Ezra Levant examines Elon Musk’s 100-daily X posts exposing UK Labour’s alleged failures on "grooming gangs," targeting young white girls since the 1970s, with estimates of 250,000–1M victims. Lord Pearson’s 2018 warnings about Muslim-linked crimes and Farage’s 75% Islam growth claim clash with Reform UK’s cautious stance, while Starmer dismisses concerns as "far right." Musk’s direct activism contrasts Farage’s consensus-driven approach, forcing a reckoning on ignored systemic issues—justice for victims now outweighs political strategy. [Automatically generated summary]
Oh boy, the battle between Elon Musk and the Labour Party in the UK is just amazing.
Elon Musk is not stopping.
I think he's doing 100 tweets or retweets a day.
I don't even think I'm exaggerating.
It is rocking that country's politics.
I have a friend who works in the House of Lords at the Palace of Westminster in Parliament, and he's got an interesting eye view on this.
He works for a UKIP peer.
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Here's today's podcast.
Tonight, Elon Musk continues his war against the UK Labour government.
Elon Musk's War on UK Labour00:02:34
We'll have a whole discussion about it with someone who works in the British Parliament.
It's January 8th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
shame on you you censorious bug well rebel news is based in canada even though we do have a correspondent in melbourne australia the great abby yaminia I call him a one-man army.
He's actually got two associates down there.
He's doing a great job in Australia.
Canada is our home.
We love Canada.
We find it amusing that Donald Trump wants to annex us.
By the way, you know, I think he's a little bit serious about Greenland.
Donald Trump Jr. just landed there to poke around to see about acquiring some real estate.
But I think that Canada is an important and independent country.
And we were once, I would say, a great country.
We're not a mighty country, but I mean, look at our history.
Look what we did.
We had a beach, Juneau Beach, right next to the big boys on D-Day.
And I think we punch above our weight, to use a phrase.
I think that when Justin Trudeau announced his intentions to resign, a very interesting observation I saw was not a single G7 world leader even mentioned it.
It was just like an empty cab pulled up on Parliament Hill and Justin Trudeau got out.
He's a nullity.
No one even cares.
Canada's our home.
We love Canada.
And so we understand the gentle ribbing of Donald Trump, but we want to remain independent.
That said, we care about the world because we see the same themes here at home in Canada, around the world, sometimes further down the path.
And you know that I traveled to the United Kingdom, and you know that I call it my dystopian time machine.
That if I visit there, I feel like I'm five years into the future further down the road on mass immigration.
We haven't talked a lot about what they call ultra-low emission zones or ULES, and they have these spy cameras, CCTV cameras, checking who's driving on a street at a certain time.
And you get a ticket or a fine if you're not allowed to be there.
That's the 15-minute cities going down that road.
Censorship.
So I go to the United Kingdom and I report on stories like Tommy Robinson, who's in jail right now for violating a court order not to publish a video.
Well, that's a form, a very draconian form of censorship.
The lad's in solitary confinement.
Lord Pearson's Rebellion00:06:16
And so I go to the United Kingdom because I love it and because I love the people and I love the history and I love the language.
I love the culture.
I love Shakespeare.
I love so many things about the UK.
Maybe I'm searching for a classiness that I myself don't have.
But I also go there because I know what happens there today will happen to us if we don't change the course we're on.
And a lot has happened.
They say sometimes years go by when nothing happens and then weeks go by and years happen.
And I think it's the latter and joining us now to talk about a fascinating week.
And it's only been a week in the United Kingdom is my friend Peter McElvenna, who's a special assistant to a member of the House of Lords, Lord Pearson of Rannick.
What a delight to talk to Peter, who, by the way, is the host of his own show called Hearts of Oak.
Peter, nice to see you.
Great to see you, Ezra.
And I remember two years ago visiting your offices there and seeing your phenomenal setup.
And always good to see you in London, but it's an honor to join you on your show, Ezra.
Well, you're very nice to say that.
I mean, we have a pretty humble setup here, but it's all crowdfunded from our viewers, so they'll be grateful to hear your compliments.
Before we talk about what's happened in this last week, I want to talk about your boss, who I've had the pleasure of meeting.
He's just such a classic Brit.
He's a member of the House of Lords.
He started as a Conservative.
Then he joined the UK Independence Party, which was the pro-Brexit party.
Give us a minute on Lord Pearson, and then I'm going to show an amazing video of him in action in the House of Lords.
But tell us who Lord Pearson is.
So Lord Pearson's background was insurance.
He was a Lloyds of London name, so in insurance, and actually was concerned of how the insurance industry was scamming people.
And he stood up to Lloyds of London.
He lost that fight, but Margaret Thatcher saw his tenacity in standing up to corruption.
And Margaret Thatcher asked him to join her government.
She put him in the House of Lords.
He was Lord Pearson, one of Margaret Thatcher's last appointees in the House of Lords before she was stabbed in the back and removed as leader.
So Lord Pearson went in as a conservative and then had the misfortune of reading one of the European treaties and said, why is no one reading this?
This is passing over power to another entity.
So he highlighted that, was one of the original Eurosceptic rebels, the original Brexit rebels.
And for basically standing up to that and talking about this new little party that we're starting called UKIP, United Kingdom Independence Party, headed up by Nigel Farage, he highlighted the good things they were doing.
And because of that, he was thrown out of the Conservative Party.
So he joined UKIP.
He was UKIP leader in 2009, 2010, as being one of the most original Maastricht rebels, original Brexit rebels, and now is the only one in the House of Lords, maybe Bar Baroness Cox, who speaks on Islam and the clash of Islam between the freedoms we have in the West.
And he's done that for 10 years.
And he is a lone voice in the House of Lords.
That doesn't put him off.
Here's a maverick.
He does what he thinks is right and to hell with the consequences.
And that's why it's a privilege working for him for the last 10 plus years.
Yeah, he really is quite a character.
He loves the history of the UK.
And I think he truly lives up to what a good member of the House of Lords is.
It wasn't just a patronage gig.
It wasn't just a, as we say in Canada about our Senate, you know, you've heard the phrase a thankless task.
We call the Senate here a taskless thanks.
I think Lord Pearson takes his seat there very seriously.
And I want to show you, well, before I go further, I had the pleasure of interviewing him a few years ago.
Let me just show you a quick clip of me talking to Lord Pearson about what it's like being a maverick.
And then I'm going to throw to a very important speech he gave in the House of Lords that was recently retweeted by Elon Musk that millions of people saw.
But here's when I first met Lord Pearson.
Take a look.
I am standing in the precincts of the mother of parliaments here in the United Kingdom and standing with me is Lord Pearson of Rannock.
What a pleasure to meet you in your home turf.
The honor is entirely mine.
Well, come now.
It's nice of you to say.
What was so interesting to me is that you're a peer, you're a member of the House of Lords, and yet you are friends with someone that some would say is on the opposite end of the spectrum from you in many walks of life.
I'm talking about Tommy Robinson.
How did that unlikely friendship come about?
I can't remember.
I remember now how Tommy and I met.
I was asking one of my questions in the Lords, really trying to talk about Islam.
And I was trying to find out, ask publicly whether to talk about Islam, to try and understand Islam, the tenets of Islam and all that, constituted hate speech.
And Tommy heard about this, and so he decided to come and listen.
And he was supposed to go into the public gallery, as I understood it, but of course he met up with some of my friends.
And before we knew where we were, he was in the distinguished visitors' gallery in the front row in front of the Liberal Democrat Party, who all got extremely jumpy about the whole thing.
And then I had such a rough ride in that particular question, which I think has gone on YouTube and that sort of thing, that when Tommy came to him, I said, I'd like to interview.
I said, yes, Tommy, come on, let's do an interview.
So we went and did an interview together, which isn't very good, but it's got some good parts in it.
And I met him, and I met a most remarkable man.
I met someone who's not at all what the mainstream media and the idiotic political establishment and everything would have you believe.
Well, I really like him.
His personality alone makes me want to be his friend.
I am so grateful he's there in the House of Lords.
But to be serious for a moment, here is an astonishingly bold and clear and fair speech that he gave in the House of Lords that Elon Musk recently discovered this video and retweeted.
Turning Blind Eye00:08:22
Take a look.
I would accept that if we extrapolate nationally the J report on Rotherham and other reports on Telford and Oxford, there appear to have been upwards of 250,000 young white girls raped in this century, very largely by Muslim men.
And given these girls are usually raped several times a day for years, say, my lords, what is the government's answer to the chief constable of Northumberland, of Northumbria, who has just said that there is every likelihood that these grooming gangs are operating in every one of our major cities.
So my lords, what is the government doing to prosecute those in authority who turned a blind eye to all this because they were afraid of being Islamophobic and so on?
And what is it doing to compensate and help these victims mentally?
My lords, I really refute the fact that the government's turning a blind eye to those in authority.
Sorry that those in authority are turning a blind eye to this.
Noble lords from across the house have outlined the various child sexual abuse perpetrations in various parts of the country.
And my lords, one thing we can say above all else is what these people target is vulnerability.
It's not specific to race, creed or colour.
It's vulnerability.
Now, Peter, that video of that speech was a few years ago, but something amazing has been happening in the UK over the last seven days.
I'm not sure what sparked it, but Elon Musk, the world's richest man, the owner of X, formerly Twitter, and the most followed man on Twitter with more than 200 million followers, has taken a very intense interest in the UK, especially around the issue of what is euphemistically called grooming games.
I don't like that because it really is a euphemism.
It hides the atrocious reality.
These are serial rape gangs that rape girls night after night.
They extort and blackmail.
And they're girls.
They're not women.
They're as young as 9 or 10 or 11 years old.
Elon Musk has taken a passionate interest in this outrage, this scandal.
Tell us about it.
I mean, you're there.
I mean, I'm here and I'm watching it with amazement.
Tell us about Elon Musk in the UK over the last week.
Well, first I remember that interview, Ezra.
I remember being there right in front of the Lords in one of your many visits.
And I know Lord Pearson has met up with you on nearly all of those visits.
And he's found a privilege to meet with you as you speak truth worldwide.
But that, Elon Musk, so I looked at my phone.
It was the first of January.
And what a happy new year present you could get.
Elon Musk had posted Free Tommy Robinson.
So that not only had he posted that, but he had pinned it to the top of his profile.
And he pinned it for two days.
This caused, as you can imagine, a lot of ructions in the UK political system, the UK media system, the UK establishment that were in sheer panic at Elon Musk mentioning the name of the person who cannot be named, Tommy Robinson.
So you've got that on one side.
And then it started that Elon Musk started highlighting the failure of the grooming gangs.
I think partially this came from Oldham Council, a council in the middle of England.
The council officials had called for an investigation into grooming gangs in Oldham, which is Muslim Pakistani rape gangs that have happened since 1975 was a Rotherham advertiser first post.
So we're looking at 50 plus years in the UK.
And Elon Musk had highlighted this failure of the government to have an independent inquiry into this area in Oldham, called by the Council.
I think that was possibly the lightning rod.
Now, Tommy has done Rape for Britain series.
He's up to about number five, highlighting this injustice and making this a personal issue, talking to the girls who face this issue, not just the numbers, which Nor Pierce talked about, Corvimillion.
Sarah Champion, the MP for one of those areas, has talked about up to a million girls have been affected.
This is industrial-scale sexual abuse of white girls across the country by Muslim Pakistani men.
And therefore, the police, local authority, child services have all turned a blind eye to this for fear of a race riot.
That's the term that's been used by a number of officials.
Elon, of course, doesn't really give a damn about any of that.
So he just goes for it.
And he highlights this and we have, I know that whenever we started Hearts of Oak in 2020, we wanted to highlight this in our first petition, which got 100,000 within three days.
We had a government debate on the deportation of a lot of these evil individuals.
If they had dual nationality, they should be deported.
The government, of course, ignored that.
We also had a petition to call for the release of a government report on this.
The government had failed to release that.
We were able to force that to be put out in December 2020.
And of course, Lord Pearson's been talking about this since 2018.
He's been highlighting the issue of Islam, the incompatibility of Islam and the freedoms we have in the West, especially look at the freedoms of women, the freedoms of those who are non-Muslim.
And he's talked about that since 2015 at least.
And grooming gang since 2018.
And is that speech that he talked about, quarter of a million girls have been affected by this and millions and millions of rapes?
And you look at the stories, you talk to these girls.
I've talked to quite a number of them and it is harrowing.
And Lord Pearson seems to be the only one, really apart from Baroness Cox, who stood up in the House of Lords and has highlighted this.
And because he has highlighted it, he has been attacked.
He has been criticized in the media, in politics.
They have tried to eject him from the House of Lords for linking what is happening in these rape gangs to Islam.
And he's laid it out and they have tried to attack him for that and change the language.
So you can no longer talk about Islam.
I have to talk about Islamism.
It is huge.
And Elon Musk in the last six days has actually shown a bigger spotlight on this than we've been able to do since 2012 from when this was on the front page of the Times.
You know, it was on New Year's Day I saw that tweet by Elon Musk that said, free Tommy Robinson.
And as you know, we try and help Tommy.
We don't just journalism about it.
We're crowdfunding his lawyers.
And I try and give a little help.
I'm a former lawyer myself.
So I wrote a little letter on Twitter and I did a show about this.
I said, dear Elon Musk, here's what's going on.
To my surprise, he saw it.
I mean, I don't know how he, there's so much content on Twitter and there's so many people trying to get Elon Musk's attention.
I do not know how I managed to cut through the clutter.
I mean, I can only imagine it's just, there's a million people a day, probably.
But he saw it.
He reposted it.
41 million people saw my little summer.
41 million saw my little summary of Tommy's case.
And I think Tommy Robin, I don't know if you know where the word scapegoat comes from.
It's a biblical idea that you put the sins on the goat and drive the goat out.
And the scapegoat is where all the innocent people deposit their sins on the animal to bear the sins away.
That's the ancient biblical source of scapegoat.
And Tommy is the scapegoat.
All the sins, all the omissions, all the people turning a blind eye.
Let's put it on Tommy.
He's a ruffian.
Scapegoat Dynamics00:14:30
He's a convicted criminal.
Did you know he served time in jail for violence?
You know, all these things, or whatever it was.
I mean, he got into a fight.
And if we just hate Tommy Robinson, we can distract from our own sins.
And the establishment that covered it, I read the Commission of Inquiry into Rotherham.
It's a shocking document.
I think it was actually quite revealing.
I think you'll learn a lot from it.
It'll terrify you.
And you can search for the word racism.
You know, it's an electronic document.
You alt-F, you type in R-A-C-I-S, racism, racist.
It pops up again and again.
When people were asked, why didn't you say anything?
They said, I was worried about being called racist.
And I think that's such an important thing here.
There's a dynamic, and you alluded to it.
80 plus percent of the rapists are Pakistani Muslim men, and 90 plus percent of the rape victims are working-class white girls.
And I contend, Peter, that if it was white rapists and white girls, or Pakistani rapists and Pakistani girls, this would be a mainstream story.
And certainly if it was white rapists, white rapists and Pakistani girls.
But because it was foreign, visible minority, religious minority rapists, and working-class white girls that nobody cares about, that perfect storm of DEI rapes, of woke rapes, is why everyone was afraid.
And it's so hard to talk about.
Here's Majid Nawaz, who it's an interesting and colorful history himself.
Here he is on a radio station called LBC a few years ago saying everyone was afraid to talk about it.
So Tommy Robinson filled the void.
And anyone who's mad at Tommy should ask, why was that void left?
Why did all the acceptable people shut up?
Here's Majid Nawaz.
And so from fear of appearing racist, there was a silence across the country as multiple cases of grooming gangs emerged up and down the country, as evidenced now due to multiple prosecutions, successful prosecutions, but sadly and unfortunately too late.
If we hadn't all been silent, if we had all addressed this issue head-on when it needed to be addressed, when it was time to address it, then the void would not have emerged for the populist agitators to fill that gap and become popular, actually, as a result of addressing what is a legitimate issue.
They ended up hijacking what should have been the concern of every right-minded citizen in this country.
And unfortunately, it takes a bit of courage to address something that people will hurl abuse at you for talking about.
There have been multiple cases now, and it's beyond any level of doubt that there's a disproportionate number of British Muslims involved in grooming gangs against underage white girls.
And to say that is to report on the facts.
It's not to be racist.
And if we're backing away from this conversation, then all we're doing is leaving the ground far open in what is a legitimate issue that requires addressing.
We're leaving the ground for the populace to hijack that legitimate issue and make it their own for their own nefarious purposes.
And that's precisely what's been going on.
And it's in that regard that what I'm saying here is I just wish, I wish that those young girls had seen justice served for them as fast as the judge served Tommy Robinson justice in this case.
Because in this case, it's very easy for us to pick on the bogeyman.
But actually, the truth is that our silence over decades in this country is the real bogeyman.
And that's the real thing we should despise, our own cowardice in the face of grooming of young girls up and down this country and our conspiracy of silence.
You know, it's so hard to talk about it.
Think that's why Nigel Farage himself, who I regard as a hero for Brexit and his fight against the banks for de-banking conservatives.
I regard Nigel Farage as a hero, but I think he's so afraid of being called racist.
Or in the UK, they use the word far-right, which would be like alt-right here.
I think Nigel Farage probably agrees with Tommy on 80% of things, but he feels a need to, in a very demonstrative way, denounce Tommy, lest he be lumped in with him.
What do you make of that?
What do you make of the absolute sheer terror?
It's the same terror that the social workers, the police, the hospital workers in Rotherham faced.
That's what they told the Rotherham Commission.
I think Nigel Farage has the same fear in him.
I think you're right.
And Ezra, I saw that tweet you put up and Elon reposted it.
And it's been one of the many wow moments in the last week.
And I thought, well done for Ezra.
I saw that.
I'm meddling in your foreigner meddling in British affairs.
Metal away.
Hey, you've got rid of your prime minister.
Maybe you can help us get rid of ours.
But that's a whole other issue.
So metal away.
But I saw that reposting, and that was great because that gave some of the facts and information about why Tommy is where he is.
Now, it's weird seeing this clash because Nigel didn't have to be in this situation.
I don't know who's giving Nigel the media advice, but whoever they are needs to be taken out and, well, sacked.
Let's say that.
Sacked because they are basically saying that you have to attack Tommy.
No, no.
Nigel could have done what other reform MPs have done, like Rupert Lowe, he could have given credit to Tommy for the work he's done on grooming gangs.
And Tommy was one of the early people to talk about grooming gangs.
And people talk about, you know, I was first, I was first.
Well, no, no, no, you weren't.
Julie Bindell was maybe the first, uh, the first person in the media in 2007.
Andrew Norfolk was a person, first person front page in the Times in 2012.
And Cryer was the first MP back in 2003, a Labour MP.
They have all suffered abuse for highlighting this issue.
Tommy has also suffered abuse for highlighting this issue.
He has highlighted this back in his EDL days, and he's been criticized a lot for that.
But back then, he was talking about this clash in Islam in the West.
And early on, he talked about that issue in grooming gangs.
He's highlighted this, as has Nigel at times as well, but not the focus of Tommy.
But Nigel has a lot of other issues on his plate.
But you don't need to go to war against Tommy.
You can say, well done for what you've done, but actually we are building a new political party, Reform UK, and we don't want you to be part of it.
He could have done that, but instead he attacked Tommy and called him all these things, mocked him, ridiculed him, saying he was basically one of those.
He's in prison.
He's serving time.
He's got many records on his name for doing all different things.
But Nigel didn't have to do that.
And I think Nigel, maybe he's worried about Tommy getting the spotlight.
Maybe this is the class issue of Tommy being a working class lad from Luton, a down and out town in the UK, and Nigel is different.
I don't know, but Nigel doesn't have to have this battle.
And I think he's been fairly foolish.
He's tried to roll back a little bit in terms of Elon.
I didn't mean it.
I'm kind of sorry.
Let's be friends.
But at the same time, even this morning, he was attacking Tommy again.
And there's no need for that.
I found in the media space that if you disagree with someone, don't spend the time attacking them.
Focus on things actually you want to do, you want to build up, because the media space can be a negative space, and you can choose whether you're partaking that or not.
And Nigel's chosen to take in that negative side and attack Tommy when he didn't need to.
So it's a peculiar fight that he has picked.
And obviously, he's picked it up against Elon Musk, which is a rather foolish fight to have.
Yeah, I mean, Elon Musk was contemplating really supporting Reform UK.
I mean, he was a huge help to Donald Trump in America.
You mentioned Nigel poking at Tommy Robinson.
I mean, listen, if I was a party leader of a new party, I wouldn't want to consort with a guy who had so many little asterisks near his name.
Tommy has served time in jail on multiple occasions.
And not all of it has been political.
I mean, he did have some other, I mean, he is a mixed bag if you're a political leader.
But there's no need to attack Tommy so performatively in a way that I think was calculated to impress the regime media.
I think that that shows too much deference to the peer pressure of the cool kids in the regime media.
We see that in Canada too.
One of the things I like about Canada is Pierre Pollio, the new leader of the Conservative Party here, is he hates the media.
He doesn't hate the media.
He fights with the media.
He never grants them the moral high ground.
He always challenges their premises.
He doesn't allow them to have the moral authority.
In fact, I think that's his greatest strength.
And that tells me he won't be blown off course.
Nigel, I fear, it's the opposite.
Here's that clip you referred to.
Here's Nigel Farage this morning on a radio station called LBC claiming that Tommy has a bunch of, claiming that Tommy is violence against women.
And I know I checked this morning.
I'm familiar with all of Tommy's scrapes with the law, and there have been too many.
But this goes too far.
Take a look.
This Tommy Robinson character, who some see as a hero, and all right, you know, he's talked about grooming gangs and other things, although he's hardly been on his own on that, has he?
I mean, I was first being condemned in 2012 for daring to talk about it.
John Cry was talking about 2002.
Yeah, she was, I mean, she is the heroine.
She's the heroine of all of this.
As indeed, to be fair, Andrew Norfolk, who was writing for the Times.
You know, C. Reid on the mail.
There were some very brave figures early on.
But when figures like myself as party leaders dared pop their head over the parapet, we were smashed back down very, very quickly.
So, you know, Robinson's talked about this, but he has a criminal record, a list as long as your arm, violence, violence against women.
I mean, I could go on, Nick.
And all I'm saying is, look, Mr. Robinson, do what the hell you like.
We are totally separate from that.
And I never wanted, and you know this, you've known me long enough to know, I've never wanted my parties to have anything to do with the BNP or extremism.
And I never wanted they attracted people then, Mr. Farage, because in the past they have attracted that high party.
Well, not when I've led parties, no.
You know, what I inherited.
Take you back to the last general election.
Well, you don't have enough time.
No, no, no.
I had no say over that whatsoever.
I came in right at the last minute.
There were people there that shouldn't have been there.
That will never happen again.
Now, the thing about that, Peter, is that a lot of Tommy's supporters will know that's untrue and will feel that's deeply unfair.
And they will feel that's sort of like a deplorables moment when Hillary Clinton said, oh, this basket of deplorable people.
And you don't talk that way about people.
I was in Clacton.
That's Nigel Farage's district on election night.
I went there.
I wanted to see what was going on.
And there's this UK tradition of the votes being brought to one central building, all the candidates coming to this central building, like they may have their parties elsewhere, but they all come together.
It's a really lovely tradition.
The votes are counted so meticulously.
I don't think we had the result till 4 a.m.
I'd never seen anything like it.
I really enjoyed it.
I was so tired.
So what do you do when you're waiting for eight hours for the votes to be counted?
Well, you chat.
And here's the funny thing, Peter.
I'm an anonymous foreigner in Clacton.
Like, who would possibly know me?
A ton of people did because Tommy Robinson had just visited Canada and he was arrested in Canada.
We got him out without any charges or any conditions.
So all these people in Clacton recognize me, which tells me, and we talked about, they asked me about Tommy Robinson, which tells me they follow him pretty closely.
Like if you are in Clacton on the Sea, which is this little town in the UK, it's not a big place, and you know who Ezra Levan is.
It's not because I have a connection to Clacton, it's because you're watching Tommy Robinson.
The overlap between Tommy's supporters and Nigel's supporters is so much.
And Nigel Frost doesn't have to emphasize that or revel in it, but by gosh, it's stupid for him to be poking and insulting Tommy Roddy.
Here's another MP for Reform UK, Richard Tice, using that phrase that lot.
Here's a quick look at this.
There's no need to do that.
If you're the party of the working man, don't get a sneering condescension.
Here, take a look at this.
Tommy Robinson, people have been protesting in his name.
What do you make of Tommy Robinson?
Is he a good guy in your eyes?
No.
All of that lot, we have nothing to do with the problem.
Even the protesters who have got banners up saying two tier kier, you agree with them on the policing and justice.
We agree with ourselves.
I'm not aligning ourselves with Tommy Robinson's lot in any shape or form.
Anyhow, I hate the fact that in order to suck up to powerful people, they're punching down.
I just hate that, Peter.
I agree.
And look, I think from Canadian politics, every politician should do an interview eating an apple.
To me, that's Pierre's advice to everyone.
But it's true that Nigel has kind of said it's him or me.
And it doesn't need to be.
There are two very different individuals in very different fights.
Tommy does not lead a political party.
He's never asked to join reform.
He asked to join UKIP.
And I was very much part of those conversations back in 2019 when he was campaign manager of Tommy joining UKIP to run in the European elections.
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But it's a different situation in the moment.
Tommy has never requested to join reform.
He has called in his supporters to back reform many, many times.
And if you're the leader of reform, you shouldn't really attack probably one of the most Nigel and Tommy.
There aren't really any other individuals of a higher profile, politically campaign-wise, than those two individuals.
And I've kind of been with them both at different times, and you get them mobbed for people wanting selfies because they're regarded as heroes.
It doesn't have to be you either choose him or me.
It can be we're very different people.
Tommy is doing something.
I'm doing something as Nigel's a political figure.
And we are quite different.
But I certainly see Tommy as an absolute hero.
I'm visiting him in prison next week.
And I've known him for 15 years.
I've known Nigel much less.
I watch him from afar.
I don't know him personally.
But there is no need to have this fight.
And that's why I'm confused at why Nigel has gone down this route.
And when you compare Nigel or political figures to someone like President Trump, and Trump speaks his mind, he does what he thinks.
He doesn't need an opinion poll.
I think reformer may be a little bit different.
They're maybe more concerned of what the media may say and therefore check what they may say with a focus group to see if it will fit or not.
I want a President Trump style leader who just says what he thinks and let's see what happens.
Or what Elon Musk has been doing.
Actually, he says what he thinks and then you get a response.
That to me is a better, a leader who leads by conviction and not by consensus.
And I'm tired of that consensus politics that we have had in the UK.
And reform are doing very well politically.
The so-called Conservative Party, led by Kemi Bednock, we'll see how that performs.
They are not doing well at all in the polls.
Reform under Nigel Farage are doing exceptionally well.
But I think they could do so much better if they understood the threat. of Islam and they understood that people like Tommy are not actually a threat and they can embrace them without making them part of the party.
That's what I would say to his PR team.
And I don't know why they haven't embraced that or understood that yet.
Winston Marshall is a former musician who was cancelled for having politically incorrect views and he's become a bit of a political pundit and organizer.
Seems like a bright young man.
He recently had a sit-down with Nigel Farage and they talked about Islam.
And people say it's been taken out of context.
I don't know if it has.
Here's a clip of Nigel Farage saying that Islam is growing 75% every 10 years, I think was his stat.
And so UKIP must accommodate it.
Here, tell me what you think of this clip.
Is this the right view?
This feels a little fatalistic, and it feels like it's – and Farage has said he's against mass deportations, which I think is essential to fixing some of the problems with illegal immigration and criminal immigration.
Here, let's play a clip of Nigel Farage being interviewed by Winston Marshall.
But the nub of it is we have a Muslim population in Britain growing by about 75% every 10 years.
Right?
That's just where we are.
If we politically alienate the whole of Islam, we will lose.
will lose so how does one include we will lose by 2050 Goodness knows what kind of a terrible state we're going to be in.
Well, what does that mean?
And by the way, I don't want to be racist and I don't want to be, I don't want to prejudge people, but I want to stop mass immigration in Canada.
I want to deport people who bring violence or criminality with them, deport people who are here illegally.
And frankly, if someone supports terrorism, I think they should be stripped of their citizenship and deported if they're dual citizen.
I don't think these are radical thoughts.
Mass deportations, I think, are about to start on January 20th.
If you believe Trump's new borders are, I believe them.
Why is this another case of Nigel just not wanting to rock the boat and worried about what the cool kids have to say?
I watched an interview and I was so confused.
One, that he doesn't see necessarily that Islam is a clash with the West.
Two, that he doesn't necessarily say that we need to embrace Islam, but he seems to say, you know, well, they're going faster.
I think it was Lord Pearson that asked the government a question on demographics.
And the Islamic population over 15 years grew at 110% compared to the UK at 10.7%.
So 10 times.
You don't accommodate a grouping that fails to integrate and has a completely separate idea of how women are treated, children are treated, and those outside their grouping and demand their own legal system and food system and their own way of life.
That's not how you integrate.
In the UK, we've always integrated where waves of immigrants have come over.
We've always had integration.
And yet now with Islam, we seem to fail to have it.
And that's been mentioned by many commentators.
Nigel doesn't seem to see that.
And he seems to be concerned.
And in one way, understand if you do not have a strong understanding of what it means to be British, and maybe because Nigel doesn't come from a Christian perspective, maybe that's what is missing there, that kind of anchor to your society, to your culture, to what makes you a nation.
Then, of course, you will think we need to be nice to these people coming over.
You can be nice to them, but you don't have to acquiesce to them.
And I don't know why reform want to acquiesce.
And mass deportation, I'm looking forward to the mass deportations in the U.S. with the new borders are.
Bring it on.
AFD in Germany, Alternative Deutsche and the German government have collapsed.
They're having elections in a month.
They talk about mass deportations.
A number of parties across Europe, the Swedish Democrats have talked about mass deportations.
Let's see about the Freedom Party in Austria, and they've been invited to form a government.
This is what you need to do.
If you have people in your country, if you've got, and our prisons in the UK are full of non-Brits, maybe 30% non-Brits.
Well, if you can send them back to their country, that makes sense because you don't have to pay for them to stay in the prison for years.
All the grooming gang, the mass rapists, we should deport them.
But today in the Daily Mail, it came over that one of the huge ringleaders, despite the government promising to deport him, has not been deported years later.
Why shouldn't we send people back who break the laws in this country?
Why should taxpayers have to pay years' worth of jail time for these individuals at tens of thousands of pounds a year?
Whenever you can stick them on an easy jet flight for 100 quid, send it back home.
They can serve their time in that country.
That has to be the agreement within Europe.
Surely.
That has to be the agreement between nation states.
And for Nigel not to say we need to deport these people, well, he wants us to actually then pay for them.
Is he going to raise taxes to pay for these people?
It does not make sense.
And I don't know whether he is afraid of a backlash from the mainstream media.
But again, I want a leader who does what they believe is right and lead.
And on this case on immigration, many other cases, Nigel has led well.
But on this case of deportation, he is not leading.
Yeah, he was so sure of himself with Brexit and on the debanking.
And I want that Nigel Farage back.
Hey, we've been talking about Nigel Farage, and with good reason, I think he's a hero.
I think he's done more for the UK in the last generation than anyone else I can think of.
I think Tommy Robinson is also a hero as well.
A flawed hero, an anti-hero, perhaps, as they say.
But I believe that he has, you know, I think it was George Bernard Shaw who said reasonable people conform to the world.
Unreasonable people make the world conform to them.
Therefore, all progress defends on unreasonable people.
Tommy Robinson is unreasonable.
I was there in court when he was sentenced.
The judge said, will you take this video down off Twitter?
If you do, I'll knock several months off your prison sentence.
And he said, no, he didn't say it.
He just declined to do so.
I mean, Peter, if someone said to you, you have a tweet up that's been seen 50 or 60 million times, take it down now and you'll be spared months of prison time.
I got to think 99.9% of people would say, 55 million people have seen this tweet.
I can declare victory.
I'm going to go home.
He did not.
And, you know, he would say he's been vindicated.
That tweet is, that video is now being seen about 150 million times and it's gotten a lot of news.
But that is not someone who's acting in their rational self-interest to make the pain go away.
That's why the British government is having so much trouble dealing with them because they don't have tools to deal with someone who is in a way a conscientious objector and doesn't care what they do to him.
That's what's so astonishing about Tommy Robinson.
Despite all the accusations against them, there's an innate selflessness there.
Who amongst us would agree to spend that much time in solitary confinement on a point of principle?
I don't think one in a million would.
Hey, let me show you one last video because we've been talking about how Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenock, the Conservative leader, she's just as scared of Tommy Robinson, probably even more so.
Which is odd because she doesn't have to be because no one's going to accuse her of racism.
She's a black woman.
But the language that Nigel Farage is using that lot.
Here's Keir Starmer, the Labour Prime Minister, just yesterday or the day before, denouncing Elon Musk, Tommy Robinson, and anyone who's worried about these rape gangs, denouncing them as far right, including completely apolitical victims and families of victims.
Take a look at Keir Starmer, basically doing what those victims in the Commission of Inquiry said.
I'm worried about being denounced as racist, so I won't speak up.
So what does Keir Starmer do?
Denounce them as racist.
When politicians, and I mean politicians, who sat in government for many years, are casual about honesty, decency, truth, and the rule of law, calling for inquiries because they want to jump on a bandwagon of the far right.
Then that affects politics because a robust debate can only be based on the true facts.
I think that's outrageous to say that anyone who's concerned about rape gangs is racist.
That's essentially what far right means in the UK.
But really, that's not that different in language from what Nigel Farage was saying.
What do you think?
No, I agree.
If the term far right is defined by whether or not you say children should be protected from being sexually abused, then I guess we're all far right, if that's the definition.
And this is just like the term racism, it is a term that is branded whenever you're losing the argument and whenever you want to shut down debate.
And that's been used by the media.
It's been used by politicians.
And this is used by Kier Starmer today to shut down the conversation, to call those who are calling for a full-on inquiry far right.
Now, the issue is we've never had a national inquiry on grooming gangs.
So we have had an independent inquiry into child sexual abuse.
That was a seven-year inquiry costing close to 200 million.
200 million.
The only people that benefited were the lawyers who pocketed all the money.
So these inquiries only benefit the legal profession.
They don't get justice.
That was done for seven years, originally put in by Theresa May, I think, in 2015.
But that was only done because of Jimmy Saville.
That was not done because of grooming gangs.
And there's only a subsection in that 200 million pound inquiry into grooming gangs.
So people are right to call for an inquiry into this specific area.
And why the specific area?
Well, this area is not being talked about.
This area has been ignored.
This area or media and politicians and local authority run away from because they're afraid.
So you have to focus on what others are not talking about.
If there are other areas of abuse, then if they're being addressed and focused on, then that is good.
And therefore, you'll get justice in those areas.
But in this area, the focus is not on this and justice has not been done.
And not one single girl, we're involved in a legal battle.
We're four years in the legal battle of getting one of the survivors legal recompense.
She is suing her perpetrator and getting money.
Never done before.
No British government, Conservatives or Labour, have never said, you know, if an individual is sent away for abusing these girls for child rape, then actually they must pay recompense to the girls.
That would make sense.
But these girls are dragged through the courts again, have to pay thousands and thousands, tens of thousands, tens of thousands, 30,000 plus if they want to fight against their perpetrator for money back.
That should not be the case.
There's so many things that could be done to make this a fair system for the girls.
You cannot reclaim their childhood, no, but you can say, actually, we will give you financial justice.
And that's what should happen.
These individuals should stay in jail for life.
They should never be released.
They should have all their assets taken off them.
And those assets should be given to these girls.
That's what should happen.
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But hey, if you say that, you're far right.
If you're on the side of those who are abused, those who are disadvantaged, those who are downtrodden in society, surely that's what we should be doing.
And that's what you have highlighted, Ezra.
That's what we've tried to highlight in Hartsville.
That's what Lord Pearson, that's what Tommy has highlighted.
And there are a few loud voices that have championed these girls and have highlighted the injustice.
And I think with Elon Musk shining light on this, we will get justice.
Yeah.
Well, last point about Elon Musk.
I mean, obviously he's the world's richest man.
I think he's the world's most interesting man.
He's the world's most followed man on Twitter, which isn't surprising.
He owns the platform.
And as far as I know, he has only used in this UK case the power of his voice.
In America, he spent a lot of money also in the and he campaigned personally with Donald Trump.
Actually, every day he campaigned in Pennsylvania.
But so far in the UK, he's really just used the power of his voice, which is fascinating.
I mean, technically anyone could do it.
Kim Kardashian has a lot of followers on Twitter too.
If she chose to weigh in, I'm sure that would make news.
But I think one of the reasons why Elon Musk's comments pack an extra wallop is because people know he is being named by Donald Trump as an incoming advisor on how to shrink government waste.
And so I think part of it is Brits and, I mean, Emmanuel Macron yesterday was denouncing Elon Musk as a meddler in European affairs.
I think a lot of European leaders, especially on the left, are worried that this isn't just Elon Musk.
Donald Trump may share some of these views and may try something dramatic.
I mean, Elon Musk has called for the King of England to dissolve the parliament.
And I'm not quite sure if it would rise to the, I mean, I think that's technically a power the king has, but I don't think he would ever use it six months into a government just because they're having a run-in-the-mill crisis.
I think people are worried that Donald Trump might get some of this Elon Musk zeal and do something dramatic.
And with Trump, it's hard to tell if he's serious when he says he wants to buy Greenland.
Is he serious?
I think he is in that case.
When he wants to annex Canada as the 51st state, I think he would.
I don't think that's going to happen, but Trump likes to banter.
I think part of it is the Brits are scared of Trump.
And Keir Starmer and his foreign secretary, David Lamy, have both personally insulted Trump in the most outrageous language, calling him a neo-Nazi, a misogynist.
So I think they're worried that they're going to get smacked back.
I don't know.
It's sort of interesting to see because is Musk acting for himself?
Is he I don't know all of his motivations and I don't know where Trump is on this, but I have to tell you, it's been fascinating and a pleasure to see a cause that you and I both care about being given such a such a huge platform.
Last word to you, Peter.
Well, I don't think there is going to be a Trump Tower in Greenland.
They've got 60,000 people, so I don't think they could fill a Trump Tower.
So that's one thing that's not going to happen.
But you're right.
There's a lot of talk about billionaires affecting world politics.
I mean, Soros and Gates have never done that, have they?
No, we've been critical of that side.
But we've seen the woke pendulum swing so far.
And to me, whenever you talk about the issue of grooming gangs of up to a million girls being trafficked, sexually trafficked in the UK, and that being accepted as completely normal, if you're against that, you're an extremist, you're far right.
Then, you know, I want a light to be shone on that injustice.
And if that means a billionaire affecting UK politics, then bring it on.
I don't know whether that makes me a hypocrite.
I haven't sat back and looked because we're only seven days into this year.
So I haven't yet processed what exactly is happening.
But as someone who has talked about and highlighted this horrendous issue back from when we launched in Horton in 2020, Lord Pierce has been doing it for longer.
Many others have been doing it for even longer than that.
We need to get justice for these girls.
So I'm interested in justice.
And if Elon Musk's speaking brings justice to those girls, then I'm extremely happy with that.
If that makes me a hypocrite, then that makes me a hypocrite.
But I'll want that to be outweighed by the good that it does to getting justice for these girls that have been completely ignored by society and the media.
So this is what we have hoped for, wished for, prayed for for many years, that someone like Elon Musk would see this issue for what it was as an injustice and highlight this.
Now, you see some of his tweets and you think, hmm, I wouldn't tweet that.
And you wonder where, what's happening.
But at the end of the day, the focus is on good.
The focus is on getting these girls the right for justice.
So I'll go along with that.
I don't know where that makes me a hypocrite as for it, but hey, we'll go along with that.
I'm enjoying the ride.
And hey, we're only, we've got another 51 weeks in the year to go.
So who knows what could happen?
And Trump hasn't even taken the White House yet.
He's not in his seat.
So who knows?
Yeah, it's amazing days.
Well, Peter, great to see you.
Great to catch up.
Give my best to Lord Pearson.
And we'll keep watching and we'll visit from time to time.
We've been talking with Peter McAlvenna.
He's a special assistant to Lord Pearson, member of the House of Lords in the UK.