Confederation?
Now you beat up on the party that was helping you in so many ways.
Then there's an election and you end up with the NDP and you think you're hurting now.
You'll be hurting a lot worse then.
Right.
That's such a great point.
I do know the UCP is working very hard behind the scenes to protect law-abiding Canadian gun owners in a way that I don't think the other provinces really are.
They're being as creative as they possibly can on this issue, but they do find themselves in this zone of competing jurisdiction.
And, you know, there is, the firearms community does feel a sense of urgency, especially when, you know, there's the payout system will run out of money very quickly.
And so, yeah, I get why they would stop and direct that urgency to the United Conservative Party because the United Conservative Party has been responsive to them when it's pretty clear that the liberals couldn't give a damn about us.
Yeah, it's a difficult situation.
It's very nuanced, right?
Yeah.
And as I said, we have the same problem in the firearms community.
People are so frustrated.
They're so angry.
It's like, yeah, and absolutely justifiably so, but they turn around and they start beating up on their allies, right?
And throwing out all these purity tests.
So if you, you know, people are saying to the CCFR, you know, you should be advocating noncompliance.
Like, I can't counsel you to commit a criminal offense because that's a problem for me.
And if the CCFR goes down, that's a real problem for all gun owners.
Right.
So it's like you got to, and I mean, I'm telling, it's almost like I'm telling you this, Sheila, because I'm telling myself you got to take it easy, take it down a couple notches, think about your situation, how you're going to solve this problem, what your options are.
And the last thing we need is division in our community.
We just need to keep pushing forward.
And I'm hoping that if you asked me four months ago, I would have said this government's going to last three years and they're going to, whatever, finish the job that Trudeau started.
But more and more, I'm thinking this government might not last another year.
And that's going to be our Hail Mary.
So hopefully we can get an election.
We can elect a minority or majority government, worse and all, but we can work within the party to get things headed in the right direction.
And maybe we'll be able to get out of this without things getting worse than they are right now.
Right.
Yeah.
Sometimes in the pursuit of perfection, people end up with failure.
And I don't want that because I really don't think it could possibly be worse than it is right now.
Maybe an NDP government.
But also, what's the difference between the liberals and an NDP government right now anyway?
I'm glad to hear that you're hopeful that this government might not last.
I mean, this Gary Ananda Sangri business is becoming a real problem for Mark Carney.
He said he stands with the minister.
And I still don't understand why Gary N. Sangri is the minister at all, given his ties to Tamil extremism that were so deep that the Sri Lankan foreign ministry warned us about it back when his nomination papers were signed the better part of a decade ago.
So I think maybe Gary Nann Sangri was selected because he was just dumb enough to do the job without asking questions.
Exactly.
He was selected for the same reason Marco Mendocino was selected.
Yes.
They just needed some dum-dum to throw in there to get tarred and feathered, right, by the press, by gunners, whatever, just to be a placeholder to be tossed aside and backbenched later once he's been used up and just keep this whole disarmament campaign going.
So that's, you know, I mean, you have really two kinds of ministers, right?
You have the dum-dums, and I, you know, I usually don't use language like that, but it is what it is, like Gary and Mendocino.
Fraser.
And then you have the foot soldiers, right?
Like Bill Blair.
Yeah, Dominic LeBlanc.
Yeah, these are seriously bad people.
And this is how they keep that agenda rolling forward.
On that dark note, Rod, thank you so much for giving me some time to explain this to me because as I said, I've been in the ostrich universe for a few days.
But please tell us about what the CCFR is working on right now and how people can get involved because you do very important work constantly.
We might not hear about all the work that you're doing, but I know you and Tracy are constantly grinding the gears behind the scenes on behalf of law-abiding Canadians.
Well, our last project was our election project.
We were the fifth largest third-party advertiser in the entire country.
Larger advertising budget that we spent on the election than even most of the public sector unions in Canada.
So that's unprecedented.
This last election was the most important in a generation.
So we stepped up.
We even had TV ads during the Stanley Cup playoffs.
Very difficult actually to do that, much less expensive.
So we do have a Hail Mary project coming up, probably the biggest thing we've ever done.
Liberals And Violence00:06:47
We're working on that now.
But anyway, if you want to help the CCFR continue to punch the government in the face, you can do that at ccfr.ca, become a member or donate.
Yes, and you guys have a great merch store too.
Like that's it's a great way to show your support for the firearms community.
Just, you know, quite literally wear it on your sleeve.
And the shirts are fun.
Tracy sends me a few every now and then, and I just love them, but I have to fight my daughters for them.
So the CCFR merch store is wonderful.
Rod, thanks so much for coming on the show.
I appreciate all the work that you do on behalf of law-abiding Canadians, whether they're a member of the CCFR or not.
You're fighting for the firearms community and you're so right.
Now is not the time for division and purity tests.
We all need to work in the right direction to make sure that we can still hang on to our hunting and sports shooting heritage.
Yeah, I really appreciate the opportunity, Sheila.
Thanks, Ron.
As always, in a regular gun show, the last portion of the show goes to you.
I give you my email address right now.
It's Sheila at RebelNews.com.
If you've got something to say about the show with Rod or any of the work that we do at Rebel News and you want me to potentially read your letter on air, send me an email.
Again, that's Sheila at RebelNews.com.
Please put gun show letters in the subject line so I know why you're emailing me because I sometimes, depending on the controversial thing that I've said or is happening in the world that you think you need to tell me about, I can get like hundreds of emails a day.
So it just helps me find you and what you have to say if you just put gun show letters in the subject line.
Now, today's gun show comes to me by way of Terrence Rollick in Lacombe, Alberta.
And he says, Hi, Sheila.
The recent Charlie Kirk tragedy allowed me to finally grasp the woke left's obsession with civil disarmament.
Isn't this a providential email?
Because we're just talking about civil disarmament with Rod.
And you sent me an email last week about civil disarmament.
The conservatives believe that law-abiding licensed gun owners possess firearms for hunting, sports shooting, and self-defense in extreme situations where preservation of themselves and their loved ones leaves them with no other choice.
The radical left believes, as has been so clearly shown, that firearms serve to eliminate those who disagree with them.
This seems to be so ingrained in their ideology that they firmly believe that the right wing must naturally feel the same way about them.
Hence, firearms must be removed from society for the sake of preserving the woke left.
So the liberals are willing to spend billions of taxpayer dollars just to allow them this dubious sense of security.
Such paranoia makes no sense, but then nothing the woke left has done has ever made sense to me.
Cheers, Terrence.
You know, Terrence, that's such a great point that the liberals, and I don't mean the liberal government, I mean the liberals, people on the other side of the argument from us, they don't understand us because they think a certain way about the world and they think that we must be the same.
And yes, it's true.
You know, when we see this rise of left-wing violence with firearms, and even the Atlantic is saying that now, that yes, the left has a violence problem.
And so, you know, the Atlantic is not actually a very conservative publication by any stretch of the imagination, but they are saying it now.
So even the left is admitting it.
But I think you have, there's some truth to what you're saying there, where the left knows that they have an inherent violence problem and they probably shouldn't have access to firearms.
So we must be like them.
We must have the same defects, impulses to violence, and we just don't.
And actually, there's some data that plays that out.
I think it's from YouGov. Michael Knowles talked about it on his show this week.
And the reason I know that is because I had a very long drive home from the ostrich farm and I just listened to Michael Knowles talk about this, where young conservatives, like the youngest conservatives, like 18 to 35, when asked if they think that there is ever a reason to use violence to achieve their political gains, they are the least likely to say yes.
Like it's 8%, something like that.
And then the moderates are a little more than that.
And then the liberals, I think it's like 30% of young liberals think it's okay to use violence to achieve political ends, which is, you know, kind of the definition of terrorism.
So 30% of young liberals today think terrorism is justified to achieve their political ends.
That's a problem.
And that's why they want to ban guns from us because they think we have the same defective impulses to violence that they do.
And we just don't.
And the point I was going to make is that we see this all the time with helping the underprivileged, right?
We as conservatives, whether it be through our religious motivations or a sense of moral obligation to our community or whatever, we like to give charity voluntarily to the charities we want to give to, to the people that we want to help.
The liberals want the state to do that because they won't do it voluntarily, right?
The liberals want all these enormous social programs paid for by our tax dollars because they know that they won't donate to charities out of the goodness of their heart.
They just don't have that in them the way that conservatives do.
So that's why they are like the government should do it because they cannot appropriately govern themselves.
And here's where we are in society.
What, as I said, providential viewer email to me, not just on this topic, but this things that we're seeing in the world today.
It's absolutely true.
And interestingly enough, I just listened to the Michael Knowles show Wednesday's Michael Knowles show.
Absolutely True Insights00:00:55
If you get a chance, please listen because he breaks down all this data.
And I was like, as you get lower in age, the conservative impulse to violence actually gets lower and the liberal impulse to violence actually gets higher.
It's fascinating, but absolutely true.
And yet, they keep saying that we are responsible for all the political violence.
And the data just doesn't support that.
They know it.
All right.
Well, everybody, that's the show for today.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
Thank you for your patience with me this week and to Olivia behind the scenes who is going to do extra work because I insist on doing extra work to produce the show.
Thank you, Olivia.
And I'll see everybody back here in the same time.
God knows if it's the same place next week.
I could be back at the ostrich farm, but I will be doing my work no matter what I'm doing.