Sheila Gunn-Reid and the National Firearms Association (NFA) expose Liberal Party hypocrisy, with Bill Blair and Mark Carney pushing flawed gun policies targeting law-abiding owners while ignoring gang violence and illegal smuggling. RCMP bureaucrats ban compliant firearms like Lockhart Tactical’s Raven and Crusader Arms’ Crypto arbitrarily, risking jobs and businesses. The NFA’s "Save Our Guns" initiative counters estate seizures and red flag laws with secure storage, while their May AGM unites gun rights advocates, constitutionalists, and freedom-minded allies—challenging the narrative that firearms ownership is a partisan issue. [Automatically generated summary]
Two new sneaky gun bans and a radical anti-gun candidate.
What do the Liberals have in store for Canada's firearms-owning community?
I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gun Show.
Well, this past week, as you're watching this, Bill Blair, the former police chief who oversaw the explosion of violent crime in Toronto, turned Liberal Party cabinet minister.
has decided that even after 10 years of failing Canadians on the public safety file, the Liberals have finally figured it out and they know what they need to do to keep us safe.
And it is more gun bans.
Now, they have been imposing gun bans on us since at least 2020, and they actually haven't taken guns from the hands of Canadian firearms owners.
It's almost like they know that it is simply for show, and we aren't the bad guys.
But I'm tired of being scapegoated, and the selection of provo from Pauli Sisuviant as Mark Carney's Liberal Party candidate means that the Liberals might actually take the guns from us.
So last week I had on the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights to talk about this issue.
This week I'm having on the National Firearms Association.
So joining me now in an interview we actually recorded last Friday, because if you're watching this, I'm in Montreal for the elections debates is Rick Igersich.
Take a listen.
Joining me now is good friend of the show and good friend of Rebel News and good friend of Freedom Everywhere, Rick Igersich from the National Firearms Association.
I wanted to have Rick on the show as we're recording this Friday morning because on Thursday the Liberals dusted off their favorite or maybe second favorite wedge issue to bash Canadians over the head with and that is firearms policy.
And when the Liberals talk about firearms policy, they mean firearms bans.
Bill Blair was the point man in this.
He is the former police chief of Toronto who oversaw the explosion of gang violence there.
Now he's the man the Liberals have tasked with making Canada safer.
And we note that Bill Blair announced a key plank in his public safety platform.
That's something that's been in the law for, I don't know, upwards of 30 years, but leave it to the firearms gun grabbers to not know what's actually in the law and what actually affects the people there.
Our government has promised Canadians that we will do everything required to keep them safe.
And we have also promised Canadians that we would strengthen gun control in this country.
And let me be very clear.
This is not directed towards the firearms that are used by hunters and sports shooters in Canada.
Those hunters and sports shooters obey our laws, obey our laws, and they earn the privilege of firearm ownership through their hard work.
They buy their guns legally, they store them safely, they use them responsibly, and they follow all of our laws.
But we also know that there are other firearms that have no place in Canadian society.
We know that those firearms have been used, they were designed to kill people, and they have been used to kill people here in Canada, at École Polytechnique, at Port-au-Pique, in Moncton, in Fredericton, in Meyerthorpe, and in places right across this country.
And they are used every single day in the United States to kill people.
Mr. Polyev has promised the gun lobby that he will weaken our gun laws.
Mr. Polyev has promised the gun lobby that he will restore the legality of assault rifles in our communities.
And he's promised the gun lobby that he will give us American-style gun laws.
Canada is not America.
And we need to stand up for our country, our values, and our beliefs.
And we need to do everything possible to keep our communities safe.
Rick, break down what happened Thursday in the Liberals' firearms policy announcement.
Well, thanks for having me on your show, Sheila.
Thursday, Mark Carney, well, actually, this is the second time he made this announcement.
He made the announcement in the French debate where he says he's going to continue the gun bans and the gun seizures.
But on Thursday, he decided to do a high-profile event with Natalie Provost, the non-lobbyist lobbyist for the Liberals who's now running for the Liberals, and Bill Blair, to basically say that he's going to put a law out there that if there's any intimate partner violence,
his words that he's going to clamp down hard on it, although the law has been in place, like Sheila said, for 30 years.
Terrorists are not the only American policies that are threatening our economy and our society.
They're also threatening the safety of our communities.
Criminals are taking advantage of irresponsible American gun laws and their weak border enforcement to bring illegal guns into Canada.
Large American online platforms have become seas of racism, misogyny, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, and hate in all its forms.
And they're being used by criminals to harm our children.
My government will act.
And today we're announcing our plan to fight crime, to protect Canadians, and to build communities that are safe, secure, and strong.
A plan to make Canada secure, to make Canada strong.
Criminals are trying to illegally import guns to Canada.
Pierre Polyev is trying to import irresponsible American-style gun laws into our country.
You can't be serious about being tough on crime if you're not willing to be tough on guns.
You can't be serious about stopping intimate partner violence without being serious about gun control.
When we know, when we know from our own tragic history how often guns are involved, we are taking action, all while respecting the long-standing traditions of hunting and sports shooting and respecting the traditions of Indigenous peoples.
If elected, my government will automatically revoke gun licenses for individuals convicted of violence, offenses, including intimate partner violence.
We will strengthen firearms licensing and the so-called yellow and red flag laws that keep weapons out of the hands of those who are a risk to themselves or others.
We will invest in the RCMP's National Forensic Laboratories in Ottawa and Surrey and the Saskatchewan Ballistics Lab to increase our capacity to track down guns used in crimes.
We will quickly, and I mean quickly, reinvigorate the buyback of assault-style firearms and leave the classification of new firearm models to the RCMP, to the experts, not to the gun industry.
No new guns should come into this country before they have been examined and classified by those experts.
We must stem the tide of illegal guns and drugs coming across our border with the United States.
But Mark Carney, I think, more grasping at straws than anything.
And I said this from the start, there's going to be a point in this election campaign where the liberals bring firearms in as a wedge issue.
We were just waiting for the minute to happen.
And guess what?
It happened the other day.
So in this big event with Natalie Provost and Bill Blair, instead of really, you know, talking about the root of the issue, the gang violence, the smuggled guns, they decided, again, to go after law-abiding Canadians, law-abiding, freedom-loving Canadians who like their personal property in a direct attack as an election issue.
And in my opinion, all this is, is just another ploy to try to get them votes.
Yeah, I mean, I can't tell if Mark Carney is ignorant on firearms laws or if he is counting on the ignorance of other people.
I guess it's dealers' choice.
It doesn't matter either way.
It's cynical and ridiculous because this law that prevents people who are even charged with intimate partner violence from having their firearms has been in place for, I guess, ever since PAL and our PAL system existed.
For example, if you are filing for your renewal for your gun license or applying for the first time, you have to give what names and phone numbers of what the government describes as conjugal partners so that the government can contact them and they interview them, your exes.
They interview your exes to get permission from your exes for you to own your firearms.
And so this is the sort of invasive background check that firearms owners have to subject them to just to lawfully enjoy their property.
And we are checked for violence every single day that we have a firearms license.
Our backgrounds are checked every single day.
So this is in place.
It's invasive and it's already there.
But I can't tell if Mark Carney doesn't know or if he's counting on other people not knowing.
Yeah, well, you know, conjugal partners, you know, that could leaves it wide open.
They didn't use the word spouse.
And, you know, if it's ridiculous, you know, how personal do they really want to get as far as, well, you know, with Bill C-71 and the background checks basically going back to when you were born and with this conjugal partner thing, it's ridiculous.
You know, we don't have any freedoms anymore.
And the thing is, firearms owners are vetted every day.
We're law-abiding Canadians.
We're vetted.
We do have that license, which is more or less a stay-out-of-jail free card, because if you don't have one and you have firearms, you're slated as a criminal.
And Mark Carney, he made a statement the other day also.
And this was actually in the French liberal debate.
He said, Poly Ev will have people running around the street with AR-15s.
We need to get the buyback going.
What kind of statement is that?
You know, we had the background checks.
We're not going to take our AR-15s and be carrying them on our backs on the street.
This man, in my opinion, hasn't got a clue about the firearms issue.
I don't think he realizes what's really going on.
And he's taking advice from people from gun banners.
Natalie Provost, prime example.
You know, she says she was never a lobbyist.
She never did anything as far as lobbying goes.
But you look at her, that's all she's done in the last bunch of years.
And now the liberals, as a reward, I guess, gave her a position to run in the federal election.
Yeah, I mean, what Mark Carney announced yesterday, that he's going to, you know, take firearms away from people who have been accused of intimate partner violence.
That's like saying he's going to make drunk driving illegal.
Like it's already illegal.
It's the dumbest thing.
If your spouse or your conjugal partner so much as calls an RCMP hotline, your guns will be taken away unilaterally.
You do not have a choice in many instances.
No conviction, sometimes not even charges.
And we have zero privacy as firearms owners.
But as you rightly point out, the selection of Natalie Provo to run as a candidate for the liberals was an indication to me that not only was Mark Carney going to be as bad as Justin Trudeau, I knew he was going to be worse because Natalie Provo, while she is a survivor of a mass shooting, she has been one of the most radical firearms banners in this entire country.
And she quit the liberals gun ban panel because it wasn't moving fast enough.
It wasn't banning enough guns quickly enough.
So when I saw that she was nominated to run for the liberals, I thought, oh, dang, here it comes.
It's going to be even worse and like accelerated from, you know, 2,000 plus firearms plus all the handguns banned.
That wasn't enough for her.
It's going to be even worse.
Yeah.
And with that said, it's an inside job is what it is.
It's all these anti-people group together.
They influence the media.
They influence people.
But they've been going on about this for 30 years and falling back on the same thing over 30 years.
And this time, I don't know what's going to happen.
I think you're probably going to see the attack ads start again.
But hopefully people have realized that they're kicking a dead horse these days.
It's more about what else is going on in Canada than a group of law-abiding Canadians just trying to live their lives.
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I think people are starting to realize, you know, there's a lot bigger issues than people like Sheila and I who just want to have firearms go out and have fun, you know, collect, keep our family heirlooms.
I think it's gone beyond that now and people are sick and tired of hearing this.
And now, I wanted to talk to you about two firearms that were specifically manufactured to be C21 compliant.
And I think the point of this is that it doesn't matter if you even try to follow the ridiculous rules if you are a manufacturer,
because your gun will be arbitrarily banned and your personal business that you built around being completely compliant will be absolutely devastated through the stroke of a bureaucratic pen by somebody who is not accountable to parliament.
These decisions are being made either through an ordering council, so outside of the scrutiny of parliament, or by an RCMP bureaucrat in a cubicle somewhere.
Tell us about the Lockhart Tactical Raven and the crypto, two guns that were meant to be completely compliant with C-21.
You know, you're talking about two Canadian companies, and like you mentioned, these two firearms were built to be Canadian compliant to the Liberals' regulations.
And what happened was about a month ago, the Lockhart Tactical Raven was put on the ban list.
Now, we've been working with Sam Lockhart from Lockhart Tactical, and his whole stock right now has been banned.
It's a Canadian business that if this continues, is going to go down because they can't sell any of their product, which is absolutely ridiculous because it affects the tax base and the worker base.
You know, you employ several people to build these firearms.
They're going to lose their jobs because of this decision by the liberals.
And the Crusader Crypto, that's another one.
They just got banned a few days ago.
Now, this gun was compliant to a few days ago.
And the RCMP, in their ultimate wisdom, decided to ban this firearm.
It wasn't done through ordering counsel.
It wasn't done through government.
There was definitely no legislation about it.
It just they decided to take this firearm and put it on the ban list.
In any other country, when the police start making the rules, it would be called a police state.
But apparently it's all good in Canada.
Unbelievable, Sheila.
Yeah, and let's be clear, these decisions are not being made by RCMP officers.
These are RCMP civilian bureaucrats in an office somewhere.
These are like the nameless, faceless tyrants who bear no scrutiny for their outrageous decisions.
They don't even provide reasons for it.
We know that the Lockhart Tactical Raven, it hasn't been used in any crimes, neither with the Crusader Arms Crypto.
Like they haven't been used in any crimes.
Why are you banning them except that they look cool?
And they were, you know, potentially a Canadian success story had it not been for the federal government.
It's funny to hear the same people being like, oh, elbows up, Team Canada, and you're destroying two Canadian businesses here.
Yeah.
You know, and then they fall back on the thing, well, you know what?
There's going to be a buyback on these firearms.
Well, I'll tell you what, there's been a bunch of firearms turned in by different agencies and wholesalers, some retailers, and there isn't been any buyback.
No money was paid for this stuff.
And these guns went and were destroyed.
Well, more parts than guns, I guess.
There was a few guns, but a lot of parts associated with the AR platform got destroyed because the liberals promised these people that they were going to pay them for this stuff.
And all of a sudden, bang, there's an election.
Everything gets frozen.
What's going to happen next?
Is Mark Carney going to shell out billions of dollars for these parts, for these firearms?
You know, he talks the talk about going out and starting, you know, re-energizing the gun bands and the buyback and the seizures.
Where's this?
My question is, where's all this money going to come from?
Basically, the Trudeau government in the last nine years bankrupted this country.
Where are they going to get all this money?
I don't know if there's going to be any money.
I think it's just a ploy to take a bunch of personal property off the streets.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they're hoping that people are, here's the thing.
Canadian firearms owners are law-abiding.
We're willing to jump through all these stupid hoops to enjoy our personal property.
So they are counting on our law-abiding nature.
They want us to say, well, it's the law.
I guess we turn them in.
That's what they're counting on, you know?
You know what?
And that's the thing.
And then they're also making threats.
Well, if you don't turn your firearms in, you will cancel your PAL.
We'll revoke your PAL.
A letter went out a few weeks ago, and it was kind of, I call it a search and destroy letter.
They don't know what's out there on the list.
So they want you to send in a list of the firearms that you have that could potentially be on the ordering council list or the new stuff that's popping up every day.
It's ridiculous.
You know, they don't know.
So number one, enforcement.
If Carney becomes, hopefully not, but if Carney becomes prime minister, how are they going to enforce this?
Carney stated that he is going to open up talks with Canada Post again so Canada Post can take these firearms in and send them to their final destination for destruction.
So my question is, is Uncle Joe's wife going to walk into a post office carrying AR-15 and an M-14 under each arm and lay it on the counter?
Is that going to happen?
You know, none of it makes any sense, Sheila.
No, no.
They don't have a plan.
They don't have a policy even.
All they know is we have to take the guns from the firearms owners to make it seem like we're doing something because all of their bad progressive policies, unfettered immigration, open border policies, DEI sentencing and bail policies have made Canada far less safe.
So they need to be seen to be doing something.
They're hoping Canadians are low info enough to buy it while actually doing nothing to make Canadians safer.
And there's a reason why all the police unions are lining up behind Polyev to endorse him and his tough on crime policies instead of Mark Carney's Trudeau policies and policy announcements that have been in law for 30 years.
You know, last week, the Toronto Police Union made a statement that the liberal gun laws aren't working.
Taking guns away from law-abiding Canadians will not change a thing.
And they suggested that it shouldn't be part of this election campaign.
And what do they do?
They come out a week later and they're all about the guns.
Yep.
Yeah, because they need a wedge issue.
Like I said, it's either their first or second favorite wedge issue.
The other one is abortion, depending on the day and depending on what the polls look like.
Now, I wanted to talk to you about this new initiative that you have at the National Firearms Association to help firearms owners keep their firearms safe and secure.
Tell us about this.
Well, the NFA has a new initiative.
It's called Save Our Guns.
So what we're doing in many cases, mostly in estates, sometimes in court issues, firearms are being seized and destroyed by the police.
So we decided to put together a program.
We obtained our firearms business license, our FBL, and put in a facility where we can hold and store these guns till these issues resolve themselves, till the law changes, or in the case of a court matter.
And a lot of these issues, especially the court matters, are to do with domestic violence that really wasn't domestic violence, but with the red flag laws.
You know, firearms are seized right away before any questions are asked.
So we can hold these firearms indefinitely until that issue is resolved.
In the case of an estate, we've got a package out there we've had for a long time, how to deal with firearms, specifically handguns after Bill C-21 in case of the death in the family.
The NFA has a package out there.
You can reach out to Blair at blair at nfa.ca and he'll provide you with that package.
We will store those firearms until things are resolved.
The other option is we hate to see firearms being destroyed.
If you want to donate a firearm that you don't want to possess anymore to the NFA, we will find a good home for it.
We've been working with a lot of different people and there's ways handguns right now until the Polyev government gets in are going to have to stay with us until that gets sorted out.
But as far as long guns and stuff, we hate to see guns get destroyed.
Send it to us.
We will find a good home for it.
This is purely non-for-profit.
It is just, you know, there's some logistical costs, but that's it.
So we want to save these guns.
We don't want to see these guns get destroyed.
You know, and a lot of these things are family heirlooms and historical firearms that were from World War I, World War II, and other conflicts, you know, that made Canada what we are today.
Well, not what we are today, but what we were 10 years ago.
Yeah, what we were.
And the liberals want to destroy these firearms.
You know, I did a thing the other day and I was talking about firearms and my grandfather, who used to, who was a tobacco farmer back in the 20s, 30s, and 40s, he used to carry a little Ivor Johnson 32 Smith ⁇ Wesson revolver in a shoulder holster when he was out in the field, you know, because it was legal back then.
You know, he used to dispatch wounded livestock with it or just sit there and plink with it now and then have fun, you know, just for the sake, because he could back then.
I'd hate, that gun is probably worth $20.
I still have it.
That would break my heart to see that gun destroyed.
So our save firearms program is basically to save history, save firearms, and help people out when they're in a bit of a crisis.
Rick Igersich, firearms foster dad.
Put that on your business card.
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Now, I think it's a great program, especially people who are, you know, who don't want red flag laws weaponized against them.
And this is not a men's issue.
It's also a women's issue.
And people like me who their family history and the land they live on is directly tied to the firearms and the gun case that Natalie Provo, Bill Blair, and Mark Carney think I shouldn't have.
I want to give you an opportunity to tell people about the NFA AGM coming up in the beginning of May.
We've got our NFA AGM coming up.
We've got a really, really cool keynote speaker, Sheila Gunread.
We've got Dr. Terry Bryant is going to be there.
Let's see, who else do we have?
We have a couple of the black hats, Mitch and Scott, who were responsible for what happened with the Alberta Constitution, which was a big thing in Alberta.
We have some really, really, really, it's going to be really interesting.
We're going to have thoughts from different areas.
I know Sheila's going to touch on some stuff and the Black Hats are going to touch on some stuff.
Come out.
It's $50 a person.
You could do it one day or two days.
There's a meet and greet the night before where you can meet all these people.
And the next day is the actual meeting and the speeches.
It's going to be very interesting.
It's filling up quick.
So reach out, get a ticket.
You can get a ticket on NFA.ca.
And it's going to be interesting.
And I'm sure it's going to be a lot of fun also.
And we're going to talk about freedom.
We're going to talk about guns.
And we're just going to talk about who we are, who we really are.
You know, we're just a bunch of people from the country, from the city that are on the same page and on a good cause.
So if you can come out, folks, and it'll be a great time.
Oh, by the way, we're giving away a bunch of stuff.
We've got a KDEX rifle that's going to be an asylum auction.
We've got a couple guns that the Westerners will like.
We've got a couple lever action Henry rifles that we're giving away.
There's going to be some all kinds of prizes from Leopold, Vortex, other sponsors.
The list is too long to mention.
So come on out.
You can walk out of there with a gun.
We're going to have a gun for a door prize.
It's going to be a cool door prize.
And there's going to be a silent auction on a bunch of other stuff.
And I tell you, you know, we did the silent auction in the past and people get some really good deals on some really nice guns.
All the profits go to NFA to continue the fight for your rights and freedoms.
You know, a good choice on those Henry Action levers or Henry lever actions for Red Deer.
Yeah, cowboy guns, right?
Cowboy guns in cowboy country.
I'm excited.
You know, and what I like about going to these sorts of events is that you look around and we are not what the left says we are as firearms owners.
You look around and it's young, it's old, it's people from the cities, it's people from the country like me.
You might even get a journalist or two there.
We're not this backwoods bucktooth hillbilly bunch who just loves their guns and Bibles, even though I do.
Like I feel I hit the stereotype, but not everybody does.
And that's God, guns and freedom.
Right?
So I realize that I am a walking talking stereotype.
And it's a reason it's a stereotype and it's because it's true.
But you will come there and you will see a bunch of different people because this is truly like it's a property rights issue.
It's a sports issue.
It's a leave-me-alone kind of issue.
And so I'm going to- And you get to talk to people like Sheila and myself, which you normally see on these podcasts or other events on social media.
You get to meet us and realize that we're one of you.
We're not, you know, we're not TV personalities.
We're not, no, we're just a bunch of simple people from the country getting the word out.
That's right.
Rick, tell people how they can get involved in the NFA because there are lots of benefits for membership.
And also you have that really great merchandise site.
Yeah, you can reach out to us on NFA.ca if you're interested in becoming a member.
But you can also see us on our platforms.
We're on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and X, where we post usually daily on the Instagram, the Facebook, and the X. Usually once a month on YouTube, we put out an NFA talk.
Come out, join the fight.
We're a non-for-profit organization.
All your money except for office expenses basically goes into the fight.
We need all the members we can get.
And you don't have to be a gun owner.
If you're a freedom-minded person, join us because that's part of our plight.
It's not just firearms, it's freedom.
And come out, join us, get in the fight, meet us.
Come out to the AGM, meet us.
You'll see that we're just a bunch of normal people and we'll talk to anybody that's on the same page as us.
And you know what?
We'll even talk to people who aren't, but we'll enlighten them on the way things really are.
Exactly.
Rick, thanks so much for coming on the show.
And I'm sorry it's been so long in between visits.
And I'll see you at the AGM.
Yes, and I'm looking forward to seeing you.
I'm looking forward to listening to you at the AGM.
And remember, Canada's National Firearms Association, in defense of your freedom.
Well, the last portion of the show, I turn it over to you.
And again, if you're watching this, I'm in Montreal at the leaders debate, shocking everybody, including myself.
So this is all pre-recorded.
Thanks for bearing with me.
Maybe news has broken, which renders this show obsolete, but I still think you'll enjoy it, even if that is the case.
So I turn over the second portion of the show, or rather the third portion of the show, to you, the last closing segment.
That's where I want to hear from you.
You can send your emails and viewer feedback to me at sheila at rebelnews.com.
Put gun show letters in the subject line so I know why you're emailing me.
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It sort of puts us higher in the algorithm, as they say.
I don't even know how it works, but I think the more your content is engaged with, the more it's shown to more people.
So if you wouldn't mind engaging with our stuff, that would be lovely.
Thank you.
Now, today's email comes to me from longtime viewer, longtime supporter.
If you are a regular viewer of the show, you've heard me read his emails a lot.
It's Bruce Atchison, and he's writing to me on last week's show with my friend, my buddy, Tracy Wilson, from the CCFR.
And Bruce writes, what's the most dangerous part of a car?
It's the nut holding the wheel.
That dad joke illustrates the CCFR's point that guns aren't the problem.
It's the nuts and gang members who must be banished to prison for crimes involving guns.
Yeah, wouldn't that be great if the liberals keep removing the mandatory minimum sentences?
Gun owners are the most vetted people in society, yet the delusional leftists go after property instead of perpetrators.
Yes.
Yeah, they do.
I'm also glad other cat owners are remarking on your show about their feline friends.
Yeah, they are.
And sometimes my kitty, if you watch the live stream weekly, daily, sorry, my kitty, little Trigger, he will come and make a fuss or get on the desk sometimes.
He just likes to be in the studio when I'm working.
Also, the dog lets him in.
They gang up on me.
I close the doors.
The dog puts her nose in there, pushes the sliding barn doors open, and Kitty comes in and then sits on my desk.
Anyway, my cat, Delta, is still as fussy as a princess.
She dislikes frisky, so I give her tastefuls and fancy fees food.
I hope you won't let those go to waste.
Your loyal viewer, Bruce Atchison, and Delta, of course.
Yeah, let me know if your cat likes the show, viewers at home.
I think my cat doesn't like the show, likes me just fine.
Doesn't like that I hold myself up in here and work and exclude little Trigger out in the world.
Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.
Thanks so much for tuning in.
I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.