Miss Understood No. 22 dissects Victoria’s Secret’s alleged ties to Jeffrey Epstein, exposing how the brand allegedly lured young models—including Alicia Arden and Maria Farmer—while promoting misogyny under the guise of empowerment. The episode contrasts this with Rebel Wilson’s candid post about gaining six pounds, praised for accountability over Hollywood’s weight-shaming hypocrisy, and Adele’s 100-pound loss framed as anxiety management rather than vanity. Meanwhile, it mocks figures like Kara Delavine (29) for perceived relevance-seeking activism, Bette Midler’s "TERF" backlash, and Chelsea Handler’s "woke" apology tour, arguing progressive media demands silence on dissent. The brand’s recent inclusivity shifts are dismissed as PR, while the hosts defend personal health narratives against ideological policing, underscoring a broader critique of performative activism and double standards in celebrity culture. [Automatically generated summary]
Hello and welcome to Misunderstood, the show for all you culturally and politically misunderstood ladies or gents.
We are your hosts.
I'm Kat and I'm Nat.
And today we're going to be talking about a couple of things ranging from Bette Midler, that girl's transphobic, also Victoria's Secret.
Have you heard?
It's out.
And then we're going to finalize the show with a bit of health talk because you know us.
We love a vegetable.
But first we're going to start things off with our battle culture shock moment of the week.
Take it away, Kat.
This is a doozer.
Okay.
Okay, guys.
I'm sure you've heard.
Sean Mendez announced that he will be postponing the next three weeks of his current tour due to being overwhelmed with touring again.
So Kat, yes, Nat.
Was he touring much during the global pandemic?
No, Nat, I believe he had over two years off.
Right.
Like the rest of the celebrities that could still get rich.
So I guess being rich and doing nothing is exhausting.
It sounds horrible.
It sounds like so terrible.
I feel like these three weeks are really going to like he wasn't okay and now he's going to be okay.
He just needs three more weeks to slow the mental health issues.
If I was his agent, I'd be like, go to work.
I'd be like, go to work.
Go to work.
My family depends on you to work, Sean.
And it's not only that.
If you and I were having any sort of, you know, mental health issues.
We'd be shot.
We would.
I don't know about that, maybe.
But we would have to come to work because that's what adults do.
And of course, there are circumstances in which maybe you just really need a day and I respect that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But you are letting your fans down and you're a grown-ass man.
Go do your job.
Yeah, it reminds me of, because in the statement, he mentions that he's been touring since he was 15.
And I'm like, you know, who's been touring since they were like 15, 16 years old and never takes time off?
Taylor Swift.
You know why?
Because she's not a Gen Zer.
Yeah.
She's a millennial and she knows like, they'll call us lazy, but it's like we hustle.
We hustle.
There's something about Gen Zers that are like, I can't even.
And they're just like, they're anxiety.
And one of my notes is that if D-Day happened today, it wouldn't.
Just wouldn't.
They'd be like, I can't.
Bette Midler Responds00:15:37
Yeah.
No, it's so true.
And one of the things you Germans are scary.
One of the things you said to me when we were kind of tweeting about this, we chat off camera.
Yeah.
Occasionally.
Like, you wouldn't be so overwhelmed if you had God.
Like, you really wouldn't be because the Bible says you cast your burdens on the Lord.
His yoke is easy, but his burden's light.
Yoke.
You know?
So your life might be a little better, Sean, if you just kind of surrendered how you were feeling to God because you can do all things through him.
Yeah.
That's such a good point I made.
Yeah.
That's kind of her point.
And I was listening to Tim Dylan this morning talking.
He talked about it, I think, Thursday or whenever it happened.
And he mentioned that, you know, he makes a lot of jokes, but in there are always nuggets of truth.
And his take was like, well, you're, I think he's like 23 years old.
His net worth is about $40 million.
It's like, where do you go from there?
Like, life is all about striving.
And, and you made this point, which was excellent, which is like, sometimes we get down on ourselves for being like, well, I'm not in a place.
I'm not where I want to be.
Exactly.
I'm not where I want to be yet.
But it's like, okay, but then if I was 23 and had $40 million net worth, maybe I would be depressed because like, okay, well, what now?
Do I become a drug addict or do I fizzle out?
Like, do I start a skincare line?
Yeah.
Well, that's what you should be doing.
That's what you should be doing, Sean.
Yeah.
Okay.
At least be productive.
Yeah, come on.
All right, let's move on.
So guys, best way to fight for women's rights is to take your top off.
Yeah.
Says the bisexual model.
Kara Delavine goes topless and says it's all of our jobs to fight for women's and trans rights.
I didn't know it was all of our jobs.
Now hear me out.
I think she just might want to look at boobies.
Ooh.
I know.
It's a hot though.
Yeah.
She's a narcissist, too.
Yes.
It's just funny because near the end of this article, they make a note that she's promoting a new show she's in.
So it's like, okay, so a model takes her top off to promote a show she's in.
It's empowering.
And they're like, it's empowering, you guys.
This is certainly not to stay relevant because, you know, she is 29 years old.
Oh, she's getting old.
So the modeling industry is going to discard her faster than a set of pasties, and it's pretty much over for her.
Over, Cara.
It's over, Cara.
So she's like, take your tops off.
Yeah.
It's funny, too, when these celebrities, though, they care so much about human rights when it's trendy.
But where were you when unvaccinated people were being vilified?
Where were you?
What about abortion?
I mean, those are little humans too, as science has told us.
So it's just, it's funny that they pick and choose because, as you said, they're just trying to stay relevant and get a job, I guess, the next, onto the next job.
Yeah.
I don't know.
And it's also like, you take your top off.
Do whatever you want, Cara, but don't say it's my job to take.
It's literally not.
No, I'm busy that day.
Yeah.
Forever.
So you do you, but like also stop telling women how to fight for women's rights.
Like we fight for women's rights every day.
All the time.
Look at all the pink.
Yeah.
We're doing it all the time.
And we're keeping our tops on.
And that's our choice.
Yeah.
Yep.
That's okay.
We are pro-choice about taking off your clothes.
Yes.
Sort of.
Kind of.
Shall we move on to the next one here?
Bette Midler invokes trans argument to speak on abortion and women's rights.
Yeah.
So she took to Twitter.
I guess we should just read the tweet.
Just read the tweet.
All right.
So women of the world, we are being stripped of our rights over our bodies, our lives, and even our name.
They don't call us women anymore.
They call us birthing people or menstruators and even people with vaginas.
Don't let them erase you.
Every human on earth owes you.
That last part kind of weakens it for me.
Nobody owes you.
But otherwise, it's a good, it's a good twirt.
Yeah, it's a good twirt.
And it's funny coming from Bette Midler because she is just so woke all the time.
And it really highlights the point that we've made and all sorts of people make, which is like you can be in the in the cool guy zone, cool people zone, woke leftism, until you say one thing that they don't like.
And now you're a turf and it's over for you.
And you have to apologize.
And it's like, you are never safe.
The line keeps moving further and further left.
And it doesn't matter how outspoken you are and like all the issues, you say one wrong thing and you're done.
And that's what happened.
And it's funny because like she's very passionate about the pro-choice side and she was pretty outspoken about Roe v. Wade and stuff.
And that's kind of where this sort of stemmed from this tweet.
But it's funny because the same people who are on the pro-choice or pro-abortion side, some of them are typically also pro-trans rights.
And it's like, can't you see?
Like, can't you see that you're like, you should connect those dots?
Like, like this, these are the same people.
You're on their side.
Like, maybe, maybe you should take a look at yourself there, bet.
No, they're not going to take it.
Bet she won't.
Oh.
Hey.
Hey, yo.
And this came on the heels of another famous woman, Macy Gray, who made a statement on Piers Morgan's show, Uncensored.
Her statement, and this is taken just a clip of, like, this is just a bit of the statement.
So, I mean, we watched the clip on the live stream the other day.
Maybe I'll post it in there.
But basically, she says before saying this, is my point.
She says she believes that trans people should have every right that anyone else does and that she will refer to them however she wants because she respects them.
However, then she says, just because you go and change your parts, that doesn't make you a woman.
So people only ever concentrate on that line.
And they're like, oh, she's a TERF.
That's what you call, you know, a woman who is trying to stand up for women's rights is a TERF, which, as we've mentioned, but maybe we should mention again, is a trans exclusionary radical feminist, which is supposed to be an insult.
Means nothing anymore.
It doesn't mean anything.
It just means you don't agree with them.
Yeah.
So Macy Gray and Bette Midler, two like pretty famous women, both are kind of standing up for women and then getting called terrible names that mean nothing.
And like threatened.
Like they're getting threatened.
And it's just crazy that so many people responded to this.
Like it's like with such negativity.
Like they're like, you can have a uterus and, I mean, not have a uterus and be a woman and all these kinds of things.
And it's like birthing people is language we need to use.
And it's like, don't you people see that you are erasing yourself?
Like when, like, what's it going to take for you to realize that they're after you, ladies?
Like, you are not going to, you're going to be null and void soon.
We don't need you.
And just days after Macy Gray made her statement, because she, again, she has an album coming out.
So she was promoting the album.
And so in an effort to redeem herself, she apologized.
She basically walked the whole thing back.
And the interview, I don't know what show it was, but the interviewer was so annoying about it.
She's like, so do you still believe that statement?
It's like, that was five days ago.
I'm pretty sure he changed their statement.
Whatever.
Yeah.
But anyway, she doesn't.
She's changed her mind in five days.
Well, yeah, publicly.
Yeah, of course.
But she said, being a woman is a vibe.
If you feel in your heart, that's what you are, then that's what you are, regardless of what anybody says.
It's like, that's literally the opposite of what you said five days ago.
And she looked like she wanted to crap herself as she said it.
Like, you could tell that she doesn't mean it.
And the thing is, it won't be enough for them because she's already done for.
Well, exactly.
And progressivism is a religion.
Like, they have a strict set of laws and commandments that they must be abided by.
But guess what?
They'll keep shifting the goalpost, as you already said.
It's worse.
Yeah, you get it.
It's worse because in a religion, you can repent.
Yeah.
And you can absolve yourself of your sins.
And try to change.
Yeah.
But you can't do that.
Yeah, there's no grace.
There's no grace.
There's no grace.
Yeah.
And of course, you know, J.K. Rowling had to jump in and show her support for Bette and Macy.
All she really did was retweet someone who said Bette Midler and Macy Gray aren't receiving pushback because they said something hateful or inaccurate.
They're being demonized as heretics for rejecting the dogmas of a new religion.
This is how blasphemy law works in the digital era.
That's all she did was retweet, and then people started hating on her too.
Not started.
They just continued.
Yeah, but like, well, continued.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And again, like three strong women just saying basic stuff, supporting women.
And scientific stuff.
Scientific, factually correct things.
And they're TERFs and they're horrible.
And they deserve to be threatened, apparently.
And so there's one more article on this topic, which is from the New York Post.
Bette Midler responds to backlash over trans inclusive language erasing women.
But I think, so the funniest part about this, and it's right in the title here, it says, over trans inclusive language erasing women.
So they admitted it?
Well, yeah, it's like they, okay, hold on.
Okay, so they're saying in the article, it says, Midler tweeted, this is a quote from the article.
Middler tweeted about the trans community and language to describe them.
Nope.
Nope.
She literally never, the word trans is nowhere in her statement.
No, we just read the statement.
We just read the statement.
It's literally just women.
So this is once again an example of something that should be about women and now it's about men or trans people, whatever you want to call them.
But they're not trying to erase us.
No, so literally when you say we're trying to erase trans people, it's like, nope, like we're talking about women saying it's okay to use the word woman, mother.
These are okay words, but they're like, I wrote that it's um, it's like saying, Oh, where can I get a good beef burger in Toronto?
And then being like, horrible woman makes anti-vegan statement.
Like, no, I'm literally, no, I just want a burger.
I just want a burger.
I just want to be able to say the word woman.
It has nothing to do with you not saying trans.
You use your trans-inclusive language.
I'm not going to stop you.
I'm not going to police your language.
All we're saying is don't police ours, but it's like, that's not okay.
And Bette Midler should know that.
Yes.
That is not okay because she says no.
She should know that it's not okay to just use your own language and be comfortable with your own moral.
It's not okay.
You have to go with what the small minority of people dictate is okay.
And if you don't, you're a TERF.
It's mob rule.
It's mob rule.
But hopefully the mob just continues doing what they're doing because these crazy progressives like Bette Midler, they're going to eventually realize that y'all are crazy and they're going to shift to become maybe a little more moderate, maybe a little more central.
That's what we want.
And we'll welcome them.
So keep doing what you're doing.
Keep trying to do this before.
You keep canceling people.
We'll take them.
Yeah.
And we'll be gracious.
We'll be gracious.
Gracious.
Yeah.
And you know what?
J.K. Rowling, I think she's on the way out pretty soon.
So let's, maybe we should have a bet.
No, no gambling here.
Not a Bette Midler, though.
But then, of course, another old fart has to add her, add her, some more noise to the conversation.
So Linda Carter, whoever the hell that is, urges Wonder Woman like a billion years ago.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Urges people to focus on the real war on women and leave trans women alone.
Sorry.
Do you know who Leah Thomas is, Linda Carter?
Do you know who she is?
I thought you were Wonder Woman.
Yeah.
So her tweet said, I cannot think of anything that helps women's rights less than pinning the blame on trans women.
Again, nope.
They face so much violence and scrutiny as is.
Leave them alone and focus on the real war on women.
It's happening in the courts and legislatures around the country.
So we know that she's referring to Roe v. Wade, which, you know what, if that's your battleground, again.
Sure.
Go fight it.
That's all new.
Like, that's okay.
But it's like being, it's so one, one-sided to think and single-minded to think that there's only one battle being fought here.
Like, you have to be passionate about her battle.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, think about Germany during World War II.
There was the West Front and the East Front.
Like, it's not like they're like, forget about the communists.
Like, forget about the Reds.
Just focus on the Brits and the Americans.
Like, that would, they, it would have ended a lot faster for them had they done that.
Maybe it would have been good for us, really.
But, but we're allowed to fight battles on two fronts.
And Linda Carter, you have your battle.
You go and take your top off and stand in front of the Supreme Court and yell and do whatever you want.
That's okay.
Even though, like, you're getting a little old to do that, lady.
Well, maybe don't, but you do what you want to do.
It's just, it's just these models.
Models need to stop participating in action.
I mean, they are called models.
Yeah, so just take your clothes off and get photographed.
Like, that's all we really want from you.
No one asked you to model like how we should live.
You're not a model citizen.
Yeah, no.
You just, you know, you wear the shirt or not.
Weigh zero pounds.
But it's funny because she's like, I cannot think of anything that helps women's rights less.
It's like, I can.
Yeah.
Putting intact males in women's spaces, like prisons.
That's the thing, though.
Like you care about.
Exactly.
Like, it's just, it's insane.
Like, that's, that's literal violence.
That's literal violence against women.
And you don't care?
Because what?
You want to seem like you still got it, Linda?
Yeah.
It's just to stay relevant, like you mentioned.
It's desperate, and I don't like it.
Speaking of desperate, Chelsea Handler.
Yeah, then women take it too far.
Yeah, we haven't talked about Chelsea Handler.
I really dislike this woman.
No, there's nothing likable about her.
There's nothing likable about her.
Like, I used to do stand-up comedy, and when I was a female stand-up comic, I watched a lot of comedy, including female.
And I watched hers, and I was like, this is awful.
It was just so awful.
She sucks.
She stinks.
She's horrible.
And she, so the article is Chelsea Handler's late night takeover and quote, white men's opinions are irrelevant.
My first thought was, what if they are a biological white male, but they identify as a woman?
Woman.
Yeah.
No, no, yeah.
That's so in her quote, she says, there's really nobody that can experience what it's like to be a woman other than one of us.
Woo!
Turf!
TERF!
Why is the mom coming after her?
Is it because she's a family?
Because then she follows up by saying white men's opinions are irrelevant.
Right.
So people, they're like, they only post the second part on the article.
No one reads it.
No one watches her show.
No, she was just willing to do it.
She was filling in for whatever, whoever.
But it's like, oh my God, you're such a TERF.
How dare you say no one can experience what it's like to be a woman other than a woman?
You should be canceled immediately.
It's actually based.
It is.
Yeah.
It's pretty based, Chelsea.
My last note is she is a dirtbag.
Okay, yeah.
That's a personal opinion.
Yeah.
That's not a fact.
No, it's allegedly a dirtbag.
No, I'm just kidding.
But yeah, I do agree with her, though.
Like, I do think that there should be more space for women in media, specifically talk shows and stuff like that.
I'm not against that.
I just don't want you to do it.
Yeah, because you're unlikable and horrible.
Like, I think there are so many other women who I would rather watch do it.
Like us.
Exactly.
Or others.
Or others even.
And like, I think the problem I have to, and maybe this is why there aren't as many women in this space is because they're like they get so woke.
Like they're just so freaking woke.
And it's like you're pissing off all the men and then you're pissing off, if you're doing an American talk show, so many like American women who are just like moms who just want to like chill at night and you're alienating them.
And it's like, I don't know, have we done this to ourselves, Chelsea?
Maybe.
Yeah.
Is it her fault?
It's probably Chelsea.
I feel like it's Chelsea's fault.
I feel like it's every issue that women face in 2022 is because of Chelsea and her weird apology tour show.
Yeah.
So why did she get canceled for something?
She did like this show on Netflix where she went and she apologized to like visible minorities for being white.
Oh, okay.
Well, shocking, I hadn't heard of it because you love her so much.
I'm such a big fan.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyways, so Secrets Out.
Culture Of Misogyny Inside Victoria's Secret00:09:04
Victoria's Secrets Out.
Oh my God.
And it's not a sexy one.
It's not sexy, of course, because Epstein is involved.
And whenever he's involved, there ain't nothing nice about it.
So there's a documentary coming out that exposes the naked truth behind the lingerie brand.
But actually, there's been quite a few articles that have already done a bit of a deep dive into this documentary.
I haven't seen it yet.
It's not out yet.
July 14th, it comes out.
So let us know your thoughts.
But it's so unsurprising that a lingerie company founded by men has corruption.
Like, are we shocked?
No, we're not.
Of course.
Not only that, but like so many of their products are cheap and like oversexualized.
Yeah, they're not made for women.
Yeah, definitely.
And you can tell by the kind of models that they use as well.
Yeah, it's pretty interesting.
Apparently, it's a hellish place to work.
A hellish place.
Well, the diet in itself.
Yeah.
Well, that sounds like hell as well.
Woo!
So there's an op-ed or like an investigative kind of article called The Culture of Misogyny Inside Victoria's Secret.
And apparently, Epstein was kind of like hanging around and he would pretend to be like a model agent.
And then he'd like lure.
Yeah, like a scout.
And then he'd lure girls and then he'd like assault them and stuff.
Young ones.
Yeah.
And HR didn't care.
HR doesn't care about the behavior of the founders.
He doesn't even work for them at all.
There's no actual tie in terms of there being an employment contract or anything.
There's like all these ties, like unofficial ties.
Yeah, exactly.
And it's just, it makes you wonder like who else is involved in the Epstein circle.
I think it's much bigger than we think.
Like, I think there's a lot of, yeah, like, I just, it's so creepy, though.
It's super creepy.
Um, I want to read a quote from this Atlantic article.
Yeah.
Um, so Jeffrey Epstein reportedly told women and young girls that he was a modeling scout for Victoria's Secret.
The financier never worked for the lingerie retailer or even technically for its parent company, L Brands, but he had a close relationship with the head of L Brands, Les Wexner, assuming an unusual degree of control over Wexner's assets and personal life, according to reporting to the New York Times.
And then there's two accounts here that are highly disturbing.
One is according to Alicia Arden, a model and actress, this was Epstein's ruse when he lured her to Santa Monica to a Santa Monica hotel room and assaulted her in 1997.
Grace.
And then there's another one here when Maria Farmer, who worked the door at Epstein's New York mansion, asked why so many young girls were going in and out of his home.
She says she was told that they were auditioning to be models for the lingerie brand.
Some of them, she told the New Yorker, were wearing school uniforms.
Now, were those costumes, maybe?
Just guys like that, which is already problematic, or were they actual school uniforms?
Well, that's just knowing that it's Epstein.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You guys do the math yourself.
Yeah.
And basically the whole point of this brand was to create a place where men could buy sexual garments for women.
It had nothing to do with empowering women, though.
Their advertising campaigns tried to sell it to us.
And so many women bought into this.
And it's just, it's like, why are we buying into lies that men are telling us?
Like, why do we do that?
It's not empowering.
Like, we're losing the battle when it comes to female empowerment.
If that's the case, we're like, that's sexy because this man told me and I'm going to do it because men are telling me to.
It's so gross.
I will say, though, I have bought underwear from them and I do enjoy some of it.
Like some of it, I'm like, I like that.
That looks nice to me.
Yeah, I think it's personal preference.
Yeah, of course.
But like, it's never, it's never really about like, and it's not supposed to be comfortable.
Like, it's not like, like, there's other brands if you want to wear comfortable, wealth-supporting garments.
Like, that's, yeah, you don't shop at Victoria's Secret.
But it's, it's just like, you can, you can have a sexy lingerie brand without raping young girls.
I think that would be.
That's, I think, the takeaway here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think just the premise, though, in which the company was founded is just kind of icky.
It makes me feel icky just because it's like obviously belittling and over-sexualizing women and sometimes young women.
And what one of the things we were kind of talking about offline is like, where the hell are all the models who walked in the Victoria Secret fashion show?
Why didn't none of them really come out?
I know Bella Hadid kind of did because she was in a 2018 fitting.
She was being measured for underwear that would meet broadcast standards.
And Mr. Raisek, who was, what was he?
Mr. Raisek.
He's one of the executives or something.
Anyway, he sat on a couch watching her get fitted and then he said, forget the panties.
What are you going to wear instead?
I don't know.
On live TV, I'm not too sure that that's allowed.
Why would a man have to be in the room for that?
That is so gross.
Well, exactly.
It's so gross and it's so inappropriate.
And so I guess she took a break from working with the company, but because they've promised to change or whatever, they're trying to change.
And they're going in a whole new direction, I guess.
Yeah, have you seen some of the new stuff, though?
Yeah.
It's like nude for all sizes.
It's like, you know, genders.
Yeah, all genders.
It's like, it's just ugly.
But just like, okay, whatever.
People need underwear.
Yeah.
People need underwear.
It's just like, it doesn't erase your past sins.
Right.
Just making it up.
Well, that's my point.
And now she's going to start working with them again.
And it's like, don't you remember, girl?
Like, and why weren't you speaking out about this more publicly?
Like, I just think it's so gross.
It's because of the money.
Follow the money, honey.
Well, it's just, and we've mentioned this too.
It's like, where were all the actors and directors and producers who were calling out Jeffrey?
Sorry, not Jeffrey, I've seen Harvey Weinstein for the 20, 30 years that he was producing movies.
Like, hello.
Where were you guys?
But now you're all going to come out and be like, oh, it's just awful.
It's just awful.
Isn't it?
Well, you're the one who showed your butt to him.
Like, you should have spoken out.
It's so true.
And obviously, like, it's probably very intimidating.
But, like, we're a couple of gals who like to swim upstream.
And I just don't think, like, I just don't really think there's an excuse because when you don't speak out because you're scared, you're going to eventually hurt someone else.
Someone else is going to be implicated later.
Think about the girls that are beneath you that have not yet made it to your echelon yet.
Exactly.
They're going to have to do that same thing that is making you uncomfortable.
And it's your fault because you didn't stop it or you didn't tell people about it.
And I mean, in some instances at this Victoria Secret company, people did try to talk to HR and they were basically just completely ignored and which is horrible.
And that's a whole nother problem.
But yeah, that's the problem.
Like when you speak out, you and nothing happens.
You can get in trouble.
But it's like we, if enough people do, like we have to take down these monsters and we have to and talk about women's empowerment.
Taking your top off to promote your show, Cara, is not women's empowerment.
No, to me.
No, it's not.
And I think sticking together to take down these awful men is women's empowerment.
Exactly.
Like, go get them, girls.
And I think another thing this scandal kind of speaks to is just how like we think that this world, all these Hollywood celebrities and these models, it's so glamorous and it's so chic, but it's so depraved.
Like it's just filled with a bunch of perverts.
Like, hello, Harvey.
To rewind all the way back to our Sean Mendez conversation, like we look at these people, like you just said, and I think that their lives are so glamorous and awesome.
But they're miserable.
But they're miserable.
Like, you know how Bella Hadid constantly posts selfies of her crying?
Yeah.
And it's like her way to like, and it's like cope with her anxiety.
Yeah, it's like, why are you so, you have what we would think is the best life ever.
Clearly it's not.
Clearly, like I don't cry every day.
I don't.
I don't either.
I don't either.
Like it's, it's sad to me that you people have such beautiful lives from the outside and you're suffering so much.
And maybe you should speak out about it more and maybe we can change the culture a little bit.
Yeah.
You guys have the power.
People are looking at you, but you pretend everything's okay.
I mean, I guess, again, Bella, maybe she's trying to show it's not all okay.
Like maybe she's trying a little bit.
But I think too, one thing that kind of exemplifies is that these people are obviously miserable, yet we're constantly being told that we should want to be like them.
And it's like, but what are they missing that you have?
Like one thing I know is that I have God.
And like even though I am a very flawed human being who has to bring my sins to Christ very frequently, like I'm not empty.
Yeah.
Like I'm not an empty person.
Like I feel fulfilled.
I feel satisfied even though there are things I want more of.
And it's like when I compare myself to them, like I don't really want what they have.
I sort of do.
I want their clothes.
I would like the pool time.
That's the thing.
I would like to hang out by a pool a lot.
But you know, like I would, I'm not willing to take my top off for that.
I'm not willing to sacrifice my eternal soul for it.
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Exactly.
Yeah.
And hurt other women in the process.
Right.
Exactly.
So anyway, it's interesting that a lot of this stuff's coming out.
I feel like we're going to just start to hear about more and more corruption within these industries.
And I'm excited for it.
And specifically to do with Jeffrey Epstein who, and we, did we talk about this last week?
I forget.
Ghylaine Maxwell was sentenced to, what, 30 years, 20, 20?
25?
20.
Yes.
20 something years of prison, which is good.
She's a monster.
It's just weird that her, so the buyers of these women, the clients, we've not heard a peep about.
So the woman who gets them, she lures them and she's horrible.
But the people that she's selling these women to, those people are most likely in high positions of, oh, we talked about it on Sheila's show.
Yes.
These men are likely in high positions of power.
Oh, and we're not going to hear about it until we're all dead because they're still in power.
So shocking, no, that this Lex Westerner gentleman was tied to Jeffrey Epstein.
And I'm sure there's so many more.
Yeah.
Even people who we probably like.
Yeah.
Which is scary.
That's why you can't idolize humans.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Like, it's just not worth it.
So be fans of nobody but us.
Yeah.
And the good Lord.
Jesus.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Well, I think that was fun.
That was fun.
Should we move on?
Yes.
Let's move on.
All right.
Do you want to take it away?
She.
Rebel Wilson is being praised for her.
Oh, wait.
Yes.
Yeah.
Rebel Wilson is being praised for her candid post about gaining weight on vacation and reminding her followers that your weight doesn't define you.
Yes.
Yes.
I mean, I agree.
Yes.
I do.
What I appreciate about this is that she said, okay, yeah.
She said, I just noticed I put on six pounds on my holiday, blah, But then she continued, but you know what?
I can get up tomorrow and go to the gym and hydrate and eat healthy and love myself.
It's like, yeah, so you ate a little too much one day.
And that's vacation, too.
Sure.
That's what you do on vacation.
Yeah, it's totally fine to indulge, but you have to be responsible too.
Like, it has to be counteracted with something healthy, I think.
Like, you have to have a balanced approach to your life.
Yeah.
Because it's so easy to gain weight.
It's real hard to lose it.
And it's really easy to let the pressure of Hollywood get you down and make you depressed.
And what I liked about this is just in the title that she's being praised for her candid posts about gaining weight on vacation, but like the actual weight.
Not the actual weight.
Exactly.
Because we see so much of that.
Like, oh, Lizzo is being praised for gaining weight.
It's like, that's not great.
But if Lizo's healthy, it's not healthy.
But if they were praising Lizzo for being like, listen, I gained some weight, but I'm like, I'm working on it and I'm not going to get myself, I'm not going to beat myself up for it, but also I'm going to get to the gym soon and hydrate.
She's holding herself personally responsible.
Exactly, exactly.
And that's what's cool about it.
And for Rebel Wilson to be a human being is in the eyes of when everyone's looking at her is cool because she's like, I went on vacation, I gained some weight.
It's like, don't hide that because that's what a Kardashian would do.
They would just, they would just sweat it out and starve themselves and be like, oh no, oh my gosh, I ate so much, but like, I'm just genetically blessed, like us.
Like, that's what they do.
And it's like, you're, no, you're, you're a human being.
You're in your 30s/slash/40s, Kim.
So when you eat, overeat, and indulge, you're going to gain weight.
But it's like, it's not the end of the world either.
Like, we can have these conversations.
Like, gaining weight does, and your weight does not define you.
No, it doesn't.
And I think, I think it's okay to have a little, like, to feel a little bit of guilt if you've overindulged because that motivates you.
You're like, okay, maybe I took it too far and I ate like 12 little cookies.
I didn't take it too far.
Yeah, me too.
And then I'm like, crap, but this is my fault.
I gotta, I gotta, you know, eat salad the next day and I gotta go for a run or something or watch someone run, you know, whatever works.
That's what I do.
Yeah.
She watches me run.
Yeah.
It's think about.
And I'm like, oh, I'm exhausted.
Yeah.
Somehow she still has like abs.
It's true.
Her baby has abs.
But yeah, I think, you know, I think it's good to have a balanced approach.
And I like that she's doing it.
Yeah.
And I like her.
She's funny.
Yeah, she is funny.
And her name's Rebel.
That's hilarious.
Oh, I didn't even think of that.
Maybe I should name my kid Rebel.
Okay.
Send in your baby name suggestions.
Okay.
Where it's like, we've never gotten an email.
We're like a lot.
A lot of people are asking.
Like, no one's asking.
People are asking where I got my top.
She's not going to tell you because she doesn't want you to have it.
I don't want you to look good.
Okay.
Speaking of people who look good, Adele, most empowering quotes about her weight loss journey.
So most of you know Adele.
Her weight loss, she lost, I think it was like 100 pounds in two years or something.
So it's a pretty big though, like over two years.
Oh, yeah.
Like she didn't just like.
You can build a plane in your backyard in two years.
Like it's fine, it wasn't like 16 pounds in two weeks, like our friends, Kim Kardashian.
So, you know, a lot of people, though, I feel like we're really unfair to Adele for her weight loss.
Yeah, well, that's what people do.
It's so uncomfortable.
They saw her as their fat ally, and it wasn't okay that she's no longer fat, even though it has nothing to do with you guys.
Yeah, and it's like, sorry, her body, her choice?
No.
No, never mind.
Okay.
You know, and I think one thing, why we're kind of highlighting her is because her approach to losing weight was never about getting skinny.
It was something actually that she would use to combat anxiety.
And that's like one of the things I like working out is it just, it's so cathartic.
You're able to like, if you're angry, you're able to work it out or whatever, you know, and it's that's part of the benefit to working out aside from just you know getting abs or whatever.
Yeah, that's what she said is as she was struggling with anxiety and she'd done a bunch of stuff to combat it.
And the only thing that she found was actually really useful was working out.
And I'm kind of just reiterating what you said, but then people attacked her for, you know, because it's their business.
Because it's their business, what she looks like.
Because people feel like they own celebrities, which we do.
Wait, we do pay their bills.
Yeah, we do.
Sean.
Yeah.
Sean, I'm paying you.
But, you know, people are always going to have an opinion on your appearance or your weight.
And I like that she's just kind of like, screw you guys about it because it's, she has to live with herself at the end of the day, not you.
And that's why, like, when all these progressives, the mob comes after people, you know, for being like, I don't know, for like, let's say, even encouraging a woman to get an abortion or something, or like trying to be supportive while she makes the choice to abort her baby.
It's like, but you don't have to live with the consequences if you're the one encouraging that person.
That person has to live with themselves at the end of the day.
And it's like, so I like her approach, Adele's approach to this topic because it's like, she, it's her, she's all she's got is her own body, like at the end of the day.
Her body, her choice.
She also is a toddler, you guys.
She needs to be able to chase after it.
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Yeah.
You can't do that if you're like really unhealthy.
No.
So, no.
And it's also, ideally, she's not doing it in a way that is negative towards her health and that she has a healthy relationship with food and she can pass that on to her children.
Yeah, exactly.
Ideal.
And her fans are doing something.
Yeah.
And I think she is leading by example.
Yeah.
And she's got a great voice.
I heard someone singing an Adele song at like an outdoor pub, and it was not good.
And I was like, you should leave that song for Adele.
Yeah.
Anyways.
That's our advice to you, stranger on the street.
Like, you're probably good, just not that good.
Just don't sing Adele.
But I'm rolling in the.
No, okay.
That was the song.
And it was like, oh, you know what?
Not everyone can sing that song.
Not everyone can sing that song.
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That's the sure.
That's the sure.
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We are so old.
Yeah, we need to blank us out.
Yeah.
Anyway.
You should see her.
I'm without the lights.
Yeah.
Like, I know I'm only 17, but without these lights.