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July 8, 2016 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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July 8, 2016, Friday, Hour #1
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Welcome to today's edition of the Rush 24-7 Podcast.
And greetings to you.
Happy to have you with us, ladies and gentlemen.
The Rush Limbaugh program.
It is Friday.
Let's commence.
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It's open line Friday.
And I know that many of you want to weigh in on what's going on all over the place.
And you shall.
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Okay, the war on cops has now come to Dallas, Texas.
The war on police has come to Dallas, Texas.
Now excuse me, after the program yesterday, I uh I interviewed Heather McDonald for the next issue of the Limbaugh Letters.
She has a book out.
She's a uh a scholar, Manhattan Institute, and uh a prolific writer.
And her most recent book is The War on Cops, how the new attack on law and order makes everyone less safe, not just the cops, but particularly the cops.
It was a compelling interview.
And uh this morning I feverishly reached out and asked her if she had some time because she said some incredible things.
Her research has produced some incredible statistics.
And I just I want you to hear it from her, so she has graciously consented to come back.
And she joins us now.
Heather, thanks for making time again today.
I really appreciate it.
Oh, Rush, it's such an honor talking to you twice in 24 hours.
Yeah, it's a rare opportunity.
Most people don't get that.
And I they've killed me in my position.
Well, it's it's it's great that you had time to do this because this book, I I I would now call this book essential.
Let me mention the title of this one more time, folks, the war on cops, which will help you find it.
That's really all you need, but the full title is how the uh new attack on law and order makes everybody less safe.
And I don't I don't want to steal your thunder, but I want to review some of the things that you said yesterday.
I went back to the transcript of the interview.
You said, let me run through some of these things before you elaborate.
You said you could end all police shootings tomorrow, both lethal and non-lethal, and justified and unjustified, and it would have a negligible effect on the astronomical rate at which blacks die by shootings.
And then there was this.
The Justice Department under Obama came out with a report in March of 2015, a little over a year ago, that found that black and Hispanic officers were actually far more likely to shoot unarmed black suspects under what's known as threat misperception.
That is the false belief that the suspect is armed.
That happens much more than white officers, who are much less likely to engage in that type of threat misperception.
Then there was a study by the New York Police Department by the former acting director of the National Institute of Justice found that black officers in the New York police department were 3.3 times more likely to use their guns at shooting scenes than white officers.
So A, officers are more hesitant about shooting armed black suspects than armed white suspects, to the point where now there's a risk that officers are hesitating so long that they may put their own lives at risks at risk, and B that the the black lives matter mean that this is all about white officers attacking unarmed blacks, simply not true, and that's the bottom line here.
Everything everybody believes isn't true.
They think Ferguson, Missouri happens every day, and it does not.
Well, Rush, President Obama lied to the nation last night.
Uh and he embraced the Black Lives Matter myth that there is a racist war by white officers against black civilians in this country, and we see the results.
In fact, there is no government agency more dedicated to the proposition that black lives matter than the police.
Proactive policing has saved tens of thousands of minority lives since the mid-1990s.
And now police officers are backing off.
They've been backing off before the Dallas assassinations under the assault of hatred that is being spewed at them on the streets but above all in the mainstream media by activists and by politicians from the White House on down,
they're backing off of proactive policing and crime is going up astronomically at as much as ninety percent in cities with uh large black populations and now after these Dallas shootings officers are going to be even more reluctant to engage and the result is going to be more carnage.
Yeah it's gonna be a long summer uh and and I I something I mentioned to you yesterday that I'm I want to throw back out there is that the sickening thing to me about this nobody likes seeing this we c we we can't deny that what happened in Minnesota happened we can't deny that what happened in Louisiana happened with those two shootings.
We can't deny what happened at Fergus happened but they make it up after it happens.
We don't yet know what really happened in Minneapolis yet.
We don't really know what happened in Louisiana yet all the circumstances but we do know that in Ferguson they created a totally false narrative.
Hands up, don't shoot never happened and yet how many people in this country minorities believe that it did to this day.
Now how is that possible?
And my contention is that we have a political party that's seeking to benefit from all of this.
A political party, the Democrats are seeking to advance their agenda with every one of these unfortunate incidents.
And it it doesn't if if that is the case, it isn't going to stop.
I mean you've got Jesse Jackson out there today blaming Donald Trump for this for crying out loud and he's not the only one doing so well it's politics and it's also ideology.
There is an ideology that has taken hold of universities that has taken hold of elite establishments that is committed to the myth of endemic white racism.
And you're right there have been bad shootings, police shootings the Walter Scott shooting in North Charleston was very bad.
The Laquan McDonald shooting in Chicago, these were appalling incidents of of police negligence and and likely criminality but those are not representative of this nation's police forces that they are more professional than ever before and they are dedicated to saving black lives.
Okay now Heather let me stop you there because these are assertions that that you're making that you have backed up with research and I want you to share with you're not just you're not just pontificating here off the cuff.
By the way Heather McDonald's our guest here the war on cops is her new book you everything you just said has been backed up by research you conducted.
Well let's let's look at some of the numbers and I know numbers are sometimes tough over the radio but a larger proportion of white and Hispanic homicide deaths are the result of police killings than black homicide deaths.
That is twelve percent of all whites and Hispanics who die of homicide are killed by police officers.
Four percent of all blacks homicide victims are killed by police officers.
So if we're gonna have an anti-cop lives matter movement, it would make more sense to call it white and Hispanic lives matter.
The fact is is that over six thousand blacks die of homicide each year.
That is more than white and Hispanic homicide victims combined even though blacks are thirteen percent of the nation's population.
And the reason they are dying of homicide at a rate six times higher than whites and Hispanics combined is because they commit homicide at eight times the rate higher than whites and Hispanics combined.
And that type of crime disparity means that when the police are trying to save lives they are in minority neighborhoods confronting people engaged in drive by shootings, killing children in the last seventy two hours in Chicago there's been about four children under the age of eight who've been shot.
One boy uh shot in the back on Father's Day, a three year old boy was shot, he's now paralyzed for life.
That's who police are trying to protect.
But given the disparities in crime rates, the police cannot help but be in minority neighborhoods where they're confronting violent and resisting suspects, and sometimes officers themselves will have to use force uh to protect themselves and protect innocent bystanders.
Well, you've just you've just alluded to something that's that's highly politically incorrect.
You've just given numbers hard evidence on what was called black on black crime.
You're not supposed to mention that uh during incidents like this, because the only thing you're supposed to talk about, Heather, is how vicious racist white cops are hunting down innocent black men in neighborhoods.
That's that's the narrative.
That's what inner city youths are being taught, that's what they're being told.
Well, Rush, here's another very politically incorrect fact, and and I don't want to racialize policing.
People should not.
But if we're gonna talk about race and policing, let's talk about cop killings.
Over the last decade, black males made up forty percent of all cop killers, even though they're six percent of the population.
It turns out, Rush, that a police officer is eighteen and a half times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be kill is likely to be killed by a police officer.
R say that again.
That that that is exactly the she said this to me in the interview yesterday, and I was sitting here with my mouth open.
We just don't hear this, and this is the result of your research, by the way.
You're making this up, you're not opinionizing this is it.
Say that one more time.
Again, you can look at the data on police shootings, uh, and this is and if you look at those numbers and it's in my book, the uh arithmetic that I generated this by, a police officer i as eighteen and a half times more likely to be shot by a black male than an unarmed black male is likely to be shot by a police officer.
So again, uh, you know, there's been an effort in Chicago by some city aldermen there to create a black lives matter uh rather, excuse me, a blue lives matter law, and that has been attacked as racist by the black lives matter activists out there in the ACLU.
But in fact, uh it makes a lot of sense to have a blue lives matter movement because officers are putting their lives on the line every day.
They were running towards the shooting scene in Dallas uh last night as they run towards shooting scenes in inner cities on a daily basis to try and protect children.
We don't know the names of these black children who've been killed because the black lives matter activists don't care to talk about it.
In Cleveland in September of 2015, three children under the age of five were murdered by drive-by shootings, leading the police chief there who happens to be black, to break down in tears and say everybody protests when a cop is shot.
Why aren't we out here protesting when we shoot each other?
That is the big mystery of our time.
And again, President Obama last night only flamed these fires of hatred by putting out his usual lies that the criminal justice system is racist.
It is not.
It responds to crime in order to try to protect lives, not to take them.
Speaking of President Obama, and it's part of show prep today, I uh I found a story from March, I think, of two thousand fifteen, uh, in which President Obama welcomed two founders of Black Lives Matter to the White House and commemorated them and their efforts and praised them as being better organizers than he is.
And that's it that the Black Lives Matter was just exactly who they are then as who they are today.
They're a terrorist group.
There's this quickly becoming a terrorist group committing hate crimes.
And the Attorney General today is saying that she's going to look into this, investigate this as a hate crime, which is amazing.
We're not trying to find out if this guy's a number of the Tea Party.
Well, absolutely.
Uh You know, it is it is so appropriate that the Black Lives Matter movement took off uh on the basis of the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, which, as you say, Rush, was a hoax, and has continued to venerate Michael Brown as a martyr to police brutality, which is also a hoax, because the entire movement is based on a lie.
It is simply not the case that the police are disproportionately shooting black males when you take violent crime into account.
And for and for President Obama to give that movement any credibility when it is now threatening law and order itself.
We are we are at risk of of attacking the very foundation of civilization if this type of hatred continues.
And I can tell you, Rush, that what happened in Dallas is an extreme version of what officers are experiencing every day.
It's why we have seen a seventeen percent increase in homicides last year in the 56 largest cities, an almost unprecedented one-year spike in homicides, because officers are backing off of proactive policing, because I hear this from officers across the country,
and I was contacted two weeks ago by several Dallas officers who were talking about their reluctance to engage in proactive policing, because when they get out of their of their cars now, and this is happening across the country, officers in inner city and areas find themselves surrounded by hostile, jeering crowds, sticking cell phones right in the officers' face.
It's not a question of standing on a s on a curb filming an incident, it's a question of interfering with an arrest scene, going in and refusing to obey orders.
There is as a Chicago cop told me several weeks ago when I was out there, he has never seen such hatred, directed officers in his twenty years in policing.
He said this is an almost an undoable job now.
Right.
And again, the lives that are being lost in this crime spike, Baltimore is now at its highest per capita homicide rate in its history, are overwhelmingly black lives.
But if this continues, we're going to return to the situation of the nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies, where people were fleeing cities because lawlessness was out of control.
Talking here with Heather McDonald, a quick commercial break, and I'm going to come back and I want to ask you a uh a related question.
Her book, by the way, folks, which is now essential.
Uh the war on cops, how the new attack on law and order makes everyone less safe.
Uh I don't like to blindside people with questions, particularly political.
So if you don't even want to answer this, I would understand.
But when we get back here, um think about if if you were contacted by officials in Dallas, and you may well be, in light of what obviously happened there, what happened in Minneapolis, what happened in uh in Louisiana, and and the the cop shootings, black suspects that are legit that do happen.
What would you say if somebody asked you how to deal with this in the inner city or African American community?
How would you approach them?
How do you try to get your message to them?
We'll take a brief time out.
Come back after this.
We are back with Heather McDonald.
Graduated from Yale 1978, attended Cambridge, graduated from Stanford University Law School in 1985, written numerous articles and several books on the subject of whether cops are racist, and currently at the Manhattan Institute.
So what would you do?
I mean, we obviously want this stuff to end.
We we want law and order to uh triumph.
We we want respect for everybody.
What what do you do?
You become an expert now in what's going wrong.
Rush, I would try something absolutely unique uh in this area, which is truth.
I think that one the Black Lives Matter movement has uh been allowed to thrive by a deliberate ignorance, uh cultivated ignorance about the problem of black crime, that you cannot understand police activity without understanding patterns of crime, and the media have basically suppressed uh any knowledge about how bad things are in inner cities.
So I would start by giving the data uh on black crime that explains why officers are in inner city neighborhoods trying to save lives.
Uh and beyond that, uh I would I would give voice to the many people in inner city communities that I have spoken to over the years that adore the cops.
I would I would give voice to people like Mrs. Sweeper, a cancer amputee in the Mount Hope section of the Bronx who told me police Jesus, send more police.
The only time she felt safe to go into her building lobby and pick up her mail was when the police were there because the place was otherwise colonized by teens trespassing, smoking weed and dealing drugs.
There are thousands of you're not supposed to talk about that stuff going on.
That that that's that you start into that and you're gonna have Jesse Jackson on your case.
Look can you hang on just a couple more minutes just a couple more questions here because you're so fascinating and the the data you have is so interesting.
Just a couple more minutes so I got to take a quick break and uh we'll we'll love to great Heather McDonald staying with the program folks will be back after this.
And we welcome back Heather McDonald, author of the war on cops, how the new attack on law and order makes everyone less safe you know where they were chanting in Dallas last night?
Hands up, don't shoot.
Hands up, don't shoot in addition to everything else they were chanting hands up, don't shoot.
Well uh people uh you know want to embrace the lie that makes them feel like they're victimized.
It's just extraordinary things and who's exploiting that who see my my old point you look at something like these events and when you see a beneficiary it's sickening.
When you see people trying to benefit from these really horrible sad these rip the guts out of every American's body when these kinds of things nobody wants to see this, but there are people that profit from it or try to and that makes it even more sickening in a political sense.
Let me quickly run something by you.
Attorney General Lynch, while we were talking in the first half hour did a short short press conference and she said she announced that the Dallas attack will be investigated by the Department of Justice as a hate crime which is noteworthy because it's the first cop killing ever investigated as a hate crime.
What's your interpretation of that well I think uh uh the Obama administration uh maybe having second thoughts about the type of rhetoric that it's been using because i there's no question uh that it is fomenting hatred out there and this is very dangerous stuff.
We're playing with fire rush the degree of racialized rhetoric uh is going to take us back to the 1960s.
Uh I think a lot of people are clueless about the degree of hatred of whites, you know what this gunman said that he was hated white people and hated white cops.
I hear that a lot in the inner city and and we we overlook it.
Uh we don't want to look at it head on but if we continue with this discourse we're gonna get more hate crimes and I I'm glad that Loretta Lynch is willing to to take this on honestly because up to now it's been a completely politically biased uh understanding of who hates whom in this society and and the notion that our main problem here is white hatred of blacks is completely fiction.
We have every elite establishment in this country tying itself into knots to try and admit as many black applicants, students or or employees as possible.
We have gone from a nation of of segregation and and and explicit and invidious and horrible discrimination to true uh willing colorblindness but but there is still a constituency as you say Rush that is committed to division and and we better get a hold of this pretty soon because we could be back to the levels of revolutionary violence that we were seeing in the sixties.
I asked you yesterday in our newsletter interview to comment and I'm gonna ask you here again now on the the the whole uh concept of the Obama Department of Justice I I i I don't know how you describe it uh demanding or establish or forcing federal guidelines on local police departments.
They've done it in over thirty communities now including Ferguson, including Baltimore.
What what is that uh Is it is it based on an assumption local cops don't know what they're doing or that they're not doing it the way Obama wants them to do it and they're being, in a way, threatened with the removal of federal funds if they don't uh accept the consent decrees that are forthcoming here.
What but what's the upshot of it in terms of actual policing?
The upshot is that policing takes the back seat to paper pushing.
There's been no uh administration in recent history that is more anti-law enforcement than the Obama administration.
They have saddled more police departments with these uh crippling consent decrees and federal monitors than any previous administration, in con in keeping with Obama's constant drum beat that cops are racist and treat uh black and white people in identical situations differently.
These consent decrees send in a bunch of DOJ civil rights attorneys that know nothing about policing, uh and they get their hands on a bunch of cop statistics, things like arrest statistics or pedestrian stops, they compare it to population data and conclude that the police are racist because inevitably the police will be making more pedestrian stops of blacks if they are trying to save lives,
because in black communities is where three-year-old children are getting shot to death in drive-by shootings.
So they declare the police department racist and then make them fill out endless forms of data.
They take officers off the beat in order to meet the Justice Department's paper pushing requirements.
Uh the Obama administration is now pushing a concept of implicit bias training on officers across the country.
This is complete folly.
Uh it is based on uh junk science that has been recently completely disproven by a study, extremely sophisticated study out of the University of Washington that found that cops actually hesitate longer uh to decide to shoot armed black suspects than armed white suspects, and are less likely to shoot unarmed black suspects and unarmed white suspects.
This recent study blows apart the uh pre-existing implicit bias, junk science, and yet the Obama administration is now demanding that officers get sent to this training that is a waste of time because officers want good tactical training.
They want help in making those crucial, cruel, uh just anxiety-producing split-second decisions of shoot, don't shoot.
And none of us would be able to to live under that pressure.
They want that training, but implicit bias training, which is what gets foisted on these departments, is a complete waste of time.
Well, pardon me, but it it it it it sounds like uh what's actually happening here is that the Obama administration is presuming that there is racism in all of these police departments and has concocted a mechanism whereby they can prove it, which seem n not really prove it, where they they can claim it, which d is the last thing we want to do.
We want to reduce racial tension.
They're promoting it, it seems like.
What black cops, white cops, they'll all say, I don't care if you're green, purple, or orange, if you're acting in a way to raise my suspicions, I'm gonna stop and question you.
But you're absolutely right, Rush.
The Obama administration starts with the presumption uh that cops are racist.
I just simply refer you to his speech from Poland last night.
He's had to do a complete about face on this.
And it may be too harsh to say as as uh Patrick Lynch in the NYPD said of de Blasio after the assassinations of Wen Jun Liu and Raphael Ramos in December of twenty fourteen by the Black Lives Matter movement.
But what Lynch said of de Blasio that he had blood on his hands, that was a uh incendiary remark, but but Obama's timing was not great last night in in perpetuating the lies of the Black Lives Matter movement that are demonstrably false.
Well, uh I'm I'm hearing people use the word terrorism in association with this incident and some people are are are are describing the uh the shooter as an actual terrorist with within the definition of the word that we use when we're talking about al Qaeda ISIS militant Islam and so forth.
Not that there's a connection here to that, but terrorism in this country usually means that but now people are calling this and it was an act of terror.
I mean there's no denying when you have a military type uh triangulation assassination squad um you know with with the expressed objective as the shooter has has made clear he wanted to kill white cops.
One more question before you go, and that is, with all your studies, I'm sure you've encountered the sociological aspects of much of this.
What role, if any, does economics in the inner city play in all of this?
Very little.
Really?
Criminologists were just chomping at the bit during the 2008 recession, thinking that this would prove their favorite root causes theory of crime, that it is driven by economic need.
need crime continued to drop nationally uh through the recession to the record lows and it was dropping through the first half of 2014 when it made a rapid reverse course and began rising after the Michael Brown hoax in Ferguson, Missouri.
Uh the 60s, 1960s, which was really the nadir of of violent crime, we had a very strong economy.
There is no connection there's people in the inner city today the good, the clean people who completely avoid any involvement with crime they have no involvement with the police because as they tell me I'm a good person, the cops don't stop me.
That is an excuse.
The people that are engaged in these mindless drive-by shootings, the kids in Chicago right now who are responsible for this year's 50 percent increase in shootings uh that are killing four-year-old children they have they have smartphones.
I mean, the teen involvement in smartphone media and social media is a godsend to the police because they can track down all these crews.
But these kids are not exactly hand-to-mouth struggle for subsistence.
And it's not the drug war either.
This is a breakdown of the family that is leading kids without any socialization and any decent role models.
They don't have fathers.
So to say it's an economic process, problem I think is completely false and you have lots of Asian immigrants who are at a much lower income than than many people on welfare and their children are virtually not involved in crime because they have two parents at home that are teaching them academic discipline and respect for authority.
Heather I can't thank you enough you are superb you are excellent and I am very very grateful you had so much time for us today.
Oh Rush thank you listen anybody knows that they would uh this is what one of the greatest opportunities any any author could have and it is a such a privilege thank you so much.
This book is is you've just gotten a little taste of it here, folks, in this short discussion the war on cops, how the attack on law and order makes everybody less safe it's Heather McDonald and thank you again, Ms. McDonald will take a brief time out we'll come back and resume after this so get this I just checked the email during the break and there's the usual snark in there some comments there you go again Rush you're the one politicizing everything.
You're the one blaming the Democrats you're the one claiming a Democrat's benefit I'm not blaming any I'm citing evidence.
I'm producing evidence and citing fact.
There is no question of it.
Take a look at just this incident here.
Can we all agree that the shooter is not a Republican?
We safely assume the shooter is not a Republican.
Could we logically conclude that if the shooter votes, he votes Democrat?
If he votes, can we assume, based on 93% of the African-American vote goes to the Democrat candidate every four years, can we assume that if he votes, he's a Democrat?
not going any further than that.
I'm just a I'm just trying to set up a premise here.
And it is this.
When Al Qaeda, when ISIS, when militant jihadists, when militant Islamists create and perform domestic terrorism, what do the Democrats do?
They blame the gun.
They blame paranoia on the right for describing it as militant Islamic terrorism.
They will not even call it what it is.
Am I wrong to point out that President Obama and the Democrats have sought to blame George W. Bush and Guantanamo Bay and various other aspects of American foreign policy for the existence of Islamic terrorism?
Am I right or am I wrong?
I'm I'm right.
Yet, when this guy what is his name here?
It's uh Micah X Johnson.
When Micah X Johnson commits a massacre of police officers in Dallas, who gets blamed?
Conservatives, Republicans.
Donald Trump for crying out loud, Jesse Jackson and any number of other civil rights activists pop straight up and blame Donald Trump, who just happens to be the presumptive Republican nominee.
Other than that, what in the name of Sam Hill does Donald Trump have to do with any of this?
Absolutely nothing.
And yet, when Democrats murder people with guns, Democrats never blame the gun.
They blame conservatives.
They blame Republicans.
It's astounding.
And people let it happen.
When a movie theater gets blown up in in Colorado, Brian Ross of ABC News, first thing he does is try to find out what?
if the shooter happens to be a member of the Tea Party.
I wonder, did ABC's investigative unit try to find out if Micah X. Johnson is a member of the Tea Party?
Did they try to find out if he's a member of the new Black Panthers?
I guarantee you they didn't.
Did they try to find out if he was a member of Black Lives Matter?
Maybe.
And would they have found anything wrong with that if they did?
Probably not.
So don't tell me in your snarky little emails here that I don't know what I'm talking about.
This is purely politicized.
And there is a political party that seeks to advance its agenda after every one of these.
I'm gonna I've got audio sound bites coming up here from prominent congressional black Caucasians, which will make my point for me.
I want you to listen to Loretta Lynch.
Not only did she say that she's gonna investigate this as a hate crime, and by the way, that just means he's gonna investigate.
We don't know what she's gonna conclude.
She may well conclude it wasn't a hate crime because Black Lives Matter doesn't hate.
Why, they've been commemorated by Barack Obama in an official commemoration ceremony at the White House.
Black Lives Matter to leading members were said by Obama to be better organizers than he ever was.
Here's the first Loretta Lynch soundbite coming up.
Americans across our country are feeling a sense of helplessness, of uncertainty, and of fear.
And these feelings are understandable and they are justified.
But the answer must not be violence.
The answer is never violence.
Rather, the answer, our answer, all our answer, must be action.
Calm, peaceful, collaborative, and determined action.
We must continue working to build trust between communities and law enforcement.
We must continue working to guarantee every person in this country equal justice under the world.
Now wait for it.
But we must take a hard look at the ease with which wrongdoers can get their hands on deadly weapons and the frequency with which they use their sun coming up.
And here's the next Loretta Lynch bite this to those who seek to improve our country through peaceful protest and protected speech, I want you to know that your voice is important.
Do not be discouraged by those who would use your lawful actions as a cover for their heinous violence.
We will continue To safeguard your constitutional rights and to work with you in the difficult mission of building a better nation and a brighter future.
You realize what you And to all Americans, I ask you, I implore you, do not let this week precipitate a new normal in this country.
Well, you guys have defined a bunch of new normals like economic collapse, joblessness.
You realize what she's saying here, we will continue to safeguard your constitutional rights to work with you in the difficult mission of building a better nation of bright.
She's telling you protesters, we will continue to look out for you.
We're going to continue to protect you protesters.
That's what she said.
Heather McDonald made a lot of uh brilliant points.
One of the points I think most interesting to a lot of people was the fact that economics plays no role here.
That rather it's busted families, no role models.
It's the same thing the left says about well, terrorists become terrorists because uh we've we've zapped their economies, you know.
We've we've zapped their resources.
That's bogus, too.
Anyway, quick time out, your calls are next.
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