Sheila Gunn-Reid and Tom Harris’s new book, Energy and Climate at a Glance: The Canadian Edition, challenges climate alarmism by citing unbroken NOAA records like 1936’s Dust Bowl and Canada’s 1.5% global emissions share while warning of $700 carbon tax hikes for truckers by 2030. Azerbaijan’s Ilham Aliyev defied Western hypocrisy at COP29, calling fossil fuels "a gift from God," as conferences like Dubai’s were held in oil-dependent nations. The UN’s $1.3T climate financing demand and The Lancet’s cold-weather mortality data clash with media narratives, exposing perceived bias—like CBC’s alleged censorship of COVID-19 vaccine risks. Gunn-Reid frames resistance as a fight against radicalized left policies, urging Canadians to reject net-zero mandates, EV myths, and food shortages tied to fertilizer bans, while demanding bold opposition to what they call "woke government" overreach. [Automatically generated summary]
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Is the climate scare over?
I think it is, and a brand new book gives you the arguments to make the case.
I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
We might finally be clear of the last, I don't know, two decades of climate hysteria.
I mean, they can only go on with this nonsense for so long until you have enough time between now and when the hysteria started for you to realize that the world hasn't ended, that we're not being boiled alive, that some sort of environmental cataclysm has not struck us while you do your best to live your life while Justin Trudeau makes everything more expensive because of the climate scare.
Now, let me tell you why I think the climate scare might actually be over.
Well, the election of President Trump in the United States, the appointment of Chris Wright, the CEO of Denver-based fracking company Liberty Energy, as the secretary of the Department of Energy, the creation of the Council of National Energy, which will promote energy security in the United States,
this new collaboration between Alberta and our partners in the United States, circumventing Ottawa on energy security, it's the dawn of a new age.
And I think if normal people just have a little bit of the right information, things they already know commonsensically, but they just need the figures, the graphs to debunk the hysteria of the left, I think the bottom falls right out of this.
And that's why I'm so happy to welcome back a good friend of the show, my friend Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition Canada to tell us about the new book he has co-authored, tell you how to get it.
And then we're going to discuss the lackluster, but also moderately interesting latest United Nations climate change conference that was held in a petro state.
I don't think these people are trying anymore.
Anyway, here's the interview re-recorded earlier.
Take a listen.
Joining me now is good friend of the show, good friend of Rebel News, Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition.
Tom, I got to tell you, you're my brother-in-law's, well, at least one of his favorite regular guests on the gun show.
And I wanted to have you on.
I know it's been too long since I've had you on, but you have just released a new book.
And I think it's an easy read.
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It's an 88-page book published by Canadians for Sensible Climate Policy.
And it is Energy and Climate at a Glance, the Canadian edition.
Tell us why you published this book.
Yeah, for sure.
Well, the Heartland Institute two years ago published Climate and Energy at a Glance for students and teachers.
And it's being very successful.
Many, many people have used it.
And we thought, hey, you know, this would be great to have something like that for Canada.
So Canadians for Sensible Climate Policy, which people can check out at sensiblechange.ca, they teamed up with Heartland since Heartland had all the facilities for printing and everything else and the expertise to actually put it together properly.
And Sterling Burnett from Heartland Institute worked with John Zacharias to produce this.
And I'm a contributing author.
It's just 88 pages and it goes through virtually everything you can imagine.
Okay.
It talks about what are Canada's targets.
What are the things that they want to do to actually achieve those targets?
How would we do it?
It's not feasible, of course.
Then it talks about the impact of what would happen if we did it.
The massive impact on the average person charging $55,000 or more per house when you buy it because of all this climate stuff.
And then it gets into the science.
And it shows things like this, climate-related deaths.
Okay.
Everybody says, oh my God, there's this massive emergency, an existential threat around the world.
But you look at the deaths and it's gone way, way down.
Now, part of it is because, you know, it's obvious that we have better remote sensing.
We can actually forecast when hurricanes are coming.
But it's also because extreme weather has not increased.
Okay.
If you look at the best database of its kind in the world, it's called the NOAA Extreme Weather Database for States.
It's weather records on a statewide basis.
And individual towns don't really matter so much because the bottom line is you're going to have an increase in temperature because of the city growing and you have the urban heat island.
But in the case of states, it's a bigger area, so it makes sense.
So they track maximum temperature, minimum temperature, most rain, most snow, biggest hailstone.
Colorado had a hailstone half a foot in diameter, if you can imagine that.
And here's a question, a skill testing question I always ask my audiences.
And again, this is the best database of its kind in the world, okay?
Now, it's not the whole world, but it is very much, you know, an American thing.
And it's interesting because in 1936, during the Dust Bowl, there were 27 extreme weather records set, 27, you know, highest temperature and all those other things.
And those records still stand today, if you can believe that.
So I asked my audience, and I did this just the other day when I was speaking to farmers.
I say, and how many extreme weather records do you think were set this year so far on a statewide basis in the United States?
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None.
Yeah, you're right.
So you win a book.
You win a book.
So we decided that this had to be done.
Actually, Canadians for Sensible Climate Policy contacted me and asked me to help out, which I am.
And we're selling them now on our website for $22.
You know, and you can actually, that includes tax and shipping.
And you go to our website and you actually click on the donate button.
It takes you to a page and fill in $22 in the custom amount for the website, you know, because you can otherwise choose fixed amounts like $50 and things.
And there's a place where you can put comments and you just say for the green book, because we're calling it the green book.
And, you know, this has been authored by president of Friends of Science, Ron Davidson.
You probably know him and with Michelle's group.
And it's also authored by Sterling Burnett and a group of us are contributing authors.
So yeah, we're selling this all over the place.
If people want it in a hurry, we can courier it because Canada Post is on strike right now.
But this is a wonderful thing to carry around and to put under the Christmas tree.
I was just going to say, this is a great Christmas gift for the climate skeptic in your life, but also for the liberal in your life, the people who are who is the they're when they're the true believers in the climate hysteria and this net zero nonsense.
They really need to understand what it means to pursue net zero, the cost and the burden, the financial burden that cities and consumers will have to bear.
Because it, you know, you hear the liberals talk about it in the House of Commons.
It's part of my job is to listen to the liberals lie to us in the House of Commons.
But, you know, to really break it down, and that's what I think Friends of Science really does well too, is break down what these huge macro issues really mean to your pocketbook.
What is it going to cost me when you're already struggling to put groceries in the fridge in a time of inflation?
How much is it going to cost to fill up the minivan to take gifts to hockey?
Those are the things people really care about.
Oh, yeah.
And it's so often built on the backs of lies.
I was reading through some of the data that you sent over.
And, you know, this is something that's near and dear to my heart here in Alberta because every time there's a forest fire, they want to hike the carbon tax.
And Jasper just burned thanks to decades of mismanagement of the forest there.
And yet, still, they say it's, you know, it's a climate issue and not a pine beetle issue.
Yeah.
Well, we actually deal with that issue in the book.
You know, we show the actual amount of ground that's being burned, amount of forest.
And, oh, here's a cool graph.
I love this one.
It shows Canada's contribution to world emissions.
You know, I mean, it's 1.5%.
It's just about nothing.
And, you know, you're talking about the cost in our pocketbook.
I wanted to give you one number that I used in a presentation just recently to farmers.
You know, these huge Peterbilt trucks that ship cattle, they ship wheat, all sorts of things.
They're massive big trucks.
They have a 300-gallon diesel fuel tank.
Well, you know, it costs about $2,000 to fill it up.
It's pretty expensive.
By 2030, the carbon tax at the current rate of increase will be $700 every time you fill up your tank when you're one of these truck drivers.
$700.
And so, you know, the numbers are incredible.
It's all sort of hidden and you don't actually see it when you go to the pump.
But imagine paying $700 every time you fill up your tank of one of these big trucks to ship us our food.
So of course the price is going to go through the roof because everything that we buy has to be shipped somehow.
And, you know, it's, and of course, the fact is, none of the main developing countries are doing this at all.
I mean, China, believe it or not, is still considered a developing country.
Right.
World's second largest economy.
Yeah, that's right.
And of course, there's a clause in the Framework Convention on Climate Change, which underlies the Paris Agreement, that says the first and overriding priority for developing countries is poverty alleviation development.
So since coal is the cheapest form of electricity, that's what they're using because, of course, it allows them to develop quickly.
Now, you'd laugh, Sheila.
The various reporters cornered the Chinese ambassador when the COP was held, the Conference of the Parties, that we'll talk about in a minute, was held in Peru.
And they asked him, would you consider changing parts of the framework convention so that developing countries don't have this out clause?
And he said, these are practically the exact words.
said oh no the purpose of the paris agreement is to enforce the framework convention not to change it so china has an out clause you know a lot of people will say well china has to cap their emissions in 2030 well that's what paris says but the underlying treaty which is the framework convention which takes precedence and actually in the paris agreement it says the framework convention is the basic rule it says that their first and overriding priority is poverty alleviation development not greenhouse gas reduction.
So come 2030 when their emissions, well, now it's double the United States.
By then it'll be triple.
Their emissions are going through the sky.
People are going to say, hey, you have to cap them now.
And they'll say, nope, we got an out clause.
It's right here.
And the truth is they never have to reduce emissions.
And of course, China's building coal stations all over the world.
So if you were concerned about greenhouse gases, and our book shows why you shouldn't, then China is going to just take over everything that we do.
You know, it's funny.
You look at Ottawa, for example, city of Ottawa, city of Calgary, similar.
They have these multi-billion dollar climate plans.
And yet the impact on climate is so tiny, even for the whole of Canada.
You can't even measure it.
I mean, it's just trivial.
And it's wild that, you know, our government has signed on to the Paris Agreement, where, as you say, the explicit, the explicit motive of this is poverty alleviation in China and not reductions in emissions, but to do that, you have to inflict poverty on Canadians.
Yeah, that's right.
And Guibot just announced at the COP, which we'll talk about in a second, the Conference of the Parties, the UN Climate Conference in Azerbaijan.
He just announced that he's proposing a worldwide tax on marine shipping, another carbon tax, you know?
And I mean, so they don't, I've never seen a tax they don't like.
I love it when you interview Chris Sims because actually she did a very good X that I shared with you, very good X presentation on, okay, we got another carbon tax coming, thanks to our Mr. Guibot, you know, the former Greenpeace tower scaler.
Yeah, Klein's around Klein's house.
Yeah, and I sent you a graph from this book, which I think is really interesting.
It shows when the maximum temperatures were set provincially and territorially across Canada.
And what you can see is it is true that, you know, BC set their records in the 2000s.
But look at Alberta, 113 degrees Fahrenheit, 1937.
Okay.
Nova Scotia, 10.9 degrees, 1935.
So the beauty of this book is it has, first of all, easy to understand language.
It's easy to carry around.
It's just a little book.
You wouldn't believe that's 88 pages, but it is because they're very efficient.
But it has graphs and figures that just make me laugh.
I mean, they're not comical.
They're not putting in cartoons, but it just looks so ridiculous.
Oh, when was the record for Saskatchewan or whatever?
You know, it's nuts.
Well, and it debunks the hysteria.
It debunks the hysteria that it's getting warmer.
It's not.
That extreme weather is getting worse.
It's not.
That there are more forest fires than ever.
There aren't fire seasons.
They seem to be worse in places that people know, because in many of the places that people know, like Jasper, the feds are in charge.
And I think that's necessary because a lot of people just believe the TV.
You know, the politicians said this.
The experts said this.
And the experts are so often activists and not scientists at all.
I mean, I recall for about four years, the world believed that Greta Tunberg was some sort of climate scientist.
And I think the world still believes that David Suzuki is one.
And yet the government, the government is basically gambling our national fortune.
And this is a point that Canadians for Sensible Climate Policy make.
It's a massive wager.
In fact, on the front cover, they say a great wager of national treasure.
Because, you know, the kind of funds they're talking about rival virtually every government department.
I mean, they want climate change.
They want a climate change lens to look at virtually everything.
You want to build houses.
What's the climate change impact?
You want to have EVs.
And by the way, they have a good section on EVs.
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You know, it's interesting.
Volkswagen did an interesting study and they found that it takes something like, I think it was 30 years for a Volkswagen car to actually emit as much greenhouse gas as an EV as a diesel does.
Okay.
And before that time, you end up in a situation where you have to replace the battery.
So in many cases, they don't reduce greenhouse gases either.
So, you know, this book is going to be very helpful for people.
I think so too.
I think these issues are often purposefully complicated by the other side so that you just feel overwhelmed.
You know, they use acronyms for everything instead of saying climate change conference, it's got to be COP29, conference of the parties 29.
It's so that normal people with their common sense feel slightly intimidated to weigh in.
But I think normal people know taxes don't change the weather.
And if you throw a virgin in the volcano, it doesn't stop it from erupting.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And that's really what it comes down to.
Yeah.
Well, and also, you know, one of the projects that I'm working with Canadians for Sensible Climate Policy, and that's at sensiblechange.ca, is their Pathfinder program.
You know, what we've done here is if you look at the CSCP website, that's sensiblechange.ca, and you just scroll down a bit, you see a box that says become a Pathfinder.
Now, becoming a Pathfinder is free.
It doesn't cost anything.
But what it does is it gives you access to parts of the website that give you inside information.
And also twice a month, I'll be having a podcast, a video podcast, in which I give them the latest and the greatest things they have to know.
Not just the actual facts and figures that they have to know, but how to actually beat the left at their own game.
Okay.
And a lot of that is based on Sololinsky's Rules for Radicals, you know, which they used, of course, to take over our institutions in the first place.
So if you click on become a Pathfinder, you get added to a database and you're notified when new things go up.
You're notified when I'm going to give presentations because we're trying to replicate what we did in Ottawa.
And you remember in Ottawa, in the mayoral debates in the election in 2022, various people from Action for Canada and other groups actually worked with us so that they were well equipped to go to the microphone during the mayoral debates and say, what are you doing?
You're going to spend $57 billion for Ottawa's climate plan and the theoretical change by 2100 be one ten thousandth of a degree.
Like, what are you doing?
So they actually, you know, debate after debate after debate, went to the microphone and basically embarrassed the candidates who were supporting the climate scare.
And that's what we want to do across Canada.
And so if people click on become a Pathfinder, you'll become part of our team and, you know, we'll keep you up to date.
You don't have to do anything, but we'll help you speak out at your own committee meetings.
It's your own town council and things like that.
Yeah, and we've got an election coming up.
And so there are going to be a lot of opportunities, a lot of local town halls where you can doorstop your own candidates and ask them these tough questions.
You know, it's about damn time our side did this.
Frankly, I sign up to, you know, I get for Sethics emails.
I get Makeway emails, which is the rebrand of tides because they became so toxic that they couldn't go by their own name anymore.
I sign up for the emails from the other side because first of all, I want to know what they're doing.
And I'm always curious about the level of training they give to their activists and this like enlistment of this army of the misinformed out there.
And they're really engaged in training activists on the ground.
And it's about time adopted some of that.
Yeah, and they're brave.
Okay.
This is one thing you can't help but admire their bravery.
I mean, they will get arrested.
They will go to town hall meetings and raise cane.
You know, in fact, Alinsky's rule number one is if you're a small group, you have to raise a din so that you appear to be much bigger.
So, you know, if we get five people that go to a town hall meeting and they sit separately, so nobody knows they're coordinated and they go to the microphone and one after the other say, yeah, I agree with that last speaker.
You know, I think he's right.
And you make a noise.
You know, at one of our town hall, actually it was a mayoral debate.
We had an activist, a volunteer, who stood outside the, you know, she stood well outside the building and she was handing out handouts to various people and very brave lady.
And she was really harassed by the climate activists, but she didn't back down.
She was very polite, very professional, you know, and she used the tactics of Saul Alinsky to actually show the climate alarmists that what they were saying didn't make any sense.
And it was interesting because people in the vicinity who saw how well she handled this abuse of climate activists, they all said, oh, we want one of those flyers too.
Okay.
So, you know, the climate activists are not used to conservatives standing up and effectively organizing and effectively speaking out and being brave.
But the bottom line is if we don't do that, we're going to lose our society.
Right.
I mean, this is the Freedom Convoy over again, but for climate change.
That's right.
Because the Freedom Convoy, while they were, you know, there were thousands of them, but they were reflective of, I think, the greater Canadian populace who had just had enough.
And they went there and they were well-behaved.
They were a little bit, you know, rambunctious for a boring city like Ottawa, but they were well-behaved.
The crime rate went down.
They left the streets clean.
And they were, you know, fun-loving, happy warriors.
And I think that's what we have to be.
And so when we're confronted with the ugliness of the radical left, meet them with kindness, meet them with articulation of our points.
And, you know, you'll always come out looking better in the end.
Right.
And, you know, many people on the left have a good heart.
They're just misinformed.
They're just misinformed.
Somebody radicalized them.
Yeah.
Well, you know, the old expression, if you're young and you're not left wing, you don't have a heart.
If you're old and left wing, you don't have a brain.
I think that applies in the East.
I think Alberta is different.
Yeah.
No, that's true.
Yeah, right.
But, you know, the bottom line is many of these people simply don't know.
I mean, one of my sisters is a strong socialist and she thinks the climate scare is totally insane because she realizes that as a result of the climate scare, we're hurting the world's most vulnerable people.
We're preventing Africans from using their own fossil fuels.
That's the price of electricity goes through the roof because we're supposedly stopping climate change.
And of course, that hurts the poor more than anybody.
And when you make, and this is something they actually talked about in this book and others, when you actually make the fossil, or sorry, the solar panels and the wind turbines, you're relying on China primarily for raw materials.
And they have horrible human rights and environmental standards.
So you're actually hurting the environment.
And it's just crazy because what I love to see is activists get to the microphone and say to the politicians, look, you keep talking about a clean energy transition.
Do you realize where these things come from?
Do you realize that when they're making wind turbines, the energy source they're using in China is coal?
So yeah, you don't get away with it.
I got a piece of coal here somewhere.
I can't find it.
But the bottom line is coal is a wonderful energy source.
It's solid.
It's dependable.
It sits on site for years.
You don't have to pipe it in.
It's inexpensive.
So yeah, use the latest pollution control, but don't try and convince.
And this actually, I'll bring up one quick point.
Pierre Polyev, sadly, is supporting the climate scare.
He says we want to have carbon sequestration, which is stuffing carbon dioxide underground, which will do nothing except massively increase the price of electricity.
He wants to have more and more electric vehicles.
He wants to convince developing countries to stop using their coal and instead use clean Canadian natural gas to stop climate change?
Come on, we can sell them our natural gas.
That's great, but it's not going to have any impact on climate.
So, you know, the people in the Conservative Party have got to look south.
You did a really super show on the Trump election.
They've got to look south and realize that, look, here is Trump, who has many times called the climate scare a hoax, which it is, generally speaking.
And he got elected twice.
Okay.
Stephen Harper, before he became prime minister, called the Kyoto Protocol a money-sucking socialist scheme.
And he got elected and he even ended up with a majority.
So, you know, the idea that you have to support the climate scare to get elected is simply wrong.
So, you know, various people, Chris Sims and all sorts of people, they're basically saying, you know, I won't put words in her mouth, but I interpreted her as saying that, come on, grow a backbone, you conservatives.
Yes.
You know, stand up and say this whole thing doesn't make any sense.
Well, and let's say you do care about emissions.
I definitely don't, and I like to stress that all the time.
But fossil fuels are the solution.
Trump, emissions fell under Trump.
They fell under Trump from, I think, 2017 on.
And that was because of the fracking renaissance.
Right.
And there's another reason why one kind of emissions are falling.
And this relates to farmers especially.
And that is nitrous oxide from fertilizer.
Okay.
There are three main things that the Kyoto Paris Agreement people are concerned about.
That's carbon dioxide, which of course is plant food.
It's not a problem.
It's massively enriched, you know, our fertilizer.
Sorry, it's increased crop yield hugely.
The second one is methane from cows and pigs and things like that.
But the third one, and this is an interesting one, it's nitrous oxide, N2O.
That's laughing gas that they use at their dentist.
Now, the idea behind it is this.
About half the world's population is fed with inorganic artificial fertilizers.
Okay, it's massively important.
In fact, when people say, what was the most important invention of the 20th century?
I always say the Haberbosch process where you could use natural gas to actually reform it and make artificial fertilizers.
So what happens is they put the ammonia, which is NH3, they put it, is it NH3?
Yeah, they put it on the crop and a lot of it, about 60% of it in Ontario, I'm not sure about other provinces, but about 60% of it is absorbed.
However, some of it runs off into the surrounding ground and goes into the ground, water, et cetera.
And then it reacts with microbes in the soil and produces nitrous oxide, okay, nitrous oxide, N2O.
Now, the environmentalists will tell you that that is much more powerful per molecule than carbon dioxide.
And that is true as a greenhouse gas.
And that's true.
But the thing is, they measure it in parts per billion, okay?
It's very, very tiny.
And William Happer at Princeton University, if people do a search for William Happer and greenhouse gases, you'll see he's done papers that show you could literally double CO2, methane, and nitrous oxide, double it, and the temperature effect would be very, very small.
So, but the federal government, you know, they use the idea that we have to reduce nitrous oxide.
What will really happen is you'll have to massively reduce fertilizers.
Okay.
So, you know, the bottom line is the increased cost of actually farming will become much higher.
They won't get as high a yield.
Food prices will go through the roof.
And one more thing there.
We're price takers.
We're not price setters.
So if our inputs are high and our yields are low and we're selling into a global marketplace, your farmers just get poor and go out of business.
Well, exactly.
And, you know, the farmers, they have a very strong incentive already to use as little fertilizer as well.
Of course, it's expensive.
Because it's expensive.
And so they're very efficient in their use of fertilizers already.
So the only real way that you can reduce nitrous oxide is to reduce the amount of artificial fertilizers you use.
And that will massively reduce crop yield.
And you look at Sri Lanka.
Okay.
Sri Lanka was the poster child for the World Economic Forum.
They said they were going to have only natural fertilizers, no inorganic fertilizers.
And essentially they had a revolution.
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Okay.
The president ran away from the country for fear of his life.
Prices of rice and all sorts of things skyrocketed.
They had a major economic breakdown.
And that's what happens if you get rid of inorganic fertilizers.
And of course, since half the world is fed with inorganic fertilizers, you'd have mass starvation.
So those things are actually covered in this book.
People pick it up.
And I hope they do.
They should order it now.
Yeah.
If they can, because of the Canada post-strike.
Well, right.
And in fact, if you want in a hurry, we can send it by courier, but otherwise we have to wait till the strike's over.
But do order it now while we have our limited number of copies.
I have 300 copies coming on Friday.
Oh, okay.
Well, we don't need you storing those in your house.
Let's get those ordered.
I want to talk to you about the ongoing, or is it just wrapped up?
What they call COP29.
It's the annual UN Climate Change Conference.
You and I normally meet at these things, not the past couple of years, because I believe Azerbaijan is not as friendly to uncontrollable journalists as some of the other places of the world that I've been to.
Yeah, it's great.
It has some similarities with the last COP, which was in Dubai.
And, you know, these are oil-producing countries.
And as a consequence, a lot of the people there, 1700 actually are oil representatives.
Now, it's interesting.
I just wanted to read you a couple of quotes from the president of Azerbaijan for which he got horrible feedback.
But quite frankly, he's right.
And I was saying all of a sudden, yeah.
Yeah, I was saying under the comment sections, I wish our leaders were this courageous.
So in the opening ceremony, they had something called the World Leaders Climate Summit.
And this was held in Baku.
And by the way, it's ironic it's held in Baku because Baku was the first oil city in the world.
Okay.
And you go back to the 300 ADs and what you find is that they were actually pulling oil out of the ground.
They were using it over many centuries.
Marco Polo spoke about it.
They were using it for oil lamps okay, and actually for band-aids and various medical purposes.
It wasn't until the?
Uh second half of the 1800s that the first oil well was hit in the United States.
Uh, Canada was slightly before that, but Baku was literally the world's first oil town.
Okay they, if you look at Wikipedia, it's quite interesting.
They had massive usage of oil long, long before we did so.
It was kind of ironic, and 90 of Azerbaijan's exports are fossil fuels.
So of course they're not going to, you know, be against this.
And she says this, or he says this, and I'll just get his name here, the president of Azerbaijan.
I'll just get his name to be complete.
Ilham Aliyah.
Okay.
I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, but he said some things that were awesome.
I mean, totally awesome.
And this is what the conservatives should be saying in Canada.
He said, to accuse us of having oil is the same thing as accusing us of having more than 250 sunny days in Baku, you know?
And by the way, Baku, I should say, Azerbaijan is doing really well financially.
Their foreign debt is only 7.5% of their GDP.
Canada is over 100% of our GDP.
So we should actually take a page out of their book.
Anyway, he says, it's natural resources, the country's natural resources, which are a gift from God.
I said this several months ago.
And this is the beginning of a climate conference.
He's saying this.
The environment is going, stop it.
But anyway, he continued.
He said, I said this several months ago.
And now those who want to attack me, particularly the international media, simply quote me saying, this is a gift from God.
And I want to repeat it here again for a third time.
It is a gift from God.
Every natural resource, whether it's oil, gas, wind, sun, gold, silver, copper, they're all natural resources.
Countries should not be blamed for having them and should not be blamed for bringing these resources to the market because the market needs them.
The people need them.
So that is my message.
And then he goes on to say, welcome to Baku.
I just love it.
You know, I don't know what his other politics are, but this is the kind of guy we want.
You know, his kind of speaking out.
He says, unfortunately, double standards, the habit of lecturing other countries and political hypocrisy has become kind of a modus operandum for some politicians, state-controlled NGOs.
And he's watching Trump because his last words were, and fake media in some Western countries.
Love it.
Yay, president of Azerbaijan.
Way to go.
It's so funny that the UN has picked the last few countries.
It feels like the UN is trying to colonize these countries with climate nonsense and getting some resistance.
So Dubai, I think the year before that was Egypt.
Then prior to that was Poland.
And they put it in Katowice, which is the coal capital.
And then they were, to their credit, they were having none of it.
I think the opening ceremonies had the coal miners marching band to open it up.
And it was right next.
And it was right next door to the coal miners museum, like the walking museum.
We went on a tour of that when we were there.
And yeah, I was.
And likewise, now Azerbaijan, even Bonn, Germany.
I get why they put it there because it's the UN head office or one of them or whatever.
But they're along the river and you can see the coal barges going past the climate change conference in the background.
I'm just really looking forward to next year when Trump starts sending the oil companies to these things like he did last time.
There was one funny thing that happened, funny, ironic.
There's a group in a human rights group called Global Witness, okay?
And they posed as a Hong Kong investor and they got in touch with the people that work with the COP executive director.
And they set up a meeting, totally fictitious.
They set up a meeting because they wanted to invest in the state oil company.
And if you actually look on BBC, you can see the actual video.
They videotaped him, I presume, without his permission, and then they shared it with the media.
And of course, the head of the COP is also a former oil executive.
Okay, some of us, and I'll read from the BBC, some observers have expressed concern about the world's largest climate conference taking place in Azerbaijan.
Its minister for ecology and natural resources, a former oil executive that spent 20 years in Azerbaijan's state oil company called Solpan, is the world's chairman.
Okay.
And they actually got in touch with one of these top UN people, Azerbaijanis, who's also been previously working in the oil industry.
And they interviewed him with this fake excuse.
And then they publicized it.
BBC, of course, didn't say, hey, if you're a human rights group, you should be caring about some sort of ethics.
And you lied to get this interview.
Then you probably recorded it without his permission.
Then you share it with the media because what he was doing, he was actually trying to make oil deals, to which I say, great.
I mean, those people that came to your conference, they didn't fly there with wind power.
And you know, Sheila, I think a lot of the world leaders are not taking these things seriously.
I'll just listen to the world leaders.
Dubai did the same thing last year when they thought, let's strike some oil deals.
Well, the gang's here.
They're already here.
Let's strike some oil deals.
I don't blame them for that.
I think it's a good, good move.
Well, and it's a total double standard because there's lots of deal, lots of deals being established for wind and solar power.
But the president of Azerbaijan, he says, sure, we're pushing wind and solar power, but it wouldn't be complete without me saying that this is the gift from God, the fact that we have oil.
And many of the leaders did not go to this.
I think the whole thing is kind of winding down.
I mean, Biden didn't go, Trudeau didn't go.
And the leaders of Russia, France, India, Mexico, Germany, Australia, none of them actually went.
So they managed to attract something like 50,000 people.
CBC's Banned Life Debate00:06:34
I'd love to see the greenhouse gas footprint to this event, but none of the leaders actually went.
Now, the main purpose of the event, and this is really, really critical for people to know, the main purpose is finance.
Okay, the Western world agreed to $100 billion, I believe it's US, a year to go to developing countries to help them get off fossil fuels and also to save them from the ravages of climate change.
Well, guess what?
Developing countries say that's not enough.
10 times more.
No, no, not 10 times more, 13 times more.
They want $1.3 trillion per year to come out of our pocketbooks and be transferred to developing countries.
Just let them be pool.
That's right.
And the excuse, and the CBC, they had a special show on just last night I was watching.
They're saying that all these deaths are being caused by global warming.
They clearly, and you know, whenever I try to post this kind of thing on the CBC site, you know, they delete me right away.
But, you know, there's a study in the British journal, the Lancet, very leading journal.
It's certainly not right wing.
And here's the quote.
It says, cold weather kills 20 times as many people as hot weather, according to an international study analyzing over 74 million deaths in 384 locations across 13 countries.
Now, you tell the CBC that, and oh, I should, you know, I suggest to people, everybody post it, because I've now been banned for life.
And you'd laugh to hear why I was banned for life from posting on CBC's website.
Ready.
Okay, the Ontario government during Covid was uh actually showing you a graph that showed the uh likelihood of you getting Covid.
You know, per capita if you were vaccinated, singly vaccinated or not vaccinated.
And what it showed clearly is that the people who were doubly vaccinated were getting Covid much more often per capita than people who were singly, and especially doubly vaccinated.
So I got on underneath the website of, or webpage of, one of the CBC articles and I said, you realize that if you get the vaccine according to these statistics and you can interpret them different ways the Ontario government says your chances of getting COVID are much higher if you're vaccinated.
And CBC immediately deleted my comments.
So I put it up again.
They immediately deleted and I thought they must have an algorithm that looks for, you know, COVID denier stuff, like they do for climate.
And so I took a screen capture of the COVID data from the official Ontario government website.
I put it up and for a day I guess they didn't notice, but then they canceled it, took it off and they banned me for life.
So I contacted audience relations.
I said, look, I'm posting official Ontario government data.
Why am I banned for life?
That's ridiculous.
They said the decision's being made.
You're banned for life.
So I mean, you know people have got to get on the comment sections under CBC until they ban you for life and say hey, more people die from the cold, what are you worried about?
A bit of heat.
That's going to be great for the environment, great for humans, great for agriculture.
Bring it on.
Those people cannot be defunded fast enough.
They cannot, they cannot.
Probably Tom, tell us again how people can support the work that you do, get involved in the work that you do.
And, of course, one more time, let us know how we can get.
Yeah, for sure, go to Icsc-canada.com.
And if you want to contribute to ICSC whether it's to buy a book, in which case put in 22 bucks and the fact, and in the comments say for the green book, then you just click on the donate button and do that.
Or if you want to just donate to us to help us get our message across, to help us train people across Canada to speak out against the climate scare in your jurisdiction, and you could replicate what we did in Ottawa, namely helping defeat a climate activist for mayor.
So yeah, ICSC Canada, we're charging ahead and you know one of our directors is Patrick Moore.
Okay, we're proud of that because Patrick was originally a founder of Greenpeace and now he's working with us.
You did it again.
You forgot your podcast.
Right, I got two podcasts.
One of them i'm restarting because we're going to use that to help educate the pathfinders.
It's called exploratory journeys.
That'll be starting in the next week or so.
Again, pathfinders sign up, click on that button, you'll get into that.
The other is Americaloud.com.
Okay, Americ OUT LOUD is the website of the um, the massive site in the United States.
We have a web or a show called the other side of the story and people would really enjoy the last interview.
We did it with John Robson.
Okay, John Robson is the head of Climate Discussion Nexus.
You've got to go to that website.
He actually went to Baku and his discussions.
You know he always has this great sense of humor.
You know it's it's really fun to watch his videos, but we interviewed him and we haven't interviewed him, as I think it's the second to last one, I can't remember.
But regardless, John Robson's on explore your journeys.
So go to Americaloud.com, click on shows and choose the other side of the story.
Great thanks, Tom.
I'm sorry it's been so long since we had you on the show, but we'll have you back on again very soon Well, everybody, we've come to the portion of the show wherein we invite your viewer feedback.
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Victory For Conservatives00:04:46
So they're on last week's show that I filmed with my friend, Lise Merle, who ran for Regina Public School Board on a pro-parent agenda.
Unfortunately, Lise lost, not by much, against the incumbent far-left radical, who had the support of the school board and the benefit of some electoral interference from the school board, the teachers' unions.
So there's that.
But she did change the conversation and she made it cool to be able to say the things that we all think about gender ideology in school around the dinner table.
That became a campaign issue and people were turning up at town halls to talk about it.
And so she empowered parents.
And I can't wait to see what she does next because she is definitely not done with these people.
And I'm not done with her.
Anyway, so this is on our show from last week.
Robert Howell, 7814, writes, people all over America are praying that the people of Canada rise up and free themselves from the woke government.
They have been suffering under Trudeau for years.
Freedom of speech matters.
If you want it back, you have to vote for it and work to get others to join you.
On the Trump re-election, also, Peter Cornelson, 4843, writes, I just hope Trump can help us get rid of Trudeau and all his BS.
And let's get on with our lives post-Trudeau, something we should be able to deal with ourselves.
We are failing, expecting someone from another country to deal with our problems.
We should feel a little ashamed.
You know what?
I don't think that's what anybody expects here.
I think that what happened in the United States was a victory against the political and cultural establishment.
It was a victory against the mainstream media lies.
It was a victory against the weaponization of the apparatus of government against political dissidents.
Sound familiar?
That's something that Canada is currently living through.
It's a victory against censorship.
It was a victory for the outsiders.
It's a victory for us here in Canada who want a reasonable trading partner.
If you want wealth in the rest of this country, you have to unrestrain Alberta.
And we need a trading partner in the United States who wants to buy our oil.
And that is already happening.
Our Premier Daniel Smith is already meeting with her governor counterparts down there.
In fact, she's going to the inauguration.
We're resetting the relationship before it's even begun.
And I think that's wonderful.
And if you are a Canadian, you need to be paying attention to something else that's happening in the United States that should inspire you, embolden you, and empower you.
The culture has instantly changed in the United States.
They have gone from kneeling because of the national anthem to the president-elect going to UFC, UFC fighters dedicating their fight to God, giving their belt to the president to hold.
Something has happened in the United States.
It has become cool and culturally relevant to be conservative.
Actually, the mainstream, which is conservatism, I think most people care in freedom, liberty, being left alone, the Constitution.
Those people have come out of the closet en masse.
And it's like every day is the 4th of July currently.
It's a stark contrast to the scoldy, dour, unfunny, ashamed to be American, ashamed of their past and their history culture that we've seen the last four years in the United States.
And it happened instantly.
As a Canadian, I'm not looking to Trump to save me, but I'm learning something here.
And I think we all could.
That could be us if we're just unafraid.
And I think that's probably the message of Tom Harris today, too, with some of his criticisms of our political leaders on the conservative side when it comes to the climate scare.
Get bold.
What's the worst that could happen?
You're in opposition right now.
You might just stay there.
Or you could win.
And life could be more affordable for Canadians going forward.
And we could change the culture.
And you could say what millions of Canadians are thinking.
All right.
Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.