Eva Chipiuk and Keith Wilson expose the Emergencies Act Inquiry’s contradictions, including CSIS’s February 13 warning against invoking the act—ignored the next day—and police reports debunking claims of children as "human shields." Wilson links the chaos to government incompetence, citing reliance on mainstream media for intel and failed coordination, while Alan Honor clarifies blockades were cleared before the law’s use. Trudeau’s refusal to negotiate, despite early calls from officials, underscores systemic failures, eroding public trust in institutions amid perceived overreach and misinformation. [Automatically generated summary]
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Happy Monday.
A new week.
New week again here in Ottawa at the Emergencies Act Inquiry with the Public Order Emergency Commission and here with Celine Gallas, my fellow Rebel News colleague.
I'm also here with the great Eva Eva Chipyuk, lawyer for the Freedom Convoy.
How are you doing, Eva?
Thank you.
I'm doing very well.
Nice to be here.
Yes, nice to have you on again.
And later on, we will also have Freedom Convoy lawyer Keith Wilson as well join us on the show.
So today, just a quick rundown, super quick.
And I have a little bit of housekeeping to do right before we get to the action itself.
We saw some pretty interesting, surprisingly, testimonies, even though the crowd was pretty empty.
The room was empty.
There weren't a lot of people.
It was a pretty relaxed and calm day, but some interesting stuff still came out.
So today we saw Mayor of Windsor Andrew Dilkin testify in front of the commission, as well as Chief Deputy Jason Crawley from the Windsor Police Services.
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All right, let's get to it.
So Celine, today, you live tweeted the whole day throughout the commission.
What were your general impressions?
Well, just like we saw last weekend, any of the lawyers that are maybe anti-convoy is a little bit too strong, but we'll call it what it is.
The narrative seems to be very similar week to week with what they get when they go up and they actually are asking these witnesses questions.
So it's kind of like a poultice is what I'm referring to.
Whatever they get from them is usually a part of the same narrative.
Not much new information comes into play until we have the convoy organizer lawyers that go up to the stand and they actually cross-examine these witnesses.
That is usually when I find I get the most out of my day and those tweets also get the most optics impressions.
Of course, always great to hear Brendan Miller and Beth Sheba about cross-examine the witnesses as well as the GCCF and TDF lawyers.
Absolutely.
Eva, your thoughts from today's testimonies that we've heard?
Well, I just wanted to say that I feel the same way with some of the questions that we've been hearing from other council is I do really find, as you were saying, Celine, that when Brendan Miller goes up, he really gets to the heart of why we are all here, whether or not it was justified to enact the Emergencies Act.
We really see him zeroing in on that particular issue.
Today, I know we were going to talk about this, so I'll just jump right into it.
Is Brendan Miller put to the mayor from Windsor a document from CSIS?
So, if we're going to be talking about the Emergencies Act, if we're going to be talking about whether there was a national security threat, who are we going to be asking the question of?
It CESIS.
That's the federal intelligence department.
So, he brought that up.
And what did it say on February 13th?
Is it said, Our recommendation is not to invoke the Emergencies Act because that will actually, in my words, in my summary, cause more harm than good.
He was concerned that it would elicit more extremist views and more violence because people were concerned about the breakdown with the system and the government.
So, you see that kind of evidence come through, and it's nobody else is talking about it.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I know that I saw that CTV edited one of their articles and kind of posted about it afterwards, after the fact, right?
But I think being in that room, like that was so significant.
I was, I mean, it like, you know, it kind of comes with the Miller Brown.
You know, whenever he goes up there, I'm a little bit in shock.
I never know what's gonna, what's gonna happen.
He just zeroes in, like you said, and then it's like, bam.
It's Miller time, closes his notebook, he says, thank you, and then he just goes.
And it's fantastic every time.
So this was significant, and you're right.
Not enough people are talking about that yet.
It says it point blank, and that's something that's been missing.
Yeah, well, let's take a look at the document itself.
If we could show it once again on the screen, if you could just do a little rundown of the document.
So what, what should we get?
What should we understand from this?
So the significant point that I was referring to, and that Brendan Miller actually, what he did was he read it into the record.
So it was the third bullet point there.
And there's no way I could read it from here on the screen, but you could see it's this is Cesis Notes and it's dated February 13th.
And basically it says similar to what I said is that, and I guess everyone can read it for themselves, but invoking the Emergencies Act can cause more harm with increased violence and increased extremist views.
So, you know, you look at something like that, you're getting that straight from the top, and you question immediately why the next day, the federal government invoked the Emergencies Act.
Who are they listening to?
Yeah, exactly.
And tying that into Crowley's testimony afterwards, just to jump ahead a little bit, just to get to this point, he said actually twice, I remember that he was not sure if it was necessary to invoke it in the end based on the rest of his testimony.
So even with them invoking it, and we saw what happened in Ottawa, we saw what happened in Windsor, Ontario at that blockade.
Still, Deputy Chief Jason Crowley said that it was, he implied it was not necessary.
And he said that multiple times through his testimony.
I actually didn't mind listening to his testimony.
It was not the worst.
That's not even the first time that we hear that.
So a little while ago, we heard that the OPP officer, I believe it was Marcel Baudin, might be him, might be another person who gave a document to the federal government, to federal cabinet suggesting that they should negotiate with the protester instead of invoking the emergencies act.
The cabinet at that same meeting where they invoked the act took a look at the document, threw it away, and decided to invoke the emergencies act.
Anyway, it's not the first time that we hear the police say something to Franko, the federal government and the federal government doing the exact opposite.
The second time, I believe, at least.
Yeah, well, unless I completely missed it, but I have not heard one witness thus far say that it was something we needed and it was something that we used, the Emergencies Act.
Yes.
And what's really important from what we've heard today is today it was just Windsor, about Windsor 100%.
So it was the mayor of Windsor and the chief of police, I think, is his role for Windsor.
And both witnesses, you know, what really stood out and what everyone in Canada needs to be reminded of is the blockades that were there were already gone before the Emergencies Act was invoked.
So how could either of these witnesses say that's something we needed?
That's something we asked for when the blockades, the protest was already gone.
Yeah.
I want to talk about the part.
I'm not sure if we have any clips from that yet from the day, but specifically when they were mentioning, again, jumping ahead a little bit, but this part really stood out to me and it bothered me: is all the claims that the protesters were using children, physically using children as body shields.
So I mean, like physically picking up your child and being like, you can't hurt me, and just like having them between the police lines.
Crowley towards the end said he did say this.
He said that when asked by Miller, I need to find that clip by Miller.
He said, well, it was enough hard evidence for me when I saw children standing in a line and like holding hands.
Like that was enough for me to believe the claims and what the misinformation from the mainstream media and the other police reports.
It's just a bunch of hearsay.
Yeah.
Well, before we continue guys, we've been talking for a little while yet.
Let's take a look at that clip so that everyone can see what we're talking about.
Confirmation bias.
Strategic analysis must be driven by direct evidence collection and assessment as opposed to reliance on social media posting as it lacks context and where the posters' bias may not be considered.
Would you agree with that?
Potentially, yes.
But I can say that, like I said, I don't even think I saw this, but when it talks about real evidence, when I heard the protesters themselves on the open chat talking about human shields, children as human shields, and seeing a picture with children holding hands across the intersection at here in church and college in the early stages, that's hard evidence for me.
Okay.
And of course, you followed up on investigating that and making sure that that wasn't an issue.
Our special investigations unit was definitely involved and they interviewed the deal with the children, the crimes against children, along with CAS for sure.
Okay.
And you can agree there that the report there from the 12th from OPP says no persons were observed outside.
There was no children were observed, but believed to be inside a camper.
If we can scroll down, only Canadian flags observed.
That's it.
So you can agree based on that report, as of the 12th, according to the OPP, that wasn't really an issue.
Not at this time, for sure.
And again, you agree possibly with what I said to you with respect to essentially the validity of relying on social media alone, right?
We did not rely on the loan, but I would agree with that.
You cannot rely on alone.
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
So if I could jump into this right away, let's talk about evidence for a second.
So that's something, you know, we've talked a lot about.
You mentioned hearsay.
And I would love if somebody could put up on the screen what the Facebook post was.
Okay, so we can't do that right now.
So I'll encourage you just to watch it.
So what the question was right before is you would see the document, and this was brought up by the federal government.
So they brought up, they called them tweets.
If you actually look at the evidence, it was a Facebook post.
So they didn't even get the source correct, which is not great.
And then what it was is just unidentified.
And Brendan Miller confirmed that in the cross-examination just before this clip started.
He said, Do you know who this person is?
Was this person identified?
Were they even in Windsor?
Do you have any information to corroborate what is said?
And if you look at that post, the words aren't even spelt correctly.
So this is what the federal government was using to put to this chief of police about human shields.
Then you go down one, two pages to an OPP intelligence report.
And you saw right there, it said no children were observed.
So we have the government of Canada using a Facebook post by some unidentified person versus OPP intelligence information.
So even going back to our discussion before about credible CSIS information not being used here, we have credible OPP inform intelligence information not being used.
Rather, the government is looking at a Facebook comment.
It's really incredible, isn't it?
Like when you break it down.
And thank you so much for bringing more context to this because I think this is such an important part of the testimonies from today.
Children, like just the narrative, again, it's very similar to what we're seeing.
They continue to paint the narrative as if these protesters are these dangerous, very, very violent people.
So to the point that they would use their own children as body shields to deter police from taking action.
Again, like you already reiterated and we saw today, that blockade was disassembled even before the Emergencies Act was evoked.
And there were no children that were reported, except for some that were within a camper, safe, warm, and with their families, I would assume.
So really incredulous, really.
Yeah.
Riveting.
Really hard to watch when you see you actually look at the evidence that is being used to justify anything.
You know, evidence is not a Facebook comment.
No.
Goodness, I would hope not.
In that case, I've got a lot of evidence for some cases myself.
My goodness, check those comment sections.
You know, it's got to be truth.
All right.
Well, well, thanks so much for joining us.
Eva, I know that you have to go somewhere with some other people tonight to a certain popular.
Yeah, at a certain location here in Ottawa.
So thanks so much for your time.
I look forward to seeing you, seeing you again soon.
Thanks for coming on.
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How are you doing, Keith?
I'm doing great.
How are you?
Good, good.
It was a slower day yesterday.
I saw, yeah, you guys came in there later, later during the day of the Commission.
Well, you know, we've transitioned now from having the police witnesses, the municipal witnesses, and then the Freedom Convoy folks themselves.
And we're now in this almost sidebar dealing with the border protests with Coots and Windsor.
So I think we all expected it to be a little bit slower.
We're always working on what we need to do three days ahead of time.
All the parties are, because we have to disclose all the documents that we're going to be cross-examining on.
We get our time allocations for cross.
And so even if the day itself seems a little slower, it doesn't mean back at HQ things are very slow.
And what, so we know that we have the Windsor protesters right now.
We also have the Coots protesters.
What do you think we can expect to see come out from their testimonies?
Well, I think, you know, I think the events at Coots and Windsor were resolved prior to Trudeau deciding to invoke the Emergencies Act.
And that's what's absolutely critical.
The only protest or event that was still occurring in Canada when Trudeau and his cabinet made the decision was the protests in Ottawa, which we were in the process of implementing a de-escalation deal with the mayor.
So it's difficult for the government to redeem itself by saying, oh, look at the bad things that were happening at Windsor, look at the bad things that were happening at Coots, because they were all over.
What does happen, though, is because these the RCNP involved in Coots are a party to this, they had to disclose hundreds, in some instances thousands, and we literally are well over 50,000 documents in terms of pages now.
So we data mine through those and we come across documents, as you saw today, with the CSIS briefing that briefed the cabinet on three different instances and basically said, not only do you should you not be invoking the emergencies act, you don't have what it takes, but it's actually a bad idea.
And in face of that, our our our prime minister, who has demonstrated very thin skin and in an inability to withstand any kind of criticism, decided to proceed with invoking it to give him the excuse to bring in police with sticks and clubs and tear gas and forget the right horses.
Let's not forget the horses to trample to trample Canadians' rights, both physically and legally.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now, of course, all right, so we've spoken a little bit about Mayor Dilkin's testimony.
We've also spoken about the Windsor Police Services officer's testimony.
Let's take a look at clip number one.
Let's take a look at part of Mayor Dilkin's testimony where he talks about the fact that in his view, the nature of the protests were unprecedented.
Take a look at that.
But it was just, it was the nature and sort of the spirit of the protests.
It was unlike anything I've ever seen.
You know, I've lived my whole life in the city of Windsor.
It's unlike anything I've ever seen during that time.
And the posture and the language was, you know, it was almost as if folks wanted some sort of brawl on the streets.
You know, they were hoping police would engage in that way so they could have some sort of, you know, brawl in the streets, if I can describe it that way.
What'd you make of that, Celine?
I mean, I tried not to laugh while I heard it in the media room.
Like I did my best because, again, it's the same painting them as these violent people.
I mean, if hot tubs and bouncy castles are, they emit the atmosphere of brawl-like or bar fight-ish, whatever is synonymous to feeling the tensions in a room or in a place where you would consider it to be so dangerous that you anticipate a brawl or people are, it just doesn't make sense to me.
Again, I was at these places.
Like I was at these places.
It's enough said for me.
Just know.
I mean, I don't think the mayor of Windsor, this mayor could be mayor of Ottawa if he thinks that this is a huge protest.
I mean, Ottawa, we get things as big as this often.
Windsor wasn't the place where the convoy was.
That was Ottawa.
What are your thoughts on his comments?
Well, I've got two thoughts.
I mean, the first is one of the concerns at all times while I was here in Ottawa and the lead volunteers here in Ottawa was about the truckers keeping their cool.
You know, Jordan Peterson talked about the truckers keeping their cool.
Tucker Carlson talked about the truckers keeping their cool and so many others.
And that was one of the things that really impressed me about the protesters here in Ottawa is how they were acutely aware that what the prime minister and some of the police wanted was exactly that.
If they wanted to start a brawl, they would have started it.
Oh, for sure they could have.
It took a lot of energy and effort.
And it was remarkable, the absence of any form of violence, the low statistics on crime compared to any other gathering of anything close to this scale or even a fraction of it.
So that's one point.
The other point, though, is, And it's a really important one, and it's this: the reason why these protests occurred, the reason why so many Canadians came out at all these different places was never before in the history of our country did they have governments impose themselves with restrictions on the most basic human rights, fundamental liberties, basic liberties.
Never before did Canadians experience playgrounds and outdoor hockey rinks cordoned off with police tape and teenagers being wrestled to the ground because they had the audacity to be out getting some exercise and playing some hockey.
Never before did government think it was a good idea to tell us that we couldn't be with our families at Christmas and at birthdays and at anniversaries and at Thanksgiving or be at the side of a dying loved one or help and care for someone after they got discharged from hospital or travel across the country.
I could keep going.
We cannot lose sight of how fundamentally far this government and the provincial governments overstepped and overreacted and the harm that they've done.
And that's why we're here in this inquiry and it's going to keep coming out.
I was really pleased with all of the witnesses last week telling their stories and explaining how it had hurt them and their children and their neighbors and their communities.
So there should be no surprise by any elected official, whether it's the mayor of Windsor or anyone else as to why there was an unprecedented protest.
It's because there was an unprecedented overreach in the most un-Canadian way imaginable by these governments.
And the last holdout was Justin Trudeau.
What a lot of people don't remember is the G7 countries did not have a restriction preventing unvaccinated from traveling within their country.
They did not do these things.
Canada was an anomaly.
And it was clearly, and you guys know that I'm also legal counsel to former Premier Brian Feckford on the charter, the travel mandate challenge.
So I had the opportunity to cross-examine all of the key government officials.
None of them recommended the vaccine mandate.
We've seen, we saw in that case, and we're seeing it yet again, that this is political puppeteering by the prime minister and the people around him and his cabinet to put forward their very cynical political game.
You know, I've got three things to say about what she just said.
So, first of all, you know, what's ironic is that the reason why the truckers were here is because civil liberties of Canadians, according to them, were infringed.
They felt like we didn't have any civil liberties.
The government wasn't respecting our charters.
And what did Justin Trudeau do to get rid of the protests?
And did infringe on those charter rights even more than by invoking the Emergencies Act?
That's extremely ironic.
To me, second thing you said, you also mentioned how it was tough to keep cool, to keep the truckers calm during the conflict, make sure none of them get aggressive.
But one person who we saw wasn't able to keep us calm was Glenn McGregor when Samara Leash got out of the Ottawa courthouse after her hearing and the judge told her she was allowed to get off jail and visit her family once again.
take a look at how glenn mcgregor conducted conducted in his cell uh back in july
oh that's what i tweeted today because i i saw someone retweeted this tweet from back to july from me I tweeted today, that's CTV's finest, Glenn McGregor.
I think there's a reason why he's not the inquiry.
He knows that when he sees the evidence go the wrong way, he won't be able to keep his cool.
I think this right here, just so unprofessionals.
And this guy pushed another protester that was there.
It's not the first time he did it.
The first time he did it was actually at the February 3rd press conference right after I'd arrived.
And as we were leaving the press conference room and we went into the broader hallway, I was at the back of the group.
Tamara was further up with Chris Barber and others.
And myself and Danny Bulford were in the last of the group.
So just as we were entering a stairwell, Mr. McGregor, who's apparently acquired the nickname Punchy McGregor and quite aptly so, came in with both sets of elbows and elbowed myself and Mr. Bulford in the chest aggressively in an effort to get in front of us to get up the stairs to go after Tamara.
So it's a different style.
It kind of reminded me of the old WWF wrestling.
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Maybe he'd be better to go back and cover that and get in the ring and throw a chair or something.
It seems to be about his calendar.
I think he'd be comfortable going in one of those events.
That would be his environment.
He'd be comfortable going there.
I don't think that's the only time as well that he's trying to cause trouble.
I think back in February, once again, he tried to get in your guys' hotel room.
Go do a quick interview.
That has been pursued by Mr. McGregor into elevators and into rooms.
Yes.
This is highly motivated.
That's unbelievable.
No, it's just insane.
I mean, re-watching that footage, I'm like, you really, it's like, it's a joke to me.
I'm like, how can you have the audacity to do something like that?
Like, you want to underline what it means to have like microaggressions.
Like you see somebody and you're just immediately like so mad that you just physically assault everyone around you.
It's hilarious.
Like what is wrong with people?
I wonder if Matthew Fleury, the city councilor, would think that's a microaggression.
I think you might need to ask him in French.
Matthew Fleur, he pins sou que sacer mi quoi question.
I think now he answered my question because otherwise I don't think he understands the questions out of the people.
But there's there's another thing as well that she said one last thing from what she said and it really struck with me.
When the pandemic started, I was doing speed skating.
I did professional.
I did sports for a long time, not professional.
And we were told that we weren't allowed to practice our sport because of the pandemic.
Now, I know a lot of people had meltdowns because of it.
And I don't know a lot of people that got into depression because they weren't allowed to practice their sport.
And the most idiotic thing that we saw is that as a speed skating club or as a hockey club, we weren't allowed to practice train in environments that are safe and secure, but they were allowing 50 to 100 people to go on the ice with their parents just to free skate.
That's an incoherent regulation that was imposed by the government.
Well, I'm sorry, but we also can't forget about the case of Mayor Patrick Brown from Brampton, I believe, going and playing hockey with his buddies out in the rink while everyone else was absolutely in a lockdown in their house and was prosecuted if they did anything others.
So I got you.
I get you there.
Yeah, that was a fantastic bus by Menzies.
Yeah.
I think this all highlights for all of us is that we probably underestimated and not really appreciated how important being able to pursue your passions, your hobbies, interacting with others is to a normal life.
Yeah.
You know, and when we deprive kids of their opportunity to participate in whether it's judo or speed skating or skateboarding or 4-H if you're on the prairies or scouts and girl guides, it really has an impact.
We're social beings and this myopic single focus that the health authorities had of save every senior citizen at all costs, no matter how great socially, developmentally and economically was an absolute policy failure.
And the ripple effect, and you even saw it mentioned in the CSIS document today, is people have fundamentally lost trust in the institutions that they thought were what makes living in Canada a good thing.
Everywhere from the doctors and the public health officials to the educators to the courts to the police, people never thought the police would use, a lot of people never thought the police would use this level of violence on unarmed peaceful protesters.
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So the good thing about this inquiry is it's forcing some of these things to come back into the discussion.
I mean, of course, the legacy media is barely covering it all.
They're just trying to keep their paymaster happy and meet payroll, which is unfortunate.
And thank goodness for guys like you.
Well, I think that's the reason why the convoy was so big: that people were fed up with these incoherent and uncertain policies, unjustified policies that were implemented all in the name of science.
It was a long time coming, for sure.
That was a long two years.
You've got one person in the U.S. was Dr. Fauci.
You had one man who was in control of the whole health establishment.
You had one person here, Teresa Tam, who was in control of Kenyan's life.
It's absolutely unbelievable.
All right, let's throw it to clip number three, and afterwards, we'll go on a little bit more about Justin Trudeau and Doug Ford because we saw some comments and some decisions that were taken in relation to both these men's at stay.
Would it be fair to say that the two parts of this conversation we saw you having with Minister Mendicino?
Minister Mendocino was incorrect about whether or not the chief Mizzuno had requested resources and was also incorrect as to the type of assistance that was offered by CBSA.
I think what happened when I received that message from Minister Mendochino and my response was wrong, I called the chief immediately to make sure I understand, understood what was going on.
The chief explained to me that in a conversation that she had had with Commissioner Karig, that at that precise moment in time, they weren't asking for any more because officers were coming in and she didn't know how many officers were coming at.
I understood.
And it was also your understanding then that there was a plan in place as early as February 10th to dismantle this protest.
Is that correct?
Well, I knew that officers were coming in.
I did not know.
The chief could not tell me how many officers were coming in, nor was I aware of how long it would take to resolve the issue.
What'd you make of that, William?
Well, I was about to ask you, you know, I think all of the comments that were made today were pretty interesting.
When you look at the relation between the city and the police, I think, as we saw from the beginning, from all the testimonies, there were some issues when it comes to coordinating both the departments.
I think that's an understatement that there were some issues, especially when they gathered most of their not today, not today.
It's been a long day.
Yeah, I guess when you gather majority of your intelligence from mainstream media reports, you know, you could be discredited with what you say going after the fact that both the OPS OPP that were stationed in Ottawa all revealed that they were severely overwhelmed by the amount of protesters that actually showed up.
And obviously it was the same at Windsor.
And I'm going to go on a limb here and say that once it gets to Couts, we're going to find that it's the same thing.
Because again, when you listen to mainstream media, you're bound to get some disinformation.
So I'm not shocked.
I'm not surprised.
What do you think, Keith?
Well, it's more of a pattern, you know, that the level of disorganization, the level of confusion has been remarkable at all levels.
I think this has also been a process of revealing how incompetent our governments really are.
Imagine if this was a real threat, right?
If this had been an actual threat and this is how it was dealt with when it was actually very peaceful.
I'm very afraid.
It's bad to say, but it actually worries me living in this country and thinking if it was an actual threat, this is how my government would have handled it.
It's ridiculous.
It's an embarrassment.
I think that they had the tools and they had the capacities to handle it well.
Yes, for sure.
If we didn't have Justin Shu as a prime minister and a corrupt, scandal-plagued liberal cabinet running our country, I think they would have been able to listen to the OPPNCL.
I think they would have been able to open their eyes and say, yeah, let's negotiate with these truckers.
There's more than a thousand of them that came to Ottawa.
There must be a reason why they're here.
I think if we didn't have an competent government in power right now, this would have been dealt a lot better than it was dealt with right now.
Well, yeah, because it's an understatement.
Think even farther back than that.
None of the draconian and unscientific COVID mandates would have been put into place provincially, federally, or through the municipalities.
So it goes so far back.
We would have been needed for confidence.
No, like this wouldn't be happening.
I guess it's kind of like, you know, all hypothetical at this point, but it's an interesting line of thought.
I do sometimes get myself lost in.
I think what it shows, too, is that very early on in the Ottawa protests, there were senior officials saying, bring in an intermediary, bring in a mediator, bring in a negotiator.
Let's open up the line of communication and dialogue.
And that's the Canadian way of doing things.
I mean, you guys are too young to remember this, but Canada was once famous for having our blue hat military, which was the peacekeepers, right?
They would wear blue helmets, rather blue, not blue hats, and blue bulletproof vests, and they would go to conflict zones and they would go between the parties who were warring and killing one another and try and facilitate a peaceful process.
That used to be one of the things that Canada stood for.
And the bureaucracy and some of the senior officials were calling on that.
But at every turn, the prime minister wanted no part of it.
I think he was having a temper tantrum in his office and screaming at people and throwing things.
There's probably a reason whenever you see a picture of his desk, there seems to be nothing on it.
They probably got tired of having things thrown at them, so they keep stuff off his desk.
But it's clear that the adults in the room were trying to encourage the prime minister and his cabinet to take a Canadian approach, and he opted not.
And I think we're all going to work to redefine Canada back to the Canada that we all once knew and loved.
100%.
Yeah, no, I totally agree with you.
All right, Doug Ford.
We heard the judge said he didn't have to appear in front of the committee, in front of the commission.
What do you make of that?
Well, I hadn't studied the case law on the powers, the limitations on the powers of the federal government to compel and subpoena a sitting provincial politician.
But as you may have figured out, that Brendan Miller, our lead barrister on the team, is literally a walking version of legal Wikipedia.
And as soon as word came out that this was being challenged by Doug Ford, he turned to the Brendan turned to us, our legal team, and said, Ford's going to win.
And the reason he said Ford was going to win is that they even cited the case off the top of his head.
People probably don't notice this most of the time when he objects, he always cites a case right on point, you know, off the top of his head when he's objecting.
But the case law says that the federal government cannot compel a sitting provincial member of parliament or member of a legislative assembly to a federal inquiry.
They relied on that provision.
So I'm not terribly surprised.
But, you know, you don't have to refuse.
In other words, the law doesn't say that the premier cannot come.
Yes, exactly.
It just says he can't be forced to come.
So I don't understand why he would not have wanted to make himself available.
Politicians often tell us that they believe in transparency and openness.
And, you know, showing up at a designated time at a public inquiry and being asked some questions and providing some truthful answers is a really good kind of hallmark of transparency and openness.
So you said Ford opted not to take that route.
And I guess we'll never know why.
You said it perfectly yourself.
They tell us that they care about transparency.
Catherine McKenney told us that she cared about transparency while running away from my questions and not being able to state a clear position on whether or not she believes freedom of speech is an important value in society.
She's part of a kind of Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
And she wasn't able to state to the public a clear position on her views of freedom of speech.
I think it shows cowardness from Ford.
I don't think it's surprising.
I think it's in line with everything he's been doing for the past past years.
Right, we have you on for only a few minutes now.
If you could just tell us quickly what you thought Ford could bring to the inquiry, why you thought it would be important for him to come on.
And then afterwards, I think we have a chat for you and we'll let you go.
Sure.
Well, I mean, the provincial government played an important role, partly because of the role of the OPP, but more importantly, why is it that Ford decided to declare their provincial emergency?
What resources was he planning to make available for the government to use?
And what communications did he have with the prime minister at the critical times?
So, what did the prime minister know and when did he know it?
So, these are all important things that could have come out if he had chosen to come forward and be transparent and accessible.
Yeah, it would have been fun to have him on.
Are you kidding?
Of course, it would have been all right.
Yeah, we have a chat for Keith Wilson before we let him go.
Can we take a look at that?
I saw one earlier.
All right, do you want to reread it?
Sure, it's yeah, it's pretty small.
So, from Rumbully, I believe, Rumly, are the convoy lawyers going to call on the freedom doctors as witnesses to show how ridiculous the mandates were?
Okay, there's a few things there.
Yeah, one of the things that people who are watching this are struggling with, because I can tell by the number of emails and messages I get every day, this is not a trial to adjudicate every aspect of what's happened in our lives in the last two and a half years.
That's why we don't deal with certain issues.
Like, there were some people upset with me because of some comments that were made about how the propane and fuel were stored at Coventry.
It was stored remarkably well, it was like brilliant, how they had set up a cage system, it was just perfect.
Yeah, but whether or not fuel was stored properly or improperly is irrelevant as to whether or not the conditions were present to invoke the Emergencies Act.
Yes, exactly.
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So, we're not here to adjudicate every aspect.
Whether or not the mandates were medically justified, and I don't think they are, and that's the evidence that came out under oath when I cross-examined 16 federal government witnesses in the Peford Charter Challenge, travel mandate challenge, is irrelevant to whether or not the government was justified in invoking the Emergencies Act and stripping Canadians of their rights.
So, I know it's frustrating to watch.
The law is a very compartmentalized process and it's focused by design.
So, this is not the place to adjudicate that.
We were hoping to have that very question adjudicated by the federal court in the Peckford case, and we spent so much time and effort and energy in getting there with our own experts and 15,000 pages of evidence until the federal government brought an application to strike that on the basis of mootness.
I won't go further.
We can talk about that another time.
But the final point I was going to make on this is the list of witnesses.
We originally submitted a list of 23 witnesses that we expanded to 28.
Okay, so we don't get to propose to the commission people we want to testify.
Yeah.
And then the commission decides whether or not they're going to let them testify.
So we have to triage on our list because we know we're not going to get all 23.
And in fact, this morning, breaking news, or maybe it was this afternoon, we received an email that the commissioner has now ruled that they're not going to allow us to have any more witnesses.
So everyone you've seen from our side, that's it.
So we had some incredible witnesses on the list to testify, to illuminate various aspects, like former police officers who had their phones wiretapped by the Ottawa City Police, other people from various ethnic backgrounds who had been brutally beaten by the police and dumped outside of town, and others.
And just given the schedule that the inquiry has with its hard closed date of the 25th of February of November, that We can't just say, oh, we want this many more witnesses.
We'd like to.
We tried, but we knew we were not going to get all 23 and then later 26.
But we did get a lot of the key witnesses we wanted in.
Yeah, and I'm super glad that you actually touched on it because that's, I agree with you.
A lot of people have some issues with it.
It's not whether or not the mandates were justified because they weren't.
It's not whether or not the convoy was a good protest happen, whether or not the Freedom Convoy was right, even though it was right.
Even if you think that the convoy was wrong for coming to Ottawa, that's not about that.
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It's about whether or not it was okay for Justin Trudeau to use an anti-terrorism law that was never seen before on these law-abiding, peaceful protesters.
I know I think that she explained it very well.
Well, thanks so much for coming on, Keith.
Stay tuned.
We will go on a quick ad break, and then when we come back, we'll have the Democracy Fund lawyer Alan Honor join us.
Stay tuned.
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So we have on right now Alan Honor, lead head litigator for the director at the Democracy Fund.
Yes, it's a pleasure to be here.
Yeah, so can you tell us a little bit more about yourself?
I think we don't really have you on a lot because you're off in Toronto.
For so far of yours, I don't really know who you are.
That's right.
So thank you for asking me.
So I'm one of the lawyers at the Democracy Fund.
We have party status at the Public Order Emergency Inquiry.
We're sharing that with our good friends at the JCCF and with Citizens for Freedom.
One reason you probably don't see me very often is because if one of us asks questions, then the other one is not allowed to ask questions.
That's just the rules of the commission.
That's right.
No, that totally makes sense.
And that's another thing that I was going to ask you to clarify.
So often the commissioner is going to call GCCF and the Democracy Fund all together.
Instead, I think he got a little bit lazy.
He only said the Democracy Fund and stopped saying GCCF.
Is there a reason why you guys are scattered?
Well, I don't think the Commissioner is lazy.
I think he just sometimes refers to us in a way that's convenient.
That's right.
We're together because we have a common interest.
The JCCF and the Democracy Fund are both civil liberties organizations.
They've both been involved in some way with the protesters.
For the Democracy Fund, we are representing a number of people who have been criminally charged.
We were at the Ottawa protests, giving people free advice about their charter rights and also the limits of those charter rights.
For sure.
We were involved heavily in Windsor.
We were friends of the court.
We made submissions on the injunction that was issued there.
So, what were your general thoughts from today's testimonies?
We heard what Eda had to say, what Keith Wilson had to say.
So, what did you say?
Well, you know, I haven't heard everything that Heather and Heath said, but I suspect they talked a little bit about CESIS.
They probably talked a bit about Trudeau invoking the Emergencies Act when CESIS suggested that maybe that's not such a good idea.
So, I won't revisit that.
I think one of the interesting things that we've seen, and maybe you haven't talked about this, came out later in the day when my colleague Anton from Citizens for Freedom questioned the deputy OPP.
Yes.
Yeah, Jason Crowley.
And in that video, one of the things we saw was that the police created an exclusion zone in Windsor.
It was for about a stretch of one kilometer, right?
And in fact, they were arresting protesters on the sidewalk if they were within that exclusion zone.
That's right.
And I thought that was very interesting because back in February, back on February 11th and later on on February 18th, we made submissions about this injunction.
And both times we made sure that we could carve out a provision in that order, which respected the right, the rights of protesters to peacefully protest.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, did you hear what he was talking about?
Yeah, absolutely.
I think we might have that clip, but that video that was brought into evidence of that woman that was peacefully kneeling well in front of the police lines that was on the grass where the sidewalks are.
This was just after Crowley also said that 100%, like, you know, they could peacefully protest there.
It was fine.
And then he has his videos thrown in his face, essentially.
That's like, well, you know, according to these police officers, they weren't allowed to.
And according to this video, this woman that was peacefully arrested while kneeling on the grass, again, in front of police lines.
I think that was, I mean, it's not just hypocritical, like it's it's it's very ironic for that to be brought up the way that it was.
I quite enjoyed it though.
No, that was pretty interesting to hear about that.
All right, we only have a few minutes left to the live stream.
It was such an interesting live stream.
Let's take a look at clip number five from Wall from the Commission too.
Let's take a look at that.
The blockade was cleared and the bridge reopened before the Emergencies Act was invoked.
Is that right?
On the 14th, so the 13th around midnight into the 14th, I think the bridge opened around midnight on the 14th.
So the Emergencies Act came, was invoked sometime on the 14th.
So yes, the answer to your question is yes.
Okay, great.
So none of the measures in the Emergencies Act were used to clear the blockade since it came after, correct?
Correct.
Okay.
Thank you.
Those are my questions for you.
Necessary.
Am I right?
Yeah, let's make sure we get this straight.
So the bridge was cleared before Trudeau, our drama teacher, invoked the Emergencies Act.
That's right.
And actually, that came out last week when we cross-examined Commissioner Curry.
Yes.
Right.
It's not just Windsor that was clear.
The protest at the 402 was clear.
The protest in Cornwall was clear.
The protest in Windsor, as we've seen, was also clear.
The protest in Ottawa, the police were making some progress there.
And we know, but we're going to hear more about poops tomorrow.
Yes.
Very excited.
Yeah.
And you know, I think this is actually an important point because when we talked about this protester earlier today who was arrested on the sidewalk, that actually didn't have anything to do with the Emergencies Act because that protester was arrested before the Emergencies Act was invoked.
But it does show you something, doesn't it?
It shows us the attitude that some people had towards these protesters.
I think that attitude probably informed the federal government when they invoked the Emergencies Act.
No, for sure.
And, you know, it just like you said, it is such a shame to see something like that take place, especially when they're told one thing and then it's the misinformation and the miscommunication.
I'm sure I saw some officers that didn't look too happy to be instructing folks the way that they had to, or that they did the same way with the misinformation spread by mainstream media.
But to your point about the blockades that were resolved, so to speak, before the Emergencies Act was invoked, I mean, again, just for the people in the back, it's almost like it wasn't necessary, right?
It's almost like it wasn't necessary.
It's almost like we're just repeating ourselves every day.
You know, I'm going to try and open with a different dialogue tomorrow.
Not, you know, it's the same dialogue every day, folks.
So I'm going to try and be more creative today.
Yeah, well, the issue is that it is.
We're hearing the same evidence.
Every single day, we're hearing evidence that back what was shown the day before.
And then the day before that, we heard evidence that backed what was said the day prior to that.
And it just spirals a whole way.
I think, yeah, I'm not sure Justin Chul likes the inquiry.
He likes what's happening a lot.
I would love to be a flannel wall in one of his cabinets meeting.
Him and Omar Al Jabra talking about how they can spin the narrative and try to make it seem like they're still the good guys.
All right, guys, we've been on for an hour now.
I hope that you're not too tired of hearing us.
Let's take a look at some of the some of the chats that we received throughout the live stream.
If you have any Anna Lisa, do you want to read it?
Sure.
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Says, great recap tonight.
Plus, I need to redeem myself and send a big shout out to William.
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LO.
Oh, that's right.
Because yeah.
So, for the people that didn't follow our recent live stream, thank you, Annalisa.
I was misgendered last live stream.
I was misgendered.
It really hurt my feelings.
Someone said that I was a lady.
That's not what happened.
Sheila and I the other night were on the live stream.
And before William came on, Annalisa sent in a comment addressing us ladies.
And at that time, we read it, William happened to be sitting there.
So you were misgendered.
You're all within your manliness.
You're great.
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All right, do we have any more chats?
Well, perfect.
Thank you, Olivia.
Thank you, Efron, for your hard work tonight.
Yeah, I mentioned our national drama teacher earlier.
We didn't have time to watch some of the clips from him today, but we will see a lot more from him tomorrow.
I can promise I'll make sure we touch on what he said throughout the day because he always says something more ridiculous every day.
It's a drama teacher.
You never know what to expect.
Thank you so much for your time, Sabine.
Thank you so much, Alan, for joining us today.
Thank you, Keith, who's in the background still.
Thank you, Ebra, who can hear me from the skies.
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What are you afraid will come from testifying at that inquiry?
Well, I've said it.
This is a federal, a federal inquiry based on the federal government calling for the Emergency Act.
This is a federal issue.
We've had our senior public service go there, the deputy, we've had the commissioner, the OPP there.
This was under the police.
I don't direct the police.
This is something that falls under the police.
Well, the OPP sent police officers there and they ended it.